networking

[static moat]

i know c# and java

[peak cloak]

I guess you could do it in their languages but it's really just a script that's needed, go and python are perfect for thisb

[static moat]

wait you can install windows 10 on rasberry pi 4

[thick minnow]

yeah but there's like no windows arm software

[static moat]

haha see! i found this. another website which confirms my obsession with ARP

here is the website for reference

https://www.mysysadmintips.com/windows/clients/84

Exactly what i am doing lol

getting a new router

[peak cloak]

Like I said, this solution is hacky

Port forwarding to broadcast

Not to mention security wise

[clear igloo]

Why not just VPN back and trigger it that way?

[peak cloak]

Has to be "user friendly"

Its apparently so friends/users can turn on mc server

[waxen scroll]

servers are meant to be on 24/7

[peak cloak]

that's what I said

[clear igloo]

You can get a dedicated MC server for like $5 or $10 a month depending on the number of people and mods but instead of going that route it's easier to buy a new router?

[static moat]

Not easier. Its an experience. I like having the control and physically having the server. I even spent hours, days even coding a bot in C# to be able to manage save files/backups for the server. I dont want to just rely on others. Plus its 5/10$ per month. This is like 25$ for a permanent fix

[peak cloak]

25 bucks for a router, yeah no

[clear igloo]

For a router that does what you need? nope, lol

[static moat]

Ive found the exact model i want i amazon

[peak cloak]

Also you can get a free vps fyi from Oracle

[peak cloak]

What?

[peak cloak]

You can still manage everything

[rocky badge]

💀 $25 router

[carmine moss]

just run it of hetzner or another cloud provider...

has more bandwith even and more secure

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo https://www.reddit.com/r/cablegore/comments/vt607j/its_a_start/

the crt 😂

[thick minnow]

bruh if you going to leave it on 24/7 please just use the free oracle vps

your friends will thank you

[waxen scroll]

@rocky badge https://linustechtips.com/topic/1436910-understanding-vlans/?do=findComment&comment=15438543

[clear igloo]

VLAN = Very Likey A scam maN

[rocky badge]

lol

[waxen scroll]

Using a VLAN to segregate types of network traffic went out in 1998 along with NetBEUI.

My work network uses 1000s of vlans. Guess I need to move to flat

[clear igloo]

One subnet for all

[rocky badge]

just be LMG, go /16

[waxen scroll]

Should I tell him about VRFs?

[clear igloo]

Tell him about VxLAN EVPN 😄

[waxen scroll]

VRFs are still a complex topic for most network admins

[clear igloo]

It's like a firewall for your traffic until it leaks out

[waxen scroll]

@rocky badge I have a switch chassis which runs many virtual switches inside it. Inside those virtual switches I have many VRFs. Inside those VRFs I have many vlans.

[rocky badge]

lol

[waxen scroll]

Does your head hurt? It should.

[rocky badge]

i wanna go vdoms on my fortigate

[waxen scroll]

last fortigate I did had like 5 vdoms

I have ACI-gret

Should have just done traditional R/S

@clear igloo we are spending all this effort to migrate and I worry what happens 3 years from now when they announce EOL of the whole product

[clear igloo]

good question, or when the Nexus 11K or whatever comes out 😄

[peak cloak]

What are they exactly? From the little reading I did on them they are kinda like virtual routers??

With different tables?

But then whats the point between that and just using multiple tables

[waxen scroll]

its not actually a virtual router. its many tables and you assign interfaces/vlans to each table. their traffic can only go where its table knows unless you leak them some how

Common config:
[VRF production-servers] <-physical wire-> Firewall <-physical wire-> [VRF dev-servers]

both VRFs being on the same physical router or L3 switch

if you have one global table then they can jump to other vlans with no firewall inspection

Gosh. So 1998

[peak cloak]

Not common anymore?

[clear igloo]

VRFs are extremely common these days

A lot of places use at least two, the default one and then a management one
Of course that depends on where you're placing the device since if it's a remote branch generally not but it can be done

[dry bronze]

It doesn't make NIC cards work better.
imagine putting a dumb device with a cheap nic on a vlan with broadcast traffic from hundreds/thousands of devices

[static moat]

Ordered the router. Once it comes ill flash DD-WRT to replace the OEM firmware, and hopefully be able to get the WoL to work over internet. Im one if the most persistant people you meet. I aint stopping till i get what i want lol. Wish me luck people

[peak cloak]

Textbook XY problem

[hollow marlin]

Or in the SP space it can be common to see 100s per router

[pale ridge]

Vrf are a ways to have overlapping addressing space and the same infra and or route segregation

So if you worked at a company and merged with another you could use vrf to absorb the others routing as an example.

Or you can use vrf to silo off traffic based on security.

Just some poor high level examples.

[static moat]

whats bad about this one?https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003WK62OS/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=tplinkfb-21&camp=1634&creative=6738&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B003WK62OS&linkId=9b8c550757ce098c4587288e782de350&th=1
and sorry its $30

apart from it being single band

[sudden kayak]

it's also fast ethernet (i.e. only 100Mbps) and extremely ancient

[static moat]

my home network is only 55 download and 5 upload

plus, if wifi is a problem

i can connect the second router to the network, the one i currently have that has 5G

and just output a wifi signal from that

[sudden kayak]

400Mhz MIPS and 4MB flash probably isn't even gonna be able to run dd-wrt unfortunately

[static moat]

you think i ordered it without research?

[sudden kayak]

probably not too late to cancel that order

[static moat]

i specifically found the table ON THEIR WEBSITE

that lists all compatible devices

picked the cheapest ones from there

i wouldnt just order a random $30 router lol

i have 2 at home already

i made sure those werent supported

[static moat]

only then i considered orderingand just so you know, most of the supported devices have 4MB flash

some even have 2

This bad boy only has 2MB

(6th collumn)

[sudden kayak]

there are also warnings saying that anything with 4MB flash will only be able to run kernel 2.6 and won't have room to turn on any advanced features

[static moat]

can you find that exact warning please and link it?

if it doesnt do what i want i have 30 days to return it

[sudden kayak]

also dd-wrt is barely maintained

openwrt (more modern version) says this:

[static moat]

everything for the minecraft server my guy

also Openwrt ive never heard of. is it like DD-WRT but just different firmware?

if its different firmware, then different firmware will have different requirements

but thanks for your help

out of everyone so far you have been the best Mr Andrew

also i have no idea which one it will be

but which of these features is being able to set static ARP entries?

[sudden kayak]

that I'm not sure about - it may be buried somewhere in those menus or it may not be exposed in the web UI at all

you might have to do that by SSHing in and configuring it directly

[peak cloak]

ik vyos can do it...

and edgeos

routeros (mikrotik)

[static moat]

nah these are just the features list

the 2.4 and 2.6 Andrew was talking about

and im just trying to compare their features

but from how its worded

it sound like 'Extra packages' doesnt includde stuff like static ARP entries since that is supposed to be part of the package, and NOTHING is said about these versions on the WoL guide on the DD-WRT page.

these guys are extremely detailed

if they had a guide on how to do something and one kernal version supposted it but the other did it

im 99.9% sure they would say that on the instuctions page on how to set up the WoL over internet

Heck, they even have warning on specific routers lol

these people really dont want you to brick your router. i guess it must be extremely easy to do

i remember not too long ago i flashed bios in windows 10

that was go to product page, download a file and run it

flashing firware to the router:

literally has a link to a 10,000+ word article on what you should read before isntalling

[peak cloak]

that's much easier

[static moat]

ikr lol

[peak cloak]

there are very little differences

manufactures make it for windows, routers are all over the place

[static moat]

in what?

