the-wan-show

[wicked shard]

They are going to try to claim fair use

[woeful crescent]

Also she posted it yesterday, so not surprised nothing happened over Christmas, or will likey happen today either.. if ever.. how long did it take LMG to get off Anker's site? lol

[wicked shard]

They capture all their images on a mac

[wicked shard]

I don't know if Anker ever did :P

[woeful crescent]

I think someone said it was removed a few weeks ago

I haven't looked myself lol

[wicked shard]

Getting in bed with them was one big Eufy of a mistake

[woeful crescent]

Its funny cause Linus still likes Anker, and calls them out for the power stuff.. he just dropped them because of the Eufy stuff..

[wicked shard]

If you buy one of their products and you like it, then it is easy to talk about that one specific product

But they made it clear they won't police themselves

The excuses they threw out were unbelievably bad

[woeful crescent]

Yep which is basically what Linus has done.. he keeps saying "We dropped them as a sponsor because of this shit, BUT I still love using X."

[wicked shard]

Sometimes you may find a Belkin product on sale that for that price point was actually worth getting

as a brand, they stopped providing value a long time ago

[woeful crescent]

Yep I got a Belkin power bar I still use, was my main one till this month when I changed my desk and switched to stuff with MCM

Also I had an old USB Hub that was amazing.. but it was 2.0, its days are long gone..

[wicked shard]

I have a non-established brand USB hub with 16 ports that is 3.0

it has been working fine so far

I like that it uses external power

There is also buttons to choose which ports are powered up

[woeful crescent]

Ya I got some random one that was well reviewed on amazon and mounted it under the back of my desk.. external power and detachable usb cord were a must..

[wicked shard]

yes, this has a USB-B 3.0 detachable cord

and a barrel power port

I would like to see one that has USB-C power in and USB-C data-in

[woeful crescent]

Then run a USB cable from the data data in port to the power port.. infinite power.

[wicked shard]

yes, that is exactly how power works

can we place bets on how long it is until Paypal changes the official name of Paypal Honey back to just Honey without the Paypal in front?

[woeful crescent]

I could see Google and such removing the extension outright..

[wicked shard]

Have they violated their stated privacy policy?

I don't think Google will take any action

I think the EU will come down on Google for privacy policy violations and Google is trying to minimize that risk

[woeful crescent]

Donno.. but Google doesn't always care.. but I could see Google doing it for PR, plus its hurting their creators on youtube and such with their afil links.. end of the day Google is gonna do whatever they want cause unless you're Tim Sweeney, no one really calls them on it :p

[wicked shard]

Other than that, I don't think Google cares about their extension "store"

[woeful crescent]

Oh I think Google would have a field day with the EU going after them for removing the Honey extension thats stealing referrals :p If anything it would make them look "pro" consumer/creator, anti being shady as fuck..

Either way I doubt anything happens till more mainstream press picks up the story and runs with it

[wicked shard]

What upsets me more is Mozilla Firefox add-ons site just puts:

This add-on is not actively monitored for security by Mozilla. Make sure you trust it before installing.

Trust it how exactly Mozilla? It isn't like they make it easy to read the source code. What happened to the Mozilla manifesto that the web should be open and safe and ...

[woeful crescent]

Big question can also be, has Honey violated any of the referral programs they use to get THEIR referral code by doing this.. Could see someone like Amazon going after them for that if there is anything in that policy about how the referals are supposed to operate.. (could also see no one thinking this far ahead and not having any language about it)

[wicked shard]

Google and Mozilla should switch to just user-scripts like those used by the Greasemonkey script

in which the extension vendor must supply the full source code for all to view

[wicked shard]

I think Paypal has built up enough different things over time for the FTC to open an investigation but ultimately I don't see anything really coming from it

Maybe there is a fine that hits them like a wet noodle

I guess Amazon could pull Honey's referral code

if Amazon, Walmart and Costco all did it that might have enough of an impact to devalue the extension

[woeful crescent]

Oh I 95% assume that if it doesn't currently violate any rules, amazon is gonna update the rules and pull it.. Possibly other sites, espcially ones who deal with a lot of creators making an issue out of it

[wicked shard]

But is the devaluing Amazon's referal program enough for Amazon to care?

[woeful crescent]

If I was Amazon I'd be keeping the people actually making content that sends them there with a referal, over an extension that does nothing except steal that credit.

[wicked shard]

Amazon has fired a lot of the staff that maintained/expanded FireOS. They still sell products that run FireOS but now with less people working to respond to security exploits and other issues.

I don't think Amazon is the hero in the story.

They are trying to move to codename Vega which should be easier to maintain.

But they aren't there yet

And they should have an obligation with the graphic driver has a critical exploit (an actual issue that came up) to be responsive and get an update pushed out quickly

Keeping "people" doesn't seem to be something Amazon is good at

Oh, they also put out demands for a return to offices which doesn't have enough chairs for everyone

So working for Amazon sounds like it might be a childrens game of music chairs?

[tiny nimbus]

I guess now this video’s out they might mention it on the show this week https://youtu.be/nmNzEf7dXsw

[tender prism]

Ohhh new video just an hour ago. Did they talk about Honey in this?

[tiny nimbus]

No chapter markers and I can’t be bothered scrolling through the transcript so dunno. I’m holding off on watching it until tomorrow because sleep is more important

[tender prism]

Sounds good. I'll skip through the video

[brittle moon]

the word "honey" does not appear in the transcript

and why would it - this was probably recorded a while ago

[frosty spire]

well, in the first few minutes, Linus calls out the apology and plan from a year ago and says "we made a commitment to our audience a little over a year ago that we were just going to
8:45
take a harder line on if something's not quite ready just push it just push it
8:50
and we've held to that"

[tiny nimbus]

Yeah, Colin and Samir have good editors but not good enough to turn a 2+ hour interview video around in less than three days

[frosty spire]

pretty clear he's saying that was about their testing and production

[brittle moon]

also something like this wouldnt make sense to be "addressed" on another person's video. They'll probably talk about it tomorrow on wan, just be patient yall

[tiny nimbus]

On a related note I wish more interview videos would have a “filmed on [date]” tag

[frosty spire]

absolutely, that would be a fantastic thing in some cases, but i think in others it may drive viewership down

[glossy latch]

WAN’s not tomorrow, it’s monday?

[brittle moon]

no, today is thursday

[tiny nimbus]

Cheer up, at least tomorrow’s Sunday

[woeful crescent]

Only 363 shopping days left till Christmas.

[frosty spire]

only 309 days till halloween!!!

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-halloween-mayor-the-nightmare-before-christmas-everybodys-waiting-for-the-next-surprise-gif-15367571

[woeful crescent]

I have a plush jack o'lantern that I just change hats on depending on the season.. Santa hat atm, then Toque for the rest of winter 🙂

[frosty spire]

ooh, thats a good idea

[woeful crescent]

Mostly its cause I'm lazy and don't wanna put it away

[frosty spire]

i'm right there with you. i would definitely decorate in very tim burtonesque style for every day of the year cause my wife also likes the aesthetic, but yeah, changing it out for holidays is a pain, so you have a fantastic idea 🙂

[slim tundra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmNzEf7dXsw

[restive rain]

was posted a few messages up

[frosty spire]

well, now everyone hast to post it for the next 10 minutes 😛

[woeful crescent]

One thing that I think will come up watching this video, re:honey, is Linus talking about how much they make via affiliate..

Also, thanks Linus for leaving Colton out to hand, trying to move the sponsor spots and such and make them less skippable.. it all becomes clear about how he was the one behind enabling ads on Twitch

[tiny nimbus]

It’s not exactly a secret, although I don’t think we’ll see another “how LMG makes money” video any time soon

[woeful crescent]

I mean Linus did pull out the 2020 chart and tell them how its changed..

So its fairly clear to me.. merch and floatplane being the big winners..

[brittle moon]

early wan tomorrow

wan is (supposed) to start at <t:1735333200:t> tomorrow

[woeful crescent]

boo

[woeful crescent]

BOO

[plain aurora]

cool i can listen in on my 2 and a half hour journey

[tiny nimbus]

Yaaaaaay I can nap in the afternoon and still not get to go to sleep until 3am Saturday

[woeful crescent]

Would lol if its delayed till its normal start time..

[lament galleon]

WAN is always on time

[wicked shard]

Found something interesting on LTT forums

https://linustechtips.com/topic/967208-about-honey-the-add-on/

Posted September 1, 2018

Honey get money from the retailers to save you less money than you might actually be able to save on your own.

This theory is further confirmed by the fact that most codes honey tries (that flash for less than a second) have "HONEY" in them, so they mostly try their own codes ...

That whole thing is just very antycompetative for my taste so I've long parted ways with this lying SOB of an addon, just in the off chance they do actually track everything. I'd much rather google my own codes and save my own money.

[lament galleon]

I stopped using honey years ago for exactly that reason - it's terrible.

[wicked shard]

Yes, but one of the moderator push back items is there was no way for Colton to know it was anti-consumer and LMG depends on viewers to notify LMG when sposors behave badly

[lament galleon]

It only works on the biggest retail sites, and even then googling "<site name> coupon code" usually gets the same or better results.

[wicked shard]

This post is it. LMG was told that Honey didn't provide the "best" savings coupon.

It still slipped through the cracks.

Dolton never had a cronjob watching for posts about Honey on their own forum

Ironic statement of the day:

This thread is quite old. Please consider starting a new thread rather than reviving this one.

Yeah! No kidding!!!!

[lament galleon]

That'd be cool if the forums flagged discussions about sponsors in normal threads. (Stupid, to be clear, but cool.)

[wicked shard]

I'm not even trying to post anything, just viewing the thread

Dolton tried to make clear in the August 2023 apology that the LMG Sponsor Discussion sub-forum is the right place to discuss this

and this 2018 post wasn't posted there

but I think it is unrealistic to expect everyone to know about that

I still would have put a cronjob to do a weekly report in which sponsorship names come up on the company's own forum

and maybe the sub-reddit as well

but reddit has gone anti-API so maybe not?

I wouldn't pay the reddit API fees for it

I will have to think more about the reddit part, sorry

But the Sept 2018 post was on LTT's own forum

[lament galleon]

While it'd be nice, I think that's a pretty unrealistic ask.

They're strained for workload in areas already, who's gonna pour over random forum posts once a week to see if someone talks negatively about a sponsor and then spend time tracking that down? The community can hold them accountable easily by properly utilizing the sponsor discussion space.

