networking

[plain siren]

Yeah exactly

[waxen scroll]

@little schooner we gotta get you on one of those

[plain siren]

Thats why I got my GNS3 and Docker server farm, Ill emulate the entire network first before handing it off and saying "This works"

[clear igloo]

They give /60s in increments of /64 per interface/PD request for customers >.<*

[waxen scroll]

i'd never want an ISPs space

gimme my own pls

[plain siren]

Wtf, out here they are giving larger ones.... where are you at?

[clear igloo]

NC, they assigned a /60 to the BGW gateway and I have to make multiple requests to get them in /64s they ignore any PD request for anything bigger

[waxen scroll]

they caved and are buying us CML

[plain siren]

BGW-210 I assume?

[clear igloo]

BGW210 and 320

[waxen scroll]

we are not allowed to exfiltrate data so no "like the network" GNS unless you type all by hand

[clear igloo]

I know someone on an older non-BGW gateway and they got the entire /60, they really screwed up their address/PD stuff, lol

[tender hazel]

I heard of some stupid ISPs giving their customers /80's

[plain siren]

Yeah I got the entire /60, just checked.

[clear igloo]

Yah, it's weird, I tried sending a PD for /60 and /61 and they didn't give me anything but a /64

[plain siren]

BGW210 But I bypassed the BGW210 entirely cuz RA and PD Trash.

[tender hazel]

even giving a customer just a /64 is a bad idea, but unfortunately it is often done as the default because a bunch of routers like tplink and netgear will just NOT work if they receive anything except a /64

[clear igloo]

Yah, I'm on the 320 now

[plain siren]

Ouch

[clear igloo]

or android cough

[tender hazel]

that leads to people complaining to big ISPs like british telecom that their "non-standard" /56 doesn't work with their tplink or netgear router

because tplink and netgear support make it sound like british telecom is doing something weird by giving out a /56

[clear igloo]

Ah, yah, I've seen that too, when they get a /56 they balk

[waxen scroll]

@clear igloo IPv6 w/ VPC. What FHRP?

[tender hazel]

really really stupid

[clear igloo]

Anycast on the SVI? 😛

[plain siren]

I am the local ISP for my Neighborhood, but I use AT&T in case I lock myself out of my own Network for Configuration Purposes... Im so happy I dont have to share Easements with these idiots

One day Ima sell this company tho

[waxen scroll]

@clear igloo i betcha CVD is HSRP

[clear igloo]

In a non-fabric I think so

[waxen scroll]

not sure if we're going full ACI yet

i think we're gonna do most of it

network centric

[plain siren]

GLBP or HSRP it looks like

[clear igloo]

Any NSX-T at all?

[waxen scroll]

we tried app centric and its just a big pain in the ass

[clear igloo]

Ah, yah I've heard mixed things when people try that approach, some like it, others hate it

[waxen scroll]

we have NSX but I dunno the -T part

app centric is an admin nightmare

we'd need a ton of custom automation to really make the admin part go away

[clear igloo]

VMware NSX-T Data Center provides an agile software-defined infrastructure to build cloud-native application environments.
So many buzz words 😄

[plain siren]

NSX-V if it aint -T

[plain siren]

"SDN"

[clear igloo]

Yah, -T is apps and -V is SDN for vSphere

[waxen scroll]

i just make packets flow. I dont know what the server team does unless its brand new. NSX was here before me

[plain siren]

Wait.. I thought -T is the improvement of -V

THey were saying its a "Migration path from NSX-V" IIRC

[clear igloo]

Yah, -V is just network and -T is network + apps if I read it right

[waxen scroll]

they use a mix of ACS and nutanix stuff

err UCS?

[clear igloo]

Yah, UCS is server
ACS is the original pre-dates ISE for access control

[waxen scroll]

I havent ever stepped foot in any of our datacenters yet

been working over a year lmao

[clear igloo]

Haha, yah

[plain siren]

Find me an industry with more acryonyms than networking and IT (other than medical)

[waxen scroll]

its so bad I just know an acro and not what it stands for sometimes

[plain siren]

ikr

[peak cloak]

Aviation

[waxen scroll]

i love watching ATC videos for emergencies

[plain siren]

Hmm..... thats pretty damn close race right there, but ill give you that one.

[peak cloak]

Especially military

Ah yes, pickle means dropping a bomb

[plain siren]

"MilSpeak" as my Air Force friend calls it

[waxen scroll]

i dont know how their IT even works.... pretty sure they throw non-tech people at it and pray

[plain siren]

Military?

[waxen scroll]

yep

[plain siren]

In the US, Air Force does most of it.

[waxen scroll]

TIL

[plain siren]

That was almost my first job in fact

Air Force tried to poach me as a Civilian IT Contractor right out of HS

They do Cyber-Warfare with HLS apparently too

[waxen scroll]

you live near a base or something?

[plain siren]

They have a IT Command Office here in Houston

Its right next to the FBI Houston Office (About a block away)

This was during the time it was a race to secure critical networks from the rapidly growing WWW Cold-War Battlefield

[waxen scroll]

its always frustrated me that they choose military people w/ active security for tech work in government versus civs who know the tech well.

but if its all from AF then maybe they know?

[plain siren]

I think thats why Homeland Security gets involved, for that TS-SCI Shit

[waxen scroll]

i make way too much to consider government at this point unless I move to VHCOL

[plain siren]

I cant pass a piss test which is why I didnt get into it

The weed is a tool to allow me to make my artful designs, no weed, no design.... so no piss testing allowed >:|

[waxen scroll]

ive never had any

I'm waiting for all the legalization and legal processes to sort out

I dont wanna end up fired for it without the court backing it up

[plain siren]

I tell my employers straight up "I smoke weed" to get that shit out the way from the start

[waxen scroll]

last 4 jobs tested me v_v

[plain siren]

its become a "Dont Care" thing around here since if you do care... you wont find anyone to hire

[dry bronze]

Also nsx-v is about dead.

[thick minnow]

how do I view the iptables format?

[peak cloak]

Just giving example. I can find it in a bit

[thick minnow]

Recent had gotten a Ubiquiti Dream Router ( UDR-US-EU ) yes in beta still

I had found out that u can’t mesh it with another one if u wanted to unfortunately and the AP’s are a hassle to deal with sometimes so i didn’t want to deal with it .

I need some suggestions for the fastest and most reliable mesh wifi i can get my hands on . Anything helps

[peak cloak]

Mesh as in like wireless mesh, or just seamless roaming between wired APs

[thick minnow]

either or could work tbh , wireless or wired .

right now i have 2 eero pro 6 and it’s not cutting it at all

[peak cloak]

Tplink's omada system I heard is pretty good. I have one of their APs, but never messed with the roaming stuff.

[peak cloak]

Wired APs will always be better

[thick minnow]

any recommendations?

[peak cloak]

Omada can also do wireless mesh as well

[peak cloak]

Tplink omada APs

I have the eap225

Never really tested speeds or anything, because most of my things are wired anyway

[thick minnow]

i’ll check it out and get back to you , thank you

[glad pebble]

is this good place to ask about making NAS

[main flame]

Probably the most fitting channel for it

[glad pebble]

ok so.. is anyone here have an experience making NAS but Windows as Server but Linux as the client? I already successful until it need to ask user and password.. Adding credentials to windows and adding password below/above 8 character will just make it 8 characters that cant be shown.. Turned off the password sharing just gonna ask same thing..

dont ask me why i dont linux as the server..

[peak cloak]

why windows as nas

[glad pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-catcry-gif-19131995

the reason i dont want bother dual boot.. cuz the spare laptop need to run Windows cuz some proprietary shit from school that only works on windows.

[peak cloak]

ah so it's not a strict NAS

[glad pebble]

yes

[peak cloak]

just a computer "I just so happen to also sometimes use as a NAS"

understandable

[glad pebble]

yea

so can u help me

[main flame]

Sounds like you're just using SMB share?

[peak cloak]

yeah trying to look things up, but not seeing anything

[glad pebble]

yes

[main flame]

NTFS is likely the issue. You'll need to install NTFS support on your Linux client.

sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g

[glad pebble]

well i have?

the problems is asking for user and the pass

and idk what is the answer smh

[peak cloak]

wut? it's clearly a credentials issue for now

[main flame]

User and pass for Samba is always your login credentials

[glad pebble]

which login? windows or my linux

[peak cloak]

windows ofc

when trying to access the windows share

[main flame]

I assumed they would know to put in credentials when prompted for them.

