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Also worth waiting to see if they have any of those sweet deals going.
I want to do a merch message... but they don't seem to want to release anything I've been waiting on 😄
stealth deskpad, 64oz water bottle, long boi shirts, backpack...
Oh god. the backpack!
I'm so sad I started a new job this week and I work on weekends so no more live watching of the WAN show 😭
is there a show tonight?
HIii, whats up guys, ealy gang 😄 , cheeeers the time is 420 😆 🍻 🪴 🔥 😎 🏆 ❤️🔥
Yes
que houra

Is this more helpful of a demonstration?
don't get me wrong it was fun having them on the show and talking about where they used to work and their responsibilities at intel
man the ice really does stay a long time in the insulated bottle
r they late?
so far yes
what's floatplane
they haven't tweeted about a delay
well there lat6ew
bell usually has an update at some point
i bet they've been doing the show this entire time and have no clue that we're not able to see it
They would see view count be low
Maybe Luke finally got his Intel Upgrade lol
If you check the description of this here #the-wan-show channel, you'll see it says "Fridays at roughly 5PM PST" 😉
Sometimes they're right on time, sometimes they're finishing up something else. Latest WAN Show start time I remember was closer to 7PM PST.
i know
https://www.howlateiswanshow.com has a timer lmao
I’m expecting about 6:00 since the preshow isn’t even up yet
Blizzard and LTT fight to the death for the tm on soon XD
How often is the WAN show actually on time?
Always on time. Technically theres no set time, theres an approximate time
I thought that it was officially scheduled for 5 Pacific/8 Eastern
But often later then that yea. Usually a little late
Is the wan show live yet?
Description of this channel says "roughly"
Sometime in the next hour
Thanks
So, I would count Hour:05 or even Hour:10 as one-time, but Hour:30 or Hour+1 as late ;)
who made this im curious
Fair
nvm found a GH repo https://github.com/prushton2/howlateiswanshow
got go-live notification but the page doesnt load for me
me
there it is 🙂
if youre better than me at styling a website plz make a pr
thank you for the go live notification for someone who isnt signed into twitch and doesnt want to
do u have an idea of what u want?
i got the notification through the browser and floatplane.com 🙂
i dont care, something that isnt basic
Lol. Linus playing video games on stream.
omg colton
He can't escape the meme
"and I did" hahaha
Of course he did.
is this channel like an unofficial stream chat lol
Stupid Twitch ads
The (not) official stream chat.
is the live up on yt for you guys?
no its preshow on twitch

Free prime sub? That's what I do
Stream chat that moves slow enough to follow a conversation
It's preshow.
alright lip readers, give us the hot nick business insider tips
Also, Floatplane
oh
The lips are gone.
thx
so LTT is a gaming channel now lol
they're on to us
LOL...He's still trying to play that VGA game.
sorry im a privateer
alright telepathic people, give us the new position Colton is getting
customer
Miner VGA
Linus's is a game streamer now. Playing games that are so lousy that even LGR has never played them.
I still can't get over how last week's stream was the best one yet
what did u like about it
Was just overall different compared to WANs as of a while.
Well it was more professional and it was nice to have some pro's from Intel on the show
I wonder if Miner VGA was a Canadian thing?
NEW MERCH - Swim Trunks!
Canada bottle is going. Nice.
ah, home is the name of the canada bottle
anything else u want to improve about it?
Bottles in the middle there.
it looks kinda like a christmas decor in the middle lol
green plants and red bottle
could also be denmark bottle

how i am watching the wan show to night
@tall topaz based
I'm still waiting for the 64 oz bottle
three take it or leave it

I have a 40 oz, but would gladly upgrade if the price is right.
I got a 40 at first. Got a mystery 21 and ended up getting it in black and white. Very nice.
#5leafclover
those would be even luckier surely
or superglue
We're just skipping WAN this week.
omg linus just took that to 11 xD
#coltonfail
Going FS
It's up.
It's a newer thing.
it feels different from last show
What was whale lan pricing
5-6k I think
no prep, too busy with miner vga
overkill computers. you mean overkill pricing?

Anyone got a twitch app alternative with proper background play? As of now i have to open the twitch app for pre show, force close twitch in settings (otherwise audio plays without the app open) then open yt to close my screen and listen when the main show goes live
does it have to be twitch
i personanly use newpipe on my phone and it seems to work for not the pre show
is video freezing for people or just me
Just you.
Newpipe cant get the twitch feed can it? I use ytvanced so im good for the main show, the twitch app is just terrible at background play
thats y i said does it have to be twitch because idk if it does twitch
instant pixel art
is that actual pixel art or just a lowres stream
wan show generated pixel art sounds so cool
using https://www.brow.sh/
Yepp. My Vanced works fine. Wan show isnt the only stream i have issues with twitch on, but its the main one id want in the background while i do other stuff
ah yes
I built a pretty well specced out build with watercooling in a build with a 2080 Ti and 8700K and it came out well under $5K. It only comes up to that once on my PCPP list I put all the rest of my setup on there.
Wait did they say that overkill doesnt offer warranty on their PC? That seems illegal...
it was someone trolling in chat likely
If you live outside the US. How lots of US based stuff works. Mainly looking back at the OneWheel from a while back and whatnot.
Overkill be the next artesian builds
linus goes ffrom zero to 100 count: 2
Pulling this one from Floatplane chat,
sebastianelhefe Artesian builds 2 overpriced boogaloo
I want GamerNexus to take a look at Overkill now.
break into their warehouse
Not till there's more too the story. Steve has to take a break after the Artesian mess. Lol. And it's still in process as he talks with the buyer as getting PCs back to customers or whatnot is ongoing.
Yeah true. There are tons of unfinished builds that customers paid for. Kinda sad they're not getting them now.
Let alone RMAd ones as well.
Still blows my mind that the 4000 cards are almost here. It's only been like two years or so
8 figures? damn
Let alone the up front cost for the lab itself and whatnot.
i stepped away, why were they late starting

because this is the wan show
i used to work for a software company and we did flip flops with the company name on the sole
when we need desk cable management we use to just use the industrial fluorescent lamp fixture covers
presumably premade flip flops that you slapped a logo on?
like the wire basket ones
no, you could walk on the sand and leave footprints of the logo
like logo molded into the foam/sole ?
probably had the shapes premade, then added whatever logo to the mold
probably
wasnt my job
all i did was toss them in a bag for the convention
i might have a pair around here somewhere
is linus wearing underwear under a swimsuit lol

