the-wan-show

[long root]

Most warranties here are ass

[vocal dirge]

Even a 1 year limited warranty on the backpack, and "trust me bro" beyond that, would be an ok answer

[floral hollow]

They do. The f1 subreddit is all about it. Want driver x sacked. Driver x is going to be sacked to make space for driver o and they're all angry about it

[quartz wave]

yea, Internet people going to internet.

[merry osprey]

Linus attracts a lot of haters. He mostly doesn't deserve them.

[vocal dirge]

He's always allowed to provide better support than what the warranty guarantees

[nova gate]

People often assume than no warranty necessarily means no post-purchase help, which isn't necessarily true.

[oblique prism]

Poor Daniel

[spiral crescent]

I remember my 680Ti making the spicy blue smoke, had it for almost 19 months... Thankfully under EU law it was still under warranty and I got a full refund and bought a 780Ti to replace it 😄

[long root]

680ti?

[quartz wave]

'Tall Poppy Syndrome'

[spiral crescent]

Amazon tried to argue I needed to RMA it, but SOGA specifies the seller of the product needs to handle the replacement / refund

[graceful swan]

why does everything cost so much in the EU? oh....

[spiral crescent]

This was a good time ago now haha

[long root]

I had a 680

[spiral crescent]

Yeah... But free healthcare amirite? xD

[long root]

I dont remember a 680ti

[spiral crescent]

Oh yeah sorry, it was probably just the 680 then, I know I had the 780Ti as a replacement

[long root]

Thats nuts

780 existed

[spiral crescent]

Whats more nuts is that they were the same price on release, wish we had that now xD

[gilded pilot]

no wan show me mad

[old crest]

Lol gamers Nexus just said they upgraded their warranty program for all there items

[long root]

Not in us

[sharp pewter]

I remember my good ol gtx 570
Was a beast back then

[long root]

780ti was like 650 or 700

680 was 500

[graceful swan]

clearly EU prices reflect EU consumer policy.
im canadian

[spiral crescent]

Let me check my emails, I've probably got the receipts still to check the price

[long root]

Its fine

Just odd

[spiral crescent]

£449.99 x 2 - Asus GeForce GTX 680

[long root]

How did sli treet u

I had 2 evga 680s

[spiral crescent]

For gaming I don't think it was too significant

[long root]

It gave me basically no gains as well

[celest basin]

https://tenor.com/view/well-were-waiting-sarcastic-angry-gif-15655099

[spiral crescent]

I paid £574.99 for my 780Ti, little more than I remembered

[long root]

Not bad deal

[spiral crescent]

Oh actually, that was with an EK waterblock on it too

[long root]

I went from 680 to a 1080

That was a jump

[spiral crescent]

I'm still rocking a 2080Ti atm, waiting to see what the 4XXX series looks like

[fallen herald]

i went from a 720 to a 1650, and that was interesting

[tropic patio]

i'm looking forward to jumping from my 960GT to a 3080 Ti ... along with all the other hardware updates needed

[long root]

Im rocking my 1080 still

Was going to jump to 3090

But then gpus were gone

[tropic patio]

i only build a new comp every 5 years. i'm 2 years over due, thanks covid and supply chain issues

[nova gate]

sitting on my 2080ti as well, probably will try to milk it until the 5000 or even 6000 series. A 6090 TI would be pretty nice.

[spiral crescent]

8-9 year old CPU (i7 5930k) and still going strong, but due an upgrade hopefully end of this year xD

[sharp pewter]

For the love of whatever God you believe in don't forget to upgrade your monitor

[long root]

7980xe replaced my 3930k

And yeah i run a 4k 144

At 98hz yeah

It was open box

[celest basin]

I've got 2 more years of love for my 2060, then it's a full CPU/GPU replacement.

[tropic patio]

yeah i'm on a 34 inch wide screen dell with built in kvm. 60hz refresh 🤢 but it's doable

[long root]

Gsync is awesome

[sharp pewter]

It is very awesome!

[spiral crescent]

I just hope Nvidia aren't complete asshats and try and price the 4080/Ti at double the retail price again

[long root]

Im betting 1000

[old crest]

Is the pre show live at least?

[tropic patio]

not yet

[dire zodiac]

is preshow on twitch normally

[old crest]

Or floatplane

Guess I won't won't miss anything before I get home lol

[tropic patio]

not that I recall. floatplan only i thought? could be wrong though

[nova gate]

twitch gets preshow normally

[spiral crescent]

Even £1000 would be too much IMO. Price needs to drop down to £700-800 again

[nova gate]

twich+floatplane, youtube doesnt because the alogithm is not appeased.

[lilac python]

That's gonna be a nice "horsepower" bumb when it's time 🙂
Just still going with my 960M laptop 😑

[nova gate]

no preshow vod action anywhere except FP though

[long root]

Nvidia knows they can charge sa lot

[spiral crescent]

Plus, I think it's fair to say Nvidia need to rebuild their image a little after the 3XXX series

[long root]

Why

[celest basin]

Agreed, but I haven't really found all that much that I like to do that has taxed this thing. The only game I play that I wish I had a little more horsepower for is Satisfactory.

[tropic patio]

Nvidia charged a lot cause miners were fine with paying a lot as the ROI was there.

[long root]

30 series were nuts perf wise

[sharp pewter]

I don't really think AMD has that advantage really

[tropic patio]

crypto is a dumpster fire still

[long root]

But can amd compete

[spiral crescent]

They absolutely fecked it, pretty much infuriated the majority of the gaming /pc building community

[long root]

Yeah but they still bought nvidis gpus

[sharp pewter]

Correct but the software is so slick I'd still choose them over amd at the moment

[long root]

Its the apple method

[merry osprey]

The RX 6000 cards are mostly great.

[long root]

Whats the marketshare

[spiral crescent]

Perhaps, but I hope they recognise how many of their loyal customers they fucked off, and drop the price a little as a "Hey, we screwed up, we'll do better this time."

[celest basin]

I'm hoping by the time I need to upgrade, Intel's gotten it's shiate together can compete in the upper tier with NVIDIA and AMD

[tropic patio]

nah, there really isn't as much demand without miners buying up 20 at a time

[spiral crescent]

The dream

[celest basin]

It looks like they've been making HUGE strides with the driver updates.

[sharp pewter]

Also the dream

[tropic patio]

I'm hoping hard for intel too

[merry osprey]

Intel missed it's launch window.

[long root]

Isnt intel killing off gpu

Intel is a dumpster fire right now

[rugged hearth]

probably more news about that this wan show

[tropic patio]

analysts are calling for intel to close it down for sure.

[merry osprey]

There's a massive internal debate about whether it should. AFAIK, no decision has been made yet.

[dire zodiac]

they were rumoured to be considering it, rumour now is that leadership wants to keep it

[tropic patio]

but I don't think they will

[dire zodiac]

if they were killing it they likely would have done it with optane at the quarterly report

[tropic patio]

it'll take a few years of investment and iteration to dial it in

[vocal dirge]

If nothing else, unlocking features and selling them as workstation / encoding cards for cheap makes sense

[hoary hull]

And I was getting crap from people last month about rolling with an AMD set up. [dancing to Toni Tony Tone's Feels Good]

[long root]

Lol

Amd is good choice

[tropic patio]

apparently benchmarks shos the A750 beating the 3060... that's not terrible. even with crap drivers and bugs

[long root]

Yeah benches from intel

[dire zodiac]

its not good if it releases at the same time as rtx 4000

[lean perch]

Anyone use Hydration to watch on Roku? Just checking to see if WAN goes live there. FYI, Hydration is a FP client

[merry osprey]

The internal benches for the A380 were accurate for the games they covered

[hoary hull]

Zen 3 FTW even as Zen 4 coming around the bend.

[tropic patio]

oh it def is. a LOT of people buy last gen hardware on purpose

[sharp pewter]

Nothing on twitch yet

[long root]

Last gen is stable

[celest basin]

Their release schedule seemed to be trying to take advantage of the lower-end market needs during the height of the crypto craze. Now that the market crashed, people aren't desperate for low-end GPU's anymore, so their whole strategy fell apart.

[lean perch]

Hydravion...ugh...autocorrect

[old crest]

Lol I love how I get home an hour after wan show is scheduled to start take a shower grab a snack and I can pretty much always still watch the pre show

[hoary hull]

I'm rolling with an X570

[sour sail]

with f1 silly season, warrantygate, j2c telling everyone to buy a GPU now... there's a lot of drama this month

[spiral crescent]

I've never had an AMD card as far as I know, but depending on 4XXX it might push me to the red side, at least for a generation

[tropic patio]

early adopters rarely drive massive numbers in sales.

