the-wan-show

[tiny nimbus]

Main channel video lesgooooo

[restive rain]

doubt it

[vital blaze]

I think Jayztwocents and Pauls hardware should critique this GN video based on journalistic integrity

[tired topaz]

im not accepting any apology until linus gets up on wan show with a ukelele

[boreal fiber]

lmao

[restive rain]

togic gossib train

[arctic girder]

the point about framework makes no sence as linus always makes a point of mentioning he holds an investment with the company personally and as for noctua LTT and LTTStore are 2 different companies and linus has raved about there products as long as I can remember even long before he has worked with them on merch

[tired topaz]

wait when did framework get brought up?

[arctic girder]

please excuse spelling i have server dyslexia

[vital blaze]

ya hes just dragging LMG's name through the mud at that point

[robust mirage]

there is an argument to be made about some of the statements being libelous

[tiny nimbus]

Halfway through the video

[vital blaze]

its brought up tonge and cheek throughout some parts of the vid i dont remember when

[arctic girder]

the points about testing and checking charts is 110% right but most of the video is garbage i was more worked up about billetlabs stuff but thats been sorted so steve can fuck off

[vital blaze]

ya testing and charts was all facts

[robust mirage]

but if he fucks off how can he drive views to his channel and compete with Linus while labs gets setup

[restive rain]

seems like he has not made an ammend to the video about how linus is fixing the problem with billit yet

[robust mirage]

this video was all in the name of de-legitimizing LTT as a competitor to his channel

[pseudo plume]

I mean why steve has to worry if his competitor pumps out misinformation anyway?

[robust mirage]

of the 3 or 4 cherry picked examples

[vital blaze]

like GN's misinformation in that vid?

[pseudo plume]

Yeah they are the major ones, why cant a multi million dollar company spend 500 usd to fix it?

[pseudo plume]

There has been some mistakes but the overall point is valid

[tired topaz]

im ngl tho, mean and my friend have been noticing more corrections to videos as of late

[restive rain]

people will just blindly follow and "love" the GN video because how he presents it

[vital blaze]

valid to not get both sides of the billet labs story?

[pseudo plume]

Point Steve was making that LMG shouldnt do quantity over quality, not billetlabs

[robust mirage]

as a wake up call to LTT to do better on its fact checking, the video could have been 2 minutes

[vital blaze]

thats a pretty big misinformation right there @pseudo plume

[robust mirage]

the other 43 minutes was purely a diss track

[vital blaze]

haha cherry picking I see

[restive rain]

lol

[vital blaze]

Cant get accurate information from Gamer's Nexus eithher

[pseudo plume]

Wdym cherry picking tho that was the point of the video

The major mistake steve did is not reaching out to LMG

[vital blaze]

so theyre no champions of journalism either

[vital blaze]

thats huge error on steve's part so I cant trust them either

[tired topaz]

thats prob the biggest critique of gns video that id have too

[restive rain]

disbite the claims of his jurnalistic duties to provide fair and unbiased info lol

[robust mirage]

he posted what was ostensibly a twitlonger of his opinion that LMG was making criminally bad content and should be shamed for it

[vital blaze]

Gamer's Nexus claism to be for the consumer

yet they were not fully truthful in this video either

so I cant watch them either

[pseudo plume]

That still doesnt make LMG mistakes any less valid. They spend millions on a lab only to spread misinformation?

[vital blaze]

no one left to watch

[robust mirage]

should have been an email.mp4

[vital blaze]

GN is doing the same thing sir

spreading misinformation to their fanbase

billetlabs is a hot button topic

[pseudo plume]

I am not defending GN. They both have wrongs but LMG has bigger wrongs rn

[vital blaze]

I dont think so

GN damaged their journalistic integrity as well now too

If i cant trust LMG i cant trust GN either

[robust mirage]

some typos on some stat sheets that didn't influence the actual benchmarks, and an overpriced copper heat block

world ending mistakes, everyone panic

[vital blaze]

you cant just pick and choose

[tiny nimbus]

I came away from the initial Billet Labs video with the impression that the video should have been scrapped, too much went badly wrong in the making of the video

[arctic girder]

i,ve just left him a scathing comment on his channel and unsubscribed

[vital blaze]

yes the charts are wrong and mistakes were bad by LMG but those are fixable

[pseudo plume]

Well if you are repeating statements i already gave my answers to. Oh well ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vital blaze]

im just not blindly following GN oh well

dragging LMG's name and insuating other things is very wrong

saying framework this noctua that

billletlabs lmg took them apart and left them alone to die

very bad impressions from that vid and highly inaccurate

[robust mirage]

and the audacity to say "this was a really hard video for me to make", 600k views to your channel says otherwise

[neat kiln]

It's funny because it felt like at the beginning, he was calling out Linus, for calling him out, for not reaching out to Linus to get their story

Also just coming back to this chat after grocery shopping. Got a lot more busy i see

[arctic girder]

his videos get a average for 160k veiws he did it for the views

[robust mirage]

100%

Drama Nexus

[neat kiln]

He did disable monetization on the video he says, but it surely will draw traffic to the channel. But I do applaud calling out inaccuracies. But it also feels a little hollow, not addressing comments made by Linus in the last 2 wan shows

[pseudo plume]

Steve presented the problem in a wrong manner, the salt is felt.

LMG is doing wrong things. Steves salt doesnt change this.

Both are in the wrong.

You are acting like LMG is untouchable,

[vital blaze]

if he kept it to the charts it would have been fine

[robust mirage]

didn't disable Super Chats

[vital blaze]

his whole video is about crediblity

[vital blaze]

he lost it all in that vid letting personal vendetta or something shape the vid

[neat kiln]

They really shouldn't have mentioned framework at all

[vital blaze]

I never said LMG was perfect lmao

[pseudo plume]

That is very true

[vital blaze]

I said earlier he was right about the charts

[restive rain]

yea, all the supper chats with supportive comments being elivated to the top, im sure he loves the money he is making from it lol

[vital blaze]

but the crux of his vid is to get dirty on lmg's name @pseudo plume

[arctic girder]

hes pissed off cause lmg are moving into testing products and until now that's been his bag

[restive rain]

and it worked for a lot of people

[vital blaze]

exactly

like Lake over here

[robust mirage]

it saddens me how easily people fall for this shit

[restive rain]

as linus said, something something people wont like this something something

[vital blaze]

wolf in sheep's clothing

[pseudo plume]

[vital blaze]

the sheep will fall for what they want to see

but the whole video was about journalism and integrity

supposedly

it started out that way

[restive rain]

its ironic in a way

[vital blaze]

I guess the charts werent enough for him lol

[robust mirage]

if we assume the best of intentions here, all he's asking is for LMG to do better, and thats all we can ask too

if we assume the worst of intentions he wants drama

[pseudo plume]

LTTs quality has been dropping off regardless of GNs video. It felt so sloppy watching it for info compared to say 3 years ago

[restive rain]

he sure got drama

[vital blaze]

his snarky remarks

make it seem like he wants the internet aflamed

[robust mirage]

so regardless what his intention was, we have the worst possible response

[vital blaze]

exactly because thats the internet

and who wouldnt be surprised about the reaction Steve certainly isnt it

[neat kiln]

Linus might not address the video directly. But I'm sure that this wan show, they will address their plans to do better and increase video quality again.

[restive rain]

chat wont let him not adress it tbf

[native nimbus]

reviewing tech on the correct products would be a nice start

[arctic girder]

as the whole mouse thing linus addressed that friday

[hard lintel]

did steve remark on the "you never contacted us" claim

[restive rain]

wdym?

[robust mirage]

I mean all this occurs while they were trying to organize the first LTX in 3 years, and passing the torch of CEO for the first time, and dealing with staff inflation and delegation, they've been busy

[native nimbus]

and?

[restive rain]

he never mentioned anything about reaching out and talking to LMG during the filiming of the video

[hard lintel]

like did he reply to linus and was that in his reply

[native nimbus]

100+ people

[tiny nimbus]

Steve made the hit piece he wanted to make since the moment Tim’s off-hand comment about testing surfaced in MurfsGaming’s labs tour video. Toss in some post-production corrections, vague accusations of sponsor/investor bias and a few Luke side-eyes, and boom, content

[vital blaze]

if you dont like LTT what are you doing in the discord nada red lol

[native nimbus]

I like LTT

but I think the heat sink incident was pretty vile

[robust mirage]

pretty stupid to send your only prototype

[vital blaze]

oh becasuse maybe you didnt get the other side of it like steve intended

[native nimbus]

I've watched the LTT stuff on it

what other side should I get?

[neat kiln]

It was likely mis/no communication.
Near everyone doubts it was on purpose the auction

[robust mirage]

there is an ltt forums post

[native nimbus]

happy for some recommendations

they tested the thing on the wrong product

[vital blaze]

you see @pseudo plume thats the reaction Steven wanted

[native nimbus]

then refused to retest it to quote linus because it would cost money

[robust mirage]

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1526180-gamers-nexus-alleges-lmg-has-insufficient-ethics-and-integrity/page/16/#comment-16078641

[restive rain]

i think linus mentioned something like "dont atribute malice to something that could be atributed to incompetence" or something last wan show

¯_(ツ)_/¯

seems pretty fitting for this situation

[native nimbus]

Do you guys think Linus would have been happy with an early prototype of the backpack/screwdriver being told at a charity auction without his permission?

[robust mirage]

read the response

Linus has addressed all of this

[restive rain]

he was pretty mad at the backpack being at a thrift store sooo

[vital blaze]

i dont think we got both sides of the story in the video

which was pretty clear

[restive rain]

he said he wont dedicate time to it

though i doubt that statement is true, chat will not let up about it until it is talked about lol

[native nimbus]

Do you guys think the screwdriver should be reviewed by its ability to be used as a hammer?

