the-wan-show

[clever plank]

what is she going to do "hey can i get the CCTV footage of people harassing me in the office so i can post an expose on twitter this week?"

[neat talon]

You obviously have never been involved in the American court system

[neat kiln]

Never heard of an inditement. That's a funny word

[clever plank]

you realize how completely rediculous that is right?

[neat kiln]

I've heard of indictment.

[clever plank]

indictment*

you get what im saying

[agile verge]

Actually why you usually sue alleging that if the facts are true your grievance is supported and then use discovery as the time to get the evidence.
Making a factual accusation without evidence outside of court can lead to claims of defamation.

[clever plank]

not everyone has the money to sue

and defamation is so incredibly hard to prove in north america

[agile verge]

Most labor law is handled on contingency.
(Contingency here means that the plaintiff does not pay fees, but hands over a percentage of the winnings to the attorneys.)

[dusky seal]

Seriously!!! Ugh

[agile verge]

Uh, defamation is usually considered easier in North America, at least the US, than the UK (not sure about the rest of Europe).

[cobalt trench]

@dusky seal @clever plank She could have taken many steps to make it so if she ever came out with this she would have evidence. As I said before (that you ignored), she could have told a friend on that day, wrote it down, or any other form of dating. Instead she did nothing and said nothing for 2 years till there was drama and thus she would get even more views on her tweet then she normally would. And lets not act like Linus would ignore it either, he reacts to literally anything alleged against him in which the person has an ounce of credibility

[cobalt trench]

Ah yes beacause im sure you have been indicted before 💀

[neat kiln]

Ehhh. The US is lawsuit happy. But actually. Getting something like libel or defamation through the courts is easier in the EU

Various EU countries will jail you for liking a Facebook post

[clever plank]

no its not, its incredibly hard to prove someone knowingly made a false statement

[agile verge]

I'll have to take your word for it.
I know and practice in US law, not European.

[neat kiln]

Public figures like Rowling have had easy times with these cases

[cobalt trench]

Firvolous Lawsuits do happen but they never are able to get indictments. Indictments are serious things and you need some amount of evidence to get one, usually they happen when you have some evidence but still need to know the full story

[clever plank]

like afaik you pretty much have to get the person saying "i know these things i am saying are false"

[cobalt trench]

Stop acting like you guys are experts in the law system, and a quick google search could show how wrong you are anyways

[clever plank]

nobody gets indicted in a lawsuit?

maybe google yourself

[agile verge]

UK is usually considered a royal pain in the ass for defamation, see Depp v Heard.

[clever plank]

indictments are criminal

[dusky seal]

I'm sure she did tell friends. Also even IF she did nothing, who are you to judge that? Again, you have no idea how it is when things like this happen to you. Your first thought isn't "I should document this for the courts!" It takes a long time to process these things.

[cobalt trench]

do you even know what I was responding too?

[clever plank]

you dont need a whole lot of evidence for an indictment

not typically

[cobalt trench]

then im sorry you have no idea how it works

you need a grand jury

[clever plank]

comparatively to what you need to convict

indictments just require that its probable someone committed a crime

[neat talon]

Used to work at a law firm when I was young and in some of the cases there was basically no evidence

[cobalt trench]

Who am I to judge that? No one should be judging anything THATS THE POINT. Opinions should be based on facts, in which he have none. All I know is that she was silent for 2 years, came out with accusations the day after the big controversy, and you are acting like she should be believed/taken seriously with NOTHING to back her up.

[neat kiln]

i feel like ya'll are also confusing criminal and civil

[vital blaze]

well she did write a few thing on glassdoor last year

[clever plank]

yes

there's no burden of proof to bring a tourt

[cobalt trench]

bro you mentioned indictments not me lmao

[clever plank]

why are we talking about indictments again?

oh yea i was using them as an example

[cobalt trench]

??

[neat kiln]

civil cases are often decided on a "what's more likely" basis. Not a 100% guilty or innocent like criminal cases are

[vital blaze]

sexist remarks, coded language, harassment is what she said

[clever plank]

you literally need 0 proof to start a civil case

you just need to write a letter

now that case would get dismissed but

[cobalt trench]

then you used a wrong example lmao

[wicked kayak]

I think it's important to not jump to a conclusion while there's no evidence presented. But I think it's also important to not treat this sorts of allegation against a company similar to an allegation against an individual, I think what LMG do is accurate, not taking it lightly, and investigate away, evidence or no.

[agile verge]

No, you need to have pleadings for a civil suit, you do not necessarily need a strong amount of evidence at the beginning of a civil suit, often a lot of the evidence will actually be produced during discovery in a civil suit.
Granted, at least in the US, depending on what discovery shows there will be times will you be sternly asked to stop pursuing the lawsuit or face sanctions, and something can always face summary judgment.

Criminal law is different. Indictment involves sufficient evidence shown to a grand jury such that an indictment is issued. The standard for an indictment is not beyond a reasonable doubt (which is the standard for criminal conviction).

And no, I'm not some Google legal expert.
I am a barred attorney in the US.

[clever plank]

no you said "dont say things before you have all the facts"

an indictment is saying "you might have committed this crime" before they have all the facts

[cobalt trench]

ok then let me rephrase

dont say things unless you have some facts

we have 0

your still invalid

[clever plank]

exactly this

[neat kiln]

how tf the bot gonna call that. interesting

[clever plank]

you can file a civil suit with like zero evidence, all you need is to file a complaint with a court

then you can get your evidence later

this is why a lot of companies will settle so you can't subpoena or dispose literally all their dirty laundry

[cobalt trench]

yes and my whole response was to using indictments

[agile verge]

What Madison is alleging is a civil matter...
This can and would have been something to bring to an attorney who handles employment law issues and very likely can and would be taken up on a contingent fee basis (at least in the US) if the attorney thinks there is a likelihood of success on the merits (i.e. on the facts as Madison alleges them to be).

[cobalt trench]

which @clever plank wrongly used as an example

[neat talon]

Your 100% wrong

The attorney worth his salt will get that case dismissed immediately

[clever plank]

i'm not, you can file but it'll likely be dismissed or lose on summary judgement

[cobalt trench]

She didnt go to court she went to twitter

[clever plank]

someone has filed against god

let that sink in

[cobalt trench]

assuming that even what your saying is correct

she decided to go to twitter rather than court

does that say anything to you?

[clever plank]

not at all

[cobalt trench]

then your dumb lol

she dosnt want to win a legal battle

[clever plank]

you dont know the circumstances behind that

[cobalt trench]

she wants to win the court of public opinion

[vital blaze]

ya its disgusting now all these random youtube vids with linus' face making him guilty already

[neat kiln]

If madison was made to manage the O F account, and received elicit messages, that's probably enough for a ___ harassment claim if she didn't want to manage that

[cobalt trench]

same thing happend with kwite

these people will never ever learn

[clever plank]

is madelyn still in canada?

im not sure

[agile verge]

Not exactly.
You will allege some facts, and you may be the evidence for those facts (in the Madison example, a number of the things she stated were facts).
Then there is the question of, if all facts are as you allege, is there grounds for recovery?
If no. Lawsuit dies.
If yes. Move on to next stages.

[vital blaze]

is kwite a youtuber too?

[grizzled charm]

Just because your right doesnt mean youll win a legal fight

[agile verge]

But you can be the source of those facts.

[neat talon]

So with civil cases for them to basically go anywhere you need some form of evidence before you can do a discovery request, criminal cases if it passes the grand jury it's on.

At trial civil cases are determined by a preponderance of the evidence, AKA is it more than 50% likely.
Criminal cases on the other hand are based on beyond A reasonable doubt a very strict standard which jury members don't generally follow in reality.

[cobalt trench]

Yes, he was a very popular youtuber who got hit with some major false accusations about s misconduct (cant say word or bot mutes)

[clever plank]

you don't really need that much

[vital blaze]

ahh I see ok

[cobalt trench]

People like @clever plank decided to completely ruin his life and cancel him due to the false evidence

Till he eventually made a huge video about it clearing himself compeltely

[dusky seal]

I'm generalizing and trying to make you understand why some of the things you're saying are cruel. Imagine a situation where someone actually did have horrible things happen to them this way. They should be documenting it right away? Should be going to the police right away? Should run down to the court house? In that situation it's incredibly difficult, and most people want to push the traumatic thing that happened to them as far out of their brain as possible.

Saying things like "she didn't go to court, she went to twitter" is broadly victim blaming, and it's dangerous.

[neat kiln]

what would she get? what if she doesn't care for or want the money. Just wants people to know

[neat talon]

If she has a journal with documented times of when each incident happened, and who she talked with that would actually be enough likely to get the case pushed far enough. There's a reason that labor attorneys tell you to write everything down and see see yourself on email and have everything in writing. Because you need that documentation for it to go anywhere in civil court

[vital blaze]

im sure if anythign happened it will be in the lmg emails

[cobalt trench]

Idk but the point is that she is going to twitter to bring awareness to something that she has no evidence of what happened whatsoever

[neat kiln]

court is a long and sloppy battle if someone just wants to say what they want to say and get it out there. court is time lost. money lost while not working. court is tiring.

[cobalt trench]

And is backpedling off a controversy to make her seem more belivable while also getting more attention

[cobalt trench]

Yes thats true

[neat kiln]

not everyone wants to go to court. some just want to get a word out

[cobalt trench]

But you gotta make yourself actually belivable in both scenarios

[clever plank]

not versed on canada labor law but she might be out of time to file

[neat kiln]

and they want to do so when they're brave enough to come forward

[neat talon]

Another point we have to make is I'm basing everything I know on Alaska and Oregon rules of court, British Columbia is likely completely different animal

[clever plank]

dont know in the US what the time period to file on labor disputes is, maybe mooncaller does

probably depends on the state

[cobalt trench]

then that would be entirely her fault lol

[clever plank]

what? no?

not everyone can recognize abuse immediatly

[cobalt trench]

oh no the squad of guilty till proven innocent gave me thumbs down 💀

[neat talon]

To be fair there's sometimes exceptions in the filing times if new evidence has come to light or some such bs.

