networking

[waxen scroll]

https://store.ui.com/collections/unifi-network-switching/products/unifi-switch-industrial

[rich basalt]

love the switch not the price lol, trying to avoid running more cables to the attic, but if thats the more cost friendly solution ill go that route haha. trying to install a camera system, havent decided if im going to go unifi or not yet, but previous owner already had a cable run to the attic that goes from the basement all the way i was hoping to use.

[waxen scroll]

i mean honestly with what my local contractors charge, that switch is a damn bargain

the cheapest does $300/hr for residential cabling

[rich basalt]

i can pull cabling on my own and got a spool of 500ft CAT6, but was trying to find a lazy route haha. was trying to find something around a 100 bucks that wouldnt blow up after a year

[rocky badge]

i cringed

[waxen scroll]

maybe theres something unmanaged that can put up with it but managed switches that put up with it tend to be industrial

@rocky badge my friend installed some 4k UBNT cams

they look great

[rocky badge]

lol

[waxen scroll]

I kind of want to grab 4 of them but I dont want to deal with mounting and wiring them heh

[rich basalt]

thinking about it i could just mount one to the ceiling in the closet and pull the cables through and seal the hole up, then its climate controlled and i could just use one of their el cheapo flex minis

[rocky badge]

I hate how he connected everything

[waxen scroll]

thats what a cable TV company would do

[rocky badge]

Flex Mini doesn't have PoE out

https://store.ui.com/collections/unifi-network-switching/products/usw-flex

[rich basalt]

you appear to be correct lol

[rocky badge]

4 PoE out

[rocky badge]

He should've gotten an Agg/Agg Pro

Connect every switch and shit to the Agg Pro

Also, he has zero PoE switches????

[waxen scroll]

i have the same issue as well... my pipe to the attic needs cable lube to pull as it is... so its either get a switch or pray I can fit 4 more cables in it

[rich basalt]

this could actually probs survive in my attic with no issues looking at the pecs might go this route

[peak cloak]

I have the USW-Flex mini in kinda attic area

[waxen scroll]

I cheat a little. I pull the cables into the attic and make them long, then I hire a company to deal with the hell that is my attic 😄

[peak cloak]

but it's right on top of the AC unit so it's nice and cool

[rocky badge]

@waxen scroll I hope he gets a PoE switch

[waxen scroll]

he has one though, didnt I see him plug the AP into one?

[rocky badge]

None of those switches are PoE

Also, why didn't he get a Enterprise 24 PoE or Enterprise 48 PoE or something, then he can connect this 2.5GbE APs at 2.5GbE

[waxen scroll]

because ubnt didnt sponsor so it was done on a budget

[rocky badge]

https://i.ryois.me/bEd7NqTOKz.png

So he spent 2x $1,299 on two of these switches

[waxen scroll]

i wouldnt even do an L3 switch on a job that small

[rocky badge]

You wouldn't be using UniFi L3 anyways ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[waxen scroll]

I dont know all the details though

[rocky badge]

The controller support for it is shit

✨ no ACLs or anything ✨

[waxen scroll]

right, and nat is crap or not even there

[pulsar thorn]

lol no point then

[waxen scroll]

I wouldnt L3 switch in a house unless I had demanding needs between vlans

[rocky badge]

All of the Pro switches "have" L3

They just put L3 for marketing

[waxen scroll]

my switch has L3 too and I dont even have it configured lol

Edge Switch Lite-24 or whatever its called

[rocky badge]

idk why you even brought up L3 anyways

[waxen scroll]

the XG is layer 3, says so in your screenshot

[rocky badge]

So is every switch he bought

I was just showing the price of the switch ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Also, you can do 10 Gig + 25 Gig on the Enterprise XG 24 he has, you just have to get 10000FDX + 25000FDX on the switch, not autoneg

So he can have at least 25 Gig between EntXG 1 & 2

[waxen scroll]

@clear igloo do you think I can get my new boss to let me start an ipv6 project?

or do you think ill get laid off in the middle of it like everywhere else

[rocky badge]

it's also funny and stupid he bought a RPS

[waxen scroll]

I have to check the records to see if anyone actually requested subnets

[thick minnow]

You're technically wrong. You can just not easily.

[rocky badge]

it's not in the UI

[thick minnow]

Exactly.

[rocky badge]

It's in the switch config but that gets wiped after a provision

So it defeats the point of UniFi

[waxen scroll]

@rocky badge I toured a house with A/B power... but its the first ive ever seen.

[thick minnow]

You can force permanence by editing the gateway config file.

[rocky badge]

that's not even the stupidest part about the RPS

[rocky badge]

that's on the USG, not present on the UniFi OS systems

[thick minnow]

You can do it in unifi os as well.

Go into shell mode.

[rocky badge]

Any local config on the UniFi device is wiped after a provision

Also, gw config json is on the UniFi controller, not individual devices

[thick minnow]

You can still force permanence on unifi os you just need to know Linux not networking and yeah you provision via the gateway

Again it's stupid.

But it works.

The problem with unifi is that any serious networking config is all locked out of the UI. Which is the whole bloody point of unifi.

If I wanted to run it like a Cisco switch I'd use a Cisco switch vOv

So yeah not disagreeing with you, just saying it's possible but you have to jump through flaming hoops to get it.

I honestly want to move to ruckus like Linus as I've had the same issues he has with my unifi. When you start adding in a few hundred smart devices unifi just starts failing left and right.

Good isolation also isn't really a thing. I may end up moving to pfsense for my home and ruckus for WiFi but I have a lot more important things to do first.

[rocky badge]

I've been fine with Unifi at some larger sites

Guest client isolation is also working really well

[thick minnow]

Guest isolation works fine yeah I want layer 3 isolation which is just in beta on unifi. And their early access stuff is sold out unless you run a scalper script.

[pulsar thorn]

Uhhh, I'm on school wifi, are the admins messing with me or is it a thing that apache guacamole does?

[rocky badge]

Probably mitm

[thick minnow]

Dpi. Pretty normal.

[pulsar thorn]

Ffs it's not coming up on hotspot so definitely IT admin trying to mess with me

[clear igloo]

Give it a go, just remember /64 for all the P2P links 😄

[rocky badge]

update day https://i.ryois.me/YHdOtwocAZ.png

[pulsar thorn]

Upgrades people, upgrades

[peak cloak]

but why

[pulsar thorn]

Idk I didn’t do anything wrong, they just blocked both my domains

[peak cloak]

Ask?

[pulsar thorn]

Already left a note on the IT guys desk, hopefully he Comes to talk to me

Ok so we have this edgeportal that we have to log into before we can access anything outside the network, and it wasn't letting my phone access the internet because my laptop wasn't signed in?

anyway I fixed it

[hollow marlin]

Psshhh. RFC7404 only

[waxen scroll]

PTP only needs link local

infact its almost like a security though obscurity thing

[waxen scroll]

some implementations require a website to have a category to let you browse to it

[dry sinew]

If I have an Ethernet port with a signal can I connect a wifi router and use it as normal?

[peak cloak]

yes and no

yes as it will work

no as in you will be double nating

but you are already probably nated so it will make little to no difference

[dry sinew]

Ok thanks

Is there any good cheap wifi routers that are recommended?

Looking at the £35 price range during Black Friday

[hollow marlin]

They do but from a SP perspective, only LL for the backbone is a nightmare to tshoot

[waxen scroll]

im not sure about the /64 comment

why?

we wasted IPv4 so much with stuff like that. Sure IPv6 is huge but the networks are growing huge too

I doubt you're talking about doing eui-64 either

[peak cloak]

smallest routable subnet

[waxen scroll]

thats not what he meant though, I get that

i dont care about advertising tons of /64, i just need one /64 supernet with subnets for my infrastructure

he wants /64 per two devices

or more accurately per link

I've never built any of my proof of concept networks that way but he works with a production network, so I dont know the difference other than easier management with eui-64 (but then IPAM documentation is weird)

I dont remember what the telcos gave me for PTP IPs either

I feel like one did a /64 and another did /127

[peak cloak]

idk, I remember reading something about it

https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-palet-v6ops-p2p-links-00.html#rfc.section.2.1

[hollow marlin]

I don't even like /64 GUA for transport. I just stick with /127

We don't need to conserve like with v4 but with our scheme, each transport link is subnetted from a /56 so there is more than we'll ever need.

[waxen scroll]

or the link becomes a point-to-multipoint, or there is a need to use more addresses in the link (e.g., monitoring equipment, managed bridges).

this justification hurt my brain

so assign it a new subnet when you do so? its not rocket science

we do this with IPv4 all the time, we can do it with 6

an infrastructure subnet is not like a user facing subnet where they expect it to be one address and moving is hell (regardless of DNS)

@hollow marlin another problem is they do all this waste and then complain when a global company asks for a /48 (I dont remember the exact size we got denied for)

its all rainbows and unicorns... "you dont need to NAT anymore!" [gets denied for IP space for the whole company]

the first job I tried this at we actually had large blocks with all 3 registrars so the subnetting for that and route advertisement flexibility was nice

[hollow marlin]

It's because people don't realize how fast you burn through a /32 if you at all want format behind the addressing.

