networking

[peak cloak]

theoredical

[acoustic warren]

Ohh

[peak cloak]

real life performance is super messy because of other people on the same freqency

and interference, etc.

[sudden kayak]

right all of those numbers are theoretical and unfortunately it's hard to get close to those in real usage

[peak cloak]

wifi 6 is good with dealing with lots of users

[acoustic warren]

UniFi has a channel management thing where it finds the least noisy channel. But still getting 350Mbps at best with a Gigabit connection is still a huge downgrade

[peak cloak]

would need prob a faraday cage and more to get gig

[meager ginkgo]

if you want a better chance of getting full gig on newer devices, i'd wait for WiFi 6E to become more common

350mbps is still fine for basically everything

[peak cloak]

6e basically uses a higher freqency

[acoustic warren]

Yeah... Speaking of 6E, are there any good 6E APs available right now?

[peak cloak]

6ghz I belive

[meager ginkgo]

Omada has one coming out at the end of the year (supposedly)

UniFi has one for $249 in Early access

[peak cloak]

aruba have some

it's on their page, idk if it's been shipped yet

[meager ginkgo]

https://www.tp-link.com/us/business-networking/omada-sdn-access-point/eap690e-hd/

that's the Omada one coming out somewhat soon

[peak cloak]

we had poe+

now there is poe ++

so much power over a wire

[meager ginkgo]

oh wow I didn't even notice that..

guess i'll have to use the PoE Injectors they include 😐

[peak cloak]

I don't even think that's included

just DC

[meager ginkgo]

Oh I read that wrong

Welp

[sudden kayak]

well the thing is, 6E isn't actually any faster because of the higher frequency

it's faster purely because that new frequency range is very lightly used rn and can accommodate wider channels

I've actually seen a live demo of some of our pre production 6E hardware and it's really impressive

[peak cloak]

I mean it has to be at least a little faster no?

[acoustic warren]

6E has a 6Ghz channel?

[sudden kayak]

granted there's like. almost no client devices that support it

[meager ginkgo]

2.4, 5, and 6ghz is what most 6E APs will broadcast

[sudden kayak]

it's in 6ghz frequency range but the channel width is 160mhz

twice the width of regular 5ghz

[sudden kayak]

i mean not really

[meager ginkgo]

The U6-Pro also has 160mhz but my client devices (most of them atleast) only support 80mhz channels at max

[sudden kayak]

the actual center frequency doesn't really impact the modulation in the way that seems logical intuitive

[acoustic warren]

What's a good software controller you'd recommend?

[sudden kayak]

well you basically have to have the controller for that brand of AP

it's unfortunately not standardized or really interchangeable

so pick one brand of APs. then run the software controller or buy a hardware controller from the same brand

[meager ginkgo]

Omada also has this coming: https://www.tp-link.com/us/business-networking/omada-sdn-router/er8411/

[peak cloak]

Finally

Something with more than 1 sfp+ port

But not an insane amount

Surprised mtik doesn't have something like that

[meager ginkgo]

Pretty sure TP-Link said it was delayed to early next year

[acoustic warren]

SFP connectors are expensive smh

[peak cloak]

Like they have one with only one sfp+

[peak cloak]

The modules?

[acoustic warren]

Yeah

[peak cloak]

The fiber ones aren't

For shorter range

The copper ones, yeah they are pricey

And they use a lot of power

And get hot

[manic shoal]

I have a noob question, if I want to extend the range of my isp provided router which is in the ground floor of my house to the first floor, do i connect a router to it via ethernet or do i have to use a switch and then the router. I want ethernet access in the first floor also. What is the benefit of using a switch if I can just use the ethernet ports on the second router?

[clear igloo]

100w poe 😄

[clear igloo]

Usually the higher PoE stuff will drop down to lower but the AP might broadcast less channels (ie go from 4x4 to 2x2)

[clear igloo]

The "bad" thing about 6E is you're required to use WPA3 otherwise it won't work on 6GHz
So you can't have say a single SSID that broadcasts on all three (2.4/5/6) that will do WPA2 for legacy and WPA3 for 6 only

[peak cloak]

You want an access point

Not a router

[manic shoal]

What is the difference?

[peak cloak]

A router is meant to route between networks. It does stuff like NAT, DHCP, etc. If you just connect a second router you will have the issue of double nat, which may cause issues as you will no longer have one network

Access point just emits wifi basically. It allows devices to connect to the existing network

You can hack some routers into APs, by disabling DHCP and instead of plugging into WAN port, you plug into LAN

[sudden kayak]

ohhhhh interesting

did not know that restriction

[hollow marlin]

I recall in a podcast a while back that Cisco was either on track or has announced switches that can run on the new 90w PoE standard right? I think the switches were decent as well, like up to 24P gig switches

[clear igloo]

Yup, the 9300X can do full UPoE+ (90+ watts) on 48 10g ports now

They've got 1900w dual PSUs, lol

I'm sure there are modular cards for that too which can do it, I just haven't looked

[hollow marlin]

Ah, I meant like actually run off UPoE. But right now Juniper definitely does not have any comparable EX model that has such a PoE budget

[clear igloo]

Oh, run off UPoE, that I'm not sure of

oh wait, the catalyst 1000 series, yah, some of the compact models can

I remember hearing about those a while back too, almost forgot about them

[hollow marlin]

Yeah it was on a Packet Pushers episode like last fall talking about the UPoE+ and designing closest close to workstations and all "power runs" via Cat6a back to a central closet.

[clear igloo]

Yup, I remember that one now

[waxen scroll]

I have bad news for them

Most big places are toying with wifi only

Not sure what cable infrastructure is going to look like soon. Tldr #doubt on using it to power laptops

[hollow marlin]

Yeah it was less about endpoints and more around core infrastructure. So your power/UPS could be centrally located and switches scattered throughout would source their power via UPoE+. More towards industrial use than enterprise

[dry bronze]

Wifi is just a fad. It'll die any day now.../s

[pseudo blade]

That's interesting. Wonder how many devices and platforms actually enforce that.

That said I'd prefer the security benefits of WPA3 where possible, see the attempt at tying compliance with new performance-oriented specifications with security and would like to see more WPA3 out there.

Creating a second SSID exclusively for legacy WPA2 devices until you can update or migrate away from them probably isn't the worst idea.

If one SSID was absolutely essential I'm sure you could just add a virtual AP with the same SSID but you'd run the risk of devices that can do WPA3 downgrading unless you prevented that.

[rocky badge]

u poe af

[rocky badge]

Yeah that's why the UniFi 6E stuff is chonkkk

[short relic]

I'm so stumped

My tablet refuses to use my network on wifi 6 mode, even though it scans the network at wifi 6

Like I'll stand next to the access point, and it shows up as wifi 6. I connect to it, and the connection drops to wifi 4

[broken jetty]

Hi

I have a rather strange network problem, and I was wondering if anyone has any ideas. I'll start with my setup since it could be considered a little unconventional:

Currently, I have a BT router/modem/etc. box (henceforth referred to as the "BT" plugged into the fibre box, with the WiFi disabled. Plugged into that is a WiFi point for a D-Link Covr mesh network (one of two), which handles WiFi connections for all my general-purpose devices (There's no ethernet wired in the house).

This afternoon I connected my NAS directly to the BT (there was a spare ethernet port on the Covr router but I elected not to use it). It has a Samba server running on it, and, while I am able to connect directly using its IP, I am unable to see it listed in Finder's "Network" tab, nor by using its hostname. To diagnose it, I first disabled my computer's custom DNS server, as I thought the router might have an inbuilt DNS server might be how hostnames are served, but that had no effect. Then, I thought I might have the hostname wrong, so after some Googling I tried running sudo arp-scan --localnet to list every device on the local network, but this only listed 9 devices, and the NAS was not among them.

During my troubleshooting I noticed that the devices connected directly to the BT (the NAS and the COVR router) do not show in the COVR interface, and the devices connected via the COVR do not show in the BT interface. Interestingly, there is one device connected via WiFi even though the BT box has WiFi disabled, and this could mean that the COVR is somehow selectively passing devices through to the BT, for reasons best known to itself.

So my conclusion (with my limited networking knowledge) is that the COVR system is creating a mini-network, which can connect to the BT network via IP address only. If this is the case, I think I could fix it (of course suggestions are welcome), but if it is not, what else could be the cause?

[peak cloak]

The covr router is doing exactly what it should, being a router and NATing. It's it's own layer 2 network if you want to be specific (arp is only within a l2 network). The BT router is also NATing, hence why you were able to connect the Nas. What you have is 2 seperate networks. Technically you can be able to connect to the Nas as long as the 2 networks are on seperate subnets, but all traffic to it will appear as coming from one device (the covr) router. I can make a diagram to explain it better, but basically you have double nat, which will also make port forwarding not work. 2 solutions, connect everything to covr router and turn on bridge mode on BT, if possible or vice versa and make the covr just be a switch/access point if possible, but you'll loose its features

[broken jetty]

Thank you so much

[sterile kindle]

Hello fine people. I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice on a networking issue.

[broken jetty]

So enabling Bridge mode for the COVR will turn it into a wireless access point and nothing more? I wasn't using the extra features anyway, so that's fine by me.

Another thing, one idea I had is to make a custom DNS server using PiHole and assign a .local domain to the various services running on my network, so for example I can have jellyfin.local for my Jellyfin server instead of having to specify an IP/host name and port number (since often I have multiple services on one device). Is a custom DNS server the best way to implement it, or is there a better way?