[cobalt trench]

ah yes

Because its so hard to tell when you are being s assaulted

[clever plank]

awesome strawman, nobody said that LMG was guilty of any wrongdoing

[cobalt trench]

so difficult fr

[agile verge]

The need to have proof, for legal reasons, is the reason that so many people encourage keeping email records, sending confirmation emails when something weird happens, documenting / keeping HR interactions in emails (or at least confirmations of them), BCC'ing an external email if you think something is going south.

It's because the legal system is not about compassion.

[clever plank]

i said the opposite, actually

[cobalt trench]

and yet you argue with me when I said we shouldnt believe her claims unless there is evidence to support it?

get your position straight bro

[clever plank]

you are encouraging completely ignoring her claims

i am not ignoring them

i am waiting for evidence on both sides

[neat kiln]

You "lol"ing at "oh well her fault" is not gud mate

[clever plank]

its a really bad look

[cobalt trench]

How can LTT show evidence of something they didnt do

[neat kiln]

you're making yourself out to be a fucking fool

[cobalt trench]

Its on her to give some evidence

[clever plank]

this is an insane statement

[dusky seal]

I understand that. It's difficult in that situation and you want to push it out of your brain. It's embarrassing to tell anyone. There's so many reasons why that's difficult.

[clever plank]

kwite did it

[warm helm]

There seems to be a lot of taking accusations as facts around this. We need to wait for actual evidence and not a single viewpoint

[bitter heron]

I will say a lot of young people use "lol" like a period, so I don't know if someone's actually laughing (not providing an out or anything)

[clever plank]

your example, kwite made an excellent video discussing what they didnt do

[neat talon]

I will say it's nice to see someone with actual logic

[cobalt trench]

the thing is most people probably dont write things down when there was no reason to

kwite got lucky that he did that

[clever plank]

he didnt he just ctlr-fed his dms

[neat kiln]

I use lol all the time. I don't use lol on "her fault lol" like some ass

[cobalt trench]

do you think i care what you think lol

i use lol bceause its a lol situation

[clever plank]

the thing is you dont know her current situation

[cobalt trench]

yall are arguing for guilty till proven innocent (as I can assume since when I said that is a bad thing you started arguing with me, no matter what you claim afterwards)

[cobalt trench]

ah yes and you do

[clever plank]

there's many reasons why she could have not filed

[bitter heron]

Ultimately none of the public really knows any of the situations truly end to end; it's all what you see presented/replied to.

[cobalt trench]

^

And here is the information I see from all of our unknowing views

[clever plank]

yes this is why im going to keep the allegations in mind until evidence supporting or contradicting is brought up

[restive rain]

We should stop arguing over something we don’t have all the details about

It’s not going to go anywhere.

[agile verge]

I get it.
It's difficult. It sucks.
But the real world is not kind.
And if you want to protect yourself against it... you need to be prepared to do so.

[bitter heron]

Yeah if you want to argue go into public chat

[neat kiln]

I wish I could just hide all blocked messages

[restive rain]

Just wait for ltts findings to come out

[cobalt trench]

A day after she makes a claim with no evidence about S misconduct among other things. She has no one in the company agreeing with her and made the post a day after the controversy

I stated that unless she has evidence this should not be used against LTT, then some clowns wanted to argue against that

You cant claim that you had no intention of using this against LTT while arguing with my point that we shouldnt use it against LTT

[clever plank]

i will give you credit and say there are a lot of people who are doing the classic internet guilty-before-innocent thing

but im not

so your fight is not with me

[bitter heron]

An interesting thought I had though; I don't know how the ownership works around discord servers. Since they're free for anyone to create (unless you add nitro features) - who owns the content. This is an LTT discord; with active employees either actively lurking, or just ignoring for their own mental health; but an interesting thought that all of these conversations are happening here.

I also don't know where the data is stored, who can export it, things like that.

[clever plank]

ownership of content is probably buried in discord's tos

[vital blaze]

has anyone ever seen ltt reply to anything other than the store ppl

in discord

[neat talon]

The thing is allegations like this should be taken seriously, now I think the companies actually doing the correct thing. Which is saying a lot they're not burying this like a lot of companies do.

Now no one should have punishment until the allegations are proven to be true. And if they're proven to be false then an apology should have to be given. But if it's inconclusive then that's it no punishment and no apology

[neat kiln]

There's been quite a few things discussed here. linus understands that if they deleted anything then the community would hold them accountable

[clever plank]

no and for the best, for most of these things all responses are met with criticism

[agile verge]

To the best of my knowledge it is stored by Discord on their servers.
I do not think that Discord has provisions for you owning you data the way Teams does for Enterprise users.

[vital blaze]

oh i mean b4 all this even

[bitter heron]

But considering people post all manner of their privat lives on social media, I'm probably just old and would get labeled a boomer (even though that term is for "baby boomers" which fit into a certain age range, of which I'm not in - saw a thing today where 10-20 somethings call anyone 30+ a boomer, which isn't correct)

[neat kiln]

I don't believe discord actually stores all message content. especially deleted

[cobalt trench]

My arguemnt is against the people who are painting LTT to be a bad corporation based on these claims. If that is not you then im not against you

[clever plank]

discord stores everything except deleted messages

i dont think its e2e encrypted anymore

[agile verge]

I get accused of being a "boomer" and I'm mid 30s...

[bitter heron]

I'm older then Linus, so I'm probably also a boomer (not boomer)

[dusky seal]

Right, not having documented evidence soon after the event won't help in our legal system down the road. Life is hard. Just saying that situation is not easy and there are many reasons why this documentation does not happen right away.

[agile verge]

I'm not so sure.
My spouse was applying for some big data analytics jobs at Discord.
And the only real big data I would assume they have is messages.

[neat talon]

I'm going to be honest there's plenty aside from the Madison claims that paints lmg a bad company at the moment.

[clever plank]

luckally the digital age is making it easier to document these things

i sound 70 in that message

[vital blaze]

if theres anything then im sure its in those complaints madison filed im sure lmg has a record of those things

[cobalt trench]

In my opinion, a bad company no. A company that went too fast and had some misscommunication, yes

[clever plank]

CCTV footage namely

they probably dont store it that long though

[cobalt trench]

Unless Madison has evidence to her claims i still feel that LTT's values are still good and well intentioned

[neat kiln]

cctv might be stores for a few months or something

[vital blaze]

ya i doubt they will have 2 yr+ old cctv footage

[bitter heron]

I'm also intrigued (not shifting blame or anything) by the trend to blame an entire company for an action. Could their be a culture / exec / systematic problem? Of course; but did 100+ people all do a bad thing?

I also like to look at all the items a person owns and cherishes and say "do you know where that was made? The opinions of the company owner that made your thing? the overseas factory that made your thing? the transporter who moved a palette of it to your local store?".

[neat kiln]

but with hom many cameras they have its likely not to last

[agile verge]

What would be pretty damning, in my opinion, is if the third-party does an audit of LMG, finds loose retention policies and that some chains magically went away.

[neat talon]

I agree they're well-intentioned, but I think the values have been twisted and skewed.

[clever plank]

well the thing is that the company is its own sort of entity

[agile verge]

Cause that would be a properly bad day.

[bitter heron]

As someone who had to set that up in a prior life, you'd be correct. Typical archival request from auditors/compliance folks in 30 days+.

[vital blaze]

ya that would def be a track to folow there

[clever plank]

so i dont consider the actions of the company to be the exact same actions as someone like Jake

[agile verge]

Well, to be fair, the problem is usually who knew what when, and what did they do about it?

[bitter heron]

mm

True

[neat talon]

That would be pretty damning, but in a legal context that wouldn't give her legs stand on them sure right?

[vital blaze]

that would be suspect id think

[clever plank]

before he gives an excellent opinion, ima say no

might be wrong

[vital blaze]

but ih ave no idea legally lol

[cobalt trench]

Personally I wouldn't consider accidently not sending an email and rushing during some card launches as their values twisting, but if you do so then you do you ig

[bitter heron]

I am waiting to see what the investigations find. I've assisted with gathering info for a bunch of those (not the same scenario but similar "employee did a thing") and it's very sensitve, unpleasant work.

[clever plank]

its suspect but they cant really prove that its exactly relating to that?

[neat kiln]

I don't think Madison wants to sue. or to bother

[cobalt trench]

severity can be objective

[restive rain]

Well that’s enough for tonight, can’t wait to see what y’all cook up

[bitter heron]

But if it leads to a specific person(s) being let go, that's common - not "this happened, fire the whole company"

[neat talon]

I'm just not super familiar with intentional deletion of data in a civil case. I believe it's illegal to do it if there's a subpoena out but I might be mistaken on that

[agile verge]

No. She has enough for a civil suit already.
Depositions of coworkers would be taken under oath.
So, for example, if she had confided something in Sarah, Sarah would have an awkward deposition telling what she heard and anything she witnessed (I highlight Sarah because someone mentioned a joint stream earlier, implying there may have been a stronger friendship).

[neat talon]

Also is there any data retention laws in Canada

[bitter heron]

Arm chair folks would scream to do that, but the cost/mental stress of something like that is more then people think (I wouldn't know personally)

[clever plank]

im pretty sure all data is free as long as you dont have knowledge of a subpoena

which there isnt one so

[bitter heron]

Not as strictly defined as in the UK (GDPR)

[neat kiln]

its very much more than most people actually want to go through

[bitter heron]

I think a lot of stuf fin life is

[clever plank]

for things like CCTV its gonna be a lot different than like company financial reports though

[vital blaze]

yes sarah was on stream withh her for a painting thing, that would someone be of interest to interview

[bitter heron]

It's very easy to assume/rage on the Internet, but until you've actively gone through it (either directly or indirectly) you really have no idea.

[agile verge]

Most US hospitals keep stuff seven years to indefinitely... That time Iron Mountain had a fire was awkward...

[bitter heron]

It's like when I tell people working at a company is fun, but it's not 24/7 goofing off fun. It's actual put your head down and work, work.