swimsuits sometimes have liners
The engineering community having some name calling problems. Lol.
yeah they have liners, but if they were being pulled back like that a liner would go with
i really like the sweatshorts... i wish they came in other colors
I'll probably order a mystery cable tie either when 64oz bottle or screwdriver go live.
if there were other colors I'd order, and some mystery cable ties
Lol.
Would be nice. Price is steep so would take some saving up, but it'd be a nice backpack.
it's a pretty big backpack. i dont need anything that big. if it's bigger than the back of a wheelchair its not helpful.
i'm sure i'm late to the story or something, but what are merch messages
Wait so what’s going on with backpack orders? Did I miss it?
not yet
when you check out on https://lttstore.com, you get the option to add a merch message that shows up on screen
orders start in a couple of days
Nope #lttstore message
Once more reviews go live they'll put it up as not a preorder but a backorder.
Okay. Thank you, so just keep and eye on my email?
Trying to decide if I should get the swim trunks. I have a tankini, and really hate the top of my thighs showing (female).
hmm. must be a scripting thing. i probably have something blocking the function.
where would i be seeing the merch message function
Trunks are cool.
You have to check out as a guest. Can't use Shop Pay.
Pretty sure that's still the main thing blocking MM stuff. Haven't done it myself.
so i should log out
On the Checkout page
Could even try getting a pair and trimming them and cleaning up the ends if they are a bit too long unless you do in fact want that little thigh showing.
cabling is easy, but dirty.
Very dirty indeed.
thankfully I no longer have to crawl under buildings.
That's very baby Luke.
still not getting any merch message on the lttstore page
i guess i could try ff
ponder. still dont get it
Wait is the show live now?
yes
Dang
Has been for 1 hour 18 minutes
I'm missing it
are the links he mentions supposed to appear in the video when he says "down below"?
pretty sure he means the description
i'm not seeing links in the description either
Every WAN show has the sponsors pre-listed before they go live, so you can check it in the desc.
100% the description. I'm seeing it in the FP description just fine.
i dont see that
below the video it says about linustech, and then it says 500k followers, then it says we broadcast wan show...
then below that are a bunch of channel icons
and stream rules
What are you watching on?
twitch

Twitch has the genius link to sponsors which is often outdated, but yeah they have the info on FP and YT.
Not sure about facebook.
solution: don't use twitch
how else are people watching
why is the discord linking twitch then

😦 I sent a merch message with my order, but it got missed when it popped up on the screen.
I was wondering when the Indoor Hoodie was coming back.
Twitch has more integrations with Discord most likely.
100% otherwise it'd most likely be Floatplane.
i still havent figured out the merch messages
actually no idea why they would have it be twitch
it's literally just a link

