the-wan-show

[chrome cliff]

[last light]

yeah "haha funny" nope not at all, shouldnt have done that

[crude sandal]

the extension is not accurate

[arctic bronze]

Yea but there's the extention which gets you like 80% of the way

[wicked smelt]

innacurate to what degree?

[chrome cliff]

80% of the way to not being accurate maybe

[willow relic]

i remember how angry a company where that a short circuit video TRASHED their mouse whil those were give naway for free at ltx and they didnt remove the under plasitc cover , so they spend like 18 minutes trashing and just did a little comment under it like , sorry we messed up lol , while not removing the video entirely

[crude sandal]

inaccurate because it's only real measure is from people using it themselves, the rest is all guess work

[wicked smelt]

hm hm

[karmic walrus]

the pwnage mouse?
pretty sure they had a lot more complaints than just the glides on that one

[willow relic]

yup thats the one , i just did a poor resume

[arctic bronze]

Not everyone has the extention so the count isn't going to be 1 to 1 but it gives a good idea of how the video has been received among audiences

[pastel garden]

Wow I just read the thread and they need to talk about the Madison situation that’s really bad

[karmic walrus]

having actually watched the video, they don't seem to complain about the glides much

[arctic bronze]

Yea

I'm betting that's going to be a forum post or a Twitter post at the least

Maybe a Wan show spot

[karmic walrus]

nah
no way there's gonna be anything other than "we're talking with our lawyers"

[pastel garden]

This is a big mess for them I’m sure they will do something but I don’t have the highest of hopes right now

[neat kiln]

What do I fill my Fridays with if wan ends.
Do I even want to tune into wan if it doesn't. Feels a little dirty.

Tainted

[pastel garden]

I’ll tune into the next wan in the hopes that they mention this but yea it feels wrong now

[arctic bronze]

There's gotta be a dumpster fire in lmg offices rn because the shit GN doesn't hold a light to the Maddison issue

[karmic walrus]

Yeah, GN issue is one thing, Madison issue is waaay worse

[limpid tulip]

imo the reason why the apology video didnt mention madison is because it wasnt popular enough for them to notice that too

[worn cypress]

Gah... The flowcharts and processes just gave me bad flashbacks to ISO certification processes - and realization that Yup that is the strategy they're taking and following the same bad path with massive manuals that are impossible to search/quickly access - and results in half your day trying to search internal documents to find the right process knowing the write up will say you didn't follow the process.

[pastel garden]

The GN stuff was just “fix your stuff” and “don’t lie to cover up mistakes” but this is next level

[kind raft]

the tweets came out at about the same time as the video, they couldn't have mentioned them

[limpid tulip]

yea

[arctic bronze]

What was the difference in time from the Maddison tweets to the drop of the video

[neat kiln]

It was likely just finished up in the morning.
This was basically 2 in the morning for them when the tweets came?

[karmic walrus]

madison's allegations only came out at 1am today, which is not exactly enough time for them to have added it to the video they shot earlier in the day

[pastel garden]

I’m sure they will do something about it but not a video considering they did one already and said they won’t do more for a bit

[limpid tulip]

yea it was also time

[kind raft]

tweets came out about 3.5h before the video

[pastel garden]

Not much time it was probably almost done editing by then

If not done

[limpid tulip]

im sure the madison stuff will be mentioned in either a new video or in the wan show

they CAN NOT ignore that

[pastel garden]

It does seem something they will talk about it’s just horrible that it happened at all

[neat kiln]

I really wanna know who abused Madison. We know it would've been one or a few of the highers. Meaning some of the ones who have been with the company the longest?

[hoary hull]

Geez...this video has the tone of "somebody said the N-word".

[worn cypress]

probably already uploaded and processing

[arctic bronze]

Also they are a company facing channel not something like a Logan Paul kind of channel. The GN video was several allegations with a pr nightmare from Linus. This is one person saying things that aren't exactly new

[hoary hull]

While LTT gets their 💩 together, maybe restock some shirts in the store that have been out of stock for most of the summer.

[distant walrus]

Madison's first tweet was at <t:1692166140:t>
Madison's last tweet on the thread was <t:1692176820:t>
The video was released on youtube at <t:1692181980:t> (floatplane and forum post slightly before then)

[neat kiln]

I remember seeing the gamelinked video, and everyone in the comments mentioning no abuse to Riley he's cool

[pastel garden]

Not the highest importance to restock items to encourage people to spend spend spend right now given all this

[limpid tulip]

i really hope ltt fixes their shit
and i hope linus reduces his ego because he wont always have luke to stop him

[pastel garden]

Yea

[limpid tulip]

i legit feel bad for luke

[neat kiln]

This is the point where Linus mightve failed as a boss. And they need to unionize

[hoary hull]

true...but it's been a wild summer.

It's time for a reality check

[arctic bronze]

Idk if it's that bad yet

[pastel garden]

Yea unions aren’t bad it just means better management and communication leading to a better workplace overall. Doesn’t mean Linus has failed, means he’s willing to grow

[karmic walrus]

the abuse would've had to have been mostly from madison's direct superior who's presumably middle management, though

[neat kiln]

The Madison allegations are what should sour unionization, so that those who witnessed her treatment can speak out for her without reprucussion

If I spelled that right atall

[pastel garden]

Oops

[limpid tulip]

its just his ego and stupidity that blocks him from doing so

[neat kiln]

Trying to think, because middle management are those who were at the company for a lot longer weren't they?

[pastel garden]

Yea

[hoary hull]

"SORE-REE"

[karmic walrus]

are they?
We don't know who was involved, but madison makes it sound like basically everyone she worked with regularly sucked, and unless she only regularly worked with senior management some of the people abusing her would've likely been in the same union

[arctic bronze]

I feel like Yvonne has to take all his passwords and screen all social media posts because he's gonna be the downfall of the company

[restive rain]

I don’t expect to see anything on Maddison anytime soon

[agile verge]

Luke admittedly likes working through technical fires.
Maybe he hasnthe same kind of enthusiasm for PR dumpster fires?

[pastel garden]

If not today, probably whenever the wan show is next

[restive rain]

It’s way to big of a potential legal issue if they admit to literally any of that

[limpid tulip]

so pretty much no a biggie for him going through all of this?

[restive rain]

This may not be his type of “fire” though

[pastel garden]

It’s been wild this year for LTT lots of stuff happening and most of it is bad

[neat kiln]

Yeah it sucks. If the Madison thing is true, they really, legally, are recommended to not own up to it

[arctic bronze]

It's a legal liability for them to do a Wan show this week bc Linus is gonna say shit

[pastel garden]

Luke only wan

[restive rain]

I say <50% chance for wan this week

[neat kiln]

But not owning up to it is also bad in the communitys eyes

[arctic bronze]

Alternatively Luke has a gun to Linus's head for a whole wan

[pastel garden]

They did say no more videos this week

[hard lintel]

Dan wearing a Linus mask

[agile verge]

I mean, depending on what Luke gets his kicks from, he may be feeling really "alive" right now...
Or really tired.
Depends.

But he admittedly has a bit of fire fighter adrenaline junkie about him.

[pastel garden]

Ai Linus wan show

[restive rain]

It’s way to much of a legal issue to talk about Maddison at all, no matter how the community views it

[restive rain]

Wan is not really a “video” like the other ones are

[neat kiln]

I know. So they have no way of rebutting it or owning up to it

[restive rain]

The best thing they can do is talk to lawyers and stfu

[crude sandal]

other than what is already scheduled for release

[restive rain]

Wether it’s true or not

[restive rain]

I interpreted it as them stoping all uploads

[agile verge]

They should probably not say anything about Madison.
That would be a legal misstep.

[pastel garden]

I’m just questioning how whoever it was doing the mentioned things in the Madison thread hasn’t been fired

[restive rain]

Assuming it’s true, yea, it sounds really bad

Time will tell exactly what happens

[crude sandal]

we really don't know who it was or if they're still there.
the audience only notices if a known employee leaves

[arctic bronze]

It would make sense to still do the show bc it would be a way to sit down with the community for a fireside chat about what happened in the company this week and what's going to happen going on

[pastel garden]

I feel like if Yvonne or linus or anyone similar knew at the time they would’ve done something so I don’t get how this happened

[marble mica]

The video they put out two hours ago was everything they should've done from the beginning

Good effort

[restive rain]

I could see a potential wan show of them going over everything again then ending

[agile verge]

I mean, we can likely assume some of it is true, or at least "truly her impression".
But that's different than saying all of it as true and that it is as bad as she alleges.

[agile verge]

Pretty much.

[pastel garden]

If it’s true, how did nobody do anything I don’t get it. That’s what makes it truly horrible is that nobody did anything

[neat kiln]

When was Madison working there?

[hardy obsidian]

I think I know lukes feeling of working trough chaos and exhaustion.
when I was in the military, there were these days where you are insanely exhausted, doing thing after thing, no breaks. And at the end of the day, you look in the mirror and realize you've ran the entire day on automation and adrenaline. Its a really good feeling

although I always needed excessive amounts of sleep after that 🤣

[neat kiln]

Like timeframe

[pastel garden]

Like 2019 2021 I think?

Could be wrong idk

[arctic bronze]

Abuse in the workplace is very common and no one wants to tell on the person who ensures that they get payed every month

[agile verge]

Eh...
We know Linus is not good about not wearing his emotions on his sleeve and also saying things he probably shouldn't.

This is a bad week for Linus to be on WAN.

Not saying no WAN show, but saying no Linus on it.

Time to break the streak in my opinion.

[limpid tulip]

Man public-chat is a mess

[gray ingot]

Isn't the WAN show on a really long streak?

[pastel garden]

It’s a bad week for wan in general especially if they are planning to just show up with sponsors and merch and all that stuff despite what’s happening

[arctic bronze]

It's up for debate but pretty much

[agile verge]

Yeah, that would come across as very tone deaf.

[neat kiln]

Well. The LMG website has an "Our Team" section. And has been on the Way back machine

[gray ingot]

kinda sad to break the streak but what can you do I guess

[pastel garden]

I get having to monetize todays video you gotta keep paying people but having merch segments and sponsors on wan intentionally would be bad

[umbral drift]

Next wan show going to be LIT

[neat kiln]

They might do wan to address some concerns.