[static moat]

true

[peak cloak]

between motherboards generally

iirc most bioses are from 1 of 2 brands

[static moat]

ah ok

well you can still brick your widnwos 10 device

i was worried because mine got stuck on loading screen

i restarted it manually however and it was fine

[sudden kayak]

well also, motherboard bios are meant to be updated (and it's often necessary for important bug fixes)

flashing third party firmware on a router is not supported or encouraged by the manufacturer, no matter how silly that restriction actually is

it's illegal for them to void your warranty for doing that in the US and I believe in the UK too... but they still try to say they will

[peak cloak]

^

[waxen scroll]

@clear igloo I have done vrf at field sites. Very rare though

[peak cloak]

198.54.100.54

[drifting garden]

hello guys!
I'm looking to upgrade my network, this is a rough scheme i drew up of what it looks like. ideally a new router with a good wifi range and that would be able to handle all those clients.
the setup right now is mostly fine, but if something critical like streaming is happening for several hours, lots of interruptions occur.
my networking knowledge is minimal, i can login into a router and set it up minimally, and have some rough understanding of general things.
the connection is ~100mb/sec
i'm not sure but i think the network knocks off some devices due to ip issuing problems (dont know the technically connect term).
budget around ~$150 or less if possible
thanks in advance for any replies, and as always wisdom always appreciated

router 1 does 2.5 and 5 ghz

[sudden kayak]

depending on how old the two worse tp link routers are, you're probably better off not using them at all because they'll just clog the wifi channels & bottleneck the things behind them

even if you set them up correctly without NAT

[drifting garden]

everything past the switch doesn't matter the speed or quality

i just want the stuff on the first 2 routers not to cut

is there any reliable way to check what could be the source of the problem

some software to run for a bit or something

[peak cloak]

yes, wireshark

but it's a troubleshooting software, it just shows all packets

requires some knowledge to know whats going on

it's basically kinda like a microscope

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo fs has 800g transceivers now

https://www.fs.com/c/800g-osfp-qsfp-dd-4089?c_site=community&c_ctype=news&c_from=wordlink&c_cat=BMCS220001-Monthly_News&c_rel=29524

[gleaming cave]

June 28, 2022—KB5014666 (OS Builds 19042.1806, 19043.1806, and 19044.1806) Preview
https://support.microsoft.com/en-au/topic/june-28-2022-kb5014666-os-builds-19042-1806-19043-1806-and-19044-1806-preview-4bd911df-f290-4753-bdec-a83bc8709eb6
Addresses a known issue that might prevent you from using the Wi-Fi hotspot feature.
19044.1766 is also my current W10 build, but according to the preview update above 19044.1806 we should see a fix.

I'm hesitant to do optional/preview updates myself, hopefully it'll come over soon.

Good luck!

[clear igloo]

Yup, just waiting for switches 😄

[jaunty talon]

Haha :D

I am waiting for my QFX5130 switches from juniper to do some 400G implementations :)

And MX304's :)

[graceful obsidian]

@shadow bluff I'm forwarding the convo here. Again, I forgot about the existance of this channel lol 😅
#tech-support message

[shadow bluff]

yeah its all kewl

[graceful obsidian]

Ok so, theorically I wouldn't need the sharing files part

But just the IP part, and that's kinda what I did

I'll try to reconfigure from scratch then

[shadow bluff]

yeap technically you dont
the idea was you wanting to ping another pc that acts like an independant host

in a lan system this is all kewl

[graceful obsidian]

Yep

IPv6 enabled should not interefere, even tho I don't need it so I could disable it

Ok I checked again the configs, same subnet masks and one ip ends with .1 and the other with .2

I try to ping again and no response, noice

Wait now one of the two machines has 0.0.0.0 as gateway from ipconfig 🤔

[peak cloak]

What are you trying to do

[graceful obsidian]

I just want them to ping so I can later know where to send the magic packet to for wake on lan

But before testing that I have to ensure they can at least find each other

So the setup would be both of them having internet connectivity through wifi and being connected via lan, nothing fancy, if only it worked lol

[waxen scroll]

thats a 5 years from now discussion for my company

we're just moving to 100g stuff and dont really need that fullcapacity anyway

[broken hearth]

I work at a company where they work for a client, we access the client system through Amazon Work Spaces. The thing is, when I connect my 4G mobile phone internet (max 15 Mbps) to my office laptop and work, AWS is faster (no stuttering, no delay, etc) but when I connect my 100 Mbps home broadband (WiFi) to my office laptop, AWS has stuttering issues, all the folders and files I open appears after horizontal rendering. The speedtest shows the connection is 90+ Mbps with ping under 5ms. What could be the issue? (I tried restarting router, my office laptop, etc)

[sudden kayak]

I'm not actually involved with network operations but apparently our backbone is all 400GbE already 😎

i don't know about the rest of the network but the DC nearest to me just got upgraded to an MX2020 lol

i can't take credit for any of this but it sure is impressive

[clear igloo]

Just got two Nexus 9808s into the lab for some 400g myself 🙂

which are literally 8808s rebranded with NXOS instead of IOS-XR

[thick minnow]

so im in australia which usually gets 200 - 250 ping on american hosted servers

is there anyway i can reduce that ping by using a vpn?

it’s really annoying for pvp on minecraft

[peak cloak]

not really. VPN only may help when ISP has really bad peering

[shadow bluff]

nah, u probably need to upgrade to a faster bandwitdh from your isp provided they have such package

[thick minnow]

i have a good plan but australia just naturally has bad wifi and connection compared to servers hosted in europe and mc

[shadow bluff]

fiber i suppose ?

[thick minnow]

fiber?

[shadow bluff]

are u on fiber internet ?

[peak cloak]

prob won't help

[shadow bluff]

share with us your current plan might be helpful too

[thick minnow]

well i’m not that experienced with networking but i have a TP link router

i’ll do a speed test rn

[shadow bluff]

depending on isp server itself, from cisco point of view it should help. actual higher bandwitdh in many ways increases access time to servers
but thats personal experience instead of knowing what his isp is actually capable of

[peak cloak]

higher bandwidth != lower latency

[thick minnow]

it’s horrible but it’s my connection to a nearby server

but the problem is i need better ping on american and europe hosted servers

[peak cloak]

theoretical fastest latency between the eastern coast of aus and western coast of US is 60 milliseconds, straight. Not to mention you irl the cables aren't straight. Where are you located in AUS, and where is the server in the US. You have network devices in between which increase latency. Not to mention the last mile run, which from the looks of it is already bad, seeing as you get 107 ping to fastest server

[sudden kayak]

latency and bandwidth are unrelated

[peak cloak]

so already looking at 170 ms MINIMUM

[thick minnow]

hmm 107 ping is unusual for now

i did a speed test yesterday and got 14ms

[sudden kayak]

the problem is just physical distance and like presentmonkey said, you can't get below 60ms anyway unless you break the laws of physics

[thick minnow]

well guess i have to move countries

[sudden kayak]

speed tests almost go to the closest server which is located in Australia

[peak cloak]

or change server

[thick minnow]

there aren’t many au servers

[sudden kayak]

it's definitely possible that a VPN could reduce your latency if you're lucky, because bad peering can make it worse

[thick minnow]

but i guess it’s physically impossible

[sudden kayak]

but a VPN still can't get you below the theoretical best which is still not great for gaming sadly

[thick minnow]

anything below 200 ping is fine

[sudden kayak]

honestly yeah the real answer is that game companies need to get their shit together and have servers in places other than US and EU