[neat talon]

So in those dispositions I know in America if they refuse to talk in them they can take a negative affirmation I believe from the pleading the fifth because it's a civil case not criminal case. It's been a long time since I've done any of this kind of work though so I might be mistaken

[agile verge]

Depositions would likely cover a significant number of past and present employees who overlapped with her.

[bitter heron]

Like I have great laughs from my 15 years in IT; and I can tell you some awesome stories. But the majority of it is actual effort involving, learning, researching, over time, work.

But people just hear "whoa you got a free computer or a bunch of hoodies/tshirts and PC parts? that's awesome!"

[bitter heron]

And they may also request information exports from email/IM/document repo tools

[agile verge]

Pleading the fifth only applies to if there is a potential for criminal issues.
I don't think anyone, if this were the US, would be able to plead the 5th unless they were an assaulter or had reason to be considered party to an assault.

[clever plank]

correct me if im wrong but all you need to initially get into discovery is standing and actual remediable damages?

am i correct in saying that?

[agile verge]

Yep.

[bitter heron]

I've helped gather a lot of that in my time and seen stuff I'd rather not - it's not a good time.

[agile verge]

You need a pleading.
The pleading will allege a set of facts and law under which, if all the facts are as you allege are true, then you would be entitled to recover under the law.

[clever plank]

alright thanks

[bitter heron]

I feel for all involved, and want to see a just outcome; but the insta-react react/hate/surface level "WHAT YOU SAY!?" is draining this week; at least this room seems to be somewhat open to discussion

And I can't help imagine that most of the humans posting are young enough to be my kids

[neat talon]

I've heard some supreme case rulings on the 5th amendment, it gets pretty hairy when you dig into the weeds of it. I'm pretty sure you can invoke the 5th anytime you feel that you might be implicated in a crime regardless if it's the one that's being investigated.

And in criminal cases they can't take a negative view of that, but it's civil cases they can I believe

[agile verge]

If any part of your pleading fails, or if all the facts as you plead them would not support recovery, then you can get summary judgment then and there, that basically boils down to:
"So what, nothing legally wrong happened."

[bitter heron]

And I'm just like "ugh, when I was your age I was playing Starcraft with my buddies and drinking mountain dew / getting told to get off the dialup internet"

[agile verge]

I played Star Craft and Diablo II on dial up!

[bitter heron]

rad!

I still have my original game boxes

[agile verge]

I recycled those recently...

[bitter heron]

Hmm, they just delayed the stubby screwdriver

[agile verge]

In my last move.

[clever plank]

yea but you can't really use it unless they asked "did you assault this person"

[bitter heron]

it was supposed to come out this week apparently

Wonder how the internet will spin that

[clever plank]

if they ask "was this person assaulted" you would have to answer afaik

[vital blaze]

i also have sc and d2 retail boxes still

[bitter heron]

I have WoW boxes when it was what, 4 DVD's?

[clever plank]

(which is incredibly leading but like you get the point)

[bitter heron]

THe Diablo 1 installer laughs at you when you load it - scared the shit of me when I first set it up (was ~14)

[neat kiln]

Can we get off the weird courts of various places that probably won't ever be involved in this and back to them wild situations

[vital blaze]

really i dont remmeber that now lol

[agile verge]

Uh, no.
Let's leave this.

[clever plank]

sorry its just interesting (is a better word)* to talk about it

[neat kiln]

Or. If there is a wan this week. Any news that would fit

[clever plank]

im going into law after undergrad so i take interest in it

[vital blaze]

its the WAN show featuring chat discord instead

[neat talon]

Yeah invoking the fifth is complicated as all hell, it's one of those things where if you're talking to cops you really shouldn't ever say anything. And that's just because of the way the rules of evidence work. But I'm very unfamiliar with depositions, I never dealt with them when I worked at a law firm as a legal administrative Assistant.

Anyways enough of the law stuff this happened in Canada anyways

[vital blaze]

while lmg is taking theh week off

[clever plank]

real

doubt they'll do a wan show

[vital blaze]

i also doubt

[agile verge]

I had Diablo II running on a Hewlett Packard 486 with upgraded RAM and running Windows 95 (it started with Windows 3.1).

[neat kiln]

I feel like a wan could be appropriate. But at the same time they did say the company taking off for a week

[vital blaze]

i think linus is too raw for a wan show

now

[bitter heron]

I was on a Dell T450 Pentium III 450 Mhz at the time for D2. That computer still runs, it was a headless linux jumpbox I left in my Dad's basement so I could do tech support

[cobalt trench]

they mainly said production videos so i hope they still do a wan show

[neat kiln]

Well. Wan is still days away

2 business days

[cobalt trench]

i think radio silence for a week woudlnt rlly be that good tbh

[bitter heron]

He finally stopped using it maybe 2-3 years ago. A few part replacements; that Dell ran for 20+ years

[clever plank]

if i was them i wouldnt do a wan

but thats just me

[bitter heron]

I feel like a WAN would just be awkward at this point

[cobalt trench]

could go either way ig

[bitter heron]

And I don't really care about the streak given teh current situation

[cobalt trench]

some 1 to 1 linus would be nice to hear tho in my opinion

[vital blaze]

linus needs a break and perspective

[bitter heron]

Unless it's a WAN where Dan gets the whole show to do something nerdy

[neat kiln]

If I was them I think I would to break some tension and not have an immediate happy go lucky video be the first thing to hit the channel

[clever plank]

i mean thats kinda why they're in this mess

love linus but he can really pop off

[cobalt trench]

true

[vital blaze]

thats why needs a break hes very wound up

[agile verge]

We also had a custom built Pentium II 450 MHz (I used the graphite hack to get it to around 800 MHz) running 768 MB of RAM and had both a Voodoo Banshee and a 3D accelerator as the main rig.
My dad had a copy of AutoCAD that he could run at home, so the machine was beefy.

[worn cypress]

they'll bring in a PR team and wan show will happen with carefully chosen words. Thats my bet anyway

[bitter heron]

I woldn't be surprised if Linus/the execs got some actual management training (not like "haha you have to go!" or "you better go (rage)" - but honest, level head training on how to be better business leaders).

[clever plank]

especially because people are really pissed off about their appology video having like 3 jokes in it

[agile verge]

But man, I remember the first Athlon XP we had...

[bitter heron]

I have a Voodoo3!

[cobalt trench]

ugh thats one of my fears

[bitter heron]

Loved that thing, but dell shipped it passive so it overheated 😦

[agile verge]

And then Athlon 64...

[cobalt trench]

ill be very sad if ltt becomes more corperate out of all of this

[bitter heron]

There is some benefit to the corporate stuff though

[clever plank]

again maybe they should at least on the backend

[bitter heron]

as dry as it may be

[cobalt trench]

ye backend

[vital blaze]

they very well have to be if they keep hiring more ppl

[cobalt trench]

but linus saying some stupid stuff keeps him real in my opinion

[worn cypress]

did you see the process/procedures and the flowcharts? ... its like they're following that stupid ISO9000 process that kills everything

[bitter heron]

I know from first hand experience; the more people you have; the more chance of hiring someone who either directly causes issues, or ends up doing something they shouldn't at work

It's just ratios

[agile verge]

I had a desktop with an Opteron 185 for college with 4 GB of RAM and I was running Windows XP Pro x64 for a while (was fun, I had to rewrite some of the drivers).

[cobalt trench]

ye backend would def need work

as most agree upon

[bitter heron]

College for me was a beast of a machine. Dual 3.06 Ghz Xeon's (Prestmore? Something like that?) - 2GB RAM, 1x36GB 10K WD Raptoer, 2x120GB IBM 7200RPM's, a 4xDVDRW drive (regret, it cost me $400) and an ATI Radeon 128

[worn cypress]

(sorry I worked at a mom & pop that went through incorporation and onto multiple corporate overlords... I see this shit and it makes me crazy)

[bitter heron]

I sold that machine to a friend 6-7 years after I had it built for $8-900 though so can't complain

[agile verge]

Yeah... this may not be a popular opinion, but when they announced the hiring of Madison, based on the build video they had with her, I definitely raised eyebrows.
Granted, LMG company culture is very different than what I have worked in... but I would not have made the same choice.

[bitter heron]

I started at a M&P w/ 60 people that grew to 450 before being bought by 20K+ sized, I have seen all of this. Some folks don't like it and leave (they want startup chaos vibes for life)

[clever plank]

honestly really hope they do turn around

[bitter heron]

But some processes legitimately help in positive ways

[clever plank]

not only because i like the content but it'd be devistating for like 100+ people if it went under

[bitter heron]

I've seen process actually stop people from overworking because they don't know how to stop doing it themselves

[agile verge]

I never did the WD Raptors.
I did have the WD RE2 and RE4 drives though.
I was running raid 1.

Also, at one point I had crossfire X1950 XTX cards.

[worn cypress]

and I had to rewrite huge sections of process documentation because we mistakenly chose words that could be searched/found/easily accessed lol...

[agile verge]

(Yes, I had the Crossfire with the cable out the back connecting the two cards... not all my decisions were great.)

[bitter heron]

Nice!, I dual booted Win98SE and Win2000Pro on that, I was on 2000, my Dad joined a few months in wanting in on "the good side"

[vital blaze]

ya true it seemed like they gave-in to the audience for that?

[bitter heron]

Actually no, I did tha ton the Pentium III Dell!

Oh good memories

[bitter heron]

I helped write some of our first BCP and man while I could talk to the tech stuff, I was not ready for the process wording, thank goodness we got help the second year

[agile verge]

Yes, it did appear that way to me.
It seemed like a "you asked for this, so we did this".
And my problem is, especially as highlighted now, I do not think they were a mature enough company to do that AT ALL.

[bitter heron]

But the first year of PCI / NIST / ISO / SOC2 is woooooooooooork

[solemn terrace]

i agree with daphoid, make this week wan show Luke and some random team members with no management just hop on into the show and nerd out about stupid shit

would be a fire stream

[agile verge]

I spent the last 4 years heavily working on our New Hire Training for our product support department.
Now I'm working on much bigger things...