[quartz cairn]

Tomorrow show

[merry osprey]

Low end still has room to compete.

The sub-$500 market is weak right now.

[graceful swan]

only ever had AMD GPUs for desktops since the Rage series.

[long root]

3060 is a great card

[hoary hull]

Lots of good deals for high end stuff.

[long root]

I only ever ran nvidis

[merry osprey]

3060 is over priced.

[long root]

Yeah

[merry osprey]

3070 and below are all still way over MSRP

[long root]

So are iphones

Oh i def agree get a 3070ti right now

[dire zodiac]

rx 6600 is around msrp rn tho

[merry osprey]

Below, even.

[sharp pewter]

Exactly what I did for 50 bucks over msrp

[hoary hull]

Hoping to get another Beelink GTR5 tomorrow to replace the one that had all sorts of problems. Wifi would not work for Arch Linux.

[merry osprey]

6600 is the bang for buck deal right now.

[spiral crescent]

Tbh, most of AMD cards are all bang for buck in comparison to Nvidia

[merry osprey]

Less money than a 3050 for 3060-ish performance

[long root]

Nvidia has some cool features

[fallen herald]

Plus their encoder is much better

[long root]

And they know it

[red mantle]

3060s in Aus are still sitting between $600 and $900 ;/

[sharp pewter]

You can't discount the software Nvidia puts out either though

That's a part of the package

[long root]

Yes

[merry osprey]

AMD drivers finally got good.

[dire zodiac]

what nvidia software do i care about though

[long root]

Gamestream is awesome

[spiral crescent]

For next generation, and I can't believe I'm saying this, I'll actually be looking at the TDP too

[celest basin]

I think if nothing else, Intel has successfully demonstrated just how important proper software is.

[long root]

I remember og shield

[spiral crescent]

If the 4XXX series is really pushing 600w, might have to reconsider and choose a less power hungry card

[kind fractal]

Only things I can think of are rtx voice/dlss and the latter has a decent competitor

[merry osprey]

RX 7000 is supposed to have more modest power needs.

[hoary hull]

My favorite new Tech Toy right now is a Fichp K2 Keyboard which has a built in screen and a gaming keyboard. I just really want a SBC or SoC to turn it into a Cyberdeck.

[tropic patio]

if the 4xxx series hits that much power, nvidia needs to go back to the drawing board. That's a failure of innovation in my view and makes the card trash regardless of benchmark numbers

[fallen herald]

There were 4070 and 4080 power leaks, but every time they do leak they are always off or just all over the place

[long root]

You can only get so much out of process

[mossy grove]

there are already leaks or rumors that the 4k series is getting power adjusted downward

[long root]

RIP denard scaling

[sharp pewter]

At a certain point you are going to need a power increase to get more performance

[merry osprey]

IIRC, the reason that NV boosted TDPs so high is to deal with the fact that internal info was showing that AMD was beating them at the original planned speeds

[mossy grove]

thank you

[spiral crescent]

[wanton token]

have wanshow started?

[spiral crescent]

Taking that with a pinch of salt

[wanton token]

k

[quaint island]

Luke is on floatplane chat. Soon.

[merry osprey]

He's been the source of previous leaks.

[kind fractal]

No no no guys, you got it all wrong. We need 1000w GPUs and 1000w CPUs from Intel. Tripping breakers all day.

[wanton token]

ty

[old crest]

[merry osprey]

If they've gone back to their original planned TDPs that would be nice.

[dire zodiac]

people give intel so much shit for their cpus using loads of power

[tropic patio]

I get it, but it that much of an increase is absurd. it won't be long, next 5-10 years people will need to rewire a room to run a computer. 15amp circuits would be overwhelmed. that's not ok

[spiral crescent]

laughs in european

[dire zodiac]

like unless you get 12900K its the same as AMD

[long root]

Crys in 120v

[hoary hull]

So is Wan Show off this week?

[random trout]

[hoary hull]

OK

[long root]

Is wan show ever off

[red mantle]

Man, can't we go back to the days where an entire PC ran from a 250W PSU, including the CRT monitor?

[kind fractal]

Also major doubt the 4080 is gonna be 320w since that would be a absolutely stupid level of efficiency gain which is very unlikely.

[sharp pewter]

I can see what your getting at

[sharp pewter]

Back when gameplay was king and graphics second?

[spiral crescent]

I reckon about 400-450w going full tilt, but got to look out for those pesky transient spikes

[red mantle]

Graphics? laughs in Zork

[celest basin]

Supposedly they are settting up the audio at the moment.

[kind fractal]

I'm hearing the 13900k uses like 360w or so at "unlimited power" settings which means it's so far outside the ideal speeds it should be running that it's not even funny.

[fallen herald]

I think there will be a generation from both intel, amd and nvidia around the same time where they try to optimize it alot more, we've seen simmilar performance from the A100 at like 280w comparable to the 480w chungus that is the 3090. I think the optimizations / efficency requirements from server and enterprise should be moved to consumer/gaming products

[merry osprey]

That was NV's original target before they started seeing things that scared them about RDNA 3

[tropic patio]

and if that happens, it's insanely expensive as all the wiring would need rerun to handle a 20amp circuit, or maybe we'll have idiots just popping in a 20 amp breaker and catching their homes on fire. yikes

[kind fractal]

Even that seems low for "double a 3090, like trust me bro" levels of performance.

[celest basin]

Not yet. They are setting up

[tropic patio]

They are there doing sound setup now

[spiral crescent]

Either way, as far as I know, domestic UK circuits can handle 2990W per plug without overloading

[sharp pewter]

Peak natural selection

[fallen herald]

They are halving their nanometer though, from 10 to 5 i believe? correct me if im wrong though

[tropic patio]

in US most are 15amp breakers so 1800watts peak

[dire zodiac]

how many circuits do you have in your house though

[merry osprey]

320w for a non-Ti 4080 makes sense

[kind fractal]

Personally, if it's 2x a 3090 I highly doubt it's under 500w

[dire zodiac]

mine has one for all of upstairs

[long root]

Not how that works

[merry osprey]

Samsung 8nm is a pig. TSMC 5nm is likely far more efficient

[long root]

And they were in n7

[fallen herald]

Ah my bad

[merry osprey]

No, they were in Samsung 8nm

[long root]

Then they swapped

[merry osprey]

TSMC 7 would have been more efficient.

The Samsung process just isn't as refined.

[spiral crescent]

Depends, last time I checked I've got 16 in mine

[long root]

U right

[kind fractal]

Tsmc is 7, Sammy is 8. Though based on what the figures are for some other GPUs, tsmc might be significantly better but those GPUs might have some stuff cut out

[lilac python]

Is it 240V in UK like here in Denmark?

[long root]

I remember talks of nvidia swapping to n7

[merry osprey]

I could easily see going from Samsung 8 to TSMC 5 leading to big improvements.

[arctic ember]

No Wan show tonight?

[long root]

Eh

[tropic patio]

so is that total for each circuit or total house draw? that's crazy if per circuit, like 30amp breakers or something

[long root]

Process isnt everything

And gains would top out at 30% if that high

[dire zodiac]

are you sure you mean circuit and not plug sockets? thats an awful lot

[arctic ember]

Is there a show tonight?

[tropic patio]

They are setting up

[spiral crescent]

We're on 230

[sharp pewter]

YouTube thumbnail is up

[tropic patio]

pre-show hasn't started but luke is responding in floatplane

[spiral crescent]

Mmhmm, recently remodelled had a fair bit of work done. I'm sure

[fleet moon]

Hey everybody. For merch messages, do we just put them in the Add Order Note spot?

[kind fractal]

You typically have more circuits than overall capacity, the assumption is that you're not maxing them all out at the same time.

[spiral crescent]

Typically we have 60 to 100 amps

[grizzled charm]

Merch message box will show up after they go live

[spiral crescent]

We're on 230 (with +/- 10%)

[merry osprey]

I can't even see the stream on FP. All I get is a loading circle.

[tawny notch]

tonight gonna be gud 🍿

[tropic patio]

most homes in usa are 110v and 200amp total draw, and most circuits are 15 amp maybe 20 if you are lucky, with AC and others being higher

[fleet moon]

Sweet, I'll wait until then. Thanks!!