[arctic bronze]

Luke and Reilly wan show, I'm calling it

[gray ingot]

people are saying they might not do it

[pastel garden]

That would be cool

[neat kiln]

5 minute wan show

[restive rain]

Not even worth looking at Reddit, that’s re just bringing ip thing after thing

[crude sandal]

it is known to not always get instantly updated, at least in the past

[pastel garden]

Have a wan show with Luke and someone else who doesn’t do wan normally would be interesting and stop Linus from chaos causing

[crude sandal]

nah, luke and linus with terren in the background

[gray ingot]

I mean, Linus can just not talk about certain topics if he doesn't want to

[umbral drift]

Not this week for sure

[pastel garden]

yea they need to have terren just be overseeing every wan from now on tbh

[agile verge]

I had experiences like this in college when working for the IT department, new student registration week was always nuts.

More recently I've done that on-call when helping financial institutions or hospitals get their server back up and running due to unexpected downtime (I work for a vendor who gets these calls).

[restive rain]

I feel like that would remove the fun part of wan

[pastel garden]

Well it would still be fun but it would just stop Linus from nearly destroying the whole company

[arctic bronze]

Thats the consequences of their actions

[gray ingot]

Kinda became my saturday morning habit to watch it while I do something else lol

[arctic bronze]

It's a cya measure

[pastel garden]

At least do it until Luke can get Linus 100% under control lol

[umbral drift]

I fall asleep to it

[restive rain]

I don’t want it to turn into just some monotone news show that goes over the weeks news. The personality is what makes it good

[gray ingot]

for me it's really late in the night

[lapis jewel]

@strong pendant missed that

[umbral drift]

I pavlov'd myself to fall asleep to LTT videos, within 10 mins of putting it on i will be asleep no matter where i am

[strong pendant]

Pilot

[neat kiln]

Just listen to it in the car

Wan show is great for commutes

That's if it continues

[restive rain]

Everything is just one big what if

[pastel garden]

They won’t just stop doing wan it’s a big moneymaker and everyone loves it

[restive rain]

Just to think this all started from GN

[tiny nimbus]

WAN Show isn’t stopping because of this, it generates too much revenue

[pastel garden]

But it will have to change a little

[crude sandal]

wan show makes sure the merch logistics people won't have a slow monday

[restive rain]

I could see if they do wan but without merch messages this week

[civic plume]

Maybe, but it'll definetly skip this week. They will be crucified if they keep Merch Messages open.

[restive rain]

It would feel sorta odd to have them all happy and advertising things after this weeks events

[ancient parrot]

apology video was monitized they will keep merch messages

[neat kiln]

Sucks. I also had a genuine question I wanted to ask with a merch message after last week. But everything that's happened

[pastel garden]

They gotta make some money to pay employees

[crude sandal]

people tend to be much more reasonable when there's a cost to saying something.

[ancient parrot]

idk everyone was calling out gamers nexus for that

[pastel garden]

It goes both ways, Madison situation is the real problem

[ancient parrot]

not to mention the fact linus was proved to lie on the timeline of contacting billet labs seems odd to assume they wont monetize something further from the controversy.

[civic plume]

They should make a system where anyone can send in a merch message without buying anything at all, if they decide to proceed with WAN anyways. Or just stick to chat and answer questions from there

[crude sandal]

they'd cutting production entirely for at least this week... they gotta minimise the money lost

[neat kiln]

June 30th 2021 snapshot, you can see Madison. Could presumably see who she worked under as well

[pastel garden]

Didn’t the video today prove that he didn’t lie they just forgot to send to the right address?

Could be wrong idk

[civic plume]

pretty much

[crude sandal]

exactly

[ancient parrot]

I can say any internal email was meant to go the company after being called out. They didnt communicate for weeks so ill trust billets comments over ltt

[restive rain]

When did he lie?

[crude sandal]

have you missed what actually happened?

[restive rain]

He never mentioned a time line besides in the video

[crude sandal]

the timeline of the more recent emails

[ancient parrot]

IDK billet has been very polite to LTT even when stating they didnt contact them until after the gn video dropped

[restive rain]

It sounds like you are complaining over nothing

[pastel garden]

The video today showed an email that was gonna get sent but they didn’t put the right email address 😐

[ancient parrot]

oh i know they sent an internal email they claim was meant for billet

[marble mica]

I've been in the same situation where I 'accidantly didn't add someone' or littaraly faked a reply to an email cause I forgot to send it

[restive rain]

Did you even watch the apology video?

[tiny nimbus]

Todays video clarified the timeline, they reached out on the 10th except Colton forgot to address the contact directly, which is where Linus got his info from for the forum post and still followed up personally on the Monday

[restive rain]

Why tf would they send that internally and not to bullet?

[ancient parrot]

and they leaked billets requested compensation in that apolofy which billet clearly said not too lmao

[restive rain]

Internal people don’t need that

[ancient parrot]

Then why did they leak billets compensation?

[restive rain]

I didn’t see the request to not in their emails

[ancient parrot]

How many mistakes can you make and get benifit of the doubt? seems absurd

[gray ingot]

probably not intentional

[restive rain]

At least the ones shared

[crude sandal]

because it was an email to multiple people, for information purposes. primarily to logistics/procurement... and colton fucked up and didn't include billet in it

[restive rain]

I’m aware lmao

[gray ingot]

they don't gain anything from doing it so it must have been a mistake

[pastel garden]

Most of the stuff GN mentioned wasn’t intentional but it’s still mistakes that need to be corrected

[tiny nimbus]

They had asked GN not to disclose the value of the prototype, I don’t know that a similar agreement was reached with LMG

[restive rain]

People are literally just going crazy with the most minor things

[arctic bronze]

How did they leak the billet labs stated value

[ancient parrot]

Other than being able to claim they had already sorted the situation when billet hadnt even had a chance to reply per their reddit

[restive rain]

Email screen shot

[arctic bronze]

Shit

https://twitter.com/basstwink/status/1691578089464033491?s=19

basstwink (@basstwink)

Luke to Linus

Likes

1744

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▶ Play video

Twitter · Aug 15, 2023, 10:30 PM

[ancient parrot]

idk im taking billit as the most valid source of info over ltt and GN

[restive rain]

Nothing showed they where told not to leak it though

[pastel garden]

Yea we should really be focused on that they are trying to be better and focus on the Madison situation not the minor details

[restive rain]

There is nothing to focus on Maddison

[crude sandal]

the timeline between colton initially contacting them about the auction mistake and GN's video coming out was literally less than two whole business days

[pastel garden]

There is though??

[pastel garden]

Lol that fits perfectly

[gray ingot]

they can claim they paid them without "leaking" the value, it was 100% a mistake there is no benefit for them in any way to show the value imo

[limpid tulip]

Why?????

[civic plume]

Honestly I’m with Linus on one thing. It was only 2 business days between them not getting a reply and GN having a whole video out. Assuming GN didn’t make the video and upload it the same day, something feels off

[restive rain]

I get it’s a bad situation but literally what can we do? Theorize more crap that could be true could not be true. Unless ltt claims it’s true, which would be a horrible move or they disprove it, which would also be a bad move, there is nothing for us to focus on

[limpid tulip]

Oh

[pastel garden]

LTT isn’t a horrible company all of a sudden because of the GN stuff, mistakes happen but that do have to fix it and acknowledge it which they seem to be doing for the most part, it just still feels icky

[restive rain]

Yea, people are blowing it way out of proportion, it’s not like they went silent for a week+

[civic plume]

Thats what I thought too at first

[crude sandal]

and evidently now, they never even intended such a long delay at all, as coltons intended email was on friday

[restive rain]

Re @limpid tulip @pastel garden

[limpid tulip]

Yea i saw
Hence the "oh'

[civic plume]

I don’t recall GN mentioning how long the delay was, did they?

[pastel garden]

Okay then don’t focus on it but they still need to take action on whoever it was that did it if it’s true

[crude sandal]

only delay they mentioned was the pre LTX stuff. not the recent bit that actually mattered

[restive rain]

Of course THEY do, I’m not denying that, but there is nothing we can do and there is no use dwelling on the details

[pastel garden]

Yea but we can still acknowledge that it’s a horrible situation

[restive rain]

Of course

[civic plume]

Yikes 😬

[crude sandal]

their little "timeline" bit in the 2nd video even had "early august" instead of litterally a couple business days ago

[tiny nimbus]

Linus owned up to a) losing the 3090 Billit Labs sent them only to find it while making a video working in Logistics for a day (“grrrr…”) and b) delaying its return for weeks

[crude sandal]

wrong reply, oops

[pastel garden]

I’m trying to see where they are coming from but at this point it’s getting kinda hard to support them right now, I’m hoping it gets better

They are trying at least

[civic plume]

They kinda misrepresented the facts there a little which sucks cause it went from looking bad to worse

[crude sandal]

and they probably will... but likely not much, since it's a issue that'd involve lawyers and not saying much publicly...
...after they've gotten to work and actually had time to discuss it and sort out their plan

[ancient parrot]

they gave the date of billet labs reaching out as august 11th in the video i dont know what your on about. They cant report on LTTs email sent 2 hours after their video releases. Literal brain rot in here Gn says it at 33:50 minutes in the first video released https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGW3TPytTjc

[crude sandal]

it's almost 7am in vancouver, madison's tweet thread started at 11pm and went for like 3 hours

[restive rain]

Maddison is a lawyer up and stfu type situation, don’t expect anything soon

[pastel garden]

Whether they publicly mention it or not they need to do right by Madison and take action on whoever it was

[ancient parrot]

some big misrepresantation when yall literally will lie and say he didnt mention the august 11th email

[restive rain]

I don’t think we said he didn’t mention that email

[neat kiln]

Madison is also a "the community will destroy us if we don't say anything" situation.

[restive rain]

Which sucks, but speaking about it literally at all is a death sentence

[karmic walrus]

I believe the complaint is that billet lab's reached out to GN like, a day after they responded to LTT?