[peak cloak]

they tried to create a seperate user

Adding credentials to windows and adding password below/above 8 character will just make it 8 characters that cant be shown

[glad pebble]

if MS account linked to my windows then i use my MS account there?

[peak cloak]

uhh, idk actually You use MS account to log into windows?

[glad pebble]

well yeah

[rocky badge]

https://superuser.com/a/740708

[glad pebble]

goodam it works lmao

using MS account and pass

now is just loading smh.. idk if this is my internet issue or just dolphin being shit or windows just being shit

oh my credentials just wrong lol

lemme use blob link

[thick minnow]

been looking at it but it’s basically just like UniFi , rather go with them but will definitely need help setting it up

[gusty dove]

My CenturyLink C3000Z has green DSL lights and a green/red alternating internet light, and apparently if it's been going for more than a minute (which it has) it says you might have to get your internet "translated". What does translated mean?

[peak cloak]

I mean yeah it's a unifi competitor which I like better imo

[thick minnow]

If i wanted to get 2 UniFi’s AP’s , what kind of switch would i need to power them and get them to have internet ? also what kind of Ap’s ? ( 1gig up and down isp )

Got a 2,800 sqft house so need something fast and reliable!

[peak cloak]

will never get gig over wifi

[thick minnow]

i know that , but still need something fast and something that’s not going to keep disconnecting clients

[peak cloak]

depends

do you want to have multiple networks over one cable, aka VLAN, to have seperate managment, etc. If so you need a managed switch. You defiantly want POE, just make sure it supplies the power the APs take, the newer ones may take more power and may need 802.3at. Most unifi things I guess are pretty good. You'll also need to run the controller on something or get a cloud key I think. @rocky badge knows more about unifi

[thick minnow]

i just need some help figuring out which Ap’s to get and what switch to get with them

[peak cloak]

well yeah, but it depends on what you want? You want vlans?

you still have the Dream Router?

[rocky badge]

Any PoE switch works as long as it’s 802.3af/at compliant

[thick minnow]

not with me atm

[rocky badge]

The U6 stuff is WiFi 6 which will get you around 600-800 (typical) but maximum Gig on WiFi, depend on config and environment

[peak cloak]

no but like will you use it in the network?

[thick minnow]

most likely not

[peak cloak]

hmm

you will need a cloud key then

it's usually either all unifi or not

[thick minnow]

also gonna be honest my first time messing with these kinds of things . just heard they’re the best bang for the buck . so no idea what a vlan is

[peak cloak]

ah ok. So basically vlans allow you to run multiple networks over one cable. I would get a managed switch so you can always configure vlans and other managed features when you eventually need/want them

and how many ports?

[thick minnow]

all i’m going to use ethernet for is 1 pc , everything else is wireless in my house

[peak cloak]

so 5 - 8 port?

[thick minnow]

around their , sure

also should i go with 2x2 or 4x4 ?

and what’s the difference between wave 1 and wave 2

[peak cloak]

wave 2 is newer and better

like mu-mimo

[thick minnow]

alright and 2x2 or 4x4 , just want something fast considering the speeds i’m able to get

or does it not matter which

[peak cloak]

I mean ofc it matters. I'm not too familiar with wifi but 4x4 will be able to serve more clients at a time better

[thick minnow]

is the unifi cloud key necessary

[dense moat]

Not with the new Dream Machines

You can also self-host the controller

Or use APs independently, with their mobile app

[thick minnow]

let’s say i get 2 Ap’s wifi 6 lite’s , would i need anything else besides a switch?

[dense moat]

For the best experience, yes. But it’s not strictly required.

https://help.ui.com/hc/en-us/articles/360012622613-UniFi-Network-Add-new-devices see “Setting up a standalone access point”

[thick minnow]

but if i have 2 Ap’s i’ll need the cloud key?

[peak cloak]

There's no webui on the APs unlike omada

Technically not, but for seamless roaming yes

This is what I mean where you either go all unifi or not

With dream router you can manage everything from one interface

[dense moat]

The dream router is an insane deal

[thick minnow]

i wanted to get 2 of them and mesh it but can’t unfortunately

[peak cloak]

Why

Just use access points

Router doesn't mean wifi

[meager ginkgo]

I wish that was true

[dense moat]

One + an AP?

[thick minnow]

get a UDR and an AP, the UDR has built in PoE ports to run APs, and has a built in cloudkey

if you want more APs tho, the UDR has two PoE ports so you could run two APs + the UDR, but any more than that would require one of their switches, such as the switch lite 16, or use one of their PoE injectors

[thick minnow]

thank y’all all

[rocky badge]

Check your TX radio interference/traffic :P

[crude scroll]

Hey guys, does anyone here know what is the difference between the TP-Link AX50 and the AX55?

I have only found one review of the AX55 so far online

Kind of worried if it isn't worth the extra expense over the AX50

[long thistle]

i'm using 2x bridged ax55 in my house but unfortunately i don't have any comparsion to ax50

[crude scroll]

Ok, so, so far the only differences i can find are that the AX55 has 516mb of RAM and the AX50 has 256mb of RAM, and the AX50 supports HT160 and the AX55 supports HE160

More ram should be better right?

[long thistle]

with many devices in network, yes

[crude scroll]

I think at most i have about 40 devices at the moment

[long thistle]

so answer is simple

[crude scroll]

I'm at a shop right now and the guy here recommended i take the AX20 because I'm already using a mesh network for most of my house, because he said the quad core processor would be better for me

Man i wish reviews for routers were as common as other tech stuff lmao

[long thistle]

the shop guy is there just for sell the product

[crude scroll]

True

[long thistle]

ax20 would offer worse wifi performance

especially through 2-3 walls

i will change my ax55s to ax73 anyway because of its wifi performance on whole one level

but for you ax55 should be much better than ax20

[crude scroll]

For me it would likely only be my bedroom and bathroom, plus maybe one more room. The rest of my house has a mesh network connected to the router via ethernet

But I'll keep that in mind

[pearl patio]

Does anybody know how to setup an OCZ Zdrive?
It might not be the right chat but last time somebody helped me with a server.

[pearl patio]

OCZ utility doesnt find any drive

[copper rover]

#tech-support

[waxen scroll]

all server talk, including windows, has moved to #linux

😄

[cunning lion]

Would a switch work without a router or does it require that funcationality to do anything?

[waxen scroll]

if we're talking about home networking, you'll only be able to talk to computers on that switch and nothing like internet

and you'll need to manage static IPs

[cunning lion]

Thats fine since that is what I would use the intranet connection for anyways AKA have a more stable in the home connection for things like Moonlight/Steams in home streaming

Moonlight is currently limited to like a 3mbps connection becuase of the garbage wifi I am stuck using

and parents decided to add mesh ontop of the crappy wifi from the combo modem/router

and yeah that 3mbps is still pretty unstable

The unit isn't one we lease from COmcast but one we purchased from Best Buy since Comcast killed our previous one with the change in internet from them

video and audio from websites works fine since that relies on buffering and thus you aren't likely to notice the dropped packets/connection

BUT you aree going to notice them BIG time when you do in home game streaming

[peak cloak]

depends on application. All it does it allow ethernet communication, aka layer 2. It won't give out IPs, do any routing, etc.

[cunning lion]

Only plan on a couple of ethernet cords plugged in at most

[peak cloak]

into what?

you would need to give those devices static IPs if there isn't a DHCP server on the same L2 network

[cunning lion]

2-3 and if I set a static IP address they should be able to see each other fine

[peak cloak]

yes, you could run a dhcp server to give out ips if you want

[cunning lion]

@peak cloak into a switch

[peak cloak]

?

[cunning lion]

Since that was my first question posted

[peak cloak]

no like switch into what devices

[cunning lion]

things like a couple of desktops and a laptop

[peak cloak]

I still don't understand why

what's the problem you are trying to solve

[cunning lion]

they all get internet via wifi currently BUT that isn't stable enough for things like moonlight/steams in home streaming

[peak cloak]

so could you just do?
Devices -> Switch -> Router

[cunning lion]

AKA my parents decided to go the stupid route

I currently have a single MOCA device here with mulitple ethernet ports and ZERO way to plug it into a router since I would need a second device and was hoping to make use of what I currently have until I can get the second one needed

All expect the router is in one room with the router in a completely different one

and we already have Direct TV wiring throughout the house and no longer have Direct TV so its sitting unused basically

So can you blame me for wnating to make use of what I currently have while I wait for the rest?