[long root]

Or 10amp if u unlucky

[kind fractal]

Maybe new service but no, most are less than 200a

[tropic patio]

gross

[merry osprey]

Some people say they saw things on FP

[tropic patio]

my 30 year old home has 200amp

[kind fractal]

That doesn't mean much, service can be upgraded

[long root]

It was an appartment from 1905

[merry osprey]

Most houses in the US are 120, not 110

[astral lion]

ngl I thought I was late af

[tropic patio]

it's original to home wiring

[north furnace]

Don’t worry, WAN is too

[old crest]

Wait there still not live?

[merry osprey]

US grid shifted from 110 to 115 to 120 over the last 100 ywars

[tropic patio]

Maybe I'm lucky though

[night sigil]

:crabrave:

[tawny notch]

last minute script rewrites (thanks steve)

[grizzled charm]

Couple people in fp chat said live but im not seeing it yet

[gilded pilot]

i love 240v in my home

[merry osprey]

Back to you, Steve.

[tropic patio]

in US the only 240v we have goes to dryers typically

[sharp pewter]

I don't see anything yet

[unique inlet]

dryer/stove/oven/water heaters

and hvac

[merry osprey]

Also ACs, electric stoves, and car chargers.

[unique inlet]

usually

[tropic patio]

yes yes yes

[astral lion]

Was about to say that

[tropic patio]

more things today

[grizzled charm]

Will the fp room auto start if im in PiP?

[worn current]

Every house in the US has 2 legs of 120V which can be combined as 240V

[kind fractal]

Wiring in home doesn't have to be changed to upgrade service

[proven torrent]

Steve changed my mind

[tropic patio]

my hvac is high efficient 120v 25amp

[merry osprey]

The US system is great.

[proven torrent]

I was indifferent before

[gilded pilot]

i got 240v in every socket in my home

[tropic patio]

nice!

[spiral crescent]

God, imagine only having 120v...

[merry osprey]

240 where you really need it, 120 everywhere else.

[kind fractal]

Just needs a new panel and rewiring in to the new panel

[gilded pilot]

ikr

[spiral crescent]

What do you guys use to heat up your water for a cup of tea?

[grizzled charm]

Kettle on the stove

[cinder lark]

american

[spiral crescent]

Kettles pull like 1500w lol

[cinder lark]

so

[unique inlet]

we use tea for parties in the harbor

[dire zodiac]

imagine thinking you would know the difference

[unique inlet]

nothing else

[cinder lark]

tea?

[tawny notch]

electric kettle, like a gentleman

[tropic patio]

We like to roll different and look at the world as weird, like inches vs centimeters 🙂

[old crest]

I live in the US and my house has a 240 in the kitchen and garage which is nice

[spiral crescent]

Just shoot at it until it warms up? 😄

[merry osprey]

Technology Connections is over there.

[kind fractal]

Stoves and AC units as well

[night sigil]

THE SUN

[gilded pilot]

prolly their stove like old people

[tropic patio]

yeah i forgot about those, basically only where it's needed, 120v is standard for outlets though

[merry osprey]

Also, even at 120v an electric kettle is still faster than a stovetop kettle.

But mostly, we drink coffee.

[spiral crescent]

What's the shade for dude?

[sharp pewter]

My tea is always cold 🥶 🤣

[old crest]

120v is probably 750 watts max right?

[gilded pilot]

i also love how i can shove a screwdriver in my socket and it not killing me becasue it has a powerswitch

[cinder lark]

1800W

[spiral crescent]

Iced tea is not real tea...

[cinder lark]

120V @ 15A

[astral lion]

I like cold and hot :))

[night sigil]

HERETICAL WORDS!

[unique inlet]

20A is what kitchen circuit should be

[spiral crescent]

COME AT ME BRO!

[unique inlet]

in homes of last 20-25 years

[old crest]

Ahh gotcha

[merry osprey]

https://youtu.be/_yMMTVVJI4c

[lilac python]

My espresso machine can draw up to 2100 watt 😑

[tawny notch]

we do, he's just daft

[gilded pilot]

No problem for 240v

[celest basin]

Fun fact: The only country in the world that prefers iced tea over hot is the backwater hellhole called the USA.

[proven torrent]

TC? Daft? Never!

[lilac python]

Exactly I love the 240 here in Denmark 😉

[kind fractal]

Yea, when I had a couple outlets run recently I considered having them run as 240 but probably no one else would ever use them so decided not to.

But dedicated 20a breaker for my PC + network stuff so

[merry osprey]

He says as much in the video.

[cold smelt]

imo all tea counts as tea until you start adding in mountains of sugar and lemonade

[proven torrent]

I just combine my two 120V outlets into one 240V outlet, easy peasy

[celest basin]

Pre-show has started!

[fallen herald]

Live on twitch now

[gilded pilot]

they live on twitch

[tropic patio]

yeah my basement was a workshop from the former owner, so they are all 20amp breakers down there.

[dire zodiac]

i genuinely dont get shitting on the US for the whole 120V ac thing, like you actually wouldnt know the difference 99% of the time

[grizzled charm]

Live but loading?

[proven torrent]

LMAO amazing title

[tawny notch]

its not live on yt

[merry osprey]

I like the US spilt phase system.

[unique inlet]

not yet

just FP

[hoary hull]

Using the secondary screen to do discord down in the bottom of the screen while my computer does computer stuff up top!

[proven torrent]

Only Twitch/FP preshow is live

[unique inlet]

and twitch probably

[spiral crescent]

I was making a joke, not shitting on it lol

[celest basin]

120V is safer, and we don't have to hire an electrician to install plugs on a standard desk lamp like some other nations.

[tawny notch]

oh right I forgot that was a thing

[hoary hull]

Neeed to get a picture of this

[tawny notch]

I'm so used to just watching it on YT after the fact, first time I've caught it starting

[floral hollow]

What's the title?

[tawny notch]

"Turst Me Bro"

[spiral crescent]

It's not the voltage that'll get you, it's the amps

[proven torrent]

“Trust me bro”

[merry osprey]

Ouch. Sounds like there's going to be another issue too

[fleet moon]

Same.

[tawny notch]

I wish we were joking

[gilded pilot]

you can do it yourself in aus just flip the breaker off and jus done screw it up

[night sigil]

TONIGHT WE DINE IN HELL WITH A GALLON OF SWEET ICE TEA! afixes bayonet for charge

[tropic patio]

We like Ice tea cause of the tea party in the boston harbor... an act of defiance and discovery 🙂 lol

[hoary hull]

Sweet tea, Boijangle's fried chicken and SWEET BABY RAYS!

[celest basin]

V=IR. 240V pulls double the current through a similar resistance.

[lilac python]

Nether here in Denmark with 240v you can evenly change the plug in the walls but on "installs new" (where there haven't been anyone before)

[tawny notch]

I decided to try some twisted tea and it's honestly worse than just having regular tea

[merry osprey]

US spilt phase power is great. US plug standards, not so much.

[night sigil]

Yehay!

[cinder lark]

Like half the outlets in my apartment are unusable cause the plugs just fall out

[proven torrent]

Tea/Lemon Spindrift with Vodka tho

[hoary hull]

we rednecking it now for MERICA!

[spiral crescent]

Either way, I'd be flipping the circuit breaker before doing anything. Both are just as safe if handled correctly

[lilac python]

Wtf how is that possible?

[tropic patio]

just put in new outlets, or have your landlord do it, that's a safety hazard and they can be sued over that

[proven torrent]

Why on gods green flat earth does warship block Twitch URLs

[celest basin]

Agreed, but accidents happen, as does faulty wiring.

[hoary hull]

[renecky voice] "I call my gaming PC the General Lee...not that general lee. But it is orange."

[tawny notch]

because it can't differentiate between what channels you are linking to or if it could somehow be an exploit redirecting you to a malicious page

[gilded pilot]

Yeah its best just to get a sparky to do the wiring for you

[tawny notch]

standard protocol for large public discords

[proven torrent]

Other URLs are allowed though

[tawny notch]

http://youtu.be/?

huh, well that's kinda unsafe then

[proven torrent]

I’ve only seen it block Twitch URLs and .ru URLs, I’ve linked TONS of other sites

I’m guessing self-promotion

[tawny notch]

yep

[plush vapor]

is wan show started yet or is there no show tonight or something

[tawny notch]

well, actually, what about floatplane links?

[proven torrent]

Preshow on Twitch is live

[long root]

What was the latest wan start

[proven torrent]

@plush vapor

[long root]

8 i think

[dire zodiac]

preshow is on twitch and fp

[gray hill]

This looks like sad Linus right now on WAN

[hoary hull]

The WAN Show has been replaced with The Computer Dukes of Hazard. We're gonna run up Boss Hogg's Internet bill!