so, the 3500 people watching on twitch are SOL on the links
I don't see why this matters
i'm sure the sponsors care
He'll read off the link, if not it's in the lower third.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Hella fair.
well, that was a drastic turn
Very much so. But gotta talk about it.
If Linus was a spice, some would call him flour.
Bit of an overshare?
Slight overshare, but it puts all the facts out there plain and simple.
I actually don't see how that helps more than "I didn't do that and I don't know anyone matching that description"
More facts speak louder than no facts.
I think it's to add merit to his honesty
he's saying that by telling everyone his actual history, they won't give credence to any accusation in the future
assuming he's telling the truth
its a good way of helping stop things like this in the future, but it is a bit of an overshare
but I'm inclined to believe him anyway
so I feel like that's unnecessary given that anyone who would believe that would believe more simple denials, is my point
prevents future attemts at the same thing
so people can self-filter now they know so linus doesnt have to debunk every time now that the attack vector is public
Look at this as a sponsor though. You might not know a single actual thing about Linus, so that goes back to the point that more facts are better than none.
see otherwise, if theres an accusation and someone simply says "no, didn't happen", there's still the question
I don't really see an issue with it, like it's a bit more info than I needed about linus' relationship history, but it doesn't really matter to me
Considering the image of the company is based on LinusMediaGroup, the person, this was a good call imo as ignoring it would bury the seed of doubt to grow within the community and, as such, companies and affiliates.
Who saw the deleted tweet?
Hard to deal with it no matter if you decide to ignore it or address it, but his reply was a good call.
yeah this has to be hell for any public figure
More deskmats? Really?? I just got mine from LTT
my desk is a weird shape. i think the mats are bigger.
man i put ice in this bottle hours ago and it still has ice.
colton trying not to get fired
Colton demoted to an anonymous
that sounds like a character name in a bad sitcom. Fran Chise.
I'm just wondering who could hate Linus so much that they're trying to destroy his company and family....
someone who wants money. probably doesn't even know him
tbh im shocked that it is so easy to just email so many people at the company by guessing. like ive never really throught about that before but am wondering if email filters for companies like this might help. if emails is all of:
- from someone who has never sent an email to the company mailserver before
- is addressed to more than X people in the email domain
then, do not deliver until manually reviewed for spam by IT
or notify CEO or whatever
Was weird he went through his history, I think he should have just said, it's not true and no one like in the accusations has ever existed in his life. No need to really elaborate beyond that since it's just a made up allegation that has literally nothing to do with him, no grains of truth in it.
out all people why would you pick linus
idk i think his response was perfect (if maybe a little detailed)
To me it feels like the difference between like "did you do something? No" and "did you do something? No,, because i was at <totally unrelated place far away> and heres <evidence, like a reciept> to prove it"
like even if you just stick to the "no" its sorta depends on how much you trust linus. like theres gotta be people out there that dont and this is probably the kind of thing where you cant really ignore that minority for an accusation that serious
i mean, if the accuser can produce witnesses, photographs, or other evidence, that's something else entirely
versus like the whole "linus pirates some benchmark software " fiasco taht he addressed on the orum and never spoke publicly about/ignored the vocal minority that were mad about it after he corrected it
it was teamviewer all along should of knew it
Okay I did reply to you but because I used a certain word (one from the accusation lol) it was filtered out and deleted. But my message was essentially, him providing that history doesn't change the accusation.
Saying, I had a great job at a bank doesn't mean you also wouldn't steal from a shop if you get what I'm saying. It was just pretty needless to mention his history.
All he needed to say imo was it's fake made up, internet trolls etc and that's the end of it.
I'm thinking it might have been a disgruntled former employee.
would they havehad to guess internal employee emails tho?
except there's like no evidence
like that's the issue I have
in his response?
That would explain how they knew all the email addresses, the proper contacts at various partners, etc.
it's backing up a claim that has only character evidence with a claim that also has only character evidence
unless I missed something, yes
like all of it was his word
I honestly think the most likely thing is its an ex-fan of the channel. Some people are really insane, like you remember when Linus went to the NCIX auction and wanted to buy back his golden play buttons and another bidder got them instead?
Literally hundreds of LTT fans hounded that kid who bought it. When you have an audience as large as LTT does you're going to get more than just a handful of crazies who take things too far.
or the people who hounded the employees of the previous owners of Lab 2 (?)
Exactly, that's a much more recent example.
And if you think about it, Linus scolded those people who did that on WAN show. Maybe one of them became annoyed.
possibly
There is this parasocial relationship that people who watch content have with the creators, people on twitch have this all the time. Stalkers, people doxing you etc
its different from being say, an actor, because you're right the content creators have a back and forth with the fans
actors also get wierdos though
true, but actors can insulate themselves as much as they want. if an actor wants to not appear publicly they can
There is that case at the moment with the guy who moved from I believe Estonia to America to go to the same town as Amaroth (spelling lol) because he believes he is in an actual relationship with her and that when she streams she's talking to him directly. There's crazies.
oh they emaille dAPRTNERS!
yeah he said they emailed other companies as well
emailed them about linus? or other people entirely
He made it sound like to inform them about Linus.
the same allegation, I assume
very strange
They're trying to slander him.
shit thats worse thatn i thought. i thought it was just employees
I can think of one person who left the company under pretty bad terms recently. That would be my guess.
I was thinking maybe a fan of that individual.
i hope he brings it up with his attorney
I can't think of any other than the one Christmas party example
did linus even know the accuser?
linus would need to know who the accuser is
i wonder if the accuser revealed accurate information about his own identity
i hope he sends AvE a screwdriver 😆
i mean having an email address is enough to sue right?
depending on how the email address was created, as to how difficult it would be to trace it
or at least get a judge to issue a subpoena against the email provider to reveal who the person is
Tracking down a burner email can be hard
in the case of Linus Sebastian vs THROWAWAY42069@yahoo.com
So many ways to send emails anonymously though, signup to a service that doesn't require any identifiable information and use a VPN, probably never catch you if you only ever used it once etc
right, but some people are stupid about how they create accounts
I just hope him going public with it doesn't embolden others to do this kind of thing.
there really is no way to know what the right way out is
Cause obviously what they want most of all is attention and some people might think oh I can get attention too.
i mean it probably will, but it also informs everyone that this is possible, like when linus nearly lost that wire transfer
so like overall more people are protected so the attack is less effective
yeah he was really lucky on that scammer
