networking

[vestal lotus]

Why do I find the Attic hAP the equivalent of the guy having the easier jobs while poor Living Room and BBox are down there with the harder jobs funny.

[tame carbon]

Through a brick wall

xD

Download is a bit lower

[vestal lotus]

Wow.

[tame carbon]

but upload is dandy

network is busy right now

if I stand next to the AP

I get like 400mbit/s

[vestal lotus]

But also, I looked at some reviews... RouterOS doesn't seem like much fun to learn for more complicated things beyond me, but also, it seems to come with presets of sorts.

I guess that's fine.

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus firewall comes with sensible defaults

doing port forwarding with NAT is relatively easy

The thing is just, if you add a new NAT rule, there's over 50 fields you can fill out

but you only need like 3

most things you don't have to set

and it doesn't really tell you these things

you can enter whatever you want, it doesn't really prevent you from doing things wrong

it just wont yield anything useful, just a broken network

but the thing that makes mikrotik a compelling argument, is quality, price and featureset

@vestal lotus but basically, on your hAP ac2 in the living room, you will end up with a list of all ports and interfaces.

https://i.imgur.com/xGVlmxC.png

Looks a bit like this

You can see my two CAP interfaces

[vestal lotus]

Looks complicated.

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus all the ones with ether1-10 those are ethernet ports

VLANs are not something you'd have to concern yourself with

Those are the blue ones at the bottom >_>

Those go to another building, because people rent internet from me

@vestal lotus you will end up with 1 location where you configure everything

your PPPoE client will be in this list too

that will be your internet access

your wireless APs will be in this list

[vestal lotus]

And the software for windows allows me to tinker?

[tame carbon]

You can either go through the web configuration
https://i.imgur.com/3L83QCZ.png

[green forge]

@lean pebbleI think resetting the router fixed itself

[tame carbon]

or their desktop utility winbox: https://i.imgur.com/J3jjc93.png

@vestal lotus it looks complicated, because there's lots of interfaces on my core router

This is what it would look like for the hAP in your attic: https://i.imgur.com/ThjknkW.png

its wireless interfaces are handled remotely (forwarded by caps)

I can help you configure this stuff

when time comes

[vestal lotus]

Would bridge be the one handling the internet or something?

[tame carbon]

nah, a bridge is to connect multiple interfaces together

[vestal lotus]

Oh.

[tame carbon]

interfaces are assigned to a bridge

[plain siren]

A switch is a Bridge with multiple ports.

[tame carbon]

^

https://i.imgur.com/WNjDpzv.png

[plain siren]

I think we can get the login creds off that BBox, too bad we dont have a soldering iron

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus make up your mind first. If you decide to buy these things, you're welcome to ask us here for guidance to setting them up

Quite a few people here use mikrotik, or know how to use it

[vestal lotus]

How much of a difference would I expect, if we were to compare the hAP ac2 to that hilarious WiFi booster from Proximus? (oddly enough, that booster is made by a company called technicolor)

[tame carbon]

stability and coverage would be better

[plain siren]

Booster/Relay

Lets not ever use these

[tame carbon]

^

@vestal lotus boosters are terrible

its like having two wifi connections in series

wifi is already trash

lets not do it twice

[plain siren]

technicolor also made your routers software/firmware (the bbox's) specific for your ISP

[vestal lotus]

[Something] Sagemcom was what I saw in that ninja label on the Bbox.

[tame carbon]

@plain siren he has bbox3

[plain siren]

Sagemcom was who they copied from, Technicolor was the contractor to hire to make the further modifications

[vestal lotus]

I have reason to believe the original box doesn't have those mods.

Same thing could be said about that booster.

🤔

Really makes me think that the ISP equipment customers are given are just rebrands with specific mods.

[tame carbon]

https://nl.forum.proximus.be/archieven-2018-56/pppoe-op-eigen-router-enkele-vragen-44111

[vestal lotus]

Like a coat of paint on a crappy product.

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus btw do you use voice at all? :p

[plain siren]

Was it Sagemcom F@ST By any chance

[vestal lotus]

I do, but here specifically, no. I'm a lurker.

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus according to internet it says

[plain siren]

I think we got ourself a way in per chance.

[tame carbon]

you can log into MyProximus

and request the PPPoE details online

you just have to go to the ISPs website

and login with your account

[vestal lotus]

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://nl.forum.proximus.be/archieven-2018-56/pppoe-op-eigen-router-enkele-vragen-44111

[tame carbon]

Fuck

I just realized

@vestal lotus you were right. https://i.imgur.com/6zrvRs3.png

Do this ^

[vestal lotus]

I think it wasn't like that before Corona hit.
But hey, if it makes it easier for the employees to not have to do that manually, the better. 🤷

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus this is basically what you want

I thought this was your router's webpage

and not the help pages from your service provider

[hollow marlin]

Well technically a bridge is software and a switch is hardware.