[thick minnow]

true

[peak cloak]

well there is asia

[sudden kayak]

but you can try a (reputable) vpn company, ideally wireguard based (mullvad is one iirc) and try out different exit nodes - some might improve your latency just by having better peering

[thick minnow]

tbh i’ve been thinking of setting up my own server

[sudden kayak]

if it's a game where you can host your own dedicated server, definitely do that

[thick minnow]

ik how to do everything it’s just port forwarding kills my

energy

it’s confusing port forwarding

[peak cloak]

first you need to know if you even have a public IP

[thick minnow]

i do

[thick minnow]

it’s here

AAPT

[peak cloak]

no, it may not

you sure?
in your router look in WAN status or internet status, it depends on router and what are the first 2 octets of WAN IP

[thick minnow]

what

[peak cloak]

google or speedtest will give you the IP traffic is coming from, but you may yourself not have a public IP to yourself

[peak cloak]

ex:

thats mine

[thick minnow]

oh no

i just remembered

so basically for some reason my wifi routers panel i can’t access it because the password and username have been changed when it says in the router that they are both admin. i am unable to reset my router because I have a large family

[peak cloak]

there are these services like ngrok that allow you to expose ports

or if playing with friends you can use something like zerotier or tailscale to basically connection together within a vpn kinda

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo AT&T wireless is good /s

[clear igloo]

[rocky badge]

Look at that solid 1mbps down

[clear igloo]

woot!

That's a lot of floppy disks you could copy

[warm bridge]

you leaked ur ip btw

[twilit sequoia]

Hey

[forest lintel]

How do I switch my openvpn docker to use udp instead of tcp?

[rocky badge]

Don’t care it’s cgnat

[ebon sierra]

Is it theoretically possible to connect 2 PC's using cat5 and have them connect to a server (say minecraft server for example) that is hosted on one of them

As in, I have one computer running a server and connecting another computer to the first one with an ethernet, and it be able to join the server on the first one

[peak cloak]

yes

just have to manually set the IPs, since there is no DHCP server

and the ips just have to be on the same subnet

you may not need to either because of auto ipv4 link local

[ebon sierra]

Well, I dont know what half of that meant besides yes

My apartment in the fall doesnt allow port forwarding, so Id have to do some funky stuff to connect 4 PC's over 3 floors (probably a bunch of cat 5 and a couple switches)

I also saw online that all you need to do is connect then you can join a world hosted to lan (minecraft) which is technically should be the same as leaving the ip blank in server.properties.txt for a normal minecraft server

and lucky for me I know a best buy employee so I can get cat 5 for dirt cheap, switches will definetly be more

[peak cloak]

all server ip does is tell mc what interface to listen on, when you have multiple ips / NICs

[peak cloak]

so it'll all be connected to a router then?

then the PC will get an IP automatically

[forest lintel]

Ok I’m running unraid. I just set up openvpn and I’m routing my sabnzbd container through it. It’s working but download speeds are abysmal. How would you troubleshoot this?

[rancid marlin]

this might sound like a weird/stupid question but would it be possible to access your home internet/vpn with a wireless wifi usb connecter and bring it around with you to use with your phone? I'm not sure if this would work but if it did it could be like a small cellular data connection. This would all be without using any sort of cellular data and using the antennae as a way to replace cellular data.

[crystal oriole]

Hey @rocky badge can you DM me?

[peak cloak]

what

how would that work

[sudden kayak]

how are you actually connecting out to the internet in this scenario? you would either still need a cellular connection, or it's just using free public wifi with extra steps

[rancid marlin]

exactly that's why I'm wondering if it's possible

[peak cloak]

?

ofc it's not, packets need to somehow get to the internet

[static moat]

To everyone who doubted me

To those who laughed at me

And to those who told me it wouldnt work

Thank you for trying to help

But screw you

I got the $30 router

Haha only $30 i bet its trash - what you all probably though

Litterally HAS IP AND MAC BINDING

Dont need to install DD-WRT

Because it already has what i want

And thus i can successfully boot over WAN

No rasberry pi, so programming, no device on 24/7, no renting out a server

Just a cheap router off Amazon

Who would have thought?

And for those who are wondering, no its nit under the DHCP section, it has a seperate IP and MAC binding along with the ARP table

The ARP table that apparently

'ARP hAs NoThInG tO dO wItH WOL' - @peak cloak

[peak cloak]

it doesn't tho

[static moat]

No hard feelings though. You were all trying to help.

[static moat]

Yeah, well it doesnt even matter you know why?

Because IT WORKS 😉

Yall i spent so many hours trying to figure this out

[peak cloak]

just because something works doesn't mean it's a good solution

but you do you

[static moat]

I most certainly will

[peak cloak]

port forwarding to broadcast sounds like a terrible idea....

[rocky badge]

💀💀

All of this is a bad idea

[clear igloo]

Yah, would could possibly go wrong with opening ports that allow broadcast packets to flood your network?

[carmine moss]

have fun with the security flaw you opened!

[static moat]

Yeah, i didnt port forward broadcast!

I port forwarded the device

With device IP and device mac

And i also bound the mac with the IP

No port forwarding broadcast necessary!

[pale ridge]

0-o

[waxen scroll]

Can we like..... ban wseaton from networking topics on the forums?

[peak cloak]

Is the the vlans are stupid guy?

I don't use the forums

[waxen scroll]

yeah, i read more of his posts

pretty gross

[pale ridge]

Vxlan is better than vlan. Discuss

[clear igloo]

The X is for eXtreme!!!
VLANS to the MAXXXX

[pale ridge]

Pretty much actually

So it allows for additional vlans along with other extensions like layer3 encap

[static moat]

@peak cloak

you know how you said how to set up subnet

that you disable NAT i think it was?

and you set a static route?

can you reexplain that again please

why do i need to disable NAT to set a static route?

and i can't just 'disbale' NAT, its a bunch of different options

[peak cloak]

You don't need to disabls nat to create a static route, but it will not work

[peak cloak]

Yeah because it's a router that doesn't have that option

[static moat]

so why does it have the option for a static route if it doesnt work?

[peak cloak]

You need to disable nat on the second router, not the main one

[peak cloak]

Static routes are for all sorts of purposes

If you disable nat on main router, it will not work

I would read into what nat exactly is so you actually understand it

[static moat]

so i set a static route on the main one (this one) that says ok if you are looking for this subnet, go here: xxx

thats what a static route is right?

[peak cloak]

Yes

Well it's not "go", it's forward traffic to xxx

[static moat]

yeah i figured

[peak cloak]

All traffic for 192.168.0.0/24 forward to 10.0.0.1

[static moat]

yes

[peak cloak]

For example

[static moat]

then i dont get it, why do i need to disable NAT on the second one?

[peak cloak]

You want everyone to be reachable right? Let me draw a quick diagram

[static moat]

yes please

mr sausage dog

i used to have one, but it died of cancer

she used to always watch over me when i was a baby

long time ago

cant i just set the WAN IP's and all the rest of that on the second one, as a static IP fopr the first one?

Like set the empty spaces as a static IP for router 1

and i found the enable/disable NAT settings btw

[peak cloak]

so
Lets say NAT is enabled on second router.
PC2 (192.168.2.10) is trying to ping PC (192.168.1.10).
Computer sees the destination (192.168.1.10/24) is not in the local subnet which is /24 aka 192.168.1.0 - 192.168.1.255, so therefore it forwards it to default gateway which is 192.168.2.1, the second router. It will forward it upstream, but it will do one important step, it goes into packet and changes the source IP header from 192.168.2.10, to 192.168.1.2, which is the WAN IP of the second router, and then it will go on to the PC which is on the same subnet as 192.168.1.2. Then when PC replies, the second router uses connection tracking to track the incoming packets back to PC2. HOWEVER, PC will not be able to ping PC2, since PC2 is behind NAT. It can only ping 192.168.1.2.