Maybe it could be an AI thing, that would line up with its strengths, but again, there's a cost/dev/maintenance ask there, when all we have to do as a community is complain when there's a problem.

(Not that that couldn't fall on deaf ears, but I think it's a far more reasonable request that they take seriously formal sponsor complaints in the correct location than that they magically find the time to stalk sentiment for all their sponsors across multiple platforms at all times.)

[wicked shard]

I thought the primary point to be taken away from August 2023 was if being over worked results in more errors they they are willing to cut back on speed of tasks to be able to do things right?

[lament galleon]

There's a difference between cutting back to keep up with work they take on and asking them to comb their forums constantly for any signs of potential issues.

We have a place to submit issues with sponsors, and I personally think that checking that forum clearly falls under the scope of responsibility they've taken on to maintain accountability (and I think it can maintain accountability if used properly), whereas combing the forums for hypothetical (not necessarily articulated) issues to be frank seems like a waste of their time.

[wicked shard]

Comb? They have several unpaid volunteers combing their forums already! Just let them flag it if they can't figure out how to make a cronjob to automate it.

I have yet to see any of the LTT forum moderators identify themselves as also being LMG staff

The level of dedication the moderators have shown in the LTT forum thread on Honey is amazing

[lament galleon]

Mods flagging stuff is one thing, pulling every mention of 'good standing' LTT sponsors and dedicating time to investigate random comments is another.

[wicked shard]

Then give the mods access to mod tools/APIs

Both of us know how to speak SQL, right?

At the end of the day, how hard is it to monitor a forum for keywords?

[lament galleon]

All my love to the mods for what they do, and anything they could do in this type of situation, but we have a solution for sponsor issues in creating a post explaining the issue. If the mods see stuff and flag it that's obviously a win too.

[wicked shard]

I have written anti-spam extensions to do keyword monitoring in real-time

And that involved using the PHP!

https://tenor.com/view/apocalypsenow-horror-gif-4763006

What is Invision Community written in? You ever heard of it?

[lament galleon]

It's not just about that though. That's of course quite easy, but what do you do with those comments? Every time someone makes an offhanded comment about not liking a sponsor for reason X they have to go do research to find out if that's a legitimate issue and if the sponsor is handling it correctly? If there's a way to do that, whether it be employee, mods, automation, great, I'm all for improving the system and having sponsor transparency. I just think we have a quite functional system in place already.

At no point have I been doing anything more than speculating. I don't know the scale of comments like that, or if they could reasonably track them all down.

[crude sandal]

They volunteer to moderate. Not spend all their time doing this shit too. They have lives and jobs.

[wicked shard]

Yes, you generate weekly reports and have an intern or volunteer that is willing to look through those reports rule out the false positives and report back the ones that need to be escalated

[wicked shard]

I understand having real jobs

[lament galleon]

That'd be nice. I bet if you exposed those reports someone would even geek out creating some sort of automation to rank legitimacy of complaints. Holding that I'd love to see that, I also don't expect it and think of it as a 'nice to have' personally.

[wicked shard]

Ok, lets say doing weekly reports or monthly reports is unrealistic. But how about this, before getting on a video in August 2023 to make a passionate statement about handling sponsorships better in terms of accountability and community, use that one time moment to dot the i's and cross the t's and do a search of the forums for all sponsorship that are known to have had a problem?

Was an one time search at that one moment in time too much to ask?

I could do it for free

[random trout]

Excellent! Then go for it - perform a search, compile the data, and send it to LMG. 🙂

[wicked shard]

Invasion Community seems to be Software as a Service but there is an API

[wicked shard]

Great, if Dolton reaches out to me and offers me an API key, I will get right on automating the draft reports and do manual reviews of them

Where do I find a listing of all of LMGs Sponsorships?

Both current and past?

[lament galleon]

I think you should, and then post it to the sponsor discussions section as an issue. That's kinda my point. We have a community-driven space for bringing these up to them. They're not intentionally ignoring complaints, they just have millions of viewers posting across many platforms who may be aware of an issue, and having a central place to look for those takes it from finding a needle in a haystack to having straightforward claims to verify.

[lament galleon]

I think this exists, I'll try to find it.

[wicked shard]

I never said they intentionally ignored it. I have been saying they made a very passionate apology about doing better and the follow through has been ... discouraging? Maybe even demoralizing?

I am not sure what word I want to end that with

I will get back to you

[lament galleon]

This might be it? https://storefront.throne.com/linusmediagroup/sponsors-affiliates-partners

[wicked shard]

Nice! Great find.

[lament galleon]

I can't promise that's up to date, but I found it in a pinned post and it seems to be accurate from a quick glance.

[wicked shard]

Again, it would be nice to have Dolton reach out to confirm that

ifixit is a sponsor!! Please make the LTT screwdriver compatible with the bits!! :(

[lament galleon]

Well idk if calling him "Dolton" will make that more likely 😂

[wicked shard]

Am I miss spelling? :(

[lament galleon]

That's definitely not accurate, unfortunately someone over there took the precision screwdriver thing a bit too seriously...

[wicked shard]

oh my gosh

Colton

Disregard everything else I said

[lament galleon]

I thought it was on purpose ngl XD

[wicked shard]

What???

No.

Sheesh

[lament galleon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wicked shard]

Can there be an adapter?

[lament galleon]

Hanlon's Razor moment

(not calling you incompetent lol)

[lament galleon]

The bits should be compatible

[wicked shard]

If the shoe fits then put foot in it?

[wicked shard]

I have been told they aren't

[lament galleon]

I mean their sponsorship is no longer accurate. Ifixit stopped working with LTT after the precision launch.

[wicked shard]

Otherwise I would have jumped on getting it

[wicked shard]

Oh

I see

[lament galleon]

Unless I'm misinformed, they have the same connection point just the bits are shorter on the actual bit end. So they'll work they're just a little different.

If someone from LTT said something contradictory to that I'd trust it over what I've heard.

I have the precision driver, but unfortunately no ifixit bits to test it.

[wicked shard]

Oh, I didn't know about the "precision driver"

I don't care about that

I want to use the bits with the original

The ratching screw driver

I am not sure if I am being clear on what I am asking :(

[lament galleon]

Oh, yeah the normal driver has just standard screwdriver bits (I don't know what size exactly that is), but they're half height. So they're compatible with the industry standard bits for that form factor, they just fit half as many in the handle (6 vs 12).

[pastel garden]

You can

Ifixit kit has an adapter

[wicked shard]

Ok

I was told something else on this discord before when I asked

maybe the adapter is new?

it was a long time ago when I asked

[lament galleon]

Adapting from what to what? The LTT bits are a standard size for that type of screwdriver (not counting the half-height thing, which shouldn't affect anything).

[wicked shard]

Adapting the ifixit precision screwdriver bits to the LTT ratching screwdriver

[lament galleon]

ohhhh

Yeah, if they make that that's cool, though I'm sure it already existed too (precision bits and normal bits have standard sizes). But now LTT has their own precision driver too ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Like you can put a precision bit in a normal driver, but you definitely lose some "precision" lol

[wicked shard]

Oh, I just already own the ifixit bits.

I don't think the LTT one existed when I got it

[lament galleon]

No yeah, definitely not hating on the use case.

Just a bit of an edge case lmao

[wicked shard]

Jeff Geerling seems to do a good comparison

[wicked shard]

Yes, it is an edge case

He is comparing which fidget spinner goes longer??

[lament galleon]

The LTT precision driver has a free-spinning endcap advertised for its fidget-spinning capability XD

[wicked shard]

because your build is taking so long to POST?

[lament galleon]

probably lmao

(Actually just a case of Linus-led development)

He saw the opportunity and said 'yes, we will put fancy bearing in this so it spin forever'.

[wicked shard]

he seems to be missing the biggest reason to have a spinner on top in his review

I would want it for when a screw is cross threaded in and stuck

and I have to press down but still be able to turn the screw driver

I have also had times in which the motherboard standoff is unscrewing instead of the screw in the stand off and it is nice to press down on the top of the screw driver while turning

[lament galleon]

Well that's like, what the feature is actually for. Many precision drivers have spinning endcaps. The fancy bearing to make it a fidget toy is just an added bonus they threw in.

[wicked shard]

Yeah, referring to it as a fidget toy feels weird to me

This isn't one of Jeff Geerling best videos :P

[lament galleon]

Linus does, as does the product description.

[wicked shard]

he does a better job discussing RPi :p

[lament galleon]

It may be a case of the context being lost to people who don't religiously watch WAN lol

[wicked shard]

I look forward to his perpetual motion patent :P

[lament galleon]

Perpetual Motion Machine (PMM), coming . Support us on kickstarter today for only 1,337 Lincoin!

[wicked shard]

I rather fund JetKVM :P

[lament galleon]

Clearly a rugpull, support this instead

[wicked shard]

Oh gosh, I hope not

[lament galleon]

I'm kidding

[wicked shard]

the Matchstick kickstarter was such a disappointment

[lament galleon]

Idk how it failed with all 40,000 floatplane users being on Firefox.

[wicked shard]

Google refused to license Widevine to them

they would NEVER have any official commercial streams on it like Netflix

[lament galleon]

[wicked shard]

at around $25 per stick it was loss leader

it was getting the big players involved that they were going to get the continued funding

but no Widevine DRM, no big players!

[lament galleon]

this is why I just plug a computer into my tv lol

[wicked shard]

and the business model tanks before it starts

[lament galleon]

Linux ftw

[wicked shard]

It was also linux

[lament galleon]

no ik

[wicked shard]

At this point, it seems like number of linux devices must exceed number of windows device?

even if you still include all the ATMs with Windows CE

Even on Azure, Linux distros are winning the VM "war"

[lament galleon]

I'm sure someone has the actual answer, beyond my speculation. But I'd say it probably has for a long time, though more things may run windows than you think.

Like, some cash registers are just pcs running windows XP or wtv.

[wicked shard]

like ... Crowdstrike? :P

[lament galleon]

But with all the cloud computing and embedded systems everywhere I assume linux knocks windows out of the water.

[lament galleon]

lmao

[wicked shard]

they got knocked out of the water a long time ago:
https://agile4life.blog/2018/07/16/sailing-with-linux-nmea-gpsd-iridium/

Windows didn't do well in water:
https://www.wired.com/1998/07/sunk-by-windows-nt/

[lament galleon]

I mean, I found their problem right there.