[peak cloak]

Yeah you can do that

Some routers have DNS server built in, which is what I use

And it automatically adds hostnames from DHCP to the records

Just don't use .local

Use like .lan, .local is for mdns

[topaz basalt]

what's better for cat6, rj45 with load bar or rj45 pass through? or does it even matter?

[little schooner]

pass through is easier. Save yourself from getting the length of your cable ends incorrect

[cobalt jay]

is there any difference in using ethernet straight from router and using ethernet from wall jack connected to router?

[unborn sluice]

Yes

[cobalt jay]

what are the difference? could you elaborate

[unborn sluice]

1. Wall

[cobalt jay]

yes so?

[little schooner]

well, the port on the wall could be punched bad. In my experience at my 2nd home, I had to repunch my jack because the first time I did it, I snapped off some of the wires. In a pinch, I just used another long cable that directly connected to my switch and the internet for the whole home came back.

I still prefer to use shorter cables and that's one of the benefits the wall Ethernet ports enable.

[waxen scroll]

2. Two jacks

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo @waxen scroll

This hotel/convention center has fiber jacks around the place but they aren’t active

[worn viper]

I don't know where to exactly ask that,but will a dedicated archer c6 do the trick for airlink?

[dry bronze]

Someone's gonna have dirty fiber

[waxen scroll]

I keep a fiber and optic cleaner in my every day bag

[rocky badge]

Yeah

[dry bronze]

I should probably get one

[thick minnow]

any idea whats the best router at ~500 buckeroos

[thick minnow]

Ok, So I bought Cisco Modelling Labs for self study. $199 software for 1 year access.

Can't download it their server is down. The enterprise side of things is up but guess what my license won't let me download it from there.

So can anyone send me a dropbox or onedrive link for the ISO?

been sitting on the spinning circle for awhile....worlds leading networking device manufacturer and they can't afford the servers to handle a download request.

[waxen scroll]

🤩 🤫

[thick minnow]

Yeah it's bullshit

it is one of the more difficult to start downloads of all times

I bet I would have had better luck on the Pirate bay

much cussing and it's downloading now

which Hypervisor would you suggest?

[waxen scroll]

this stuff is only made for vmware afaik

[willow hinge]

What should I do to start making a much more secure and much faster network at my house

[thick minnow]

It's ok I'll be installing linux to get all this going

I'll run vmware on linux

[peak cloak]

secure? there is a balance between secure and ease of use

[willow hinge]

I want secure and fast. No matter how much trouble it is to make

[peak cloak]

you could install require wifi enterprise auth, with a unique key for every device, which is much more secure

but it is a pita for home use

you can have ethernet port auth

but is it worth it for home? imo not at all

[willow hinge]

Alright

Secure to the point of ease of use

[peak cloak]

you could moniter and sniff all traffic

and apply firewall policies based on these

IDS (intrusion detection system)

security onion is one

snort, suricata

[willow hinge]

I do want that

[peak cloak]

never bothered myself

@thorny vector knows a fair bit more

[thorny vector]

https://giphy.com/gifs/starwars-movie-star-wars-3ornk57KwDXf81rjWM

Monitoring the whole network (depending on size) turns into a resource intensive jon (storage, ram, cpu). You also need a way to mirror all traffic to your sensor, or else you're going to miss most of everything

easiest thing to do is set up suricata/snort on your router, and give it a solid rule set (talos community ruleset is pretty good)

[sudden kayak]

oh yeah i was thinking of setting up IPS for my parents' network

I've never bothered

[thorny vector]

Another thing to remember, monitoring is only worthwhile if its actually going to get looked at. Doesn't matter how good it is if you never look at the alerts

[sudden kayak]

i mean my understanding is IPS will actually block some things unattended, right?

so if you don't wanna actively look at alerts, use IPS instead of just detection?

[thorny vector]

IPS will, depending on rulesets

[sudden kayak]

dunno how worthwhile that is

[thorny vector]

Can be dangerous, with false positives cutting off legitimate traffic. For example, in my network, my roku TV's trigger a CobaltStrike rule, and if it was an ips, it could cause them to no longer work

[sudden kayak]

yeah it seems like occasionally checking IDS events is better than having to manually unblock false positives... especially if it's my parents house

[edgy nimbus]

So very odd - there is a block of about 17 IP addresses on WAN that my router simply won't do anything with (from 213.186.33.3 to 213.186.33.19 inclusive). Can't ping them, and even more odd, if I traceroute to them I don't even get the first hop (to my router)... any thoughts? nslookup works and gives me the correct IP address

[unreal valley]

I have a relatively small home lab but things are stacking up. I'd like to get a rack. Is there a standard depth? I have the rails from I bought each system but I noticed one is 26.5" between the rail mounting points and another is 28.5" which is why I ask

[willow hinge]

I'm working on building a robust home network so I can work towards learning how to do it professionally.

What should I start with

[willow hinge]

Should I get a managed or unmanaged switch for my homelab

And what core things should I get for my homelab

At least for the networking portion

Cause I have a old(ish) sff computer I was looking at using for a OPNsense server

8gb ram, i5 3440m, and planning on a 2 port nic

[peak cloak]

Managed, allows for more features like vlans

[peak cloak]

Imo, I don't like using older computer hardware for routers. Seems like a waste

[pseudo blade]

If you want control over any ports beyond your router, a managed switch is essential.

Otherwise you must dedicate entire switches to each network section requiring a security boundary.

[waxen scroll]

No. Not in 2022 if the goal is to learn. You only need EVE-NG (with images obtained through sketchy means) or Cisco CML.

[pseudo blade]

Energy efficiency can suck on older CPUs, but the lower end Core-i M-series chips weren't especially hungry anyways (35w TDP, new enough for efficient sleep which I bet it'd spend most of the time in).

For labs I'm all for setting up a hypervisor for multiple VMs (KVM,hyper-V,ESXi) and virtualising the router as well

...Just make sure you have a plan B for managing your hypervisor/put it out of band

[willow hinge]

In that case, what else should I get/do for the networking portion?

Because I want to do this to learn. Cause this interests the hell outta me. I just do not know where to start

[pseudo blade]

You're spoiled for choice. Pick a vendor you want to learn, else software suitable for the type/scale of business where you'd like to work, else whatever makes the parts you deem most important easiest. It's also going to depend a bit on how many physical machines you intend to run and how many different VMs.

Find what kind of environment you want your lab to mimic and what resources you have available to implement a subset of it.

[pseudo blade]

For example: My personal lab system is a single desktop with an i7 and 64GB of RAM. It runs a Windows DC, four Linux application servers, a container host VM running a few service containers for Grafana+Prometheus, two Windows 10 clients, Ubuntu and Debian test VMs, a Server 2008 R2 VM, a VM I'm messing with an ELK stack on. Lab routing's simple because I only wanted one subnet for the lab and is being done on a spare Mikrotik I had lying around but could have been done identically in a VM. I have torn the entire environment down three times since February because my needs changed.

But depending on your priorities you might want something completely different?

I needed lots of different types of systems to collect data from, networking was a lower priority for me this time

[willow hinge]

I do not have any specific priorities. But I do want to become a network architect.

So I want to learn how it will all come together

I have that old 3440m, but I also have a laptop with a 2nd gen I5, a core 2 Mac pro from like 2006-2007. And I have a older server with a 12-core xeon and 32gb eam

[pseudo blade]

So you care less about the what and more about the where. So a few VMs that don't do much and have minimal RAM as targets, the bulk of your lab in routers. You might set up a pair of redundant routers using VRRP on a critical subnet for high availability, OSPF routing with multiple paths between multiple subnets, remote networks tunneling in using OpenVPN, IPsec and Wireguard for "remote" networks behind routers.

Or perhaps you'd rather mimic something more specific like a datacenter, an ISP.

Pick what looks interesting and build what resources permit, using some combination of what's common for that use case and what you personally find interesting/want to learn.

[pseudo blade]

Dare I suggest you start by architecting something? :)

[willow hinge]

Sure

When I get the time, I'll make a showcase what what I want to do with the home I am in

And you can give suggestions

[peak cloak]

packet tracer

Try things in there

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo

[clear igloo]

lol, chonky AP

[waxen scroll]

why does an AP need an up arrow

[rocky badge]

Idk

This is at DFW

AT&T WiFi lol

@clear igloo Cisco for DFW. Meraki for enterprise

[clear igloo]

lol

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo omg it has a video ad on the captive portal

[clear igloo]

lol, of course XD

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo bruh

Every hour you have to watch another ad and wait for it to “authenticate” your session

[clear igloo]

I was just about to ask if that was the case, lol

[rocky badge]

Which I swear is a delay on purpose

[clear igloo]

of course, can't have you connecting too fast, got to ease into the internet lanes

[rocky badge]

You have to wait like 20 sec

Not min lmfao

[clear igloo]

Yah, you need to get the device up to speed to ease into that traffic

[rocky badge]

Idk how the cellular was so good in the plane but shit at the gate

[tall pagoda]

Does someone know if Bonjour (Apple AirPrint) service is available to Canon MF8000 series?
If it supports, how do i enable it?

[peak cloak]

Thin walls

On plane

[rocky badge]

Fair

But there are cellular DAS inside

[peak cloak]

Hmm

[tall pagoda]

I hate using seperate PRINT app

[sudden kayak]

last time i was at an airport with att wifi it didn't even work, because they only had a license for like 2000 simultaneous users or something

like i watched the whole video ad and then it just passed through the raw cisco controller license error message

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo @waxen scroll huh, both of AA’s inflight WiFi I’ve been on this week have the same public level3 ip

[thorny shell]

Is it worth getting a DOCSIS 3.1 modem?