[clever plank]

i'd enjoy it but it'd be met with so much backlash

people got mad over the lttstore.com joke

having staff galavanting on stream would sink them

[agile verge]

Yeah, this is TREAD VERY CAREFULLY week.

(If at all.)

[bitter heron]

Yep

Like joke to ease tension is a pretty common thing to do.

But again you can't please everyone, ever.

And a youtube company just lets 15 million people thing they can dictate every step

[solemn terrace]

oop

that broke some rule

[agile verge]

Don't get me wrong, I love WAN show...
But at the same time... I like LMG existing more than I like WAN show, and this week may be a bad option for WAN show.

[clever plank]

the thing is that the response video was over editorial/ethical concerns

[solemn terrace]

i said the s word involving adult activities

[bitter heron]

I just think about how many people at the company that had nothing to do with any of this and are just doing their job

[clever plank]

the problem people have now is S allagations

[agile verge]

I got hit for that too earlier!

[cobalt trench]

there always has to be S alligations 😔

[bitter heron]

The other thing with being so directly internet facing is the moment you release a video/statement and something eles comes to light 3 minutes after, you get destroyed for not mentioning that

Non media facing companies do not reply that fast

Or with that much direct commentary

[clever plank]

yea like the destiny 2 OST controversy

[bitter heron]

If something happened at IBM you probably wouldn't even hear about it - or if you did you'd get a boiler plate legal no comment

[clever plank]

it took bungee forever to respond the the copyright takedowns

[worn cypress]

next crisis - new ceo cuts off linus' computer account 🙂

[agile verge]

Honestly, they would have faired a little bit better, in my opion, if Linus had not responded to Steve's allegations until they had the corporate video ready.

[bitter heron]

People just have this hyper inflated view that because they "know" or are "friends" with the hosts (parasocial) that they deserve instant answers / replies / acks to every single thing

[dusky seal]

I wonder if luke is enjoying this crisis as much as he enjoyed the hack

[worn cypress]

big red panic button on his desk locks linus out of password manager lol

[bitter heron]

Correct; the forum post was not well thought out and very off the cuff

[cobalt trench]

ye def

[agile verge]

I would not be surprised. I speculated on this earlier myself.

[clever plank]

trying to separate sell vs auction comes to mind

[dusky seal]

that would make me happy at least lol

[clever plank]

i think he was trying to say "we didnt sell it for our own money we did a charity auction" but nobody making videos picked up on that at all (some of which i think is intentional)

[bitter heron]

THe forum and reddit sub are disasters like the comments (at least on the surface)

Oh yeah

100%

People aren't reacting because their fans demand they do

they're doing it because it's drama / views

[agile verge]

But PR problems caused by your bestie running his mouth again are very different than technical fires...
So I could very well see Luke not enjoying this.

[bitter heron]

i.e did anyone really need craft computing talking head video today?

Want, maybe.

Mind? Probably not.

But outright need? Doubtful.

[vital blaze]

amongst several others lol

[bitter heron]

Agreed

[dusky seal]

he doesn't deserve this 😦 .. yea... different kind of crisis for sure

[bitter heron]

I'm as disappointed by the mob reactions as I am the company actions to be honest

But again, small children, I expect nothing

[vital blaze]

ya the mob doesnt help anyone

[bitter heron]

Yep, I heard somewhere mob's have the intelligence of a 5 year old

Sounds pretty accurate

[vital blaze]

sounds about right

[agile verge]

I'm always a little disappointed that Linus seems to expect anything more from the internet though.

[cobalt trench]

intillegence means you can form your own views

mobs dont do that

[bitter heron]

Mob just strikes me as the new coworker trying to sound smart about installing RAM but has never seen it in his life (random example) when I install RAM all day.

[dusky seal]

I wish he just took the L. He didn't need to admit everything at all. Just leave it at "I messed up and am committed to doing better".

[dreamy pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/men-in-black-will-smith-tommy-lee-jones-people-are-dumb-dumb-gif-16732732

[clever plank]

i mean he kind of did that

[bitter heron]

I learned early in my career that while I thought I was pretty tech savvy and capable (and I was, for the time) - there were people working with me with 10-20 years more XP that I could not and should not try to BS.

[cobalt trench]

fr

[vital blaze]

hes just too wound up and needs a serious break

[dusky seal]

his forum post certainly didn't sound like that

[cobalt trench]

actually thats a good quote

[clever plank]

no it didnt but the video did

which i dont get why people are mad it was scripted

like do you not think that GN's video was scripted?

[agile verge]

Which is what the corporate video was...

[dusky seal]

I didn't get that impression from his segment in the video either .. he defended himself again soon after his segment started

[cobalt trench]

i think the response vid was good

it was the fourm post that kinda

[bitter heron]

Yeah Steve always has notes

[cobalt trench]

made it worse for him

[bitter heron]

every time

right on old school paper

[clever plank]

i found it interesting that they buried linus at the end

[dusky seal]

I didn't see it that way

[vital blaze]

ya hes too hairline trigger

[bitter heron]

I'm kind of glad they did

I was almost expecting them to say he was taking some time off and getting formal training or help or something

not in a "get that guy out of here pitchforks rage mob" but genuine caring help

[clever plank]

well the thing is thats "not his job anymore"

[cobalt trench]

tbh maybe they just didnt want to blame it solely on linus which is why they left it more to the end

from the apology vid it seems like it was the employee that made the mistake on the billets lab situation

[bitter heron]

I was suprised to see as many of the leadership folks in the video

[agile verge]

This isn't the first time he's failed to take an L.
I would believe, from multiple occasions, that there is a bit of ego about Linus where taking an L is not easy for him.
I don't take L's well either, I'm very hard on myself.

[cobalt trench]

but since linus is the face of the company all the blame for everything got put on him solely

[clever plank]

linus' only personal fault was how he responded

[dusky seal]

I guess it would have been different for me if Linus came out first. It felt like everyone else was taking the fall first. I think that's just cause my biggest upset personally with the whole thing was Linus' response on the forum. The video would have been great if that post didn't happen. To me anyway.

[clever plank]

the other problems are systematic so they're the companies fault more than anything

[bitter heron]

Yeah, but I've learned over the years that even if you fuck up - unless it's directly solely your fault and you get fired; if it's a mistake, your manager/team leader will take a hit too

[clever plank]

yea it was interesting how they put the brand new CEO up first

[bitter heron]

Maybe to appease the "get linus out of being in charge" folks?

[clever plank]

but the problem is that he really isnt

[bitter heron]

Like "Hey, I'm a business guy , I will make this better business"

[dusky seal]

I still just felt like Linus was still defensive in his segment. He soon went into "this is really hard", then started defending himself.

[cobalt trench]

lol i can only imagine the hate linus would recieve if he fired anyone

that would be a whole other storm right there

[clever plank]

hes still the sole proprietor as far as i know?

[dusky seal]

He did great at least.. how difficult to introduce yourself in these circumstances. I kept wondering about his first introduction as CEO. Did not imagine this lol

[bitter heron]

Yvonne owns half I think

[clever plank]

if anything he owns the majority of the company

[clever plank]

yea but they're married so that gets weird

[bitter heron]

Yeah

I'm not sure how company ownership works with spouses

I bet Colton owns a bit as a sorry for firing you bro

[agile verge]

Well, unless it is over S misconduct relating to Madison.
That can and should be tepidly applauded (tepidly, because it is late).

[bitter heron]

And Jake will get some when he turns 18

[dusky seal]

I think it's 49% but if they got divorced it'd be 50/50. Linus wanted the majority share just.. cause..

I think that's the gist of what he said anyway

[bitter heron]

mm

[agile verge]

There are very strong reasons why every attorney worth their salt would have told Linus to own 51%.

[clever plank]

depends on how the company is structured

[vital blaze]

ya for sure. I think hes just been going straight for too long, his forum post suggested to me hes also wound up so tight he felt he had to react right away instead of deliverying somethhing more comprehensive and thoughtful and def ego influenced. feels like its a buildup over the years

[dusky seal]

Oh I'm not aware of that. From what he said too he made it sound more like a pride thing. Maybe it was legally motivated.

[clever plank]

okay their website says they are incorporated

[agile verge]

It may be a pride thing... I don't know... But there are good legal reasons.

[dusky seal]

That's interesting to know

[bitter heron]

Even if an employee did something and it was 100% solely their doing, Linus would still take it personally I suspect

[cobalt trench]

Ye, the issue is the way madison framed it she made it sound like there was many people taking part in it from what i heard

so like

[bitter heron]

Well "Many" could be let's say 10 people that sat in her vacinity at work; that's 10% of the workforce (again, not trying to dismiss any potential claims or anything)

[agile verge]

I feel like this is letting Linus off the hook a bit too much.
No excuses from my end.
Linus has an ego problem where he takes these things personally when he really should be acting more corporate, the fact that he doesn't and LMG is as big as it is, is a liability.

Hopefully the new CEO helps with some of this.

[bitter heron]

Agreed

[clever plank]

i mean i dont know if it will fix it because linus is the chief spokesperson for LMG

and that kinda cant change

[bitter heron]

Like when things happen at Apple, is every one of those Tim COok's fault?

[clever plank]

it might help backend problems

[bitter heron]

That's a good point, being the face of things constantly has an impact

and the in joke about it all being linus' money (which he's said a few times is just a joke the staff have that he rolls with) - and now people are turning that negative too

[vital blaze]

thing is idk how linus was 5 years ago but I def know what its like to keep going and going and it will affect your perspective if you dont take a step back once in awhile

[cobalt trench]

personally i think thats just some stupid reddit people getting offended by nothing

i found it kinda ridiculous for people to get mad over that

[dusky seal]

I wouldn't think of it as an excuse but it's understandable why he's having an emotional and defensive reaction. I don't handle criticism well either and I don't have massive success, millions of dollars, and a huge fan base. All of those things have to muddy all the waters. Anybody would get a bit out of touch.