[waxen scroll]

yeppppp

and thats what pisses me off

we got here by wasting and the powers that be tell us to waste WAY MORE with ipv6

but when you agree with their plans they are quick to deny you even if you're large

That being said, I'm also a little surprised they allow /64 to be advertised at all

thats like advertising a /32 to the internet with the guidance they put out

[exotic roost]

Hello, I want to get a server for home, but I'm not sure if I should buy prebuild or build it myself. In my country server processors like EPYC and Xeon are not in the market and the prebuild ones are not fitting my requirements and the others are too expensive. So I want my server to be able to run 3~5 VMs and Plex on 4K if possible. Can you recommend me a prebuild server or a recommended CPU and RAM to get? I have picked some parts that still go above the budget, but it's cheaper than a prebuild one. The only problem with it is that the CPU does not support ECC RAM, which is not a big problem from me. Thanks!

CPU: Intel Core i9-10850K
Motherboard: MSI Z590-A PRO
RAM: 32GB DDR4 2666 - x4
M.2 SSD: SSD ADATA XPG SX6000 Pro 256 GB - x2
HDD: 3TB Seagate Barracuda x3

[hardy kestrel]

Since I have no way running ethernet cables on this house, which brand should I go for mesh wifi? Asus AI Mesh, TP Link Deco, or Google Nest WiFi

[clear igloo]

Yah, 127 for p2p is best

But what you REALLY want is /48 for P2P links with public addresses and no firewall 😄

[faint depot]

Hey, quick question for anyone with an Asus RT-AX86U, should I plug my modem into the 1gb port, or the 2.5gb port?
Right now I've got it plugged into the 1gb port, and my laptop is plugged into the 2.5gb port. I'm just not sure if this is the optimal configuration.

I couldn't read the manual or anything cause it arrived in Japanese. >.<

[pearl hedge]

depends

whats your bandwidth

[bitter shell]

both are in private connections

[peak cloak]

if you only have gig, there really is no difference

[faint depot]

My bandwidth is big. I have so many bandwidths.

I don't actually know how much, but my internet is supposed to be one of the fastest.

[waxen scroll]

well crap... a gaming router has faster ports than my pro-sumer gear lol

not that I need it anyway. I determined that 100mbit is the fastest I need and theres no point in paying more

[pearl hedge]

Honestly I understand your logic but here 1/1Gbps is pretty much dirt cheap

I pay like 10 dollars worth of local currency and it is pretty fantastic. Up until yesterday I had a 10/100/1000mbps NIC so there was no point in having more but 2/1 is like 3 bucks more so I might as well… 😄

[waxen scroll]

for me its $35 for 100 and $95 for 1000

$720+ saved a year by not going fast!

[pearl hedge]

ISP here doesn’t even offer 100 any more

I guess that’s our consolation price for having everything else in tatters lol

Good internet I mean

[north mulch]

It doesn't really slow down the overall network since most users aren't going to use those speeds on a regular basis. And by having the capacity for that speed to an area, any unused speed would actually help with congestion rather than hinder (at least normally).

the alternative is everyone getting slower speeds. because networks are never built for exactly what they need

being provisioned for gigabit and using a gigabit are not the same thing.

[peak cloak]

every residential ISP overprovisions

if they didn't, it would expensive

?

why not

[north mulch]

I agree with this

[low pond]

@robust peak ????

Uhm, alright.

[north mulch]

uhhh he just poofed

[waxen scroll]

ban?

[primal ice]

or quit

[waxen scroll]

messages are deleted

😄

[waxen scroll]

my comcrap always goes faster than what I paid, never slower

I want to say they throw about an extra 20-30mbit on it

[clear igloo]

10/10 deal AT&T!

[peak cloak]

I mean if everyone was using all of their bandwidth, it would def slow down

[waxen scroll]

you and I both know if there are TV line items your bill is ~0.5x more than that price they're showing

[clear igloo]

Yah, no TV

[rocky badge]

My ISP keeps growing and growing but their actual speeds delivered have stayed the same or improved

Which is nice

[waxen scroll]

comcast showed me $35/m for just internet and surprise the bill after taxes is that

[clear igloo]

It's $59.99 flat, has been for ~2 years now

[rocky badge]

Damn, lucky

AT&T in our area is $60/mo then $10/mo thrown on top then increases next year

[clear igloo]

Yah, I somehow got stuck onto some plan and I'm not complaining 😛

[rocky badge]

$90/mo after the 1st year

[clear igloo]

yikes!

[waxen scroll]

ATT fiber has said coming soon for 2 yrs now

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo I want our Cat6 STP now

[clear igloo]

Yah, they even said (when I checked as a guest) that I don't have ATT fiber at my address but the box in my closet says otherwise

AT&T is smort

[rocky badge]

Also, istg if IT is holding our Mac Mini hostage in their warehouse.... lol

[waxen scroll]

I can get comcast fiber for $300/m if I want

[rocky badge]

I'm glad Comcast isn't in our area

[pulsar thorn]

We have to wait for stupid NBN to choose our suburb as the next one to upgrade to FTTP

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo https://i.ryois.me/l1wcHIK1JP.png

$150/mo from local ISP

[clear igloo]

Not too bad actually

[peak cloak]

paid that much for 200/30

[rocky badge]

https://i.ryois.me/oW64cpXj6h.png

[peak cloak]

with TV and phone

[rocky badge]

knoxville utilities board's fiber

[pulsar thorn]

Check this scam out

[peak cloak]

which we didn't use at all

[rocky badge]

1gig/1gig, 2.5gig/1gig

business pricing https://i.ryois.me/jNnq8E7SdM.png

All are symmetrical

[clear igloo]

PROFESSIONAL

[rocky badge]

business pro 1 gig is dedicated fiber

[clear igloo]

Oh, that makes sense then

[thick minnow]

Hi

[pulsar thorn]

I’m stuck with $110 a month with another provider if I want 100/40

NBN is the biggest scam ever lmao

[waxen scroll]

it better support bgp

[pulsar thorn]

You’d presume so wouldn’t you?

[peak cloak]

bring your own ips

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo heh, like KUB's fiber. My fiber ISP also started out just to provide fiber networking for the electric company

[gilded escarp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS525PqvAlA

[waxen scroll]

in 8hr webex meeting tl;dr it

😄

[rocky badge]

it's the January incident

[waxen scroll]

oh. old video

[pine sage]

Preferably i wouldn't Wana sell it but Id like to trade it for an equivalent and card or maybe like a Vega 56 since I'm on linux

[dark fern]

I have a question. I need to run ethernet from the 1st floor of my house to the 2nd as there are no outlets on the 2nd floor. I am not at all confident enough with DIY to be cutting holes in my drywall myself, so am I better to just run it along the skirting up the stairs and over the door ways or hire someone to run it between the walls? I'm aware ethernet degrades over distance but it shouldn't be anymore then 50 feet up the stairs, idk if that makes a difference

[trim arch]

I love how I just heard a lot of scary technical jargon that I only understood -1/16th of

the only thing I got out of it was IT WAS REALLY BAD

[pulsar thorn]

I think unless you wanna use cat6 it should be fine

[faint niche]

I would give a Powerline adapter a try, they're ~$40 USD for a kit of 2. I've used them in the past with pretty good success, but I also have to note that your experience may vary based on your home wiring.

[dark fern]

had a google, my home is a new build so it should be fine, I'll give these a try. thanks a lot

[hardy kestrel]

Random question, is it possible for 5GHz wifi to interfere with Terrestrial TV?

Everytime I turn on the Wii U which broadcasts 5GHz WiFi, the TV loses Digital TV signal

[pulsar thorn]

Is this a good start if I wanna get into more advanced network configuration? I’ve never touched anything managed before, and I wanna boost my skills before I get into a networking degree at university…

[faint depot]

Only 50 bucks?

[pulsar thorn]

yeah, Mum says it's too far away to pick up

legit a 30min drive from home

[jovial talon]

@pulsar thorn https://www.brianlinkletter.com/open-source-network-simulators/

handy for learning the basics

GNS3 is one I've used with better results

but has been a while so there might be some newer better stuff out there now

[pulsar thorn]

I'll have to reinstall gns3 then lol

better go free some storage for the VM too

[peak cloak]

Ethernet is rated for 100 meters

You'll be fine

[peak cloak]

That's not far lol

[pulsar thorn]

She looked at me and shook her head

Glad council cleanup is on soon I’ll go with my mate and find some stuff to fix up

[peak cloak]

But at that price I bet it's loud and hungry

[pulsar thorn]

He always grabs macs and refurbishes them, so he’ll probably want to

[pulsar thorn]

Probs 200watts when two 1Gb devices are hooked up lol

[peak cloak]

@pulsar thorn if you want to try bgp, lookup dn42

It's basically like a virtual internet

[pulsar thorn]

Alrighty

I wanna learn kinda everything tbh

So I’ll write it all down

[peak cloak]

I have it setup rn so everyone in home lan, can access the dn42 network

I have a VM running vyos, which basically acts as a router, it connects to peers via wireguard, and advertises my IPs. It also nats an IP for my lan

[pulsar thorn]

Oh my optimisation

[peak cloak]

Lol

[pulsar thorn]

Right okay…

I have a lot to learn

It’s not all pfsense rules and nat

[peak cloak]

I can get you my vyos config if you wanna take a look

[clear igloo]

Nah, it's a small business switch, it's like intermediate in terms of config options so it's not very power hungry

[peak cloak]

Ah

We have a old Cisco switch and school and it's loud af

[clear igloo]

Yah, small business stuff is more quiet than the enterprise stuff thankfully

Although the Cat9200 and Cat9300 stuff is pretty quiet by comparison to say a Nexus 😄

[light sleet]

Hi quick question about Ubiquiti Networks UniFi 6 Lite. Can i use any switch that states it supports 802.3af PoE? TP-Link switches are like 50% of the cost of a Ubiquity switch here

[peak cloak]

yeah a standard is a standard, if it can output 802.3af it should be good

[waxen scroll]

noooo just noticed comcast changed my IP that ive had for years.... they moved it 1 spot lower lol

[waxen scroll]

ASR 9k?