[ancient parrot]

yall said they ignored the most recent dates. they had all up to date communication from billet labs included

[neat kiln]

GN reached out to billet didn't they?

[ancient parrot]

Literally responding to the guy saying they didnt specify dates

[balmy oriole]

Garrys clock on LTT video shows almost 9pm, so the video was recorded before

[knotty flint]

This all hurts to watch unfold.
Unsure whether I'll timestamp anymore, I'm just speechless.

[crude sandal]

exactly.

[ancient parrot]

Someone claimed they said early august and never clarified the request was sent august 11th. gamers nexus clearly gave all available dates

[pastel garden]

Man in one summer they got hacked, had LTX, gamers nexus stuff, Madison situation, new CEO, new channel, all kinds of big stuff it’s insane

[gray ingot]

true

[restive rain]

Yes

They didn’t reach out to ltt to get their side of the communication with billet

[misty latch]

yeah

[gray ingot]

but to be honest I feel like this will pass after some time as all things do

[civic plume]

Because Linus wasn’t aware and would make it right if he found out before GNs video came out

[pastel garden]

It will pass but it will leave a permanent stain on them no matter what

[misty latch]

Linus made a huge mistake but we all have done stupid stuff before and he did the right thing i think every one is kinda over reacting to the monoblock "scandal"

[gray ingot]

will people remeber all this in 1 year though?

[pastel garden]

Sucks but they had to do something about it. Mistakes need to be acknowledged and corrected

[balmy oriole]

I think Colton did adress the email mishap in his portion, didn't he?

[pastel garden]

Yup

[pastel garden]

It’s not as bad as people make it seem but the whole situation combined will leave a mark. It will pass though

[balmy oriole]

I request Sara Butt stream with the t-shirt to commemorate (not gona buy it, but to watch that will be entertaining)

[civic plume]

Years from now, during the “trust me Bro 2.0” controversy, people will bring this up and misrepresent the hell out of it

[pastel garden]

Oh yea for sure

[neat kiln]

The mono block blew up but wasn't really that bad honestly. 2 days? Linus has been mentioning they've got accuracy work to do.
GNs video was a very big nothingburger that blew up, given that LTT and billet were in communication, and had only not spoken for over a single business day before the video came out

The Madison situation is much worse

[crude sandal]

ok yes, one mention of "around" a date.. in the 2nd video, it's stated as "early august" with the rest of the timeline laid out
Billet have already made a statement after this on reddit stating that they were contacted on the 10th. they replied same day. colton then sent his reply the next day but screwed up and forgot to include billet in it, so it never arrived
then the weekend happens
then the GN video comes out, and linus is made aware of the situation

[gray ingot]

What would you put on a shirt in this situation lol? what text?

[misty latch]

yeah it was extremally stupid but its not like he was selling it for his personal gain

[arctic girder]

so have we got confirmation that there is no wan this week

[neat kiln]

We do?

[balmy oriole]

obviously

[misty latch]

wait i haven't really heard a lot about that

[pastel garden]

Yea it was a big mistake but at least it could’ve been worse

[neat kiln]

Link?

[crude sandal]

no we have not yet got a confirmation on this week's wan

[civic plume]

The only situation that really matters is the Madison one. Everything else is just pointless drama at this point imo

[pastel garden]

Just confirmed lttstore water block tshirt

[arctic girder]

cheers

[balmy oriole]

I'm sure wan show is in the grey zone for now

[crude sandal]

I'd say it'll entirely depend on if they want to stay late on friday at this point

[misty latch]

yeah definitely but i still dont see why ppl are so mad about how he responded in the forum he is a human with human emotions

[pastel garden]

Yea

[neat kiln]

GN could have contacted LTT. But then we probably wouldn't ever find out the Madison situation.

[restive rain]

True, but there is nothing to say about Madison since it’s all a legal mess

[pastel garden]

Madison situation is a big issue but they can’t say much publicly

I just hope they are fixing it and that whoever it was gets fired assuming it’s true

[misty latch]

yeah internal matters need to stay internal

[civic plume]

They’ll get crucified, whether they say anything or not anyways

[arctic girder]

i found Madison to be a whiny little bitch

[gray ingot]

yep, internet do be like that, there is no winning move

[civic plume]

Might as well stay out of additional legal trouble by not saying anything

[balmy oriole]

IMO if GN did contact, all that would have changed would be +5 min on GNs 1st video
and maybe a bit more prepaired LS response

[marble mica]

👀

[crude sandal]

gotta note that the madison situation was ~2 years ago, and LMG's actual HR team didn't exist back then

[pastel garden]

I just don’t get how Yvonne didn’t do something about it I feel like she would’ve noticed it or Linus even seems like he would’ve done something

[restive rain]

Im not going to discount her claims, but I’m not going to act like all of them are fully true

[pastel garden]

True

[misty latch]

the is kinad a hot take but i think she is making it up or at least over reacting

[pastel garden]

Could be but we won’t ever really know

[crude sandal]

if GN had contacted, he would've found out that the billet situation was actively being sorted, and that the last email just hadn't been sent out properly

[pastel garden]

He should’ve contacted

[restive rain]

Which is why I don’t want to make any final opinions until it’s all done

[gray ingot]

I think we should hear both sides of the story

[pastel garden]

We need GN to go on wan so they can discuss

[crude sandal]

[gray ingot]

GN + WAN would be a fun podcast

[crude sandal]

I feel this would only work if GN actually came up to vancouver for it

[civic plume]

I think it’s safe to say Linus will probably want nothing to do with GN after all this

[pastel garden]

It would be and it is a chance for some real discussion without the lack of contact forum posting they have rn

[compact wind]

In proper Journalism, you are supposed to hear all sides of the story before formulating a neutral article.

The same should have occurred with GN here. Holding them to the same standard may be extreme but also makes sense to me at least.

[gray ingot]

Can't they do it over discord?

[balmy oriole]

Yeah, but I doubt it would have changed the tone of the video that much. Since all their points are primerely on attitude/pov on the story, side of things

[crude sandal]

they don't use discord for remote

[pastel garden]

Yea I don’t see GN and LTT doing anything together anymore but who knows

[hollow wagon]

Believe it or not having GN on WAN would be the easiest way to resolve this issue.

[crude sandal]

but my point is that it'd probably go better with steve there in person for it if it happened

[pastel garden]

Yea

[crude sandal]

hi sherlock. it'd just be funny

[balmy oriole]

i got boo'ed for this kind of statement on twitter yesterday. People are out for blood

[gray ingot]

I wonder if anyone from LTT is reading discord and is like: These people have no idea how this works... xD

[neat kiln]

They didn't include any of the stuff Linus has said about trying to get better and improving accuracy and the steps he's been mentioning on wan

[pastel garden]

He is trying to do better and that’s a good thing but mistakes were made. But GN should have contacted and LTT is gonna need to do quite a bit to fix this mess

[balmy oriole]

true. I find a lot of things GN did/say over these few day cheecky, but I don't want to discuss them since it will only lead to more conflict

[compact wind]

People are more emotional than they are reasonable.

[neat kiln]

GN was really a very big nothing burger that the Internet latched onto.
Madison is serious issues

[compact wind]

Hence informed Journalism is that important. People are very reactive.

[balmy oriole]

yeah. over a damn youtube channel. they surely have nice lives

[pastel garden]

No lives outside of twitter (x) apparently

[civic plume]

Y’all in this channel are so much more chill than the public channel 😂

[compact wind]

I needn't bother really. I am still interested in the discussion though. More importantly I do want LTT to take a stance at the Madison situation. Till then I will remain just neutral.

[misty latch]

it is also her fault for not doing something at the time if her accusations are true i also feel like it follows the narrative a little to well (the white straight male is the bad guy) that is why im a bit skeptical

[pastel garden]

Yea public channel is wild

[gray ingot]

I can't wait for the next WAN show 😄

[neat kiln]

Fuck off with that victim blaming shit.

[pastel garden]

Bye guys gonna go play no man’s sky this was interesting

[compact wind]

I don't think it has anything to do with the timing. It's still a serious ordeal. It's just that evidence is needed.

[balmy oriole]

have a nice game

[compact wind]

Have fun!

[civic plume]

We can be skeptical but we shouldn’t be dismissive. Its not her fault if it happened to her.

[ancient parrot]

what about the proof LTT falsely claimed to redo GPU testing? ive been checking their charts for years becuase of that BS claim

[neat kiln]

When the lab has been functional for less than a year?

[misty latch]

yeah if it is true than ppl need to be fired but it will be hard to prove that any did anything wrong now because she didnt so anything when it happened

[ancient parrot]

they used that as validation for their comments about GN and Hardware Unboxed. its dishonest to say we do X so were better if you dont do X

[civic plume]

Dumb question but dont they have cameras around inside the building?

[misty latch]

umm idk

[compact wind]

Evidence is hard to acquire in those situations. But without it, it's also sadly impossible to prove anything.

[neat kiln]

Storing footage for 2+ years isn't necessarily common.

[gray ingot]

there is no way you save stuff from 2 years ago even if you have crazy storage

[balmy oriole]

I don;t think that they mentioned it

[civic plume]

Thats true

[compact wind]

Has that been a norm?

[neat kiln]

Was just in response to the security cameras probably regarding Madison's claim

[civic plume]

Yeah. Could be used to support/refute her claims

[worn river]

yup, all of this is still allegations, more people need to come out or yeeeah,proof of some form

[compact wind]

Alright gotcha. I'd imagine LTT has at least some camera footage. It's not something that they would probably need the court of public opinion but a real court, I guess.

[balmy oriole]

than again, more people without any proof is a he said/she said situation. which actually resolves nothing

[civic plume]

Problem is, if they go after Madison in court

LMG already lost the court of public opinion

[compact wind]

You mean a defamation lawsuit?

[tacit drift]

even if they're in the right, going after madison in court is the worst possible move they could make

[civic plume]

People will claim they’re bullying her for speaking up

[civic plume]

Exactly

[misty latch]

yeah they could/should do that if she is making it up

[compact wind]

100%.