[sudden kayak]

right now no

the cheapest ones are like $150 ish rn

whereas docsis 3.0 is fast enough to handle every real world speed tier offered by any cable company that I'm aware of

and you can get them for like $40

so its really not worth it

the only reason to get docsis 3.1 is for like. an unreasonable level of future proofing

[peak imp]

Your modem might break before it proves useful

[spiral anchor]

I'm running a web server on my laptop at port 3000. It says that
On Your Network: http://192.168.x.x:3000

However, on my another computer in the same network, I can't see to connect to that address. I've forwarded port 3000 for my laptop in my router already. How do I access that page from another device?

Do I need to configure the firewall on the server?

[sudden kayak]

port forwarding doesn't really apply, that's if you want to access it from outside your network (and you should probably turn that off because a publicly accessible development server is very insecure)

but you should be able to access that from other devices on the local network unless your router has some kind of client isolation functionality

or it could be a firewall on your laptop but how to disable that depends on your OS and security settings

[spiral anchor]

I'm trying to access it from a local network, yes.

[spiral anchor]

is there a way to check? It's a company's laptop and I can't really see or change any firewall settings on it. I wanna access it from my own laptop since the company's laptop is very slow

[lime rampart]

Sounds like a firewall issue to me. If your company has a lock on the open ports it's gonna be hard to run something tbh. What OS are you on? On Windows you can run wf.msc and check if the incoming port is blocked or open.

[finite scroll]

do you guys know how to like find the best routing for a server

I got a new isp 2x faster but im getting more latency on games (specifically valorant) and I think its because the new isp's servers are physically farther away from riot games' servers

what do I tweak to reduce latency

[spiral anchor]

Windows 11. Will try

[sudden kayak]

sorry yep vivovix has it covered but if it's company managed you may intentionally not be able to change those settings for security

[sudden kayak]

unfortunately there's really not much you can do short of switching ISPs and/or moving. the one possibility is that you could use a VPN with an exit node that is effectively "closer" in network terms to the game servers, and if you're lucky you might find better routing/peering from the VPN

it's pure luck though, and you may have to try lots of vpn exit nodes & even different vpn providers, but I've seen it make a big difference

[fallen ice]

@finite scroll SPEED is vanity, latency is SANITY (once you're over 30Mbps).

Unfortunately owing to peering across the public internet, you have no control over how your traffic traverses across your ISP's network onto a third party. ISP's balance ingress/egress nodes with Tier 1's and peering exchanges constantly. It is a moving target, of which we as consumers are mostly blind (unless you care to run traceroutes/plots). This can be quite insightful, you will see how your traffic traverses across your ISP and over to other parts of the public internet.

[blissful pond]

Does anyone else have this issue with TP-LINK routers on bridge-mode? If yes please do tell if and how you fixed it

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1440447-router-on-bridge-mode-disconnects-multiple-times-during-a-day-making-anything-that-requires-a-constant-internet-connection-impossible-to-do/#comment-15461332

[peak cloak]

hmm no clue, would require more indepth packet level diagnotics

or you can just get an access point

[waxen scroll]

I dont see that you plugged the cable from the first router into your computer

[peak cloak]

true, does it happen directly

[blissful pond]

I wanted to not only have an access point but a switch as well

and It seemed a good solution at the time

Since I would only need to run 1 cable

[peak cloak]

you can just get a switch as well

[blissful pond]

That's the weirdest part... Nothing is out of the ordinary until the internet goes disconnects

[peak cloak]

if you really want switch + AP in one device, tplink has these wall APs, which have some ports

[blissful pond]

I guess I will prob run 2 cables now

[peak cloak]

@blissful pond https://www.tp-link.com/us/business-networking/omada-sdn-access-point/eap235-wall/v1/

[blissful pond]

I wish I knew this existed a month ago

now I already bought the router and I am not in the mood of buying another device

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo 😳

This is for a bowling alley

[clear igloo]

lol, wow, lot of cabling

[rocky badge]

it was all networked it seemed

[clear igloo]

nice

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo They have a 2 year security footage retention

[clear igloo]

wtf, why?!

[rocky badge]

Until recently, security at Round1 centers in the US focused mainly on internal and external theft. As the company began building more Sports Challenge zones, however, it started seeing an increase in litigation from visitors making claims about injuries.

To protect the company against false claims, Round1 decided to increase data retention requirements at their facilities to store footage for two years to allow staff to go back and review incidents to determine the validity of any claim made against the company.

[clear igloo]

Makes sense

People love to try to find a way to sue for money

[hollow marlin]

@clear igloo @waxen scroll Of course at a <1 mile chokepoint that passes through the mountains in which multiple fiber bundles run through had to be the one to cut on a Friday afternoon

[clear igloo]

mega rip 😦
Just before a long weekend too

[waxen scroll]

You're not the noc though, so log off and start drinking

It's a holiday weekend

[hollow marlin]

My on-call week fell on this week and Im secondary escalation for NOC until Tues

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo Conference center meeting room signage runs Windows

every screen outside of every door

[clear igloo]

lol, windows 95? 😄

[rocky badge]

10

"Can't download updates"

@clear igloo https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/voy9kl/cyberpower_cp1500pfclcd_fire_hazard/

[clear igloo]

Holy crap, sparks at minimum, lol

[dry bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-15268759

[little schooner]

oh geez. I'm so happy mine failed before it got to this point

[willow hinge]

@pseudo blade Here is the network diagram I made. would you have any suggestions on what to add or remove.

[pseudo blade]

Probably a few pointers on diagram design: Don't put things that only connect to each other far apart on a logical diagram

[willow hinge]

this kinda maps the 3 levels of my home

[pseudo blade]

That modem should probably be with the OPNsense firewall it sits in front of

[willow hinge]

I was planning on just using opnsense as both the router and the firewall

[pseudo blade]

Either-or

[willow hinge]

should I use something other then opnsense as the router

[pseudo blade]

You can use whatever you want to understand

[willow hinge]

also, to your comment earlier to what I want to mimic, what is the difference between ISP and Datacenter

[pseudo blade]

OPNsense isn't something I'd expect to see in an enterprise network but is probably fine to start with

[peak cloak]

Understand networking first

Then try to replicate ISPs or datacenters

[willow hinge]

I am going to go to school for network architecture

The school I am going to has a specific program for it as well

I just want to start learning as soon as possible

[peak cloak]

Like college?

[willow hinge]

yes

a community college in my area

[peak cloak]

Gonna be honest and I don't think it's worth it to go for something so specific

[willow hinge]

wdym

[peak cloak]

If it's 2 year, maybe sure

[pseudo blade]

I did a diploma in networking and then did adv. dip netsec and a degree

It's not a terrible idea as long as they're not just learning network design

[willow hinge]

its a 2 year

what else should I learn then

[peak cloak]

It's just the fact, at least here, community college classes teach a bunch of outdated stuff. So you kinda need to double learn

[pseudo blade]

Networking from a broader perspective, network administration to whatever extent needed

[pseudo blade]

It's great for people with no background knowledge to use as a springboard to go build a decent lab or learn modern stuff

[willow hinge]

It teaches off certifications

and I do get the certifications along the way

[pseudo blade]

The certifications themselves aren't worth much

[peak cloak]

Yeah

[willow hinge]

mostly basic stuff

[pseudo blade]

They'll impress people with no familiarity with networking

[willow hinge]

but will give me some direction. plus I can eventually move to somewhere better

[pseudo blade]

I don't regret doing mine

They will give you direction

[willow hinge]

bvut I do not know where to start

[pseudo blade]

If the course is any good, it'll show you that at least

[willow hinge]

From what I can tell it is pretty decent

[peak cloak]

Yeah, starting is hard. I did it by getting better home equipment and implementimg more advanced stuff. Learning in prod basically, not ideal but worked for me to kinda get a foothold

[pseudo blade]

If there's anything outside the curriculum you can do while doing the course, do it

I found that most personal development came from that, not the course itself

[willow hinge]

starts off with some comptia stuff, then moves to CCNA and other more advanced stuff

[pseudo blade]

The CCNA stuff I did during mine was dated AF but the principles were mostly OK

90s architecture on mid 2000's equipment

The CCNA Sec material in my netsec diploma was intended for the ASA 5505

[willow hinge]

Over 2 years

[pseudo blade]

A+ teaches some old shit too, no idea how good their cloud and sec stuff is

[willow hinge]

and apparently they have partnerships with companies

but yeah, where should I go after this course

cause my parents kinda expect me to go to college

[pseudo blade]

Figure that out after you do the course

[willow hinge]

sounds good

but yeah, where should I start on my home network

[pseudo blade]

Looking at cloud+, what I immediately notice is they won't tell you jackshit about what's actually in it and want you to buy a book or several to find out

[willow hinge]

found the book through a pretty dubious method

[pseudo blade]

If the sample questions are anything to go by it varies between basic and pointless

[willow hinge]

most of the information I have scanned through I already know

pretty goofy

but it will get me started

should I get a more advanced router

or use my old computewwr

computer

[willow hinge]

fuck that mean lmao

[pseudo blade]

The more you research this question, the more stupid and arbitrary answers you'll get back. It ultimately blurs into and sums up to "Type 1 = Hypervisors with paravirtualisation and host integration, Type 2 means doing all that in software with no assistance from the host, which pretty much nothing does anymore". Every single hypervisor runs on top of an operating system, ESXi, KVM and Hyper-V are definitely not exceptions.