[clever plank]

thats the problem with lmg fundamentally

lmg is linus

[twin oyster]

My question, because I guess I just don’t fully understand, is why/how did this whole thing blow up so fast? It seemed like one moment I was enjoying my LTT upload, next thing I see in the comments is people accusing/yelling(?) about stuff. I know Labs has had some growing pains, but I had no idea it was THIS bad/such a big problem

[clever plank]

there's not a real way for people to seperate him from the company

so company fault = his fault in people's eyes*

[cobalt trench]

ye

[clever plank]

which sucks but that's how these things tend to work out

you dont see people that often going "man im really mad at Satya Nadella for windows 11"

they say microsoft

and thats not exactly the same thing but you get the point

[vital blaze]

it was through the GN video that lit this all up lol and then linus replied far too soon before he was ready to

[agile verge]

Easy.
The internet loves the controversy.
People love seeing the big guy fall.

[clever plank]

GN made a pretty good video honestly with some good constructive criticism

[dusky seal]

do you think it'd be as big without linus' forum response?

[clever plank]

but youtube isnt used to that so people took that as mudslinging fuel

[agile verge]

It was big before Linus' response.
It was snowballing.
Linus' response was not great.
I'm pretty sure Steve would have found a way to take a swipe at any response (keep in mind, this is content for him).

[dusky seal]

I think people feeling like linus/GN are buddies maybe made more of an impact too.

[clever plank]

i mean they were

[dusky seal]

That's true, makes sense

[clever plank]

they might still be, you never know

[ionic spoke]

Many still blame Bill Gates

[clever plank]

yea but that's the face of the company

[agile verge]

I mean, look at Steve's follow up, he ignored all the growing pain stuff and hammered the Billet Labs thing, which at that point was now being handled by the owner.

[clever plank]

newer companies are like that

but its not "bill gates software inc"

[vital blaze]

ya and this all stemmed from the LTX video lol

[dusky seal]

That's true, that was enough content already

[vital blaze]

direct from a Labs tour lol

[dusky seal]

Ooh do you guys think that the lab comment sparked this? or that it would have happened anyway?

[vital blaze]

if that comment was it made would this GN video even have been made idk

[dusky seal]

jinx

[vital blaze]

lol

[dusky seal]

lol

[vital blaze]

hard to say he did have a previous vid saying they were going to treat ltt like any other company from now on

[clever plank]

honestly good because they are

[dusky seal]

Oh that's interesting, I didn't know that

[clever plank]

they're a large media company now

[dusky seal]

true

[vital blaze]

steve was probably banking vids for months already

theyre not large

[dusky seal]

Oh that's also true.. I'm sure it was a lot of work

[cobalt trench]

gn still def should have reached out to LTT before making the vid if they wanted to present themselves as friendly

[vital blaze]

they have a big sub base but they are a SMB

[cobalt trench]

not saying GN was in the wrong for posting the vid

but we cant act like it wasnt kinda a backstab

[agile verge]

Labs are an existential threat to GN...
I mean, as numerous people in here have commented, what Steve does best is objective testing.
He is not particularly charismatic.
He talks rather fast and does not speak all that clearly at times...

[vital blaze]

small to medium size business is what LMG is

[clever plank]

it wasnt really a backstab, its all public knowledge

its just a summary of what was already known

[vital blaze]

that is what GN i think is getting really wrong about all this

[agile verge]

Steve's main content driver is his VERY thorough testing.

[clever plank]

it'd be a backstab if they leaked something that wasnt public

[cobalt trench]

well for instance the billet labs situation was blown way out of proportion

[simple mountain]

Why is this stuff all public........ shouldnt it all be between companies / internal HR...........

I just wanna watch my LTT and WAN show 😭

[cobalt trench]

if GN reached out beforehand he woudl have known it was a misscoummuncation issue

[dusky seal]

I agree.. they didn't need to agree to change anything or even listen. Just saying something would have been a way to make it feel much less like a back stab.

[cobalt trench]

but lots of people believed LTT was a horrible/evil company due to that

[clever plank]

well the faults people get on were published publically

[cobalt trench]

exactly

[crude sandal]

kinda same with the Asus bios warranty thing too, he ripped into them... Linus actually talked to them and found out the issue

[simple mountain]

WAN show this week may just literately be a luke exclusive AI chat then.......

[cobalt trench]

fr

[clever plank]

wan show this week wont happen hopefully

[agile verge]

As I said earlier, Steve made a mountain out of a boilerplate language mole hill when it came to Asus, and then seemed to repeatedly pick that bone with LMG.

[cobalt trench]

ye steve should have some accountability when it comes to that

[dusky seal]

nooo!! I want it to happen.. why don't you want it to?

[cobalt trench]

he kinda acted like he didnt need to in his follow up to the ltt video

[vital blaze]

but steve has to wrangle his mob drones

[cobalt trench]

actually i think he explictely said it

[cobalt trench]

ye

he knew what he was doing

[clever plank]

1. they are goofy with it, people explode
2. they are really serious with it, it'll be dry and people will still explode

[simple mountain]

.........for the greater good...........

(i want it but yeh maybe - let things cool)

[cobalt trench]

idk whats worse tbh

[agile verge]

Keep in mind, I'm not sure I'm thrilled with Jays response on the matter either.
Felt like J2C was bandwagoning a bit...

[clever plank]

anything they say or publish will be met with criticism

[cobalt trench]

wan show or radio silence

[vital blaze]

yesss

[spice flax]

I mean they did say to cease any video production for a week in favor of internal housekeeping

[clever plank]

they said they were going to do radio silence

[spice flax]

which should include WAN show

[cobalt trench]

i saw on a gamelinked post that they referred to gamelink not happening because it was a produced show, I feel like they said that intentionally incase a wan show or some other stream happened

idk for sure tho

[spice flax]

Probably Next Week's WAN will be the results of said internal housekeeping hopefully

[dusky seal]

I can understand if they're still too traumatized/tired/angry/etc from this week to be able to hold it together.. I think I'm just still holding out for the genuine response, or rather the response I wanted

[dusky seal]

Ohh what did Jay say? I couldn't find his comment on the GN video

[spice flax]

Because anything they produce/upload now will be causing any sizeable blacklash which includes WAN this week I afraid

[dusky seal]

Oh that's an interesting point

[clever plank]

all i really want to see is that 3rd party audit and like ongoing progress reports on their proceses changing

[cobalt trench]

just a thought

[agile verge]

Not on the recent GN video, I'm referring to Jays video about Asus.

[dusky seal]

Ohh okay, thanks

[agile verge]

Anyways, I saw someone circulate one of these with Steve's face and Newegg, Asus, and LMG.

[dusky seal]

I feel like one week of mapping out processes, making flow charts, and whatnot isn't gonna do much good... I think maybe it'll help reset everyone's systems which will be nice. Just an ongoing change though of finding a way to fit in impactful process improvement sounds better than a one week reset.

[agile verge]

And I kind of feel at this point Steve has a bit of a complex but is getting sloppier in his execution.

[spice flax]

ahh yes Gigabyte with their exploding PSUs and NZXT's H1 version 1

[vital blaze]

ya real results would be like 1 month of no errors on graphs of their videos

[cobalt trench]

dw guys through all this marques remains pure

[clever plank]

im really hoping they bring on some more executive officers because it seems a lot of departments have some odd intersections

which is how something like the BL cooler getting auctioned happened it seems

making management more efficient might help with that

[spice flax]

tbh they chalked it off as miscommunication issues when in reality Linus just doesn't want the product to exist since it is not viable to the mass consumer or so he claims in the forum post

[agile verge]

Flowcharts are fine, if they:
A) Can be followed.
B) People are held accountable for following them.

[clever plank]

but its hard to know exactly how efficient it is already so who knows

[agile verge]

But all that involves training at the employee, manager, etc. level.

And having auditing processes.

[spice flax]

He then doubled and triple it down that he just does not like the concept of the product

[dusky seal]

Totally! .. sounds like something that would take longer than one week though to ensure the next 3 are perfect. I've done some quality improvement stuff at work, one of the main points was that weekly meetings were necessary for quality processes. That way you have 52 chances a year to improve, as opposed to 12 if you did monthly meetings.

[cobalt trench]

i think most of the issues were just misscommunication

[dusky seal]

Absolutely! even if on a contract basis.. The BL cooler thing is baffling and such a shame

[clever plank]

it'd be fine to say "yea i think personally this is a ridiculous product" if they bothered to test it right

[spice flax]

I mean BL was already on the course to make it case friendly

[clever plank]

just because something is like extreme doesnt mean it doesnt work

[spice flax]

It is a prototype

it was just supposed to be for testing

[clever plank]

you can say "this is not practical at all but it works"

but they said "this hardly works and isnt practical"

at least thats how i remember that video

[spice flax]

and they could just add in the video that BL is making a case friendly version of the cooler down in the line

Yeah that video it was just pure user error to get the results

[clever plank]

did they know that though?

[spice flax]

if they communicated properly beforehand

[clever plank]

did i miss something or did they not address the mouse thing in the video?

[spice flax]

nope they addressed it in the SC video

apparently

in the pinned comments

but still botched it

[spice flax]

the thing is they are already in emails talking about the product so why not bother asking if they are going to make a case friendly version of the product even if it is a bespoke maker/luxury cooling maker because of a very high priced 2-in-1 solution for water cooling

it is an interesting product per say but having a bunch of user errors and forcefully testing with the wrong gpu at the start just really shows linus does not care about testing a product seriously if he does not like it at the beginning, and he could have rejected the thing all together to prevent this kind of major f-up immediately about Tripling down on talking crap about the product that was never even tested properly

[bitter heron]

A week is enough time to build the initial plan for said process development

and all hands meetings eventually become only useful for some and not the best way to disceminate info.