[clear igloo]

You know, just a tad noisy 😛

[waxen scroll]

@peak cloak you ever configure a router that was almost as tall as you?

[feral bear]

Can you connect an external antenna to an ADSL router?

[feral bear]

or... nvm

[bitter shell]

Does win11 have network sharing issues?

[peak cloak]

Nope

google cloud suffering

[low pond]

Heavier too

[feral bear]

Pics

[low pond]

Prem. 9922

[waxen scroll]

@clear igloo Schools: *teaches you IOS from 10 years ago
Employers: *uses IOS-XR, NX-OS and ACI
Why cant we find any entry levels????

[waxen scroll]

I cheated a little, mine were 9912s but still pretty tall

Hell 10 years ago I was annoyed I learned and passed CCNA and then found out you really needed CCNP knowledge actually to work in the industry lol

[clear igloo]

Masters degree + 20 years experience
Paying $15/hr 😄

[north mulch]

we use some of these instead

[waxen scroll]

my school taught cisco but used juniper. lol

Always pissed me off that I technically couldn't even work there and I paid them for training

[clear igloo]

Yah, that doesn't sound fun I think is the right word?

[waxen scroll]

juniper shops seem to be really picky too. if you've never used juniper they dont want to talk to you

[clear igloo]

Yah, it's kind of like XR is the closest comparison I've heard

[waxen scroll]

nexus is technically the same

[clear igloo]

idk, nexus doesn't really have commit like XR or Juniper

but maybe in terms of drilling down to configs?

[waxen scroll]

i mean if you have no nexus its hard to get interviews

[clear igloo]

AH!

[peak cloak]

How different are enterprise OSes?

[waxen scroll]

a lot

[clear igloo]

Yes

[waxen scroll]

sometimes the basics change too

[peak cloak]

Sounds like "fun"

[clear igloo]

That's why APIs and SDKs or other abstraction methods are such a big deal in some larger companies

[waxen scroll]

BGP Neighbors:
IOS: show ip bgp vpnv4 vrf blob sum
NX-OS: show ip bgp vrf blob sum
IOS-XR: show bgp vrf blob sum

i hateeeeeeeee the IOS one

[clear igloo]

show bgp ipv4 vrf blah unicast summary tyvm

don't be show ip bpg on me 😛

[waxen scroll]

oh right that too

hate that one as much

[clear igloo]

Yah, I use that because I bounce between IPv4 and v6 a lot so it's more consistent

[waxen scroll]

Me: Yeah so I put in 2000 lines or more of config here
TAC: what did you use? [lists automation system examples]
Me: Excel.

[pulsar thorn]

Sure, sorry I fell asleep

[waxen scroll]

TAC: Well maybe some things got entered wrong
Me: nope.
*FF weeks later and its a device issue, not a config issue

😄

[clear igloo]

Did you turn it off and on again? 😄

[waxen scroll]

that might have fixed it to be honest

we're not mature enough to use automation to do one off network changes like a big migration

probably not advisable

[clear igloo]

Yah

[peak cloak]

Facebook

[clear igloo]

Are you sure you want to delete BGP?
"Yes, do as I say"

[waxen scroll]

I had to touch like 20 devices and it had to be done in a specific order with checks in between

sometimes excel is way faster

[clear igloo]

Yah

[waxen scroll]

I did delete two VDCs last week. It was so satisfying to answer yes

[clear igloo]

Yah, delete all the things

[waxen scroll]

i hate cleaning up the databases though

The network is a mess. We have a lot of stuff running through what is essentially 90% decommed devices but we cant decom cause switches need to move or get lifecycled

[clear igloo]

That's about right 😄
"We need to remove this but it hosts this old thing so we can't"

[waxen scroll]

at least they arent end of support just yet

getting close ;/

[plucky delta]

well, i am feeling like an idiot. anyone wanting to help me out to find what i have done wrong in my early stages setting up a Truenas box?

[plucky delta]

welp, all it needed was a reboot. so take that with you, try a reboot as it is a simple thing to test and is easy to test

[pulsar thorn]

Always worth a shot

[plucky crescent]

Hey, anyone have a suggestion for an online store to buy consumer-grade networking gear, like small GB switches that's not Amazon, Newegg, or some other mega-turd?

[peak cloak]

uhh local stores?

I have a microcenter near me which ship

but online hmm, I can't think of any

[jade briar]

For what country? Because microcenter and Best Buy will ship within the US.

[lost nova]

Alright if was to either upgrade modem (xfinity gateway they give you) or router (Archer Ax3000) and my main goal was to not to have to restart them once a day to make my internet speed go back up which one should i do first?

[plucky crescent]

United States. I'll give MC a try, I wish I had one locally. Not thrilled about backing Best Buy either.

[faint bronze]

https://youtu.be/Yj2KVMxzym4 The voice sounds like an LTT employee. Am I right? It he from LTT?

[pulsar thorn]

People send wireless AP suggestions please, my current one has limited itself to 100mbps

[faint niche]

Yes, that's James Strieb
He hosts ShortCircuit and TechLinked pretty often.

[flint matrix]

what thats not James -thats the scalper

[peak cloak]

Omada eap

I have the 225

[pulsar thorn]

Yeah ok, currently trying to install iperf on pfsense so I can see if it's a software issue or hardware causing me to get 150Mbps locally in a 1Gbps network

[pulsar thorn]

Ok so I did a test with iperf

Wireless was on one of these, https://www.dlink.com.au/home-solutions/DSL-4320L-taipan-ac3200-ultra-wi-fi-modem-router

spy21@DESKTOP-HDLA85 ~ % iperf -c 192.168.0.1 -p 5201 -w 200m -t 30s
------------------------------------------------------------
Client connecting to 192.168.0.1, TCP port 5201
TCP window size:  129 KByte (WARNING: requested  191 MByte)
------------------------------------------------------------
[  1] local 192.168.0.10 port 49760 connected with 192.168.0.1 port 5201
tcp write failed: Broken pipe
shutdown failed: Socket is not connected
[ ID] Interval       Transfer     Bandwidth
[  1] 0.00-0.81 sec  32.8 MBytes   337 Mbits/sec

ETHERNET
spy21@DESKTOP-HDLA85 ~ % iperf -c 192.168.0.1 -p 5201 -w 200m -t 30s
------------------------------------------------------------
Client connecting to 192.168.0.1, TCP port 5201
TCP window size:  129 KByte (WARNING: requested  191 MByte)
------------------------------------------------------------
[  1] local 192.168.0.25 port 49882 connected with 192.168.0.1 port 5201
tcp write failed: Broken pipe
shutdown failed: Socket is not connected
[ ID] Interval       Transfer     Bandwidth
[  1] 0.00-0.29 sec  32.1 MBytes   935 Mbits/sec```

[pulsar thorn]

We're the only network in the area that uses channel 153, so it can't be interference

[faint bronze]

Are you physically close to the access point?

[hollow marlin]

What are the link speeds on wireless? That all looks as expected

[waxen scroll]

@clear igloo why cat8k when you can have NCS?

[hollow marlin]

@waxen scroll @clear igloo https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-schoen-intarea-unicast-127-00.html
Lets make 127/8 publicly routable

[waxen scroll]

erm

I guess if it starts at 127.1 ?

I've never seen more than 127.0.0.1 used in the wild

[hollow marlin]

127/8 is publicly routable with 127.0/16 as the reserved.
Im sure some software makes use of the range (outside 127.0.0.1)but this will cause more headaches than its worth IMO.

[waxen scroll]

pretty much

getting all the OS updated will suck

[low pond]

Do all the effort, everything to squeeze every bit of v4 out. But do nothing to support v6

[waxen scroll]

i kno 😦

[low pond]

Walk 100 steps for a shitty solution: everyone: YES

Walk 10 steps for an amazing solution: everyone: meh.