[willow hinge]

I can tell it is arbitrary as f not knowing what it means.

like should it fall into its natural place?

[pseudo blade]

Also if you get asked this in the context of setting up a cloud platform, fire the asking engineer

[willow hinge]

but how should I get started with my how network

[pseudo blade]

Build what you drew, figure out what sucks about it, go do your course and learn some of the networking fundamentals, rip it all out and do it again

Repeat until done

[willow hinge]

sounds good

should I learn datacenter or isp

[pseudo blade]

Just build a nice network for your house before you worry about that

[pale ridge]

Network architect normally have many many years of experience behind them 10+

[pseudo blade]

I don't think you need 10 years, but definitely you should understand the underpinning technologies and environments first.

[pale ridge]

Draining up a design is great and anyone can do it. But it is about it being a suitable solution for a business objective, within a budget.

[pseudo blade]

It's more than 3 years for sure

[pale ridge]

@pseudo blade you are missing 90% of the job my friend

[pseudo blade]

I doubt that but sure

[pale ridge]

They take business requirements and find solutions which meet them within a budget

[pseudo blade]

It doesn't take a decade to do that

I won't say a decade of experience doesn't help. It does.

If you're drawing network designs that fit on one page you certainly don't need that long

[pale ridge]

It takes a long time to build up the knowledge to be able to make useful and informed input.

@pseudo blade you notion of an architect is far from what the role does

Drawing diagrams is just the end of a process requiring a lot of experience and knowledge

Normally a diagram is just a small part of a solutions options paper, Or a white paper or memo. Whatever you want to term it.

It would just be included in a recommendation to upper management in language they can understand.

[willow hinge]

@pale ridge where should I start my learning then?

[pale ridge]

Ccna

It will provide the basics and a cert which is useful

I would get eve-ng

[willow hinge]

Alright

[pale ridge]

You really want to learn the fundamentals and apply them.

Find something to build and give it a go

Failing to do something is totally fine. In networks it is how we learn how to to cause outages.

[willow hinge]

I guess I'll build my home network and go through community college

[pale ridge]

Non-production.

If you enjoy it you will learn

Also learn DNS and Linux

[willow hinge]

Dns?

[pale ridge]

Once you get into networking you will spend a lot of time in Linux

Yer dynamic name resolution

DNS

[willow hinge]

Alright

[pale ridge]

Ip to name space translation.

Urls

[willow hinge]

Oh ok

I'm going to build my router

[pale ridge]

Configure?

[willow hinge]

No, I'm gonna use my old computer to get started

Not super power hungry cpu

[pale ridge]

Look up eve-ng it is able to virtualise your lab

Try and find a noc job if you can

Network operations centre.

[willow hinge]

Virtualise my lab?

[pale ridge]

When you get more into networking you will need multiple devices in a lab. It is much easier and cheaper to virtualise it.

[willow hinge]

Alright

Alright, should I still do my home network?

[pale ridge]

Yep

Go nuts do it all

Learn as much as you can

Don’t be afraid to fail.

[willow hinge]

Alright

[pale ridge]

It is been a while since I have caused a proper outage but last time it was just a wrong prefix-list.

It was in a maintenance window also

[hollow marlin]

Hence the reason for maintenance windows

[pale ridge]

Yep

Just wait till you forget to put add in your command on a trunk port.

Watch as things just vanish.

Alerting lights up

[hollow marlin]

That's the last time you'll ever forget to double check you included add

[pale ridge]

Yep

Switchport trunk vlan allowed 100…. Fuck!

[hollow marlin]

Then you experience Junos and all those worries are go away with commit confirmed

[pale ridge]

Nxos now has a warning I was told!

Near touched junos

Cisco and arista.

[hollow marlin]

I believe they introduced a similar function in NXOS

[pale ridge]

Most of my stuff is all pushed from ansible these days.

[hollow marlin]

When you learn Junos, everything else becomes frustrating to work with

[pale ridge]

I have not looked as never worked anywhere that had it

All enterprise and always Cisco.

[hollow marlin]

Junipers finally chewing into Cisco market share in Ent. I've always been in the SP field and it's typically Juniper for the core/edge.

[pale ridge]

USA?

[hollow marlin]

Yeah

[pale ridge]

I am Aussie

I think a lot of isp smaller ones are microtik and juniper.

The big telcos are mix of Cisco and juniper.

[hollow marlin]

Yeah, most small/regional SP are primarily Mikrotik even here in the states

Not including the dozens of other vendors you are required to be at least familiar with for various reasons

[clear igloo]

Learn Firepower

and everything else becomes easy 😛

[waxen scroll]

I'm not seeing this trend at all

Jun os is hard to work with and nobody knows it

They lose bake offs just on this

I am seeing Aruba gaining ground

[clear igloo]

Wait, any vendor is gaining ground right now with no stock?

[waxen scroll]

What do you mean

Cisco is at 14 days

[clear igloo]

1 year 14 day?

[sudden kayak]

i mean I'm not directly involved but all our DCs and backbone stuff is juniper apparently

[dry bronze]

We refreshed our switches from Cisco to Aruba, order placed in October. Received everything except class 6 Poe models. Estimated ship date January, then July...now October.

[clear igloo]

Yah, that's about what I hear from everyone for the most part. Some things are super quick, others are an eternity across the vendors

[dry bronze]

Also still waiting on a ucs chassis. have the blades but no chassis

[clear igloo]

lol, weird, usually it's the other way around

I think it's the PSUs that are in short supply

[dry bronze]

I think our vendor said the ILO or ilom cards, can't remember what they're called now, were hard to get. But he could've been wrong.

[clear igloo]

True, those could be the hold up too, hard to say
I remember hearing that PSU parts for some vendors were getting to be in short supply

[dry bronze]

I was going to say maybe that was why class 6 Poe switches were hard to get then I remembered we already have the PSUs

[clear igloo]

Yah, this shortage stuff seems to change weekly too so who knows what it is now

[hollow marlin]

Most so a by product of the Mist acquisition and their APs gaining popularity. Combine the the wired assurance which incorporated their EX switches, its chipped away some of the market share. That said, Aruba seems to be gaining way more ground based off Reddit post.

[hollow marlin]

Blasphemy!

[waxen scroll]

I've never seen mist deployed in the wild. Ever.

Not just where I work but literally anywhere

It's all Cisco, meraki or aruba

Oh and ubnt

Ubnt has a special place in my heart. I love when I see it

[sudden kayak]

i didn't even know juniper made APs now

[hollow marlin]

Juniper purchased Mist a few years back and thankfully has done a decent job of incorporating the SRX/EX in their ecosystem and have not just trashed it. We deploy them and they are nice but stupid expensive and cloud only.

[old elk]

the fuck do i put at internal port if im trying to do port forwarding for a game, thanks in advance

[wet trench]

I am very new to networking but I have some projects. I currently am working on a project and I am in need of assistance, I have a switch (catalyst 2950), Laptop (windows 10) , and an okay computer running ubuntu server 20.04 and I was wondering if there was a way to use the wifi connection from my laptop to then bridge or share that internet connection to the switch to then provide the ubuntu server internet connection.

[atomic basin]

what game? There's a list somewhere of the ports that games use @old elk

https://portforward.com/ports/a/

[old elk]

i have tried so many things but i cannot play fh4 properly, i know which ports are required and i did the thing but it still says "NAT Type: Strict" and it wont connect to multiplayer

[rocky badge]

I've only seen Mist at REI lol.

[clear igloo]

I'd hazard a guess you're behind CG-NAT in which case you're not getting any better without a lot more messing around

[old elk]

fucking thing sucks

[old elk]

well i dont know anything about networking, im just trying to fix my game

[clear igloo]

Basically google "what is my ip"
And then check your router for the WAN IP specifically, if those do NOT match then you're stuck

[atomic basin]

You shouldn't need to forward ports just to connect. Are you using wifi or a wired connection?

[old elk]

wired

[old elk]

yeah, they dont match
fuck this ISP

[clear igloo]

Who is your ISP? Cellular provider? Are you in the US or elsewhere?

[old elk]

its over some janky old dish somehow because this apartment doesnt have fiber

i assume im stuck at this point

[clear igloo]

CG-NAT is pretty common in a lot of places or on cell carriers without excess IPv4 addresses and there isn't an easy fix, port forwarding basically doesn't work

[old elk]

i could just try to see if a mobile hotspot works

[clear igloo]

Nope, same deal

CG-NAT is basically all you get on cellular
The only real workaround would be a VPN tunnel to a VPS provider or friend who's not behind CG-NAT

[old elk]

i have direct connection to the guy who sold me the service, is there anything he can do about this?

[clear igloo]

I would wager probably not unless he's doing double NAT (your router NATs to his router which NATs again)

[old elk]

right, that VPS i got will probably come in handy

[old elk]

aint werkin

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo

I actually have a router that can policy route!! holy shit lol

[clear igloo]

yeet!!

[waxen scroll]

neet!