[wanton token]

my main problem with steve recently is

it feels like he is trying to stepping into the "dank" with recent nvdia edit

which is just beating a dead horse

and sometimes presenting opinions and speculations as fact

also steve really should've posted link to linus full reply in the description, to make people wanna read the whole thing read the thing instead of having to search for it when he prizes himself as "getting the truth to the viewer"

this is all my personal opinion, i still highly respect steve in his case, cooler and all hardware reviews, they are still objectivly some of the highest quality testing on youtube

[fair barn]

This week's wan show is gonna be one hell of a show

[wanton token]

btw yeah i think wan show probably still gonna happen this week

[fair barn]

If so the viewership is gonna be through the roof

This week's wan show should not have any merch message, sponsorships, or any other monetization

[wanton token]

i think sponsorships might be on pause, but mearch messages probably will still be there

[spice flax]

I don't think they might not even continue WAN this week

it is a video production podcast which kinda falls in video production

and they did say to cease any video production for 1 week for internal housekeeping

which wanshow falls into the video production category as part of their 25+ videos a week upload schedule

and after the Madison allegations come out and which Colin also kind of confirming the legitimacy I am pretty sure they cannot upload or held any livestreams for now until they can sort the allegations through then address every single bit by next week's WAN which includes the end results of the housekeeping, thorough internal investigation by the third party, and what to do moving forward

[civic plume]

I think they shouldnt have merch messages. It will be seen as in poor taste. They could open the system so anyone can send one without buying anything

If WAN takes place this week, that is. Which i have a feeling it wont

[wanton token]

thats a alternative route

but then that would open a floodgate of mesages

which dan defo cant filter through

[civic plume]

Maybe they should stick to chat then?

[spice flax]

The thing is they have to remain silent as in literally silent for now until investigations are finished so

[civic plume]

Im not sure whats the best way to handle it

[spice flax]

that means pretty much no WAN this week either

[civic plume]

About the Madison situation yes. The rest of it, nope

[spice flax]

but 1 week of production pause though

[civic plume]

Yep. It’s extremely unlikely we get a Wan this week

[spice flax]

yeah

[wanton token]

honestly good thing

[spice flax]

that is what I was trying to say, WAN falls into video production since they have to research the topics that are to be discussed in WAN

[wanton token]

on #lttstore the stubby wont be rel this week

i think no wan will happen

[civic plume]

They should def put that on ice for now

[wanton token]

but hey

[civic plume]

Worst time to release a major project like that

[wanton token]

at least i know stubby is coming out

i do wanna get stubby as a travel driver in my bag

if the price is ight

[civic plume]

Would a stubby be allowed on a plane?

[wanton token]

i think so?

since the max a tool can go is 6 inches iirc

[civic plume]

Interesting

[wanton token]

iirc the normal driver barely exceeds that

Tools 7 inches or shorter (measured from end to end when assembled) may be allowed in carry-on baggage. Power tools and all tools longer than 7 inches (measured from end to end when assembled) are prohibited in carry-on baggage; these items must be packed in your checked bags.

oops 7 inches

[civic plume]

I read someones custom ltx driver was taken by the tsa (or equivalent in canada idk) on their way back to the us

[wanton token]

tbf, it still ultimately is on the agent

on tsa terms you should be fine

but agent can say otherwise and i dont think most people will spend the time fight and argue fo rit

[civic plume]

Yeah. It’s difficult to argue with them when youve an expensive flight to catch

Traveling is stressful as it is

[tender prism]

Gamers Nexus definitely wanted to blindside LTT. That kinda makes me question their motive
Did they want to help improve the processes or did they just want to create drama. It's probably a bit of both

[crude sandal]

if he truely wanted to help improve, he should've asked what was already being done to improve

which we already know things were being done, because linus talked about it on wan

[tender prism]

This is the first time I've heard of Gamers Nexus NOT wanting to ask for a comment on their story. It's so weird and it's so suspicious

[wanton token]

GN did include a lot more speculations and opinions than normal as well

[fiery rock]

All some stuff like the patch over I think is fine it is still correct info

[wanton token]

I will not question the motive of steve, as this i am not in his brain and i dont care enough, but i feel like there is a bit of "technically correct fact (but with a bit of a stretch)" in the video

I personally enjoy the hw review (and prebuilt review for pure entertainment) from GN

I feel weekly news should just be a weekly news report instead of opinion driven piece

[fiery rock]

@wanton token you are speaking facs

[wanton token]

Still, I will add, GN's first video did include plenty of criticisms that LMG should take notes and improve upon, and it is very important for the tech tube in general and the channel longevity

[tender prism]

Makes you wonder why Gamers Nexus purposely did not ask or present any of this to Linus or the LTT team at all.

[crude sandal]

#public-chat message

streak is not gonna break

[wanton token]

i guess thats good news and bad news

[crude sandal]

especially when he has the phone and email of linus and others

[tender prism]

Yup that's what makes this hilariously sad. On every other occasion, Gamers Nexus would be begging for a comment, but for some reason they refuse to even reach out to LTT

[stark widget]

Devid Tenant looking dude stepped on hair metal guy's toes, so hair metal guy blows up David Tenant looking dude's spot. I don't watch YouTube but I like the WAN show in podcast format. Selfishly rooting for an outcome that means Linus and Luke keep giving 4 hours of entertainment every Saturday.

[tender prism]

They'll be back sooner than later

[drifting creek]

Maybe they just want the 'final word' aka gospel, and dont want to get into a slugging match

[crude sandal]

and what they caused as a result is a slugging match by having incomplete info and speculation

[empty socket]

I think from what I can tell is gn just didnt want to be seen as a news outlet thats buddies with all the companies they report on so they can be seen as an objective source.
You can see evidence of this in all the previous controversies they have reported on. They have seemed to have been distancing themselved a bit from their fellow youtubers recently

Whether they reported or not there was always going to be a crowd hating on it. Better to be hated for not doing it than doing it and losing credibility.

[cosmic sparrow]

funny how Linus responded to billet exactly 2 hours after the GN video and not before 😂 And then in the apology video he asks GN to warn or speak him before posting something like this

[crude sandal]

did you miss the part where it wasn't linus handling it originally?

and the other part where colton talks about his email fuckup?

[spice flax]

Apparently WAN show continues this friday

oh boi

cannot wait for chat to be in sub mode only

[crude sandal]

twitch chat never mattered anyway

[balmy oriole]

source?

[crude sandal]

@balmy oriole

[marble mica]

I leave for Italy Saturday morning early

WAN SHOW IN CARRR

[wanton token]

i just gonna watch vod on my monday plane

with last weeks wan because i was saving it

[craggy wigeon]

Is there gonna be a wan show this week?

[crude sandal]

suggestion for every chat ever: skim through the immediately visible messages on your screen before asking a question

(the answer for your question is right there ⬆️)

[craggy wigeon]

Fun fact: on mobile I can only see like 5 messages. 2 with the keyboard up

[craggy wigeon]

And where did this info come from?

[crude sandal]

a little bit of scrolling on mobile then

because again, the answer is right there

[crude sandal]

.

[wanton token]

#public-chat message

btw, clicked on the mic video because its in my recommended

the comment section is so fucking funny

from the likes of "LTT have no accountability now"

as if one GN fucking video can change the accountability from whatever it is before to whatever it is after

the accountability is what you give to them

if one video can sway ones opinion i can only feel sorry for the people with said opinion

i have more respect for people who says "i have been shitting on ltt video for years"

at least they are firm on their opinions

sorry for the rant

[balmy oriole]

It's ok. Every channel where you can write about LTT right now is a rant channel

[sullen jolt]

LTT's testing was a joke for a while

but yeah people suddenly going "LTT shit" because tech jesus told them so is funny

[short bobcat]

If you watch LTT for facts and figures, jokes on you 😄

[balmy oriole]

If you rely on any one source for facts and figures*

Then you got room temp superconductor already**

[short bobcat]

and... if you've ever watched any of Madison's streams, you'll know how unhinged she can be

[jovial tapir]

damn

[tiny nimbus]

Thanks, I hate it now

[tiny nimbus]

Steve answered this question in his follow-up video.

Added links for anyone yet to catch up…

Watch (or ignore) GN hit piece 1.
Read Linus’ forum response.
Watch (or ignore) GN hit piece 2.
Watch LMG video 1.
Find and read Madison's allegations.
Maybe read the Verge article.
Definitely read the official LMG statement.

There’s still time for someone to make and submit a WAN Show intro in which everything is on fire - Linus’ boat, Tux, the iceberg, the couch, the white background, the logo, everything

[crude sandal]

[balmy oriole]

this time - the floor IS ACTUALL LAVA

[tiny nimbus]

The volcano in the background sinks into its own pool of lava

[balmy oriole]

but this viloates their comitment not to work

techlinked actually csays there wont be videos at least till wednesday
https://www.youtube.com/@techlinked/community

[tiny nimbus]

Wasn’t the Trust Me Bro “hot takes” intro fan-submitted?

[balmy oriole]

idk

[wanton token]

thats a sick burn

[balmy oriole]

I actually could use some good news these 2 years..

[tiny nimbus]

Wednesday to Wednesday, I’d call that a week

[balmy oriole]

We'll have to see. Anyway for me it's more like very late Wednesday or Thursday morning

[tiny nimbus]

Yup

[balmy oriole]

It is ineteresting that the OP is deleted

[shadow cargo]

Probably best to either not have a wan show or have linus not host this week. They really don't need the press atm

[maiden shadow]

#public-chat message I think they will have wan

[tiny nimbus]

Labs Jake says WAN Show is happening

[pine wolf]

Got a free idea for a nice uncontroversial WAN show - Luke Linus and Dan beat Minecraft together. (I would pay to watch it).

[balmy oriole]

They just need to swap Dan and Linus places for this one

Oh no, that would mean that Linus answers most of messages. Won't do

[maiden shadow]

Just luke and dan would probably be a better idea

[crude sandal]

likely deleted themselves in the reddit protests

[ebon flax]

Morning! Any murder allegations?