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus don't change this now though.

[vestal lotus]

Pfft.

[tame carbon]

Dont want to change the password

because you still depend on it right now

@vestal lotus perhaps you still have the welcome letter

you should have received this information when you first started using the internet

but good

at least we know you can request them

[plain siren]

Wow, thanks fucking Warship

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus being in control of your own internet connection is kinda, beneficial

you have much greater degree of control

and if you ever want something specific

you can be sure you can dial it in

and having your net speed, you could even host a couple games or such

[vestal lotus]

Yeah. That, and there's this convo I had:
Mom, me: at garage
Mom: motions to copper cables "if you can get the copper out of those, i'll sell them, give 1/2 to you and 1/2 to [Aquarius BF - absolute asshole]"
Me: doesn't have a job yet, doesn't have own house but also thinks it's better to stay close to family
Also me: motivated by the money thing, but also, because i can direct my destructive touch into something that's safe to destroy, won't be missed and won't have any negative consequences "okay"

[tame carbon]

developers work from home most of the time

its booming bussiness

I just have a 2nd room as my office

and work 9 to 5

my team I keep in touch with over internet :P

its just that due to the pandemic

lots of industries have completely crashed

[vestal lotus]

If I were to work from home, I'd want to compartmentalize.

[tame carbon]

that's what I did yeah

I have a seperate computer for work

first day, I immediately installed linux on it xD

so some actual work can be done

[vestal lotus]

I'd assume Windows is distracting?

[tame carbon]

It slows me down too much and it makes me angry

@plain siren after 2 years I finally patched away from 1909 today

took 30 minutes

[vestal lotus]

(also, retired the MX Vertical for the OG MX Master I have- vertical has a bit of a double click problem)

[tame carbon]

And it didnt crash, I am happy.

[vestal lotus]

Good to hear! 😄

[tame carbon]

Didnt want to spend my day off having to install windows

I wanted to play videogames

[vestal lotus]

I'm looking forward to the currently being tested in insider which has cool things big update for Win10.

[tame carbon]

Yeah idk, all the windows stuff the workflows and such

[plain siren]

Windows is getting some nice comfort feature updates for sure

[tame carbon]

too much third party stuff you have to install

Yeah but...

Why cant it just be stable

lol

this other day, one server just rebooted itself

and broke RDP session and POS processor

[vestal lotus]

There's an early bug fix level in Windows Insider. Release Preview it's called.

[tame carbon]

for a restaurant

[vestal lotus]

Basically an early Patch Tuesday.

[tame carbon]

You don't understand xD

[vestal lotus]

Oh.

[tame carbon]

Last login: Tue Apr 20 20:53:22 2021 from 10.244.164.109
crystal@main:~$ uptime
 17:03:33 up 661 days, 23:45,  8 users,  load average: 2.10, 2.52, 2.23

[vestal lotus]

Should have kept the 420 days. 😏

[plain siren]

You honestly shouldnt run a box that long

[vestal lotus]

So, it caused a little bit of a domino effect? Because other things were relying on that server?

[tame carbon]

@plain siren its completely fw'd off

database server

xD

I am not rebooting this machine

all those users are just dangling tmux sessions from various users

[tame carbon]

that's how they figured out something was wrong

and I logged into the VM hypervisor remotely, to see what the windows virtual machine was up to

it had rebooted itself installed feature update and was stuck at some kind of "Accept license agreement" screen

the thing is

That machine is completely isolated

it only has one job

[vestal lotus]

One thing people give Win10 shit for?
It doing things the people don't want it to do.

[tame carbon]

it does a lot of unnessesary stuff

https://i.imgur.com/U5n7cPu.png

[plain siren]

Who knows if itll reboot

[tame carbon]

I really do have to upgrade my distro though

@plain siren not an issue

if it does get rebooted

I have a toolkit ready on the hypervisor

and I can just use a rescue image to fix bootloader

as long as kernel starts lol

I can fix all other issues

hardware issue cannot be solved by keyboard mashing

kernel update breaking boot only happened to me like once.

on ubuntu that is

on Arch I actually had it 3 times where some update just broke something

and I got fed up

and went back to ubuntu

new 20.04 is very nice

[vestal lotus]

Not sure why Amazon is telling me about the TL-PA8030PKIT.

New model, makes sense. But why though.

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus thats their whole business model

they sell you something

and in 5 years it breaks

and you buy their new and improved™️

t

hat's a different one

@vestal lotus the one I recommended only has 1 port

@vestal lotus interesting

I didnt know mikrotik sold these

sadly only 2.4Ghz

they are limited to 100mbit

but thats best case ofcourse

and they actually run RouterOS xD

[vestal lotus]

Gotta love it when the booster craps out.