[little schooner]

I have this access point, https://www.engeniustech.com/engenius-products/802-11ax-4x4-managed-indoor-wireless-access-point, and it's started to heat up to the point where the entire wireless network goes down due to it overheating. I've temporarily fixed it by flipping it upside for the heat to go away, but, it's got me thinking.... it this was mounted on the ceiling and overheats like this.... think I should consider a different branded ap?

the surface the ap sits on is a thin sheet of mdf board, but it's metal heatsink only touches a small area of it. idk if this is causing it or bc of the increased summer season Temps

[sudden kayak]

i think that's the one that turned out to be identical to the Netgear wax218 which also has overheating issues

i think it's a qualcomm wifi SoC iirc?

i used the smaller ax1800 version of that for my in laws (wax214/ews357) and it seems to work pretty well but definitely gets toasty

definitely could mount it a little further away from the surface so there's room for airflow behind it

[little schooner]

not sure but I had no idea it was like the netgear wax218. hmm I'll try to give it more space for airflow

Any suggestions to avoid a problem like this when using pass through rj45 plugs? No matter how I order the wires, one of them ends up crossing over another and the plug gets stuck when it's near the jacket. pushing the plug down ends up bending the wire (blue wire in screenshot)

[hollow marlin]

When I make them:

1. strip 2"
2. Untwist and fan out individually in B order
3. Pinch a finger width at the base and push them together (this keeps them flat and no crossing), do not let go
4. At a slight downward angle, pull the wires straight (the slight angle tends to assist in keeping them straight)
5. Cut at the finger width (just above the pinch point) or 1.5" if you're doing passthrough

[little schooner]

feels like a science tbh

[hollow marlin]

Having done 1000s with and without passthrough and single digit failures, this method works the best and how I train others

[little schooner]

Thanks for the tips

u and lzdanger have the best tips

[hollow marlin]

All in the technique but becomes a mess if you're stuck with a crap stranded brand

I still remember one brand of 5e that felt as if it was just the plastic insulation with no copper. Damn wires couldn't hold their shape for nothing

[atomic basin]

This might be a stupidly specific question, but the Asus GS-AX300 router -- can it share a usb printer? The manual on their site doesn't cover much and I'm this close to ordering one but the printer thing is critical.

[willow hinge]

What Ethernet cable should I get with the lowest price but still decent

For 250 mb/s over a 100ft cable

And it has to go by the breaker box sadly

[lethal marlin]

at least cat 6a

(im assuming you meant 250MB/s)

[willow hinge]

No, I have Comcast :(

Nvm

I'm such an idiot

Should I get cat6 shielded or cat6a

[lethal marlin]

250mbps?

[willow hinge]

Yes

[lethal marlin]

oh just get regular cat 5e or 6

[willow hinge]

Should I get shielded

Since I gotta run it by the breaker box

[lethal marlin]

not much point at those speeds

but if its not much more expensive then sure

[willow hinge]

Though we may upgrade to 500

Maybe 375

[lethal marlin]

even then, probably not gonna make a difference

[willow hinge]

Ok, I just kinda wanna make sure everything will be fine

Any specific brands I should go for or avoid

Or anything I should specifically avoid

[lethal marlin]

ive heard good things about infinite cables if you're in NA

[willow hinge]

Like flat cables

I am in na

[lethal marlin]

yeah avoid flat cables afaik

[lethal marlin]

go for infinite cables then

reasonable pricing and a very wide range of products

[willow hinge]

Can't find it on amazon

[lethal marlin]

they have their own website

[willow hinge]

Oh

[lethal marlin]

https://www.infinitecables.com/

[willow hinge]

Thank you

Ok, so should I get a managed or unmanaged switch

[lethal marlin]

managed switches are really expensive and you probably wont need one

for regular use an unmanaged switch is fine

[willow hinge]

I want to learn how more advanced stuff works

And what I can do with them

Also, any cheap Intel nics should I buy

Like a 2 port so I can use a OPNsense server

I was looking at a cheap $40 nic with a Intel 82575

[pseudo blade]

Go trawl eBay for a used NIC then

Go for a 4-port because the price difference is pretty much zero

[sly lark]

You ever notice how you have 4 bars of mobile data but your internet is shit

Why is that?

Corporations being greedy or something?

[peak cloak]

That's just to tower

[clear igloo]

signal strength doesn't tell you anything about congestion either

[sly lark]

So what’s the best way to watch a video from a website when this happens?

On an iPhone

[unborn sluice]

1. Be patient

[kindred violet]

More like people

[shut hearth]

anyone knows a good 100~200 usd routers

like wifi 6 ones

which ones would u recommend then

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo this netgear router acting as an AP is so bad 😂😂

[clear igloo]

lol, like a home router acting as AP?

[rocky badge]

Yeah

[dusky galleon]

this is kind of a weird question but here I go. I have an unraid server at my house. Is it possible to host a vm on there and then access that vm from a domain name I bought?

[peak cloak]

to access what

[dusky galleon]

my vm

[clear igloo]

Possible? Yes
Advisable? Heck no
Best solution is to point the domain name to your home IP address and VPN and then access the VM

[peak cloak]

remote access?

[clear igloo]

Unless this is a linux VM that you can use certificate authentication with using public/private keys then just VPN back instead, Windows RDP is not secure over the internet and you will get screwed with

[peak cloak]

like RDP, yeah it's possible. But as lurick said, use a vpn

or rdp gateway, but that's harder to setup

[clear igloo]

Yah, RDP gateway is server only or something too which tends to be more expensive

[peak cloak]

I personally use tailscale to access my home network. Easy, simple, relatively secure

I used to run my own wireguard instance, but I'm downscaling my self-hosted stuff for now

[dusky galleon]

Could you link me to a forum or video that goes more into depth about this

I’m very new to all this networking stuff

Basically my end goal is to be able to access shit from school on my school issued chrome book

[peak cloak]

what you want is then a web based client

something like Apache Guacamole

https://guacamole.apache.org/doc/gug/guacamole-architecture.html

again, it needs to be properly secured

HTTPS, etc.

preferably mfa

fail2ban

[dusky galleon]

can you explain what those securities do

[peak cloak]

HTTPS: Transport Encryption
MFA: Multi-factor authentication, basically requires more than just a password, TOTP is common one, webauthn too for security keys
Fail2Ban: Basically blacklists IPs with too many failed auth attempts

One thing I found to reduce the amount of bots is to use a uncommon subdomain, and use a reverse proxy on your server so just going to your IP doesn't go to apache guac login, but instead requires to know the appropriate subdomain

used to run wordpress on root domain (example.com and www.example.com), hundreds of failed logins. Moved to a subdomain for the wordpress instance, none. Main page is hosted by cloudflare pages, and I just generate a static site

[shut hearth]

is this a good router ?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08H8ZLKKK/

[sudden kayak]

i mean if you just want a basic home router/gateway/ap then yeah

it's decent for the price

the people in this channel (myself included) are more likely to give you advice about setting up a whole advanced SOHO type setup with servers & stuff

but if you just want to not think about it it's fine

[shut hearth]

whats SOHO?

[waxen scroll]

I'm enterprise only

I dont pay attention to the home networking space other than prosumer like ubiquiti v_v

[shut hearth]

How much would ubiquity stuff cost

[pale ridge]

When your home router cost nearly as much as a car you have no idea about consumer stuff.

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo

FortiGate logging is so cool

[clear igloo]

Stop watching netflix 😛

[rocky badge]

lol

[velvet jolt]

Anybody have any ideas of a type of server I can make with an old optiplex that will allow me to say I have networking or server experience?

[peak cloak]

I run proxmox with a bunch of different VMs and CTs for different purposes

Jellyfin, grafana, etc

[delicate acorn]

Can anyone walk me through on installing motherboard drivers

For wifi cause it's not detected

[velvet jolt]

Thank you for answer. I know what a vm is, but I don't know about the other terms. Do you have any recommendation on how to start to learn that?

[peak cloak]

Find a goal, figure out how to do it

For me it started with mc servers

[smoky gulch]

connecting to websites or interacting with a public network on Windows 7 is asking for trouble.

[smoky gulch]

oops, I did the thing where I replied to a really old message.

[south mist]

Bruh

[smoky gulch]

hangs head in shame

[smoky gulch]

It's hard to answer your question because saying you have networking experience is a really big and really broad topic. It's like saying how can I learn to be a chef. do you mean a classic french chef. Do you want basic line cook skills so you can work at applebees? Kind of a dumb example, but the point is valid. Some people do networking on Cisco equipment if they work in larger environments like big companies. Some people put together windows servers in a windows domain, and configure them to work together and that's "networking" in one sense of the word. @peak cloak's advice is good cause it will hopefully help you to figure out what you mean by networking. In big companies you will likely need certifications which means studying a lot and getting certified and possibly experience before they will hire you.

[iron bison]

Hey everyone, so.

Since the 2th of July I have been unable to connect to discord calls with RTC connecting and no route as well as unable to access PCPartPicker. Along with this unable to connect to Roblox team create servers. I am This is across all devices on my network. (Windows (Desktop), Macos (Laptop) (Andriod) phones)

So far I've tried.

Changing DNS 1.1.1.1 and 8.8.8.8
Keeping DNS to auto.
Flushing my DNS, (and something else in CMD I can't remember)
Keeping my computer, modern and router off for 10 minutes. (Including all the cables)
Calling my ISP.
Trying the website version of discord
Checking all my connections.

I know this is not Discord, roblox or PCpartpicker as I am able to join discord calls and PCpartpicker with mobile data on my phone, I hotspotted my laptop and was able to connect to team create servers.

Any ideas?

[mint temple]

Have you tried looking at the hosts file?

(Located at C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc)

[iron bison]

No, I haven't. I can look into this however it's effecting all devices on my network.