[proven torrent]

Excited for a spicy wan while I build my loop

[mossy grove]

go @proven torrent get that thing done and play some vidya games

[proven torrent]

It’s been offline for weeks as I’ve moved places, can’t wait to jump back in. Also all my Plex users are getting antsy

[mossy grove]

lol, I can imagine!

[old crest]

Wow 30,000 people watching on floatplane

[proven torrent]

Watercolooled plex server, maybe not the smartest idea

[hoary hull]

That's a lot of canadians

[proven torrent]

That’s the total subscriber count, not total viewers

[old crest]

Ahh still though big number

[proven torrent]

Yeah it’s exploded recently

[old crest]

People joining because of the drama lol

[floral hollow]

I've kept mine cause of all.the extra stuff they have been adding

[mossy grove]

I'm glad for them, I've been subscribed on the plane for a minute and I was flabbergasted when I found it was under 10k awhile back

[finite tulip]

30k paying subs on a niche platform with not that much marketing behind it is crazy

[dire zodiac]

they promote it in all their videos and have like 12 mil subs on youtube

[mossy grove]

talk about free media

[proven torrent]

They’ve started giving shoutouts more often, I think because they’re ready for more bandwidth. Maybe cuz cash flow?

[mossy grove]

well 30k, even at $100/yr is $3M

[fallen herald]

Could be because they are hiring like 5 more devs for floatplane

[tropic patio]

the sub counts show as a stable income on the balance sheet

helps them get financing for labs and stuff

[mossy grove]

allows more in lending

[tropic patio]

yep

[mossy grove]

probably allows them to borrow against floatplane more than anything tho

[tropic patio]

i forget the sub options, i think i'm 10/month, * 30k viewing now. that's not bad AT ALL in monthly stable revenue

[long root]

Im on 3/month

[mossy grove]

i did a yearly for like a hundred bucks

[tropic patio]

even 3 a month * 30k, that's 90k/month, over 1 million a year in cash

[long root]

There are costs

[tropic patio]

banks love that revenue flow though

i bet they are positive overall.

[dire zodiac]

wait till you find out how much hes making from backpack sales

[zealous spire]

no wan show or what?

[ripe jewel]

how long do preshows usually last

[tropic patio]

lttstore in general has to be a fantastic cash flow, but it's harder to forecast

[zealous spire]

I haven't seen it this late in A WHILE

[hoary hull]

Diversify. Diversify. Diversify.

[tired pilot]

The preshow seems to last longer today because Linus needs to fix some screenshots because of some shit that Naomi Wu / SexyCyborg has stirred up

[dire zodiac]

didnt he say merch is like a third of their revenue when he did that video showing where their money comes from

[zealous spire]

Linus once accidentally leaked LTT store sales for the hour when ending the wan show

💀

[spiral crescent]

I vaguely remember seeing a pie chart somewhere of it, look around 30-40% yeah

[fallen herald]

from twitter

[proven torrent]

Dan is very smart

[tired pilot]

Lol

[cinder lark]

Dan is great

[dire zodiac]

14% seems a bit much for sponsored projects, i wonder what that includes

[proven torrent]

He sounds like someone who’s been listening to informational podcasts for 15 years

[proven torrent]

Intel Extreme Upgrade

[fallen herald]

Intel upgrades

[cinder lark]

dan should be on a podcast

[tired pilot]

There is probably going to be some stuff about Wu today lol, as that is why the preshow is taking so long

[tropic patio]

what's awkward is they are running this biz in a part of the world that battles for top spot in cost of living... their wages have to be pretty healthy to live there

[mossy grove]

yes!

[cinder lark]

weather underground?

[dire zodiac]

how much does ltt get for that though? doesnt the 5k go directly to the person getting the upgrade
if its gross rev it makes sense actually nvm

[proven torrent]

I think “sponsored projects” is whenever the Sponsored By banner appears at the beginning, vs unrelated ad reads

[tired pilot]

Naomi Wu / SexyCyborg on Twitter

[cinder lark]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-confusion-gif-10824788

[fallen herald]

Yeah i was literally about to type that lol

[zealous spire]

they blocked it out later lmao

[tired pilot]

Apparently tl;dr Linus was in China, Linus suggested they collab, Linus asked her to come to his hotel via Hangouts apparently, she said no, and is now making a big deal out of it

[proven torrent]

When?

[tired pilot]

I have zero clue to be honest, this is just what i read on Reddit, she have me blocked on twitter lol

She is very very big on the whole zero covid thingy

[proven torrent]

Sounds very grapevine rumor

[tired pilot]

Oh no no

She has released shit about it

I dont think theres anything scandalous or shit about it

[proven torrent]

Has he visited China post-pandemic?

[tired pilot]

Nope, it must have been pre-pandemic

[tawny notch]

I saw the post about this on reddit the other day, I thought I saw something saying 2020

[tired pilot]

Might have been very early 2020 but that really doesnt make much sense tbh

But he did mention her name like super duper briefly while the preshow started today

[dire zodiac]

isnt he trying to screenshot her messages now

[tired pilot]

He is im guessing.

[spiral crescent]

To be fair, Linus's foot does live in his mouth like 30% of the time hahaha

[tired pilot]

I mean that is true, but in this case i dont think he has done anything wrong

[spiral crescent]

Doubt there's any ill will behind it, but shit does he have some spicy takes lol

[tawny notch]

only?

[tired pilot]

I followed her on twitter for a while and well... she is a character to say the least

[finite tulip]

They shout it out on vids, but Nebula creators have whole sponsor reads for their stuff

[tawny notch]

does it have a summer home now?

[dire zodiac]

fp is more entertainment where nebula is like documentaries and stuff though isnt it?

[gray hill]

Curiosity Stream is more docs and stuff and is associated with Nebula. Nebula is a bit all over.

[cinder lark]

Is nebula VC backed?

[silent pulsar]

did wan not start yet?

[tawny notch]

preshow

[mossy grove]

preshow

[old crest]

Nope not officially

[finite tulip]

It’s run by the MCN that all of its creators are a part of and all the creators get equity as well

[cinder lark]

Linus is figuring out how to take screenshots

[silent pulsar]

alr thanks

[old crest]

They are technically live

[feral wagon]

gonna be a late show
-luke

[peak coral]

Sounds like it’s going to be a spicy show between wu and backpacks

[cinder lark]

So fully self funded?

[finite tulip]

It’s most of nerd YouTube but without sponsors and with extra content, which varies by creator

[proven torrent]

Yeah nerd YouTube and BreadTube navigate to nebula a lot

[finite tulip]

They’re not transparent in terms of how they’re funded but they do emphasise that its creator owned in their marketing

[cinder lark]

Interesting

[still forge]

I am quite sure they are going to release the screw driver today xD

[tropic patio]

Going live now!!

[proven torrent]

There’s another fully-cooperatively-owned nebula-ish service that is much smaller, I can’t remember the name

[tiny nimbus]

They haven’t taken the show thumbnail screenshot yet…

[tropic patio]

let's gooo

[red mantle]

Are the merch messages all "Does this come with a warranty?"

[timid fjord]

alrighty... almost ready.

[dire zodiac]

imagine giving like $40 to meme at the guy youre giving money to

[red mantle]

Those people exist 😄

[dire zodiac]

its a sad world

[spiral crescent]

Make Order > Merch Message "Does this come with a warranty?" > Cancel Order > Profit?

Obviously don't...

[toxic flint]

Only if your time has negative value

[red mantle]

People pay for entertainment

[timid fjord]

Live

[cinder lark]

https://tenor.com/view/billoreilly-doitlive-gif-19395985

[proven torrent]

Hmmmm is that thumbnail correct

Off to a great start

[wanton token]

mate the pop up havent been done

[mighty compass]

here we go

[dire zodiac]

they would hype it up for about 3 weeks in a row first

[tulip cradle]

Hahahahahahahahahahahah

[wanton token]

they will

[proven torrent]

Can confirm on the blue message/dating thing. A big reason I switched to iPhone was because of the current dating scene

[toxic flint]

If you're missing out on a girl because she's willing to be judgmental over a colour of a text bubble, you're avoiding a problem

[red mantle]

NGL I would totally consider rejecting someone if they had a blue bubble... and my phone showed different phones with different bubble colours 😄

[toxic flint]

She's going to be stupidly judgmental about something else too

[proven torrent]

It’s not like that. Never has it been “ew green message I’m not dating you” it’s more of a bonus if you DO have blue messages. And honestly I feel the same way. Reactions & full-res media is a huge plus.