They tried running Windows NT 😂

[wicked shard]

It was the latest

[lament galleon]

Oh, that's an old article lmao

[wicked shard]

I think SP3 or SP4 was already out by 1998?

[lament galleon]

Still, Windows

[wicked shard]

Yeah

Should have used OS/2 Warp

[lament galleon]

Not that Linux doesn't have its issues

but there's a reason they use it for embedded applications

[wicked shard]

The Windows file system isn't killer?

[lament galleon]

[wicked shard]

Too soon for Reiserfs jokes?

[lament galleon]

heh

[flint moss]

So what's up with honey in the forums? give me a tl;dr?

Are they censoring it in the name of "we'll investigate" or what's up?

[wicked shard]

I haven't seen any censoring. Posts must be kept on-topic.

[olive bronze]

Anyone know a wan show time?

[wicked shard]

I think you just got RTFM'd :P

It is at 1am UTC on Saturday (Pacific Standard Time is GMT-8)

[inner idol]

https://gamerant.com/cartoon-network-games-delisting/
https://www.polygon.com/gaming/501567/cartoon-network-games-delisted-steam-nintendo
Warner Bros. Discovery is treating the Cartoon Network & Adult Swim games on Steam and Nintendo eShop like they're movies & TV shows on Max.
Delisting en mass (?) like the residual & tax write-offs of August 2022.

😦

[wicked shard]

I don't think they had a choice

They no longer had a license

[inner idol]

David Zaslav being David Zaslav, I guess

I mean, these are games based on IPs they own, published by WB's own units--Cartoon Network Games and Adult Swim Games

[wicked shard]

Just because they own the characters doesn't mean the control the license for the entire game

BBC delisted some Dr Who games a while back

[inner idol]

True, but I don't think they published the Doctor Who games that they delisted

Whereas WB did publish the games that they have delisted earlier this week

[wicked shard]

Previously they listed some of them for free on the iPlayer platform that you need an UK ip address to access

[inner idol]

Ah...
I guess they wanted to compete with Netflix's foray into gaming?

[wicked shard]

I think it was the other way around

[inner idol]

The BBC was ahead of Netflix... huh.

Strange, but interesting.

[wicked shard]

Nintendo didn't own the characters from Doki Doki Panic, the tv station in Japan did. So they replaced the characters for the USA release of the game

[inner idol]

Fuji TV, IIRC, but yeah

They then also released that game--named Super Mario Bros. 2--as Super Mario Bros. USA in Japan a few years later

[wicked shard]

Maybe the game developers could also replace the WB characters

[wicked shard]

Yeah, I knew it got some americanized name of some sort

[inner idol]

Doubt it, but for the Steven Universe, OK, K.O.!, Samurai Jack, and Adventure Time games, they're too big & complex to be given a Super Mario Bros. 2-style reworking, since these games are not tiny CartoonNetwork.com-type Flash games that can be reskinned.

[wicked shard]

Did the Adventure Time games have the voice of Bender?

[inner idol]

Yes, John DiMaggio as Jake the Dog

I suspect that this isn't a case of licensing royalties, but residual royalties, since this is Warner Bros. Discovery we're dealing with.

[wicked shard]

Oh cool

[inner idol]

Royalties to cast & crew do play a part, but it also applies to the source material as well

[wicked shard]

I thought Warner Brothers died and Warner Media was born?

under AT&T

[inner idol]

Time Warner was rebranded as WarnerMedia under AT&T in 2018, and then merged with Discovery Inc. in 2022 to form Warner Bros. Discovery

[wicked shard]

Ok... that isn't confusing at all

[inner idol]

Kinda odd that WB never had a Discovery Games label for tie-ins to some Discovery IPs

[wicked shard]

It could have been worse, AT&T could have fired everyone working at DC comics

[inner idol]

I mean, Mad Magazine did end under AT&T in 2019

at least for new issues

They still print "greatest hits" type of issues these days

When you look into the rabbit hole that is Warner Bros. Discovery and its history, it gets rather hairy.

[wicked shard]

The can do that with a skeleton stuff

[wicked shard]

Matrix reference?

[inner idol]

Reloaded and Revolutions did come out during the end of the disastrous AOL Time Warner era, but the referencing was NOT intentional

[wicked shard]

I like that Matrix 4 attacked WB management in the movie itself

[inner idol]

Space Jam: A New Legacy was also self-aware that same year in 2021

I guess Ready Player One was unintentionally referencing Warner Communications' era of owning Atari by featuring Adventure in it

Atari under Warner was okay, but was falling apart by the early-to-mid 80s

[wicked shard]

It was weird how HBO Now/Go and the MAX pushed West World as reward winning and then Discovery is just like "put that on the chopping block to be a tax write off!"

[inner idol]

Warner technically contributed partly to the video game crash of '83

[inner idol]

along with many, many Cartoon Network & Adult Swim programs as well

[wicked shard]

I thought the reference was based on the book?

[inner idol]

Definitely, but it was an unintentional coincidence

I'm sure the author didn't expect Warner Bros. to buy the movie rights when referencing the Warner-era Atari game Adventure

and wasn't aware of the link between the two either

at least not in this way

[wicked shard]

Oh, the MOS Tech 6507 processor

so beautiful in the simplicity

[inner idol]

mhm

funnily enough, the same MOS that Commodore would acquire, which led to the development of the PET

and Commodore's founder Jack Tramiel would buy part of Atari from Warner in 1985

with Atari's Jay Miner eventually leading Commodore's Amiga project

[wicked shard]

Next you are going to claim the VIC-20 used the 6502? :P

C64 with 6510?

[inner idol]

I mean, the PET did start the chain reaction

the Amiga bucked the trend with Motorola chips

but so did the Atari ST

[wicked shard]

but Atari 400 and Atari 800 was 6502

[inner idol]

True, but that might've been... well, the MOS chips were still an industry standard, and Commodore was open to licensing in a way that MOS' biggest competitor--Texas Instruments--was not

I think

[wicked shard]

there is just something so cool about a processor that is 3510 transistors

[inner idol]

Commodore used to use TI chips in their calculators in the 70s prior to partnering with, and then acquiring MOS

[wicked shard]

It was also jarring how much more the 6502 did with 3510 transistors than the 4004 did with 2300 transistors

the jump in capability

[inner idol]

the Intel 4004 vs the MOS 6502 almost reminds me of Apple's blurbs about PowerPC vs. Pentium chips in the 90s

[wicked shard]

The tanks?

[inner idol]

Not just the G4

even the 90s PowerPC CPUs prior to the G3

Pentium used CISC architecture, whereas PowerPC used RISC

[wicked shard]

Oh, I thought you were talking about the ITAR export restrictions ad

[inner idol]

I think that was for the Power Mac G4 IIRC

[wicked shard]

I think once you get to the pentium 3 it is risc internally and then the firmware provides the cisc opcodes?

[inner idol]

Probably

[wicked shard]

or maybe even the pentium pro

[inner idol]

Apple optimized their software to the hardware in a way most Windows PCs couldn't easily match at the time

or at least they boasted about it a ton in the 90s

[wicked shard]

Funniest thing about PPC is the Xbox 360 developer console was originally just a Mac when work first started at Microsoft

[inner idol]

I bet that explains part of the overheating that led to the Red Ring of Death

the PowerPC chip in the Power Mac & iMac G5 was said to have similarly bad heat problems to both that and even some of Intel's Pentium 4 incarnations

Prescott was often nicknamed "Preshott" because of that issue with that chipset of P4

[wicked shard]

The RS/6000 didn't seem to have any problems that caused the PPC to overheat :P

[inner idol]

Maybe because it was built differently or units with RS/6000s were designed to accomodate any inherent issues they might have

or they were better designed, idk

I know Apple skipped the G5 when they did the PowerBook laptops

[wicked shard]

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-a1x7hg2jgk/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/13084/297207/IBM-RS-6000-P25C-135MHZ-Server-2GB-RAM-2-45GB-HDD-7013-595_74373__75537.1707610122.jpg?c=2?imbypass=on

Yeah, maybe :P

Apple/Microsoft just didn't use enough cast iron in their design

[inner idol]

or most PC OEMs

IBM did use more cast iron in comparison

and if Apple did use cast iron, it would've been in other 90s-era units

[wicked shard]

That RS/6000 was 90's

[inner idol]

the Power Mac G5 did use aluminimum, which became an Apple staple well into the 2020s in some way, shape or form, but the iMac G5 did not

[inner idol]

yep

[wicked shard]

And the Apple Pippin? :P

[inner idol]

Pippin had a plastic exterior, I think

[wicked shard]

I have never seen a Pippin in person

[inner idol]

aluminimum was mostly in the chassis and casing of the later Macs

[wicked shard]

but I was told they really existed

[inner idol]

the Pippin was probably built similarly to the Macs of the era

[wicked shard]

It was easier to find someone with a NeXT cube

[tiny nimbus]

I am not the channel police but when did this turn into #tech-chat-3

[wicked shard]

I don't know

should we go there?

tech-chat-2 seems dead

[inner idol]

I think it got derailed with The Matrix and Ready Player One when I mentioned how Warner Bros. Discovery (as in, all incarnations of Time Warner, WarnerMedia, etc.) has had a pretty shaky history, because of me mentioning the recent delisting of Warner-published games based on Cartoon Network and Adult Swim IPs that Warner owns.

[inner idol]

this

To tie back into Apple without this turning into tech-chat-3,
Steve Jobs used to have a stint at Atari at one point.
The same Atari that was also part of Warner in some form from 77 to 94-ish

Anyways... back on track.

[spice oak]

should there be a #tech-chat-3?

[frosty spire]

that processor was also at the time more powerful than anything you could buy to put in a computer(it wasn't for long, but it was when the 360 first released)

[wicked shard]

That would be yet another channel the mods would have to watch. I am not sure.

jc seem to think we were loitering so I move to tech-chat-2

[tiny nimbus]

https://www.theverge.com/2024/12/27/24326278/nintendo-fake-takedowns-youtube-domtendo-dmca

[wicked shard]

There is plenty of things Alphabet could do to reduce the impact of fake takedown, they just don't seem interested in doing that

[rustic ingot]

1pm today right?

[tiny nimbus]

Start time two hours from now, with the usual caveat https://whenplane.com

[rustic ingot]

It’s been on time like, what, maybe 20 times in a decade?