I was hoping to make use of my current adapter as a switch until I can get the second one and get things hooked up tot he router/modem

and thus it ends up devices>MOCA Adpater>Direct TV wiring> MOCA Adpter>Router/Modem in the long term BUT short term its Devices>Moca Adapter(acting as a basic switch)

@peak cloak hence me asking if its doable

[peak cloak]

I guess that would work. Just would need to set static IPs on the ethernet interfaces

[cunning lion]

Everything plugged in via ethernet is running Windows so that should be doable

In the future the older i5 3570k with 970 desktop will likely end up with Steam OS V3 tho

Will be a nice platform to be able to stream off of to the other devices I think

hence wanting a stable wired connection for it

[snow lance]

best 1 gbps switch? preferably cheap

is this one good enough

what about this one

currency is dkk btw

[little schooner]

I personally use the dlink 5port rn for my mom's home. it's never crashed on me ever and has been up for 4 years straight

[waxen scroll]

i use cheap ubnt 24 port

[peak cloak]

one other annoying thing about routeros I found is how it's "non uniform"

so in edgeos/routeros/junos I can do
set interfaces ethernet eth0 address 192.168.1.1/24
then
delete interfaces ethernet eth0 address 192.168.1.1/24

no such thing exists in routeros

need to find ID, then do ip address remove <ID>

[low pond]

I should learn RouterOS soon too, just got a mikrotik, Juan helped me set a basic setup up. But I'll be messing with it more soon

[peak cloak]

yeah

trying to learn automation with ansible as well

[low pond]

Oo ansible :P

[peak cloak]

found this nice blog about network automation with various OSshttps://yetiops.net/posts/ansible-for-networking-part-6-mikrotik-routeros/#setup

[low pond]

Interesting :0

[waxen scroll]

its too annoying for me to use

most of my work is one offs

[peak cloak]

yeah with one offs sure, I assume it makes life easier in the long run deploying things, etc.

[thick minnow]

soo my ps5 cant connect to my wifi and gives me the error code NW-102308-4 , i found an articel but i still cant resolve it. wifi works on literally every other device on the network and it did work on the ps5 too till an hour ago.

https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/support/error-codes/ps5/nw-102308-4/

[true thorn]

@thick minnow have you tried rebooting your router

[thick minnow]

i restarted everything

the ps5 gets an ip and everything

100% signal strength on 5ghz

[thick minnow]

now an ipad also stopped having internet connection

anyone got an idea?

[orchid anvil]

Reset network settings

[faint bronze]

Try a wire.

[long thistle]

he should definetly try lightning -> fiber optic adapter

[rustic cosmos]

anyone has any tips for good routers that support sim cards?

We have one at the cottage and frankly it sucks

[waxen scroll]

hmmm well commercially a lot of people use cradlepoints

cost as much as UBNT from what I recall and work fine

oof. never mind. the new 5G stuff is $800-2000

[sinful anchor]

i've got a razer blade 15 and like i need 10gb/s

sooo how am i suposed to do ?

[blissful verge]

https://www.amazon.com/CalDigit-Connect-10G-Thunderbolt-Ethernet/dp/B07RH7VPDF/

[snow lance]

what is this wds stuff

[peak cloak]

https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/WDS_repeater_example

[waxen scroll]

you should make an account and contribute

/ ip adress add

oof.

[snow lance]

yeah I read that but didn't understand it

is it kinda like mesh but bridge shit?

cuz then I would want that

[peak cloak]

wireless repeating it seems

[snow lance]

my dad told me mesh splits the bandwidth per link

[snow lance]

ah so like if you had a router but no cable

[peak cloak]

well true mesh technically uses a dedicated link for backhaul

wireless repeaters don't

[snow lance]

well rn we have kinda got a split up WiFi

we have our main (my mikrotik), my old router in ap in my room, some router in the hallway which is not in ap (seperate WiFi), and a last router which we want in ap for the kitchen but it's not up

currently the one in ap on my room shows up seperately with same name

and the 5ghz is also there seperately

it's a bit of a mess lmao

how do you like make them all ap and like smart

[primal ice]

buy new wifi 6 equipment.

[sinful anchor]

cost sooo much

[clear igloo]

Thunderbolt is your only option for 10Gbps

[sinful anchor]

yeah i know but like idk 200€ for that

damn that's hard

[peak cloak]

do you really need 10gig

[sinful anchor]

i need to connect to my 12tb ascsi server

to install some app and stuffso i need big connection

on ethernet cable

[toxic abyss]

Anyone have a rec for how to extend wifi throughout my apartment with a long ethernet connection? We have a lot of bricks so from the kitchen (where the modem/router is) to the bedroom goes through 4 brick walls, and the connection is pretty week by that point. I just bought a TP-link AC1750 RE450, but that's just a wifi signal booster with an ethernet output, I'm looking for the reverse where it's an ethernet input to a wifi output. Thanks!

[peak cloak]

what you are looking for is an Wireless Access Point

[toxic abyss]

I actually just found that there's a way to setup the TP-Link thing I got as an access point not a wireless extender! Looks like it's working well so far

[peak cloak]

tp-link omada is good, unifi is too, for the high end, you have ruckus among others

[thick minnow]

just installed docker on my arm nas even tho its not supported officially lol for a second pihole dns server 🙃

[elder lodge]

not sure if this comes under networking but oh well

basically im having issues while trying to connect to a remote desktop when i try to connect with the correct ip/username i get stuck on configuring remote session... then it says this computer cannot connect to this remote session or something any idea's why or how i can fix this?

[long thistle]

it's wireless bridge

you can wirelessly connect two routers to one network

[meager ginkgo]

https://www.telecompetitor.com/comcast-docsis-4-0-test-puts-fiber-broadband-competitors-on-notice/ this is older but still quite interesting

[livid aspen]

I wonder how far out this tech is.

[little schooner]

It can't come fast enough. I want better upload speed now :/

[livid aspen]

Oh no. They still give you 10 up 😉

[little schooner]

Also, I'm so happy that I created openvpn server site to site vpn with nothing but the openvpn binaries on edgerouter and config file

i can put that pfsense box to rest

[meager ginkgo]

hehe

[little schooner]

i wish!

I hope by next year

[meager ginkgo]

only thing that sucks about this is that I have to use AT&T's router/gateway combo

[livid aspen]

Well it’s a top down kind of thing. Like the whole network has to support greater speeds.

But the government is printing money for better home internet.

[meager ginkgo]

If DOCSIS 4 can give me gigabit download and upload reliably with low ping i'll gladly switch from my fiber, so I can use my own router, otherwise nope.

[livid aspen]

It’s kind of fff that starlink had to come along to force competition.

[meager ginkgo]

yeah. It would be great if DOCSIS 4 actually works out to be what it seems to be

[long thistle]

can't you clone mac address of that?

or sth

[meager ginkgo]

It uses special certificates to authenticate. I can use my own router in IP Passthrough mode though

you can also bypass it but you need compatible equipment + certs

[long thistle]

that sucks

[meager ginkgo]

yep

[long thistle]

with my isp

i can use my own routers and anything i just want

[meager ginkgo]

Well, I use my own router but I still have to leave my own router connected to AT&T's gateway instead of directly connected to the ONT

[livid aspen]

I ones had a dsl modem directly attached to Att. Trying to get them to give me the settings to input was a super pain.

But at least I could run my own test. But it also made it harder to get support. Because they couldn’t test from both ends. And always wanted to blame my hardware.

[low pond]

There is a way to even bypass that, Rouing knows, pretty sure he even explained it in the case of ATT

@plain siren wasn't there a way to bypass ATT's modem?

[plain siren]

yes

[plain siren]

You can bypass this.

[thick minnow]

i remember the first time i got fiber

[meager ginkgo]

nice ping

[meager ginkgo]

yeah I know, but I need compatible equipment. And I don't wanna do the dumb switch method

[thick minnow]

[clear igloo]

@meager ginkgo Why no 5Gbps? 😛

[long thistle]

wait

[clear igloo]

AT&T rolled it out like two weeks ago in my area

[clear igloo]

?

lol, that's all AT&T offers here 😦

[long thistle]

wait i have better

[clear igloo]

But is that your home connection is the question?
I know a lot of European countries offer 10Gbps to the home for dirt cheap, so just wondering

[long thistle]

yes, that's my home connection

[clear igloo]

Nice 🙂

[long thistle]

with new 10 gig router delivered today

[clear igloo]

There are a few towns in the US that offer 10Gbps residential but it's few and very far between sadly

[long thistle]

i'm paying 214 PLN monthly

which is 52.55 USD

[clear igloo]

Yah, you guys get it so cheap too 😦

[long thistle]

yeah

[exotic prairie]

laughs in Romanian 10gbps internet here is like 12$/month

[final hearth]

How y'all getting 10 gbps and the max i can get is 30 mbps

[nimble fractal]

bruh I pay (more accurately my mom pays) slightly less than 100 USD for 100gb of this (plus unlimited data at max 5mbps when the 100gb is done)

anyway I came here to say I just found out that on Win11 apparently you can force your PC to use DNS-over-HTTPS on providers that support it. simply manually set your DNS in settings(not control panel)

completely natively and simply

[final hearth]

Dns over https stops isp's spying or some shit right?