he also taught a masterclass in how to respond, and even laid out the alternatives he considered that may be better in different circumstances
I don't think it changes others being slandered by baseless accusations etc
well, it might teach people to take accusations with a pillar of salt
like I believe very few things said by or about most political figures
Probably should be doing that anyway, let courts deal with things like this etc, people are quick to judge.
Besides this, I thought the WAN show was good, I'm really excited about LTT Labs 🙂
It's really exciting but I have no idea how they can monetize it to the point it pays for running costs
Would it provide that much fodder for video?
When you look at Gamers Nexus and they go really in depth and seem to make enough money to keep it going (though they do fund a lot via merch). I guess it's kinda viable. Plus there has been sites like Jonny Guru that did Power Supplies only and made it work before he joined Corsair.
I don't think it'll be easy, but I could see them for instance having LTT certification and allowing their logo on product boxes. I used to work for a review site (this is 2003 lol) and we would license our logo and I even bought products like RAM that had our logo on the back as reviewed 5 stars, they paid us to put that on the packaging.
GN has a tiny team of people who all wear multiple hats. LMG Labs is a very different creature.
Monetizing their certs is a conflict of interest though, no?
Yes I completely agree with you. But they'll also likely put out a lot more content than GN.
Not necessarily, product makers often have their stuff certified technically and put those certification logos on the products already etc
I guess that's fair? Feels like it only applies to enormous standard-setting bodies, though
GN also operates in Middle of Nowhere, North Carolina instead of the third or fourth most overheated real estate market in the continent.
But also this is a case where the product maker wouldn't come to LTT and say, certify this. It would be that LTT has lab results confirming their claims and afterwards the product maker could come to LTT and say, can we put that you certified it on the box etc - Which is one avenue even Linus said they could pursue on a previous WAN show.
But essentially there is a lot of ways they could monetise and no one thing will make it break even. They need to produce written content, video content, they need probably more merchandise, maybe some cert stuff etc lots of things combined.
Also something you may not be aware of, the sites that review products make a lot of money from affiliate marketing. Which if they're going to test 100+ keyboards (like they said in their last Labs video) that is potentially a lot of people coming from google looking for in depth analysis that then click through to buy the product.
If you click on a Link to buy a $1,000 Samsung TV, I can get $200 of that money, really, that is how much Samsung is paying for a direct link to their own store (not amazon) for a reputable affiliate.
Anyone have a link to that marine chad rant by the overkill builds guy?
Why does the wan show post on Spotify every next Monday
The folks at LMG work on Monday and that’s when they upload it
Takes time it upload/process as well.
The people working WAN are usually some of the last in the building till Monday
At least as far as viewers are concerned
Did they forget to upload the podcast for the WAN show this week? Not seeing it in overcast or Spotify, not that I’d actually use Spotify for podcasts…
So here's what is going in that set up that everybody hates.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4dbPQ6
PC Builder - AMD Ryzen 9 5950X, GeForce RTX 3090, Corsair 5000D AIRFLOW ATX Mid Tower
Couldn't decide on the iCUE Commander Core XT or PRO for fan control. I wanted the PRO for more thermal monitoring, but the XT has an RGB and fan controller.
I was on vacation and it looks like the podcast got missed! I'll get it uploaded ASAP 🙂
Ah thanks 🙂
Woot!
lol damn my pc was setup almsot EXACTLY THE SAME just last gen
https://youtu.be/4xOEIpbxM4w
It looks like Linus needs to up his squarespace game
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I've wanted to review this thing for ages, which perhaps gave me too much time to think about what kind of a review it should be...
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My wan show beverage for this evening
Two of my favorite things about moving from east coast to PNW is 1) WAN show starts/ends at an appropriate time 2) I'm a small road trip from LTX
have you guys visited casepanelglassreviews.com ? Linux Mentioned it in the wan show and aparently someone got that domain
Someone in chat always snags whatever made up domain they say on the show
perfekt Picture.
I am now a Floatplane member!!! 🙂
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Is WAN show in the next hour? (Time zones are hard)
17:00 pt is 03:00 GMT +2
$10 that wan show will be late
Backpack drop during WAN show? 👀
idk i hope
highly doubt it
Is wan show usually at 5 PM PST or 6PM?
5pm my time
6pm for me
lol u live in cental ammerica
It have started on Twitch ^^
Join fast before it is to late.
Yeah, that helps in no way whatsoever 😄
It started .. on twitch. whatsoever 😄
Sounds like arc is a real shit show lol
Finally made it. Is this their first story?
Echo in Linus' audio?
No backpack today
Seems to be a bug with the software
Closed the stream, I'll watch it later lol
I think the echo happens when Linus speaks louder
Bruh what was the current merch question
He said that like 2 seconds after I typed the question
ha
pew the fan blade goes flying
When the GPU goes on the attack
attack mode engaged
Was there an LTT store promo today? Just tuning in now
I think it's that you spend $100 or more and you get a free tote bag
Maybe Linus needs a new GoXLR there
this is very interesting with how it comes and go
Thanks @sleek kayak!
sure thing
I am convinced someone is toggling it lmao
Every time he says echo it goes away like immediately
camping , or urband camping >.>
Well I hope they get their audio issue fixed for next week
the echoing sounds like a video in of itself at this point
the matrix is real
on the last wan show luke mentioned "plex time" or maybe "flex time" (sry idk how they spell it) he talked about it at 1:06:37 in the vod.
he didn't seem to go too deep explaining how it works. Does anyone know anything about it?
google has the answers to your questions https://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/psychosocial/flexible.html
Doesn't seem like the same thing
When they were talking about it it didn't sound like being able to move ur schedule around, it sounded like you could get like a week off if you need
it@graceful swan
Well, I'm sure if you get a job at LMG they will explain it to you. Until then it doesn't really matter does it?
It’s no secret! We just didn’t explain it well, haha. It’s a chunk of time off on top of vacation days that we can take whenever we want even with little-to-no notice. Can use if if you wake up feeling gross in the morning, or if you want to take a mental health day, or have a hot date, there’s no restrictions and you don’t need approval to take it, just have to let the team know the morning of!
That's amazing
There was an episode of the tv show Dilbert where they talk about flex time. Dogbert said that if you didn't make people come in at certain times, they wouldn't come in at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIrHweM9T-4
After Dilbert proposes the idea of flex-time, there is a mass exodus, causing the company to lose all their money.
#Dilbert #Dilbertcartoon #dilbertclips#Dilbertfullepisode
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Animated version of Scott Adams' ...
box fan cooled PC build when?
Did that in like 2003.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/its-alive-how-belief-ai-sentience-is-becoming-problem-2022-06-30/
Wasn’t this the plot of the movie “her”
Meh, not really. This is people convinced that definitely-not-sentient AI is indeed sentient. In Her, Samantha was most definitely sentient, but it also wasn't ever really addressed directly or central to the plot.
does anyone rmember, there was a sponsor on the WAN show for prescription VR lenses?
Yeah it was 2 or 3 shows ago. You could quickly check the descriptions to find it