[red mantle]

exactly. Iphone users = drama, beware.

[hoary hull]

On the air!

[proven torrent]

This is more shallow of a judgement than any green-message-judger I’ve met lmao

[cinder lark]

Lol if the green bubble bothered someone I wouldn't want to spend a lot of time with them anyways

[red mantle]

And it works wonders 😄

[proven torrent]

Y’all really aren’t getting it but that’s okay

[toxic flint]

I have a Galaxy Flip 3, people (including pretty women, yes) are always interested in having a look at it

And my texts would be greeeeeen

[red mantle]

... are you sure you aren't missing that we're taking the piss?>

[hoary hull]

So far using Discord and Spotify in the Ficihp K2's screen. Zoom commands (Ctrl+Plus/Minus) FTW.

[toxic flint]

But I'm one of those Signal assholes anyways 😆

[tropic patio]

to me it's more about, if something THAT meaningless in life bugs someone... i dunno

[red mantle]

wtf is a signal?!

[tropic patio]

SIGNAL!!! I'm there with you

[proven torrent]

That never really translates over text

[cinder lark]

Lmao

[proven torrent]

That’s what tone indicators are for

[dire zodiac]

ive never known anyone to make a dating decision based on a phone choice

[cinder lark]

"I said a lot of things"

[north furnace]

linus indeed has said many words

[red mantle]

It does if you're not American. This is a very American problem.

[cinder lark]

Put this on a Tshirt

[proven torrent]

Huh?

[tropic patio]

Signal is one of the only independent end to end encrypted messaging apps. creators of whatsapp took cash from sale and made signal.

[tawny notch]

off to a bad start, already choking on his one heel

[toxic flint]

Signal is on mobile and desktop, too, which is super nice

[proven torrent]

Wish my friends were open to using discord

Blue group chats are too convenient

[hoary hull]

Controversial things:
"You're hair looks great with corn rows."
"You cat will never murder you."
"$90 for a screwdriver seems fair."

[split flame]

TBH, little surprised Linus doesnt have a prepared statement. But I'm a PR/marketing person for corporations to idk

[wanton token]

here we go the spicy

[north furnace]

he was writing it during the pre show I think

[cinder lark]

I think they should get one soon

[red mantle]

It won't be spicy 😄

[proven torrent]

Linus? Preparing what he’s gonna say??

[cinder lark]

They're growing into a real company

[wanton token]

relatively spicy part

[split flame]

@cinder larkYessssss all week I've been thinking this

[red mantle]

It'll be purely "You guys were creating drama where there wasn't drama"

[proven torrent]

That was screenshots of twitter threads

[split flame]

Happy to help them lol

[wanton token]

i mean it kinda is

[north furnace]

"I wanna be a real company!" (in linus squeeker voice)

[wanton token]

but anyways i will write a tldr in lttstore

[cinder lark]

I want them to be one too, but if they wanna do it without VC funding they really can't afford to ruin their relationship with the community

[red mantle]

Annnnd he's basically confirmed what I said. There are already legal requirements and they already go and will go above and beyond that. Done. Nothing to see here.

[hoary hull]

The iceburg will not sink us

[toxic flint]

Wonder if he heard what GamersNexus had to say today -- which was pretty negative about what Linus did

[wanton token]

nvm my tldr skill sucks

[red mantle]

It was a real cringe watch. Especially for someone of his uh.... stature.

[spiral crescent]

Got to assume as a public figure anything you do or say will be taken at it's worst...

This isn't even the first time this has happened, man needs to learn

[split flame]

I wonder if Linus/LMG have a talent development program... I think its time, its not a flat org and is more "professional" now

[north furnace]

I think they have nowhere near ruined their relationship

[tired pilot]

The worst thing about this is that Nick had basically a very good response a few months ago that would have probably satisfied the majority of people

[cinder lark]

Not yet by any means

[red mantle]

I mean it was seriously bad trying to big-note himself off mis-interpreting what a competitor said, and it got reaaaal bad.

[north furnace]

the people actually mad, don't sound like they're actual customers

past or future

[tired pilot]

I think many were

[north furnace]

(X)

[red mantle]

Many dozen 😄

[spiral crescent]

I disagree, and it isn't just about merch customers but more his following and the pro-consumer stance etc

[tired pilot]

I would have bought a bag if it had warranty (and i had not had a Everki bag already) i might actually buy a screwdriver even if its gonna cost me probably 120 dollars

If it has a warranty..

[hoary hull]

https://tenor.com/view/confidence-wink-we-got-this-smile-nicholas-cage-gif-4998881

[north furnace]

linus just said it has been in the dozens for cancellations

that's literally nothing

[red mantle]

It has a goddamn warranty. omfg, why are people still struggling to get this?

[split flame]

I ordered the backpack within 15 minutes of it going live. I'm excited for it, and know that LMG would take care of me if something happens (they have twice now). BUT, I'm concerned about the way things have been said/commented. Again, PR/marketing person but there are a few red flags IMO and they NEED PR person

[dire zodiac]

luke coming in with the giga based take

[spiral crescent]

Oh for sure, doesn't mean it doesn't hurt the brand or future orders though

[cinder lark]

Based Luke

[tired pilot]

If its not on paper, its not a warranty.

[north furnace]

really doubt it will make any noticeable difference

[tired pilot]

Its a pinky promise

Which by any means is fine in some cases

[spiral crescent]

What can I say, I bought a backpack anyway

[red mantle]

People are choosing to interpret "it doesn't have a warranty that says we'll personally deliver a replacement in a gold-plated box if you scratch it" as "It will adhere to the requirements provided by law"

[red mantle]

FFS. It's on paper. It's called the law

[toxic flint]

The warranty thing wasn't a major factor for me, but I did check all my other bags & backpacks and they all have some variation of a lifetime or many-year warranty

[hoary hull]

Never go back on a pimky promise

[red mantle]

He literally addressed this just now.

[north furnace]

which in reality, usually mean very little

[dire zodiac]

does that apply to customers in diff countries though

[tropic patio]

did you know that before you checked? did you expect them to? I'm not sure most people would even go through the hassle and just buy a new one

[toxic flint]

@north furnace This is incorrect and you can't prove it

[spiral crescent]

But look... The guy fucked up, and now he's trying to address it and admitting he handled it badly. Credit where credit is due

[red mantle]

It would depend on the country, and this is no different to any 'explicit' warranty. The likely answer is "yes".

[dire zodiac]

$250 is a lot of money ($350 with taxes and shipping)

[toxic flint]

I've done a warranty replacement on zippers on a messenger bag before, no cost to me

[tawny notch]

I want to superchat a message but I don't want to support the store's sales due to the warranty thing

[tropic patio]

for a high end backpack, it's not

[earnest drum]

Yeah if I had the bag for more than a year and something broke I would almost just assume it was out of warranty and buy a new one.

[north furnace]

lol what, have you read through most "lifetime" warranties?

[toxic flint]

Yep. I don't buy entry-level bags

[upper gyro]

whats happining just joined

[hoary hull]

Drink the grape drink!

[upper gyro]

the live

[toxic flint]

I always check warranties before buying things because I want to know how much more money I might be out if something goes wrong

[dire zodiac]

ok but it straight up is a lot of money and competing high end backpacks have a many year long warranty

[red mantle]

"Lifetime" usually means "how long we (the company) expect the product to last, or how long we continue to manufacture/sell that product"

[hoary hull]

Ride the comet with the Cult of LTT

[north furnace]

their "lifetimes" are typically rather short, and also only really apply to issues with manufacturing

[tired pilot]

I live in a country where 2 / 5 year waranties are basically mandated by law so..

[red mantle]

It does NOT typically mean "your lifetime", which is how people like to interpret the word to their benefit.

[toxic flint]

Here's Crumpler's "lifetime" warranty.... literally written that it lasts until you die

[tired pilot]

Some brands do that though, and especially in the price segment of this backpack and stuff, not everybody does it though

[north furnace]

bro

read words

"normal use"

[tropic patio]

the issue is "under normal use" is subjective and can exclude a slew of use cases, leaving you out to dry

[toxic flint]

@north furnace Don't fucking tell me to read. I read it before posting

[hoary hull]

Things that can kill Linus:

1. Toque shortage.
2. Canucks leave Vancouver
3. Trudeau Lizard Person Reveal

[upper gyro]

luke smile if you have read this

[red mantle]

Crumplers 'lifetime' warranty is "For as long as we manufacture the product". I have a lot of experience dealing with crumpler, with them sponsoring some of the events I've been involved with, and knowing the owner.