[dry bronze]

Yes, encrypted between client and DNS provider so noone in the middle sees the request.

[peak cloak]

well not completly but yes

[little schooner]

I will wish for this even more

but, when do you think ubnt releases a cheaper XG version of there edgerouter?

[clear igloo]

Not sure

[little schooner]

Comcast does offer 2gbps here

but would like to get a router that can do that or more

[clear igloo]

Yah but it's double the price per month of what I pay + an install fee

[little schooner]

yeah 😵

pricey

[rocky badge]

It’s actually 2Gbps+1Gbps service with static v4 and /48 v6 on each service.

2Gbps is served over SFP+ and 1Gbps over normal RJ45 lol

I believe they’re actually raising it to 3Gbps on the faster service.

[low pond]

I thought it jumped like 1G, 10G, 25G, 40G, 50G, 100G, 400G, 800G, 1Tb

1Tb transceivers are still not a common standard right?

[peak cloak]

well for sfp-type connectors yeah

but actual bandwidth for you is less

[low pond]

Hm, fair. even in actual bandwidth wise I've usually seen 1G ==> 10G ===> 25G

[peak cloak]

I mean it's the same as normal service, we don't jump from 100mbps to gig

[clear igloo]

800Gb and then 1.6Tb actually

then 3.2Tb and 6.4Tb, it would have been 400G >> 1TB >> 10TB if we kept up like we did from 1 >> 10 >> 40/100 but sadly it's not 😦

dang laws of physics and stuff! shakes fist at the cloud

[low pond]

😦 where's my unlimited/second transciver

[clear igloo]

lol

[low pond]

The 800G transceivers are crazy like they are 7k$ in FS, they basically have a computer in itself kek

[clear igloo]

Yah, 1Tb doesn't really exist because of SERDES and whatnot. 112Gb SERDES currently and then I think it's like 256Gb SERDES next

Or there will be some but more backhaul and other type stuff (there are 600Gb things out now as well in limited areas like Verizon's backhaul and whatnot)

[low pond]

I see mmm

[clear igloo]

You should see first party 400gb ZR+ transceiver costs (list price not actual of course) 😄
Some of them are like 500km or longer iirc and they're as much as a house

[low pond]

JFCCCCCC
You know the "Scientist discovered fastest Internet" stuff (actually just amazing Multimode tech), I wonder how much they cost as a whole, some of them push many Tb/s in one strand

[clear igloo]

I'm sure in total you're looking at tons of money (millions in grants usually)

Of course we might not see transceivers much longer either

I would be shocked if they stuck around much past the 1.6Tb or 3.2Tb era

With co-packaged optics we'll probably see that move into the switches instead for lower heat and better efficiency

[little schooner]

so they are already taking away speed your paying for. that sucks

it doesn't have another sfp+?

[rocky badge]

??

[rocky badge]

It has 2 XE ports

[amber hornet]

not sure if this should be here or not... but whats the best way to remote desktop into another PC on your network, staying local

[rocky badge]

You’re paying for 2Gbps, and effectively get 3Gbps of service

And for some, might be all, customers, they’re bumping the 2Gbps line to 3Gbps for free

[little schooner]

oh I thought I read only one xe and one gbit

OK pretty good then

[little schooner]

for windows: remote desktop

[magic canyon]

iirc you need to be running Windows Pro in order to use remote desktop. If you are running windows home, just use the free version of teamviewer

I am putting together a plex server and want to be able to copy the media files from the PC that is doing the encoding to the plex server. these are both on my home network and I have turned on all the file sharing options I can find, or that I found mentioned on line. I can find nothing that explains what permission I need to change to allow access to PC A from PC B :/ I get this message when I try to access the shared drive:

[peak cloak]

from what I remember there are ways to get around that easily

[magic canyon]

easy is relative 🙂 I found this article and it seems to me that just using teamviewer is safer and easier
https://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-to-use-windows-10-remote-desktop-in-windows-home-rdp

[peak cloak]

issue I have with teamviewer is that it goes through the cloud (their servers) no?

[magic canyon]

when the PC is local I could not say for sure, but it works as well as any remote desktop i've used

[cinder canopy]

Question about my ISP

How legal is it for one of their contractors(phone sales overflow) to promise fiber and install a coaxial based connection?

With a 35 upload speed as opposed to a gig

Happened on 2/3 sales calls for a new customer

[true nova]

not

approximately not legal

[cinder canopy]

Is there a way to get them to do anything though?

It’s Windstream-Owned Lexcomm Communications for anyone wondering

[peak cloak]

it's fiber at some point

[cinder canopy]

When I called their phone number the rep was even dumb enough to list fiber on the original order

So that paper trail was at least enough to get them to launch an investigation into the two new accounts that the contractors(DirectTV) lied about fiber availability for

Our area

[peak cloak]

what a mess

[long thistle]

Have you tried to report a network failure to them and then ask your ISP's technician for a separate ONT when a he arrives?

[meager ginkgo]

I have a seperate ONT

[peak cloak]

ATT is weird. IIRC it has a seperate ONT, but requires AT&T Router for authencication

[meager ginkgo]

Nowadays their new router has an ONT built in with no way to bypass

But I have the older router

BGW320 is the new model

I have the BGW210 + ONT

[peak cloak]

with att tho you can hack your way into using your own sfp fiber module I think

[meager ginkgo]

nope

[peak cloak]

@plain siren I think know more

he was talking about it before

ik people have done it

[meager ginkgo]

You need to have a seperate ONT to bypass

[plain siren]

If you have the BGW-210 or anythign but the new 3XX Series, you can do it

The all in one new BGW you cant yet

I am working on it though

but yes, if you have the Segregated ONT + Gateway, you can

The Gateway does 802.1X Certificate Based Authentication over VLAN 0 to the ONT

[meager ginkgo]

Speaking of AT&T my grandma got this in the mail today

[plain siren]

What we do is rollback the Firmware on the Gateway to one that we do a Root Exploit on

[meager ginkgo]

I attempted to do that on my BGW210 it failed

I forgot the error

[plain siren]

You have a BGW-210?

[meager ginkgo]

Yep

I can't use the bypass anyways because my router doesn't support certificates

[peak cloak]

I got things from T-Mobile, it was for their 4g LTE internet

[plain siren]

Oh shit.... you got the new rollout

They are moving to a new auth based system

[plain siren]

You would install wpa_supplicant to the router

or you can use a "Dummy Switch"

[meager ginkgo]

I can't do that on my ER605 by TPLink

It's an Omada router

[peak cloak]

omada routers suck

[meager ginkgo]

I've had no issues with mine

[peak cloak]

for the same price you can get an ER-X or HEX

[plain siren]

https://www.amazon.com/NanoPi-Allwinner-Computer-Router-Ethernet/dp/B083NVP44W/

[peak cloak]

with more features

[plain siren]

I usually put this in the middle to do it

[meager ginkgo]

Eh IP Passthrough works fine for me

so I have no reason

[peak cloak]

@plain siren has anyone tried to break Verizon FiOS's GPON?