Now with NAT disabled and static routes added:
PC is trying to ping PC2.
Destination (192.168.2.10) is not in the same subnet as PC (192.168.1.10/24)
PC sends the traffic to default gateway (main router), it checks it's routing tables and AH, it sees a route for 192.168.2.0/24. It forwards it to second router (192.168.1.2), which then sends it to PC2. For the reply, the same thing, but unlike the first example, there is no NAT. The source header stay intact and everyone can reach everyone else.

NAT is needed on main router, since you usually only get one public ipv4 address, which needs to be shared among all devices

[static moat]

so NAT basically changes the packet IP from a local one to a WAN one

[peak cloak]

on main router yes. It changes the source IP, so then everyone else knows how to get to it

[static moat]

wait

with the diagram you drew, can PC 2 ping PC 1?

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo @peak cloak Local bestbuy is undergoing construction so they have POSes out in the double automatic door entryway lol. So they just have bundles of CAT6 hanging to that place so they can wire in their POSes/etc.

[peak cloak]

yes, in both configs, NAT or no NAT + routes

but not vice versa

[static moat]

i actually think that fine

im just thinking because basically i need more ethernet ports

[peak cloak]

get a switch

[static moat]

and i dont think i can disbale NAT on the other router

[static moat]

dont have one lol

[rocky badge]

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=gigabit+ethernet+switch

[peak cloak]

what you may be able to do is just make it a switch.

What model is it

[static moat]

just a sec

3 routers, but ill give you the 2 newer ones

1 is FAST 5364-4

[peak cloak]

?

[static moat]

thats the name

FAST 5364-4

[peak cloak]

nice

[static moat]

its a router provided by ISP

[peak cloak]

you can probobly just disable DHCP and plug instead of into WAN, into LAN ports

[rocky badge]

mmm, 100Mbps ethernet

[peak cloak]

boom, switch

[static moat]

really?

but when i plugged 1 router into the other neither saw each other at all

like neither detected the other

but it was a different router for router 1

[peak cloak]

plugged in means what?

in what port

[static moat]

1 LAN port plugged into the other LAN port

[peak cloak]

and it probobly won't "see" it since what you "see" is most likely just dhcp clients

[static moat]

ah sorry

i never sent the other routers

[peak cloak]

and router won't be a dhcp client

[static moat]

i didnt use the router i told you

basically the one i told you i can get froma relative and give them a different one

the 2 ones i have are:

VMDG505

VMDG480

can i make any use of them?

[peak cloak]

most likely

[peak cloak]

.

[static moat]

yeah but like i said, when i plugged a cable into the LAN ports of both of these, neither listed them as connected devices

and neither wave WAN ports

so can it be usefull?

[peak cloak]

they won't

[peak cloak]

.

inside most routers there's a dumb switch

[static moat]

ok so here is the plan

[rocky badge]

i forgot how much bandwidth disney+ actually uses lol

[peak cloak]

4k?

[static moat]

actually wait

[rocky badge]

Yeah

I think anyways

[static moat]

how come when i plugged 1 router into the other, then from router 2 plugged into laptop

i had no internet on laptop

[peak cloak]

idk

[static moat]

ok i will test it

but you think there is a chance?

that plugging into the LAN port of a router can work

[rocky badge]

@peak cloak @waxen scroll client site unplugged a switch that had AP uplinks 😐

[peak cloak]

yes, I've used generic home routers as switches before

[static moat]

ok i will try

thanks again

[peak cloak]

actually at the office couple days ago

couldn't find a spare small switch

[static moat]

do you work for LTT?

[peak cloak]

no

[static moat]

ok

[peak cloak]

but there was a router, turned wifi off, dhcp off, boom

was needed since we were setting up firewalls in HA, so they needed a common LAN

[static moat]

wait but thats not what im trying to do

[peak cloak]

yes it's not

[static moat]

can i draw out what im trying to do to show you?

or do you know

[peak cloak]

but it's a switch

and you needed a switch

[rocky badge]

i want another fortigate and multiple wan ips lol

HA routers/firewall would be cool

[static moat]

no but i also need the wifi functionality of that router

[peak cloak]

we used sophos

[peak cloak]

can keep it

[static moat]

ok good

[peak cloak]

I think

[rocky badge]

This is the switch the client unplugged 😐

[peak cloak]

that I think is more specific

[static moat]

i will go try

[rocky badge]

I wish they had multiple CAT6 runs to the spot

[peak cloak]

idk how it compares to fortigate, never used them

[rocky badge]

so i don't have to rely on a user accessible switch for an AP uplink

[static moat]

whats AV?

[rocky badge]

audio/video

[static moat]

ah ok

thought it was access violation

[sudden kayak]

it would be insane overkill for my home network but i am definitely tempted to do like. HA firewall plus multi WAN load balancing

apparently you can use visible wireless (verizon's cheap MVNO) and find random strangers to share a plan with and get 4G failover for $25/month

not sure if i would want to actually load balance over that, or just keep it as failover

[meager ginkgo]

You need to check if you get decent speeds on that

Visible by me is garbage because of congestion

If you have Verizon for cell phone you can get their 5G home for $25/mo fyi

[static moat]

I tried plugging the old router instead of the new one to the WOL cable, but it cannot get a WAN IP?, It says it cant connect. I can connect to the router just the router cant connect to the internet. Switched to new one works fine. Switched back to old one, doesnt work. Any idea why this might be happening and how to fix it?

I tried restarting it multiple times and factory resetting it. I thought maybe i need to manually set the static WAN IP, but there is no way of doing it in the settings because i looked for it

Thanks

[round night]

can someone help me with what cat ethernet I need to get

[ornate jungle]

Unless you know you need something other than CAT6A, buy CAT6A.
https://wbnetworks.com.au/blog/what-is-the-real-difference-between-cat6-and-cat6a

[round night]

thank u

[rigid lance]

What would you guys say is the best allrounder cert to get for networking? I have pretty good understanding of setting up Fortigates and PANs, and mainly allied telesis switches. (oh and Ubiquiti stuff, but that shit sets itself up pretty much 😄 )

[shadow bluff]

oracle and cisco offers quite an intensive learning experience for networking. there are many more out there, you can choose which you want to discover for certifications

[rigid lance]

Thanks! I'll look into them

[shadow bluff]

if you wanna specialize in ubiquiti equipments and get their certifications then you can also do that
youll have to wait for date to come up tho. each networking companies have their own certification program since each firm have slightly different ways of running the net through their devices

[static moat]

Also, if my speed is 50mbps, will there be any different at all if i connect with a cat5 (100mbps) or a cat5e (1000mbps)

Since its less than both speeds

[carmine moss]

just do cat5e as it's future proofing cat5 is just garbage these days tho would run cat6 in most cases or 6a

[clear igloo]

and make sure any Cat5e you get isn't CCA cable
copper clad aluminum

[static moat]

Yeah but that didnt answer my question...

If your speed is 30mbps

And you have a cable thats 35mbps

And a cable thats 35gbps

Will there be a y difference in speed, since they are both faster than the max speed

Best example:

[clear igloo]

Not in the immediate term no

[static moat]

If you cap your frames at 60fps

You wont actually get 60fps

You will get more frames if you cap it at 70

As in, it will hit 60fps more often

Capped at 60 youll get like 55-60

[clear igloo]

No, a cable doesn't work like that, you either get the speed or don't

[static moat]

Even though your pc might be able to iutput like 100

[static moat]

Epic

Another question. If i connect to WAN with a 100mbps cable

Surely it will bottleneck

Because isnt the speed you buy, the speed for just 1 device?