[restive rain]

what does that have to do with anything

[native nimbus]

Well the cooler was used on the incorrect product

and reviewed as such

[robust mirage]

it really doesn't bother me as much as it seems to bother you

[restive rain]

they should have explicitly said it should not be used on the 4090 if it was a big deal to them

[hard lintel]

screwdriver and hammer are entirely different tools, not classes of the same tool

[robust mirage]

it was an impractical $600 block of copper

[native nimbus]

I mean it can be inpractical and expensive

[restive rain]

also this lol

[native nimbus]

still not reviewing it correctly

[fallow plume]

Fuck Linus Fuck Spez Fuck Xi Jinping

[restive rain]

so thier review was not bassed off the preformance though

[native nimbus]

I mean their conclusion can be the same

but if you aren't using it correctly

[robust mirage]

its an LTT video, of an impractical product, if he hooked wheels to it and drove it around the parking lot it'd still be an LTT video

[native nimbus]

then jfc

[restive rain]

so whats the problem?

[native nimbus]

[restive rain]

it sounds like you are trying to make problems out of something that really dosent need a problem made out of it

[native nimbus]

okay should we be reviewing cpu heatsinks for 1700 sockets on a 1151 board?

[vital blaze]

whats a headsink

[native nimbus]

heatsink my bad

[boreal fiber]

sink for head

[hard lintel]

if yall keep talking like this to each other, the other will only get more defencive

[restive rain]

lol just saw a post poping off on r/pcmasterrace memeing the situation about ltt auctioning it, its definitely blowing up how GN wanted it to

[native nimbus]

I mean if it is okay to review the cooler on the incorrect GPU then surely it is fine to review a 1700 socket heatsink on a 1151 board

[robust mirage]

I think its also a bit generous to call it a review, it was a product feature

[vital blaze]

i dont even remember the vid now but did say it can go on a 4090?

[robust mirage]

the word review does not appear in the video

[restive rain]

they said it could potentionly, though they never tested it on a 4090 since they didnt have one

so yes, if they really didint want it shown on a 4090 they should have just said "no dont use it on one"

[tiny nimbus]

*3090

[restive rain]

uhm no, please re-read my message

[vital blaze]

hmm ok i guess that kind of opens it up I guess

[tiny nimbus]

Ah “they” was Billet Labs, I misread

[robust mirage]

I mean the very opening of that video should have warned off anyone looking for a serious review

the writer has never water cooled, the engineer has never water cooled, and its a prototype

says it all

[tiny nimbus]

The video should have at least been delayed until LTT could source a 3090 to test with

[robust mirage]

it was a crap video

but it is not the high crime Steve is accusing them of

[restive rain]

writer wanted to, linus said no and shipped it

[native nimbus]

Linus said it would cost too much to do the video properly

[restive rain]

again, becasue it wouldnt change the outcome of the video

[native nimbus]

because the "outcome would be the same"

but like that is by chance

[tiny nimbus]

$500 of employee time is a steal

[robust mirage]

you pay it

[native nimbus]

[robust mirage]

its just not that big a deal, the only reason we're talking about it is because its been held up as this example of an unholy f- up by someone else in the same community who wants beef

I'm not losing any sleep over the heatsink

[native nimbus]

LTT staff = quality needs to improve
Parasocial imps = nah incorrect reviews and product use are fine

[robust mirage]

See this is the problem coming into a conversation halfway, I've been saying this whole time that we all want LTT to improve, and do better

what I don't want is this us vs them drama

[native nimbus]

A product being reviewed for the incorrect use case and the reason it not being reviewed on the correct product is that it would cost a couple hundred bucks

should be setting off alarm bells

[robust mirage]

not a review

[native nimbus]

none of that is to do with GN

[vital blaze]

but the 4090 wasnt incorrect

[hard lintel]

replace the word review with opinion

[vital blaze]

so nada red back to the drawing board

[restive rain]

if it was so incorrect billit should have said something

[robust mirage]

If the question is should the Billet video have been done better, I would argue it should not have been done at all, he clearly didn't give a shit about the product

its not even a product you can buy

[ancient parrot]

they never reached out to billet for comment before publishing their review and ignored the materials billet sent over clarifing what gpus it is for and how to install. Then despite this they begin whining that GN didnt contact them after GN calls that out? Thats billets problem?

[restive rain]

Gn did not contact them regarding the auctioning of the billit proto, which they would have learned they have offered to fully pay back whatever they need to make a new proto

[robust mirage]

not just offered, an invoice was submitted

[restive rain]

and yes, reagrdless the video on the block was mediocer at best

[ancient parrot]

LTT never contacted billit before publishing a video on their cooler and a WAN show segment saying NOBODY should buy the product. That is far more egrigous than GN choosing to report on a situation and not contacting a party involved. Especially considering Billit provided a sample with instructions including returning it that were completely ignored.

[keen bloom]

Ok so who us woffer and why do hou take linus side? Are you linus? Or luke?

[robust mirage]

[restive rain]

[vital blaze]

pretty egigous not to get LTT's side and also dragging thier name poorly into the ground. GN isnt credible either

[keen bloom]

The evidence is overwhelming. He must address this i say within a month end of story also a post on his forum is not a proper way to face the people he harmed.

[robust mirage]

why is everyone so ready to fight about this

[ancient parrot]

I dont believe LTT can demand any media published about them requires contact for coment when ltt will not give the same courtesy to a company whose prototype they kind of trashed. Then being told they did it wrong he calls it trash again on the wan show

kind of wild behaviour

[vital blaze]

GN cant do this either lol thats a joke

[restive rain]

horrible take ngl

[robust mirage]

my god

[keen bloom]

Bored, need to talk to somebody. Had a bad day at work. Its just the internet.

[restive rain]

how DARE someone have an opinion on a product, oh the horror

[ancient parrot]

GN never got samples and wasnt cooperating with ltt... LTT was in communication with billit apples to oranges mate

[hard lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/hate-gif-19575282

[vital blaze]

listen mate GN has no credibllity here

[restive rain]

tf you even arguing about now

[ancient parrot]

Mate i cant review a cooler for an amd cooler on an i7 and call it trash for preformance

[robust mirage]

theres the review word again

[ancient parrot]

You called out GN for not contacting LTT despite LTT never contacting billit

[vital blaze]

mate they trashed ltt's name without getting their side either

[ancient parrot]

name a false claim in that video

[restive rain]

ok? still dosent change the fact GN didnt contact LTT

[vital blaze]

Linus has already resolved the issue with billet regarding their prototype

[keen bloom]

Eh? What side? Linus has like 3 youtube channels and a whole company about videos. He can put the word out. If he cared enough.

[restive rain]

which also dosent change the fact LTT didnt contact billit

whats your point

[restive rain]

3? LOL

much more then 3

[vital blaze]

GN didnt contact LTT doesnt make them right either

[ancient parrot]

It definitely does if LTT has previously not given other companies that benifit why do they expect it?

[vital blaze]

theyre all wrong

[restive rain]

2 wrongs don't make a right

havent you ever learned that

[vital blaze]

GN isnt credible LTT isnt credible no one is credible

[keen bloom]

Which is wierd, but i get it. You dont contact the criminals (alleged) if you are doing an expose.

[robust mirage]

its not an expose

it was criticism

[vital blaze]

criminals? thats journalism you get both sides. bright one here huh

[restive rain]

he claimed he is doing his journalistic duties, a journalist contacts all parties for thier stories

[keen bloom]

They had clips….

[vital blaze]

GN is neither journalistic or credible

[restive rain]

what does clips have to do with anything lmao

it is just what he is using to show his criticism

showing its not "baseless"

[ancient parrot]

anybody able to point to a single lie in GNs video?

[restive rain]

though there was no need for some of what he said

[gaunt sapphire]

this chat feels very much no one watched the latest WAN show

[keen bloom]

Not the mafia. Not the drug lords and certainly not the guy that you are trying to distance from. He said he felt bad for even putting the video out.

[robust mirage]

This conversation has actually become too stupid for me to participate in

[vital blaze]

I just told you its been resolved Linus is paying forthe prototype

[keen bloom]

Actually yeah i did not. What did i miss?

[ancient parrot]

That hadnt been publicly stated when the video went live lmao

[restive rain]

he is just putting on the somberness for the video, it dosent change the fact he claims to be a journalist but dosent contact all sides for thier stories

[vital blaze]

but in all GN's journalistic integrity they couldntfind that out, they only went for one of side of the story mate

[restive rain]

thats why you contact all parties for their sides 😭

and yet, i still dont see a correction posted from GN about that fact

jfc

[keen bloom]

So linus did a wan show and not a dedicated apology like he has demanded of other companies. Come on. He had to know that was bad form. Right?

[restive rain]

im loosing braincells

[restive rain]

he made an apology post on the form, do you want more?

[ancient parrot]

Which is far less of an error than two videos calling a product something nobody should buy. Reporting on bad charts and selling a prototype is not the same as reviewing or showcasing a product. lmao ive never said GN didnt fuck up on that. But it is not the same lmao apples to oranges

[gaunt sapphire]

early on in the episode, talking about para-social relationships with the communities and streamers etc

[ancient parrot]

He said on last weeks wan show the product was terrible still regardles of what they did and it wasnt worth trying to redo testing

[restive rain]

calling a product something nobody should buy
?????

so? who cares? thats thier conclusion from what they know about the product, would you feel the same way if they said no one should be a certain case becasue they dont like it?

[vital blaze]

uh dragging someones name with false information just as bad if not worse

[restive rain]

and selling a prototype
like linus said duirng wan last week, "dont attribute to malice what could be attributed to incompetence", aka they need better internal communication

[restive rain]

im fairly sure that was not last week but the one weeks ago when the video came out, right? or am i miss remembering

[ancient parrot]

what information from gamers nexus was false? you keep ignoring this when i ask except for bringing up they dont have a time machine

[ancient parrot]

If your saying thats due to thermals when you used it with incompatible hardware i think id care

[vital blaze]

i answered i dont know what youre reading mate

learn to use the scrollwheel

[restive rain]

they said the conclusion wouldnt change even if they retested it, did you not watch the video or followup?