[misty latch]

i just find it sus that she didnt say anything at the time

[glossy latch]

"she didn't want backlash"

[balmy oriole]

that was said about all/most of Harvey weinstein situations

[compact wind]

While a defamation lawsuit makes sense, it also isn't easy. The public knows about lawsuits.

It will be yet another case of individual vs "big company". The public takes the side of the individual in almost all of these cases as history shows.

[civic plume]

It’s fairly normal for victims to not speak up. Her reasoning makes sense

[misty latch]

then why say anything now

[civic plume]

Cause people are more likely to believe

Hypothetically, if she spoke up 2 years ago, a small portion of lmg audience would bully her off the internet. Its the unfortunate reality of the internet age

[compact wind]

It's because the mainstream has its attention on LTT, now they'll listen to her to increase the fire even further.

When you become the focus of the mainstream, everything becomes something of interest.

[misty latch]

why are ppl more likely to believe her store now than they where when the incident/s happened when they could actually do something about it

[worn river]

just managed to catch up to the GN response video, i mean good for 'em to make it i guess but putting in sponsors and plugging lttstore was kind of awkward lol

[compact wind]

That's probably what would've happened, I am assuming as well.

[civic plume]

Because the veil has been lifted. People dont see LMG as the guy who who can’t do no wrong

[peak silo]

As someone who has been on the bad end of false allegations of harassment, Madison should be taken seriously in the appropriate venue. Going on blast on social media isn't constructive.

[gray ingot]

What is the alternative?

[misty latch]

yeah i kinda see your point but if they had camera footage it is probably long gone now so we cant prove or disprove her claims

[compact wind]

Social Media never helps. It's simply fuel to a fire.

[civic plume]

Pretty much

[compact wind]

I'd say the alternative is the legal system. Which is a terrible alternative due to the costs involved, so yeah... fun.

[civic plume]

Basically, lmg is stained regardless of the outcome

[gray ingot]

Now sure how it is in Canada but that is public domain once it is over in my country anyway

[misty latch]

like i said before if you can prove that what she said is true than ppl need to be punish but i think that ship has sailed and she just wants to hurt lmg even more

i wonder if this will effect them getting sponsors

[peak silo]

Workplace discrimination lawsuits with actual employment lawyers who are not affiliated with your company or organization. The company HR is never going to help. It can even hurt the workplace as people find more passive aggressive and less documentable ways to be dip shits to people. HR is never your friend, they protect the company.

[civic plume]

Short term? 100%
Longer term? Depends on how well they clean up after themselves

[compact wind]

If LTT just ignores this and does not address it... It probably won't turn into anything sadly. People get distracted. People move on, the majority will simply jump onto the next thing. As sad as it is.

[gray ingot]

true for cooler block but not for Madison stuff

[compact wind]

The only way that Madison could get her justice is through the legal system, which is a difficult path to tread.

[peak silo]

That's exactly the case

[civic plume]

Agreed. Its too big to just ignore

[misty latch]

ppl will move on hardly any internet controversy last if they fix stuff

[peak silo]

In two weeks everyone will move on

[compact wind]

What keeps a fire going is fuel.
If you don't respond to the drama and just let it pass over you, some will remain but the majority of people will have moved on.

[misty latch]

we probably wont know anything about this cuz it is an internal matter and it should stay internal

[compact wind]

If you add onto it, it becomes fuel to the fire.

[gray ingot]

do you know of an example where something like this passes over in a few weeks?

[misty latch]

well i gtg do math and build a pc

[peak silo]

It depends on how many people come forward. A good example of this was a book by Jon Ronson on cancel culture I read a while back.

[compact wind]

I wouldn't say a few weeks. It will stick around for at least a little longer than that. But given enough time, it's going to pass.

[worn river]

welcome to the world of social media, its always just GO GO GO to the next thing and if it fades off in like a week or two noone except the hardcore one's will really care or even remember considering the mass of information shoved in our faces on a daily basis

[compact wind]

Have fun with both!

[bold token]

i hope it does it was annoying like yesterday

[misty latch]

thnaks its my first pc i cant wait

[compact wind]

Then have double fun :)

[bold token]

do you think they will cancel wan show this week? sinc they arent doing regular youtube videos?

[peak silo]

I hope they do tbh

[compact wind]

That's really what I am referring to as well.

[gray ingot]

would be sad if they cancel it but would probably be not a bad decision

[misty latch]

probably

[peak silo]

Taking a week off revenue hit voluntarily is a good first step

[worn river]

awww shit what am i gonna listen to at work on monday, its like a routine to me

[bold token]

SAME

[gray ingot]

same

[bold token]

its my work week stuf to listen to this is so sad

[misty latch]

i listen to it in the gym

[bold token]

all over this stupid issue god some people lol, i hope steve is happy this has made my life worse for one week

half joking half not

[worn river]

steve ruined my weekly work routine, damn you steve 😦

(jk)

ill just listen to an audiobook

better idea, ill listen to some old wan show, any top notch recommendations?

[idle flicker]

sorry if already answered, does anyone know if ceasing video production includes wan show?

[bold token]

scroll up like 4 seconds

[worn river]

nooooobody knowsssss

[peak silo]

No one knows

[compact wind]

If you need a podcast, there's always distractible.

It's a podcast with Markiplier, Wade and Bob.

Pretty entertaining but not at all to do with tech... :V

[idle flicker]

damn, im gonna have a boring train ride lmao

[neat kiln]

Remember. Epstein didn't kill himself.
Though nobody talks about that anymore.

[worn river]

oh yeah HUB made a podcast aswell, didnt they?

Might listen to that

[compact wind]

Have fun with it! :)

[worn river]

Hope so, theire quite good, got my 4070 model recommendation from them

[neat kiln]

Has there been confirmation of no wan?

[balmy oriole]

no.

[worn river]

We wont know by saturday either considering how late wan show starts sometimes

[neat kiln]

Just remembered miniladd. That was a big thing.
Goddamned YouTubers.

[balmy oriole]

it is 5-6am in vancouver. Linus posted a video aroud 3am. I will be extremely amused if he is not dead asleep rn

[restive rain]

its 7:44am in vanccouver

[neat kiln]

I just lose more and more stuff to watch.

[balmy oriole]

anywa. he was still answering on forum 3h ago

[restive rain]

i belive they use PST yea?

[balmy oriole]

i just google "vancouver time" each time i need

[worn river]

and they thought the hack was the worst day in LMG history, ooooooh boy

[balmy oriole]

homer simpson and bart.jpg

[neat kiln]

Wonder if GN will at all respond to the latest video

[worn river]

he said he woulnt

[neat kiln]

I know what he said. But I do have a hard time supporting GN if they can't contact a company for their side. Their story was a very big nothing burger that feels like platform weaponization

[restive rain]

Don’t think so

[peak silo]

They don't need to respond to it ..though I think GN will audit them down the road...I doubt GN will push out anything soon regarding it

[restive rain]

There is nothing to respond to

Unless they want more views

[worn river]

everyone will now that the cat's out the bag

[neat kiln]

Not going to go to GN for news. Not going to go to LTT for now due to the Madison situation

[worn river]

my three defaults have been LTT, GN and HUB

[restive rain]

Well I guess you will be waiting for a while as I don’t see them commenting on Maddison anytime soon

[worn river]

if at all, this might be an off-camera thing to resolve

[restive rain]

Honestly I hope it is, adding anything more right now in public will just make stuff worse

And also it endangers the company on the legal side of they for example accident confirm some of the things

I hope LTTs transparency doesn’t hurt them here

[neat kiln]

I had a little more respect for GN, despite not tuning in for most of their prebuild benchmarks. But it feels like they left so much out, didn't bother contacting ltt despite having easy access, and brought irrelevant details in as some sort of exposé

[analog narwhal]

The Hub :D... oh Hardware Unboxed 👀

[worn cypress]

No dawid does tech stuff? 😉 I kinda like that one personally

[worn river]

ehhhhh its the people im used to watching, havent really expanded out much

[worn cypress]

Canadian + some jankier stuff so amusing

[drifting creek]

Just going to Paul’s Hardware from now on for a lumpia News

[worn river]

is there any like, long tech podcasts that are decent? Im thinking 2-3 hours or more

[worn cypress]

Moore's law is dead but it's pretty dry

[balmy shoal]

Its more so darknet related but its worth a listen
"Darknet Diaries" by Jack Rhysider
*Edit: also on youtube

[gray ingot]

isn't it resurected if we reach 1nm by 2025?

[worn river]

is it on spotify too?

[balmy shoal]

Should be

Checked and it is

[worn river]

awesome, ill add that to my list(my list is at this point like 500 hours long )

ive got like 15 audiobooks left

[modern linden]

I just started this series (started from the beginning and working backwards) and it’s got its good episodes. Definitely suitable for car listening.

[balmy shoal]

A fellow darknet diaries enjoyer i see

[reef tapir]

I’m assuming WAN/Bingo isn’t happening this week?

[balmy shoal]

No one knows

Will the streak finally die?

[reef tapir]

I guess I’ll prepare for it anyways but yikes

[keen bloom]

Next wan show brought to you by Dan and Luke.

[hard lintel]

I'll say it again but Dan wearing a Linus mask

Or Linus remote calling and Luke having the mute button

[worn river]

linus shows up for 5 minutes so the streak doesnt break and then dan comes in

[light cedar]

Dan is such a nice guy

[worn river]

dan is awesome

[light cedar]

I want DanTechTips

[worn river]

i loved his FP vid of the wan show set, the guy is really smart

[civic plume]

Dan and Linus should switch seats

Technically all three are present so the streak is still okay

[vapid yoke]

The WDan Show

[jade kelp]

how about let luke have a break and play some games

[modern linden]

Honestly the whole situation makes me upset (GN & Madison) with LMG but it’s not like none of it is fixable or unforgivable. LMG just has to make some serious changes and I think there’s going to be a lot of that very soon.

[reef tapir]

Could we do a Luke Bingo

[reef tapir]

I missed his streams

[restive rain]

Have you seen the response this morning yet?