[cinder lark]

The ghost of ncix

[upper gyro]

i seen you smile

you give me a warning

[toxic flint]

@red mantle You're some random person on a Discord. What I posted is official and what they will be expected to uphold.

[red mantle]

It's weird to see this as a quote, having dealt with them and us having prizewinners who have had a conflicting experience.

[north furnace]

the way that's worded gives crumpler a complete out if your use case doesn't fall under what they say is "normal"

[dire zodiac]

omg is it the real andrew tate

[tropic patio]

Either way though, 250.00 isn't really a lot for a backpack with this many features or quality materials. even if it broke a couple years down the road, I wouldn't assume i could get it replaced at all

[upper gyro]

yes

[dire zodiac]

love the part of your videos where they end

[upper gyro]

innit

[toxic flint]

Or for fuck's sakes, people, I didn't quote the whole page

[upper gyro]

luke smile please you look angry

i love you

[toxic flint]

They exclude "normal wear and tear" from the warranty policy a few paragraphs later

[tropic patio]

all warranties have out clauses, it's literally the job of the lawyer to write them in

or at least almost all

I would be shoked if that one didn't have an out clause, I dunno why we would expect them to exist without them. not a big deal to me

[north furnace]

agreed, I'm just saying most warranties don't actually mean anything

[tardy crystal]

It should be as simple as this though. Is the product produced still, and was it in a price frame where it's worth the time and hassle of claiming warranty vs just getting a new one on some products though.
Not all backpacks cost $250 and are even worth the trouble of going through support about it. Once it gets upwards of the price point to deem it worthy than it should have a limited warranty but not all lifetime warranties are what you think.

[toxic flint]

Crumpler also has a repair program. And it's not just them, many bag manufacturers offer this. What I haven't heard from LTT so far is whether they will repair damaged bags, even if it is at the customer's expense

[red mantle]

The problem is that there's a lot of people who buy products that have a masssssive margin, and then expect companies to just do the 'good PR' warranty of "you broke it, but we'll replace it anyway" type warranty.

[cinder lark]

He just said it ahhhhhh

hire a PR person

[upper gyro]

luke smile for me or nod your head if you are happy and love your job and life

[hoary hull]

PR Team: "The views expressed by Linus are not the views of Linus."

[tired pilot]

He doesnt need a PR person lol

[tropic patio]

what does the Crumpler run? too lazy to go google it lol

[red torrent]

I could be his PR person

[tired pilot]

He needs to let Nick deal with more stuff lol

[cinder lark]

He needs a coach

[tired pilot]

And or listen more to Nick lmao

[red mantle]

Crumpler will hand-repair stuff - we've certainly had them do that to some gear.

[red torrent]

Like it used to be, I remember nick would call him during the show to get him to stfu

[tired pilot]

Hahaha yeah

[upper gyro]

luke please acknowledge me please your my number 1 fan

[red mantle]

Crumpler have gone through a lot of changes since their inception. They became very well known for their "lifetime warranty" claims early on in the companies life, which changed quite a long time ago.

[tropic patio]

lol, if a PR firm handled this, I think it'd hurt his brand

[tired pilot]

It was very obvious during this whole debacle that Nick was desperately trying to get a bigger and bigger firehose to put out the fires Linus started on twitter lol

[tropic patio]

we're used to seeing the inner workings and details, PR firm statements are so fake

[tired pilot]

I mean yeah

But there are other options than letting Linus shoot himself in the foot live on wan show lol

[hoary hull]

PR Team: "What if we waited 18 months then blamed Ob*m* for it..."

[tired pilot]

Or rather, there should probably be a way to try and remove the shovel when he starts to dig too hard : P

[upper gyro]

luke zaddy please anything put your thumbs up and i will leave you forever

[wanton token]

oh boy linus is wording shit than can easily be taken out of context again

[hoary hull]

"Judgement for the plantiff for $200 canadian...so $75 american."

[tired pilot]

Meh, Linus is doing decently well tonight lol

[north furnace]

"linus 'tech tips' sebastian's views do not represent the views of Linus Media Group"

[gray hill]

I really wish Linus would just say: Look, we screwed up, we're going to have a simple warranty, but we promise our support experience will be amazing." I love Linus, but I feel like this entire convo is NOT helping.

[tired pilot]

Yes a bit lmao

[tawny notch]

do not shame luke out of talking

[tardy crystal]

It's not that simple though.

Just doing that most people want to hear more about it though.

[gray hill]

Yeah it is.

[hoary hull]

"Short circuit"? What was in the backpack?

[silk wadi]

I'd agree. The "interpretations" he's pulling up are not the main concerns.

[cinder lark]

They should really knock out all the tech news at the start of the show

[tropic patio]

short circuit special on the backpack.

[north furnace]

then he'd have a bunch of people complaining he didn't do enough

[tardy crystal]

Nah. We get a long WAN tonight.

[north furnace]

pretty unlikely for people he didn't say "he talked too much about the warranty, reeeeeeeeeeee"

[gray hill]

I totally disagree.

[north furnace]

ok?

[silk wadi]

Okay, the thing about steve. Steve is 100% right, the backpack isn't warrantied, it wasn't outdated information.

[tired pilot]

Ugh

[silk wadi]

What was that take

[tired pilot]

Yeah lmao

[tardy crystal]

You can't just disagree with people's opinions though.

[tired pilot]

That was ....not great

[wanton token]

the take is terrible lol

at least worded terrible

[split flame]

hes starting to dig a hole

[cinder lark]

Luke needs to talk more

[toxic flint]

"I'm not going to watch the source, but I'm going to react to it based on how people talked about it"

[tired pilot]

Someone needs to be ready to take his shovel

[wanton token]

yeah

[cinder lark]

LTT shovel???

[split flame]

yeah his wording didnt come out right

[silk wadi]

Like holy shit, if you didn't watch the video don't comment on it

[wanton token]

friendly reminder you are on the internet

[split flame]

The whole "I probably wont even watch it" ouchie

[north furnace]

imo it is accurate to say steve used outdated info/omitted info. there had already been multiple confirmations there will be a warranty before steve posted his video.

[silk wadi]

He's said so many times and commented about people "not watching the whole video" and then pulls that lmao

[tropic patio]

Do you mean the GamersNexus video?

[wanton token]

people are ready to jump to the worst assumption any minute

[tired pilot]

Also his very passive aggressive comments when luke tried to do like "It was outdated info HINT HINT WINK WINK"

[silk wadi]

Correct, and what did Steve say? That there isn't a warranty.

[tropic patio]

Yeah, I watched it

[silk wadi]

He didn't say that there wouldn't be a warranty

[tropic patio]

He's right. i'm just personally on the fence that I'm ok with that

[wanton token]

steve had a pretty shit take too

[north furnace]

it was continually said "this is a $250 backpack with no warranty", which yes is currrently accurate, does not give the full picture

[wanton token]

twitch chat is kinda a shit show lol

[silk wadi]

The full picture that it's still a "trust me we will have a warranty at some point"

[gray hill]

I don't understand how we are this far in and he's just digging a hole instead of just fixing it and moving on.

[cinder lark]

Linus doesn't like to walk back on stuff

[silk wadi]

He is 100% right, there is no warranty.

[cinder lark]

It's his nature

[red mantle]

which one is he?

[drowsy trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/fran-healy-fran-travis-band-backpedal-gif-23696630

[north furnace]

still makes sense to include that in a video addressing the subject, with however big a BUT you want after it

[tired pilot]

I mean.. yes and no.. He could probably have included a comment about how they have said they will fix shit, but that nontheless there still doesnt exist any formal warranty

[wanton token]

GN

[split flame]

AGGHHHH this is killing me as a marketer. Linus pls

[red mantle]

I dont see a GN username in there

[spiral crescent]

"Hey guys, I fucked up and didn't articulate what I meant properly. Backpacks will ship with a warranty, sorry for the confusion." - End of topic

[silk wadi]

But what? To quote linus (when he was talking about RTX): "We can only judge a product based on how it is now, not future promises"

[wanton token]

it was Gamers Nexus steve on his video

[gray hill]

EXACTLY. This is WORSE.