[ancient parrot]

You said they needed to issue an update that ltt responded Thats not false information

[restive rain]

its interesting how they are pressed about LTT issuing corrections but they dont issue corrections themself

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ancient parrot]

https://gamers.nexus/ethics-statements/errors-corrections-amp-data

bit of a tell you dont watch Gamers Nexus the corrections segment gets long sometimes

[restive rain]

your right, i never claimed to watch GN, i simply said they have not corrected thier video on LTT yet. never said anything about anything else

im done with this convo lol

to many brain cells i lost

[vital blaze]

ya i like the mute button lol

[keen bloom]

Sorry but i wish linis made a short about this on youtube. Pointing people to a 2 hour stream is bad form.

[hard lintel]

i think im going to move to a discord talking about ksp2 theres much friendlier conversation there in comparison lol

[restive rain]

ksp2?

oh kerble space program 2?

[keen bloom]

Yes, restitution and a video apology. Would be nice.

[hard lintel]

the joke is people are also angry but this chat is so vile it looks peaceful in comparison

[restive rain]

he did resititution and a text appology

[keen bloom]

I dont think you fallow journalism often.

[restive rain]

what different would a video appology be if he said the same thing

[restive rain]

ah, sorry i didnt know people where angry

[keen bloom]

I enjoy evil.

[hard lintel]

i see

[keen bloom]

Also there is nobody mad here just hype and questions. And some fangirls. But that is that

One more thing that is somewhat concerning i 100% miss all asterisk corrections. The kind that flashes in the video. Bcs usually i lisent to the ltt content. I dont watch the videos just lisent to them at work. So any flash in correction i miss 100%. 😕

[restive rain]

jfc the latest video is just fluded with comments about GN situtation

could have seen that coming from a mile away

will never hear the end of this crap

[robust mirage]

everyone wants to fight

bandwagon outrage

[restive rain]

mhm

hope you didnt want to read any usefull coments on this video linus

cus you wont get any 💀

lol what would a dialogue solve

[robust mirage]

they all want drama, they want it to be a big argument

thats not even the intention of the video

[hard lintel]

watch people be dissatisfied if they talk in private and reach an agreement

[bold token]

it really was a bunch of nothing through most of the video. but like the only thing worth taking any real notice is that a slowdown of videos out would be good. and like DUH they already know that

[robust mirage]

the video was literally just creative criticism

[restive rain]

watch people be dissatisfied at literally anything either of them do

[hard lintel]

fair

[restive rain]

its all just pointless drama at this point

[robust mirage]

literally the video was "Heres some things I noticed I don't like, take that criticism and try to do better, peace"

and everyones like 🔥 OHHHH SHIT HE DIDNT

SHOTS FIRED

[bold token]

yeah the not wanting drama bit is kinda hard to believe. if he didnt want to stir up drama why not just talk in private

[robust mirage]

I agree

[hard lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-green-screen-crash-gif-24396972

[robust mirage]

but I also think people are reading what they want into it

[pastel garden]

Yea fr

What was the apology anyways I didn’t see it

[restive rain]

jfc

[bold token]

it doesn't matter if the video is monetized because it still draws attention to the channel.

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1526180-gamers-nexus-alleges-lmg-has-insufficient-ethics-and-integrity/page/16/#comment-16078641

was the apology

[restive rain]

yea i read it

[bold token]

it was for squid

[restive rain]

which since he responded, its all pointless drama now

[restive rain]

ah missed that

[bold token]

srry i forgot to hit reply and got to lazy to repaste it 💀

yeah i hope the next show truely is mostly devoid of this so i can get my long form tech news while i work

basically my only source of entertainment while im out and i really dont need another month of the cursed saga where its just TMB talk all over again

i get like whiplash everytime its brought back

[restive rain]

😬

cant wait for this to be flung into the controversy

honestly i hope its not touched on to much during wan becasue its already tiring

[robust mirage]

I just don't care either way ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hard lintel]

who is?

[restive rain]

hm?

[hard lintel]

is it just a random comment

or someone who knows their stuff

[stone bear]

probably no one, it's the comment that's pointing out an issue on the video

[pastel garden]

The only problem is that a lot of people won’t see the apology unless he mentions it on wan

[stone bear]

the result of the stuff happening today

[bold token]

its literally a useless comment lol, if its not right tell them how to do it.

[restive rain]

dunno, seems to be a random, could be completely baseless/just trying to capitalize on the drama for interent points

[hard lintel]

i can easily imagine several people going back through every video and going "lol, you tested it wrong"

[stone bear]

it's a good thing

[bold token]

yeah people are gonna be douches over this for a while. imagine the horror of one single test having a comma in the wrong spot

[pastel garden]

The mistakes suck but they’ve mentioned it before and how they want to fix them such as on last wan show I think it was but the big issue that they have since apologized for is the billet labs thing but unfortunately people will continue to make it a big deal for a long time especially if he doesn’t mention it at all on wan

[restive rain]

no no, you mean imagine if they post any test results at all

valid or not

people will sound off on them

[bold token]

people are gonna do their own tests publish the incorrectly done test results as proof linus messed theirs up

then get mad at them and demand them to be taken down

[robust mirage]

all he needs to say is "we'll do better", there is no need to go into it any further than that and people who wont accept that have already made up their mind

[restive rain]

this is why i hate yt dramma

[bold token]

and now they have to redo every test to appease these people

[restive rain]

people take the sh-- way to far

[bitter heron]

That's not just YT drama; that's internet or culture at present.

[bold token]

i feel so bad for the guy who said the gamers nexus comment in the lab

[bitter heron]

People are basically great until they have one mistake, then it's crank the cancel button to 11. Not a defense of anything LTT related; but just a general disdain for people not being allowed to have mistakes when the people that are screaming at them, most assuredly; have also made mistakes.

[hard lintel]

if you took the screenshot could you take a look at the poster's channel

[bold token]

because now hes gotta think about how much hes "damaged" the company knowing people are doing this out of spite and stuff

i just hope he knows its not his fault

[bitter heron]

I feel bad for all the employees, starting with those most junior. I can imagine their internal MS teams is lighting up right now.

[restive rain]

cba, already clicked off the page

dont want to spend more mental energy on reading those comments

[hard lintel]

k

[tired topaz]

oof peeps aint havin it on the latest vid

[bitter heron]

Be curious how many of those dislikes watched the actual video.

[bold token]

true this has gotta be aweful seeing people take your work and trash it for sometimes legit no reason

[tired topaz]

true

[restive rain]

its sad considering that they are not disliking over the quality of the video, but the drama the GN threw at them

[pastel garden]

1 minute ago techlinked 😐

[restive rain]

💀

[bold token]

no way company wants money LOL

[restive rain]

so true

[bitter heron]

The internet (especially newer social media platforms) have just made a culture of even faster instant reactions.

[restive rain]

imagine a company wanting money

[robust mirage]

🙄

[restive rain]

insane

[thorny pilot]

Jayztwocents dropped a comment.

[bold token]

how dare they try to feed their employees

[robust mirage]

Jay sees it for what it is

[pastel garden]

How dare Linus try to make money to keep the company going and to literally pay his employees

[tired topaz]

pretty solid take by jay

[bitter heron]

Yes indeed.

[robust mirage]

imagine having the emotional maturity to see criticism as criticism

[bitter heron]

I like Jay, he's an entertaining guy, great PC builder - but knows full out he's not an expert on things and never claims to be.

[restive rain]

random people on the internet dont have that

[tired topaz]

i really hope linus comes on the forum tomorrow or something and makes a new statement, the current one aint amazing

[robust mirage]

I think its fine

[bitter heron]

Oh I hadn't even see one yet

[tired topaz]

lemme find the link

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1526180-gamers-nexus-alleges-lmg-has-insufficient-ethics-and-integrity/?do=findComment&comment=16078641

they changed the embed

interesting

[bold token]

idk i mean what is there to change

like its concise

[restive rain]

it keeps changing, it seems to grab some random image posted in the thread

[tired topaz]

interesting

i liked the "imma head out" one the best, personally

[bold token]

reasonable and not like attacking gn and is pretty much correct

[hard lintel]

"Hey evolution, can you give me tribalism behaviour so we humans stick together and not get picked off by predators?"
"To not get picked off by predators?"
"Yes"
[community drama time]

[restive rain]

jfc dexerto has some wizards

they already have a article on it

[robust mirage]

aint gpt amazing

I'm more interested in coverage of OpenAI possibly going bankrupt

[restive rain]

oi? 👀

[robust mirage]

https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/openai-may-go-bankrupt-by-2024-chatgpt-costs-company-700000-dollars-every-day-12986012.html

[restive rain]

that sounds way more interesting then this bs

[robust mirage]

operating cost of 700k a day

Microsoft wont let it sink, they'll sink their claws in deeper

[bitter heron]

They're developing a ton of features around it (I work with their tools quite heavily in my day job)

[robust mirage]

oh they've fully banked on AI in every facet of windows and office, it'd be a hell of a thing to pull all that out now

like imagine explaining that to the average user in Edge, lol just kidding ,never mind all that about Bing AI

[lethal cargo]

this weekends wanshow is gonna be lit

[marble mica]

I have had a meeting with my team last week about treading lightly with how dependend they become to AI. I've seen people strugle to write emails after having them written through chatgpt for so long.

[restive rain]

wow

[robust mirage]

I've been leaning pretty hard on GPT for co-authoring content for my tabletop RPGs and for that its been brilliant but I wont embrace it for business, its a novelty

[restive rain]

i really havent leaned on ai to much

[marble mica]

We lean on it HEAVY

[restive rain]

if anything its to help fix coding errors

[marble mica]

Our latest service has been in development for 8 months, our first viable production of the actual work to do was 40 hours when we begun, after automation and chatgpt, its now down to 8 hours with no significant loss of quality.