I know framesdirect has ones for quest 2
That's because it's the one on the 1st of July. Reloptix was the sponsor.
Don't recall stamping any other VR-specific sponsor
you roooock, thanks
Fuck. Time flies
Not the sponsor, but I've been satisfied with my "vroptician" lenses for my index
yah, but if you think of him as an un-reliable story teller.. 🤷
But yah, your right.
So I was just watching that bit from the wan show where they were talking about the ARC GPUs and the possibility that they won't exist
it occurred to me just now
like three years ago or whatever when Intel was planning on the manufacture of these chips... they couldn't possibly have predicted the chip shortage... so right now, those manufacturers - aren't making another company's chip, because they're on hold not making GPUs. Imagine how much money Intel could have been making making someone elses chips, instead of this worthless GPU that isn't out yet
ARC is being manufactured by TSMC
ARC sounds like a complete mess
1st gen of anything often is
intel just outpacing the competition in messiness ig lol
as long as intel learns from its mistakes
Yeah I bought myself a set. I cant recall the sponsor though.
Relic helped me out
Wait do you do the WAN time stamps?
For a little while.
Not an employee, to avoid misinterpretation.
Truly legendary 👑
I wonder how many backpacks will sell during the wan show today
quite I few I believe.. once it gets shouted out wave 2 will disappear for sure 😅
think there is enough people that watch the wan show, and also want a bag, that haven't already ordered one?
Yes, about 5pm PDT (as in the channel description)
I might make it an early night so I can wake up and watch it live on Twitch (1am for me, not including the pre-show)
100% people are waiting to buy to send a merch message
lol I guess
they don't read out like 95% of them, so not even worth waiting imo
but I suppose there is some psychology behind seeing your name on the screen
Anyone know the wan show topics?
a good number do get replies from the producer though, so that still helps “sell” the feature.
I can't wait to watch Linus roast everyone in EU for crying about shipping costs
He has the opposite previously... But yeah they are pain
Also remember they had problems of the cost of shipping in bulk
Albeit that should be less per unit if still expensive
At the end of the day LTTStore is a content creator store, basically equivalent to a normal mom/pop shop.
shipping costs are going to be insane for anything overseas
honestly? their shipping is actually really good for a shop the size they are
it's 30 bucks for a normal person off the street to ship a small bubble mailer ;-;
Yeah, thinking most people haven't shipped anything, let alone international, lately.
They're also not shipping through the postal service. They go with the more reputable carriers that provide basic insurance and tracking.
@elfin cloud what did you use for weight, 5lbs?
subsidies probably pay a big role in this.
iirc there's some good subsidies in the EU for reasons of exports,
every carrier is different, though, that's for sure
What size did you use?
Read upwards
Oops
Yeah I hadn’t read the messages above yet 🤦♀️
Can’t wait to see the absolute flood of merch messages tn
Does anyone know when the wan show is going live tonight
5pm PDT unless it's late, which it will be
Ok
I wonder if the title/topic will be about the backpack or the controversy. They'll definitely cover both, curious which they'll focus on
I agree
But you can have a controversy even if one side did nothing wrong
They sold $2m worth of merchandise. They're going to talk about it.
Duh, I'm just wondering if they'll clickbait the backpack or the backlash of the backpack
probably lol
controversy = clicks
My thoughts
"explaining the backpack drama..."
HIiii guys 🙂
This is the first time I’ll be waiting for the wan show to start, sitting on the twitch page
why on twitch tho...
Because I don got moni
but like, they stream it on yt
Isn’t the pre show only to twitch and floatplane?
I caught my first preshow entirely by accident. Apple podcasts had started playing and I was about to switch to another podcast since I had already seen the video. But I didn’t recognize the intro
They removed it and uploaded a fixed version a few days after I listened to it
So I’m fairly certain they uploaded with the pre show audio by mistake lol
It was the one with the intel guys
Yea i usually start on Twitch for preshow then move to YT for the better background play once it starts
I always lurk twitch for preshow, then usually bail once show starts (sometimes I'll lurk for merch drops or discount codes), and watching the main show on youtube later.
Warning: Show will likely be VERY late
TY for the notice
Of all the nights I decided to stay up… fetching a Red Bull (or two)
fuck
whos Intel extreme upgrades happening
I'm not sure who's next, I know we have a couple lined up though! Some people have some CRAZY Stuff so filming will takea. bit
Just let Luke skip the line, hes been waiting long enough lmao
I just figured he linus was filming one and that's why it's gonna be late cause that's how it seems to go lol
He was doing work at his own house lol
new light switches 🤣
He’s what, fifteen minutes away from the office?
So date night with Jake then.
I mean, thats probably at least a 5k upgrade then so like not that far off. Just not necessarily intel
anything done to linus house that is 10k and under isnt a video 
the linus double extreme plus intel+amd upgrade
Probably filming the LTT Store Cable Management video
Wonder just how many merch messages there’ll be this week
so i planned to get my mate to watch he first wan show with me then we gonna binge watch the new sandman show
darn I just placed my order a little bit ago I'm so dumb
seem we will watching a few episode of sandman then wah show
Lol how very late we talking
if bell don't now when it is i'm betting over 2 hours
Have they ever been that late? Hour tops
No, they've been multiple hours late before
They’ve probably done it at least once
uhm like 2 hours
Idk i usually watch after its uploaded, but ive been trying to wake up early to catch it. We see how that turned out today
I hope luke at linus show and not just waiting around
Just run it without linus and let him walk in mid topic.
Live improv CSF for an hour
I’m sure Luke could promote Floatplane for a good half hour, wouldn’t be much fun for FP chat but hey
Let’s get a 5 hour WAN show as people hop in and out
But we know what the main topic is gonna be
hey bell so placed my order a little while ago right cause I wasn't thinking, is there a way i could still do a "merchant message"
Im down to just hear luke passionately talk about fp for awhile.
This just in, shipping isnt free, regardless of what Jeff says
I was thinking main topic would be discussing the release the excitement, maybe a little more in depth into the bag, and maybe they go cost per unit vs shipped and how much R&D they put into it
Bell, do I have time to watch a movie or something? Lol
Welllllllllllllllllllll
You can definitely watch a short film
lol damnit
Alright, thanks lol
Just drop a couple of Linus plushies on the table and go live on Twitch, no sound
we talking like, the last pc building guide you'll ever need short film or like, paperman short film
Are we talking a YouTube video or something like Out 1*
You must punish Linus for this.
Are we talking like one episode of Obi-Wan Kenobi or a six-episode binge
guys bell doesn't know he just knows it gonna be a while
Guys. We’re talking an all MCU+Shows binge
- Out 1 was a notoriously long and ponderous French film from the 70s. The "short" theatrical version was 4 hours long. The whole thing is almost 13 hours....
Can I skip Eternals?
we're talking a full binge of Rise of the Seven on Vought++
Eternals... Isn't great.
You’ll need something to fill the void while waiting for the wan show for another two and a half hours once you’ve finished
Just binge all other wan shows before this one
To pay us back for being late, let us buy the screwdriver next week
Pay me back by giving me a backpack.
Pay us back by letting us pay you
Or get into C1 and C2 of the critical role podcast or something. You’ve got time to finish it all
Maybe Onepiece
Watch all of Doctor Who.
Idk I can’t think of any other media to fill the void while you wait