[meager ginkgo]

FIOS IIRC can use any router directly connected to the ONT

[peak cloak]

yes

i'm just curious

cuz it's bulky

[plain siren]

There is a workgroup started march this year to do it, we got a working PoC but its difficult to achieve, so I can say "We are close"

We know its provisioned with TR-069, We can intercept those SNMP Commands

[peak cloak]

now altice fiber is a PITA

[meager ginkgo]

another reason I don't do the bypass is I don't want it to randomly break when AT&T upgrades my area to XGS-PON

[plain siren]

The XGS-PON requires a whole new router

[peak cloak]

only All-In-One option

[plain siren]

The BGW-320

[meager ginkgo]

I read up on DOCSIS 4.0 yesterday, now I'm all excited for that even though I have Fiber 🤣

[peak cloak]

I just want v6

and I'll be happy

[plain siren]

Yeah we have gone far with Coax tbh

[peak cloak]

honestly fios isn't that bad, compared all the other stuff I've heard with other providers

but v6, cmon

[meager ginkgo]

Luckily I have ethernet everywhere in the home so I can utilize my full gigabit

[plain siren]

ARIN and IANA and ICANN need to hurry up and strip the ISP's v4 Blocks faster

[peak cloak]

I only have 300/300, no real need for gigabit

[meager ginkgo]

also got some U6-Pro APs but they dont go over 600mbps

[peak cloak]

well wifi.. is wifi

I have everything that needs bandwidth wired

[meager ginkgo]

Same here besides an outdoor tv

[peak cloak]

streaming doesn't take too much either

[meager ginkgo]

It'll be fun when people complain about 8K streaming 😛

[plain siren]

Well, Open Connect Appliances setup by the ISP's are supposed to help with that

Netflix, Hulu, YTTV, Sling, Peacock, Disney+, and Philo offer them and low or no cost

[peak cloak]

well at a user level

their bad wifi

[meager ginkgo]

Just found out my Grandma has 0 coax wiring in her 1985 home somehow

[plain siren]

Honestly, I wish ISP's would just setup a drop and then let the Consumer pick a router

[plain siren]

Coax back then wouldve been a luxury

Everything wouldve been OTA

[meager ginkgo]

I've seen older homes with coax prewired

[plain siren]

Yeah, if you could afford it.

[meager ginkgo]

Well, she's never had internet at her house either.. somehow..

always used cellular

[plain siren]

She grew up in that house?

[meager ginkgo]

No. Bought it in her 20-30s

she's in her 60's now

[plain siren]

Lived a modest life prob.

[meager ginkgo]

Thinking about it she did have AOL

But that was dial up

[plain siren]

I had NetZero which turned into SBC Global

I still have my SBC Global Email

[plain siren]

You know whats funny, you can setup a Dialup Server

If you have VoIP, you can bridge it to your PBX And then use it sort of like a VPN kek

[meager ginkgo]

lol

[little schooner]

they have a local mode but by default it's set to reject Lan connections

[plain siren]

Im surprised Teamviewer is still relevant

[opaque stirrup]

if a modem /router gets too warm would the speeds drop or would it just not work

[plain siren]

Speeds would tank first

[opaque stirrup]

even like a basic isp router?

[plain siren]

Especially the ISP Router

The ISP Routers are like Primary Victim #1 to Overheat issues

adding a fan does wonders

[opaque stirrup]

i have a ups, a raspberry pi, an external drive and 2 routers in the one small space so like they are all warm to the touch i might just got a hole out the tv unit

[plain siren]

Oh they are in a Media Cabinet?

[opaque stirrup]

my isp sent me a new fancy modem with like 2.5gigabit ports and wifi 6 but it didnt work right and just caused me issues the problem is i had that device sitting out on display as it looked really nice but the replacement older model looks so horrible i just threw it in the media cabinet lmao

[plain siren]

https://www.amazon.com/AC-Infinity-AIRPLATE-Cooling-Cabinets/dp/B009CNR0I6
or
https://www.amazon.com/AC-Infinity-AIRPLATE-Cooling-Cabinets/dp/B01MRS2HE7/
do really well

[plain siren]

What ISP and Modem Model?

[opaque stirrup]

this was the new hub 5

[plain siren]

ISP?

[opaque stirrup]

i cant say the name or it censors me

this is the hub 4 🤢

basically had 3 engineers come out and say the box was faulty eventually the last guy just switched it out and didnt even try trouble shoot anything as hes just had to keep going back to other people aswell

[plain siren]

are you on Coax?

[opaque stirrup]

docsis 3.1 was the hub 5

https://community.virginmedia.com/t5/Digital-life/Hub-5-Our-first-ever-WiFi-6-broadband-router/ba-p/4886299/redirect_from_archived_page/true

[opaque stirrup]

you either go coax in the uk and get really good speeds with loads of issues or go with adsl and get a max speed of 70mbps unless your area gets fibre to the property

[plain siren]

Most issues with Coax are due to the TAP which splits everyone off being rusted/ruined or an upstream neighbor not having a solid connection causing noise

[opaque stirrup]

or get a 5g modem but you need to live in a 5g area

yeah i was looking into it and the hub 5 they gave me had perfect downstreet db and power level things according to some forum so i assume the router just had some issues that caused it to throttle down to 40mbps after like 1 hour of gigabit speeds

im just gonna need to find some decent cheap router/firewall with no wifi stuff just to be in the middle of the modem and my mesh wifi to do all the dhcp and port forwarding because they both suck at it

[plain siren]

I call them "AIO Routers"

All in one

[opaque stirrup]

https://www.4gon.co.uk/ubiquiti-edgemax-edgerouter-x-erx-p-6433.html

i was looking at this but idk someone said some other brand

[plain siren]

Does everything..... everything badly though

[opaque stirrup]

lmao

something like that because if you google router you get gaming routers with 46 different wifi antennas

[plain siren]

most of those are fake antennas

And the best part of that kinda shit is... even if they werent, you would end up causing front end overload

[opaque stirrup]

i dont know why mesh isnt as popular though im talking like hard wired not mesh wifi that uses wifi as the backbone

[plain siren]

Thats how I do it:

Router > Switch > Multiple AP's

Its not actually mesh, thats just standard Wi-Fi AP Layout

[opaque stirrup]

do you know anything similar to the edge router from some other brand

[plain siren]

Mikrotik has some options

[plain siren]

Honestly, Wi-Fi Backbone Based Mesh is trash

[opaque stirrup]

i have them all wired to ethernet

[plain siren]

What is your AP's?

[opaque stirrup]

tp link deco m4 x3

[plain siren]

One option is something like pfSense or OPNSense on your own hardware

[opaque stirrup]

i was looking into that but its just a bit beyond me i know ubiquiti is user friendly from some of the photos ive seen

[plain siren]

Their EdgeRouter series is going EOL IIRC

Yes Ubiquiti is User Friendly if you use their entire ecosystem

[opaque stirrup]

im just gonna cut out the back panel of the media unit to give it some fresh air and then look into something in the future lmao

[plain siren]

Throw a 120mm fan on it

[plain siren]

or one of these

[opaque stirrup]

is it not a bit overkill 💀

its cooling a pi and 2 routers

[plain siren]

No, its perfect

[peak cloak]

I have that

I like it , except for the fact ipv6 hardware acceleration is broken

But other then that, it's great

[opaque stirrup]

my isp doesnt have ipv6 anyway lmao

[plain siren]

This is so damn annooooyiiiinnnggg

[peak cloak]

Do you know if it's only a cavium problem?

Not a mediatek

Since mediatek has more acceleration options

[plain siren]

Some Marvell SoC's too

[peak cloak]

Cuz I was thinking of getting a edgerouter lite

[plain siren]

Mediatek has their shit together now

[peak cloak]

I have a HEX S, but idk I'm not a fan of routeros

[plain siren]

im slowly starting to dislike Mikrotik more and more

I mean, I get it... Lets you modify and configure all fucking aspects of the network with minimal assumption, but its FUGLY, Complex, and overall a mess

[peak cloak]

Planning to use the hex to replace this ubiquiti Poe powered switch since it's stupid and needs a unifi controller

[peak cloak]

Ikr, that's what I noticed it's such a mess

I also like the way edgeos/vyos/junos work

I find the cli clean

and easy to use

[plain siren]

I wish it would be easier to DIY your own switch hardware

[peak cloak]

in what way?