More lately it seems

[tiny mauve]

Seeing as it's an earlier one today, it probably won't be very late, if at all.

[wicked shard]

Do we need to worry about if the door plug is correctly bloated or will an Airbus be provided?

[wicked shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um5KYud9PMg&t=15s

[tiny nimbus]

The last super-early WAN Show we got was still 16 minutes late

[rustic ingot]

Is a thing late that has never been on time? It’s like the tree falling in the forest paradox

[wicked shard]

Oh, I think I know this one! If a creeper blows up a tree in a forest then does the runtime garbage collector make a sound?

[tiny nimbus]

I have 1h25m left on the Colin & Samir interview so I don’t expect the ore-show to start before the end

[wicked shard]

Whenplane has a github and you didn't tell us?

[tiny nimbus]

Oh Dan said in FP chat start time’s been pushed back to <t:1735340400:t>, RIP

[brittle moon]

https://images.ajg0702.us/dan-3.5-hr.png

[tiny nimbus]

ty for sharing (and updating whenplane)

[brittle moon]

yw 🙂

[tiny nimbus]

I’ll maybe watch live until announcements then go to sleep, can’t imagine there’s anything worth staying up for

[frail flicker]

5pm PST?

[tiny nimbus]

Currently closer to 3pm PST this week

[frail flicker]

ok, 3pm PST - 5pm CST, got it

[sick bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/noooo-star-wars-darth-vader-gif-8348766

[brittle moon]

this is converted to your timezone 😉

[slim plover]

when is the show going to start?

[brittle moon]

see the above message

[slim plover]

no i mean its past that time

[brittle moon]

no its not

[slim plover]

they are late!

[brittle moon]

its currently 1:13 pst. theyre supposed to start 3pm pst
1 < 3

[tiny nimbus]

Welcome in - was supposed to be a 1pm PST start time (so around about now) but producer Dan posted to say start time was pushed to 3pm PST (a couple of hours from now). May I recommend you keep an eye on https://whenplane.com

[slim plover]

no....it was V

1pm PST

[slim plover]

ahh, this sucks!

[tiny nimbus]

Sucks more when they start at the usual time (so well after midnight in my time zone) 🙃

[slim plover]

its already past midnight in my time zone

its almost 3 AM

[olive bronze]

lightweight

[tiny nimbus]

Do you normally watch on demand after the fact?

[olive bronze]

what is it they say.... you can sleep when you're dead

[tiny nimbus]

They normally finish the show around 6:30am my time so I’ll just wake up on Saturday morning and start my day with it

[slim plover]

i have a pending assignment to be done by tomorrow and a test to prepare but i am here waiting for wan show to start

[tiny nimbus]

You have at least 90 minutes of work time starting now

[slim plover]

yesterday i was completing my assignment while listening to the wan show coz i got nothing better to do

its not as boring to write for 3 straight hours when you are listening to a podcast

[olive bronze]

if you were given money for christmas, what did you buy with it

[slim plover]

most probably an NVME for my potato.

[olive bronze]

sweet or idaho?

[slim plover]

??

[olive bronze]

potato

[slim plover]

i...i..got nothing to say right now

[fallow nova]

WEN WAN SHOW?!?!

[brittle moon]

<t:1735340400:R>

[fallow nova]

From Idaho, never seen this kind of potato, so it's probably a sweet

[fallow nova]

Your the whenplane guy right?

[brittle moon]

yeah

[fallow nova]

I was wondering does your lttstore tracker have any sort of data on roughly what sort of revenue lttstore does (i know with shipping and stuff that's kind of difficult) but even like raw merchandise revenue?

[brittle moon]

i mean theorhetically i could do that by multiplying how much the stock decreases times the listed price, but eh

[fallow nova]

Just vaguely interested if you had the raw numbers

[brittle moon]

nah all i have is the stock

[fallow nova]

Do you have an easy way to export all the stock data or is that a pain too?

[brittle moon]

all i can do is check the current stock. my site then saves that so it can display the graph over time

[fallow nova]

Ok, i might just do it manually over a few hours

[brittle moon]

title and thumbnail!

I Have To Address This On My Own?? - WAN Show December 27, 2024

[wicked shard]

hopefully Colton or Terren appear on the show this time

[slim plover]

woo hooo

[random trout]

Hot damn. I won't be able to watch the WAN show live today, but I think I already know where they're going with that thumbnail image. 😄

[brittle moon]

yeahhhh 😄

[frosty spire]

clearly they are going to address the current trend of switching from High Fructose Corn Syrup to Cane Sugar in sodas 🙂

[random trout]

Absolutely. And hopefully will callout how "big sugar, inc." or "big food additives, inc." are deciving consumers by using "overly complex" names for ingredients that are more or less the exact same thing when broken down. HOW DARE THEY! 🤣

[plain aurora]

In their t shirts

Sounds like half my syrups for my soda stream

Also have you seen what is in gluten free bread? A whole bunch of ingredients

[frosty spire]

oh yeah, soda stream irritated me. they went to all artificial sweeteners for everything. drives me nuts, a lot of em just taste like chemicals

[sleek kayak]

wasnt the wan show suppose to be early?

[frosty spire]

of course, they did it just after my return window for the soda stream machine i bought closed 😛

[random trout]

😮 Gluten free bread?!? The blasphemy! What's next; dairy free milk and cheese?!? If I find out I've been lied to this whole time (despite the fact that I could've performed my own research to uncover the truth) I'm going to call... uh... someone!

[random trout]

[plain aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/barnyard-otis-wrong-number-wrong-phone-number-phone-call-gif-22826253

[plain aurora]

I’m just gluten free due to my body saying I’m going to war over it, however the amount of stuff I have that also contains no x y and x is amazing

I think the bread is dairy and gluten free but not egg free but the wraps are egg free but not dairy

[wicked shard]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegan_cheese

https://tenor.com/view/et-ouais-j-arrive-who-you-gonna-call-ghostbusters-dancing-gif-17371446

[teal aspen]

I think the website is a visual glitch

it was supposed to say vegan cheese doesn't exist

[wicked shard]

Could be

[teal aspen]

it's a conspiracy by big vegan

[wicked shard]

might be a wiki-eality

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-there-is-no-spoon-talking-kid-gif-17690655

[plain aurora]

I haven’t had one that I liked

[rare tartan]

Hahahahahahahahaha

[plain aurora]

Told my doctor that if there was no long term effects on eating dairy for me I’m going to continue. Coeliac is already limited enough

[wicked shard]

I find almond milk works better for coffee

[plain aurora]

I often bake dairy free gluten free and use almond milk

Got some diary intolerant friends

[molten hound]

Lmfao at the idea of the show being early

[inner idol]

I'm even checking the YT and Twitch to see if it has started

I'm guessing early was delayed to nearly normal WAN hours?

[novel cedar]

YouTube says 6:30pm EST for me

[brittle moon]

theyre starting on youtube in a min

[novel cedar]

Op

Nvm

Just got a twitch notification

[brittle moon]

linus is leaving at 6

[olive bronze]

go go go

[inner idol]

Does he look at Discord before WAN Show for some interesting things if tagged?

I know he doesn't during WAN, since that's what the forum and Floatplane and merch messages are for

He's on now

[brittle moon]

no, they do not look at this channel

[inner idol]

Good point to make

since Discord can get hectic

[brittle moon]

they only look at floatplane chat, and sometimes twitch chat

[inner idol]

makes sense

on top of the merch messages and LTT Forum news subjects

[brittle moon]

they dont look at the forum, at least not during the show

only things they look at during the show are floatplane chat and sometimes twitch chat, plus the merch messages that dan reads out

[inner idol]

I think the forum is before the show

rarely during the show unless they need reference

also
RIP Gordon, because I'm watching rn

[spice oak]

I was kidding 😄

[potent shell]

I feel like LTT was called out in the Honey video because they were framed as the "tech literate friend", and because of that position, should have understood what was going on

[long scarab]

Anyone have the loading icon stuck on floatplane android?

The video is playing

[wicked shard]

Well, that was disappointing

[severe garden]

For you

[sleek kayak]

To be fair, Linus can't do much about this whole Honey thing since they don't have contacts anymore

And the company won't repond so whats the point?

[wicked shard]

Really, he can't use the YouTube API to remove the Honey URLs from the video descriptions?

[onyx sky]

I mean, what were you expecting? An apology for something not related to them? Lol

[sleek kayak]

Well they were for sponsored videos right? Are they allowed to edit them?

[wicked shard]

I was expecting Linus not to gaslight that Mr Beast's 26 sponsor spots is much worst than LMG's 160 sponsor shots

[potent shell]

I was really hoping they would show the clip from GN's response to the NZXT flex criticism from another influencer where Steve says its not his job to do their homework

[sleek kayak]

That video was crazy tho

[olive bronze]

linus just runs tech into the ground

[wicked shard]

Being disallowed is not even going to be discussed. But if the sponsorship is truly over then I would expect editing the video description should be allowed.

[sleek kayak]

Hmm that makes sense

[severe garden]

We wouldn't know

[sleek kayak]

Either way, I've only used honey once and it never worked me for me 🤷‍♂️

[olive bronze]

seriously is there such a thing as upgrading a 4090? is there a task you can't do on a 4090?

[severe garden]

Run chrome

[wicked shard]

Yes, clearly we won't be getting that level of transparency from Linus

[sleek kayak]

16k gaming

[potent shell]

I can't push high framerate (past around 144fps) at 4k

[sleek kayak]

I don't see a need to upgrade my 4080 for another five years

[olive bronze]

hmm i wonder if thats a port version limitation

[wicked shard]

That makes sense to me. Unless the fans die.

[severe garden]

Can just change the fans

[sleek kayak]

please dont say that 💀

[inner idol]

Honey kinda worked for me, but not enough to fully justify its regular use, since I shop so irregularly (once a quarter or less)

[sleek kayak]

I already had to replace my PSU this year...

[wicked shard]

Have you done it?

[severe garden]

Yes

Some come integrated to the shrouds which gets annoying

[wicked shard]

The capacitors in a PSU is continually being pushed while video cards really only get it when actually putting a load on it

[sleek kayak]

Yup. A few months ago, my pc constantly restarted to the point I got a blue screen

[potent shell]

I've already accepted that the 5090 will be ~$2500 USD

[sleek kayak]

No way Linus is willing to spend 2K on a GPU...