[clear igloo]

No, the speed you buy is for all devices

[static moat]

So if you have 3 devices it will use more than just 1 device

[static moat]

Its shared among all devices?

[clear igloo]

Yes, bandwidth is shared

[static moat]

So if i quickly run a speed test on 1 device, then speedteat on 2, the one with 2 will be half the speed than running 1?

[clear igloo]

Correct

[static moat]

So i can confidently connect to WAN with 100mbps cable if my download is 55mbps

[clear igloo]

Yes

[static moat]

Ok thanks

Any help with the router question though?

[static moat]

^

[clear igloo]

What is your connection to? A coax modem?

You're ISP will had out 1 public IP unless you specifically pay for more and that tends to be bound to the first thing to ask for an IP. If you're trying to connect two or more devices to the public facing device then it's either caching the previous device or it's bound to that other device and not giving anything because it's already handed out the 1 IP

[static moat]

Its like a weird circular cable

With a long pin inside of it

[clear igloo]

That's a coax cable then

[static moat]

So i got router 2 free from ISP to replace router 1

When i replaced router 1 with 2, there was no problem

But now when i replace router 2 with router 1, i cant connect to WAN

[clear igloo]

Modem which the coax cable plugs into > router 1
Modem will bind the public IP to router 1
You need to power cycle to clear that binding on the modem

[static moat]

Yeah i know this one already

[static moat]

The coax cable plugs into router 1

There is no other device between WAN and the router

[clear igloo]

Oh, I see, they deactivated router1 on their network then

[static moat]

How on earth can they do that?

[clear igloo]

Basically coax authenticates with the ISPs network, they gave you router 2 and once you activated that they deactivated router 1 from connecting

[static moat]

And what makes you think this?

[clear igloo]

I know this because I've worked with ISPs and dealt with this many times

[static moat]

Where the previous routers given by ISPs dont work but the newer ones do

But by what data do they deactivate the old one?

By MAC of the router?

[clear igloo]

Yup

[static moat]

This too?

[clear igloo]

Yes, they use the MAC address and sometimes burned in certificates as well

[static moat]

So is the old router banned, or is the new one whitelisted

If i got my own all in 1 router + modem

[clear igloo]

whitelisted, a different customer could associate router 1 with their service

[static moat]

Will i have the same problem?

[clear igloo]

Yup, you would have to call the ISP to have them activate the new modem

and they would deactivate the old one from their network

[static moat]

Ah thats really good to know then

Why do they do this though?

Surely it just makes things hard?

[clear igloo]

So you can't steal service

and to ensure what's on their network won't cause issues

[static moat]

Ah ok

Well thank you so much

[clear igloo]

Yes, unless you get a PoE powered switch and a PoE injector

[static moat]

So i was talking yestearday with someone here

[clear igloo]

but those are pretty pricy compared to a switch with a wall plug 🙂

[static moat]

And im still not sure

I have the router that has NO WAN Ethernet input

I have a cable plugged into the LAN port of it

And the other end into my main router

Will it see it as a subnet?

[clear igloo]

Then it's basically a switch and access point (if it's got wifi) at that point

Provided you don't have DHCP enabled of course

[static moat]

So no subnet

And i dont need to set up a static route

[clear igloo]

Correct, if it's not handing out addresses then it will be on the same subnet and cause no issues

[static moat]

Ok

Will i still be able to access the default gateway of it?

[clear igloo]

Of the main router through that device? yes

[static moat]

No, that device

Because to disable dhcp

[clear igloo]

That will pick up an IP on the subnet the main router is on

[static moat]

I need to login in the web gui first

Ah so just put the ip of router 2 that router 1 gave it into browser?

[clear igloo]

Yup

[static moat]

Ok

Last question before i go off. If i enable 5G in router wifi it says about some devices that dont have 5G wont be able to connect

The firware is from 2010

Does that just not apply anymore for any recent device?

Since all newer ones will be able to connect 5G

[clear igloo]

Yah, it's old so it's saying 2.4GHz devices can't connect to the 5GHz band

but it should broadcast on both bands still

[static moat]

How can i check if its broadcasting on both?

[clear igloo]

Wifi scanner app on your phone or get a 2.4GHz only client see if it can see it

[static moat]

ok thanks

[thick minnow]

What do you need from ubiquity to get it to handle at&t fiber?

[clear igloo]

A cable?

[thick minnow]

No att doesn't do a true bridge mode.

[clear igloo]

I know that, you need a cable from their box to yours, copper

Depending on what speed you're paying for you'll get a BGW310 or 320, the 310 is gigabit only ports, the 320 has a 5 or 10 gig capable port but you'll be rate limited to the 2 or 5 gig you pay for now

[thick minnow]

What I am getting at is that ubiquity doesn't like att bridge so the poe switch won't work. What do you need sitting on top of the poe switch

[clear igloo]

huh? poe is power over ethernet, that's got nothing to do with bridge mode

I've got a router and PoE switch running just fine off the AT&T box

[thick minnow]

OK so att to ubiquity router to poe switch

[clear igloo]

Correct

[thick minnow]

But but att into poe switch typically doesn't work from my experience.

[clear igloo]

yah if you put the AT&T box in "bridge" mode then you'll need a router first since it will just pass the public IP to the first thing to ask

[thick minnow]

320 set to bridge mode out of the 5g port into Ubiquiti Unifi Security Gateway (USG) https://a.co/d/cEf1eCe

Sorry I work for att and most people I deal with who have this stuff already have networking experience

[meager ginkgo]

yeah that would work

I have a BGW210 in IP Passthrough mode into my own router

[clear igloo]

Yah, I've got the 320 and their 5gig service going into an enterprise firewall to a switch

So the USG doesn't work when the AT&T box is in bridge mode?

[thick minnow]

The poe switch doesn't work with att. There needs to be something between att, bridge mode or no, for ubiquity to work.

[clear igloo]

Interesting, I mean the bridge mode + switch mode not working makes sense-ish
but when the AT&T box is a normal router as well that's the odd part

And I hope you're not saying the USG is the switch, just want to be on the same page

[thick minnow]

I wouldn't run att fiber without a firewall. Everyone can see everyone else's return traffic. And att oversells their service.

No he was trying to get ubiquity to work just 320 and poe

Att does not like people solving their own wifi

[clear igloo]

they don't like much that's for sure, I wish I could bypass the 320 but alas their dot1x certs and some other stuff they added with the 320 stop that 😦

[thick minnow]

Some of the shit they do, the high level troubleshooting people like networking help desk no longer have access to the switches. There is an application between them and the switches.

They can't even find a specific ont. So let's say you have light and signal and just wanna know what splitter you are on you can't ping the Mac of the ont. No access to that level.

NO OME HAS ACCESS TO THAT LEVEL. there is always an application in the way.

[clear igloo]

Or their IPv6 handling with handing out only /64s from a /60 and you need a separate PD request per /64 you want

I haven't mucked with it since the 3210 but I assume the 320 is the same

[thick minnow]

210

[clear igloo]

whoops, yes

[thick minnow]

320 is the fiber only

589 was best rg att had

[clear igloo]

Yah, the 210 was after or around the 589 but before the 320

[thick minnow]

589 526wait 210 320

I've had a 589 get sync and service through a tone generator

[peak cloak]

I mean yeah, that's how pon works??

[thick minnow]

But given any technician with your ban can get you wifi credentials at will....