[plain siren]

You can build a Switch with multiple PCIe Nic's but its.... big at that point

[peak cloak]

and $$$

[plain siren]

Its easy to make a router though

[peak cloak]

@plain siren do you know if backblaze blocks digital ocean?

cuz I've been at this for like a couple days on and off trying to get backups to work

[plain siren]

They shouldnt be

[peak cloak]

rclone allows binding to a ip

restic doesn't to my knowledge

[plain siren]

I think it might be the other way around however

[peak cloak]

maybe

cuz I have 2 interfaces on my VM, one home WAN, one vps WAN

works on one, not the other

also it's weird, minecraft bedrock works when port forwarding normally, but not through a VPS, it's really weird. Players connect, but then get timed out

[plain siren]

Sounds like it gets the Auth Packet

Then it fails

I know if you have a "Jump box"-esque Proxy for Minecraft Bedrock, you have to use specially designed Proxy Service Software

It handles the Translation

[peak cloak]

well it's all network level, java works just fine

[plain siren]

https://github.com/Sandertv/gophertunnel/blob/master/main.go
LIke this for example

[peak cloak]

hmm

[plain siren]

https://github.com/Sandertv/gophertunnel/blob/master/config.toml

[peak cloak]

I just don't get why it would fail

[plain siren]

Whats cool is how Minecraft has websocket servers now

[peak cloak]

yeah but but that's just like a proxy. What I'm doing is I have a vyos instance in DO, it connects to ER-X via wireguard. ER-X has some simple PBR, so everything on VLAN 200, has a next-hop of the wireguard tunnel IP of the DO vyos instance

It really puzzles me

disregard the red arrow, but this is basically https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/387022787480387605/920346100693606440/unknown.png

[plain siren]

holy shit

Really pushing the whole Tunnel/WAN Acceleration thing to the limit huh

[peak cloak]

it's wireguard so doesn't have any HW acceleration I think?, I never did a speed test

[plain siren]

WAN Acceleration is a Route Table Optimization and Link Compression thing

But it looks somewhat like what you are doing at a high level

[peak cloak]

never heard of it

[peak cloak]

what's missing here is that server is also connected to an IP which has the next-hop to my normal WAN

[plain siren]

So yeah, the Static-Routing should be entirely transparent to the server, but for some reason their introduction breaks things

Is what I am understanding here

[peak cloak]

I guess

[tender hazel]

I don't quite understand this point of view I guess

[plain siren]

Stupid question, you using any iptables rules?

Like DNAT

[peak cloak]

only on the VPS

[plain siren]

And if so... are you DNATing TCP and UDP? I know Java Edition MC uses TCP only and Bedrock uses UDP and TCP

[tender hazel]

What about it is a mess?

[peak cloak]

yeah ik, I'm forwarding both UDP and TCP for the bedrock port. When players join I see the udp traffic and the communication. Then it just times out

[plain siren]

Which side is the Wireguard Server?

The ER-X or the VPS

[peak cloak]

So far I've just found it to be hard to learn to use. I've picked up something like vyos quickly, it's pretty self explanitory. Set to set, delete to delete, etc. Maybe it's a learning curve thing, idk. Also, how configuration and "operational" commands are mixed doesn't help

@tender hazel

[peak cloak]

I have them pointing at each other, and both are open. So both basically

[tender hazel]

I'm not exactly sure why mikrotik combined configuration and operational commands

but on mikrotik "add" adds something, "set" changes an existing thing, and "remove" deletes it

I would say most people working in routeros work in winbox more than the command line

and the command line is mostly useful for validating a config or configuring a new router based on the config of another one as a template

[peak cloak]

isn't it that you have to find the ID of the address to delete it

[peak cloak]

ah

[tender hazel]

b/c in routeros there are almost no settings at all that you can't do from winbox

in cisco routers and other routers, the web UI gives you only some of the settings, and you have to go to the CLI for full control

but mikrotik exposes basically every single CLI setting in the GUI, so you don't have to drop down to the CLI for anything if you don't want to

it is different from ubiquiti's approach with edgerouter, where they have a very limited GUI where you have to go to the CLI to do most things

[peak cloak]

I've been using vyos a lot which is cli only, so I've also just been doing most things in cli on edgerouter as well

[tender hazel]

yeah, and I started off using cisco where you have to do everything from the CLI

and only went to mikrotik later

the power of a tool like winbox though is the snapshot that it gives you of what a router is doing at a certain time

you can see the packets per second and bits per second of all your interfaces at once in one window, and be changing configuration elsewhere in another window

and you can have a terminal window open if you want to copy paste things to CLI or do other things in the CLI

being able to get that feedback in real time can be extremely helpful

[plain siren]

For me RouterOS is just... Clunky

[tender hazel]

it is especially helpful to have something like winbox if you don't know what options the device has - it is nicer to be able to find out what options are available from a GUI vs. having to hit ?

[plain siren]

Powerful as it may be, its not very streamlined

[tender hazel]

can you give an example?

[peak cloak]

adding vlan

took me a bit

[tender hazel]

depends on the scenario

if all you want to do is add a VLAN? interface->VLAN->add

you give the VLAN a name, you give it an ID number, done

but I'm guessing you must mean there must be more to that if that didn't work

[plain siren]

Well, for example, You create a Bridge in one place, modify the default VLAN in another, then have to go back and create Interface for your VLANs which you have to go back and add to your bridge in the Bridge Menu/Subwindow or whatever.

The whole process itself is clunky.

While, I do understand why it is done that way as its the way the Logical Network is laid out in the literal sense...

Keeping everything in view is hard and makes it difficult to keep up with as your complexity of the network increases

[tender hazel]

so the split here is done very similar to Cisco

Cisco has switch VLANs as something separate from VLAN interfaces

you create VLAN interfaces for VLANs that the device actually needs IPs on

[plain siren]

Yeah, the abstraction is super similar

[tender hazel]

and you create VLANs as the layer 2 entities

[plain siren]

But for me it isnt the abstraction itself but the way you interact with the abstraction

[tender hazel]

the biggest difference, and the cause of the most confusion, on the routerOS side is where you have to actually add something to connect the VLAN (on layer 2) to the VLAN interface, which is done by Cisco automatically

[plain siren]

I actually like this about Mikrotik, its one of those things I mentioned where it "Assumes NOTHING"

Can do some cool shit

[tender hazel]

the mikrotik VLAN support seems bad until you actually look at what they had before they added bridge VLAN filtering

that was super complicated

bridge vlan filtering is a huge improvement

you used to have to create a bridge for each VLAN

[sudden kayak]

if i can someday get a working ER-X.... my understanding is edgeOS is basically just debian with some extra hardware offloading, right?

[tender hazel]

and so I'm wondering how you feel this could be improved

[peak cloak]

not just debian

it has a lot of custom cli and stuff

if you want to look at something similar, take a look at vyos's cli, it's very similar

they are both based on vyatta iirc

[sudden kayak]

yeah hm

[peak cloak]

and vyos uses debian as a base

[plain siren]

I... would have to actually think about this.

[tender hazel]

edgerouter is pretty useless at an ISP level.. all ISPs that I have seen that started with edgerouter moved to mikrotik later.. for home it might be ok though

[sudden kayak]

almost tempted to abandon this ER-X and get one of the nanopi router boxes

[plain siren]

R4S is powerful as f

[sudden kayak]

well yeah, that's why "edge" is in the name

[plain siren]

They shoved a whole RK3399 on it

[sudden kayak]

yeah im tempted

i got this ER-X with the micro center no questions asked replacement plan so if they have stock i can get a new working one for no more money

but at this point, "if they have stock" is a big question

[tender hazel]

I mean, realize that if you try to simplify things too much by limiting the ways you can use something, there are going to be a whole wackload of existing users who are super angry that they can't do this weird setup they had before

[peak cloak]

slap vyos on it, wonder how fast it would be

[plain siren]

I don't aim to simplify but improve interaction streamline

[tender hazel]

you can see this right now in mikrotik's new route filtering syntax in routerOS v7

they emulated Cisco's syntax from IOS-XR with if-then-else

[plain siren]

It is able to run Windows 11 ARM and Android 11 already

[tender hazel]

and tons of mikrotik users hate it with a passion and are demanding mikrotik revert to their routeros v6 syntax

[plain siren]

Also OpenWRT ran super fast too

I can compile VyOS for it and give it a run

[tender hazel]

after spending like more than two years on the new syntax I can't see mikrotik doing that

[plain siren]

Yeah but it still feels clunky to me

This is something I can only tell you how I feel about experience wise but I cant tell you what I would do in response since this requires tons of UI/UX Design R&D

I would have to think about it for a while

[plain siren]

I have quite a few RK3399 Based SBC's, and its kinda whack the stuff you can pull on them

Allwinner H3 Based ones too are also fast

[tender hazel]

I also have to say that a lot of what people find clear or confusing depends on their previous experience

[sudden kayak]

actually honestly for my home connection, nanopi r2s is probably more than enough

[tender hazel]

in addition to working in networking I am also a composer

[sudden kayak]

r4s might be overkill lol... probably will invest in that one when i redo my parents home networking tho

[tender hazel]

and there is a notation program that a lot of composers are moving towards because it is so much more powerful, Dorico

[plain siren]

I dont base my opinions based on personal preference or "UX Lockin", I know how to abstract myself from it

Thats unfair to anything new I try

[tender hazel]

but the UI is so different than what people are used to for "notation programs" and it doesn't do what they would expect given the program they are used to, they find it unintuitive and complain about it immediately