Every day something new

[balmy oriole]

not yet (god I hope not)

[neat kiln]

So what has the conversation consisted of over the night

[crude sandal]

the next logical step here is finding out linus killed someone

[balmy oriole]

You think any1 reads what was before? 😄

[neat kiln]

Did the public chat stop invading

[crude sandal]

barely

[tiny nimbus]

Mainly hiring and HR practices in relation to the Madison allegations

[balmy oriole]

I believe there is a significant difference between real work at LTT and what most of people imagine it to be (despite Linus himself and other staff telling - i"t is just a job"). And here is where a lot of drama comes from. It is just a job, not magic land

[merry osprey]

Fwiw, I think doing wan show this week is a BAD idea

[crude sandal]

nah

[odd quiver]

If they do a WAN show I would be very surprised to see Linus.

[modern linden]

Terrible take from Steve. “We don’t have to do things the right way.” This isn’t some scummy corporation you’re reporting on. This isn’t a government position you’re writing about. This is a fellow tech reviewer and everyone he employs who you just indignantly attacked. While your ammo may have been solid your approach and method of delivery is awful and hurtful.

[merry osprey]

GN's video felt well-intentioned to me. He genuinely wanted to encourage Linus to do better. And a big public video is likely the only way he thought he would be noticed.

[tiny nimbus]

I don’t fault Steve for presenting his findings or calling out LTT (again), but the way he went about it was scummy and underhanded

[balmy oriole]

I agree with you, but from different angle. Steve just does not hold himself up to the standars he talks about. Plain and simple

[tiny nimbus]

Gutter journalism

[crude sandal]

which is so ironic in a video that talks about accuracy issues

[merry osprey]

Steve holds himself to pretty high standards.

[modern linden]

And I feel like Linus also trips over his own sometimes so everyone shake hands, agree to do better, show you can do better, and water polo fight out your grievances!

[balmy oriole]

I do not feel the same way. But we do not need to argue it further, we're not reddit 😄

[modern linden]

But but but… 🥺🤣

[merry osprey]

Fair enough. I just want to see LTT do better going forward. I'm not part of the pitchfork brigade.

[ember nimbus]

I think this was a very unfortunate time for everything to be happening at once.

[modern linden]

Everything Everywhere all at once, woah that sounds like a movie title 🤣

[balmy oriole]

No questions there - the changes should be, and I hope will be for good. The fact that they are needed is true

[crude sandal]

this all falls apart with the relevant context that we now have

[teal sun]

coreteks dropped a video calling out Gamers nexus for being hypocritical

https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/15tklkb/coreteks_no_one_is_talking_about_the_real_issue/

[modern linden]

Yeah I know that Steve won the monetary/publicity side with this, but that’s the only piece he won IMO.
LTT might lose some subs, but they’ll bounce back and a year from now we’ll be remarking about how we’re glad this is all over.

[restive rain]

Oh interesting

Will have to watch

[tiny nimbus]

lmao Coreteks’ featured video is a Future of CPUs video entitled “Where do we go from here?”

[teal sun]

i dont like the way he dropped the second video

it wasnt neutral, factual or unbiased in any way

he presented one sided information that ended up being false, and caused Linus to be called a liar and a thief

ironically all he had to do was reach out for comment and wouldve leanred the facts

instead he gaslit us while accusing linus of gaslighting

[crude sandal]

concerning sponsor for that video, but will keep watching for the info

[balmy oriole]

they already have lost over 100k
Do you remember how linus talked about YT algos, and no1 knowing why you have good or bad Dynamics overall? I wonder how this 1week hyetus will affect them... (their stats for 21-22 years are not that good..

[teal sun]

he made a claim that the future is RISC cpus
people laughed at him

and now we have apple silicon dominating intel in some use cases

[restive rain]

And note how he intention didn’t ask Linus for comment because it would have given him a chance to prepare and defend himself

[teal sun]

yeah

[crude sandal]

can't wait to see Ian's video

[balmy oriole]

who is Ian?

[crude sandal]

cutress

the 𝐷𝑟. 𝐼𝑎𝑛 𝐶𝑢𝑡𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑠

[balmy oriole]

I hope this guy?

oh, ok

I wonder why MKBHD didn't say anything

[crude sandal]

it's not been long. people haven't had much time to talk

[balmy oriole]

Well, they all got twitter

[teal sun]

he justified it by claiming linus will manipulate the truth

thats not journalistic integrity unless he can read minds and see the future

[balmy oriole]

Yeah. You cant manipulate facts, that was very cheecky of Svete

[modern linden]

Again, it won’t, especially if they get better from this, we’ll rally around them.

[balmy oriole]

I do hope so, because they are my favorite type of fun+tech content

[vital blaze]

agreed they want all the way to newegg headquarters for their side of the story

and they completely didnt even attempt to get linus' side

[modern linden]

There are sometimes legitimate reasons for not seeking comment, this was far from any of them.

[vital blaze]

double standards

newegg isnt a direct competitor but ltt is

[teal sun]

yeah and the whiteknights ate it all up

[vital blaze]

and newegg definitely ripped off ppl for years and years

[teal sun]

reddit is a shitshow atm

people dissecting everything trying to interpret things negatively

[modern linden]

When isn’t it?

[teal sun]

theyve already made their mind on the madison issue. no truths will matter

[restive rain]

People don’t like how Reddit removed Maddison’s post

[teal sun]

somehow its linus fault. and another conspiracy

[bronze skiff]

Reddit/ Twitter are not acceptable platforms for calling out SA.

[balmy oriole]

judging from the past 2 days people dont like ANYTHING at all

[restive rain]

Wonder how many will say it’s fake/linuses fault if the report comes back in favor of ltt

[modern linden]

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-theory-explaining-gif-13403485

[teal sun]

what they will do is just rollback to the previous most controversial issue to complain about

they move the goalposts hrly

my guess is ceasely complain about the jokes in the apology video how its not perfect

as if it ever would be

[bronze skiff]

Lets go interview all former LTT staff to dig up dirt!

[modern linden]

That’s impressive I wonder if we’ll get minute by minute goalpost updates 🤣

[bronze skiff]

Have we had Brandon's take yet? /s

[teal sun]

inb4 someone takes his neutral satement as confirmation, even if its not

[modern linden]

You laugh but that would have been, more journalistic than what they did lol

[crude sandal]

so far it's him babbling about linus being a fraud for teasing a titan rtx on wan show?

[restive rain]

I wonder how they will do wan this week

Like will they change anything about it

[teal sun]

what id like to see out of all this is who the hell that manager is that madison keeps referring to

they seem to be the centre of all this

[teal sun]

wat really? lol link

[lethal pawn]

You can manipulate data to seem like facts. It's not death, or taxes to be sure...

[crude sandal]

the first half of the video?

[teal sun]

from brandon?

[crude sandal]

what

[modern linden]

Crossing my fingers it’s not someone we know

[crude sandal]

read the reply

[balmy oriole]

oh, have you seen Trumps taxes? Exactly 😄

[bronze skiff]

Once they're named, it's all ogre. The pitchforks have been meticulously sharpened.

[crude sandal]

this has nothing to do with brandon

[teal sun]

oh oops

yeah hes just setting the context in the first half

he goes into specifics in the middle

then goes off on a rant at the end (which i ignored lol)

[bronze skiff]

Oh, sorry, I mean let's interview Max.

[balmy oriole]

where

[crude sandal]

what?

[lethal pawn]

Well, I do want to see it in my pocket, but... I'm on the other side of the pond 🙂

[teal sun]

i replied to his comment in the wrong context

i thought he was talking about brandon, he was talking about the coreteks video

[crude sandal]

none of my messages have anything to do with the current convo, specifically the coreteks video posted above

[bronze skiff]

Just trying to point out the witchhunt continues.

[balmy oriole]

Same here. They are just so funny even I know about them

[crude sandal]

my wallet probably has more money in it than whatever trump paid in tax

[teal sun]

even when all this drama unfolded with one sided information

it was very clear to me it was due to a series of unfortunate events leading to the billet labs issue

a bunch of employee fumbles and not malcious
the community spun it so maliciously it was incredible. fueled by steve who wasnt being really objective

he was basically like "im not saying theyre thieves, but im not not saying it"

if linus had just STFU on wan show about the $300 all wouldve been brushed aside after a day

[crude sandal]

exactly $25.50nzd in my wallet

and 20 of that is to top up my metro card next time I take the bus

[balmy oriole]

Oh, can you meet Gabe and relay a few requests then?

[teal sun]

so the real crime is his shitty attitude on WAN show. and he does desrve flak for that and the crap editorial attitude

aside from Madison issue, the rest is overblown

steve failed to mention Linus already took steps to address crunch and process fixes in an earlier WAN show. how convenient

now its painted as them being reactionary

[crude sandal]

afaik he's somewhere in the north island

[bronze skiff]

happens in bigger companies all the time for much higher amounts. I've seen 10s of thousands of dollars lost due to incompetence.

[teal sun]

yeah i cant believe steve and everyone else didnt apply some common sense and chose the worst unrealistic conclusion for everything

[hard lintel]

I think it's good there's another discord server I'm in that's talking about this. The perspectives are very different

[teal sun]

damnit colton

[lethal pawn]

His attitude on WAN show is the least, not "the real crime".

[restive rain]

What are they saying

[balmy oriole]

Well, they lost 1/52th of their revenue + subs + floatplane subs.. So much more i would guess

[teal sun]

the media will not care lol. they only report on controversies so positive takes will never get reported

LMG will forever be branded as a low quality outlet, with a crunch and toxic workplace

[neat kiln]

I mean. They're likely on this page. https://web.archive.org/web/20210618113001/https://linusmediagroup.com/

[teal sun]

just watch
once labs is fully up and running
the trolls will comment incessantly about the old quality control issues

[teal sun]

they may no longer be employed tho

[restive rain]

That’s why they sent a web archive version of the page

[neat kiln]

That's why I linked an archive link to while Madison was working

[teal sun]

ah right

which manager is most likely to work with Madison

[raven hemlock]

it's an archived page from 2021

[tiny nimbus]

He’s just as pissed off with LTT as with GN, but this line stood out

[teal sun]

yeah this isnt about absolving Linus

its all about the hypocrisy of GN

[neat kiln]

I just finished his video. I think he really could have gone deeper

[lethal pawn]

Auctioning a prototype device happens all the time in bigger companies? GN's video had faults yes, but it's not like that those 45 minutes is garbage.