[robust mirage]

the business I work for thinks it can cut down on calls to tech support with an FAQ / self-help AI, and I....hoo boy....I mean if we're talking AI assisted password resets....for hipaa info 😬

[restive rain]

yikes

[robust mirage]

yeah I'm not touchin that

and really is it going to save that much more money than hiring out 5 or 6 guys in india

[marble mica]

Business don't seem to have the clue how much benefit easy acces to calling a business truly has....

Don't screw up so often, and have a people oriented support team

I had to go through an AI chatbot today that took 5 minutes of info before I got acces to a phone number

Only to go over the same fucking shit during the phone call

[robust mirage]

I will applaud my local power company's use of AI for their phonelines, that actually works well

"If the residential number for your residence is blah, press 1" ... "Yeah your powers out, sucks, call back later" 👍

just checkin

[marble mica]

Thats not really AI is it? Just logic paths

[bitter heron]

Even before AI bots; you'd do the same with the early 2000's systems of "say your name" "say your card #" only to get "Hi can I have your card number and name please?" 😛

[marble mica]

Yeah... not AI

[bitter heron]

Yeah if you've never worked with call flows / call manager, you would be shocked how 1980's telephony is

[robust mirage]

well the term AI is being used a lot where it shouldn't

[marble mica]

All of a sudden, everything is AI, while most of these functions are just simple logic paths

[robust mirage]

yeah

[marble mica]

Routers determining QoS based on average use is not AI

But hey, AI powered QoS

[bitter heron]

I blame marketers. They take a 1 hour webinar on a thing then put that thing everywhere

[marble mica]

Sorry!

[bitter heron]

like "AI" or "i" or "Smart"

[robust mirage]

what I love is when its a very narrow spectrum chatbot being positioned as AI, but if you ask it literally anything other than the 3 questions it knows its like "Nah dawg"

[bitter heron]

@marble mica sorry! do you market for a living? 🙂

[restive rain]

i sleep now, will be very excited (not) to read how this progresses through the night

[bitter heron]

Oh yeah my only GN related thought now is looking at the view count. Normal GN videos appear to be in the 150-400K (past dozen or so), this is 1M+, eep.

[robust mirage]

drama sells

[marble mica]

Sorta? I run an agency that started out as solely marketing. We've transformed into building robust ecommerce systems tailored to people and ease of use, our systems wildly outperform their competition in terms of conversion rate, aov, return of customers etc. Simply based on human psychology, no sleaky tricks like low stock, fake discounts, fake 'live people' etc.

Outside of that, yes we do offer digital marketing services, but not all of our clients like our more ethical approach to it

[bitter heron]

I did see someone in the forums talking about how they hated Steve - I don't watch enough of GN's content (nor do I build enough PC's) to have a viewpoint; but my one observation about the pre-builds is there must be one that's decent. Maybe not amazing 10/10 - but they all seem to review as laughably bad (maybe they are?)

@marble mica oh cool stuff! Well as long as you're not putting "AI" in front of everything 😉

[hard lintel]

today has been a mentally exhausting day. mental exhaustion most of us didnt need

[marble mica]

How come?

[robust mirage]

don't take it on yourself

let it flow over you

[bitter heron]

^^ Pretty much, Monday's are always busy for me at work - I've got a full morning tomorrow already

And yes, don't let the GN+LTT stuff consume you, in the end we're just viewers. We have opinions, but it's not ours to fix. And folks are free to watch/not watch or subscribe/unsubscribe at their will without juding others.

[marble mica]

Quick Tip; don't care about it

I have a policy. Its also super smart AI (simply logic)

Can you do something about it?

Yes = do something about it
No = don't worry about it

[bitter heron]

👍

[distant walrus]

Based

[static granite]

Who got the Billet labs prototype?

Hopefully not ASUS 😂

[rain quarry]

Too soon 😓

[civic plume]

Anyone else think the WAN show will eventually become a liability for LMG and get shut down? Almost everything Linus says there gets taken out of context and misrepresented every time theres new “drama”.

I love the WAN show and would hate to see it end that way

[tiny nimbus]

jfc the forum thread went from 34 pages to 78 pages while I slept, opinionated bunch

[crude sandal]

no, because all this "drama" is just people misunderstanding things and then blowing it all out of proportion, then any sane person forgets a week later

[civic plume]

Yeah thats pretty much what happens every single time.

[drifting creek]

Was looking up the #ripLTT videos in 2020 and apparently this is a meme?

[drifting creek]

Never. It’s a significant profit mover for merch, and a source for many who share a parasocial relationship with Linus

[quartz wave]

Interesting point which I have not seen mentioned much is that LTT will have 'more errors' but they also put out alot more volume so I reckon the ration of errors would be fairly similar to all the other productions out there.

[drifting creek]

It’s almost like something with a bigger quantity of content has a overall larger quantity of flaws hmm

[agile verge]

I'm not sure that's true.
There have, in my experience, been an increased number of videos with asterisks on seemingly important info over the past 6 months.

In my opinion the ratio of errors in LMG videos over prior LMG videos has increased. (Not comparing to other outlets.)

(Now, if I were to hazard a guess, and it's completely speculation, this appears to correlate with Emily's absence. And the reason I would guess this is because of all the LTT writer/presenters she appears to have the most solid technical foundation and often comes across as the most thoroughly researched in a number of videos.
There is a certain amount of hand waving that usually comes across from the rest of the writer/presenter team.
So, if Emily was providing a lot of the fact checking then her stepping away for a while [completely understandably] could result in the increased number of mistakes. Emily appeared to be a care player in their technical testing and accuracy prior to the roll out of the Labs.
That, and the Labs are not spun up yet, as Linus fully admits, meaning the data coming out of it is admittedly not up to the standard LMG hopes for it to be in the future. Linus said as much in his forum post.)

[drifting creek]

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/discordio-confirms-breach-after-hacker-steals-data-of-760k-users/

[crude sandal]

ffs warship

[crude sandal]

(BIG NOTE: that website I can not type because of warship is in no way affiliated with discord)

[spice oak]

we all know what the topic is going to be on this week's wanshow now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGW3TPytTjc

[crude sandal]

if you'd bother doing an ounce of research, nope.
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1526180-gamers-nexus-alleges-lmg-has-insufficient-ethics-and-integrity/page/16/#comment-16078641

oops the forum died

[graceful swan]

Not sure it's an abscence from the office or just onscreen. Perhaps with everything going on it's hard to do good work and mistakes have been made

[restive rain]

Poor forum

[neat kiln]

Did Emily actually step away? I thought she just left the camera for some time on LTT but was functioning in the background.

[agile verge]

My understanding was that it was an absence from both office and screen for a while, and then a return to office sooner than screen (possibly never to screen, but hopefully not, Emily is a great presenter IMO).

[radiant patio]

I know the internet is going crazy but about this whole thing but I didn't expect the forum to die like that, unbelievable.

[agile verge]

And again, the intent appears to be to offload a lot of the technical detail / technically objective work to the Labs.
But these are not fully up and running yet, and still have teething issues.

[graceful swan]

I don't understand what would prevent anyone from being able to review scripts/etc from home/office.

[neat kiln]

Well, the idea that they mightve used vacation time or whatever they could, or just didn't focus on work so they could focus on themselves.

[graceful swan]

Or some medications are having side effects.

[tiny nimbus]

Emily featured on an LTX office tour video, said she was working on a video about the Apple Newton

Haven’t seen this since the hackening

[crude sandal]

she did have a bit of A holiday if I remember correctly from her video, but that was a while ago now, and that video was during it

she's been around the office since

[fathom quarry]

I have a feeling the forums will be on fire for a while... time to get off the internet for a while. ;-;

[crude sandal]

nope it's back up

with the turnstile check page active

[fathom quarry]

Damn... these people are thirsty for blood.

[spice oak]

na, just want more quality control for the content that ltt uploads

[fathom quarry]

More quality control, by hoping for the bankruptcy and or discreditment of ltt? .-.

[drifting creek]

There was a comment about Linus going to Jail for Theft

[fathom quarry]

[tiny nimbus]

This wasn’t addressed at the time (someone asked who the commenter was) but EposVox had a creator pass to LTX 2023

[pastel garden]

The lttTV live chat is wild rn

Has been since the GN video came out

[graceful swan]

Seems like a fairly consistent number of viewers on the live... around 300. I

[crude sandal]

and before this GN video existed, this has been talked about by linus. they're working on it

[neat kiln]

Yeah. The video if it came out two weeks ago might've felt more impactful. But it feels a bit vindictive when he has addressed these in the past few weeks. And especially how they don't reach out to LTT for a side on the story while they're completely capable.
Almost on purpose, because Linus called other creators out for not contacting them for their side a year ago.

[crude sandal]

and the bit about GN treating them as a business instead of friends is dumb
if ASUS is having support issues and you have a contact at ASUS, you contact that contact before making a public video about it

exactly as LMG did with the x3d bios voltage thing

so if LMG has issues, you contact or contact at LMG for some context before making a video

[thick coral]

this popped up on my feed and I instantly knew that too (feed as in recommended videos)

[crude sandal]

in this case, his contact at LMG is at least linus, but also others too apparently

[neat kiln]

To not bother contacting them, because they know they could get a hold of them, is bad journalism

[worn cypress]

Wonder if he was snubbed at ltx trying to have a discussion about it...

steve seems more like a sit down and chat guy over a lemme shoot ya an email - on the hot topics.

[neat kiln]

Starting to feel worse than the mistakes from LTT, because this was intentional

[gray cove]

https://tenor.com/view/reroll-artesianbuilds-gif-25031225

[neat kiln]

Was he at LTX?

Never saw GN on the creators page. And its in alphabetical order

[worn cypress]

Oh am I wrong? I thought he was

[neat kiln]

I could be missing it? https://www.ltxexpo.com/creators

[restive rain]

Apparently ltt lost a couple floatplane subs

[hard lintel]

Expected

[agile verge]

This part is what bothers me the most.
Steve is calling Linus out on the gap between tech entertainment vs tech journalism in a video where he failed to reach out for comment.