[waxen scroll]

my last two companies are out of space and are doing nothing to get ipv6 in

[low pond]

Honestly triggers me at this point, even though I have nothing to do with having/managing v4 blocks etc

[waxen scroll]

It's three conversations:

Me: Hey, I want to get an IPv6 project going
Management: We support you learning new tech, go ahead and research it
Me: hey, POC is deployed and I like it
Architect: yeah no, I hate ipv6
*project dies

Me: Hey, I want to get an IPv6 project going
Management: No. We don't have time (*we have time)

Me: Hey, I want to get an IPv6 project going
Management: We support you learning new tech, go ahead and research it
Me: *gets laid off from outsourcing or just quits in between the POC

[low pond]

Basically. 4th one could be: v4 just works, or don't waste your time doing something which already works very well

[waxen scroll]

thats the architect derailing it

[low pond]

I mean, duh, can't we just BUY more v4 addresses? like its down my grocery store, it's that simple

[waxen scroll]

Point is, I keep trying but its next to impossible to get ipv6 into a non-ISP company

[low pond]

Many hosting like companies actually support v6 now

[waxen scroll]

I consider them ISPs too

[low pond]

Oh :P

[waxen scroll]

If your only business case is "Well yeah the network works fine right now but we need ipv6 for the future" you've lost

Also other teams have to participate and be willing

Your server people need to test all their stuff, be willing to dual stack, etc

I would not be shocked if I get v6 live and then the server people say "we'll fit in testing.... hmmm... 12 months from now?"

@hollow marlin they should have attached ipv6 to a media change lol

"we're not selling stuff that works with ipv4 anymore...."

If you want 100G guess you'll v6

[hollow marlin]

People will lose their minds if that became a requirement

[cinder night]

hey guys wassup im planning a new network for my home

i have a list of stuff if you have time can just take a look at it would greatly appreciate it

The prices beside it are adjusted for my countries import duties =.= (RIP Jamaican Imports)

[faint bronze]

Do you already have a router? I do not see that in the list.

[cinder night]

Yes

its a crappy one though come to think of it

we are planning on just using the isp modem / router combo

[faint bronze]

Are you planing on using a patch panel for the rack?

[cinder night]

yeah

oh that isnt on it mb

So we have 8 cameras that we want to put up to be powered by POE not anything fancy, we also have a large square foot house 2500sq foot for the first floor and a little over that on the top

but we also have thick walls because of the type of construction in jamaica so we needed multiple access points currently we were running some netgear orbis 3 access points from it and we have alot of dead spots so we thought about adding 3 more and instead of mesh wire them through poe

in total we have about 16 devices that are going to be wired

[faint bronze]

You can get POE enabled switches, but they appear to be hard to find on amazon now. At least from TP-link.

[cinder night]

Yeah

that was my main issue was that the poe switches that i trust are too expensive The TP Link WAP comes with poe injectors so i was going to use those in the space that we plan to have all of this equipment and the 8 port poe injector is just for the cameras

[faint bronze]

Just to let you know, there are 24 port switches on ebay for a reasonable price. The only problem is that they are Cisco switches.

And fully managed.

[north mulch]

amcrest makes some unmanaged poe switches. that are good for the cameras.

https://www.amazon.com/Amcrest-Ethernet-Housing-8-Ports-AGPS8E8P-AT-96/dp/B08FCQ8BRC/ref=sr_1_3?gclid=CjwKCAiA7dKMBhBCEiwAO_crFBl3GYt_i_YhnBwSPtKJpVemTrBodRcrr_-_h3XFJ0IiW5UhaWNu3RoCAoIQAvD_BwE&hvadid=409964159945&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=1021198&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=9540808766373409992&hvtargid=kwd-358837886399&hydadcr=18008_11397303&keywords=amcrest+poe+switch&qid=1637173491&sr=8-3

[cinder night]

Gigabit ?

[faint bronze]

Cisco SF300-24P It is labeled as Gigabit.

Ah, Gigabit up links.

[cinder night]

yeah

[wheat flicker]

Hey so the internet connection went down earlier today, and the modem's upstream indicator was blinking constantly (wifi icon was still solid LED tho). Can any experts tell me what this can mean?

[north mulch]

Probably a provider issue, unless rebooting the modem fixes the issue, then it could be signs of a failing modem. But if your ISP is anything like mine, outages are normal.

[wheat flicker]

Rebooted it multiple times to no avail, decided to turn it off completely and turn it on a 2 hours later

Then everything back to normal

It keeps happening every month or so

Looking at logs, it shows "No ranging response received - T3 time out", "sync timing synchronization failure" and "unicast ranging received abort response"

[pulsar thorn]

1300Mbps

[hollow marlin]

1300 combined or 1300/1300mbps

[pulsar thorn]

That's just max rated throughput on 5GHZ 1, so presumably

975Mbps?

My windows laptop sitting underneath the AP says 866.7Mbps

[faint bronze]

If you google "802.11ac max throughput" Then google suggests an article that states 866.7 Mbps.

If you need more WiFi speed you will have to get a Intel® Wi-Fi 6 AX201 card in your laptop and need a router that is capable of similar. Then your max could be in theory 2.4 Gbps. What router will work, I do not know yet. In concept you could build a custom router that uses an AX201 card.

[pulsar thorn]

Ok, but we used to get the same throughput as Ethernet, so it feels as if someone’s flicked a switch and made our speeds plummet

[faint bronze]

Did you look to see if an AP in the area changed it's frequency to overlap with yours?

[rocky badge]

866.7Mbps per channel

You can have multiple channels

@pulsar thorn New theatre control Mac all setup, networked, and remote access 👌

[pulsar thorn]

Yeah I had a look and I’m the only one anywhere near channel 153

[pulsar thorn]

That looks so good

[waxen scroll]

@rocky badge
Unpacking wireguard (1.0.20210606-2) ...
Setting up wireguard (1.0.20210606-2) ...

[rocky badge]

ok

[waxen scroll]

its my first one, at least be somewhat excited

[regal obsidian]

Anyone have any good mesh WiFi recommendations?

[maiden arrow]

Unifi tbh is my go to recommendations

[regal obsidian]

Thanks

[glad ferry]

That feature is inbound on 10.X

[hollow marlin]

Oh he knows. Any OS without commit is unusable nowadays and they should have implemented it years ago

[waxen scroll]

"unusable nowadays" we're still getting along fine without it in enterprise

I havent thought to myself "damn, I wish I could commit" ever

[hollow marlin]

Once you get used to what you can do with it, it's hard going back.

[hot hawk]

anyone knows why im getting more upload than download over deca

[thin hull]

Just want some input to make sure
If I use a wifi card 2 976 Mbit/s to a wifi card 2 976 Mbit/s ptp
Will that give me around 250 mbs transfer ?

[minor wind]

if there is heavy usage of wifi at my household, for various reasons such as streaming and downloading, and i want to target more wifi to some devices to improve latency in video games, should i invest in an advanced router, or would that not improve or affect latency.

[hot hawk]

would do anything

wouldnt

pretty sure most modern routers allow u to set priority

[peak cloak]

https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-schoen-intarea-unicast-127-00.html

uhh

[pulsar thorn]

Why tho?

[little shard]

why not

ipv4 = money

[lone sun]

🤔 Is an eui-64 address equivalent to a unique local address in ipv6?

[manic inlet]

Hello guys, I have a wifi issues with my 1 gbit internet connection. In our flat there are two rooms but except the one room which router stays, we can't get decent connection. Our ISP provided their own router but I guess, it is not the best. How could I check if this one is good one or how could I know if I will buy new one it will be better than this one in terms of wifi connectivity and gaming performance?

[lone sun]

Weird, you'd think the room where the router is would have the strongest signal. What ISP is it anyway? And by router, I'm assuming this is also the modem right? 🤔

[clear igloo]

I know, it's public in 10.2

or out of "beta" as of 10.2(1)

[manic inlet]

It's an old building with very strong walls. I have Note 20 Ultra and when I am next to the router, it is 500 Mbps and then I go after the wall (yes wifi is next to wall), It drops to 100 Mbps. Especially when I go to kitchen etc., it's not more than 30Mbps. My girlfriend has lower connection. So it's really sad to see such problems. We are working both remote 😞

Do you think switching ISP router to something like Asus RT-AX86U could be beneficial for us?

[vagrant finch]

I mean ask ISP if you can even change the router

[pulsar thorn]

order complete 👍

Now enjoy my slow decay as I move into the world of ubiquiti and unifi

[manic inlet]

What do you mean? Some ISPs restrict?

[vagrant finch]

yes

[pulsar thorn]

oh yeah they do

often it's a combined fibre/dsl/cable termination that can only be connected by their equipment, which often has no control over dhcp, bridge modes etc

[manic inlet]

It's very unethical though. Because if they can't provide good connection..

[pulsar thorn]

exactly right

[vagrant finch]

what you can do is use a Cat6 ethernet cable and just plug it into a router

then like disable the wifi on the ISP router

[manic inlet]

I am allowed to set up my own router without problem

RT-AX86U is a good router? @vagrant finch

[vagrant finch]

Just get a TP-Link AX72 or something @manic inlet

[worn void]

whos your ISP?

If its come with a stock router, they tend to put the Wi-Fi names for 2.4GHz and 5GHz as exactly the same

Make sure you wack 5G on your 5Ghz name, and you should notice your speeds increase

No need to purchase additional equipment

[peak cloak]

Uhh in ipv6 local is link-local ips

Then you have your public ip

[manic inlet]

UPC

[hollow marlin]

EUI-64 is an autoconfig process for generating the last 64 bits (host bits) of the address. It can be used for link-local, GUA and ULA.