[modern linden]

If there was a response to Madison I have not seen it

[restive rain]

Not to Maddison

[modern linden]

I saw the forum response to GN

Was there a video response?

[formal rose]

Hello everyone

[restive rain]

Ltt posted a video response on what they will be doing going forward, it’s 20 minutes worth the watch

[modern linden]

Ok cool thnx for letting me know

[worn river]

I love how public chat is a nuclear wasteland of hell and were just here vibing

[hard lintel]

Thank God it's contained there

[worn river]

Wan show people are chillin

[light cedar]

🍞

[modern linden]

Yup, kinda why I jumped in here cause it seemed quieter and more civilized.

[willow relic]

[modern linden]

I’m 4 minutes in, wooow. This is insane. I’m impressed already.

[tender prism]

You were impressed with their responses addressing the criticism?

[restive rain]

That’s why I choose to talk here since I can have actual conversations

[civic plume]

Sameee

[jade kelp]

yeah replace wan show this week with luke playing BG3

[restive rain]

I’m not sure if I’m “impressed” per say, just glad they are actually doing something.

[light cedar]

I dont understand why people are so upset about the sponsor jokes. Its a joke.

[modern linden]

I’ve worked at a number of different sized places and can say that just from what Yvonne was talking about, this is serious.

[tender prism]

These people are going to be upset with anything LTT does during these next few days

[civic plume]

I don’t think we can consider their video an apology. Im not sure what the right word for it is.
Its basically a pledge to do better while acknowledging their mistakes

[restive rain]

Probably because they don’t like humor in something that should “be serious”

[modern linden]

Yup, actions speak louder than words, but Silence is deafening. I’m glad they made this video.

[restive rain]

And probably also people expect an extra layer of seriousness because of the Maddison situation, but by the time all of that happened this was already filmed and being edited

[civic plume]

Its just being called an apology video because YouTuber keep getting cancelled and having to make them 💀

[tiny nimbus]

I heard the words “I agree with the community”, “I apologise” and “I’m sorry” a number of times during that video

[restive rain]

I would probably call it a response, that addresses the issues and their action plan going forward.

[tender prism]

I think one topic that's not being discussed enough is how LTT was blindsided by the video. Usually, GN would ask for comments to the companies they were about to make a hit piece on. Why didn't they contact LTT for comment or anything? Considering they're both youtubers in the same space, it would make more sense to get their side of the story. I rarely see this happen and yet it happened to LTT.

[restive rain]

Mm yea one of the things that left a bad taste in my mouth, it would have been the courteous thing to at least get comment from ltt when doing the “hit price”

[tiny nimbus]

GN’s stance towards LMG as a whole has been pretty clear and established for almost a year now

[hardy obsidian]

Gn obviously liked the drama, needed to pay for their new sound chamber I guess

[peak silo]

Ye, but they have pretty routinely reached out for comment on every single other piece like this

[gray ingot]

Unpopular opinion but:
Linus is 🫃

[restive rain]

A pregnant man? Huh?

[tiny nimbus]

You’re gonna make me dig out the clip aren’t you… sigh

[tender prism]

GamersNexus begged NewEgg for comments and an interview but yet they wouldn't do so for Linus who we 100% can say would've given GamersNexus a comment

[peak silo]

Same for Asus

[tender prism]

Does GamersNexus love NewEgg but hate LTT?

[restive rain]

It would have also given them a chance to prepare for the onslaught that would happen

[hard lintel]

Even if Linus refused to respond, that's even more ammo. No attempt was made

[civic plume]

I feel like if Steve reached out to Linus for a comment, he knew Linus would find out what happened and make things right before the video was published making it pointless.

[hardy obsidian]

That would have been good? GNs goal shouldn't be to stir drama, but to make wrong right

[restive rain]

So again, points to him wanting it to have the big hit effect and the internet running with it, not some actual good

[tender prism]

Right and that's why even though GamersNexus brought up a lot of good points and I'm glad LTT is getting called out, what GamersNexus did sorta made me uncomfortable. It did seem like while they had some good intentions, they also had other intentions which was to blindside LTT as much as they can and prevent LTT from sharing their side of the story for as long as they can

[modern linden]

Delivery matters as much as the payload does. Even if they payload is a teddy bear, if the delivery mechanism is a metal spike, I don’t care about the teddy bear

[scenic rapids]

saying he "wasnt monetizing the video" etc was disingenuous, stirring up the drama was the goal and is obviously going to just drive more traffic to his channel

[peak silo]

Steve had a valid point about not reaching out, but GN did deviate on how they handle companies in this case.

[civic plume]

Exactly my point. GN should have reached out

And reported on it regardless.

[hardy obsidian]

💯

[tender prism]

Oh yeah that's just complete BS. Even if GamersNexus wasn't monetizing that video, they got a lot of views and followers from it which will help their channel

[modern linden]

They should have reached out and didn’t. That makes what they did worse than TMZ in my opinion

[civic plume]

Its still messed up that LMG auctioned it off, but its not NEARLY as messed up as GN made it seem initially

[tender prism]

I'm going to be fair here, a lot of the points GamersNexus brought up was valid including this one

[restive rain]

It also in a way pressures ltt to not monetize their response

[peak silo]

Yeah, billet said it themselves in the now public email. Previously the block would be LTTs, but they changed their mind.

[hardy obsidian]

Its a piece of copper, it can be reimbursed and it just accidentally got mishandled yeah

Still bad, but he wasn't trying to steal

[tender prism]

So is GamersNexus going to remove all the subscribers they made from that LTT hit piece as well? Because those subscribers they gained from the video that already has 1mil views is a form of monetization

[civic plume]

I agree. A lot of what they said were good feedback for LMG on how to improve.

[restive rain]

I mean it is more then just a “pice of copper” but I understand your point

[gray ingot]

No, linus is a copper thief, the internet is always right

[restive rain]

Ofc not

[civic plume]

The narrative that Linus is a thief was frankly stupid. I can see why Linus was upset by that. He doesnt need to steal $2000 of copper 😭

[restive rain]

But it’s the intent and anything people do is out of malice

[tiny nimbus]

From the source

[tender prism]

Linus rejected a $100mil buyout offer for LTT. If you think he intentionally stole that contraption you're definitely smoking something.

There is something to be said about miscommunication and LTT possibly needing better processes internally to avoid these situations though.

[restive rain]

🙄

We are not going to reach out to you because you might try to defend yourself

Lol

[gray ingot]

nobody thinks he intentionally stole it, it's clear it was unintentional to auction it but calling him a copper thief is pretty funny ngl xD

[tender prism]

That was a special type of dumb response from GamersNexus

[restive rain]

Which is true and what they addressed in the video, hoping it’s better going forward.

[hearty crag]

Obvious screwup with the block aside, it isnt like GN hasnt had an obvious agenda with LTT for a while now.

[tender prism]

If you go into chat people do think they intentionally stole it

[boreal fiber]

kinda makes no sense since he clearly didn't like it

nobody steals things they don't like

[restive rain]

Just trolls attention seeking…. I hope

[gray ingot]

it's 100% memers

[civic plume]

Giving them too much credit 😭

[restive rain]

(Why I don’t read that channel)

Even if it is trolls

[tender prism]

I never actually thought GamersNexus had an agenda with LTT. Maybe they did but it never seemed obvious to me.

However, when GamersNexus released a big hit piece on LTT without asking them for a comment or giving them a chance to share their side of the story, that rang alarms in my head.

[boreal fiber]

public chat is a fucking cestpool

no offense to green names

[misty latch]

he is just capitalizing off of the drama

[tender prism]

What's preventing from all the green names from coming to this channel? I'm afraid it'll leak here

[gray ingot]

my dude you are a "green name"

[tiny nimbus]

Since this truly isn’t going to be a WAN Show topic now, I’ll stop talking about it

[fossil monolith]

Its pretty bad

[tender prism]

My dude, I know lol. And I'm in this channel which is why I'm asking what's preventing others from doing the same

[hard lintel]

Do you mean role colour or "new member"

[boreal fiber]

i've made the mistake of going there earlier

[boreal fiber]

role colour

[hearty crag]

yeah its just a brigade of toxicity at this point, im surprised how lenient the mods are being

I'm sure they have their reasons

[civic plume]

They can't do much without the community claiming theyre being censored

[boreal fiber]

sad how some people think it's funny to stir shit up for no reason

[fossil monolith]

Honestly kudos to LMG people for letting them wear themselves out, that's definitely a much more respectable response than just shutting it down

[hearty crag]

Granted, but how many of those people ranting in Public Chat are brand-new and came here specifically to rant?

[tender prism]

I sorta knew LMG would respond in the way that they did

[tiny nimbus]

Hey at least there won’t be any video production holding back the start of this week’s WAN Show wink wink

[misty latch]

they just want to be noticed by ppl

[hard lintel]

Is that a joke about it being late

[hearty crag]

I dont think the degree of vitriol in public is entirely representative of the LTT community, but thats just my 2 cents

[worn river]

dan gets full video capacity for wan show, we gonna have top tier production this week

[tender prism]

Those people aren't from LTT community

[civic plume]

Linus is right when he says the "vocal minority" are the ones with the pitchforks up

[hard lintel]

How many new members are there? Discord should mark them with a little leaf tag to show they're new joins

(I won't check myself, sorry)

[fossil monolith]

First 30 messages and it goes away

[hard lintel]

Oh so they all lose it immediately gotcha

[hearty crag]

Yeah, theres 'legitimately angry at the inaccuracy issue or the block screwup' and then there's the angry mob in Public.

[misty latch]

no i joined the other day

[worn river]

im actually angry at the inaccuracies, have been for months, i hope this gets them to reconsider the quality and not just focus on quantity

[tender prism]

So it works to the spammer's favor!