[wicked shard]

He has all those savings from that sweet Honey money :P

[sleek kayak]

[inner idol]

[severe garden]

[brittle moon]

because linus has a flight

[wicked shard]

So Linus could dismiss the Megalag claims before most people got there

If you don't care about the Honey situation then you didn't miss anything

Otherwise if you do care then it was extremely disappointing

[hard sage]

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/12/1158521
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/12/still-flawed-and-lacking-safeguards-un-cybercrime-treaty-goes-un-general-assembly

what do you guys think about this mess?

[timid frost]

What’s the over/under on the wanshow being late tonight?

[wicked shard]

I think Stuxnet established what state level actors are capable of and will continue to do. There is no putting that "gennie" back in the bottle.

[brittle moon]

considering theyre already live...

[timid frost]

Fuck me

Worst bit ever

[severe garden]

gg

[timid frost]

Had no idea

[wicked shard]

You probably don't want to know why

[hard sage]

this is truly the start of 1984 - no more privacy....

[timid frost]

Linus has a flight?

[wicked shard]

start?

[hard sage]

oh, it started a long time ago, but no it is offical.

on a global scale, no need to hide it anymore...

[wicked shard]

Grab a copy of The Road Ahead by Bill Gates from the 1990's. He has a chapter about "leading a documented life" in which you are never not on camera and being recorded.

[tiny nimbus]

I’m really not liking the new thing Linus does with his hands when he’s “pontificating”

[hard sage]

remember edward snowden?

[wicked shard]

We knew a long time ago where we were headed

[timid frost]

Can someone give me the gist of what Linus addresses abt honey?

[wicked shard]

The guy in Russia? :P

[opal crystal]

if I understand correctly, this convention requires ratification by a country before a country is legally bound by it

regardless of if the vote passes in UN general assembly, or whether a country voted for or against

[tiny nimbus]

17,000 uses of the YouTube Shopping discount codes

[hard sage]

god damn hero... chelsea manning and julian assange as well - all heroes.

[tiny nimbus]

Not everyone using the code for the discount

[wicked shard]

Well, LMG viewers were already told to use Honey to get the best discount :P

[severe garden]

[woeful crescent]

I guess Linus wasn't supposed to tell people how Google was covering the costs heh

[plain aurora]

Tbh we did come to that conclusion before wan

[wicked shard]

YouTube chat has been put into slow mode

[woeful crescent]

People use youtube chat o_0

[severe garden]

Fr

[tiny nimbus]

Linus even looked at YT chat during the last build stream

[severe garden]

Damn

[woeful crescent]

lol Linus didn't drain his solar loop.. saw that coming lol

[wicked shard]

Yes, but the WAN show ignores it completely

[real stag]

not watching atm, covering costs on what?

[woeful crescent]

On the Commuter backpack sale

[severe garden]

The commuter backpack discount

[wicked shard]

$30 off a backpack

[real stag]

ah kk

[tiny nimbus]

$29.99 off a backpack

[woeful crescent]

Google is giving LMG $30 per backpack, up to 17,000 .. so a bit over half a mil USD..

[real stag]

goddamn

[severe garden]

It's a win win

[woeful crescent]

Ya I mean how many of us ever looked at Youtube Shopping before this.. be honest?

I'd be shocked if even 25% knew about it before this..

[severe garden]

Looked at yes, used no

[woeful crescent]

Much less used it

[wicked shard]

You mean after Alphabet had killed:
YouTube Streams
YouTube Gaming
YouTube Messeges
YouTube Leanback
YouTube Community Contributions
YouTube Go
YouTube Originals
and YouTube Stories

There is another YouTube [thing] that will be dead in 2 years?

[woeful crescent]

Bound to make something stick eventually..

Law of large numbers

[wicked shard]

Anyone else remember how excited Google was about the integration between YouTube Gaming and Stadia? :P

[woeful crescent]

Nope.. to be fair I don't remember Stadia at all, and apparently I missed nothing of value.

[wicked shard]

It is more likely they will create a Google Shopping and then kill YouTube Shopping as redundant

[timid frost]

I love playing triple a titles on my stadia with 1 whole second of input delay

[wicked shard]

That was part of the "charm" of being able to turn a chromecast into a full gaming console!

You needed the Stadia specific controller which connected to wifi directly :P

Then the input delay would be 0.9 second instead

[junior perch]

they are censoring people in chat that talk about honey just so everyone knows

[wicked shard]

I mean, that is to be expected at this point

[timid frost]

Bring back the ouya

[wicked shard]

They are just pushing the conversation onto forums that they don't control :(

[junior perch]

my point exactly really bad move

[wicked shard]

Ouya was such a bait and switch scam

[wicked shard]

I guess. It is their own home turf, they get to moderate it accordingly.

[junior perch]

true I just dont see why they would let it go onto a platform where they have no part in the conversation

[wicked shard]

I think I am overdue from a real scandal

[sleek kayak]

that's getting clipped out of context

[wicked shard]

He really learned nothing from the Billet Labs

[restive rain]

Makes sense

[sleek kayak]

who are they

[restive rain]

Just ruins the chat if they already addressed in and people just keep going on and on

[wicked shard]

If you don't know then you probably don't want to know

[sleek kayak]

ah ok

[junior perch]

Old LTT drama

[wicked shard]

It is another time Linus made excuses why we shouldn't expect errors in videos to be fixed

[sleek kayak]

Gotta. Don't want to bring it up then

[wicked shard]

The result was a document published about the severity of errors and how they will be addressed

[junior perch]

It's the pattern at this point he'll probably come out with a video all serious in a couple days

[timid frost]

Linus auctioned off a prototype gpu cooler, right?

Or is there more to it?

[wicked shard]

Colton took responsiblity for the handling of the auction

[timid frost]

Fucking Colton

I don’t trust that guy

[wicked shard]

What?!?!

[timid frost]

Mr chair review

[wicked shard]

That came out of left field

[sleek kayak]

I thought fire colton was just for memes 💀

[timid frost]

Nah I love Colton he’s just an easy target

[tight mauve]

company said use cooler with $x gpu
ltt used $y gpu and complained
company said they could use it
after the video they wanted it back
the above was lost(in actually happening), leading to it being selected for being auctioned off

[sleek kayak]

paris hilton who?

[wicked shard]

More importantly, they incorrectly "tested" the cooler and gave it a bad review

And then Linus went on the WAN show and said correcting the tests wasn't worth $500

[restive rain]

They won’t

[timid frost]

Linus on Joe Rogan would be a trip

[sleek kayak]

I still dont know why joe rogan is popular

[wicked shard]

Later they posted an apology and the LMG CFO (and Linus wife) said that LMG definately would spend $500 to correct and error

[junior perch]

If he gets enough backlash he will

[restive rain]

Joe is stupid

[opal crystal]

except this honey thing is a nothing burger

[sleek kayak]

most popular people are

[wicked shard]

and Linus posted "The Plan" video explaining an LMG Error Handling policy

[restive rain]

People blow every minor thing out of proportion

This is not something to waste your anger on

Seriously

[severe garden]

🇺🇸

[opal crystal]

especially after the clarifications in the WAN show

[wicked shard]

so Honey should count as a Medium Severity misleading error which results in a change in the video description and a pin document

[opal crystal]

after this I wouldn't expect anyone to complain other than the like 15 people who like to pearl clutch over anything because they're still mad about some past things

[restive rain]

depending on the contracts in place that can't happen

[gilded sandal]

I haven't been able to tune in to WAN yet. But am I reading it right that the long list of sugars are sugar-like things in the thumb are in reference to the Honey app/extension alledgedly being a data-harvesting operation? I had only vaguely heard of it prior and am curious if that is the direction I'll be hearing about when I finally do get to watch

[junior perch]

like i said for me its more the pattern at this point im not angry i just dont trust the guy nearly as much as i used to

[wicked shard]

But Linus is not even claming there is any contract problem. He is dismissing it without any transparency into why the LMG Error Handling policy is being followed

[opal crystal]

do yourself a favor and watch MegaLag video first, otherwise you're not gonna get what it's about

[gilded sandal]

Do they have a link in description? ❤️

[tight mauve]

here ya go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc4yL3YTwWk

[olive bronze]

linus only talked about honey for about 15 minutes anyway. it was not a main topic

[severe garden]

There was nothing to talk about it

[gilded sandal]

I was half-preparing myself for Linus to deliver some solidly non-tech nutritional news lolol

[opal crystal]

well, there wasn't much to talk about regarding LTT and honey, they probably could have contributed to talking about it in general

[severe garden]

It's old news pretty much

[wicked shard]

Yeah, after all that crying and asking everyone to forgive them back in fall of 2023, there is no possible reason why there is no path forward in which Honey will result in the LMG Error Handling document being followed or at least transparency into why it isn't possible :(

[severe garden]

Yawn

[crude sandal]

YouTube chatters when their braindead takes get deleted

[opal crystal]

well, just the title of the document should tell you why it wouldn't be followed. it wasn't put there in error. error is not the same thing as regret

[olive bronze]

yeah considering how long they talked about it i didn't get why it was the icon

[wicked shard]

The document says error includes information that would be misleading

[restive rain]

good point, this is not an error

[wicked shard]

Ok, good point, the policy lied about misleading being an error

We shouldn't have ever trusted the LMG policy in the first place

[gilded sandal]

Partially informed and highly speculative people, gonna come up with things like enthusiastic writers for those tabloids papers from the 90s claiming X politician is pregnant with an alien baby

[severe garden]

Gotta love pulling straws must be nice

[restive rain]

gen q, why do you care so much

the world is not going to end because LTT didn't go back and change descriptions of years old sponsored videos

[junior perch]

It's called ACCOUNTABILITY

[crude sandal]

Honey was dropped for the affiliate link switching long before any of this shit ever happened. LMG's part in this is literally irrelevant at this point

[junior perch]

its not a hard concept

[crude sandal]

You're an idiot.

Go back to school and pay attention this time

[restive rain]

its called stfu becasue they said thier part on it and dont want that crap filling up the chat

[junior perch]

Gamers Nexus would have reemed honey a new asshole publicily the moment they found out because they are a NEWS outlet

just like ltt

[severe garden]

Tbh I see LTT more as entertainment

[junior perch]

Do something besides call people namees

[junior perch]

they claim to be news

[crude sandal]

You clearly didn't listen to a single word that was said in the wan show section about this

[junior perch]

listened to eevery word what part are ytou talking about?