[pulsar thorn]

Or possibly disable coexist/band steering or whatever they call it

[worn void]

yup

most UK isp’s do it over here to merge the band names so you dont really notice the diff then rely on devices auto switching to preferred band

But it’s much better to do it at router level

[pulsar thorn]

Yeah I go out of my way to turn it off

I like to force 5GHz thank you Telstra :(

[manic inlet]

There is even guide on for this brand to change router

[peak cloak]

how to use your own?

usually it's just unplug ISP one, plug in your own

unless the ISP gives you an all-in-one modem/router then it's a PITA

or like what verizon I think also does it use moca over coax from ONT to their router so you need to get it switched to ethernet

[manic inlet]

Yes

[peak cloak]

and with this you may need to get pppoe credentials, depending on ISP

my isp just uses dhcp to give out ips

[pulsar thorn]

Most here do the same, each house has its own ntd with 1-4ports, each with a uuid linked to your address, so that each isp is able to communicate with your ntd and remote reboot, shutdown, power on as well as link to their vlan

It’s complicated but it’s fairly reliable

[manic inlet]

This is not an issue since I was revealing routers before and getting credentials for many years 😄

The only question is which router is better at games with cable connection and strong wifi range preferable wifi6

I have no knowledge about routers

[worn void]

Does your router provided have wifi 6?

[manic inlet]

They mentioned but I can only see 2.4 and 5

There is none in the options

[peak cloak]

those are freqencies

not wireless specs

[manic inlet]

Mhm

[peak cloak]

I just have as much stuff wired

[manic inlet]

I feel dumb. How can I figure it out?

It should be 802.11ax no?

I have no such option too

What do you think about ASUS RT-AX88U? @vagrant finch @peak cloak @worn void

[vagrant finch]

https://www.tp-link.com/ph/onemesh/product-list/
@manic inlet Just get like one router and one or two extenders for a full mesh system

Instead of one big router

[worn void]

RT-AX88U is good

[vagrant finch]

You can do it with Asus too but I like Tp Link lbetter

[worn void]

Asus > TP Link

TP Link recalled a lot of their powerline adapters a while back and had them set on fire

[manic inlet]

I know but for gaming Asus looks better for low latency management

[worn void]

Asus is what I personally use

Got gigabit speeds too

I just prefer it over any other routers then eventually will be going full UniFi

[manic inlet]

Is it good with wifi range though?

[worn void]

I find it is

I get two bars in my garage which is like 100m away from router

And goes through lot of walls

[manic inlet]

Anyway I will have 2 weeks to refund

😄

[worn void]

Older buildings are a struggle as walls are properly made with correct insulation

But should do the trick, as long as you segregate your bands

[manic inlet]

I live in old building

[worn void]

you should be fine

[manic inlet]

This is the difference between rooms

With open doors even

And the internet is 1Gbps

@worn void you think it will be better with RT-AX86U?

[worn void]

check your router settings first

Should be a sticker on back of it with login

Go there and go to your security tab or wifi tab and should say your wifi channels

[manic inlet]

@worn void like this

[peak cloak]

Tplink omada is good

Tplink consumer is 🗑️

[worn void]

Oh youre practically on a virgin router

Go to security tab under that wireless @manic inlet

There you will see 2.4Ghz and 5ghz, change wifi name to be WIFINAME for 2.4 and then WIFINAME5G to 5Ghz

[manic inlet]

I tried it

5Ghz do not even go around the wall

[peak cloak]

Yeah that's what happens

Higher speeds need higher freqencies which don't penetrate as much

If you really want good speeds, just use ethernet

Or you need to get more access points

[manic inlet]

So new router won't solve much of the issue?

[peak cloak]

I mean not really, it may have higher tx power to brute force it, but like wifi is two way too, so signals from phone may not make it back either

What's your wall material

[manic inlet]

No idea

It's an old building

[peak cloak]

Like an apartment?

Prob concrete or brick

[elfin whale]

wired is the way, shared bandwidth is a pain in close living, more-so now that everyone has 5ghz radios

[manic inlet]

No idea as I told you

2ghz doesn't work good as I can only receive 30-50mbps

[manic inlet]

Guys

I found rt-ax88u is it similar version of rt-ax86u

[junior dock]

I am talking to a company that wants my firm to help write an operating system for robots. Does anyone know this field well?

[worn void]

Get a powerline adapter that has wifi

Will be your best bet

[elfin whale]

or just wired powerline. lose the shared collision domain portion

also on the 2.4ghz, try setting the channel width to 20Mhz, some newer stuff defaults to 40, and has no benefit in noisy environments

[manic inlet]

How do they extend the wifi if they can't receive more than 40mbps 😄

I don't have intersected socket for it

[elfin whale]

40mbps is near the cap for 802.11g

[peak cloak]

It uses the electrical wiring

[wispy spindle]

i wouldnt use powerline ethernet adapters unless you have a modern house

(or recently renovated lines ofc)

but if you have that then you probably already have ethernet running through your walls so just rely on wifi if you cant use ethernet

[peak cloak]

Yeah poweline kinda sucks

Just use ethernet if you can

Even moca is much better if you have coax

[manic inlet]

The building is probably post ww2 european building. I won't rely on it

😄

Even though it is renovated

[hot hawk]

https://youtu.be/oLnEIs1Uw40

Doing this

Yet getting this on a 3ft coax cable

Even more strange is that a laptop gets the same speed while a desktop gets 60 down

[peak cloak]

never heard of deca

only moca

[hot hawk]

A poor man's moca

Just moca on a lower frequency

Limited to 100/100

Yet I don't even see anything close to that

That might Explain it

[peak cloak]

not per thread I think

per connection I think they mean

networks don't use threads

[hot hawk]

My desktop can get up to 50+

But my phone and a laptop not plugged in is capped at 20

Wait

Lemme try something

I think it my be a router thays it's connected to problem, but it can handel reg ethernet just fine

Unless it's some rando openwrt setting some where

If not guess I gotta sell my kidney for moca

[waxen scroll]

pretty sure 20mbit/s is close to 4k quality, not sure what they're complaining about

[hot hawk]

It's rated for 100/100

Mbps

Ok yea

It might be a router problem

thats more like it

Now the real question is why is it so slow on my open wrt router

[pulsar thorn]

Don’t worry I’ve been asking myself for a few days “how is my isp router from 4+ years ago than a ‘gaming’ router that’s 2 years newer”

AC3200 vs whatever isp router is probably AC1600 or smth

[peak cloak]

open wrt may not have all the optimizations

like hardware acceleration

[thick minnow]

Hi, I wanted to ask if o have a 1G fiber link from ISP, is it 1G up + down or only down?

[peak cloak]

ask ISP

[thick minnow]

I'm talking specific about fibers what they can do

[peak cloak]

single mode fiber can do up to like >100 gig

fiber isn't the limiting factor

[neat ledge]

would a 100ft lan cable be more beneficial for me than 2.4GHz wifi?

[peak cloak]

ofc

[thick minnow]

OK thanks

[wispy spindle]

yeah 100ft on ethernet is fine

you start to notice issues after around 300ft

[peak cloak]

well ethernet is specced for 100meters

so ofc after 328 ft you will have issues

[neat ledge]

would a router’s speed be a bottleneck for lan cable speed?

[wispy spindle]

no probably not

[neat ledge]

i have an asus ac1900 i think or 1700

[wispy spindle]

no then

[neat ledge]

now what do i do with my ax3000 wifi card? XD

[wispy spindle]

could keep it in the pc to use bluetooth

if it's intel ax200 based it has bluetooth as well

[hot hawk]

prob

[cedar igloo]

Where are ISP speeds limited? I did a fast.com test, and got 1gbps. I am paying for 350mbps. Is the speed between my house and ISP unlimited, and limited from there onwards (and fast.com using Netflix CDN within Virgin Media)?

[wispy spindle]

fast.com is ass

[hot hawk]

so your getting faster speeds than the isp provided you?

[cedar igloo]

Yes, but only using fast.com

[lone sun]

🤔 Ah, I see, I thought it could be used as ULA. Had to be something, since they apparently deprecated the site local address.

[hot hawk]

yo hold up

they are prob scanning your theoretically bandwidth i guess

so what @wispy spindle said

its ass

berh i cant type speed test

[peak cloak]

how

[wispy spindle]

it's ass bro

[peak cloak]

fast.com uses netflix CDN servers

[wispy spindle]

he literally just said his isp plan is 350mbps yet hes pulling "2.6gbps" on fast.com

[peak cloak]

how

[wispy spindle]

use speedtestdotnet

[neat ledge]

does setting up a DNS in my router increase my network speed? or just latency and consistency?

[peak cloak]

no

and no

just faster dns lookups which make it seem faster

[cedar igloo]

I was just wondering if my house to ISP is unlimited, and as Netflix has CDN servers within the ISP, I am getting faster?