Pretty well every halfway decent journalistic article I read reaches out for comment, whether or not that is responded to is another matter.

[crude sandal]

even more bothering know that he can directly contact linus

[graceful swan]

reaching out for comment is a guideline not a hard rule. Could be a valid reason for it.

Still would have done so if it were me however.

[crude sandal]

and there's a very valid reason for absolutely reaching out. Steve did not have anywhere near the full story

[agile verge]

Frankly, objectively, I don't care who he can contact, the fact that he does not say he even tried is a little damning and undermines his point.

[neat kiln]

I'm inclined to believe that GN was invited to LTX. Louis Rossmann was upset with the warranty situation and called them out for it. He still went. I just feel like GN declined to go, declines to discuss anything with LTT. Linus isn't the person that would cut them off given everyone else, so it feels like bad blood, but entirely on one side.

[crude sandal]

it would be hard to believe they didn't send an invite.
they invited everyone that was anyone

[agile verge]

I mean... It's also on brand for Steve.
To the best of my understanding, his best performing videos are when he does research and calls out problems.

[neat kiln]

This video is in the millions.

[glossy latch]

i don't know if you all remember, but he reached out to newegg for comment, he reached out to thermaltake for comment, he reached out to ASUS for comment.

so why didn't he reach out to LMG?

[agile verge]

I do remember.
d :

[neat kiln]

Really. The more I think about it. The more this feels like it was done in bad faith, not "genuine concern"

And specifically because Linus called creators out for not asking him personally the last time

Because that's what Steve brings up at the beginning

[civic plume]

Probably a bit of both imo. Only person who knows the truth is Steve himself

[graceful swan]

hopefully Linus asks Steve why on WAN show. Then no one has to speculate endlessly.

[agile verge]

And that's kind of the problem here...
Because he genuinely did raise some valid QC points and pointed out that it is not in alignment with the Labs attempt.
And that's good and fair criticism.

[neat kiln]

Steve isnt treating them like a real company. He's treating them like a competitor

[glossy latch]

as someone who looks up to both channels, I want both of them to practice what they preach. Yes, LMG has had quite a few growing pains, but GN needs to create a point of contact. this just seems like a playground imagination fight.

[agile verge]

But then he undermines it with journalistic integrity stuff, while blatantly not doing so himself, and by bringing in the Framework stuff, when that's really not an issue.

Thus undermining the legitimate criticisms he had.

[glossy latch]

linus, whenever he has a hand in any of the laptop related videos, always has a disclosure about his investment in framework.

[hard lintel]

It's a meme how often he discloses it

[neat kiln]

And GN paints it as the whole company having an investment. Well now Linus isn't CEO, so the new CEO has no framework stake.

[civic plume]

Exactly.

[agile verge]

And he still does a good job praising other repairable and serviceable laptops.

[marble mica]

Simply telling you he's invested doesn't change the fact that he could review them more favorably or give them a larger platform than they would've had without them

[graceful swan]

no, disclouse just enables the viewer to make an informed judgement call themselves on weahter bias plays into it

[agile verge]

They basically benchmark against the Apple whatever and Dell XPS in a ton of videos.

[round sage]

The disclosure is there so you would understand exactly that and take his review with a grain of salt if you so please.

[neat kiln]

His whole of investing in framework was to give them credibility and help a new player to the table bring repairable modular machines.

He wants to see them succeed, but not because he's invested.

[marble mica]

Lmfao

[neat kiln]

He invested because he wants them to succeed

[glossy latch]

"bu-but- but linus still has controlling interest in LMG, he could still change the wording for reviews." I have actively seen this thrown around on twitter and in different youtube comment sections.

[marble mica]

Yeah he invested out of the good of his heart

[round sage]

If linus hadn't invested in framework but would continue to claim it's a step in the right direction, people would say "then put your money where your mouth is", there's always going to be an angle for complaints it seems

[neat kiln]

As he's stated multiple times, he wants to hold framework accountable. He didn't invest a large amount of money.

Large to any typical individual maybe, but not large for linus

[marble mica]

lmfao

[glossy latch]

not even their largest investor iirc.

[neat kiln]

He actively discussed it before investing. Mentioning how he wouldn't want to soil the content by investing. But also wants to see repairable devices exist

[neat kiln]

lmfao

[marble mica]

Linus notice me 👉🏼👈🏼

[glossy latch]

i'm honestly more upset at the people just outright attacking members of the LMG team on social media.

[round sage]

you're being noticed alright

inb4 "lmfao"

[glossy latch]

you guys have seen that they're hiring for almost every position that they'd need to lessen the load on other people

https://linusmediagroup.com/jobs

[neat kiln]

He gave Linus extra money alright he sure wants to be noticed.

[marble mica]

Wheter you like it or not, Linus investing into Framework will always bring ethical questions to the table regarding him giving them a platform or reviewing them more favorably. Wheter your subjective take on it matches this, does, not, matter.

[round sage]

Your subjective take on it not matching, indeed matters not

[marble mica]

For one, i don't think he is absusing his platform to grow his investment, but you can't just ignore it

[glossy latch]

if he was abusing his platform, we'd see the framework laptop in every shot.

why doesn't he use it for the WAN show?

[neat kiln]

He barely talks about framework, except to mention he's invested.

[glossy latch]

main comparison in every laptop video

[round sage]

Unlike the water bottle, you almost never see or hear about framework, unless the video is exactly about that

Framework is on top of that production-contstraint and doesn't even properly exist on the european market, even if they wanted to boost sales, they can't

so much for it being such an issue

[glossy latch]

Expanding to Italy, Spain, and Belgium, and 13th Gen Intel Core now in stock

they're working on it.

[round sage]

They are, and I can't wait

[crude sandal]

it's pretty clear that he's not, because he never expected any return at all

[marble mica]

He can't, there is laws in place preventing injust use of stakeholder positions like that

He would have to disclose his investment in every, single shot

[marble mica]

You sure about that?

[round sage]

You unsure about that?

[neat kiln]

You're in the wanshow chat. Where people have been here to hear Linus discuss all this before. And it feels like you've never seen a wan show

[crude sandal]

yeah, he was very clear about it

[marble mica]

lmao

[neat kiln]

Linus is one of the most transparent creators there is in regards to his business.

To his own detriment

[marble mica]

Taking his word like its the bible

If you guys aren't even ready to consider anything else like priest Linus has told you, I won't debate you

[crude sandal]

he's given zero reason for us to doubt it

absolutely zero

[marble mica]

I respect your opinion!

[glossy latch]

bro sounds like annoying orange

[neat kiln]

I discussed this yesterday. I was very much on GNs side. Until it came out that Linus has already resolved the issue with Billit. And gn never bothered to attempt to get their side.

[stone bear]

not that high a bar

[crude sandal]

as for being favourable about framework... how could he not. the entire reason he even considered investing is because he likes the general idea, and that the framework is a good product

[stone bear]

monetary compensation is one thing and it's good but the fact that he was being a douche about fixing the review with the right gpu is still bad

[crude sandal]

when was the last time he reviewed something, then literally ordered one for himself on camera?

[neat kiln]

It was bad. And he offered to pay whatever they asked. I said yesterday I was initially understanding of Linus's take. But the GN video putting into perspective of it being just a 2 person company and LTT could break that. Yeah it was bad. But then painting LTT as maliciously selling the prototype, and not getting their side or the story's resolution

[glossy latch]

i can understand linus' mindset being hyperfocused on "would someone consume the product" and not on "would someone consume the video"

that doesn't excuse any kind of errors in the video

[crude sandal]

context, from forum post: "Billet sent us a quote. I don't know or care how they arrived at the value. If they're good, I'm good."

[neat kiln]

Yeah I've got the full context now after reading the post.

[marble mica]

Post-investment coverage should maintain the same critical eye as before. Even if he would change it for monetary, most of the LTT viewers wouldn't notice it if they were it in the face by it. Financial ties to a product can inadvertently lead Linus's judgment on Framework. A significant financial stake can introduce confirmation bias – where Linus could seek out the more positive parts of their products.

[crude sandal]

for obvious reasons we aren't being told the amount, but it's whatever billet decided was good

[marble mica]

A content creator's reputation rests heavily on their credibility. Even if a Framework's laptops are genuinely good, failing to critically review it because of financial ties to them can erode audience trust over time. Its not like LTT has chosen to ignore facts before...

[neat kiln]

Did they fail to critically review it?

Did they even review it?

[marble mica]

I am not saying they are failing to do so, you simply choose the one part you understood to pick my argument apart. You cannot 'trust me bro' the situation

[neat kiln]

I rarely catch actual videos Anymore. So I'm genuinely asking

[crude sandal]

the original review, which was before investing. the only video labelled as a review

[marble mica]

I watch WAN show and tours and thats it

[round sage]

GN's video is a mixture of different topics that I don't think fit together in one and could instead be discussed separately

• **Billit ** -> Strange no comment or context was asked, unlike previous GN coverage, do agree the LTT take on the product was scuffed
• QC/QA concerns -> Valid concerns across the board, hope LMG will take strong measures, I do want this to improve
• **LTT labs ** -> Unfinished, hasn't started mass-testing, too early to fully judge, therefore more ammo to add to the pile, if GN wants to fight out competitively whose lab will be better, it's odd it's mixed in with this rather than when both channels in the future will have their lab gear up and running
• Framework / Noctua -> Literally not relevant here, was used to add to the pile, it's the first time I even hear GN dislike another creator liking Noctua, how long has the NH-D15 been on the market for?

[marble mica]

GN's video?

[round sage]

Is that a question?

[marble mica]

Not a clue what your reffering to

[neat kiln]

So you have no clue what this discussion is about

[round sage]

Did you just wake up or something?

[marble mica]

I am talking about the unethical implications on their investment

[neat kiln]

Makes sense given your statements.

[marble mica]

Very clearly talking about that, did I miss something?