Eats a head of cabbage
I joined the Discord (thought I was already in it) to see if the WAN show was late or if I was just dumb. I guess I might not be that dumb
You’ve got time
Yeah I usually don't watch it, but now I got time on fridays
Woo Bell and Luke live on Twitch
No Linus yet
They're just killing time waiting for Linus

I'm down for other LTT folks to fill while "the talent" gets their S*** together. Nice way to interact with the whole team.
I’ve never heard Bell talk this much before and I’m not at all mad
Linus looks different
He has a really nice voice ngl
must be the cap
Not enough facial hair
Why’s Bell wearing a SC hoodie on the WAN Show, so off-brand 
Dennis gave linus another hair cut
Linus be here
Aww bye Bell
They start streaming on YT when the show starts proper
twitch uses less resources than yt
This is pre-preshow.
I think it's because they want higher quality content on YT
YT algorithm appeasement is the main reason they dont stream preshow to YT
I'm the SC channel manager 😎
Here we go boys!
oh hey jake!
Twitch is also Twitch.

yo bell yt not live
So on-brand 
if people show up to the stream, see its preshow, and leave, thats not the magic formula
bc this is the pre-show
they're still doing preshow
the wan show hasn't officially started yet
Luke “apparently nothing happened this week” 
Oh no Linus doesn’t have the energy to be angry today
wtf they don't have a title yet
I'm sure he'll find the energy.
LOL
Did Linus stay up 24 hours? lol
bro looks sooo tired today
Love the thumbnail
yeah it's bizarre
#bringbellback
Its like he just woke up
I'm surprised backpack launch isn't top-of-mind for them in discussing topics

First time I’m seeing low-energy Linus
yeah same
Damn he’s tired
Ha Linus “what else happened this week? Anything controversial?”
My guess is he'll ramp up once it's show time
or fall asleep
Wonder whether WhaleLAN content will be FP-exclusive or a Channel Super Fun video or two
Please tell me someone screenshot that.
Ha “the people who watch the pre-show know we have nothing [to talk about] so I’m going to lie shamelessly and say we have a great show”