[hot hawk]

thats my speed

i only get 600 down max

[peak cloak]

weird

other people reccomend fast.com, since it uses netflix

[hot hawk]

pretty sure its just testing theoretical speeds

r somthin

[peak cloak]

yeah actually I just looked at it

and it's just an estimate

[hot hawk]

[peak cloak]

well

[clear igloo]

not exactly, it caches locally or something

[hot hawk]

prob

[peak cloak]

https://netflixtechblog.com/building-fast-com-4857fe0f8adb

like I get a clean 300/300 on fast.com

[hollow marlin]

You can still use it for ULA. All EUI-64 is used for is to autogenerate the host bits. I would avoid ULA if you can and while site-local is deprecated, you can still use it. ULA and SLA are non-global addresses so would require NAT so its not like it wouldn't work.

[lone sun]

🧐 I'm just trying to understand IPV6, its rather confusing. I notice that Amazon doesn't even seem to be using IPV6 at all. All I see is a link local address, no ipv6 address for the default gateway. 😕 ....But on my personal computer, its got several different IPV6 addresses. Doesn't look like any of them are eui-64's either though. I do see the mac address is being used to communicate with the DHCP6 server though.

[peak cloak]

if you are getting ipv6 global address with DHCP6 it's usually not EUI-64

with v6 you have different addresses, like link-local

and then a global ip

[clear igloo]

or many global ips 🙂

[peak cloak]

yep

[hollow marlin]

Even better is its usually global /128 🙂

[lone sun]

Well, I see a link local, temp address, and one that just says IPV6. Both it and the temp one starts with 2601, which I'm assuming is the global address. But then part of the address next to 'DHCP6 client DUID' has the mac address in it. 🙃

[hollow marlin]

You'll see a LL as long as the interface has IPv6 enabled. Its not until you enable SLAAC/autoconfig or DHCPv6 where you will be seeing a global (or static of course)
You'll typically see many v6 addresses on an interface.
The DUID is the DHCPv6 identifier. Like with DHCPv4 which uses the MAC to bind addresses, the DUID uses MACs or MACs+time

[cedar igloo]

Probably a basic question, but if I have the domain example.com (dns controlled by Cloudflare), and in my local network, a homelab that uses hl.example.com (active directory). How do I get local devices to resolve machine1.hl.example.com by going through Cloudflare - and being forwarded to my local AD dns servers?

My AD DNS server is dns1.hl.example.com

Pretty much, I want to forward all queries for *.hl.example.com to my local DNS server, and leave the rest to be resolved by Cloudflare

[waxen scroll]

your local devices should be asking the AD for DNS

anything else is not supported for AD afaik

AD DNS should not be exposed to the internet

[cedar igloo]

AD DNS wouldnt be exposed. Say you query for machine1.hl.example.com, you would be forwarded to 10.1.1.2 (for example), which of course, you cannot get to unless you are on my network.

1. Client requests *.hl.example.com from 1.1.1.1
2. 1.1.1.1 responds with redirect to 10.1.1.2
3. Client requests machine1.hl.example.com from 10.1.1.2 (if on network)
4. Local dns responds with query result

[waxen scroll]

Right so help me on the logic here. The device is on your network. Why is step 1 not "Client requests machine1.hl.example.com from 10.1.1.2" and "Client requests google.com from 10.1.1.2"?

If client was an internet client it cant access machine1.hl.example.com regardless of it responding to DNS

I've never seen an AD implementation where the clients were going around the AD server for DNS.

Anyway enough of my soap box

you're probably looking for an NS record

I dont know how CF works. Try making an NS record for that subdomain and point it to your DNS servers public IP

[rustic harness]

Hey guys, looking to upgrade my home wifi network abit. Trying to decide if it is worth it to take the plunge to wifi 6 or not. would you guys say its worth it

[hot hawk]

If u need the extra speed maybe, autho u can find a wifi 6 router for the same price as a wifi 5 soo

[jade briar]

6e is the new hotness, not sure about how that is priced

[hot hawk]

Depends

[hot hawk]

A

[jade briar]

Also why do standard bodies go to a numbering scheme only to not rev the number and start introducing letters again

[rustic harness]

was actaully looking at getting a few of these.
https://eu.store.ui.com/collections/unifi-network-wireless/products/unifi-ap-6-lite
but i would need two. where as 2 of the wifi 5 are 99 as a pack.
so not much difference but its sway the misses territory

[hot hawk]

Wifi 6 has better range so depends if u need that

[rustic harness]

yea it would be useful currently have issues with drop out in one of the rooms. ive done abit more research and think ill probably take the plunge

[peak cloak]

Uhh

No

[hot hawk]

Wat

[peak cloak]

Same frequency, 6e is higher frequency, so less range

[clear igloo]

Wifi 6 doesn't add range, WiFi 6e adds a new frequency but WiFi 6 alone just adds new features on 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands

[peak cloak]

Wifi6 just helps in crowded environments

[hot hawk]

O

[peak cloak]

Better timing and stuff

Idk the details

[clear igloo]

it improves throughput though but only for wifi 6 devices of course

[rustic harness]

tbh my home network has got worse with the addition of some smart home devices, so wifi 6 may be a good idea then

[peak cloak]

They won't support it

[hot hawk]

Most of your smart home devices dont have wifi 6

Sounds like a isp bottleneck

Or router over loaded

[peak cloak]

Best thing to do is to have a different ssid for iot, since iirc they make lots of noise

For the little bandwidth they need

[hot hawk]

I just toss all of them on a 2.4 ghz ssid

[peak cloak]

These are pretty good

[hot hawk]

Then call it a day

[peak cloak]

Although they need a controller

Can't use them in standalone without the app iirc, no webui which imo is annoying

[rustic harness]

yea running via the app is fine for me.

And the seperate ssid thing is a good idea i will give it a shot

[peak cloak]

Also

When running 2 or more you would want to have a controller for better roaming

I have only one omada eap225 so I don't run a omada controller

[rustic harness]

ok, i will look into it, may just get one for now and then add another down the line with a controller

thanks for your help

[pulsar thorn]

I ended up ordering a UniFi NanoHD Wave2

Got a controller set up in docker only so it’s easier to configure, like my wifi is all set up I just need to adopt it

[snow lance]

anyone know good relatively cheap 10 gbps network card?

[faint niche]

TP-Link TX401 ~$100 or ASUS XG-C100C ~$93? There are a few others but those seem to be the most consumer-focused ones so it should be easier to get support and find drivers if there is ever a problem.

[snow lance]

I was actually already looking at tx401 but hoped there was cheaper alternatives lmao

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo Local ISP updated pricing and plans. 250/250Mbps is no longer available, it is replaced by 500/500 for the same price. Same for the 25/25 Mbps plan, it is now 50/50.

[waxen scroll]

Wat

[pulsar thorn]

That’s good

[rocky badge]

Same prices too

So essentially the people on the lower half of the plans got a double in speed for free

[pulsar thorn]

Yeah I know, wish that was a thing here

[rocky badge]

This was slowly following their 2Gig/1Gig plan release

[pulsar thorn]

Recently Telstra said that anyone on 100/40 had to move to 100/20 for the same price they were already paying

Lmao

[clear igloo]

Yay "competition"? 😛

[pulsar thorn]

Nah they’re just cheap and shitty

[clear igloo]

yah, no kidding

[vagrant finch]

Wait how can they do this?

[dull mirage]

What cable goes between router and switch?

[peak cloak]

Uhh depends

If both have ethernet interfaces, ethernet

If both have sfp, sure maybe a DAC or fiber

Really, anything

[dull mirage]

To router goes internet trough DSL to router and from router goes Ethernet to all pc so from router to switch o should use Ethernet?

[peak cloak]

What else would you use?

Yes ethernet, what other option is there?

[dull mirage]

Making sure

[cobalt iris]

Anyone know any decently priced 5G modems that have root access or ability to change TTL. Would prefer T-Mobile bands

Since it's internet it's technically networking

[low pond]

It literally is, 100% on topic

[cobalt iris]

Tbh I might just have to wait til more manufacturers make 5G modems

[low pond]

Yeah, I don't think there's a cheap one per se too

We have 4G/3G/2G modules just like that

5G hotspots are crazy expensive too

Just buy a redmi phone and scrap the 5G parts out /s

[cobalt iris]

5G modules alone are 400-600

[low pond]

sadly 😦

[cobalt iris]

I looked into building my own

Peplink has good stuff

Not cheap tho

Might just buy
Pepwave MAX BR1 Pro 5G

[clear igloo]

Just get a cradlepoint

[cobalt iris]

They don't allow changing TTL from what I've found

[clear igloo]

really, wow, that's surprising actually you'd think they'd have that

although I guess it makes sense, not something most people/companies would care about

[cobalt iris]

Changing the TTL wouldn't be a must if I didn't only have 40GB of hotspot lol

What I'm currently using. It slow

[clear igloo]

Ah, you're pretty much only on cell I assume?

or have a need for lots of hotspot data

[cobalt iris]

In a truck

[clear igloo]

Yah, I don't get the "here's unlimited data but only for your phone" aspect of "unlimited"

[cobalt iris]

What I want lol

It's also CAT 20 for the LTE

[clear igloo]

nice, big money though

[cobalt iris]

So overall speeds should improve

My galaxy S20 is sometimes 2x faster than the modem while both on LTE on same network so I'd like to improve my overall internet for my own comfort

[novel flicker]

Will i be able to plug the ethernet cable connected to the wifi router to a laptop and get internet on the laptop without any configuration?