[tight mauve]

ltt isnt really news tho tbh. techlink is. honestly not sure that gamers nexus is news either?
though im probably wasting my breath in good faith in response to a bad faith comment

[opal crystal]

LTT is not an investigative journalism channel

[crude sandal]

They must've gone in one ear and out the other then

[gilded sandal]

I hear critical thinking and reading comprehension is kinda hit-or-miss in some whole-arse schooling districts in some places. They might need to relocate to a different area to git gud if they got the crap end of that lottery

[severe garden]

Probably didn't make it's way through the first one

[tight mauve]

anyways, not to be a negative Nancy, but dunno how much i should actually comment here on this due to rule#2

[severe garden]

We all good, we gaming

[gilded sandal]

Yea... it can be easy to skim too close to violating the don't be an ass rule on occasion, reminders are good ❤️ Calling it out when ya see someone getting close can be good too.

[wicked shard]

Yes, they managed to completely miss posted to their own forum back on Sept 1, 2018 that Honey doesn't provide the best deal and continue to state the claim that it does provide the best deal from 2018 to 2022

That to me is a bad look

[opal crystal]

they were never aware of honey intentionally withholding coupons

[wicked shard]

Yes, they were blind to the information posted to their own forum

That doesn't make the claim "this was all in the past when we found out" look any better

it provide the potential for someone to make a video claiming they should have know

[opal crystal]

read again. they didn't find it out "in the past". they found it out days ago

[wicked shard]

yes, they remain blind to being notified in 2018. I get that

[opal crystal]

broken record

[wicked shard]

but that is more reason for them to do what they should have done if they had paid attention in 2018

the best way to address this is to just follow the Error Handling policy

[gilded sandal]

I like to use them as a semi-newsy source, everyone has different spheres of intake, and you can't really do it all. GN and LTT somewhat regularly serve as introductions to news topics for me, often inspiring a dig onto the topic to then get some actual info. L1T too!

[wicked shard]

It was misleading, there was an attempt to notify back in 2018, so just fix up the video descriptions and add the pin comments

[opal crystal]

you can't just jump between "no one was aware so they should have notified everyone since they were the first ones to find out" and "it was all known to everyone all along, how could they have been this blind". pick a side

and choose whether you're talking about affiliate links or withholding coupons. you're incomprehensibly jumping between the two issues back and forth mid-sentence

[junior perch]

I just think they neeed to say Hey we coulda donee better problem solved...

[wicked shard]

They should focus on how someone else can spin this into a scandle instead of talking about "lets talk about a real scandal"

[gilded sandal]

I dunno, with how many videos LTT puts out on a weekly basis, it seems like there is absolutely no way that each comment that has good info is getting read (and both understood and believed), let alone getting propogated to the person(s) in the company that should actually get to hear it

[tulip hatch]

Can't believe Linus got payed by Honey behind closed doors, to not say anything to the public about all the shady things they did.

[severe garden]

I mean it's as if they were sponsored by them 🤔

[gilded sandal]

Wait, so you're saying... sponsorships involve money changing hands?! ||/s||

[restive rain]

noooo 😭

can't be true

everything in my life is a lie with this new found knowledge 😦

[tight mauve]

i did think about this more, regular ltt videos i personally wouldnt consider news, but want show technically is. iirc gamers nexus has a specific weekly video that is news or something

[severe garden]

And everyone respectfully parting ways after disagreements in one practices?

[jolly oar]

https://youtu.be/KnsiZOJjfUg?si=p7jrJX8V5eCMaBkO

[junior perch]

AGH!

[restive rain]

i would consider main LTT channel videos entertainment, sometimes with a learning outcome (like linus has mentioned is in their laws). Wan show i would consider to be a news show since it is literally them reading the news of the week and discussing it

[junior perch]

Seinfeld jumpscare

oh wait thats tim allen lol

[gilded sandal]

I both can't count, and haven't kept track of, how many times an off-handed comment during one of those entertainment videos, led me to googling things and discovering newsy stuff goings on in the world directly because of it. Not news in itself, but something that instigates intake of news

[tight mauve]

yeah, agree. only reason i said technically since it isnt purely news, more news mixed with personality/(whatever you call streaming). also in the context of techlink being pure news

[severe garden]

In reality if it was pure news like next to no one would watch it

[restive rain]

lol yea

[severe garden]

Like something you play to put you to sleep

[restive rain]

people need that entertainment still

[opal crystal]

also not every news channel is a journalism channel, they're not the same thing

main channel is not a news channel at all, techlinked is a news channel with 0 journalism (basically just a news aggregator)

LMG doesn't do any journalism

[gilded sandal]

There as so many genres in that general ballpark, it's wild

[tight mauve]

i wouldnt say any, but generally probably

[opal crystal]

fair enough, they may dabble occasionally

[junior perch]

I feel like any good news channel has journalistic integrity though

[gilded sandal]

I think I would argue that some of their content at least mimics it, if not is outright journalism-lite. Certainly not the main-stay content type though

[tight mauve]

i should clarify to say in depth, heavy, focused, that sort of thing (as for what im thinking of journalism)

[opal crystal]

the main type of journalism they do is "how it's made" style which isn't really investigative journalism

if it is journalism at all, I guess people may have differing opinions on that

[gilded sandal]

I feel like their Secret Shopper is probably among the most popular stuff that resembles journalism

[opal crystal]

I don't think so. it is, by design, only intended to cover their own personal, one-time experience, and is therefore entirely anecdotal

[tulip hatch]

They did try HDMI cables or the likes in 1 video from Amazon
But I don't think they ever showed a list/image of every cable name & their performance in the actual video though.
Just footage of them testing the cables & some conclusion like "Yeah, some cables works that you can buy on amazon. "

[junior perch]

Once again though I feel like in hiendsight its fair to say they should have done more and the fact theyre just totally ignoring it is a indication of how they behave in this type of situation

[tight mauve]

ltt cables going to be interesting. if those ever release anyways

[gilded sandal]

Mayhaps I need to re-investigate how I internally define journalism, I suspect that is where our disconnect lies

[opal crystal]

as linus explained, it seemed to him that it was general knowledge, considering there were youtube videos about this and they were contacted by other people about it

[tulip hatch]

those are really fun yeah, when Sara Butt(?) or maybe they got more staff like her, that does the calling

Pretty sure Linus himself have said they are an entertainment channel btw

Not tech channel

[woeful crescent]

Yep he has, and its true..

[gilded sandal]

Well, yea, a techy themed entertainment channel (now) relative to their roots in just grabbing a piece of hardware and talking about it for 3-30 minutes

[woeful crescent]

I see Parallels between LTT and say Top Gear/The Grand Tour.. the latter is entertainment with Cars as the common factor.. LTT is entertaiment with Tech being the trigger.

[real stag]

tech channel definitely. but focused on entertainment and not journalism in the investigative type of sense, unless they can merge both

[opal crystal]

anyway, I think this whole "should have rang the bell about affiliate links" topic is a nothing burger. I think it would be far more productive to push for the removal of honey from the descriptions, solely on the basis that honey lied to end users that they gave them the best coupons (or even tried to)

if all they see is people whining about the past, it's gonna get ignored because that's pointless to listen to

[gilded sandal]

Now there is an idea get Linus next to Jeremy and see what kind of hilarity ensues. There is no way Jeremy doesn't insult his car choices, just no way.

[tight mauve]

tbh, i dont think it would happen tho, as hammond(lions share) and may seem to have much more youtube stuff while jeremy has basically none

[severe garden]

We need the V8 powered gaming pc

[woeful crescent]

The real question is.. whos the LTT Stig? I would have gone Colin before he left :p

[gilded sandal]

I know, but I can dream

[tight mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/trollface-gif-25532101

[tulip hatch]

My personal theory, is that Linus does not want to draw unnecessary attention to ref-links("affiliate" links) in general.
Since there is 0 reason what so ever, for you as a customer, to pay up to 10% extra on stuff you buy, just so Linus etc. can get their share/cut of the sell price.

[opal crystal]

that's not how affiliate links work

[tulip hatch]

Cashback Websites have existed for so long, where you use your own ref.link & get the money back yourself

[tulip hatch]

it is

[severe garden]

I always shop around

[tulip hatch]

Think I have gotten like 500$ back last year

from stuff

Just buy using my own ref links

[opal crystal]

I mean yea if you apply as an affiliate yourself, perhaps

but how many people realistically do that

[junior perch]

I wanna know how to do that lol

[opal crystal]

ah yes, cashback like honey gold lol

[gilded sandal]

Probably violates the terms of the program to do it /shrug

[tulip hatch]

Don't have to be so advanced.
The cashback ref links money market is so big(Amazon bought honey for 4 billion?)
You can get most of the money back yourself

Refunder.se is the biggest one in Sweden

Idk which one is the biggest one in USA

TopCashBack?

Rakuten?

[opal crystal]

you do realize all of those work like honey gold and are skimming most of it and giving you pennies?

[tulip hatch]

Skill issue.

[junior perch]

I must research this further

[tulip hatch]

TopCashBack bought Swedish Refunder.se last year I think
But idk if that makes TopCashBack just as good as refunder just because they own Swedens better site

[tight mauve]

to be fair, a lot of stuff is built onto the top of products today, the 3% for credit card fees, affiliate commissions, tariffs, "free shipping", etc

[tulip hatch]

Swedish Refunder have an app, where you can get "double cashback" on a semi-random store each day

Neat

[opal crystal]

the exorbitant credit card fees is an american thing

[severe garden]

Yeah

I pay nothing for mine and as long as there is money in my main account it'll automatically pay itself off

[tight mauve]

yeah, talking through my lense, iirc europe is mostly debit cards with actual protections?

[opal crystal]

in EU, the card fees are capped at 0.2% for debit cards (which work on all sites that accept credit cards) and 0.3% for credit cards

[woeful crescent]

I think Linus forgets a lot of people purchased their backpacks yesterday too, which likely cuts in on sales during wanshow

[tulip hatch]

The Ref-Link money(I refuse to use scam "affiliate" name)
You can get yourself by using TopCashBack or Rakuten for example.

No reason to give it to random youtuber, or google(google search reflink), or amazon(honey)

[opal crystal]

are you this dim, you are giving this commission to those sites you are using instead

[tight mauve]

paypal bought honey, not amazon, but given your other comments, i shouldnt be suprised

[tulip hatch]

yada yada, The red thread was, I think it would hurt LTT more to draw attention to this possibility
Than not to, so they did not talk about honey last years.