If you use their rg. And ATT likes saving passwords as plain text

I don't know about the rest of the security, but pulling ssid, and password off the cloud while nice for grandma isn't smart because you are one data breach away from having every residential att wifi open

[peak cloak]

Ohh, yeah...

[cyan dock]

how do i fix wifi cuz it shows no internet?

[meager ginkgo]

Try rebooting your device or your router

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo

[clear igloo]

lol, traffic go bye bye

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo https://www.pcmag.com/news/ceo-arrested-for-selling-1-billion-in-fake-cisco-hardware-on-amazon-ebay

[clear igloo]

I saw that, went on for a while

[carmine moss]

oh that explains the unused cisco antennas that where destroyed

had a pallet full of siezed cisco antenna's withouth serial numbers at an it recycler all in boxes unused

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo https://www.reddit.com/comments/vuugqv/local_shop_small_rack_cleanup_best_i_could_manage/

oh my god this is so disgusting

[clear igloo]

🤢 such crappy cables

Hide it in the ceiling, lol

[waxen scroll]

Unlikely fake

[rocky badge]

https://www.servethehome.com/fake-cisco-switches-in-the-supply-chain-uncovered/

[waxen scroll]

most of the time "fakes" are made on the same production line as the real thing

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/vv9aw0/what_can_this_thing_do_im_not_really_sure_what_it/

[waxen scroll]

Lmao

[quick sapphire]

Hey guys, newbie builder here, just finished my first build, but I'm using an Asus Prime b660m d4, and every time I boot into windows it doesn't detect my onboard ethernet, and I have to unplug the cable and plug it back in. Any ideas?

Extra info, drivers are updated through armoury crate, but I've gotten mixed messages about it

[quick sapphire]

Problem solved, armoury crate is bad and I had to reinstall the drivers manually

Thanks Asus

[waxen scroll]

@rocky badge Cisco wants to have a meeting to convince us to move our data center device management/monitoring to the cloud

I thought they were high when I got that email

[rocky badge]

lol

[atomic warren]

hmm

i know you

[quick sapphire]

Update its still happening sporadically any time I reboot. My buddy thinks it's an IP clash, which would suck ass because this is a brand new router from a well known ISP I just signed with 3 weeks ago

[thick minnow]

guys, what's a dope router with damn good range these days

[reef ether]

i'd say just get an AP but they're stupid

[queen dew]

I just finished building a linux 10G capable rackmount server that's gonna serve as the router for my homelab 😄

Super excited for the actual rack to come monday so that I can actually mount everything properly

[pale ridge]

Those are certainly words in a sentence.

[quick sapphire]

I can't think of my brother's exact model, but it's a tp-link

it's pretty gud

Archer AX10

[thick minnow]

a what

[thick minnow]

sick

[thick minnow]

looks like you can spend 10 more and get an AX20 by the way

[quick sapphire]

Ain't my router

I use a 2 in 1 from my isp

Hitron coda 4589

Love it

I ran a speed test a second ago clocked at 3.4gbps

I didn't grab a screencap because it was just a spike

But still

[thick minnow]

can't stand renting from an isp

[quick sapphire]

Eh it's $90 flat and I get gigabit

[clear igloo]

Is that voice stuff? 😛

[kindred violet]

It is A-sus

[quick sapphire]

yes

[waxen scroll]

pretty confident it is. too many ports though so it might be some small business all in one unit

[static moat]

@clear igloo You know you said to disable DHCP, but keep wifi enabled?

would the DHCP from the main router manage the clients

and what about the LAN settings for router 2?

do i set it as the same as the main router (router 1)?

the IP adress of the router that is

or do i set it as something acceptable for router 1

[peak cloak]

Give out IPs, yes it should

[static moat]

or will router 1 just auto give it an IP since DHCP on the main one is still on

[peak cloak]

For the second router, the one acting as a switch, you want to set it's IP inside the subnet of the main router. So let's say main is 192.168.1.1/24, set it to 192.168.1.2/24 , but it should be outside the DHCP range so it doesn't assign that IP to a client

[static moat]

makes sense

[peak cloak]

Some may not allow it, it all depends

[static moat]

thats weird

i have connection

so phone connected to router 2 connected to router 1

even though main router subnet is 192.168.69.0

but i set the 2nd router as 192.168.20.1

how is this possible?

[peak cloak]

But what is the connection?

Cable from main goes where?

Lan or wan on second router?

[static moat]

WAN cable goes into router 1

LAN cable goes from router 1 LAN to router 2 LAN

NOT Router 1 LAN to router 2 WAN, because it doesnt have a WAN port

only coax cable

[peak cloak]

And you can access the webui of router 2?

[peak cloak]

This IP?

[static moat]

no i cant

i cant access it

[peak cloak]

Exactly, the IP really doesn't matter for the connection itself

It's just a switch

[static moat]

so if i set it in range, will i be able to access it then?

[peak cloak]

Switches don't care about IPs

[peak cloak]

Yes

[static moat]

wait thats super wierd

i can access it throuhg phone

[peak cloak]

whats the phone's IP?

[static moat]

but not through laptop. but i do have wifi and ethernet connected to laptop, so its probably defaulting to try access it via the ethernet which is connected to router 1

[static moat]

ill check

yup disconnected ethernet and can now access router 2 GUI

if i have a subnet of 255.255.255.127

will i get the IPs assigned from x.x.x.0 - x.x.x.127, or x.x.x.128 - x.x.x.255

PS i know .0 and .255 are reserved

.0 is for broadcast and .255 is DHCP.

wait, does .255 stay reserved even if DHCP is disabled?

[peak cloak]

for one that's a subnet mask

[peak cloak]

last address in a subnet is broadcast IP

[static moat]

yeah thats what i mean

subnet mask

[peak cloak]

depends

on the network IP

[static moat]

ah ok

[peak cloak]

weird subnet

use /24s

aka 255.255.255.0

[static moat]

because i need to set a different subnet mask than 255.255.255.0

[peak cloak]

no you don't

[static moat]

since you said i need to set 2nd router within the subnet of router 1 IP but outside the assigning range

[peak cloak]

outside of the DHCP range

which is the range of IPs that DHCP will assign

EX:

So if I set static IPs I want them to be below .38

[peak cloak]

you want subnet to be the same

just make it like .2

most DHCP ranges by default start at like .10 or something

[static moat]

ah yeah i can manually change that

what is the Wireless Radio setting

i can change 2.4G to 5G, is this all wifi

and if so, why does it have a different name

[peak cloak]

fyi this would be on router 1, router 2 should dhcp disabled

[static moat]

ah its the device itself that sends out the wireless signal

[peak cloak]

yes

[static moat]

of course

[static moat]

^^^

[peak cloak]

You can either have the 2 frequencies be on different SSIDs or the same

[peak cloak]

wdym, the SSID?

[static moat]

nah, just the name under the settings

but i figured it out

[peak cloak]

If on the same SSID, the client device will choose what frequency to use, but that may cause issues with devices not properly switching. I never had that issue, I keep them on the same

you can also have the 2 router be on the same SSID

[static moat]

nah the whole point why i have the 2nd router

[peak cloak]

devices will choose which AP to connect to

[static moat]

is because first i need more ports

but secondly the wifi on router 1 (the $30 router) is trash

keeps disconnecting

wired connection is fine, and all the extra settings and IP & MAC binding is definatey worth it

[peak cloak]

ah

so you'll just turn wifi off?

[static moat]

yeah i did

for router 1

[static moat]

is this how i make it so friends can type something like minecraftserver.friends (domain name) rather than my WAN IP?

and dont i need to pay for a domain?

whats the login thing for?