[waxen scroll]

Hello. F500 neteng here. Actually certs don't matter as much anymore. All the big boys want is experience and they don't want to hire anyone with weak experience. Pretty nasty catch 22. I beg then to hire juniors but no worky

[mint temple]

Oh, have you checked to see your ISP hasnt block access to anything or you havnt accidentally changed a setting in your router?

[iron bison]

Well I called my ISP today and they said it's not anything on there end.

I pinged Discord, Roblox, Pcpartpicker on both terminal and CMD as well as the pinging tool in the modems software, got pings back no lost packets.

When the issue started on Saturday morning I hadn't changed anything to my knowledge. (Not sure if it factory reset it or not) But when I unplugged everything for 10 minutes I also pressed the pinhole reset button on both the modern and router.

[mint temple]

Hmm weird and interesting

I know i once had an issue similar to this but it only affected one device

[iron bison]

Yeah, I could understand if it was only on one device. Or even streching it on my laptop if it used windows but it's effecting Windows, Macos and my phone.

I used hotspot on my phone to my laptop and it worked fine.

[mint temple]

Have you set static ips for those devices on your internal network

[iron bison]

Not to my knowledge

[mint temple]

Ok.

Hmm

Im not too sure

I dont think i can help much with this one, sorry mate

[iron bison]

No worries mate

[peak cloak]

What's the error when trying to access PCPartPicker

Exact error

[iron bison]

PCPartPicker is unavailable. Refcode: rdwPxr

I look a bit on reddit, u/pcpartpicker replied and said they're IP had been banned.

Tho, I'm not sure why this would be applicable to me as
A: I have an account and it's not banned
B: I've never done anything on PCpartpicker publicly, only made a parts lists no idea if its public or not.
C: This issue started on the same day as all the other issues

[waxen scroll]

I wonder if that's a cdn ban

Discord might use the same cdn as pc

[peak cloak]

Is there something more specific?
Like err_nxdomain or something like that

[iron bison]

It could, but I wouldn't know why

I normally until this issue started used 1.1.1.1 DNS but I disabled it as it wasn't letting me connect to my routes settings 10.0.0 etc

[iron bison]

Nope

[peak cloak]

Oh, yeah that's not a browser error

It's connected to some server

Like lzdanger said, could be something with cdn

[iron bison]

Any ideas of a predental test/fix?

I do know I was able to connect to Pcpartpicker when I used tunnel bear, but it didn't fix any of my other issues. (Unable to connect to discord calls and roblox team create servers)

[mint temple]

Try resetting your network adapter

[iron bison]

I tried that eailier today.

Started with pressing the pinhole reset button on the modern and NBN router box.

Then unplugged all the cables and left it off for 10 mintues, and unplugged my main desktop from the wall for the same of time.

[peak cloak]

It's something above local PC

It's clearly connecting to something

[iron bison]

No idea if this helps at all.

But same error on both computers, https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/937714451912724540/992942803552317510/unknown.png?width=706&height=335

When joining discord calls
RTC connecting
No route
RTC connecting
No route. Etc
However it doesn't disconnect either me or the other person on the call after 5 minutes.

[smoky gulch]

Can you take your laptop to another location (coffee shop with WiFi for example, Internet cafe, etc, friends house). Does it work there???

[smoky gulch]

Ah never mind. You’ve already done the same thing

Have you been experimenting with hacking or anything that might get you blacklisted??? @iron bison

[iron bison]

Nope, never done anything like that.

I could maybe understand if it was just one website (bug or something idk), but it being both discord and roblox team create is extremely weird

[smoky gulch]

Hmmm. I’m not sure then. Maybe try discord in a browser and when you get the error (like chrome) …. When you get the error, click the inspect button and look at the networking tab I think. It will show you detailed information. It’s probably too much to diagnose here, but it may give you some hint as to what the problem is.

The other thing you might try if you haven’t is to ask (gently demand) that your ISP escalate your ticket to level 2 support. Most ISP customer support at level 1 are not skilled at solving problems. They are literally reading a script. If customer says “this”, go to step “that and ask this question next”. Works for simple cases, but they are not going to help with a weird problem like yours. Tell them you need level 2 or 3 support (they may call it something else, but the concept is the same). Tell them you want the incident / tracking number so you can follow up.

[iron bison]

I've tried discord on the brother, but haven't looking into the networking tab.

Called my ISP earlier today (They sounded confused lmao) might have to try that :) Cheers for the help mate

So I had a quick look, this could it/something about it as it's the only one "pending" after RTC disconnnected

[smoky gulch]

Of course. As a last resort, sometimes this can work >> embarrass them into fixing it or proving beyond any doubt that it is their problem. But only as a last resort. What I mean by that is if they ignore you, or level 2 or 3 is no help, or they won’t dispatch a tech to your flat, post on twitter in their support channel or similar. Be polite, but insistent… say I’ve tried x, y, and z. Here is my incident etc etc etc

[smoky gulch]

Pretty hard to tell. Tell muffin, not tomorrow … today! 😂

[iron bison]

lmao 🤡

[iron bison]

Yeah lmao, I've never really had an issue with my ISP.

The only downside to my ISP is its a subsidy of the biggest shareholder of internet/telephone wires. (No fucking how they're like 20% higher then everyone else for internet and phone)

Anyway, I was thinking of changing the second most popular ISP if nothing works out. Get a free modem upgrade so thats nice ig

[smoky gulch]

That’s another magical phrase that can work when you are trying to get something fixed. “Customer retention team”.

Good luck!

[iron bison]

Thanks :)

[finite scroll]

so ive contaced riot support and they told me to contact my isp to find the best route to their servers (they gave me a list) but my isp said they wouldnt do it and they wouldnt give me a static ip adress either

super upset rn

[peak cloak]

static ip won't help at all

[finite scroll]

if i find the best ip i should make it static

[peak cloak]

not how it works

[finite scroll]

how does it work then

and what can i do

im in desperation mode right now

[peak cloak]

ISP advertises a block of IPs which tells all other ISPs how to get to the block of IPs they own. What IP it is does not affect it at all. If ISPs routing/peering sucks, static won't change anything

[peak cloak]

there are these VPN services that advertise they can help

[finite scroll]

yeah i asked for a re-route and they wont do it

[peak cloak]

it's not that simple, but they prob don't care or you didn't reach high enough support

[finite scroll]

i asked for a tier 2 personnel

and he did not want to forward me

maybe i got unlucky and got an asshole on the phone

ill try again tomorrow

[hollow marlin]

You can keep trying but they will not attempt to reroute a single customer.

1. They may not even have an IX peering with Riot
2. If they do they may only advertise non-residential routes to their IX peers
3. They would have to advertise entire /24 or larger blocks used for residential over the IX meaning it's either all their residential or nothing.

Theres a lot more to it then you realize.

[pale ridge]

Do you want the lowest latency to riot server?

[hollow marlin]

When it comes to routing or traffic engineering, the higher up you get in support, the more aggressive the answers of "no" you get unless you're a significant customer with enough IP space.

[pale ridge]

You would need to ask them to preference they lowest latency link to the prefix you are interested in so it is the preferred route in your isp network for your class of service.

The ISP might be disinclined to do this based on many reasons. Cost being a big one.

[peak cloak]

Yeah, I guess most don't care

Needs the $$$

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeNetworking/comments/vrbi97/was_told_these_are_cat5_ran_as_phone_lines_and/

[pale ridge]

Bgp and routing is just like having multiple ways of getting to a city. Some are faster with bigger lanes but often come with toils.

[hollow marlin]

Not really down to money. The large problem comes from one offs that lead to too much mgmt overhead.

We have enough IX peerings and bandwidth for all our customers. But that part does require money.

[waxen scroll]

rude

[waxen scroll]

@rocky badge the builder put TWO phone jacks in my whole house. cat5e. the connection outside is connected to nothing because nobody ever ordered phone to this house

I remember homes built in the 80s/90s where they put at least one jack in every room

[mild turtle]

Slave/access point router causing issues? I followed a guide some months ago and set up a slave router and everything worked perfectly. Then a few months later we had really bad lightning and then we had issues with the Internet. The company believe it has finally solved all the issues outside the house. Most of the issues we were getting have been more or less solved. However my brother keeps complaining of high ping and getting kicked from Discord, YouTube and sometimes out of games at different points of a match. I've been slowly changing things and I finally think I've found what has been causing it. I disconnected the slave and he said it wasn't happening any more. Then some hours later I plugged it back in without him knowing and I asked him a few minutes later if he was getting issues and he reported the same issues as before and I then told him I had put it back in to test. Any ideas why or how this is happening. Obviously keeping it unplugged solves the issue, however I need the slave because there's a big black space that needs internet.

[iron bison]

@peak cloak @mint temple

Thank you all for your help!

I was able to get 2/3 issues fixed. By factory resetting my router.

pcpartpicker still giving me Refcode: rdwPxr. Maybe whatever was breaking the other two things caused my IP to get banned?

[broken jetty]

I'm looking to setup a PiHole DNS server, and as part of that project I'd like to give some services on my LAN a custom DNS address, but I'm having some trouble deciding what TLD to use.

I was going to use .local, but those are apparently only for MDNS records. Since none of the other officially reserved domains are appropriate for my use-case, and since I can't use any non-reserved domains for obvious reasons, I thought I would just make one up, and I was partial to .home (which I checked was not an officially valid TLD). But, in my limited testing, Safari goes straight to Google without trying to resolve the address if it is not a valid TLD, and, since ~75% of people in my house use Safari as their browser of choice, Safari support is a must for any solution I implement. Does anyone have any ideas?