[opal crystal]

those sites are literally honey gold but maybe a few % higher cut for you

[tulip hatch]

since LTT must be the biggest non big tech company, by ref-link revenue

[opal crystal]

ah yes mr. beast is smaller hmm

[tight mauve]

im not sure what your going on about. like linus said in wan, they are the victim here. its beneficial to them to shout from the rooftops to get people to remove honey so that they get the commision money rather than it being taken from them

[tulip hatch]

or you think their fan base use of Ublock Origin cancells out their expensive items+rich fan base combo?

adblock blocks ref links

[opal crystal]

are you sure about that

[woeful crescent]

some do

Some have it as an option

[tulip hatch]

refunder.se always reminds you to turn off adblock, when clicking out to website for their ref-link system to work flawless at least

[gilded sandal]

I strongly suspect you may be over-estimating the use rate of browser extensions that don't have massive advertising campaigns.
There is alot of people using them, but there is alot alot of people watching

[woeful crescent]

Also most block not the ref itself but the middle-man url that a lot of refs go through

[tulip hatch]

I know dns ad blocks breaks your surfing experience at least, when shopping

[woeful crescent]

So if the ref is just a url query string it works fine, but it it goes to some ads domain it'll get stopped

[opal crystal]

not even then, LTT links go to through geni.us and ublock isn't blocking anything there

[woeful crescent]

Really depends on what adblock you use, and what its setting are.. combined with what method the site is trying to use to get their info there..

heh I get my links blocked twice.. ubo blocks it, and uMatrix blocks em lol

No more pihole or it would be 3 times 😄

"Are you're coworkers in the room with us now?"

[neat kiln]

i forgot wan was early today

[woeful crescent]

WANShow was Schrödinger's Cat. It was both early AND late.

[zealous spire]

interesting, you can't download a stream immediately after its ended

[potent shell]

It's still early enough on a Friday night and WAN show is over. I... I don't know what to do now

[frosty spire]

i was in the same boat. my wife suggested going and being goofy in Target 😛

[plain aurora]

I had a two and a hour trip one way and a three hour trip back. Time to listen to music now wans over

[spice cairn]

yeaaah i don't think they really addressed everything about the Honey bit in this weeks WAN show

are they going to go back and fix the only videos descriptions and pinned comments??

i think thats what a lot of people are upset about and they never really talked about it

[spice cairn]

your absolutely right

[spice cairn]

correct me if im wrong... but like isn't that what we've all been saying??? and been kinda upset about that there was no clear and open "hey so this what were going to do with those old videos"

[tacit pebble]

Yeah, to me, just being satisfied with "We promoted it, we didn't know the extent of it, we're sorry. We are removing old links. honey sucks." end of story, it really shouldnt be much more than that but I dont think it should be less than that

At the end of the day, they were victimized as a company too

[spice cairn]

yeah and i don't think any sane person is faulting them for being the victim here. WHAT IS there fault is not clearly communicating that its effecting end users now and that going forward they'll be fixing there past videos they did with them...

[frosty spire]

i would be willing to bet they can't cause it would open them up to a lawsuit. they would probably have to either completely take the video down and leave it down, or not edit it, since the video was paid for by a sponsor at the time, whether they work with them now or not

[frosty spire]

why would they have even thought about it, years after they quit dealing with them?

[inner idol]

Could be one of those non-disclosure/gag order type things, and maybe they don't want to run into any further legal headaches in court.

[spice oak]

The topic of Honey the browser extension was answered sufficiently to me. They only knew about the affiliate cookie being replaced, and that did not effect consumers. So they didn't make a big announcement about it except on the LTT forum post regarding sponsors.

[wicked shard]

I don't think it was answered but I also don't think it should have been answered by the WAN show. The key people for addressing lingering sponsorship issues is Terren and Colton. Regardless of if they knew about the LTT forum post on Sept 1, 2018 warning of the effect on consumers, they clearly have been made aware of the issue now. From what I am finding, the FTC doesn't consider misleading advertising resolve simply by not profiting from it. For example, lets say you are in the business of leasing billboard space. The lease expire but you don't have a new advertiser yet so you leave the old material still up. If it become known the current advertising is misleading, simply no longer collecting money doesn't change the potential to be fined or have legal liability.

LMG still has some 163 misleading "billboards" left up that doesn't benefit them and is only a liability so that is not a resolved situation. Hopefully there is still some way to escalate to Terren or Colton before the situation gets worse so it can be resolved cleanly.

But I felt sorry for LInus after listening to it again a second time. You can really hear the pain in his voice for something that he isn't the right person to be going to for this anyways.

[spice oak]

Terren wasn't with LMG yet at the time it happened, so only Colton and yes Linus could answer why.

[tulip hatch]

Well of course it affects the consumer, my Ref-Link Cashback website won't work. Who cares about Linus ref-link not working for MY purchases.

[spice oak]

did ref-link cashback website exist in 2022?

[tulip hatch]

I have been using Swedish Refunder.se & Cashbacker.se since 2017.

English TopCashBack bought majority/100%(?) of the refunder.se stocks last year btw.

[spice oak]

then it may have effected you

[graceful swan]

LTT does normally do book reviews (dan should get that job i think) but maybe the nVidia Way book could be discussed (with the author?) on WAN show?

[novel dawn]

wth is this thumbnail lmao

[frosty spire]

they are all aternatives to honey as a sweetener.

[novel dawn]

that makes sense

without context it's wild

[frosty spire]

you must have been completely disconnected from the internet for the last week

[novel dawn]

I've been with family so yea

just got back last night, have some catching up to do

[frosty spire]

makes sense 🙂

wasn't being snarky, it was literally the only way i could think you hadn't seen something. the manufactured drama over it was(and continues to be crazy enough) intense

[worn river]

this was the first wan show i finished start to finish live, that was awesome

[frosty spire]

and it's really hard to explain to someone who hasn't watched one live 😛

[worn river]

it was early so it was EU friendly, was nice man

[frosty spire]

oh, yeah, i can see that. i'm east coast US, so 3 hours later than them, can't imagine staying up till like 1am for the supposed start time only for it to start 2 hours late LOL

[wicked shard]

3 hours earlier, right?

oh, nevermind, I see what you are saying.

[tender prism]

I think we're done getting answers from LTT until someone like GamersNexus or penguinz or SomeOrdinaryGamers makes a video on Honey with a different angle specifically targetting LTT

[severe garden]

[woeful crescent]

I think they said all they needed too..it doesn't make me happy or anything, but I accept their reasons at the time.. really it would take some proof that honey was doing ALL their bad things at the time, AND that LTT was fully aware of it, for me to really feel like they owed us more..

[wicked shard]

That is just so not the right way to proceed :(

[brittle moon]

what else are they supposed to do?

[cobalt prawn]

Im with you.

[brittle moon]

the only other thing they could have done is say something on wan show when it happened so that more people knew about it, but that was before big sponsor drama happened and they started doing that, and they have already done that now by mentioning it on wan show

so at this point it feel like youre just bringing up drama for the sake of there being drama

[cobalt prawn]

100%

[spice cairn]

literally all they had to say was "hey this sucks, all our past videos with Honey will be taken down/edited/ pinned comments" that's all they had to do to really stop most of us from complaining

and I've been saying it so many times now im pretty sure most people that take issue... understand that they didn't know thee extent of what was going on when they dropped Honey and no one is blaming them for the way they handled it then. BUT now that new news has come out and its fucking over end users all of there content is now a liability

[brittle moon]

i doubt thats possible - like contractually - to remove previous sponsor spots

[spice cairn]

_(\

[brittle moon]

good point with that pinned comment though. that is something they could and probably should do

[spice cairn]

pinned comments and description change is all I've seen anyone ever talk about here

and that's all that id expect from them

however they did at no point say this was the plan moving forward

so i still feel like this issue isn't resolved which is why we're still seeing people talk about this in here

im not one to take the side of those who think LMG and Linus specifically are scumm bags ok. on this occasion however i do think they kinda fucked it up with the poor response on the wan show and id like to see them do the right thing

[spice oak]

I don't see how GN can put the blame on LTT here. LTT's answer makes sense to me.

but I think GN is waiting for part 2 of megalag's video on honey to come out

[spice cairn]

which comment are you replying to?

[spice oak]

unbiased pidgeon

[brittle moon]

if you arent replying to the person directly above you in chat, you should probably utilize discord's reply feature. Otherwise its confusing for others reading the chat

[spice cairn]

yes i was just about to say as well

especially on a topic like this clear communication is key

[spice cairn]

also i believe there's a statute of limitations on sponsorship deals

cause to me it doesn't make sense if i were to only get paid once by a sponsor but had to keep a video up indefinitely as they collect money from the sponsor spot that was in the video. again that's just my take on it. it could work totally different them my understanding here i don't know

like pulling endorsement of a sponsor is what LMG and Linus have done in the past. soo this seems reasonable to just do the same thing here

[frosty spire]

they could probably take the video down, but i doubt they would be able to just remove the sponsor spot since that's what paid for the video in the first place.

[spice cairn]

and i realized they can only do that on there own content since Linus did say that anchor i believe still hasn't responded to there requests to pull his endorsement.

[brittle moon]

yeah anker still has linus on their website iirc

[spice cairn]

yeah and i feel like they handled that situation well

[frosty spire]

and they can;t really do anyting cause anker is a much larger company with larger coffers to pay lawyers

[small heath]

anyone rem which wan show it was where linus and luke were talking aboutn eljahs debt and him burning his hand

i m pretty sure it was sometime this month but cant seem to find timpstamps

[spice oak]

it might be this clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zmx9qUcG0Q

it's the only time I remember Elijah being on the wanshow

but I think that was part of Elijah's $5000 amd ultimate tech upgrade https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZcoV9Zuj5A

here's the part of Elijah's debt https://youtu.be/sZcoV9Zuj5A?feature=shared&t=281

timestamp 4:41

[manic ridge]

Hey might be an odd question but people here tend to know stuff. I have a backpack currently it’s clear and made out of pvc. The dimensions are 16x12x7 that’s inches. The new commuter bag is 17.5x 11.5x8 so it’s only slightly bigger. Probably is my current pvc bag I kind of have to flex and cram to fit it into my locker at work. Would it be safe to assume the commuter probably won’t fit because it’s a more rigid material

I also have the og backpack but my work told me it was too big and I’m not allowed to bring it 🤦‍♂️

Please @me if you respond because I don’t see the messages otherwise

[wicked shard]

I am not sure in terms of liability that LMG needs to do anything more for Anker. For example, their sponsor spot about the GaN Prime Charger was about a product that does exactly what it claimed it does. In the case of Anker, LMG was pro-active enough to address the Anker/Eufy fraud before it got to the point of LMG sayings something incorrect themselves.