[waxen scroll]

99% of the time on regular consumer equipment, yes

[novel flicker]

That should cover mine. Thanks!

[neat ledge]

is an ax3000 router overkill for everyday casual use? https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/tp-link-archer-ax50-ax3000-dual-band-wi-fi-6-router/13901278

though its very affordable

[lethal marlin]

a. That’s not really “affordable”
b. You don’t need an ax3000 router

[clear igloo]

Compared to the AX11000 for $600 I would call it affordable

[lethal marlin]

Yeah but compared to an ac1200 router for $70 that’s not

[neat ledge]

its in canadian dollars

[lethal marlin]

Yes I know

[neat ledge]

whats the difference between ac and ax?

[lethal marlin]

Wifi 5 and wifi 6, for you, probably nothing

It’s unlikely you have any way of taking advantage of wifi 6

[clear igloo]

ax has improvements over AC in terms of speed, device handling, etc. but of course it comes with some caveats around types of devices on the network like some of them don't work if you have older standard devices on the network or don't work as well

[lethal marlin]

I don’t think there are any wifi 6 routers that don’t have a 2.4ghz network as well as 5ghz

[clear igloo]

AX is for 2.4 and 5GHz

[lethal marlin]

Yeah exactly, any device will work

[wispy spindle]

ax is substantially better than ac if you look into how it works

[clear igloo]

No, for specific AX features to work you need WiFi 6 only clients on the network exclusively. Yes they can interoperate but some features don't work with older standards in the mix

[wispy spindle]

AC routers can only send data to one device at a time whereas AX routers can communicate with several devices simultaneously

that's why public wifi is usually so terrible

50 people on one wireless access point all taking turns

[lethal marlin]

https://www.amazon.ca/RT-AC1200-AC1200-Router-3-Step-Streaming/dp/B08668M88V
This is a much more reasonable choice

[neat ledge]

yeah but i already have an ac1900

[lethal marlin]

Then keep that

[neat ledge]

is ax3000 ‘better’ than ac1900?

[lethal marlin]

Technically, yes, in reality, you won’t notice a difference I reckon

[clear igloo]

If you're going with new then go with 6e for "futureproof" but otherwise if you don't have dozens of devices using WiFi 6 today then don't bother for 1 or 2

[lethal marlin]

Yeah if you want to upgrade, go wifi 6E

But I’d just not get a new router, your current one is perfectly modern and fine

[clear igloo]

AC and AX both support downlink MIMO but AX brings in uplink MIMO as well but it's still not full duplex either, there is still time slicing involved but AX with AX devices is better at it and can do more with that slicing

[wispy spindle]

if you already have an ac1900 router i wouldnt bother upgrading to a newer consumer combo router

be better off learning about networking gear and investing in separate router, access points, and a switch if you really want to upgrade

[neat ledge]

my current wifi is slow af and unconsistent

idk if its the router’s fault or my wifi supplier

[wispy spindle]

does it work well in the room that the router is in

if it works well in there but not in rooms farther away from the router youd probably benefit from having several wireless access points instead of just one router

[clear igloo]

What kind of walls do you have? brick/stone/concrete/drywall/etc?
Define slow, on what device(s), what standard do those devices support?

If you have slowness on a device that can't be upgraded with a newer standard wireless card then a new router isn't going to do anything (for the most part)

[lethal marlin]

And also, what internet plan do you have?

[neat ledge]

i honestly have no clue what my walls are but i have an iphone se2, i have speeds of 0.7mb/s

[lethal marlin]

What internet plan do you have?

For all we know, you pay for 0.7mb/s

[neat ledge]

sometimes i get 3000 ping in games and get disconnected

[lethal marlin]

Where do you live?

[neat ledge]

richmond bc in canada

[lethal marlin]

And again ^^^

[neat ledge]

its a china internet plan

i cant even find the website for it on google

[lethal marlin]

That’s probably your issue then

[wispy spindle]

if you get full speeds over ethernet no issue then it's not an isp issue

it's a router/accesspoint issue

[lethal marlin]

Still though, if you can’t find the website for your isp online, that’s not a good thing lol

[peak cloak]

Wrong

[wispy spindle]

it's a very dramatic oversimplification

that's all most people need to know

[peak cloak]

Not not AC vs AX

It's MIMO

I have AC MIMO

[wispy spindle]

sounds like youre coping

ac sucks

[peak cloak]

?

It's just facts

[clear igloo]

facts be the devil cuz they make people realize they wrong!

[waxen scroll]

you can always report misinformation to the mod

[clear igloo]

You stop with your logic thinking there mister!

[hollow marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/reality-substitute-replaced-adam-savage-mythbusters-gif-10816078

[waxen scroll]

@hollow marlin so you gonna apply to LTT

I'm /really/ shocked they are doing all this stuff with 0 thought about enterprise IT space

PSU testing is great and all but theres a whole space being dominated by so called thought leaders that can easily be taken over

[clear igloo]

Come on now, you think their average viewer cares about that over big number go brrrr hahaha?

[waxen scroll]

no, thats the point. find different viewers

I'd say theres a space for no BS, no buzzword / word salad reviews for enterprise IT things.

How many times have you gone to a vendors site only to be confused on what the product actually does? It's all word salad

There's also a ton more money in marketing for such products. I cant imagine ASUS paying a damn thing to review a GPU

[peak cloak]

let's start

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo Moved my most used service to the cloud

[peak cloak]

What?

[rocky badge]

image hosting

[peak cloak]

Ah

I thought it was already was stored in s3?

[rocky badge]

local S3

[peak cloak]

Ah

[pulsar thorn]

I just run a php script on a virtualhost

Works fine for me, been using for over a year and only uses ~150MB

[pulsar thorn]

This 100%

Especially with networking gear, crosstalk solutions is straight to the point, and it’s all serious

[tender hazel]

ugh.. I just found out that my cable modem at home is still transmitting on hidden SSID's on 5ghz and 2.4ghz at full blast in bridge mode

so it is causing interference for me that I never knew about

Shaw XB6 cable modem

[rocky badge]

mine's a whole ass nodejs app lol

[pulsar thorn]

Damn haha

[tender hazel]

I may have to put this stupid thing into a faraday cage

[peak cloak]

Those "block harmful waves" cages

[tender hazel]

yeah, I might actually have a valid use for one.. the only problem is the ones that are sold are altered paper holders with holes in them that would probably make them not work well as faraday cages

[rocky badge]

https://i.ryois.me/ZletPQAjWV.png

uses s3 storage, mysql,

@pulsar thorn these are interesting https://i.ryois.me/IhtY4EZFAY.png

[pulsar thorn]

👍🏻

[rocky badge]

You can just connect to them and display shit lol

[calm fractal]

Anyone have experience with Firewalla and pfSense, and have a strong preference either way? I want to move away from my VZ router but unsure if I want to build a pfSense box or just get Firewalla

[crystal sail]

i just got a raspberry pi and am using it as a nas right now. ive got it setup next to an old router thats being used as a wifi extender which is plugged into the same router as the rpi and my devices connected to the wifi extender is randomly disconnecting and reconnecting now. does this have anything to do with the raspberry pi nas?

[faint bronze]

When a device switches between one access point and another it disconnects then reconnects with there being no internet for a second. There are technologies to lessen the time disconnected I think.

[rocky badge]

that's called roaming

[pulsar thorn]

But most devices will stay connected to the original bssid until it completely dissapears, software defined networks like unifi and Omada have a setting to force the handoff

[rocky badge]

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203068

This explains how Apple mobile devices roam

[pulsar thorn]

I Should read that

[crystal sail]

yeah but like the extender has a different ssid and everything its not switching between networks. sorry if im explaing it badly, i dont know much about networking

[flint rune]

I haven't tried out firwalla, but the gold looks nice.

As for Pfsense I have been running it for many years and it does what it needs to, but there are some configs that just feel backwards / werid compared most other enterprise firewalls. Also there was no wireguard VPN last time I check few years back, hopefully that's changed since it was supposed to be going into free bsd kernel.

However it's free. 🤷‍♂️

If I was gonna buy a new unit for home use today I'd prob give firewall a go, because you can always just return it and fall back to Pfsense for free. Lol

[faint bronze]

So, dual routers? You could set it up in AP mode and run and Ethernet cable to it. That could be better.

[calm fractal]

yeah that's what I'm leaning towards as well haha. Figure I may as well try it out. I really want to get into pfSense but watching youtube vids on various things I'd set up just seem overly complex for someone who doesn't have a great grasp of networking

[faint bronze]

I came to this channel to learn about networking, so I am also not the best with networking terms. My wifi knowledge is really bad. Turning a raspberry pi into a router was fun. Turning it into an AP too was cool not that it was that useful considering the adapter I had for it was well horrible.

[flint rune]

Oh yeah if you don't have a lot of networking expierence you may get frustrated with Pfsense. There are some configuration pages with few details and it kind of just expects you to know what something means.

[tender hazel]

pfsense isn't anything amazing

it is ok for what it is

[calm fractal]

Feel like you just sold me on firewalla

[peak cloak]

Or use something else

[calm fractal]

Like? At the very least I want the ability to VLAN while also having a strong firewall and a built in VPN server and client

[faint bronze]

Openwrt?