[hard lintel]

The joke is they're typing so many messages they reach the 30 message cap nearly instantly

[tender prism]

While I've cleared levied a lot of criticisms on GN, they did bring up a lot of valid points

[misty latch]

i think ppl do have a right to be mad about that but not the monoblock drama

[restive rain]

They already put a production hault and let us know their plans going forward. I bet there will be less inaccuracies now

[civic plume]

I actually noticed it too myself on the 4060 review i think and realized they have to issue corrections on every video nowadays and it felt icky but not malicious in the slightest. Gave them the benefit of the doubt because LTT Labs wasn't in full swing just yet

I forgot about it until the recent drama

[mystic idol]

Did they ever acknowledge why the block was never sent back before ltx? I don't think the apology video covered it now that I think about it, it only covered what happened after it was auctioned off

[tiny nimbus]

I never want to see another review video that spliced in Linus’s script read because Linus was late to set and they couldn’t wait to publish

[gray ingot]

isn't it a good thing? i bet there are many who make mistakes and don't bother to correct them

[worn river]

there was many valid points to it, i just hope this shitshow pushes them to produce more quality videos instead of spamming out low-tier junk because of some quota of videos, i mean i love all the jank and fun stuff they do but when it comes to reviews/gpu/cpu releases etc, that should get some proper QA so its not riddled with inaccuracies, this is a good thing in general, hope they learn their lessons from this

[restive rain]

It would depend on when they agreed to send it back and when ltx was happening

[mystic idol]

They agreed to send it back several weeks before ltx

[gray ingot]

let's be honest there are not that many releases in a year, most videos will be for fun jank

[civic plume]

I think LMG thought they get to keep the block and BL agreed they could it too for futher testing in the future but got upset when LMG accidentaly auctioned it off instead.

[restive rain]

Could have been a communication breakdown again

[worn river]

they still managed to scuff it up even then lol

[mystic idol]

No, LMG said explicitly in mid July they would send the block and gpu back

[mystic idol]

Yeah, but it was never addressed in the video. Only the auction part

[civic plume]

okay they asked for it back after Linus didn't like it. My bad

[light cedar]

The GPU block situation is shitty yes, but fretting over details is dumb. The system that created it is the problem

[tender prism]

It was a communication mishap and LTT offered to compensate BL for it

[restive rain]

Oh when did they blur the price

[civic plume]

oh shit they did haha

[restive rain]

Lol

[gray ingot]

you can blur with youtube editing

[restive rain]

Unfortunate that basically everyone knows what it is now

[gray ingot]

??

[fossil monolith]

£2000

[mystic idol]

This is my point, I don't think they addressed that. They promised to have better separation of borrowed vs gifted parts, but nothing to address that several week period where they promised the return of parts but nothing happened

[tender prism]

They offered to reimburse already

It was a mistake and they offered to buy the auctioned block in order to give it back to BL

[mystic idol]

You're missing my point. There was a communication failure. What are they doing to address communication breakdowns going forward

[feral field]

Thank you brudda 🫡🫡

[mystic idol]

This is not specifically about billet labs

[restive rain]

They said they are working on internal processes

[civic plume]

I think fixing and standardizing the processes will help fill the gaps in communication

[tender prism]

They addressed in their video that they are holding off any new videos for at least a couple days or weeks in order to review their internal processes

I don't know what else you want from them

[civic plume]

Not much else they can do at this point

[tender prism]

They offered to reimburse, they are going to review their internal processes

What else do you want?

[gray ingot]

if it was me I would have asked for more, assuming they were using un-patented technology that could fall in rivals hands. Then again for a 2 person company it is not very likely

[civic plume]

Like Linus mentioned, this is the first time something like this happened in their 10+ years of operation (That we know of atleast)

[tender prism]

They were wrong for what they did to BL and they're doing what they can right now to make up for it

[civic plume]

Best thing to do here is to learn from it and never repeat it again with any other company

[fossil monolith]

That would be extortion. Asking for the cost that was incurred is reasonable. More than that is not.

[tender prism]

Like damn, people act like LTT murdered someone

[restive rain]

They could ask for opportunity cost or whatever that is called, basically time they could be doing stuff but couldn’t.

[civic plume]

Also the people claiming LTT might've bankrupt a startup with this was sucha joke

[tender prism]

It was a mistake and a miscommunication and they are addressing it

[neat kiln]

We're back on the nothingburger GN video?

[restive rain]

Seems like it

[civic plume]

Back and forth yeah hahaha

[mystic idol]

Specific "this is why there was a communication breakdown and the parts weren't returned for weeks despite having made promises", and then a specific "we are working on a change to this specific internal process to fix it". Don't handwave away everything with "we will review and improve internal processes", this deserves a specific callout

[tender prism]

Don't go to public chat

[feral field]

I would like to thank this community and most importantly Linus for the overwhelmingly positive response to my subtitle Downfall video. As of right now DBrand has refused to sponsor me for 10 dollars so no small subtitle fix 😢

[neat kiln]

I wouldn't dare

[fossil monolith]

Thats reasonable to include implicit costs as well

[gray ingot]

Do you think 2k is fair for probably hundreds of hours of work?

[worn river]

no need to, we folk here are actually civilized and chill

[civic plume]

It's what BL asked for it

[restive rain]

BUT if Billet Is happy I don’t care

[fossil monolith]

2k is the number that was given, and whether or not it's fair is up to their interpretation

[civic plume]

If they think its fair, who are we?

[tender prism]

Give them some time to review their processes while the shit show is going on before they go on specifics. They are currently working on reaching out to BL and making it right and they will most likely make a statement on what they've done afterwards.

[restive rain]

Nobody, regardless we are nobody

[worn river]

the next video they make is going to be scrutinized haaard though lol

[restive rain]

Eh, doubt it, they don’t need to say anything else on billet

[tender prism]

You realize that GamersNexus blindsided LTT with all this right? LTT is currently scrambling on addressing all the valid points made on their internal process.

[restive rain]

The microphone one yesterday was

[civic plume]

Every video in the next few weeks will be looked at with a microscope for tiny errors haha

[keen bloom]

I don't care about the next video. I care about the videos months from now. Will they make the changes and sustain or just bandaid it.

[restive rain]

True, hopefully it’s sustained

[civic plume]

The next video that comes out will probably be something that was scheduled for this week, meaning its not going to be after the changes in their work flow

[tender prism]

This is an issue with every large corporation in the world. It just is. I am going to make a guess that LTT will do better though.

[neat kiln]

Every video might be gone over for any potential inaccuracies.

[worn river]

fair, if they can sustain these changes ill be pretty happy, i do enjoy watching LTT content, i pray they do it well

[civic plume]

They 100% should be

[restive rain]

Doesn’t mean they will be

But yea, they should be

[mystic idol]

GN "blindsided" LTT about as much as they blindside other companies when they fuck up. Newegg was scrambling just as hard after their whole RMA debacle. The thing is that Steve knows how Linus operates and doing it this way will ensure that his concerns actually get taken seriously, instead of Linus just quietly trying to make it go away but not fix the root causes

Linus definitely would not have allowed for a 1 week production stop to overhaul things if Steve just approached him in private

[neat kiln]

Really waiting to see how the internet takes and runs with Madison. And if anything at all will be said on the matter. Even if it's just a corporate "we're investigating the situation"

[tender prism]

GamersNexus ask these companies for comments on the story beforehand. They did not for LTT

[keen bloom]

My plan is to step away from their content for a bit aka unsub and cancel FP. I set a date in my calendar for ~3 months from. Now to come back and see if things have improved.

[mystic idol]

GN is not obligated to ask for comments on everything beforehand, it's a courtesy that is not required

[fossil monolith]

I doubt it. That's a whole confidentiality and legal nightmare

[tender prism]

Perhaps GamersNexus has a better relationship with the small company known as NewEgg than a large corporation like Linus Media Group though.....

[neat kiln]

Linus has been discussing over the past 3 wan shows how they can get better and fix their inaccuracies. None of which was brought up in Steve's video

[civic plume]

I think their errors and inaccuracy issue, Linus couldnt fix it quietly as its all out in the open anyways. Most people talk about the BL situation when they say GN should have reached out

[tender prism]

So you agree with me that they asked NewEgg for a comment on a story they are about to publish but they didn't give the courtesy to LTT

[civic plume]

Even if Linus fixed the issue, as in reimbursed BL, GN could comment on the absurdity of the situation anyways and make the video

[tiny nimbus]

Billet Labs on Reddit: “LTT has confirmed that the block is with a private individual rather than a rival company, so lost IP is much less of an issue.”

[neat kiln]

Don't forget GN brought up the fact that Linus is invested in framework

[tender prism]

So why would GamersNexus ask Newegg for comment and bring the story to them before publishing it to get their side of the story but they won't do the same for LTT?

[gray ingot]

this is good to hear

[civic plume]

and Asus sponsorships

[fossil monolith]

They took down the video, uh oh

[tender prism]

Good to hear that LTT is working on making it right with Billet Labs

[worn river]

i do think if they reduce their video publishing its gonna get better, means editors/writers etc get more time per video and its gonna be better quality, something like 3-4 vids a week on LTT + wan show works

[civic plume]

GN or LTT?

[fossil monolith]

Ltt

[neat kiln]

Ltt video is still up

[mystic idol]

If Linus isn't taking the problem seriously enough that the problem has been ongoing for a long time and doesnt look to be getting better, then Linus saying how he wants to fix inaccuracies is just empty words

[civic plume]

Yeah for me too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cTpTMl8kFY

[hard lintel]

Is it unlisted?

[fossil monolith]

Must have been

[balmy oriole]

videos tab is buggy (always has been for me)

[hearty crag]

its still up and listed

[neat kiln]

Well ive downloaded it now so. That's 160megabytes that I'll probably just free up in a day or two

[civic plume]

not really, no

[hard lintel]

They trying to edit something out and it's causing bugs?

[fossil monolith]

And now it's showing up again

[mystic idol]

Steve explained why he didn't reach out at 6:35 in the followup video

[tender prism]

Yes I watched it and his reasons are absurd.

[civic plume]

I think we all saw that and still agree he probably should have reached out anyways.

[neat kiln]

Which was really a bad reason given that they were actively handling billet

[restive rain]

They did blur the price, could have been that causing problems

[hard lintel]

That makes sense

[balmy oriole]

Steve cant claim moral highground and simultaniously act the best way to create more views/drama. You gotta pick one.