The problem with LMG's stance now is that they dismiss leaving the claims in their previous videos based on what they knew at the time they still profited. I can sympathize with the idea that maybe that is how it should work. But it is not how the FTC works today. What they know now and if what is still under their control to modify but still published with incorrect statements does matter.

[small heath]

Thanks. But this isn't the one. It was just Luke n linus and they were talking about what kind of debt it was and they said it was probably student loans. And how elijah had model train engines to use as a propelled gauntlet or sumn amd he burned his hand..and how he's in the top 0.3% of streamers

Ig I'll rewatch last weeks Wan show 😂😭

[hard sphinx]

yep, that's the problem

and even if they legally can, that would not look good to all current and potential sponsors if they do that

[hard sphinx]

that's why i don't always take what companies say their customers or sponsors are at face value

like if a company says their product was rated well by the new york times, perhaps it was, although there's also a good chance that some money was secretly handed over for the new york times to say it's good

[brittle moon]

is this it?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZtYrfPXFjho&t=4977

yeah seems like thats exactly what you were looking for

[small heath]

oh yea thats the one, its 3 months ago what 😭

thanks tho

[brittle moon]

yw 🙂

[inner idol]

Probably my favorite part of this WAN Show is where Linus says "Maybe our phones really are listening."

[small heath]

lmaoo yea

[inner idol]

especially since targeted ads triggered by audio cues like conversations or things mentioned in other videos, TV shows, and movies seem to be somewhat prevalent around me

"Active listening" is rather unsettling

[frosty spire]

ok, seriously, you can find a bunch of other videos from other people at the time saying honey was bad mmk?, exactly as linus already said. other people knew, the fact that its blowing up again when it was already a big thing back in the day is just stupidity on the part of anyone not paying attention. FTC isn't even a thing here. LTT wasn't charging anyone for anything, they weren't knowingly falsely advertising anything(A paid sponsor spot is NOT LTT advertising, before you try to inject that bullshit, Holney paid LTT to be the face of Honey's advertising) and they weren't doing anything anticompetitive. so that is a total nothingburger and you sound uninformed even bringing it up

the fact that this became somehow "LTT is the debil!!!!!! grab the picthforks paw!" is utterly baffling. imagine if google or amazon, or microsoft, or apple, or amd, or intel, or nvidia, or dell, or ibm, or(you get the point, i could name a thousand easily) got even half the scrutiny and outrage for the genuinely shitty things they have done as LTT did over simply not shit stirring an already boiling pot

[wicked shard]

All that is left to do is address the liability of the misinformation in the sponsorship. FTC isn't going to care about what LMG knew or didn't know in the past. All that is going to matter if it continues to be left unmodified across 163 videos is that it is known now that Honey does not provide the best results. Also, a company can't enforce a contract that requires doing something illegal. If Honey wants the advertisements left unmodified to claim the product provides the best discounts then they need to provide that product.

[wicked shard]

I mean, if you want to to have a discussion someplace else about the tangent that the Google Adalytics and TrueView class action suit will probably show Google is far worse in terms of damages than Honey, I would agree with that.

[woeful crescent]

FTC doesn't apply to Canadian Companies. Also, if the FTC was going after false advertising on Youtube, they are gonna need a bigger budget and a lot more manpower cause its EVERYWHERE.

[wicked shard]

It applies to any company doing business in the USA

[frosty spire]

try again, this time with logic. no it doesn't

[wicked shard]

It doesn't matter. Linus has put in his voice to LTT forum thread toward asking the mods to lock it. Shortly after that a "ChemicalAthlete" has gone full toxic towards Linus. So it looks like this discussion is going to be pushed out onto other platforms. :(

https://www.ftc.gov/policy/international/international-consumer-protection-privacy/international-enforcement

^ here is the page on international enforcement

They can work with USA based companies such a YouTube, Mastercard and Visa to make sure they can take action against a company outside the USA.

Hopefully the chances of the FTC getting around to it is low. But I was hoping the risk would be further minimized.

[frosty spire]

gee, is it possible that they were scammed as well and blaming them for being scammed and not immediately beating everyone in the face with it is fucking stupid? (The answer to that is yes by the way)

[woeful crescent]

The risk of the FTC taking action against LMG is Zero. They haven't even taking action against the company ACTUALLY paying for the claims

[frosty spire]

and all the internet lawyering from people who don't actually understand the laws is doing nothing but creating crama for the sake of drama

the likelyhood of FTC doing anything about anything in this situation is approximately the same as a human being spontaneously shitting money.

[wicked shard]

I definately think LMG was scammed as well. I am not blaming them for not knowing the Honey's marketing claim to provide the best discounts when they stopped accepting payments from Honey. But my concern is that the FTC will judge them based on what they know now and what continues to be available on their channel now.

[woeful crescent]

Also you're not expected to go back and retroactively ensure all info in all videos is always accurate. LMG videos often talk about deals that no longer are, or deals over this timeframe like Christmas, which happen yearly but only work the first year obviously, etc..

[frosty spire]

@wicked shard you do realize that just days ago you were all "linus is evil he cheated us, hes a liar, he knew!!!!!!!oneone!!!11" and you have moved the goalposts so far at this point they are eligible for frequent flyer miles right?

[wicked shard]

The other possible issue is that most people that consider themselves victims will have already enter into binding arbitration clauses with Honey or Paypal. An lawyer looking to make a class action lawsuit out of this might find LMG an easier target.

[frosty spire]

no kidding, Nick Light's 5k upgrade video still talks about the sale on the commuter backpack! Fluke's response to that would be something like "they should lose their license to shoot youtube videos1!!!!" i can just see it now

[wicked shard]

No, I don't realize having said "oneone!!!11" at any point. Can you reply to what you are claiming to quote me saying?

[frosty spire]

that was the thing you picked out of the obviously exxaggerated statement to argue about?

i mean, you had the ENTIRE statement that you never made, and that was the part that got you?

[wicked shard]

No, I think the entire statement is exaggerated but I figured I would just start there on why you would make up something so over the top false.

[frosty spire]

Has it ever occurred to you that you may have a V8 for a brain but its firing on 1/3 of a cylinder?

[frosty spire]

let me help you out. the entire statement was indeed exaggerated, to show the attitude you had, no the specific words.

[wicked shard]

It was more fun part of the so-called quote to pick apart and I hoped focusing on that section would lessen the escalation with you. I am not trying to upset you and if there is any part we can have more fun discussion without it being an attack on you then that is where I would prefer to go.

[wicked shard]

That had not occurred. The gases I periodically emit do not seem consistent with a brain that functions as a combustion engine.

[frosty spire]

i think at this point its not even about the fact that you just. keep. beating. this. dead. horse. it's the fact that many people have been making the same points that it is a nothingburger over and over and and somehow, you manage to either deliberately ignore it, even when it comes from the very people you wanted answers from, or simply can't comprehend what they are saying because it's counter to your mistaken belief

[wicked shard]

If it would help you feel better, we can further discuss you need to claim my brain is a V8, maybe even discuss if it might be made out of the V8 tomato juice drink?

[wicked shard]

I haven't seen it addressed yet in a meaningful way. The best I have gotten is maybe the contract with Honey requires them to continue to leave misleading claims up in the videos even after no longer accepting money. But what I am finding is a contract can not force a company to violate the law so any part of the contract related to retaining the misleading claims would be void.

Is there a different topic you would prefer to talk about?

[frosty spire]

no, let me fix that. you haven't seen it addressed the way you want.

[wicked shard]

I haven't seen LMG address it at all.

[frosty spire]

it has absolutely been addressed in a meaningful way, in that there was no meaning to begin with

[wicked shard]

I understand your perspective on this and sympathize with your feeling of frustration.

[frosty spire]

so, you spend all this time asking for answers, and then decided that when they said "we will talk about this on wan show" went"oh that doesn't count cause it's not the way i want"

[wicked shard]

It wasn't discussed. I was hoping to hear from Colton on the wan show which never happened.

[frosty spire]

so. i have this saying. comes from a very hard life. "Ignorance is forgivable, stupidity is not" You deciding to ignore anything that actually happened because it didn't happen the way you want is stupidity.

they did in fact discuss it. again, you are hallucinating things from a world that doesnt exist

[wicked shard]

I am sorry for missing it. At what point during the show did Colton discuss this?

It was already previously stated by Colton that Linus has no roll in handling sponsorships any longer.

[frosty spire]

if only being as deliberately obtuse as you are was a bannable offense

[woeful crescent]

He didn't, he doesn't have too, his boss said what was gonna be said..

[frosty spire]

you are in fact less useful than a bag of hammers

[spark silo]

Are we still talking about the honey crap? I thought we put this to rest. Everyone is making this a way bigger deal than it is.

[wicked shard]

Terren, Colton's boss, also didn't appear on the wan show.

[woeful crescent]

Linus is their boss

And the owner

[wicked shard]

I have asked if there is a different topic he wold like to discuss right now.

[wicked shard]

He is the founder of LMG.

[woeful crescent]

Employees of LMG don't have to and aren't going to answer for stuff, Linus was in charge then, he's still round about in charge now as the owner, once he steps in thats that.

Linus isn't going to drag employees on wanshow to answer for everything, NOR should he.

And that could easily be its own issue cause then it could be considered public humilliation, Linus not taking ownership and just throwing employees to the wolves, and doing that isn't part of these peoples Jobs. Colton while he has appeared on Camera, isn't PR, and isn't expected to by stepping infront of one to do damage control or answer to anyone other than his bosses and LMG ownership.

[wicked shard]

I don't think Colton or Linus has done something wrong in the past. My stance has been leaving it up moving forward could be a potential liability that is easily fixed.

I would like to ask again if there is a different topic you would like to talk about.

I am going to #public-chat now

[frosty spire]

What does LTT stand for? what do the letters mean? What does LMG mean? Who is the face of the company? Who owns the company, and is therefore the person who ultimately can make these sorts of decisions? If you answered "Linus" as at least a part of all of these, congratulations, you have touched reality!