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus these just run as a network router lol

except they have a powerline interface built in

and runs routerOS

these would be configurable in same way you can configure a hAP as a controlled AP

[hidden socket]

What does buying a new router really help with? cause from what i know theirs really no market for it here in the uk

[tame carbon]

well you need at least one xD

generally its because the one provided by your ISP is terrible and you wish to do some more advanced network configurations

and if you run your own highspeed NAS and such, you may want to also look into this kind of stuff

@hidden socket if you wanted to have a larger wireless network without using a booster, you may want a different brand and hardware to do this properly

at low speeds generally you don't notice this

but once you go higher speed, lot of devices it can get complicated

[tender hazel]

MikroTik also has PWR-LINE PRO

[tame carbon]

@tender hazel but they are very expensive

you need two

[tender hazel]

it is a higher speed power line interface without the built in AP

yeah

[tame carbon]

I guess quality xD

or just a bad idea in general

[tender hazel]

the regular powerline probably cannot sustain a very high data rate to begin with, which is why they only put a 100Mbps port on it and 2.4ghz wireless instead of dual band

[tame carbon]

@tender hazel the wireless one wouldnt make sense

they are just dropping two hAP ac2s in the place

one in living room, the other in attic

and a powerline inbetween

and the existing BBox will just forward ethernet, the hap handles pppoe

[hidden socket]

Alright, Thank you!

[vestal lotus]

sigh
Well, it wasn't the router, it was Asshole BF purposefully unplugging the booster and bbox to get me to come down for dinner. Because of this 7 PM = Dinner time rule.

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus they better not do that shit with your new router

it will break if you do that often enough

best to gracefully shut them down

[vestal lotus]

UK: They did that with that ADSL box the UK has (microfilter), even straight up unplugging the PSU.
Belgium: Not that I recall. But they did just now.

[tame carbon]

they better not do that shit later on

this kind of stuff isnt a toy

[vestal lotus]

Oh, he will.

[tame carbon]

Well you tell him

or just shut down internet for him alltogether :P

[vestal lotus]

He'd probably just use his data, but I'd shut him out.

THough, he'd find out.

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus ideally

you make it inaccessible

my AP is hidden

:P

[vestal lotus]

Again, he'd probably find out.

I mean, with NextDNS, I can control the domains and such, what gets blocked, what doesn't.

[tame carbon]

what would do even do that to begin with

just..

its utilities

dont fuck around with them

if he is

who does he think he is

xD

[vestal lotus]

looks at onenote with 29 questions clearly highlighting things he has done in the past while also questioning mom on some of it

You don't want to open that box.

That's all I'll say.

Anyway, moving on.

https://adguard.com/en/blog/dns-over-quic.html

[tame carbon]

and then you use another dns server

and it all stops working

:P

[vestal lotus]

From what I can tell, this might not improve very fast internet speeds?

But it does seem to do something TCP doesn't: just deliver the rest of the stuff.

[tame carbon]

not sure what the issue is

but your router can just cache dns responses

[vestal lotus]

I suppose you have a point.

Who DNS-Over-QUIC is for, I'm... not sure.

But it's a cool technology, even if it's in its infancy.

[peak cloak]

kinda

QUIC is tcp kinda on udp

[vestal lotus]

https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/12/22433134/fragattacks-wi-fi-vulnerabilities-update-security

😬

[peak cloak]

reason to use ethernet

[mighty wind]

Ill have to get a 50' network cable so i can walk around my apartment with my phone tethered.

[hollow marlin]

DoH + QUIC to reduce the latency from TCP. If they already use DoH, it might be of benefit but DoH or DoQ and security is really a moot point in the overall picture

[little schooner]

@peak cloak with the help of some cable clips that tape to the walls, I migrated off my WiFi access to a physical copper cable. at the same time, that's when Comcast started offering internet packages that made sense

could get a gig for 69.99

upload is 35 but someday I hope it improves

@mighty wind my cable runs along the trim and door frames, mostly hidden

I think it was a 70 foot cable

[peak cloak]

nice

[little schooner]

Now.... to determine if they will stay sticked to the wall during the hot summer months

I've had things come down from the wall bc of that

[thorny vector]

When in doubt, more screws/nails

[nova furnace]

Zip ties never fail

[thorny vector]

They do when they melt. Ask me how I know

[nova furnace]

It transforms into glue

THEY DONT FAIL

but still how do you know ?

[thorny vector]

Used zipties to fasten a heatsink to a cpu

[nova furnace]

Ok you tried

[thorny vector]

It worked. Ish.

[thick minnow]

exactly.....