[plain siren]

Open mind, Fair Response

[tender hazel]

but people who are new to the software don't have such complaints

usually it stems more from frustration "I am used to this hotkey, it doesn't do what I want in this new program by default"

[plain siren]

To me thats approaching flawed from the start due to "Apples vs Oranges"

[plain siren]

NEO3 is good too

[peak cloak]

i'm trying to clear thinking about what other OSs do and just learn routeros. I'll def keep working on learning

[sudden kayak]

for a router? neo3 looks like a nice board but routing with only one NIC is a pain

[tender hazel]

the thing is with routeros that a lot of users love it for its flexibility

in that you can do anything you want with it

[plain siren]

Fucking VyOS Aint got ARM64 builds

[tender hazel]

you can't take a cisco switch and make it two switches, but routeros? you can do that

[plain siren]

"Router on a Stick"

[tender hazel]

may not be a good reason to do that but you can do that

[peak cloak]

not yet sadly

yet

[tender hazel]

and the issue is creating a GUI that allows for the flexibility while still being clearly laid out

if you make something more flexible it is going to be more complicated

[sudden kayak]

no i know, it's just a pain and probably comes out at the same price as the r4s once i factor in a managed switch

don't have any to spare in my house rn

[faint bronze]

I thought that was possible with interfaces being clan tagged and a managed switch.

[sudden kayak]

hmmm probably gonna see if micro center will be able to replace the ER-X and if not go with r2s

[tender hazel]

Really? are you telling me that on a single Cisco Catalyst switch (running Cisco IOS) that you can create two different VLANs with ID 44 on different groups of ports and have them treated like entirely different VLANs?

[peak cloak]

there's this community thing https://github.com/mcbridematt/vyos-arm64-builder

[tender hazel]

so that essentially you have two different VLAN 44's on the same switch?

[plain siren]

I was just looking at that

[tender hazel]

I haven't seen a cisco switch that can do that

[sudden kayak]

but also consider: if you find yourself wanting to do that, you should take a step back and reconsider

[tender hazel]

oh of course

[sudden kayak]

i can't think of any possible scenario where "i want two different vlan 44s depending on which half of the switch you're on" would be anything but a horrible idea lol... and im not sure I'd base my choice on letting me do that kind of thing

[tender hazel]

why would you want to do that.. but the moment you take the feature away, you get hundreds of people saying "no! we had this ability before and you took it away! we needed this!"

[peak cloak]

offical arm is in dev from what they say

[tender hazel]

or thousands of people

[plain siren]

Open Networking is going to be our savior

[tender hazel]

or even more

[sudden kayak]

i mean, taking away a working legacy feature is one thing, but i would argue not allowing the user to do something extremely weird could just as well be seen as a deliberate design choice

[tender hazel]

it is also a little more complicated in mikrotik's case because the switch ports are not necessarily only physical ports

they could be tunnels, of any layer 2 type

so if you have a switch that also has layer 2 tunnels going through it, do you want to be restricted to using the same VLANs with the layer 2 tunneling as for the normal switching

[sudden kayak]

arguably if you're a business evaluating different hardware providers for your infrastructure, you might say "this brand of professional gear doesn't let our network engineers do extremely weird obscure stuff that might cause huge headaches down the line" and consider that a point in its favor

[plain siren]

This is so true

[sudden kayak]

certainly that depends on the particular example, but wouldn't say it's some essential feature missing from cisco stuff. i have other complaints about cisco's business practices and pricing model so I'm not praising them but that seems like a reasonable design decision

[plain siren]

A good game doesnt have rules on how to play... it limits you through the gameplay itself.

[faint bronze]

Hmm interesting. Nevermind. I wouldn't know that. I was thinking of a more traditional switch kind of thing. I don't know how Cisco systems would react to that. As I learned from a basic networking class you can double vlan tagged and data is tagged when it comes in a tagged port, so it should be possible to have two vlan's let's say vlan 10 and vlan 20 with all of the ports on either vlan 10 or 20 then it should act as two separate switches. That's as I understand it. I could be wrong.

[plain siren]

802.11ad

[tender hazel]

let me give you an example

suppose I have a head end device at an ISP, I have a bunch of ports that service customers all connected to the same bridge

but I have a customer who wants a layer 2 tunnel to another location

I can create a second bridge that connects their layer 2 tunnel with their port on the same device

[sudden kayak]

yep that's normal vlan tagging. what findaráto is describing is something much weirder and i would argue.... more messed up and unwise, no offense

[peak cloak]

couldn't you just do that with normal vlans

[tender hazel]

why do I need to give them a VLAN?

[peak cloak]

just untag on every port and it's basically a switch

[tender hazel]

isn't giving them a VLAN something arbitrary that I shouldn't have to do?

I just create a bridge, a new virtual switch that connects their tunnel with their port

[sudden kayak]

this just seems like a really weird workaround to use a switch for something that should be handled at a higher layer

[tender hazel]

super easy

[peak cloak]

idk, for me vlans are the obv solution

[tender hazel]

I probably didn't explain myself properly here

the main bridge has nothing to do with the customer

nothing on there is traffic of theirs

so if I gave the customer a VLAN on there for no reason, it would be even more complicated

yes I could terminate the VPLS tunnel on say made up VLAN 999 and then set VLAN 999 to go to that port

but I thought this was all about making things easier and not harder

because that is way more complicated

right now I can tell someone create a new bridge, add those two ports to the bridge, and you are done

[peak cloak]

I guess

seems like a rare case

[tender hazel]

rare? we have like 100 sites like this

[faint bronze]

Interesting. I would want to guess it could be possible to double vlan tag that. I do understand a bridge from routing stuff on Linux before. I fallow that making a bridge should be easier.

[peak cloak]

I guess not, I have no field experience at all

[tender hazel]

we provide layer 2 services to customers all the time

they want a simple layer 2 ethernet transparent lan service from point A to Z and we provide that

and the ability in routeros to have multiple bridges per device allows us to do that in a way that doesn't confuse our lower level techs

I can teach someone to connect a bridge to the layer 2 tunnel and the physical port and they get it

[plain siren]

Isnt this what 802.1ak is for

[tender hazel]

no

we run an MPLS network

and customer services are provided across VPLS pseudowires

that standard you are referring to is only about giant layer 2 networks connected with switches

[plain siren]

Oh

In that case, ignore me.

[tender hazel]

we build a tunnel from point A to Z, a pseudowire, and bridge it to a physical port

with a separate bridge than handles the other traffic

that customer then has a completely independent connection, I don't have to assign them a VLAN or anything

we can transparently pass VLANs or if the customer wants we could add things on that separate bridge to do things based on the VLAN as the customer wants

having that sort of flexibility can be super helpful in these sort of situations

so I wouldn't write it off as being some useless feature that can be removed

[plain siren]

Id love to see a diagram of your P Side Network

[tender hazel]

and it is actually the way that linux itself handles bridges

mikrotik's bridge vlan filtering is really just an extension of how linux the OS itself handles bridging

and adds additional capabilities to it

[plain siren]

Although im sure that is Confidential or otherwise Complex enough a quick drawout is CBA

[plain siren]

Its a VRF

"Virtual Routing Function"

[tender hazel]

VRF is different, that's not the same thing as bridge vlan filtering

VRF is what you do with MPLS layer 3 VPN or when you otherwise want to have split routing tables (ex. split one router into two)

[plain siren]

Not Virtual Routing and Forwarding

[tender hazel]

so that you can have a management VRF and customer VRF that are split

[plain siren]

Anything stacked on top by a Company as an extension to normal networking capabilities is called VRF in OpenNetworking terms

[tender hazel]

oh, I'm used to only the one definition

[plain siren]

Yeah its somewhat new (literally last year new) to help with this whole Cloud Complexity and SDN

(Couldve def used a diff acronym to help with confusion)