[north furnace]

100%, would make no sense and would be a lie to say it does have a warranty right now, it should've included reference to LMG saying there will be a warranty

[silk wadi]

He literally has said we can't judge the product based on a promise future

[red mantle]

Oh, that video, which I watched and have said many times I think was a match short of a dumpster-fire? 😄

[wanton token]

imo it kinda is

[north furnace]

you can't judge a product on future promises, but it makes sense to include all current information in a news video

[drowsy trellis]

If he wants to be honest 99% of the people won’t buy that expensive of a backpack. He’s really only talking to the 1% uber fans

[spiral crescent]

I don't get why he's still talking about it. Not even digging a hole, just inflating the issue and trying to justify it.

Poor Luke xD

[hoary hull]

"Whatabootisms"

[silk wadi]

Which he included all of the confirmed information. None of what he said was false. Even if he included "Linus has mentioned there is an intent to have a warranty." That wouldn't change a thing. There is still no warranty, end of discussion on that.

[red mantle]

I'm super-surprised they have invested soooooo much R&D, time and coverage in to backpack, which I see as a super-niche product with sooo much competition out there already to and appeals to a very small minority. I have zero interest in backpack.

[wanton token]

Linus is talking based on thing him know

while most of the people dont know

this is the current problem

[tired pilot]

There is needing a PR team, and there is Linus desperately needing to understand that digging a hole and turning it into hot take backpedaling central is not a good thing ..

[north furnace]

None of what he said is false, but omitting information is also bad.

[silk wadi]

Omitting implies he saw that and chose to not include it.

[split flame]

So I bought the watterbottle when it first came out. Over a year later the paint was coming off the bottle. I have even dropped it a few times. Full disclosured that and emailed support with pics. They sent me a new one, no questions asked and pretty quickly. But I understand the need for a "written statement" but I watched LTT/Creator warehouse a long time before buying.

[toxic flint]

They've put more words into this now than would go into a basic warranty / repair policy on a web page somewhere

[fallen herald]

I dont even think a PR team would be needed, just have Nick on the wan show

[silk wadi]

Right, and that's the thing, you can trust that process because you went through it and experienced it.

[neat kiln]

I’m 15 minutes behind, but I’ve had faith Linus meant what he’s said in good faith

[split flame]

Yes and TBH I did look on their site for a warranty statement. They need something at least

[north furnace]

imo there's a moral obligation as a news source to include all relevant/current information.

[red mantle]

Man, if I bought a painted metal product that gets regular exposure to elements, water etc, and a whole year later some paints coming off, I'm just gonna go "meh". I'm sure all my PAX bottles are like that.

[wanton token]

ok finally

[lethal mesa]

He’s got a good heart being honest right now, just telling “sorry for the confusion, here you go with the warranty” he’s got this! I’m sure There’s going to be a warranty but at least he’s justifying what he meant.

[drowsy trellis]

You can skip ahead and not miss anything. He just keeps repeating what he thinks are god points but miss the Mark

[tardy crystal]

That's just how customer service should be. "Trust me bro" besides the point.

[red mantle]

Oh look, it was exactly as expected 😄

[split flame]

woah limited lifetime

[wanton token]

Linus you should said this first

[tired pilot]

Hahaha yeah

[wanton token]

and then start your shit

[split flame]

ye

[limber patrol]

limited is a legal term

[neat kiln]

Nah. Ima listen all the way through

[silk wadi]

Alright lets say he included that tweet right? There would have been no difference.

[tired pilot]

And then repeated it

[split flame]

yeah more impact on lifetime. was expecting a few years

[wanton token]

Linus stired up the shit storm and added the statement everyone wanted

[north furnace]

there would've been the difference of having the most current info, that's the difference

[red mantle]

He's totally just created a new brand - "Trust me bro"

[tired pilot]

Also TWEET ABOUT IT asap, like RN, dont wait lol

[silk wadi]

I don't agree that a plan is that important to it. Again LMG is a corporation, that's just it.

[red mantle]

he's sooooo gonna ride that product branding meme to the bank 😄

[hoary hull]

"Leadership consists of nothing but taking responsibility for everything that goes wrong and giving your subordinates credit for everything that goes well." --Dwight D. Eisenhower

[keen bloom]

I'm buying the shirt

[silk wadi]

Not to mention the first what, 30 minutes of the discussion was just spent talking about all the terrible cynical takes about his statements from the last wan show.

[north furnace]

I'm pretty sure I've heard steve about 1000 times say "X claims they will do X", it's very standard to include that kind of thing in their content

[hoary hull]

"Trust Me Bro"

[tardy crystal]

Welcome to WAN show, a live weekly podcast where they talk about stuff where hindsight is 20/20 and some hot takes can be had.

[hoary hull]

I remember having a shirt that said "Don't tase me, Bro."

[north furnace]

some

[wanton token]

I am so going to ps a picture of linus digging a hole and put a board on top of it as a meme

[proven torrent]

I’m now convinced that Linus drums up controversies just to sell a shirt about it

[silk wadi]

[red mantle]

Linus is SO gonna wear a TMB tee next week on WAN 😄

[limber patrol]

"cant let a pr disaster go to waste" -linus probably XD

[lethal mesa]

Most of them are missing the point that his word/commitment to customer service is more powerful than any regular backpack brand warranty. Along with the legal warranty its nice to have linus tell me that he’s got my back if my bag breaks down due to a reason i did not anticipate.

[soft steppe]

god people are getting so pissy over the shirt its not that deep

[hoary hull]

That's how we got gooey butter cake

[keen bloom]

He did say something like that lmao.

[silk wadi]

His word is only as good for people who know him though

[toxic bough]

checkmate haters? lol

[feral wagon]

do not drop

[soft steppe]

LOL

[toxic flint]

Is it me or did the Twitch viewer count just drop by more than 50%?

[lethal mesa]

Well there’s going to be a warranty for ppl who don’t, soon they’ll know about the good stuff once they get in a situation. In the end everyone wins

[keen bloom]

LMFAO

[spiral crescent]

Yup, lol

[toxic bough]

peeps were def hate watching lmao

[red mantle]

it's just you? just shy of 5k?

[north furnace]

I think every product they sell says this

[silk wadi]

Yeah, which is why it should been there from the start lmao

[toxic flint]

Pretty sure it was over 12K half an hour ago

[north furnace]

everything I have from them does

[red mantle]

12k on YouTube?

[hoary hull]

https://tenor.com/view/men-in-tights-dancing-tights-manly-men-gif-11190708

[lethal mesa]

Thats linus for us 😂

[feral wagon]

[proven torrent]

This shirt should come with a lifetime warranty

[lean perch]

I'm watching on Floatplane

[soft steppe]

i've just had 4-5k people in twitch

[soft steppe]

tbh i think it would be even funnier if it didn't

[silk wadi]

like I'll say, support has been amazing for me. That doesn't mean I don't see the problems in not having a stated warranty

[hoary hull]

"I'm pretty sure I hired experts."

[lethal mesa]

I don’t for a second doubt this will have any -VE effect on their reputation. They’ve always come through in the end.

[wanton token]

not a whole lot of effort

[silk wadi]

Soooooo we get warranty by him stirring the storm? pog

[wanton token]

he stir the storm and give a warranty at the same time

[tawny notch]

have to let him think he wins somehow

[lethal mesa]

The company is growing really fast, lots of learning opportunities and places where they can mess up (like this) but it comes down to the fans and followers, they make and break LMG

[tardy crystal]

A lot of times you just have to learn stuff from experience. Accidents give you more experience than success.

[proven torrent]

I trust EVGA not because they have a flawless history, but because they do their best to make it right whenever they inevitably fuck up

[tardy crystal]

Look at YouTube itself. All the time stupid stuff happens and you just have to go from there.

[toxic flint]

Sure, but the trick is to let other people make the mistakes and learn from them. Or ideally you hire people who've been though that so they come to you with their battle scars and say "Nope, don't do that because this is what will happen"

[tardy crystal]

Surged my entire PC one time and warrantied my motherboard with them. UPS messed up the address and sent back my RMAd motherboard I'd cross shipped so I hit back up support to make sure I'd still get my money back and they totally understood.

[proven torrent]

Sounds like they were already working on a warranty

[toxic flint]

LTT hires a lot of people for their first 'real' job so sometimes they are missing that experience

[tropic patio]

i'm literally that person at my job right now. feels weird cause I feel like I'm training my leaders

[tardy crystal]

Exactly. Easier to learn from others mistakes but sometimes you just gotta make them your own.