[tender prism]

He still should've reached out for a comment. GamersNexus didn't need to change the narrative of their video, but they should've gotten LTT's side and represented that as well. That's real journalism.

[restive rain]

“We don’t want to reach out because there is a potential for the other party to defend themself” aka, he wanted his hit piece to hit harder and longer then it would be if ltt had some sort of defense or indication it was coming

[tender prism]

"Potential to defend themselves"

That's a special type of stupid defense

[neat kiln]

The fact that they didn't say anything about how Linus has acknowledged the accuracy problem at least and is trying to be better

[mystic idol]

It's really not that absurd, as I explained, Steve knows how Linus operates and he knew Linus would try to sweep this under the rug if possible

There's a pattern of behavior

[restive rain]

Not enough people are talking about this tbh

[civic plume]

Linus couldn't sweep it under the rug. GN would make the video anyways but only this time, he would only be able to say that the block was auctioned.

[tender prism]

So you make a video attacking another Youtuber and you expect that that Youtuber shouldn't be given a chance to explain themselves?

[civic plume]

LTT would still have to answer for the poor QC in the videos and how tf they manged to auction something off accidentally

[restive rain]

^, it just shows that GN possibly had some alternative motives in his video

[mystic idol]

Which changes nothing about the video

[urban lava]

lol I can't get on the forum

[balmy oriole]

it's fun how last wanshow topic was creating intentional clout for one another and fake "dises" (clearly not this situation

[balmy oriole]

if you are trying mobile cloudflare wont let you

[urban lava]

why

[neat kiln]

It certainly changes that they've acknowledged the issue. And would probably shift the entire videos tone

[civic plume]

Changes kind of a lot. Current narative is that linus "stole" it and refused to pay back until GN spoke out. Which is 100% false. It was a communication error.

[tender prism]

A lot of GamersNexus' highly viewed videos are about drama

[balmy oriole]

idk, but their ddos protection doesnt let me watch from mobile, but perfectly works from pc

[urban lava]

🙃

[balmy oriole]

all of them, actually

[neat kiln]

I wonder. Will GN have any rep with Linus? Did they address this in the video as I still haven't watched.

[mystic idol]

Steve didn't say Linus stole the block, people jumped to that conclusion. The emphasis was on a severe communications breakdown but Steve didn't say there was literal theft

[restive rain]

This, he specifically points out how the agreement was “after” his video, like his video was the reason they are paying him back when they already planned on that

[restive rain]

GN likely won’t reply

[tired topaz]

what are the chances we get a wan this week?

[balmy oriole]

I wish Steve would try to talk a little slower tho. English is my 3rd language and it's kinda hard sometimes, even at normal speed

[drifting creek]

GN videos have a real “well actually” 14 paragraph youtube comment/Reddit reply guy energy monologue

[balmy oriole]

exactly 50%

[restive rain]

Dunno tbh

[neat kiln]

I mean will Linus and GN remain on good terms to Linus, or are bridges burned.

[drifting creek]

I’m sure Linus called Steve at some point

[civic plume]

He didn't but with the proper context, people would not have jumped to that conclusion

[restive rain]

GN probably burned some bridges for the foreseeable feature

[balmy oriole]

he said in his original answer that he did

[neat kiln]

He did?

[balmy oriole]

"There won't be a big WAN Show segment about this or anything. Most of what I have to say, I've already said, and I've done so privately. To Steve, I expressed my disappointment that he didn't go through proper journalistic practices in creating this piece."

I read this as "i have talked to Steve"

[mystic idol]

People make all sorts of shit up and you can't blame Steve for that. Listen to what Steve said again, nowhere is theft mentioned. People jumped to that conclusion themselves and came up with weird conspiracy theories about how LMG didn't actually donate the auction proceeds to charity

I defended LMG against that theory btw

[drifting creek]

Source please

[neat kiln]

Ah alright. Forgot that part

[balmy oriole]

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1526180-gamers-nexus-alleges-lmg-has-insufficient-ethics-and-integrity/
Linus coment uptop in green

[tired topaz]

pretty much the first line in linuses reponse

[tender prism]

Linus is right. Steve (GamersNexus) didn't go through proper journalistic practices in creating this piece. No asking for comment at all from LTT nor did they attempt to get their side of the story.

[civic plume]

I agree with you that people jumped to the weird conclusion but once again, had GN actually reached out for comments, people would see that its a clear error in comms and not malice.

Thats my only point here

[tiny nimbus]

Linus added a pinned comment

It's come to my attention that in Billet Labs' Reddit post, they censored the quoted cost of their prototype water block. We were never asked to keep this information private, and given that our sources for the matter were our own correspondence with them rather than Reddit, we didn't know to include the censorship.

At this point, there's probably not much point Streisand Effecting it, but l'Il blur it anyway on YouTube and we'll get it blurred on Floatplane as soon as one of our editors is awake. -LS

[mystic idol]

Reasonable people already knew it was a comms error. People would have made shit up regardless

If not the BL stuff, something else

And people did make shit up

[restive rain]

Like I suspected, they had no clue it was supposed to be private since billet never told them.

[civic plume]

That's the problem. Unreasonable people are louder.

[mystic idol]

Steve contacting Linus beforehand would not have fixed that

[tiny nimbus]

He also removed monetisation from the video after the fact

[tender prism]

Sounds like there is a lot of miscommunication and mistakes here. I'm glad this wrong is currently being righted by LTT. People act like LTT committed murder or killed the company though which is ridiculous

[tired topaz]

i dont think billet ever expected their emails to be in an ltt vid tbh

[civic plume]

No way to know it would have or it wouldn't. We can agree to disagree?

[tender prism]

Blindsided

[mystic idol]

Contacting beforehand would prevent unreasonable people from making up BS? Nah

[tender prism]

For a video that GamersNexus admitted they've been thinking about for months, to not get a comment from LTT is.....

[mystic idol]

They would find stuff to make up

[neat kiln]

The Madison allegations are just %1000000 worse that they make this nothing look even more like nothing.

[tender prism]

^

[civic plume]

Also, why does it feel like they had this video in the chambers and shot it out the second they could? Its a 40 minute long video, it def took time to prepare

[mystic idol]

Speaking of unreasonable. The fact that people handwave away Madison's stuff because they think she made it up is also bullshit

[tiny nimbus]

It’s 20 minutes long, and all other production was on pause so they had use of all the editors. All of them

[civic plume]

Thats just stupid as fuck. She does not deserve this

[mystic idol]

Honestly the editing for the apology vid was simple, it wouldn't have taken long to edit compared to normal vids

[civic plume]

Im talking about GN

[reef tapir]

I’m not too sure, I met Terren at LTX and he said he was hoping to make an official introduction video soon - and then his comment in this video saying “I wish this was on better terms” it was very recent atleast the past week or two.

[tiny nimbus]

Oh, GN’s 44-minute video has been in the making ever since MurfsGaming’s video surfaced if not before

[balmy oriole]

They filmed it at 9pm, maybe later. I dont believe they would have many other staff wotrking at that time

[mystic idol]

Oh, if you meant the GN video, Steve said he had been working on it for months

[mystic idol]

It's not like the higher ups like Edzel don't know how to do some editing themselves if they have to

Also given the situation, probably an editor or two were on standby given that this threatens the company

[balmy oriole]

maybe it is the first in years vid edited by Linus! /s

[tiny nimbus]

As much of a blindside as the GN video was to LMG the off-hand comment in MurfsGaming’s video and the whole Billit Labs situation was just icing on the hit piece for GN

[restive rain]

Things like these just makes you look entitled, this is why I’m not on Reddit 😭

[tender prism]

Special type of people

[balmy oriole]

next up - give GN all the money from todays video

[neat kiln]

Steve doesn't deserve an apology. Madison does.

[balmy oriole]

can u link this?

[tiny nimbus]

Which

[balmy oriole]

"murfs gaming"

[hard lintel]

Never heard of them so I keep reading "smurf gaming"

[tiny nimbus]

I have the video, lemme find the clip

[civic plume]

Im on reddit but have the LTT subreddit muted cause oh my god its so bad.

[tiny nimbus]

💀 …

[civic plume]

The video that started it all

[balmy oriole]

ah. this one. I have seen that part of the wan show, And I was satisfied with the explanation.

And yes, I dont believe that GN did not work on the video prior to this

[neat kiln]

I feel like GN has been making notes since last year when LTT called out other creators for not contacting them over the backpack warranty situation

[tiny nimbus]

I believe that GN put the time into skimming through various LTT videos to find flaws that he could report on their own, then the MurfsGaming video happened, the Billit Labs thing happened, and suddenly you have a 44-minute hit piece

[civic plume]

the video would happen later anyways, but we got it so quickly because of the BL situation

I can see that happening

[balmy oriole]

Meanwhile floatplane sub count continues to go down

[misty latch]

has anyone seen the lmg Wikipedia page?

[civic plume]

what about it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Media_Group

[misty latch]

ppl added the controversy to the page super fast

[civic plume]

Wikipedia editor wars are always so funny to me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aF_vXQclmE

Reminds me of this video

[misty latch]

tbh the current version of it is pretty good

[remote ridge]

Yeah GN was probably planning to hit on LTT for a long time and I'm glad they waited until after LTX as before LTX would have hurt alot more people.

[restive rain]

Before ltx I could see MUCH damage happening

[civic plume]

I think if he did it before LTX, it would seem a LOT more like a hitpiece

[balmy oriole]

they just found their coup de grâce in BIllit labs situation

[restive rain]

I still consider it a hitpice

[civic plume]

Oh i do too

[misty latch]

it clearly is

[civic plume]

But it would be more obvious if released just before LTX

[ember light]

That a 44 minute video came out so quickly was not in response only to the labs tour gaffe. This was in the works for a while.

[tired jacinth]

It would have been less of an impact, since the comment tim made and the auction of the prototype hadn't happened yet.

[ember light]

That said, it brought very legitimate complaints.

[civic plume]

No arguments there

[misty latch]

definitely

[remote ridge]

The most powerful hit piece is rooted in truth.