we're wasting topics
LTT Gamer Catheter 
They haven't even actually started the show yet
who needs rails
I doubt they'd ever talk about this kind of stuff on live show.
“We don’t need rails where we’re going”
With many less details. This is just chillin.
I didn't know what the QR code was in the Floatplane chat... Of course it's LTT store
Linus' LinkedIn is super out of date hahaha
"house painter and part time CEO"
Imagine prepping for a live show by browsing the InfoWars store
"... multiple channels that now total two million subscribers..."
From Linus' LinkedIn
We live
aye its time
“Time to change from run-down, tired Linus to …”
information amazon will have about people:
maps of homes (astro/irobot/roomba)
medical records (onemedical)
home network activity (eero)
voice samples (alexa)
video of homes (ring/blink home/astro)
grocery habits (whole foods)
vehicle movement (echo auto)
+more i can’t fit here
713
363
I’m ignoring Twitch chat to focus on the constant [stream of] merch messages on-screen [it’s after 2am here Linus ain’t the only tired boi]
Constant?
More like never ending.
Oh boy LTTMart, who’s already registered those domain names
Arc is more than a bit of a disaster it seems
Ooh tech pouch reveal
I already have a roll-up tech organiser so I’ll likely pass on this
As long as it's under $50 I'd get it. The backpack is just a bit much for me and I already have enough backpacks.
showing what
Ooh Nick’s gonna be maaad
That's a good question, most hubs are utter garbage
I have a Satechi USB-C hub that sits under my Mac mini and corrupts every single USB-C flash drive I plug into the front of it
What's the break-even point on backpack sales?
Oh we can still apply for Floatplane?
Bell might want to be ready to pause the show at any moment if Linus starts to leak TOO much.
I am here for tired mob-happy Linus
hi lunus my friends hard drive has died and he canot afford data recovery what do you recommend
Linus doesn’t read this chat during the show (or perhaps ever), best hop on to Twitch or buy something on LTTStore and send a Merch Message
Love that Bell’s handing out product advice
I find it amusing that labs was born right around the time Steve got his PSU testing rig and sound chamber.
Steve 
GamersNexus
Ah know the channel name not the personality
That kind of thing doesn't just happen though. The amount of planning/time/effort let alone money to set that all up though is a LOT.
Yeah, wouldn’t be a spur-of-the-moment thing
Same thing like when game studio buyouts were happening earlier this year. Something of that scale is even more work and obviously money.
I took advantage of the WAN Hoodie promo but the $20 saving is obliterated by the dual shipping costs sadface
VLC with MakeMKV is great.
Ventoy!
I ordered a stealth hoodie with my backpack I contacted customer support to add a wan hoodie to my order
I'm guessing they didn't get to it fast enough
And my stealth hoodie shipped today
🥲
I’m waiting to hear back from support about whether they can change my shipping address to Canada before the WAN Hoodie ships, I guess the clock’s ticking and my email isn’t automatically connected to the order and flagged for processing
I was expecting more back back sales during wan
They've sold over 17000 of them already
In terms of break-even on backpack my guess is they’d have to sell two waves or 20k
Given usual margins, they're probably getting close to breakeven
Wave 1 is sold out and wave 2 is mostly sold.
I suspect that the first two waves will sell through by the end of the weekend. The next two waves will take longer. They likely over ordered, though.
Yeah I think Linus should have stuck with the original plan of 30,000
Honestly, I suspect that 25000 or 30000 is going to utterly saturate the market for $250 backpacks for a while.
Update: got the shipping notification for the hoodie, R.I.P.
I don’t think they over ordered. A steady trickle of purchases will likely be consistent over the next few weeks. many that want cant afford right now, I’d say
Ha late to the bleep
I don’t need my bag till almost the holidays, so I’m waiting till the last wave to order.
bro had his finger on the swear button for like 2 mins and hit it too late lmao
too slow linus
Oh I definitely heard that one
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Oh hey I'm back. How much have I missed? I left when they were talking about the backpack in the beginning
We’re I think an hour and a half in, past half hour at least has been merch messages
Typically in Infinite with CTF where it goes nearly no flags it's because I'm in a game where they're just 100% going for kills and not at all the flag(s).
damn that's a long session for messages
Yeah i saw that on reddit mosly
EU distributor is still likely paying import duty on a bulk shipment from Canada
that new BTB map is horrible for that
a good number of the CTF games ive played on it have tied 
its too easy to just camp flag spawn on it
oh damn they're ending 😦
sure seems like linus is mad now so I guess he found the energy?
Exactly what I was saying.
oh wow! i just noticed that
I’ve never heard Linus that loud that he gates the mic 
Will you ever release a ratcheting screwdriver with a built in light? Craftsman used to make one but discontinued it a few years back. I work on arcade games and would love this product.
Thatd be sick. Doesnt seem like itd be too hard would it? Potentially screwdriver v2
In the base they just have 3 AAA batteries it wouldn’t change the size at all
And the lights sit next to the shaft pointing toward the screw your working
I’m sure someone makes a kind of ring light attachment for existing screwdrivers that would fit
I can’t find anything like that I’ve been looking for a couple years. I found an old craftsman one on eBay and paid 3x the retail price
Are there any screwdrivers at all in the public yet? Could you maybe put a battery in the center piece that holds the 2 parts of the shaft together? Sell it with a 2 pack of rechargeables, maybe go as far as partnering with some company to get ltt wraps on em
The base/grip of the screwdriver has the bits inside it on the LTT driver
So I don't think itd just be drop in
Single AA could be decent with LEDs nowadays
Well the concept is instead of bits in the base it’s a battery
ye
at that point i guess theyd have to give you those external
It’s been done by craftsman it’s not that complicated.
VTuber Linus/Techquickie? when?
Ok he looks alot younger
ye
Rhett and Link are 44.
Wow
Right?
I remember GMM being pretty big when I was in high school.
Adam Savage is great.
Huh, CaptainSparklez is actually younger then i thought. Was tryina think of people that have been on the platform awhile
Adam savage is pog
Regularly fall asleep to old mythbusters
How do I get into the floatplane chat lol
ElectroBOOM is 45.
I want this screwdriver bad lol
This Old Tony?
Floatplane is a paid subscription
Floatplane chat is on Floatplane.com when they're live.
Can even pop out chat.
Lot of people mentioning JayzTwoCents, he's 41.
I subscribed but it was too late for questions
I honestly thought Jay was older, but that must have been because hes been trying to lose weight.
ITs scary to think of Linus as aging out of his target demographic in a way, we're both millennials around the same age.
Love Long wanshows
yeah
Louiss Rossmann is only 33.
Does linus anser merch messenges or floatplane preferentially? been meaing to ask about his thoughts about going back to college.
Louis looks a lot older
I was shocked to find out that Quinn from Snazzy labs was still his is 20s a year or so ago
Right?
He looks like the same age as linus at least.
sounds like you've got a bad case of the olds
Linus didnt start looking oldish/dadish till the covid beard.
Couls start seeing the eye wrinkles around 4 years ago though.
Cause obviously some people like MKBHD and Mr. Beast are way younger, but iJustine is 38.
There was an article a few months ago about Justin Bieber appealing to 'young people'
isnt he basically 'the last of the millennials'
Gen Z is in their early-mid 20s now.
Jeez I’m old
havent heard anything about him since like the early 2010s 
Linus has been hinting on wan shows for a while about his eventually bowing out.
My mind is stuck in 2012-2016
Linus also became a dad pretty young for his generation.. think he had his first kid at 22-23?
Whenever that happens he'll probably start taking a more backstage role, and let the other hosts take over videos
Yeah im already expecting it to be only one per a week in a few months to two years.
hopefully he'll keep doing WAN show at least
Something about talking to Yvonne about "when is enough enough and we can slow down" and "not missing his kids growing up"
Im sure hes going to do his ltt hot takes one per a week and doing backstage/deals.
literally
just noticed that ltt banenr starting showing tiktok tags.
if linus retires i guess itll just be "Tech Tips" 
True
If I buy a backpack next week, will it be more likely to get an Linus response to it during wan show through a merch message, or a floatplane chat?
Or [insert name here] tech tips
Idk I only just started watching the wan show
LMG Tech Tips.
Did you watch the wan show that ended a few minutes ago
watching it right now. just caught the last 15 minutes and rewatching it from the beginning.
Giving my eyes a rest after doing some VR
What headset do you use
Quest 2.
Just took like 2.1 GB of Vr footage, and screwed up with aspect ratio and audio input
Still some cool scenes, trying to figure out the best transcode settings to bring it down
I'm new to vr and want to know if there is a cheaper way to get a quest 2, it's 680 dollars here in Australia 🇦🇺
it's cool finally hearing Linux talk about Ventoy
I wasn't tuned in for that part
lol, it's kinda niche
When did you tune in
they just raised the price on Q2s too
is that the 256 model? i got the 64 gb
probably should have gotten the 256 gb but I only needed it for PCVR
In Australia there is only the 128gb and 256gb models
that reminds me. I should replay play RE4 VR
Supposedly its the killer app for the platform and I havent tried it.
Linus already closer to 40 than 30 😦
I'm wondering if Linus is looking to do a video on the Linksys WRT54GL wifi router, cuz I've got one 🙂