[neat kiln]

So I have the HW News from GN open in the next tab to watch after wan show. What do they say

[wanton token]

a pretty shit take

but a take none the less

[tropic patio]

just watch it to hear for yourself

[wanton token]

party he is not wrong, a warranty is a warranty

[proven torrent]

I thought it was a decent take. Linus is right that he didn’t have the full context, but he was correct given what he knew at the time

Also all mod mats get a retroactive 7 year warranty now

[wanton token]

Linus assumed people know their policy/dealed with support

[proven torrent]

As a playful competitive jab at Linus

[north furnace]

he just didn't know all the facts, which is important when reporting on the news

[neat kiln]

I plan on it. Oh do they mention the video on Wan? I’m 15 minutes behind so

[toxic flint]

I have a mod mat so I am happy for the longer warranty. Not that I am ancitipating needing it, I've put it through a lot and there's definitely no manufacturing defects

[proven torrent]

He knew all the facts available when it was recorded

[wanton token]

linus didnt mention the gn stuff

[lethal mesa]

Its extremely hard to foster a company that is somewhat pro-consumer. Linus is doing a great job with the merch store. I hope he and his company is able to find a balance between handling a business and pro-consumer stance

[north furnace]

unless it was recorded like 3 days ago?

[proven torrent]

He hasn’t watched it

[toxic flint]

GN News videos are usually recorded a couple of days in advance

It's....... not the fastest way to find out what's going on

[tropic patio]

I only watch those to get Steve's take

[proven torrent]

Yeah it’s no TechLinked

[tropic patio]

just like the WAN show... it's all "old" news, i just like watching for the hot takes

[proven torrent]

Depth instead of speed

[neat kiln]

I mean that’s the same when I watch gameranx for the news. It’s not the quickest

[lethal mesa]

lol I’m that 1% who’s playing exploding kittens through Netflix 😂

[wanton token]

steve take is not bad, but not that good if you know the context

[north furnace]

it was 4 days ago that linus said there will be a warranty on the backpack, he also may have said it earlier that's just me looking quickly

[toxic flint]

Yeah

[soft steppe]

netflix has games???

[north furnace]

that would mean HWnews was recorded 5 days in advance?

[proven torrent]

Netflix should buy World of Warcraft

[lethal mesa]

I was bombarded with them everyday until i tapped to play. Now it doesn’t even show up

Had to download it tho

[soft steppe]

yeah todays like the first time i've heard about gaming on netflix

[toxic flint]

There's a news item from Monday in there, so at most it's 4 days old

[tropic patio]

I knew about it, but i have no desire to attempt to add that role to netflix in my life

Amazon Prime also has games, and I don't use/play them cause that's not the role it serves in my life

[dawn granite]

Does anyone know a good router for playing 4k videos from a NAS?

[soft steppe]

amazon prime has games????????

[tardy crystal]

you're kidding, right?

[lethal mesa]

All the games are either idle games or are like the ones in the ads with wrong gameplay which you play once and get bored

[lethal mesa]

Amazon prime????

Games??

[tardy crystal]

They own Twitch.

[tropic patio]

https://gaming.amazon.com/home

[tardy crystal]

It's Twitch Prime Gaming.

[lethal mesa]

i thought it was just LUNA

[grizzled thorn]

bwoah

[north furnace]

they have a whole ass game streaming platform lol

[toxic flint]

I googled for "prime games".... this isn't an ideal short message

[north furnace]

luna

[soft steppe]

oh my goodness what a deal

[tardy crystal]

The occasional good ones are in there. First one that comes to mind would be Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order was on there a few months back.

[lethal mesa]

I left bestbuy some time ago and i feel like i have been out of touch in technology until today

[wanton token]

2 garfield 2 furious

[hoary hull]

"Lower garage"

[tardy crystal]

Lol. Nope. Haven't touched LUNA.

[lethal mesa]

I really can’t afford to brick my GPU. I know they fixed the error but I’m scarred for life

[tardy crystal]

Been there, done that. It isn't fun.

[hoary hull]

Building my own Steam Box with SteamOS and a Mini PC. The only Luna I know is from Helluva Boss.

[grizzled thorn]

lé brick

[tropic patio]

wait? don't GPU's come with warranties??

[north furnace]

lttstore simulator wen

[tropic patio]

🙂

[soft steppe]

stoolpy

[north furnace]

stthonkolpy

[grizzled thorn]

shitp

[wanton token]

problem is a lot of times warranties are annoying to claim

[ripe jewel]

mad stoolpy rn

[wanton token]

i have never claimed a gpu warranty

so i cant really talk about it

[tardy crystal]

Turned out the GPU I'd bought used, the warranty on it had ended the month the dude sold it to me. Lol.

[wanton token]

lmao

[toxic flint]

EVGA did replace all the 3090s with bad soldering that caused the bricking in New World

[tardy crystal]

So that I just ate and got a new one.

[tropic patio]

they def do. and cover bricking, it's not like they can find out easily exactly HOW it got bricked

[toxic flint]

Under WaRaRaNtY

[wanton token]

oh yeah i had a mate that nearly got fucked

[toxic flint]

woooooo ghost hand motion

[hoary hull]

ESPN 8 had Professonal EXCEL Spreadsheeting.

[wanton token]

fuck manny

[hoary hull]

Excel: The original E-sport

[wanton token]

wtf

[toxic flint]

Main problem with New World now seems to be that a lot of people aren't enjoying it that much

[north furnace]

real gamers use excel

[wanton token]

dont worry

i played 240 hours and wanted a refund

[north furnace]

if you don't need spreadsheets to manage resources in a game, are you really having fun???

[grizzled thorn]

Microsoft E

[wanton token]

it was ok at start

[toxic flint]

@wanton token I haven't played it. Just watched some video. Is it really that bad?

[wanton token]

and it went to shit very quickly

[tropic patio]

Was on ESPN2 here

which is a LOT higher than I expected

[wanton token]

i havent played for quite a while

i played the launch month

specialization were extremely grindy and stupid

[hoary hull]

https://www.pcgamer.com/finally-mainstream-esports-acceptance-espn-airs-microsoft-excel-all-star-battle/

[wanton token]

i was grinding weaponsmithing

you need a SHIT TON of resources and money and time to grind it to 175 mastery

(which is where you can craft those endgame level weapons)

if you want to grind it at a "good rate"

[soft steppe]

bruh im dying at "bullsheet"

[wanton token]

you need 5-8 people supporting you with resource

and the population balancing was very bad

basically AGS really didnt think it though

[hoary hull]

Less Commonly Known Tech Careers:

• Coffee Gofer. "Go for some Timmy's for us!"
• Server Monkey. "Stay here and tell us when the server goes down. We don't know how to automate this and we don't want to pay for it."

One company wanted to hire me to promote NFTs last year for their beer marketing. Guess which brewery.

[wanton token]

and wikipedia speedrun

oh my god

[toxic flint]

@wanton token Thanks. I guess we'll see whether they're serious about fixing this since it sounds like a pretty major game design issue, not just a balance issue

[wanton token]

idk

it has been quite a while

idk if they have fixed anything

but i am not planning going back anyways

my comments about of new world is as relavant as those release week/month comments

[hoary hull]

"Coming soon to netflix: From the creators of Microsoft Excel and League of Legends: EXCEL: Magic Journey! See two sisters survive in an arcane world of rows and columns. Will they mend their broken relationship, or will the elder sister's love with her girlfriend send the younger sister down a rabbit hole of madness."

And like that there's already a ship trending on Twitter: #SUMPRODUCT

[lethal mesa]

I kind of prefer "Late night Wan show with Linus"

like today

[hoary hull]

Luke as wingman like Andy Ritcher

[lethal mesa]

DING DING DING

[hoary hull]

I can't believe the show is almost over.

[wanton token]

12 years warranty

[soft steppe]

the wait felt so long and the actual show felt so short

[wanton token]

Seasonic

[hoary hull]

How long is that warranty?

[wanton token]

12 YEARS

one dozen

two half dozens

[hoary hull]

Will Seasonic confirm that with a "Trust Me Bro"?

[soft steppe]

iirc it was 12 years

[lethal mesa]

banana for scale actually works here

[wanton token]

Can you not trust 12 years?

[soft steppe]

i believe it was 4 quarters of a dozen

[wanton token]

that is 6 bananas degredation for scale

[hoary hull]

A lot can happen in 12 years.

[wanton token]

TIL

[lethal mesa]

woah

[wanton token]

seasonic offers 6 banana worth of warranty

[hoary hull]

If you peal six bananas at the same time, how long will it take for them to degrade? 2 years. You can't save them for every two years.

[wanton token]

assume time freeze