[bronze skiff]

How about everyone sucks independently? Just choose your suckiest youtube personality and move on with life

[hard lintel]

They're going down the Madison thread of tweets mainly. Talking about these were known problems for a while. I guess the reason I'm grateful it's being talked about in another place is to get more sides of the story. I'm critical of both chats tbh

[neat kiln]

When it comes to sectional allegations in the past, I've stopped watching various creators. Depending on what the investigation shows for LTT and what they do to change it could be the same.

[hardy obsidian]

Well they were originally told to keep the prototype, billet labs only wanted it back because linus didn't like it

And then, IG some mistakes were made in chain, but its a small mishap tbh

[tiny nimbus]

lmao @ Linus implying that Coreteks libelled him

[neat kiln]

Yeah that's pretty shitty

[lethal pawn]

And then they were told 3 times, Billet wants it back. Billet wanted it back, because LTT/LMG/whatever had no plan to use it for another build, like ever.

Of course you would ask your prototype back.

[tiny nimbus]

Letting a well-known tech channel keep it on the basis that future use of a prototype would increase exposure can be budgeted for

[royal scarab]

So... is the streak going to finally break tomorrow? no wan show this week?

[neat kiln]

Overall yeah. Linus might be a disconnected out of touch ego. But at the very least I can trust he's trying to do right by what he believes.

[lethal pawn]

Yes, but according to my knowledge, that basis is (and was) missing. There wasn't even a thought about using it again.

[neat kiln]

I think it was mentioned wan would still happen. But I've no way to verify myself as I haven't seen any direct communications

[royal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/andy-samberg-cool-cool-cool-awkward-brooklyn99-no-doubt-gif-12150372

[balmy oriole]

LTT staff in publich chat said it would

[teal sun]

whats hilarious to me
all these 200k subscribers to gamers nexus are not even gunna watch his videos

aside from the benchmark stuff which is few these days

all of steves videos are a fucking snorefest

they are not the entertainment ones LMG produce which is 90% of the reason people watch

[tiny nimbus]

Labs Jake says WAN Show is happening this week

[neat kiln]

Damn you're a wan host now? Congrats

[balmy oriole]

ty, ty. It will be hard to be fun at 4-6am, but I will try

[royal scarab]

I'm buying stock in Orville Redenbacher

[civic plume]

Happy but also scared about the outcome 😭

[neat kiln]

I have confidence. I also have a merch message Q I really wanna ask. But who knows if they'll be taking merch messages.

[civic plume]

Personally I feel like they shouldnt, to avoid giving the community another reason to be mad

Take merch messages i mean

[lethal pawn]

Not taking merch messages would also anger part of the community

[crude sandal]

what, the community being mad that the community is willing to buy their merch and ask a question?

[neat kiln]

Something something. With the attacks on encryption and privacy, and cloud services becoming more common something, do they think that at some point in time owning your own local offline hardware for personaly private use could be demonized. Like how they mentioned last week that hardware is powerful enough anyone could locally and anonymously figure out what keys correspond to what keystrokes over a microphone to hack someone.

[balmy oriole]

And the community mad at community to staying on floatplane

[crude sandal]

gotta mention loud minorities here
the unhappy are more likely to be vocal than the happy

[lethal pawn]

The problem is, hard to measure if it's really just a loud minority, OR a loud minority, but also most of the people agree with them, just not talking.

[royal scarab]

@neat kiln do you think if they donated it to a specific cause that would make people feel better?

[balmy oriole]

there is no one cause that will be good enough for everyone

[royal scarab]

Everyone loves trees

[neat kiln]

Maybe for the community?
I'm not really too concerned.
But if they were donating it people would claim it's still useful for tax credits

[balmy oriole]

I personally have very strong opinions on charities and their effectiveness

[royal scarab]

Buy a shirt, plant a teee

[neat kiln]

People will always complain.

[lethal pawn]

I have no clue. The only thing I know: I'm the worst ever human being at PR, never follow my advice. 😄

On the other hand, PR has almost 0 effect on me, so, that's a win I guess?

[hard lintel]

why does the public chat have bread now

[bronze skiff]

Those that wish this want LMG to burn regardless of the claims. LMG is a business and can't just stop taking orders due to controversy. They can vote with their own wallet.

[balmy oriole]

buy a shirt, we will buy a shirt from GN on the proceeds

[royal scarab]

0PR Man, can't spin a thing, can't be spun

[royal scarab]

Lol

[neat kiln]

I can't really support GN after they claimed to not get any statements from Linus "because then they could defend themselves"

[royal scarab]

This guy businesses

[civic plume]

Oh i agree with you. The people mad at LMG will look for any reason to be mad. Just look at Reddit. I can almost guarantee backlash regardless of what they do

[royal scarab]

Actually if you want the recent Reddit API debacle I think you can see why Steve was nervous about getting a comment from Linus

When the verge did an interview with reddit's leadership they were able to get talking points out and twist The narrative just enough to confuse lay people

[lethal pawn]

Taking or not taking merch messages during WAN show is 100% PR issue from the company's view.

[bronze skiff]

Something Something hit pieces are not journalism

[neat kiln]

We'll find out at the start of the show. And if the show is on time

[royal scarab]

It was a joke cause you said you can't do it and it has no effect on you

Bad joke obviously

[crude sandal]

some joke that started in floatplane chat iirc

pinned post in #public-chat to get the bread roll

[lethal pawn]

Ah, sorry. 😄 My bad.

[royal scarab]

We all no the show will late

[civic plume]

Yep.
Taking it: “greedy linus being greedy”
Not taking: “suppressing community speech”

No winning here for them

[shrewd shell]

Is the wan show confirmed to go ahead?

[bronze skiff]

Should they also demonetize all videos until this blows over?

[royal scarab]

So far, yes

[neat kiln]

Maybe they break their latest streak of late wan shows

[shrewd shell]

No 😂

[tiny nimbus]

Labs Jake says WAN Show is happening this week

[short spoke]

Would be funny if that was true

[civic plume]

They should do whats good for LMG. A portion of the community will be mad regardless

[shrewd shell]

Thank you 👊

[neat kiln]

Wish I knew and cared to use markdown on mobile

[bronze skiff]

Just rename it to YMG and get rid of the bad rep with the old name /s

[royal scarab]

There's like a 110 employees that had no impact on most of the egregious claims and many of them I think agree that they need to slow down a little bit so it can be more accurate. I'm all for not monetizing hugely clickable drama pieces. I think the schadenfreude of trying to put it to the Man is missing the individual people that are relying on a job at lmg right now

Completely agree with you

[neat kiln]

Linus has mentioned wanting to rebrand the company for some time to not be "Linus"

[bronze skiff]

Yeah. to Yvonne, same problem, but better!

[royal scarab]

LikableTechTips

[civic plume]

Give her 51% instead

[tiny nimbus]

I liked the old “Lab32” (LabThirtyTwo) name for the Labs before they realised there was a conflict

[neat kiln]

LikableMediaGroup?

I wish Lab32 stayed

[royal scarab]

If you say it enough, it must be true

[hard lintel]

TLT, Trouble in Linus Town

[neat kiln]

There are multiple numbers they could've gone with? Why 32 in particular vs 64, 16,

[royal scarab]

Fat32

[hard lintel]

Needs to become "TT" to remain as LTT

[neat kiln]

Ah

[bronze skiff]

32 also rolls off the tongue a bit better than the others.

hence why it was taken

[neat kiln]

It was barely taken before they got into it

[teal sun]

cause its salty

[bronze skiff]

BREADSTICKS?!

[restive rain]

TechTips

[hard lintel]

Long TuTu

[civic plume]

Didnt they change the name cause it was very similar to Lab22 by Sara Dietschy?

[neat kiln]

I believe so. Don't think she saw a problem, but Linus didn't just to make sure there wouldn't be a problem.

[civic plume]

Yeah, that’s what i remember being the case

[short spoke]

Did not sound like linus thought there would be a legal probles per-se, I thinbk he truly believed it would lead to confussion

[neat kiln]

Just thought this was good

[restive rain]

I hope it’s just like actual news and they don’t make anything worse by talking about the controversy

[hard lintel]

Thats why you duct tape linus before the show

[short spoke]

Anybody willing to give me odds on them calling/inviting a live call?

[neat kiln]

You make an arm the automatically duct tapes and releases ductape throughout the show

I can be they might have some employee guests at the show

[hard lintel]

Alex makes a life size Hit me Dan

[restive rain]

0

[short spoke]

ouch, would probably be the quikest way to resolve the drama is to invite him on to the show. Have they done that before? Pushing to the noise by having a on-air conversation to apologize directly?

[tiny nimbus]

I’m pretty sure Steve would decline an invitation at this point

[short spoke]

Yeah probaly what I would do too in steves shoes

[restive rain]

What is there even left to talk about

Everything has already been covered

[tiny nimbus]

Monday feels like weeks ago

[balmy oriole]

55 minute video why a WAN Show invitation was a bribe and Linus has to be cancelled even more /s

[neat kiln]

Steve has already declined LTX. An event with so many other tech creators. Including Louis who is always willing to be critical of Linus.

I doubt he'd accept an invite to wan

Remember he wants to treat LMG like a real company

[tiny nimbus]

Thanks I now hear Linus In his Pinocchio voice saying “I wanna be a real company”

[neat kiln]

You're welcome.
I was also imaging that as I typed that out

But ever since the backpack and screwdriver, GN has been cold to LMG

[hardy obsidian]

GN L

[restive rain]

Gamers nexus more like salty nexus

[teal sun]

how many hours away is wan show

also i cant wait for the emotional meltdown from reddit bitching about monetisation during it

[maiden shadow]

It’s tomorrow isn’t it

[teal sun]

corporations arent allowed to make money according to reddit

[restive rain]

Yea