Also, how on earth do i delete the permanent entry

ah screw it ill just factory reset it lol

[unborn sluice]

Yes

[unborn sluice]

You don’t pay for the domain but you still need a subdomain from a provider hence login credentials to their system

[peak cloak]

login to dyndns or no-ip

[static moat]

the DHCP is IN the router aka it IS the router, thus it has the same IP as router. Is that why?

[peak cloak]

wat? I don't understand

[static moat]

under a router setting, i found that DHCP had the same IP as the router

but thats because the DHCP IS the router

its part of the router

[static moat]

also something strange. When connect to main router, the network name comes up as router 2s name, even though they arent connected at all. However i set router 2s network identifier as 192.168.1, which is the same as router 2s identifier. main router has LAN IP as 192.168.1.1 and router 2 has 192.168.1.2

again, they are not connected at all

and DHCP on router 2 disabled

[peak cloak]

what is THE dhcp, there are multiple settings as part of dhcp

[static moat]

No, the server itself

[peak cloak]

well yeah... the router is the dhcp server

[static moat]

Thats my point lol

I was wondering why the IP was the same

And thats why

[static moat]

Anyone know any software for WoL over Internet for desktop

i have one that works on my phone but i would like one for pc

[peak cloak]

there is nothing special that it goes over the internet

I think something like this would work https://github.com/GramThanos/WakeOnLAN

[static moat]

yeah it is because some utilities dont have that

[peak cloak]

just change IP to your wan

[static moat]

nah some utililities specifically say it doesnt work over WAN

at least some old ones do

ive found 1 though all good

[peak cloak]

because WOL isn't meant to go over wan

[static moat]

ik ik

[static moat]

if i use a VPN, will it simulate a WAN connection

basically i want to test if WoL over WAN works over internet on my pc

on my phone i just turn on mobile data

so if i use VPN on pc will it be equivalent?

[unborn sluice]

How would you connect the vpn to your pc

[static moat]

just run the vpn client

[unborn sluice]

How would you run it if it’s shutdown

[static moat]

no

my main pc, i want to simulate sending WoL packet to my laptop over WAN

[unborn sluice]

Ik

So how would you connect your laptop to the vpn

[static moat]

no vpn on laptop!

im asking if running a VPN on my PC and then sending the WoL paket, will that simulate a device from WAN sending the paket?

so i can test if it works outside of LAN

[unborn sluice]

If all things considered and it is truly routed to the vpn server then to your residential ip

[static moat]

ok thanks

in wireshark it does have a random external IP

so i guess it does

[unborn sluice]

Wait what

[static moat]

when i checked on my laptop

the paket that came from my VPN using pc did have an external ip

nevermind your just confusing yourself

[thick minnow]

Can someone explain why my internet says I dont have wifi but can still use discord

[meager ginkgo]

is anything else working?

[thick minnow]

Yeah all devices have wifi but say they dont

@meager ginkgo

[meager ginkgo]

try to reboot the router

[thick minnow]

I have wifi but its looks like I dont wich is confusing do you know what would cause that

[gentle egret]

Just had FTTP/FTTH installed and oh boyyyy

[wooden drift]

Jeeez

Gimme gimme

[ocean pivot]

Not bad 😄

[gentle egret]

Coming from 80mbps down and 15mbps up not bad at all!

[ocean pivot]

Oh yeah, they could still give you more up, but yeah pretty good

[gentle egret]

just downloaded call of duty cold war 159gb in 24 mins

1000mbps is the max in my country

Unless you go onto some elaborate expensive business plan where they can get you up to 10GBPS i think

FTTP/H isnt widely available yet either here

[ocean pivot]

I get 2gb currently

[pale ridge]

Australian?

[gentle egret]

UK mate

[pale ridge]

We also have shitty internet.

Aussie ftw….

[gentle egret]

properly rip

[tacit minnow]

hi does anyone know this server equipment i pulled it out of an old rack

[urban barn]

If possible could you please get a clearer picture of it man

[tacit minnow]

no sorry this is the only clear one i have

the rest of the photos looks much more bad

[peak cloak]

You really can't tell anything. Just take a picture

[tacit minnow]

oh this is the a part of the video maybe its clearer in the video

[peak cloak]

I doubt it's anything of value

[tacit minnow]

ok but i was just wondering because i saw it in all the racks that was in there

[modest flame]

So I just installed OpenWRT on my router and I don't have internet access, It looks like my lan ports are all bridge together, and my wan ports are bridged, but LAN is not connector to WAN in anyway

[static moat]

Im having problems with setting a static IP for my router

before i had my router plugged into a modem

and logging into the Modem (router set to modem mode) i could view all the things like WAN default gateway, WAN IP ect., and i set the router to static WAN IP and put all the parameters in, and it worked fine

i have now switched modems (different router in modem mode) and asked my ISP to activate this modem (router in modem mode) indtead of the one that was there

they did that successfully, but i noticed my public WAN IP changed

furthermore, now when i login into the other router, since it is an older model, i cannot find the WAN Default Gateway anywhere, and when i put in the mask into the static WAN it comes up with an error

any ideas?

[peak cloak]

Yeah you don't control what IP they give you, unless you pay for a static IP

[static moat]

thats fine

[peak cloak]

No clue, just use DHCP, not static

[static moat]

Don't have that option

[peak cloak]

Dynamic IP

[static moat]

doesnt work

[peak cloak]

Or pppoe

Depending on what isp uses

Have to ask them

[static moat]

yeah but how come it worked before on static IP then

[peak cloak]

idk your whole setup so I have no clue ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

When I was in Poland, at my grandma's it was pppoe

[static moat]

so i cant find out my WAN subnet mask?

ok different question then

what subnet mask do i use for these IPs?

IP: xx.xx.65.62

Gateway: xx.xx.103.130

the xx.xx part is the same for both

[peak cloak]

You can guess the mask, but you will never know. A /16 will make it work, but what it actually is idk.

[static moat]

does it matter for it to be exact for it to work?

[balmy shoal]

I need a good after market PC network card

apparently my $250 x570 motherboard caps out at 100mbps

[carmine moss]

sounds like your cable has a problem or your router is only 100mbit

[balmy shoal]

No I checked. Turns out Asus is stupid

other people reporting the same issue on reddit

also if it were a cable or router then the system wouldnt know its at 100%

[carmine moss]

it shows the link speed....

is your cable cat 5 or cat5e

or is it self made

also what mobo is it what brand is the controller

[dim delta]

Oh god my family is asking me to fix the Wifi in our house

and i cant run ethernet for APs

so now I have to figure out which mesh solution would work for us

[sudden kayak]

yeah that sounds like your cable, switch or router is bad

that's showing you that you're using 100% of the currently negotiated link speed

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo woo

[clear igloo]

Nice!

[rocky badge]

gotta go over to the site on Wednesday to pick it up lol and take to a UPS store to ship it back

[balmy shoal]

Cat 6.

[balmy shoal]

hmm interesting didnt know ethernet did that

[carmine moss]

it's your router then or only half the cables work or too long run

[unborn flare]

Anyone experienced with HP Proliant ? I think I broken my DL360 G7

[carmine moss]

if the nic is realtek it could be the nic

[balmy shoal]

10 foot cable

Its the nic lol. I need a PCIE one

dedicated one

[rocky badge]

that nic is fine lol

it can and does handle gigabit

[carmine moss]

you don't try drivers also what is your router

or the device your pc is plugged in

like you got a laptop or other pc check the cable on that

[balmy shoal]

k

[sudden kayak]

no Intel i225 is a great nic

it's almost certainly already connected by pcie

internally

[vivid belfry]

Does anybody have the tp-link dual Wan router thing? If so, would you recommend it over the couple hundred saved from the ubiquiti version

[meager ginkgo]

ER605?