You could build your own router out of old hardware or use a PI or other SBC. I have not used it before. It looks promising.

[calm fractal]

Will take a look - I’m fortunate enough to have gigabit so I imagine a Pi wont be able to handle it :\

[flint rune]

If you go to run a firewall on something as weak as a Pi just be sure to checkout what features you want and throughput you need. Esp if you are looking to run an IPS I'd imagine the Pi would struggle w/ gig speeds.

[faint bronze]

https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-user/network/vlan/managed_switch

[rocky badge]

💀 rpi 💀 firewall 💀 ips

[faint bronze]

https://www.servethehome.com/hp-t620-plus-thin-client-and-firewall-vpn-appliance/

FriendlyElec Nanopi R4S Mini Router OpenWRT with Dual- Gbps Ethernet Ports 4GB LPDDR4 Based in RK3399 Soc for IOT NAS Smart Home Gateway

This looks like it could be quite capable once openwrt makes an official release with support for it.

[calm fractal]

Curious if your router already has to have VLAN support built in (if I were flashing OpenWRT onto it)

[faint bronze]

It might work... My guess would be that it should work as long as they are actually sperate interfaces in hardware to the CPU. If they are not separate interfaces I wouldn't know. Some routers appear to be using vlan tagging to separate the different interfaces.

The GL.iNet routers appear to use vlan tagging to determine the interfaces.

[flint rune]

VLAN tagging can be implemented in software, in modern times I have never seen hardware that can't support VLAN tagging. I'd focus more on other features you want, since VLAN tagging should be a given. (I mean yeah make sure box is checked, but it's unlikely to not be. lol)

[faint bronze]

It looks like it could be possible to double vlan tag traffic. https://notsosecure.com/exploiting-vlan-double-tagging/

[flint rune]

I think most routers and switch vendors today advise against native VLANs to help prevent VLAN hopping exploits.

[faint bronze]

Native clans as in what?

VLAN's

[flint rune]

Seems kind of odd these people published this in 2020 when double tagging g has been known VLAN hopping attack vector for a long time. Not seeing anything new in their publishing. 🤔

Native VLAN is when a specific VLAN ID isn't assigned, they aren't assigned an actual ID so on the other end of the trunk it receives the default VLAN.

I have always see VLAN 1 as the native / default VLAN, no idea if this is 100% the same for all vendors but it's what I have seen for every product I have worked with.

[faint bronze]

Interesting. I just read the part that says you can double vlan tag. That was what I was looking for.

[flint rune]

Oh it's not a feature, it's used as an attack vector.

You can in software indicate multiple diff VLANs though, so say you have a printer server you want on VLAN 10 and a phone server software you want on VLAN 5. Using software you can configure them to send their packets out with those VLAN tags out the same NIC.

Although in many cases you configure tagging on the switch and prevent devices from being able to just decide what VLAN they feel like being on / prevent exactly that. 😆

[faint bronze]

I was wondering if it is possible to double vlan tag so that it could be possible to load openwrt on a cheep router and get vlan tagging even though it uses vlan tagging to select between the WAN and LAN.

[flint rune]

Wait it uses a VLAN tag to pick which is WAN / LAN? Never heard of that before.

[faint bronze]

That sounds like what someone suggested before to fix that problem.

[flint rune]

Typically VLAN tags are used on your internal network and segment traffic, I never heard of them being used to set the WAN port on a router.

[faint bronze]

https://openwrt.org/toh/gl.inet/gl-ar750s

This suggests that internally it uses a switch for the WLAN and LAN interfaces with a single physical interface for the switch. I might be reading the eth0.1 and eth0.0 wrong. That is what I think I understand it to mean.

I could be wrong and it could be something else.

[flint rune]

Usually that means virtual interface, so sounds like they created a virtual interface to handle WAN traffic and all others are treated as plain LAN ports.

[faint bronze]

So no VLAN?

Or is it a VLAN?

Is it a switched virtual interface? What's a good explanation of it?

[flint rune]

The description reads like as if it's using a virtual interface, but then it says the word EXAMPLE 1 to 4 and it only has 3 ports unless they are counting the virtual interface? So it may just be the example they wrote and not the actual config, Idk seems like bad docs imo. lol

Looking at the actual img they have posted of the PCB they point out 1 specific port being WAN interface and other 2 being LAN.

What exactly is the question? 😅

[faint bronze]

I am just trying to understand what they are using to get the multiple interfaces. Is is vlan tagging or something else?

[flint rune]

No it's nothing todo with VLAN tagging, the physical device has 3 eth ports. Reading that description sounds like they possible have created an additional virtual interface. (You can create virtual interfaces, but they send traffic out the same physical port. Think like running a virtual machine on your computer.)

[faint bronze]

So they created a software device that acts like a switch? Is that it?

[tender hazel]

You can use mikrotik if you want to have a hobby platform where you can experiment with things

it is very powerful and flexible in many ways

[flint rune]

I honestly can't say what there is reading that doc, doesn't seem clear to me what they are saying since don't know why they would have even created a virtual interface on it. Lots of firewalls / switches have support for creating them, but not sure why they'd ship it with one pre-configured. I'm inclined to just assume those docs are not right / confusing, since it even has big yellow FIX ME icons in the docs. lol

[faint bronze]

Nice.

[tender hazel]

with mikrotik routers you can use any port as a routed port and any group of ports as switched ports

if you have a 5 port device you could use 1 WAN and 4 LAN ports.. or 2 WAN and 3 LAN ports.. or 3 WAN and 2 LAN ports

[flint rune]

That's what a router does it routes traffic you just configure the ports / rules, nothing special about mikrotik with that. lol

They do make cheap gear and I have bought some, nothing wrong with it. 👍

[tender hazel]

not all routers give you flexibility in terms of what ports have what roles

often you are stuck having only one WAN port and 4 LAN ports or something like that

[flint rune]

I have never heard of that, unless you are talking about consumer / home routers. Those yeah they are setup like that, but when business gear like mikrotik it's usually just plain old router.

[tender hazel]

nah, cisco routers for business usually have a single WAN port and a bunch of switched LAN ports

no ability to reconfigure

[flint rune]

Oh weren't those just hybrid devices, not sure they still sell them. (Never used much Cisco due to price lol)

Like wasn't it that X ports were router ports and X were switch, not necessarily that it was 1 WAN port.

Figures Cisco would be a company todo that though lol. I have worked w/ Brocade, HP, Netgear (yeah they make cheapo enterprise stuff too), Dell, and few other brands like that and never saw that on any of theirs.

A lot of firewalls I have seen that setup, since they will physically separate the NIC used for WAN to ensure traffic will flow through the port and it can't be software attacked to bypass processing.

[peak cloak]

Router on a stick

[pulsar thorn]

Note to self: always set an interface for maintenance before changing settings

Currently locked out of pfsense :(

[pulsar thorn]

I’m a genius and used usb Ethernet and made another interface we’re good

[peak cloak]

Yeah I learned that a while back

Had to factory reset a few too many times

[pulsar thorn]

Yeah I should’ve thought before I made the change

It’s 1:30am I’m not surprised I didn’t think lol

[peak cloak]

Or also something like commit-confirm

So it rolls back changes if not confirmed within specified amount of time

[waxen scroll]

We vlan tag on wan all the time in enterprise, sometimes we even tag even if only one network is needed

[pulsar thorn]

Pfsense needs that as an option

[thin hull]

So Im looking for a 2.5gb / 10gb switch / router
As cheap as possible ofc ..
need some ideas what to buy^

Been looking at Zyxel XGS1010
Any suggestions ?

[idle berry]

Looking for some help with ESXi. Need to make it recognize my RAID card and I’m at a loss.

It’s older hardware so I’m already having the difficulty there

[wheat flicker]

why is the network like thi

[low pond]

Bursts, maybe some application doing so?

If it's in just smaller KB/s no need to worry probably

[wheat flicker]

Was watching a stream

And it buffered

[faint bronze]

The work traffic ends up being pretty bursty. It's just the nature of it. If a router is not traffic shaping correctly alot of packets will be dropped. Once they are dropped then the connections start to time out and traffic goes back up. It falls down and then they re transmit again. With traffic shaping it is possible to keep large TCP streams from taking up too much bandwidth and triggering that supper spikey behavior.

Just some stuff I found from Google.

[faint bronze]

Unless you have more than a 1Gbps internet it isn't necessary to have a 2.5Gbps router. If you need more than 1 Gbps then you would need a multi Gbps switch. Those are easier to find.

Also that would cost more than 100USD for just a 5 port switch.

[sweet moss]

Anyone here good with pfSense? 😅

[pulsar thorn]

What have you done now lol

[sweet moss]

Posted some more info in #tech-support , tried adding a pfsense router to a project and nothing is working D:

Atleast I can log in to it I guess

[pulsar thorn]

Wait is it part of its own network, or as a device on your main net?

[peak cloak]

it's a router, you don't just add it

[sweet moss]

It's like on a virtual box network if that makes sense? It is connected to my main network but I'm not going through it on this pc.

[peak cloak]

VM on your PC?

[sweet moss]

It's on another physical computer but yes.