[tender hazel]

anyway our P side network is not anything super complicated in that we don't really have redundant links between sites, they are too far apart.. so our network diagram looks like a tree.. the root, then branches, then branches of branches, without any redundancy in between

at our datacenter we have our concentrators

all customers who have either retail PPPoE service or DIA service (dedicated bandwidth internet for enterprise) are terminated on one of the concentrators, via VPLS tunnels that go from the location the customer is at back to our datacenter

we have multiple concentrators so that if we are doing maintenance not everybody has to go down at once

and when customers get transparent LAN service from us, we run VPLS tunnels directly from the router at location A to the router at location Z so it takes the shortest path, it doesn't have to go back to our datacenter

but in our case every service we provide is actually provided through VPLS tunnels

everybody is tunneled back to our datacenter to the same location

the advantage is that we can save a lot on IPs, as a customer in location A can take IP X.Y.Z.191 and a customer in location B can take IP X.Y.Z.192

we can have a relatively small IPv4 block but still be able to provide all customers with public IPv4

and we give them IPv6 as well

but yeah, every service we provide now at the ISP is all done over VPLS tunnels

which is really nice because it simplifies our firewall configurations

@plain siren basically everybody in these remote sites, we can tunnel them back to our datacenter and put them all back in the same subnet

so even though we have lots of external routers they can have very simple configurations

just enough to get the tunnel back to the datacenter

we don't need to have complicated firewalls or anything of the sort

with the traditional network diagram we would need complicated firewalls on every router that customers connect to, because we need to prevent them at that point from being able to reach our network devices like PDUs and UPSs

and we do QoS from our datacenter outwards to make sure that the customers who are supposed to be receiving these dedicated connections actually are getting their bandwidth

I wanted to do this setup for many years actually, but was stymied

by the limitations on Cisco

where you couldn't do things unless you bought the special device with the special license

we had one customer in a remote area who wanted transparent LAN service, and it was insane to have to consider installing a Cisco metro switch (minimum 24 ports) for that customer only

[plain siren]

@peak cloak Ok I got ARM64 VyOS Built

[tender hazel]

@plain siren @peak cloak were you aware that RouterOS v7 now has hardware routing offload for a bunch of devices (finally)

most exciting is the new flagship router CCR2112 which has an M.2 slot for running docker containers

[plain siren]

Is it fully functional?

[tender hazel]

there are still a few bugs in routeros v7, so I wouldn't necessarily say to run it this moment in business.. but for home use it works great, everything home users are doing is perfectly stable.. the hardware offloading works just fine

really great performance with HW offload

at the rate things have been going, I think it will be production ready for most businesses by mid 2022

I'm planning on a March or April 2022 timeframe

it won't be much longer than that

[civic elk]

A layer 2 guy! What vendor do you work with?

[cloud nebula]

Hi fellow LTTers, I think I have run myself into a me being a fool problem.

I bought a UDM-Pro, to go with my USW24 switch from Ubiquiti. Eventually I will grab an AP of some kind but not in my budget right now.

When I set it up last night, (DSL in -> ISP combo box -> UDM-P [sfp ->] USW24) all of my wired devices could see eachother, however none of my WiFi devices (connected to my ISP combo box) could see any devices behind the UDM-PRO.

Question being, do I just need to leave the UDM-PRO out until I get the AP, or are there config setting I can change to allow the WiFi clients to see wired clients

[primal ice]

from the combo box -> udm-p instead of plugging it into the wan port plug it into the switch port - or yes remove the udm-p if you need access to the wifi.

[cloud nebula]

Thanks,
Yeah I still want to be able to control my wired Sonos speakers, and my IKEA hub from WiFi devices, so I'll just disconnect the UDM-PRO until I can get my AP

(The reason I have all my Sonos speakers wired is because there is some wicked WiFi interference in my flat, so have been trying to eliminate WiFi where I can, but phones and tablets are still a thing)

[long thistle]

mmm

i chose ubiquiti 10 gig router and switch

and today it will be delivered in <1h

so

it will be great day for configuring them

and I'll be able to show off my new 10 gig network to my friends tomorrow

[waxen scroll]

@clear igloo show your friends the 100G 🍆

[clear igloo]

Psh, that's so last year

400G is where the cool kids are

[waxen scroll]

I dont think we're gonna buy that any time soon

whats a 400G firewall cost?

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo at aunts….she has the PACE router from AT&T

🤪dropping packets

Right beside the router too

[clear igloo]

lol, sounds about right for that one

[waxen scroll]

needs an outside line test

[rocky badge]

It even does this on Ethernet 🤪

The router is soo bad

[clear igloo]

Well, probably a few hundred thousands if I had to guess, haven't seen any of those yet

[waxen scroll]

probably not the router

[rocky badge]

The PACE router from AT&T is shit af

[waxen scroll]

i bet it only supports 2 interfaces of 400G too

[clear igloo]

Probably, and then a few 100g too

[clear igloo]

yes it is

[rocky badge]

I wish she has a bgw210

[clear igloo]

It was nice

[rocky badge]

She doesn’t have 2/5 gig at the address yet

[clear igloo]

@waxen scroll When you leave a default marking policy applied and the system is still doing default queueing on the classes ;-;

[clear igloo]

rip

[rocky badge]

She has fucking directv tho

It’s not even the WiFi/internet based streaming, it’s the old boxes

[clear igloo]

oooof

[low pond]

800* 😛

[clear igloo]

[waxen scroll]

comcast wont tell me what new contracts I can sign until next week

[clear igloo]

rip

[waxen scroll]

last year it gave me a really good rate without cancelling anything. I hope this year it will do the same

[rocky badge]

I want comcast gig pro 😳

[low pond]

You shill Comcast?

[rocky badge]

Comcast gig pro is so good lol

[low pond]

I mean I don't have any personal experiences but from what I know Comcast is shite

[waxen scroll]

its not

[rocky badge]

It’s not cable

[clear igloo]

Blob just wants to go brrrr

[rocky badge]

Gig pro is fiber

It’s basically their business Metro E in a residential package

[waxen scroll]

comcast fails me like 2-3 times per year for an hour and thats about it

[rocky badge]

$99/gigabit for gig pro

[low pond]

I've heard Google Fibre is pretty Prem tho

[rocky badge]

$299/mo lol for 3Gbps

[waxen scroll]

all i know is I doubt they'll give me 100mbit for $35/m anymore lol

[rocky badge]

Grandmother is on Comcast, service is amazing. It’s just the company that’s bad sometimes

[waxen scroll]

im waiting on them to punish me for not having TV

At some point they have to make the TV bundle cheaper than internet only

[clever dagger]

bruh that is so slow

but weee network upgrade

[sudden kayak]

yeah not a fan of the "TV+internet is cheaper" thing

kinda ridiculous imo but its not like i have any say

[thick minnow]

im glad the apartment i rent has internet included for free

11 down and 4 up for me lol

i just checked

[clever dagger]

thats even worse lol

bruh why does internet suck in so many places especially considering how crucial it is these days

https://www.speedtest.net/result/12538462631.png this is more like it

[thick minnow]

i think its more my craptop's end. i think its in the 50+ down

i sort of...cut the wires on my laptop when i removed the screen forever

i still used the original wifi,

[tender hazel]

Most poeple don't need 1Gbps up and down

[clever dagger]

yeah my laptop still has the Intel 7260 in it

[tender hazel]

even if you have such a plan, usage is generally between 10-20Mbps like 99.5% of the time

[clever dagger]

not mine

[clever dagger]

i do a lot of streaming in 4K

[tender hazel]

even with 4k streaming it still won't likely come anywhere close to using up that 1Gbps

[thick minnow]

i cut the wires and had a moment of "Shit...i need that"

[clever dagger]

You need a new laptop tbh

[thick minnow]

lol i have a vga monitor...im fine xD

i have a grumpy cat sticker so it works perfectly

[peak cloak]

4k doesn't use much bandwidth either

really what residential ISPs sell you is "burst" bandwidth

[thick minnow]

i had a stream earlier i had to go down to 160p i think and still it lagged haha

[clever dagger]

yeah no

i always have close to a gigabit in terms of speeds

[peak cloak]

well ofc you do, but if everyone else was using the same bandwidth at the same time, you would see a significant decrease

[clever dagger]

i have fibre to the home

[peak cloak]

and if you do use it 24/7, the ISP will complain

[clever dagger]

not true

[peak cloak]

ok and?

[peak cloak]

literally is

[clever dagger]

literally isn’t

you can’t assume stuff is the same for all isps worldwide

[peak cloak]

how

true, but in generally that's the case

[clever dagger]

no, it’s not

[peak cloak]

otherwise internet would be stupid expensive

[clever dagger]

it already is

isps can’t get mad at you for using the speeds included in the plan that you subscribed to lmao

that would be absurd

[peak cloak]

yes they would

[clever dagger]

no, they wouldn’t

my isp literally doesn’t care.

keep in mind you might live in the us, or somewhere in Europe, where internet plans generally massively suck

[peak cloak]

https://www.verizon.com/business/products/internet/internet-dedicated/
$$$

Yeah I'm talking US/Europe

[clever dagger]

well I don’t live in the us

Or Europe