[vivid belfry]

Ya

[meager ginkgo]

I do yeah

[sudden kayak]

ugh the bot nukes messages for random typos?

I've been using one for my parents and it's been good so far (but not using the dual wan)

[meager ginkgo]

it's a good little router.. I'd still rather Ubiquiti due to the better controller software but if you're on a budget it handles everything I throw at it.

I'm not using the dual wan either

I also have gigabit fiber and get my full throughput out of it.

[sudden kayak]

yeah that's my big concern, the ER-X can't handle NATing full gigabit

[vivid belfry]

Ah okay... I've got some mining rigs and prob a year from now I'll need a ISP failover so I don't loose a day of mining like what happened friday

[meager ginkgo]

🤷‍♂️

[sudden kayak]

i think edgerouter lite can but the next reasonable upgrade from there is the udmp which is a huge price bump (not to mention i don't have room for a rack in my apartment)

[meager ginkgo]

a little slower than usual but it's basically full speed

[vivid belfry]

So a edgerouter or a ubiquiti for suggestions since dual wan on the tp link isn't tested.. will prob upgrade my line to gigabit too.

Thanks

[meager ginkgo]

I'd try the TP Link first, especially if you can return it.

huge cost savings over Ubiquiti

[vivid belfry]

Okay I guess I can try it out with the home line + ethernet from phone tether

[meager ginkgo]

👍

[peak cloak]

I have the er-x, never tried it but I think it can with hwnat

hwnat breaks ipv6 tho

[novel merlin]

I'm looking at running ethernet to our newly made office/ pc room. I am looking for I'm pretty sure is a switch. But all I need to do is split the connection from one cable to 3 or 4 pcs. Can I please get some recommendations.

[meager ginkgo]

Any unmanaged switch will work.

Just make sure it's gigabit.

[novel merlin]

I saw a tp link one, I'll send the link

I found this, TP-Link TL-SG105 5-Port Gigabit. Is it good enough

And also, the pcs will probably be playing heavily multiplayer games, so I don't want the speeds to drop that much

[meager ginkgo]

Yes. I'd get an 8 port version if you think you are going to use all the ports just to futureproof yourself

[novel merlin]

So like this https://www.noelleeming.co.nz/p/tp-link-8-port-metal-housing-desktop-switch/N185932.html?gclsrc=aw.ds&&gclid=Cj0KCQjwlK-WBhDjARIsAO2sErTChEVWHvNMe7sHZ0mdzeMoT4c_zyUd2arWLQEZvDkTouYH-Dphif4aAhiXEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

[meager ginkgo]

yes that is fine

[novel merlin]

Cool thanks

[thick minnow]

they have a gigabit 8 port switch on amazon for 20 bucks right now

[thick minnow]

let me find it real quick and i will link

[novel merlin]

Thanks

[thick minnow]

https://www.amazon.com/Ethernet-Splitter-Optimization-Unmanaged-TL-SG108/dp/B00A121WN6/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1R1N9ZP08ZO5X&keywords=tp+link+switch&qid=1657578731&sprefix=tp+link+switch+%2Caps%2C108&sr=8-4

idk if its available via the canadian site, however

[novel merlin]

Is it like plug and play, or do I have to do a bit of programming

[thick minnow]

I honestly am not entirely sure of the setup process or if there is any, let me look into it and i will let you know what i find. i assume it is just plug and play since it's just a switch. your network config should be controlled by your router as far as i know. i could be mistaken i am still learning everyday

[novel merlin]

I also don't know if I could get it in New Zealand

Thanks for the help

[thick minnow]

TL-SG108 try searching that on the new zealand amazon

its the same model router

[thick minnow]

is there a new zealand specific amazon?

[novel merlin]

This one https://amzn.asia/d/eYjjKB7

Or this one https://amzn.asia/d/dtZOLBk

[novel merlin]

No, we use amazon Australia, cause we are close enough

[thick minnow]

thats what i though, gimme a sec, im checking it out, appears there are different sale's for australia's site

[thick minnow]

sorry bro, i cant find any 8 port switches in stock...

[novel merlin]

The links I sent say they are in stocks

And also, should I only use cat6 cables for their speed

[thick minnow]

https://www.cnet.com/culture/how-to-pick-the-right-cables-for-your-home-network/

yes ideally use cat 6

[novel merlin]

Got it

[thick minnow]

its certified for gigabit

[novel merlin]

If I use a 30meter cable, will that effect speeds

[thick minnow]

uhh i think cat 5 and 6 both have a recommended max of 100 meters, but search and verify that

[novel merlin]

Well, thanks you for helping me

[thick minnow]

in general, the shorter the run of cable, the better, but up to 100 meters should be fine

[novel merlin]

Ok, so I should be fine then

[thick minnow]

no problem bro, and as far as those switches, idk what the specific diferences are, im trying to figure that out, they have the same model number but one has an s at the end. and there are tons of videos on

YT you can reference to set it up

[novel merlin]

Yup, one last think, how around I mount them, should I put it behind one of the pcs and forget about it, or wall mount it

[thick minnow]

an remember to account for the length of the patch cables along with whatever your main run to the device is

[thick minnow]

i would think it shouldnt really matter...whatever floats your goat, just try to give it a little room to breath, as with any device

[novel merlin]

Yeah, thank you a ton

[peak cloak]

cat 6 is good

[novel merlin]

k

[peak cloak]

yeah they are rated for 100m

[novel merlin]

ok, thanks

[pale ridge]

General rules I use is 85m to allow for patching.

So on a floor you have 85m runs max to patching points. Then you get losses and the patch leads on both ends

[hardy fractal]

is this possible?

[unborn sluice]

Look up how dial up connection works

[hardy fractal]

ok

but can u please tell me if this method works

i want router 1 to transmit its Internet connection from TEL port to DSL port of router 2

[waxen scroll]

https://www.amazon.com/Tupavco-Ethernet-Extender-Kit-Repeater-VDSL/dp/B01BOD8C9W/ref=sr_1_20?crid=1IE8WCLFXABGN&keywords=ethernet+to+dsl&qid=1657630253&sprefix=ethernet+to+dsl%2Caps%2C82&sr=8-20

[hardy fractal]

what is that

[hardy fractal]

what is that

[waxen scroll]

two DSL modems for use over phone lines that are not connected to a telephone company. thats the only reasonable way you're going to make that diagram work if a phone line is a requirement

[hardy fractal]

its not a requirement im just asking if its possible to work

[waxen scroll]

it is, but only with that product. you wont be able to have the phone line go to a DSL port on your modem

[hardy fractal]

ok

i have a question @waxen scroll

my extender is connected via LAN cable to lan port on my router, and internet from the router isnt working if i connect extender to Wan port will internet work?

[waxen scroll]

its a good troubleshooting step

[clever hamlet]

I want to update the wifi in my home with wifi6 access points but my old man said no. Even tho he is using my internet and my streaming service apps xD. He only saying no because he doesnt understand what a wifi access point is, that he doesnt want 'random shit' installed onto the ceiling, and me getting into the attic even though I know what I am doing, lmao

[static moat]

OK i just found out a wierd revelation

when i connect with my router normally my IPv4 (WAN) is xx.60.65.62 but when i enable modem mode, it changed to xx.97.222.17 (same device, xxx also the same for both)

no way

i fixed it!

[static moat]

you would never think of it

i coulndt add the second IP

because i was putting the wrong data into the static IP

because i got the data from when the router was in router mode

and for some strange reason it changes when changing it to modem mode

im sure that didnt happen with the other model

thank God i managed to fix it

i was loosing my balls honestly