and it's still functional. Not using it anymore cuz I replaced it with a Linksys Nighthawk wifi router that I also run Linux on.
Hey Linus, don't be so sure it's cuz of genetics or plastic surgery on why the actors from the first top gun movie looked so good in the new Top Gun movie, especially Tom Cruise. This is an article about it from 2014. It's basically photoshop for video that has been around since 2004 or so, but way more advanced. https://mashable.com/archive/hollywood-secret-beauty-procedure
"The clues are there. If you sit through the credits and see Lola, Method or Hydraulx in the long list of VFX companies, the movie was retouched." And in the credits for Top Gun Maverick: "digital artist: Lola VFX".
Speaking of dragging. Tom Hiddlestons hairline in the 7-10 year gap between Avengers and Loki
Moment of appreciation for Bell who filled in for Linus on the first part of the pre-show last night, would love if the pre-show started at the same time every week if only so we got more of Bell & Luke
Does anyone know when the most recent episode is uploaded to spotify
Monday
lmg should rename to whonnock enterprises lmtd
amazon workers in the uk are going on strike by the looks of it
would the lab be new whonnock enterprises ltd?
Hehe
and they'll probably need a new vault for all the backpack money
wow great article, interesting quote “We have taken actresses’ faces and put them on more muscular bodies … that happens all the time.
yep, I'm constantly reminding friends when they say some actress or singer looks so good for their age. This is why! It puts unrealistic expectations on beauty.
There was a certain character from the 80s with the name of mr herman, can't say his first name because it's censored, where they were able to make a new movie on the character, but made him look young again. Without it, he would have had to get a facelift.
@restive bronze if you can pass this article onto Linus, it be appreciated.
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(look at the merch message)
Surprised he would get a bag in wave 2
More than likely went for wave 2 just for the merch message, guy’s not exactly in a hurry with all the other tech+accessories he gets in
I think if he waited till LTT has an active stock of these he could ask for one and get it
Maybe with the purpose of making a video of it
He tends to buy the stuff he reviews for the most part
He’ll sometimes do brand partnerships, and certainly some of the stuff he gets sent is promotional stuff
I would love to see Luke Smith on the WAN Show, specially given the disaster Ubuntu was in yesterday's video.
I love the WAN show. but it sure would be nice if I could listen too it on spotify before the episode becomes outdated
I saw that! I was listening to the wan show and randomly turned on my phone right as that popped up.
Yeah this is an issue i've tried to bring up a numerous occasions. Podcast / Audio releases should be same night, not the next week. They don't even edit the audio version what so ever so it shouldn't be that difficult. However, the answer I was given is that the staff takes weekends off therefore it'll wait till Monday.
Another major issue is the audio levels / volume. Its about -10db lower than every other professional podcast around. Makes episode switching a nightmare when the next show is explosive to one's ears.
I'm gonna take a wild guess that they don't have enough Spotify/Audio listeners to justify putting any more effort into it than they currently are
its the thing Linus does not want to keep people working past the WAN show finish time or over the weekend, so they just upload on Mondays when back in the office.
remember when the wan show ended at 10pm? That's why. It's easy to say it won't take long when you're not the one having to do it.
I usually watch first half(after release) and then stop.Too long
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Spicy GN video on warranties and LTT. Think it'll make the show?
Maybe not the GN video, but I'd be surprised if there was nothing about the whole warranty shebackle
This kind answers that question
ROFL
Really hope that isn't the official response xD
Warranties coming Soon (TM) probably.
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Show's gonna be late today!
Go get a snack late or watch a movie late?
Gotta finish writing up that warranty 😛
probably half hour from now
its always late... fyi
Appreciate the heads up
Ok thanks!
Seems like a reasonable time to squeeze in watching the GN coverage of the warranty business.
Honestly, this is almost "there's the reroll" level cockyness. Not a great look for Linus tbh.
I don't think he cares tbh
thing is though, look at how they support the water bottle and other products, they have built a good track record so far. so yea it might be a little cocky but there is history to back up that statement.
I don't doubt the guys at LTT would sort out any issues someone might have, but there's a reason why the EU for example has a 2 year minimum warranty on consumer goods
This
I think part of the issue is their internal policy is essentially 'replace or refund any issues anyone has, basically for lifetime', which is extremely ripe for abuse if made into formal public policy.
Either way, unless my backpack turned up as scrap material if it breaks down the line I'll just get the sewing kit out. Sorted.
yea Aus have 'Statutory warranty' for everything sold here too.
I thought that Canada did, but it looks like they don't
US, of course, has nothing.
It's more the principal considering the pro-consumer stance, if the shoe were on the other foot you know Linus would be raging about it on the WAN show haha. But anyway, as far as I understand Linus has said there will be some kind of formal warranty, he just didn't handle it as good as he could have. Trying to much to be a meme lord
This entire situation could have been totally avoided if they had put just a very basic 90-day manufacturers defect warranty on it, then continued to handle customer issues that way regardless of the actual 90-day policy.
This
I fully believe they'd do the right thing, and I intend to buy a backpack, warranty or no, I just think Linus kinda shot himself in the foot with the way he handled it.
Honestly, he shot himself in the foot by ordering 40000 backpacks.
Yeah, they've since commited to making a basic written one, that they don't mind saying is pointless because they're gonna keep doing what they're doing. But it'll happen.
Nah, they'll sell easy enough
FYI .... there is 69 Backpacks left in Wave 2 😉
First 1.5 waves sold out immediately. Wave 2 still isn't fully sold through.
Petition for more Bell on the pre-show
He might sell through wave 3, but wave 4 is not going to be touched by the time it arrives. He'll need a new warehouse.
selling ~20k backpacks in a week is still quite solid, the other 20k can sell at like 10% of that rate* and they'll still be fine. (*number pulled from nowhere since I don't feel like doing the math. but they'll likely sell prior to the time they show up in their werehouse)
Well it'll arrive around holidays, it seems like a good holiday present
The markup / profit is pretty good too right?
Damn I could've waited for my beer to chill more
I'd be interested to know what wave is the "break even" point.
Realistically the first 17000 sold within hours, the next 3000 have been selling slowly.
I wonder how spicy it's gon be tonight's show
longer ship times for wave 3, would slow sales. likely pick up closer to shipping time.
Which isnt that suprising, people wanted to get into the first couple waves because the other two are very very far from today
I anticipate another bump in sales when they do finish making their warranty and it's officially a thing, for the masses who are very keen on having a warranty.
I'm predicting a salty Linus.
At the price point they'll probably easily make $3-4mil on the 40k backpacks
(pre-tax)
They've had an almost week to prepare their answers, they're smart, let's see what they've got
GN video came out today, didn't it?
Question is will it be first topic or no?
Easily if you only think about price for manufacturing (and not thinking about the paytime for the employees etc.)
Yes
Oh, selling 20000 backpacks has probably eased their cash crunch.
I'm just joking around. I'm sure Linus will be his usually jovial self.
The GN video reaction might push it to first topic
Might as well be the first topic. Just talk about it and get it over with
I dunno. Maybe he was planning to launch screwdriver tonight.
He's natural I'll give him that; inspired me multiple times
Will it come with a warranty? 😛
Honestly, it probably needs one even more than the backpack.
linus is a hypocrite
He'll probably get kinda worked up a bit about the pointlessness of warrantys (companies can come up with bs excuses that your issue was actually misuse or normal wear and tear, or outright fold, etc.), but he'll also commit to the written warranty which should hopefully appease people, and then try to move on.
He's complained about other companies not having them, though.
will the masses actually be appeased? this I have a harder time predicting
Careful with that edge, you might cut yourself.
At this point, I don't think he can say anything to satisfy them.
I know he's probably going to double down, especially with the shirt that just came out, but kinda wish he'd just sit this one out, and let someone else try to put the fires out
Exactly.
It's a backpack. Lots of people don't even expect a warranty. Getting it right for screwdriver is probably even more important.
Anyone have a eta on the show going live?
Soon, probably, they changed the twitch title
~30 minutes ago it was predicted to be ~30 minutes late. So preshow soon(tm)
I honestly wasn't expecting this much of a backlash, it's almost like people are adding fuel to the fire more than it's necessary
Lots of people do expect a warranty, but not necessarily a good one
Targus has a limited lifetime warranty
people love controversy
I always expect a warranty but I'm also live in Europe with legal minimum of 2 years.
Swiss gear has a 3 year limited warranty on backpacks
Warranties in the EU are great, and even those feckers at Amazon have to abide it
feels like some people do it on purpose though; where ever they catch him off-guard