[peak cloak]

you need to put http:// in front for it to try

[broken jetty]

If the address was actually valid, would it work without the http://?

[peak cloak]

yes

if it was a valid tld

[broken jetty]

But it's not, technically

So when I have it all setup am I going to have to type http:// every time?

[peak cloak]

I wouldn't make up tlds since if they ever get assigned, it becomes a mess

what you could use is .home.arpa

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8375

[smoky gulch]

Nice. I thought you had already done that though, or maybe I confused you with another post on here.

[broken jetty]

Another option I thought is I want to have some services exposed to the internet through CF Tunnels. Now if I put custom records into my PiHole pointing to a local IP instead of Cloudflare, I could have the same address for both the LAN and the internet, couldn't I?

[peak cloak]

same domain different IP? yes, that's called split horizon dns

[broken jetty]

That could work, actually

[peak cloak]

although nowadays more and more browsers are encrypting dns by default

completely bypassing anything local, so just have to make sure that's turned off

[thick minnow]

dude my house was built in 89 and has 2 rj11 jacks in the whole house

it's the most annoying shit ever

[waxen scroll]

Wow 👺

Even my bathroom had one

[thick minnow]

bruh wtf

we have a coax for le cable and one 2 rj11s that aren't connected to anything

i think there are 2 or 3 coax jacks but 2 are within 20 feet of each other and the third is in the attic or something

i wonder if you can run multiple cable modems at the same time

[waxen scroll]

Yeah, I believe you can. I've done it

Of course each one needs service paid for it

[sudden kayak]

for the bathroom gaming rig of course

[sudden kayak]

can you clarify what you mean by slave router? there are a lot of different ways that could be set up that would affect the performance

[little schooner]

wow I should of referenced this in the first place. ty

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo IPSec router for college dorm?

[pearl plover]

So, Spectrum came out, they brought their own router from their house even, and was here for an hour testing things, we basically nailed down that my netgear RAX40 is dying, so I'm getting a very unreliable upload connection, and somewhat download but mostly upload.

What routers do you recommend for around $200 at most (Edit: Can maybe stretch to 250)? Preferably one that supports wifi6, dual-band at least (though triband wouldn't be bad)

I hardwire my PC and TV so I need at least 2-3 ethernet out ports on it. I do run a Quest 2 that I'd like to run airlink on so I think Triband would help with that having a dedicated band for just VR?

[waxen scroll]

Cisco 4331

[rocky badge]

lmfao

tbh, as long as it can do 100Mbps IPSec I'm fine w/ it

[waxen scroll]

Edge router can do I think

[clear igloo]

Why not p2p link with MACsec? 😄

[rocky badge]

lmao

i only get 100Mbps internet in the dorm

[finite scroll]

to continue this saga, is there anything i can do besides maybe getting lucky with a vpn

oh yeah by saying getting lucky with a vpn, that assumes that I dont know what ip adress/ server riot games uses right

well, riot support did send me an ip adress to test in ping plotter, shall i use that?

i think its not their actual ip tho that stuff is obv protected

[peak cloak]

no...

[finite scroll]

what is it tho

[peak cloak]

one of their ips

[finite scroll]

would it do the job

[peak cloak]

yeah??

https://bgp.he.net/AS6507#_asinfo

[peak cloak]

there are these gaming vpns

[finite scroll]

gaming vpns? huh

why do i feel those will only increse my latency

[peak cloak]

I have no clue how well it works, could use a burner card I guess and try it
https://www.wtfast.com/en/

[sudden kayak]

you can't directly control the route or make a vpn connect to a particular address - your best bet is just getting a vpn and trying various exit nodes close (geographically) to riot's servers to see if any of them happen to also be close (in terms of network topology) to the server

i personally really doubt a "gaming vpn" will help at all, vs just getting any reasonable paid wireguard based VPN

[peak cloak]

not a good look...

[finite scroll]

this fucking sucks dude

money down the drain for nothing

[sudden kayak]

i mean yeah the reality is that ISPs like to market throughput as the only thing that matters

[peak cloak]

yeah idk

[sudden kayak]

but latency is waaay more important for gaming

[peak cloak]

good peering

[sudden kayak]

exactly - peering is not something ISPs generally advertise but you can do your own research

[finite scroll]

how can i tell which isp will give me the least latency beforehand

cuz once you make that contract youre stuck with them for a year

[sudden kayak]

you can't tell for sure beforehand without trying it, but you can look for reviews/discussion of their latency to riot's servers if that's important enough to be worth the trouble

[finite scroll]

why isnt this being talked about more this is such a frustrating issue

[peak cloak]

I mean you could look at stuff like peeringdb to get a rough idea, but yeah you won't know until you tried it

[sudden kayak]

and you can look at peering data - how close they are in a network sense to riot

[peak cloak]

https://www.peeringdb.com/net/5918

[finite scroll]

christ vpns are so expensive

cheapest vpn i found is tunnelbear

$3.33 a month

[rocky badge]

https://giphy.com/gifs/vs-good-cheap-I7183SWqDxhkY

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo 😡 my ISP doesn't hand out IPv6

[clear igloo]

Still? lol

[rocky badge]

yes

[peak cloak]

I'm in the same boat

But the rollout is happening, just not in my area

[rocky badge]

my ISP's parent company is rolling out dualstack

but not my ISP

[exotic thicket]

had a nighthawk a6210 USB that was having ping spikes so I got a nighthawk a7000 USB which should theoretically be better, but I'm getting significantly reduced download speeds. any thoughts?

using both on same device, same port, same position. with their respective drivers installed

[static moat]

Im looking for friends to be able to launch a server on my home network. I have looked into WoL and have it setup on my home network. I tried setting it up so people outside the network can send the magic paket, but it only works for a short period of time, as after a while the ARP entries on the router are wiped since the server is off and not replying to pings from the router. i have tried to add a static ARP entry on the router but my router does not support this. I have also tried to upgrade to custom firmare e.g. DD-WRT for these features, but my router doesnt allow it. any help/ideas? Thanks

[static moat]

maybe something i can run on an old android phone that can be plugged in all the time?

[waxen scroll]

ARP is a layer 3 concept. I don't see how that has anything to do with WOL which only operates at layer 2

https://notenoughtech.com/raspberry-pi/use-raspberry-pi-wol/

Your only option and you need to make a webgui to expose to friends

[static moat]

Its to do with that WoL shouldn't work in many cases, but it does because the protocol is not enforced. Its quite complicated, but even what i achieved being able to boot outside my LAN should be impossible with WoL, but it isn't

Thanks anyways though

[sudden kayak]

ok thoughts on parts for soft router - trying to decide: a) one of the generic dual 10G SFP+ intel X520-da2 cards, plus cheap rj45 SFP connectors, for future-proofing if I can get fiber service down the line... or b) one of the intel x540-t2 cards which are 10g RJ45 already

the dual sfp+ cards are like $80-100, plus a bit more for decent rj45 sfp connectors

but that also means i can just swap out the sfp if i do get fiber at some point

ehh actually never mind i've convinced myself that it's not worth paying extra for future proofing

by the time there's fiber in my neighborhood you'll probably be able to get 10g SFP nics for like $15 because 10G will be the new 1G

[copper rover]

CNAME to https://www.vyprvpn.com/gaming-vpn

[sudden kayak]

i can't even figure out what the scam here is

[pseudo blade]

I'd skip the SFP RJ45's if you can, they run hot.

[hollow axle]

Just use cheap fiber sfps, they are the shit

[short lark]

Can I make OPNsense use two 100Mbps NICs to make use of my ISP's 150Mbps?

[peak cloak]

What's on the other end

[short lark]

The ISP issued modem/router sadly

[gleaming cave]

Sorry for the late tag, but I decided to come on over here and search up this exact issue, as I am having it now.

Did you happen to find a fix?

I've been gone from home 3 weeks or so and internet connection sharing was working perfectly fine, but now, no. I've changed nothing, booted PC up and well stuff went borked.

I'll try to remember to let you know if I find a fix.

[pseudo blade]

No dice. You could potentially get a gigabit smart switch, bond the two NICs from router to switch using round-robin bonding, then connect that to your ISP's router... but at that point the sensible option is to just buy a gigabit router and be done with it.

I also recommend just getting gigabit interfaces instead of bonding because all bonding options have annoying caveats, and round-robin's is no guarantee the packets will arrive in the order you sent them in (this can cause performance and latency issues if it triggers retransmits).

Everything else's caveat is "single connection throughput can't exceed the bandwidth of a participating interface".

[acoustic warren]

I'm planning to get a TP-Link Omada Switch, Router and Controller but I already have a pretty good Ubiquiti Access Point. Is the TP Link stuff gonna behave well with the AP or will I have any issues?

[pseudo blade]

It's not going to integrate, if that's what you're asking.

You will be running two controllers.

Other than that, it should coexist fine.

[short lark]

Yeah, I guess I'll have to wait and get a gigabit NIC. Thank you

[onyx portal]

No. I did not. I just assumed it was because of a windows update. I just resorted to wifi. My current os build is 19044.1766.

[static moat]

So Yall know how you can set a static IP adress

e.g. i windows 10

how do you do it if the devices doesnt have an interface e.g. a rasberyy Pi, or alarm system plugged in via ethernet???

can you only do it via DHCP setting MAC reservation? and does that still work if you disable DHCP?

and if so, how does it know all these settings that you set when doing in via windows 10?:

like all the DNS server, defaults gateway ect.?