[round sage]

You're clueless if you're debating topics brought up by GN, not knowing they were brought up by GN

[crude sandal]

to add to the QC/QA part there -> publicly talked about by linus a couple shows ago.

the way GN presents it makes it seem like some issue they're not working on at all

[marble mica]

Clueless? Simply because I agree with a view I hadn't directly heard from the source?

Lol

[round sage]

Yes, both in WAN shows and in LTT Labs sneak-peaks, Linus did stress that they're still very much figuring things out

[round sage]

Yes.

[neat kiln]

It's been brought up multiple times and you're just now asking.

[marble mica]

So my ability to form an opinion without getting it from the source is being clueless, I haven't seen you countering with one objective argument.

[crude sandal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGW3TPytTjc

and linus' response https://linustechtips.com/topic/1526180-gamers-nexus-alleges-lmg-has-insufficient-ethics-and-integrity/page/16/#comment-16078641

[marble mica]

Damn not watching or reading that

But good for them

Or sorry that happend

[neat kiln]

This man only reads the comments^

[crude sandal]

...

[marble mica]

I'm not reading anything

You wanna waste 44 minutes of your time on random drama of your best friend youtubers?

Go do you

[round sage]

The entire discussion is directly related to the concerns GN raised, the way in which he raised them, and Linus's initial response to it, you joining this discussion without having seen any of this is just odd.

[marble mica]

Imma start the grill soon

[nova gate]

I kinda don't like all the discussion about that video happening in here (i.e. the wan show channel) about a segment that hasn't happened on wan show and has further been stated to not be a big segment on wan show. It's certainly a discussion to be had, I'm just not convinced this is the place for it.

[marble mica]

I agree, its odd, but doesn't mean my arguments are not valid.

Anyhow, time to start the grill

Have a nice evening (or afteroon) depending on where you are

See ya

[neat kiln]

It's very nice to discuss in a not overrun channel but still in a chat setting vs something like reddit.

And given the people in this channel are most often actually up to date aside from that guy

[round sage]

The public-chat is moving too fast right now while they're discussing the same topics, and reddit is an awful place in general

[crude sandal]

well we were discussing it in the floatplane channel, but normies regulars can't join in, and #public-chat is a shitshow of trolls

[neat kiln]

Tends to be the most reasonable discussion spot and most level headed. And for things relating more to Linus and LTT

[marble mica]

Sorry for not being up-to-date on everything ltt, I’ll make a burger for ya!

[neat kiln]

I imagine something will be said in wan

[crude sandal]

something will definitely be said, it just won't be long, as it doesn't need to be

unless linus gets too into it

I can imagine the merch messages already

[neat kiln]

If not addressing the video directly. He'll address how they're going to introduce more accuracy and announce the review project involving community they've discussed on wan 2 weeks ago

[crude sandal]

2 weeks seems a bit soon for that

but maybe something

[neat kiln]

Progress potentially

Getting ideas from the community

[fossil monolith]

This is all they need to do. Just say they acknowledge the shortcomings and lay out some steps they're taking in the short term to mitigate them while working on a more permanent solution.

[neat kiln]

I mean they've done that the past 2 weeks too. But none of it was mentioned in GNs video

[crude sandal]

they have, long before GN made any sort of video

[neat kiln]

Which brings about the general audience who hasn't kept up with their comments to attacking them, because the general audience doesn't know what they've said to address it

[fossil monolith]

^

Most people aren't going to the forums or watching WAN show

[neat kiln]

That along with not getting any comment from Linus, it's becoming clearer what the video was meant to do

[restive rain]

I sorta started the whole conversation here since it’s much calmer and easier to have a discussion with people when there is no slow mode and chats not moving 10,000 messages a second

[restive rain]

Seems like so, kinda disappointing that this is what it’s boiling down too

[neat kiln]

I mean it sorta started as soon as the video dropped figuring it could be a topic lol

[misty latch]

im listening to the most recent wan show rn and i wanted to comment on the concept of the echo chamber of the internet and i think Linus is some what correct in the idea that being a big internet person breeds narcissism. i believe that just the internet breeds narcissism period not just being a popular person.

[hard lintel]

Could it be the anonymity? Lots of folks run their mouth on the web but turn out more reasonable and average in person

[restive rain]

could be a major factor

[reef tapir]

The big issue is some people just want to fuel the fire further, they'll play into it further and further, some even go as far as donating to get those messages through. Just to watch someone self-destruct either over a period of a few years/months or even faster.

[restive rain]

GN responded as part of the HW News

[elfin cloud]

https://youtu.be/X3byz3txpso

[restive rain]

lets see what he has to say

yep ^^

[elfin cloud]

🙂

man... not looking good.

[restive rain]

jesus just makes things worse

[hard lintel]

What now

[restive rain]

wonder if now there will be a wan show or if they will just ignore/touch on it

[restive rain]

just everything, main point probably being that they claim LTT did not reach a resolution with billet untill AFTER the video was published, and alegedly LTT sent Billet a email about the payment right before linus posted his comment, and apparently they did not confirm a ammount yet

[hard lintel]

According to..?

[elfin cloud]

billet

[restive rain]

GN reaching to billet in a follow up posted above

so billet is clamming that

[elfin cloud]

i don't care about the whole issue, but man is it sad to see the ltt side of it.

[glossy latch]

ooh this video is sponsored

[elfin cloud]

I can't tell but so what if it is though, wan show is too where they discuss this sort of stuff.

[restive rain]

im mainly interested to see if linus comes back with another response

[fathom quarry]

I honestly just want my daily LTT videos man… sorry for billet but just let me get my entertainment. ;-;

[restive rain]

this is a good sign

😒

[elfin cloud]

works here. did see cloudflare screen before entering which I haven't before

[neat kiln]

That doesn't sound good. But the connection issues are likely everyone trying to see the forum at once.

[restive rain]

idk some people in chat are right, it seems like GN sort blew this up way more then just a wan show segmeent, i bet you most have not seen the forum post and most would not see a WAN response if they where to make one

[marble mica]

Could be that cloudflare has presented a challenge. Could be a dDos but unlikely

[neat kiln]

That billet looks worse for Linus. Wonder what's happening internally there

[marble mica]

Cloudflare only presents challenges when your browser is weird or if your under attack

[elfin cloud]

yeah it was just a wait while we check if you are human page and then next screen. probably due to traffic

[restive rain]

i get the cloudflair page wich seems to go through fine then i get the error above

[neat kiln]

If they do respond on wan, and for some reason Linus thought they were already compensating billet, you can bet the internal DMs will be shared.
But this isn't pretty

What are you doing linus

[restive rain]

seems like this so called communication issue is a lot worse then initially though

he seems to have no clue whats actully going on regarding some of the things he is saying

[neat kiln]

That's if he thought they were compensating them, but only them sent the email after the video.

[restive rain]

idk it is almost to the point where it needs its own video that has a well thought out, and reviewed by multiple people to put this to rest, don't see it going anywhere without that

[neat kiln]

This is bigger than the warranty it seems

[slim vigil]

Absolutely it is. This completely tanks Linus' crediblity

[restive rain]

mhm

tbh, seems foolish to not make a proper response to this situation

[neat kiln]

Rarely do they make videos directly addressing the audience on the main channel. The last mightve been the hack? Other than that?

[slim vigil]

If a proper response isn't made then LTT will be permanently stained by this. I hate this because I have loved LTT for many years at this point. I built my first PC because of Linus and I love building PCs to this day

But just avoiding this will permanently ruin this company's reputation

[neat kiln]

There will be discussion on wan about this

[restive rain]

true, however this seems to be a greater issue that the wider audiance will probably get some exposure to, the GN video already has 2.2m views on it ltt averages less then that on their main channel videos

GN averages way below that on thier videos as well

[fathom quarry]

2.2M? Damn, GN hasn’t pumped out anything like that since the RTX 3080 video 7 months back.

[restive rain]

lol yea, probably hit harder then they where expecting

[crude sandal]

so in other word, linus didn't know about the billet situation until the video, and once he found out, he got right onto contacting them to resolve it.
seems reasonable.

gotta remember that linus isn't even involved in that stuff these days

[restive rain]

but he framed it in a way that they have already delt with the issue, which people are drawling issue to

[slim vigil]

He definitely framed it in a way that it had already been resolved which clearly it hasn't since Billet literally confirmed it hasn't been settled

[crude sandal]

wording seems fine, by the time he'd posted his response, he'd reached out to them

[restive rain]

maybe everything is just being blown up and miss quoated and linus will have a reasonable explination, but it dosent seem like it

[restive rain]

billet also claimed they havent reached a final agreement/ammount contradictory to what linus claims

[slim vigil]

He also said they sent him a quote which they didn't and that they hadn't recieved an offer for any compensation until after Steve's video. Linus' response makes it seem like it was resolved months ago

[neat kiln]

Linus might be thinking back that initial "how much was it worth"

[restive rain]

idk, but it is not looking good no mater how you frame it for LTT

[neat kiln]

Yeah.
I wonder if, since he stepped down as CEO, a lot of that communication got lost in the transition.
And because they don't report to him he doesn't get those communications since he's not really supposed to

As I can imagine, nobody is reporting to him anymore on what they auction, how they remedy their mistakes.

[manic chasm]

Linus change so much.

[neat kiln]

He's not necessarily supposed to be the one handling it anymore

Right now is probably the largest disconnect he's had from LMG

[restive rain]

There will probably new reporting processes spun from this

And probably a internal shakeup

This blew up a lot more then I’m sure most where expecting

[fathom quarry]

Changes roles from CEO to CVO?

[crude sandal]

many communication fuck-ups, but either way, linus wasn't involved in anything other than hosting the video and the decision not to continue on extra testing for the video. what matters is that he is sorting it now that he knows about it.
I'd expect there definitely be some meetings about this and procedure adjustments, but that's internal stuff, I wouldn't expect to hear about the specifics there

[fathom quarry]

That may be the case, but people are out for blood. ;-;

[neat kiln]

People don't report to him anymore. So he doesn't necessarily know the happenings in the company. Especially like auctioning off equipment or compensating for something they weren't supposed to auction

[fathom quarry]

I don’t think people necessarily care (which is a shame)… I mean take a peak into #off-topic.