[tiny nimbus]

Hackening takes LMG YouTube channels offline: Floatplane subs go up

Allegations against LMG concerning accuracy, ethics and a toxic work environment: Floatplane subs go down

[civic plume]

quick someone hack LTT again

[harsh berry]

on it

[civic plume]

Thanks

[misty latch]

it was the spicy Linus pics

[neat kiln]

I wager a lot of subs also expired after getting ltxerch with

[misty latch]

makes sense

[worn river]

yeah i subbed for a month to get the LTX content

which was friggin awesome, the LTX stuff was really cool

[neat kiln]

I was certainly considering it but just can't afford it

I've missed out, but in the future I won't if this upcoming interview works out

[knotty zinc]

Me and my friend were watching the response video and we had rain sounds playing in the background and she pointed that out, promptly switched the noise machine from rain to fire, seemed more appropriate

[misty latch]

lol

[jagged hare]

Why doesn't dan work on the ltt christmas alblum remaster! Man does not even take his own advice "do it you coward"-dan (wanshow 2023)

[graceful swan]

Hope there is a WAN show this week. Hope it's not the last one I ever want to watch.

Time to take a break from the forum and all this. Hope others also take a break. The sun is shining and I'm going for a bike ride.

[restive rain]

anyone with the dislike plugin for this video?

[tiny nimbus]

One site says 69K dislikes

(nice)

Good idea for a merch message, “how many dislikes did the response video get”

[mystic idol]

70k

[restive rain]

i knew there was something in the video that i didnt like - the floatplane (paid) exclusive on information about how the testing is going to work, "we will do a vlog style video on floatpplane about our testing from start to finish" , disappointing to have a response like that locked behind a paid membership, just feels icky to me

[nocturne terrace]

interesting place today...

[mystic idol]

That's a lot of purple segments from sponsorblock holy shit

[knotty zinc]

The way I keep seeing that top comment and I would truly think it would be hilarious to see that on the WAN show

[tiny nimbus]

A “start to finish” video wouldn’t be worth uploading to YouTube on any of the channels

[restive rain]

could do an unlisted video so it doesn't hurt metrics and people who want to see it can

forum poster posted an interesting discrepancy i havent thought of yet

[mystic idol]

That sounds like they figured that it was worth 2k to have LTT advertise it by using it in a build

But then that didn't happen and then the block wasn't returned for weeks

That doesn't sound very sinister to me

[tiny nimbus]

That’s a pretty selective quote from the email, the quote goes on to say that “we changed our minds when Linus said he didn’t like it” implying it wouldn’t be used in future builds

[mystic idol]

The issue is the time it took to get a resolution more than anything

Cause clearly BL can make and currently is making another prototype

The problem is that because they didn't know what was happening with the original prototype, they basically wasted a month and a half doing nothing

[restive rain]

fair

[native kraken]

if people went after spectrum or apple that way

but nope lets go after a 100 employee company instead

[keen bloom]

whats the read and blue lines?

[mystic idol]

Red is the video playback progress bat

Purple is sponsorblock marked segments

Idk where you see blue?

[keen bloom]

ayo im colourblind...chilllll

[fossil monolith]

No cones gang hell yeah

[mystic idol]

Anyway, purple means other people marked it as filler content

[keen bloom]

ahh nice, is there an iOS version of whatever u are using?

[restive rain]

i did not think most of the video was filler content but....

[mystic idol]

And the yellow means self promotion

[keen bloom]

also, we expecting a WAN show this week?

[fossil monolith]

probably not.

[restive rain]

50% chance

leaning on the side of no

[keen bloom]

but the STREAAAKKKKK

[fossil monolith]

They broke the video streak already, it's not unprecedented.

[neat kiln]

Yeahh. But the video streak isn't too importantly talked about. Wan show streak is

I suppose there's a good chance we'll probably never get a Madison resolution publicly

[restive rain]

1% chance we get a response on that

too big of a legal issue if they miss-speak

[neat kiln]

I feel like Wan would be appropriate this week if any other week. Especially if they use it to break the tension after not uploading for some days

So, is LTX merch still available? The shop pages are still up

[restive rain]

ehhh i can see how people would feel it is inapproperite if they just get on wan all appy and golucky style

[hard lintel]

Chat would be a stream of sulfuric acid

[restive rain]

they would have to disable all the cahts if they wanted something remotly civil

but then they would get called out of disabling chat

people would also find bad taste if they did sponsors or mearch message plugs

[neat kiln]

You think a standard video where they're all happy discussing some product, house update, or something else would be better?

I think cutting sponsors would be fine. Ultimately really, wan itself. How much does it cost them

[restive rain]

idk it seems like an all around "bad" if they plan on doing wan

[neat kiln]

It feels like an all around "bad" if they do anything

[tender prism]

Yeah I agree. They kinda have to disable chat or else all the trolls and spammers would just brigade it but censoring chat is not a very good look at this point in time whether or not the underlying reason is justified

So it's a lose-lose situation

[restive rain]

all around loose situation

[neat kiln]

The comments of any new video would be flooded.
Are they still working on tech linked?

I think a wan to start off would be good. Addressing the community directly

[fossil monolith]

No new videos for at least a week, aside from what they already have in reserve

[restive rain]

it would be a good slow reintroduction, but it would have to be done in a certain way

[tender prism]

It is what it is. That's how internet, trolls, spammers and brigaders work. LTT can only work on improving their internal processes and a lot of this animosity is going to die down

[civic plume]

https://x.com/snazzylabs/status/1691846900864151625

Snazzy Labs (@SnazzyLabs)

With that said, I do want to say something that won’t be popular… we need to set reasonable expectations and timelines for process changes at @LinusTech. It would do us well to cut them a little slack. I don’t think @linusgsebastian is a bad person (I actually think he’s a very…

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Good take

[tender prism]

Excellent take, as a company grows, they will go through some pains and adjustments. There's been a massive overreaction on this situation. LTT definitely needs to improve but they've reacted quite well to the blindside attack and they seem to want to make an effort to change some of their processes

[mystic idol]

Can we stop calling it a blindsided attack? People have been complaining about these things for a while now

[tender prism]

Nope, it was a blindsided attack on LTT

[restive rain]

this is actually a good take

[mystic idol]

I agree with snazzy's take but all of these problems were known and complained about for years, save the billet labs bit

[restive rain]

it was blindsided, nothing to "this level" has hit them before, and they had no time to really prepare for this level of attack at them.

[mystic idol]

And the billet labs non public info is just for the returning of the parts

[tender prism]

GamersNexus would almost always reach out to ask for a comment. They did it for Newegg. They even begged Newegg for an interview on this.

But for LTT, GamersNexus decided to not ask for their comment? Not ask for their side of the story?

[civic plume]

I feel like we went over this exact topic 20 times already but GN very much blindsided LMG with his video

[tender prism]

Is Linus that much harder to reach than a Newegg executive? He must be

[tender prism]

GN brought up many valid points that needed to be brought up.

GN blindsided LTT with the video.

It's not that hard to understand. Both statements can be true.

[civic plume]

Exactly. Both statements are 100% true in this case.

[plush prawn]

Since they're taking time off, has anyone heard if the WAN show streak will end this Friday?

[plush prawn]

Accurate. IMO, no one has a right to comment, though. Is it a common courtesy? Yes.

[restive rain]

they didnt say specifcily but it will be VERY different or not at all imo

no way they can do a normal wan

[plush prawn]

It's wild that just two weeks ago Linus was just talking about all the errors they've had, and thinking of starting up a bounty program. The timing.

I'm just catching up on last weeks WAN show.

[restive rain]

its almost like they knew about the issues and where activly working on fixing them or something

🙄

[balmy oriole]

Taren was invited to be CEO litterally because Linus said he did not have the needed knoweledge

So this started like a half year ago

[neat kiln]

I keep saying this. Steve neglected to mention how he discussed any of this

[civic plume]

And Steve clearly did his research so its unlikely he didn’t know this part

[plush prawn]

Agreed, but it's not up to Steve to defend LMG. Steve saw a problem and wanted it voiced, especially after the Unboxed thing.

[restive rain]

ITs aLmOST liKE tHEY KneW aBoUT THE ISsUES aND WHeRE acTivLY WOrkING oN FIxINg thEM Or soMEtHing

[plush prawn]

But how long did it take you to write that out?

[restive rain]

2s

[neat kiln]

Considering the random upper and lower case rather than alternating, not very long

[civic plume]

https://www.cemerick.com/stopthatrightnow/

[plush prawn]

Saved.

[neat kiln]

Interesting. Didn't realize there were tools but makes sense that there is lol

[fathom quarry]

Someone made a tool for that?

[plush prawn]

Gd, public moves fast.

"CEO Terren Tong tells The Verge an outside investigator will be hired to examine the harassment allegations."

I'd love to see the usage/utilization metrics for this server since a couple weeks before LTX. 📉📈📉📈📈📉📈📈

[hard lintel]

I'm not glancing at or touching public, my brain cells would all run away

[restive rain]

is this true? where is this from? where did they get comment on this so quick

do you have a source

[hard lintel]

This is weird, I've been able to chat here without feeling the mental exhaustion I felt when this kicked off

I think the advice to change my mindset to a spectator helped but I'm still a bit self conscious when I take out my water bottle or look at any of the stickers it came with

[plush prawn]

Verge.

[restive rain]

can someone point to me where the sponser was in the apology beyond the ltt strore callout?

[hard lintel]

The only thing that comes close is "dbrand offered"

[plush prawn]

Just sponsor jokes, and I guess folks didn't like that.

[hard lintel]

Maybe folks interpreted a name drop as paid but they'd have to disclose it properly

[balmy oriole]

this is the first story on theverge.com

[hearty crag]

which I have no doubt is actually true, because DBrand

[hard lintel]

I believe they would offer too

[hearty crag]

"hey shitting on linus is OUR thing!!!"

[restive rain]

relevent aprt since the rest of the article is filler nonsense/things we already know

[hard lintel]

I've always been curious as to what a investigation like this actually looks like. Like, what does the investigator do?

[neat kiln]

That's a response then.