[peak cloak]

Raspberry pi, it's just Linux so you set it in there via CLI.
Alarm system yeah you prob can't without hacking

Yeah but that's not really static, just an infinite lease kinda. No it won't.

Why do you want to disable DHCP. I don't get it in this day and age.

There are like no benefits from disabling it, just headaches

[thick minnow]

ime it just renews the same address most of the time anyway

[static moat]

WoL over internet seemed to work when i disabled it

since the router wont be flushing the cache it stores for ARP entries

[peak cloak]

Wol has nothing to do with IP addresses

Nothing to do with arp

Like I believe lurick said

[static moat]

ok

[waxen scroll]

i guess im lurick now rip

[tulip yarrow]

Hi I have 3 questions. I've been making a public free vm access using apache guacamole on linux debian, but i have a few problems.
1] I can't find any way to sort/organise the connections on the all connections list. I tried naming the connections with invisible characters, like it is working, but it is not what i wanted.
2] Is it possible to create a text? [not a connection, but just a text, which i can organise too, same like the connections] I want to use the text as a warning or a information [as you can see on the screenshot below]
3] Is there any way to prevent a user [in this case guest with no perms] from killing sessions running on the same guacamole account [on the http website, not guac or linux accout]

Screenshots:
attachment

but mainly, i need to fix the guest disconnect thing

[peak cloak]

I forget ...

[rocky badge]

lmao free public rdp vm access

[peak cloak]

This is a more advanced guacamole thing that I doubt anyone here knows. Maybe go to the guacamole mailing list?

[tulip yarrow]

I couldn't find any guacamole contact or support

[peak cloak]

https://guacamole.apache.org/support/

[acoustic warren]

My U6 LR connected to a 300Mbps connection gives me 120Mbps max even even I'm right next to it. On the least noisy channel. any idea why this might be happening? Should I just RMA it?

[thick minnow]

lightning stops transmission between

ubiquity dishes

[acoustic warren]

I've literally nothing in between me and the Ap

[thick minnow]

like if lightning strikes nearby

[acoustic warren]

Def not the issue

[thick minnow]

im talking about my dishes

lightning struck the nearby bridge and I had to reset both dishes

I am soaked

[tulip yarrow]

The e-mail does not work anymore

[peak cloak]

Wdym, it's a mailing list

[tulip yarrow]

When i send a message on that email on their website, a bot sends me back a error message

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo I spy Cisco in the back

[clear igloo]

lol

This a new install of some sort?

lot of video stuff too

[rocky badge]

university lecture halls

[waxen scroll]

OOF cable boxes with wood spools

those are the worst

[little schooner]

I've got sliced pretty bad one time trying to pick up a spool but lost my grip. wood made a long cut, so much bleeding

I definitely don't wanna be the cable person part or full time

[static moat]

So i have recently set this up. How can i ping the laptop from the gaming pc? normally you would just type the Ip adress, but since its on a different network, it doesnt work :-(. any help?

[shadow bluff]

i assume your router has been configured in such that it knows there is another network in your system (seeing 2 router config with different ip and subnet entirely). By general try and error just typing ping * device ip address * should just do the trick first hand unless somehow your router 2 have no idea theres another network in its system

[static moat]

How do i know if it knows there is another network or not

Its a wifi reapeater set up as a router

I gave it a static IP

And it does come up in the list of connected devices for router 1

[peak cloak]

is router 2 NATing?

[static moat]

Even when all the devices connectwd to router 2 are off

[static moat]

Wdym?

[peak cloak]

is it doing network address translation

what type of device is it

[static moat]

Dude i have no idea what that means lol

Its a coredy E300 mini

[peak cloak]

I would assume it is, if it's a generic router. You either:

• A turn it into bridge mode so it's just bridging/switching, and everything will be on the same subnet
• B disable NAT, if possible, then you would set a static route on router 1 which will tell it how to get to second subnet

[static moat]

No bridge option from what i found. I want them to be on different subnets

[peak cloak]

why?

[static moat]

Just because

I need to test something

[peak cloak]

I don't think it has the option to disable nat, nor does router 1 has the ability to add static routes

I've setup something like that at home, but I can do those things

[static moat]

What do you mean by set a static route

Is it to do with ARP entries?

[peak cloak]

nope

[static moat]

Or just setting a static IP

[peak cloak]

now I have to explain networking

. look here

basically telling router 1 where to go for 192.168.10.0/24

[static moat]

Ok

That makes sense

You need that for it to work?

Wait wouldnt that be setup then in router 1 not router 2?

[peak cloak]

yes

[static moat]

So even if coredy doesnt have the static routes

[peak cloak]

but router 2 also needs NAT disabled

[static moat]

The main router can

[peak cloak]

or else it will translate all internal IPs to it's IP which you don't want

it literally looks at packets and changes the source IP from the LAN IP, to the router IP, that way external devices know how to get back, but you don't want that since it will know how already since you have a static route. This is useful when you only have lets say one public IP. But this also means you cannot initiate new connections from external to internal.

[static moat]

Ok. I also need a router or something that allows to set static ARP entries, like one that has a command section that you can inout command. Like DD-WRT. My router isnt compatible.with DD-WRM, so any ideas on that?

[peak cloak]

NOT ARP

[static moat]

Like alternative firmware that allows this

[peak cloak]

what is with you and arp

arp is just a protocol that tells devices what IP corresponds to what mac

[static moat]

You really want to know why?

Ok here it goes

Im able to WoL over internet from outside my LAN. BUT it only works for a short while after the laptop is turned off. I found out that this is because the ARP entries are wiped from cache, and thus after a while e.g. minutes-hours, it stops working

Thus, if i can set a static ARP entry

It will fix the problem because it wont keep wiping it from cache

Thats why

[peak cloak]

but that's not an arp issue

you do WOL based on mac address

[static moat]

Dude forget this network i jusg showed you

That issue is what happens with just connected to main router. Not this extra subnet

[peak cloak]

yes

but arp isn't the issue here

[static moat]

Enlighten me then please

Why does the WoL stop working after a while

[peak cloak]

how WOL works is that you specify the mac address of the device you want to wake up. You send a magic packet to everyone to everyone and the device that has the specified mac address makes up

[peak cloak]

what software are you using

[static moat]

WoL app

[peak cloak]

what exact command are you using

[static moat]

Top

These are the settings

For waking from WAN

[peak cloak]

you leaked your IP btw

[static moat]

Oops

[peak cloak]

I feel it could be something funky the app is doing

[static moat]

Dude its not. Here have a read of this

Read the top solution

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/why-does-wake-on-wan-stop-working-after-a-while.1897437/

[peak cloak]

Wol shouldn't work over the internet

[static moat]

But it does

If you read the solution, he said either allow for broadcasting to all devices, or have static ARP entries. My question is how do i do either and whith what firware/hardware ect.

[peak cloak]

Yeah because of some funky things that are being done. What I did myself was just remote into my network, connect to a router/pi that is on the same l2 network and send the magic packet there. Works reliably 100% of the time because thats how it was designed. Not to mention just how much more secure that is

[peak cloak]

If your router doesn't support it you can't

[static moat]

Yeah but i need others to be able to boot the laptop

[static moat]

I can get a new one. Im asking what router

[crystal oriole]

not possible to ssh to router and send magic packet from there?

[static moat]

People joining a minecraft server arent going to be installing SSH and running commands

Just to boot it

[crystal oriole]

Oooh its for that ah okay yeah

[peak cloak]

Can't run 24/7?

[static moat]

I have looked into rasberry pie, but its like i said, it needs to be simple e.g. run a file that i send everyone to connect

[peak cloak]

Exposing that seems like a bad idea

[static moat]

Nope

[peak cloak]

There is probably some web interface that does it

[static moat]

But at that point im giving access to my rasberry pie to strangers arent i?

Ssh allows for commands, file traversal ect.

WoL is just a simple paket

You see why im trying so hard to stick to WoL?

[peak cloak]

https://github.com/sameerdhoot/wolweb

Put some auth in front of it

Simple

[static moat]

Firstly thats a WoL interface nit an SSH interface

[peak cloak]

Yes that's the point

[static moat]

Again useless as it wont boot the laptop after a while

And secondly i have no idea what im doing

[peak cloak]

If it's local, it may work

[static moat]

'put some auth in front of it'

Idk what that means

I have no idea how to even use a rasberry pi

[static moat]

Wdym?

[crystal oriole]

You run the web interface on some equipment within the same local network with some form of auth (authentication, login screen, something) and make it reachable over the web in order to send out an actual local WoL magic packet.

correct me if im wrong here PresentMonkey but thats the way I understood it?

[peak cloak]

Yeah

[static moat]

Thats much more effort than opening 1 file

[peak cloak]

Since you want it to be user friendly

[static moat]

So no

I need a router that has static ARP entires, or a feature called directed broadcast

Thats my question

What hardware do i get for that

[peak cloak]

I would expect a mikrotik to have that, but it's not very user friendly

[static moat]

Ok i can have a look at that

Thank you

Also a sidenote

I tried connecting 2 routers via ethenet

But neither detected the other as connected

What up with that?

I plugged the cable into both LAN ports

[peak cloak]

Well yeah no that won't work by default

And wdym, by not detected

[static moat]

like in the list of connected devices

neither come up in each others web GUI

actually wait

ive come up witha simple solution

can i make it so a rasberry pi connected to the network

when it receives a WoL paket

it sends another WoL paket to the same LAN?

[peak cloak]

yeah, but I doubt there is anything out there like that already

Would require custom coding