Damn scary

[plucky bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/thriller-michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-5577709

[pastel garden]

Why is GN continuing this stupid drama what is the point

He made his point and got a response

What more is there to want

[ember light]

Because Linus's response was terrible.

[pastel garden]

It was not great but it was fine

At least he responded some people would’ve just dodged the whole thing

[ember light]

I'm holding off on unsubbing from FP until next WAN show. Curious to see how this plays out.

It was a dodge.

[quasi relic]

Not really though? There was no discussion about what they are going to do with regards to the testing and bad reporting of data. The Billit Labs is just ONE issue brough up by GN. Linus didn't really address anything else other than "we know we make mistakes"

[vagrant pecan]

The second video was kinda unnecessary and fully opinionated u like the first

[neat kiln]

His response wasn't good, but it's what he's been saying. They're trying to do better

[restive rain]

I’ll be interested to se show the next few days play out

[fathom quarry]

I mean, whatever floats Steve from GNs boat…

[vagrant pecan]

Linus dropped thr post like an hr after the gn video. U expect a full on business plan and process retrospection in that short of time? Are u being serious? He said they will look into it and acknowledge it. What more do u want? An employee handbook?

[neat kiln]

Y'all in this channel will be my sole news source unless it makes a video

[pastel garden]

People make mistakes and they were sloppy with some testing but it’s still just a mistake and Linus is one guy in a fairly big company

Don’t go for blood and try to take the whole thing down bc of this

[vagrant pecan]

Thats the internet for u

Move from one echo chamber to another

[pastel garden]

It’s just finding someone new to cancel every day fr

[restive rain]

Like Linus says, don’t attribute to malice what could be attributed to incompetence

[vagrant pecan]

And when there's controversy rarely can the person do anything to redeem themselves

The ppl just want to punish

Its why society has laws and not mob justice

[fathom quarry]

Well… he could nuke his whole company and give all his money away as compensation… even then the internet would want him dead. In that sense you’re right, redemption is sorta nigh impossible

[quasi relic]

Oh I'm not trying to go for blood lol. It seems like that's what people are looking for. It was a short about of time I'm not saying I wanna be hired by them lol. I haven't unsubed from Floatplane because I feel like they were called out and I hope they get better and I look forward to them getting better.

[vagrant pecan]

I agree with Steve's criticisms but not this whole approach. He isn't dumb. He knowingly weaponised his platform like he does for other corporations and hid behind "its not drama bro"

Knowing how the internet runs wild with these things

[fathom quarry]

The question is… why would Steve knowingly weaponise his platform against LTT?

[vagrant pecan]

There were far more less chaotic ways to approach this

[neat kiln]

I'm actually curious on what Luke will say

[vagrant pecan]

The public answer would be some virtue signalling shit

The elephant in the room is his subscriber numbers about to hit 2m from this controversy

[restive rain]

There was definitely gains for Steve in doing it this way

[vagrant pecan]

His subs went up almost 200k

[restive rain]

Don’t forget about the sponsored comments or whatever they are called

[vagrant pecan]

Half the content he included in his video was also baseless and acting like the journalism police for potential crime that hasn't happenned het

[crude sandal]

as mentioned previously here, the accuracy issues aren't a new topic. Linus has talked about it as recently as a couple wan shows ago. they're improving things, they're just figuring out ways. things take time

[vagrant pecan]

The supporters will just say he deserves it for doing such a noble thing and feel vindicated

Completely glossing over how messy thing whole thing was poorly handled

[fathom quarry]

Where’s internet historian when you need him…

[vagrant pecan]

Thats the problem with virtue signallers. They hide behind the "right" so u cant even give constructive criticism

[vagrant pecan]

Steve only did this cause of the lmg tour comment bashing them for not testing twice. It's clear it hit a nerve

Whether it was intentional or tongue in cheek deadpan we won't know

[ember light]

Eventually enough incompetence will have the same effect as malice.

[vagrant pecan]

But Steve isn't the nice guy everyone thinks he is

[crude sandal]

that was clear with the video on TMB last year blowing that (realistically) non-issue out of the water

[vagrant pecan]

I also love the 15 follow-up videos he needs to make on every controversy to milk the loving shit out of it

[fathom quarry]

Maybe a celebratory 2million subs video

To really rub the salt in

[vagrant pecan]

Doesnt monetise his video. But flashes his merch in full view the whole.45 mins

[crude sandal]

if steve properly cared about the billet thing, maybe he could have at the very least asked if linus knew anything. because it would very much seem that linus knew nothing, and now that he knows, has began sorting it

considering he has linus' phone number

[vagrant pecan]

His second video muddled thing further

Criticises linus over semantics. But argues semantics himself

Who cares if linus reached out Before the gn video or not. The fact is that he's still compensating. So what does it matter

[vagrant pecan]

Exactly. Linus has a team communicating with billet. The founder isn't doing it himself

Its why he switches between "lmg responded" and "linus posted" interchangeability as if its all one singular person acting this all out

Shitty journalism

[ember light]

I mean, as with every other video he does?

[crude sandal]

anyone with half a brain cell taking a basic look at LMG could've figured that linus was not the one handling the original communication with billet

[ember light]

It matters that LInus didn't find the situation important enough to address until it became something negative for him.

[crude sandal]

he mentions constantly on wan show about how so much happens without him knowing

[vagrant pecan]

Hes totally not telling you to buy his merch bro. That can be found on gamers nexus .com
Under no circumstances should you feel like I did a great job and try to support me in any other way by instinctively subscribing and buying my merch

[vagrant pecan]

Thats how escalation process usually work..

[hard lintel]

Given discussion in and outside this server it looks to me like an internal "you did WHAT?" situation

[ember light]

go on....

[crude sandal]

the shirt? fine... even linus would be wearing an ltt shirt. but the rest of the stuff on the table, like c'mon bro

[vagrant pecan]

To gamers nexus this was the biggest drama with lmg

For linus it was video 32 on a random tuesday

[vagrant pecan]

U know I'm.being facetious right

[crude sandal]

yes I know, my comment was supporting yours

[fathom quarry]

I just want to know if Steve will keep milking this, or go back to his normal 200k per video content.

[vagrant pecan]

Its being purposely portrayed as linus himself did something that lmg as a corporate entity fumbled

[neat kiln]

Either that or he didn't know

[vagrant pecan]

210k. He's got new subs to use his videos to fall asleep to now

[fathom quarry]

Understandable

[ember light]

It's true, his videos are dry and packed with information. Thing is, if your job is to convey accurate data on computer hardware that's how it has to be. So here we are: Linus is entertaining but error prone, Steve is dry and accurate. What you prefer is up to you.

Obviously, the entertaining path is more popular with the general tech bros.

[boreal fiber]

the big takeaway on this is to not simply rely on one source for your information because it could be flawed or wrong.

[restive rain]

this here^

[restive rain]

he probably had no clue about the emails or that it was being auctioned, or that it was being sent back, all he probably knew was that people where supposidly taking care ofit

[boreal fiber]

i think that the ceo change caused the communication breakdown, but it's still no excuse to have accidentally sold it

[crude sandal]

Regarding LTT, we are simply going to state the relevant facts:

On 10th August, we were told by LTT via email that the block had been sold at auction. There was no apology.

We replied on 10th August within 30 minutes, telling LTT that this wasn't okay, and that this was a £XXXX prototype, and we asked if they planned to reimburse us at all.

We received no reply and no offer of payment until 2 hours after the Gamers Nexus video went live on 14th August, at which point Linus himself emailed us directly.

The exact monetary value of the prototype was offered as reimbursement. We have not received, nor have we asked for any other form of compensation.

from billet labs on reddit, more to the post but this is the important part
so they did send a quote
and whoever managing this email didn't respond, maybe things were busy, maybe they were talking to the nessesary people to sort out the money, we don't know
but as soon as linus found out, he got involved

[crude sandal]

this, forever. always find at least a 2nd source, especially when making a large purchasing decision

[restive rain]

how i see this, is the person orginally doing the communication didnt knowhat to do about the reimbersment, and was probably trying to go theough the propper channels to learn that info before saying something to them

[crude sandal]

also worth mentioning that the 10th was a thursday, so there was only friday, and then the weekend, then a bit of monday

[boreal fiber]

i, unlike some there, think the blank check isn't hush money, but the least lmg could do as damage control.

i still think they should track the block down and buy it back if possible, but this is a start

[crude sandal]

so there's not a big time window here

[restive rain]

oh good point, they literally had one day to get in contact with linus/someone who could make that descission

crazy how it looks a lot worse depending on how you frame it

lol

[leaden rampart]

also how many people would have to be talked to internally to get all of the information about what had happened

[gaunt sapphire]

if you've screwed up badly enough to sell an item you expressly said you were going to return, a holding email isn't too much to ask for if you need to check about refunding the costs

[restive rain]

more then 1

[crude sandal]

(making huge assumptions here)
I'd guess it was handled by procurement/logistics, so someone probably had to maybe talk to their manager, and then maybe that manager had to go talk to the bizneyland people about the money.

[hard lintel]

Whoever was responsible for this massive mistake (if it wasn't Linus himself) would have to step up on their own. LS can't and should not throw his own employees (coworkers?) or new boss under the bus

Sorry for the edits I'm just unsure about the new structure of the company since the stepdown

[crude sandal]

as for how the monoblock even ended up at the auction, that's a whole string of fuckups

[hard lintel]

There's huge underlying issues, something like this isn't the sole result of one oopsie

[leaden rampart]

there was probably someone assigned to pick items for the auction who simply didnt know that wasn't supposed to be auctioned and assumed it was fine

[hard lintel]

Of course someone had to make the decision to roll it out on the auction floor and they should take responsibility

[crude sandal]

but kind of easy to see how it could've happened, seeing as their teams are big, and the already existing chaos was majorly amplified by organising LTX
(not defending it)

[hard lintel]

I absolutely do not want LS to point fingers but given how he talked about the hack I don't think that will happen here

[crude sandal]

pointing fingers at the employee(s) responsible would be wrong, they didn't even do that after the hack. (saying it was colton was a joke)

[hard lintel]

Exactly

[restive rain]

pointing fingers at anyone on the team just makes you look worse and not needed, and just an extream amount of hate to that person that they probably are not equiped to handle

it would be like a death sentence

[hard lintel]

Which is why I said if someone was responsible, they would have to step forward on their own

It would be scary, I understand that

[leaden rampart]

i feel like there would be too many people that would be "responsible" for what had happened for them all to step forward because this seems more of an organizational problem causing what would be a minor problem to become a major problem

[restive rain]

that ^ and tbh i probably wouldnt publicly step forward though, if its just an honest mistake i dont need all that coming at me you know?

[mystic idol]

Ultimately fuck ups happen, that's normal

The problem is when they happen repeatedly and management refuses to take accountability.

There are so many stories I remember of big fuck ups in the tech world. All the good ones don't blame the employees involved because ultimately it's a process issue, and one that clearly isn't getting enough attention at LMG. The focus should be on "how do we make this process better so it doesn't happen again", not "how do we sweep this under the rug and not look bad". All the big tech companies have postmortems and do writeups on how to fix the issues when they happen, and most importantly, good management follows up on the action items even if it means taking resources away from other things

[neat kiln]

Linus was responsible for the video. But he likely isn't responsible or has nothing to do with what happened to the hardware after the fact. Unless it's his own personal equipment, I can see him being defensive in something he might've had no idea about or involvement with where people are attacking him personally

[mystic idol]

No, at the very least, he is also responsible for not having proper inventory management in place. He doesn't need to be aware of every single business detail happening, but it also doesn't mean there is no responsibility when something does happen

[hard lintel]

Yeah that makes more sense than what I said, I take it back

The employee(s) could have known better but that's not their fault, it is a process/management issue

[neat kiln]

There are a few comments beyond the big one yesterday. Figured I'd check the forum again. If there is a new post from Linus under the forum, this will be quickest other than a direct link to finding it.

https://linustechtips.com/profile/3-linustech/content

[restive rain]

still cant access it

weird

works fine on incognito

[neat kiln]

Clear your cookies

Cloudflare might think you have an issue

[leaden rampart]

refreshing a few times after getting past the cloudflare thing let me look at it

[neat kiln]

Or maybe you've got an extension that isn't allowed in private windows?

[restive rain]

yea im not sure

ill look into it later

this is a pretty interesting reply

definitly lends the auction to a communication issue

[neat kiln]

Yeah I saw that too. Why I just linked his posts page

[crude sandal]

that video sounds interesting, lol

[hard lintel]

Sorry to make a Pikmin reference but

Dandori issue

[mystic idol]

There was a huge fuck up that Amazon had like 6 or 7 years ago where an engineer accidentally took down half the internet because he made a mistake with the command line tool he was using for patching hosts. It made regular news.

That engineer still works at Amazon as far as I know, Amazon did a comprehensive writeup on what happened, and they said "we are taking xyz steps to ensure this doesn't happen again". It wasn't just handwaved away.

As scummy as Amazon is, that's one thing they certainly do right. Mitigate the issue ASAP, sincerely apologize to the affected parties, and describe what the issue was/why it took time to resolve/steps taken/future action items to prevent it from happening again

[restive rain]

i like this view on the billet labs issue

[mystic idol]

https://aws.amazon.com/message/41926/

^^^ this is how an issue needs to be addressed. Just offering to pay off Billet Labs is not sufficient

There is nothing from Linus on what happened, why there was a communication breakdown, what concrete steps are they going to take to make it better

[restive rain]

billet labs are trully the only ones who can say what is "good enough" to resolve this issue, since it directly, and only, effected billet labs. If they are happy with a payout of $xxxx then so be it, thats what they are happy with.

[mystic idol]

No, you see, you're missing the point

There is nothing about "how do we stop this from happening again" other than some handwaving about growing pains and "we're working on it"

[hard lintel]

An investigation would take more than a few days

[neat kiln]

The keep this from happening again takes time. All they really can say is they're working on it

[mystic idol]

And there are all the other issues too that went unaddressed

[neat kiln]

They said 2 weeks ago the steps they were thinking about taking to involve the community in regards to fact checking their content.

This is stuff they constantly talk about on wan

What they're trying to do better

[crude sandal]

comparing an issue that affected a good part of the world with an issue that affects one singular entity

[neat kiln]

It's why most the people watching the wan show, in this wan show channel, already have an idea of what they're trying to do

[restive rain]

yea...

2 vastly different leagues of issues here

[mystic idol]

He needs to come out and say that. "We're sorry, we're currently investigating how this happened and we'll update you on what we'll do to make it better"

[mystic idol]

I assure you that Amazon does the exact same thing when it's an individual customer. It's just not going to be reported by media.

The impact was greater in the S3 outage, but even for small things that only affect one customer, investigations are done to find out what happened and they communicate what's being done to fix it.

I work there now, I worked at Microsoft before this, the process was the same

[neat kiln]

Like how they suspended a users account because a driver thought they said a slur, then offered nothing of substance in any form of communication?

[hard lintel]

They had better put something out to settle the dust before Friday. Otherwise wan will be a disaster for them

[restive rain]

regardless it will be a disaster

anything they did will be a disaster

there is no getting away from this

lets be real

the internet has taken it and ran, and now it needs a response

[mystic idol]

Yes, these things happen, but the point is that at least in engineering orgs, there is a SOP for how to deal with incidents

I assure you these things get taken very seriously when good management is in the picture

And Linus needs to either step up or let someone else step up if he can't do that. It is extremely uncomfortable hearing Luke try and reign in Linus but fail

[neat kiln]

Everyone is looking to Linus. The thing I'm bringing up is, Linus isn't actually the management in this situation anymore. He can say put a process in place to the new management, but he doesn't have, nor seemingly does he want direct control over it anymore.

[mystic idol]

Having a new CEO is good, but it doesn't absolve him of all responsibility and part of it is the "move fast, break things" culture I despise

I feel like there is a culture problem at LMG, and ultimately, new CEO or not, that's something Linus has heavy influence on

[wicked walrus]

Yeah bit of a shame to watch linus burn lukes bridge

[crude sandal]

what drugs are you on?

[boreal fiber]

he's not but ok

[wicked walrus]

I mean did you have an actual reply? Its clear the damage he is doing to the relationship

[crude sandal]

luke has zero to do with any of this

[crude sandal]

lol what?

[wicked walrus]

So, no

[boreal fiber]

luke arguing with linus is the relationship

he gives a second, different opinion which is a good thing

[wicked walrus]

Clearing up his mistakes, certainly but its clear you are too emotionally involved to discuss this so

[crude sandal]

I've read the response, luke was mentioned nowhere... luke had nothing to do with any of this at all, not even in the slightest

[mystic idol]

Luke is trying to do the right thing, aka managing up

[neat kiln]

What's happening?

Regards to Luke

[mystic idol]

I've told my managers we need to fix shit and because they're good managers, they listened

[neat kiln]

I've seen no note of whatever new stuff is happening

[boreal fiber]

ah yes, clown react. great way to prove your point

[wicked walrus]

'what drugs are you on' Great starting point, do you have a script writer?

[neat kiln]

What's Luke in this about now?

[boreal fiber]

no damn clue

[mystic idol]

This is just whenever controversy happens. Like the trust me bro thing, this thing with billet labs. Linus says something controversial, Luke tries to walk it back

[quasi relic]

Not even the same person who said that...

[boreal fiber]

you've brought false info

linus isn't and will not burn luke's bridge

[neat kiln]

But did luke try to walk it back? I'm still trying to figure where Luke is in all this

[wicked walrus]

And you haven't debunked it - only flew off into a wild rage

so bye babe

[neat kiln]

Luke's name just came out of nowhere

[boreal fiber]

what?

[crude sandal]

you haven't even fucking explained what the hell you're talking about. luke hasn't been involved in any of this

[boreal fiber]

he's trolling

[crude sandal]

can't debunk shit without shit to debunk

[mystic idol]

The GN videos have some clips, but I remember when linus was talking about the backpack warranty on WAN show that Luke was trying to soften what linus said

[wicked walrus]

Do you even watch the wan show? This has jack to do with the current controvery and more linus burning bridges

[round tide]

Sweet jeepers fellas I think they were trying to say that Luke's career/public appearance are negatively impacted by the way Linus chose to respond to GN. Not that Luke is part of the situation directly.

[boreal fiber]

what bridges?

[crude sandal]

you clearly do not understand linus' and luke's friendship

[hard lintel]

Nobody does except them tbh

[neat kiln]

And when we ask what the hell they're talking about they refuse to elaborate?

[mystic idol]

I'm personally trying to point out that Luke is trying to do the right thing and Linus isn’t letting him, generally

[boreal fiber]

vaguely? but he's not responsible for auctionning off the block, so...

[boreal fiber]

frienemies

[marble mica]

Wow, did I expect more from this server and this chat. People can't seem to simply respect opinions and take in facts.

Welp, on me for expecting anything from the internet

[mystic idol]

I'm never surprised when it comes to internet drama

[wicked walrus]

You mean it turning into a corpo- cannon fodder employee relationship

[neat kiln]

Ah yeah, the guy who doesn't read anything and walked into a conversation about GNs video that he didn't watch

[wicked walrus]

Luke put the effort into floatplane and now linus is burning it down

[boreal fiber]

what does floatplane have to do with any of this?

[mystic idol]

Yeah things get very different when money is involved. Just ask any lottery winner or anyone who gets a large inheritance