[thorny vector]

Nothing new. Same end state, different path. Wifi has always been sad-bad

Although, if you're being target by someone who's weaponized this round of exploits, you got other problems

[thick minnow]

f

[tame carbon]

morning folks

[nova furnace]

100 mbps gone

i just kill myself

[short condor]

Hi guys. Is there a product that will let me connect a hdmi cable from my server to it and then give me access to what the server displays via this cable and broadcast it over the network?

[thorny vector]

@short condor What kind of server? Just set up some remote client to do it

[short condor]

Unraid. Problem is I want to get access to it when it goes down (it crashes for some reason) without connecting a display to it. It is on the attic.

I can not access it over the network when it crashes. I have to hard-restart it.

[thorny vector]

If the server itself has an ipmi port, or supports wake-over-lan, you can do something like that. Otherwise you'll have to physically restart it anyways

[short condor]

I have a pc close by though. Both with hdmi ports. Can a hdmi output act as a hdmi input? 😅

[thorny vector]

No, hdmi doesn't support that

A port is either input or output, not both

[short condor]

I know, but when it crashes I can’t see the logs over the internet. I want to be able to access the hdmi output to see what error it gives. Because when it crashes I can’t access it through the web-interface over IP or through smb or ssh.

[peak cloak]

what you want is a kvm

an ip kvm

if you don't have something like IPMI

[thorny vector]

When you say crash, are you saying services crash, or the server? Because if the server crashes, the logs get dumped anyways

[short condor]

I am not sure. The problem I am having is that for some reason, on seemingly random occasions it becomes unavailable over smb and i can not access it over the web on my local network. Only solution is that I press the restart button. This is my setup.

[thorny vector]

Try checking syslog, faillog, and kern.log to see why its failing

Before spending money on a remote use solution, spend it fixing the error

[short condor]

I have one type of log already downloaded. No errors showing. Only transfers.

[thorny vector]

What log though?

linux has quite a few

[short condor]

Syslog

Can I send it here for you to take a look? 🤔

[thorny vector]

Sure

[thorny vector]

any older kern.logs or older syslogs?

[short condor]

i only find syslogs

[thorny vector]

/var/log ?

[short condor]

in terminal?

[thorny vector]

well, yeah

[short condor]

which ones do you want? 🙂

[thorny vector]

messages, syslog.1, and debug

[spiral anchor]

how well do powerline adapters work? I have gigabit internet in my house on the ground floor. However, my pc is in my room one floor up and it's pretty much impossible to route an ethernet cable to my room. The wifi is absolute crap up here.

[short condor]

i have connected my NIBE heater and some other stuff and it works fine for me. i get around 300mb up/down no problem.

[spiral anchor]

do you have any recommended brands and models?

[peak cloak]

powerline depends on a lot

like wiring quality

etc

electrical load

[short condor]

i use these: TP-Link TL-PA4010KIT

[spiral anchor]

the thing is i don't know anything about those stuff

[short condor]

Best you can do is buy and try them out. if it works it works. otherwise return them. 🙂

[spiral anchor]

thanks

[spiral anchor]

we dont have any return policies here unfortunately

[peak cloak]

amazon?

[spiral anchor]

nope

we dont have amazon here "locally"

i'm from the southeast asia

[short condor]

Aha, ok. Well i dont know then 😄

[spiral anchor]

thanks though

[tame carbon]

@spiral anchor powerline is suboptimal

but the ones from tplink are "good enough"

real world performance heavily depends on quality of house wiring, and local noise on the grid

[spiral anchor]

I see. So the only thing I can do is get one and try it, right?

[tame carbon]

They aren't that expensive

I've got ones here in suboptimal configuration

and they still push ~45mbit/s

enough for a networked printer

[spiral anchor]

yeah it's kinda a tough choice because 5GHz wifi reaches my room and I get ~30 Mbps sometimes 100. It's just very, very unstable and unreliable

[tame carbon]

yeah 5GHz through a wall is iffy at best

[mighty wind]

Well I ordered my Mikrotik CRS326-24G-2S+RM to replace two desktop TP-Link SG108E switches

[tame carbon]

Noice

@mighty wind welcome to the club

moving up in the world, unmanaged --> managed

[mighty wind]

no those little TP-Links are managed not much but the cheapest and smallest switches that support 802.1Q Vlans

[tame carbon]

@mighty wind some of those unmanaged switches are very nasty. They strip vlan headers

for whatever reason.

[mighty wind]

Yeah that's why I went with the E variant to get some management with VLAN support. Comes in handy as an access switch on job sites.

[tame carbon]

Have you used mtik before?

[mighty wind]

Saved my butt in Vietnam where they only speced 24 port switches with all ports used. I have one of the 4 port 10G switches already for my NAS, PC, and PVE host

[tame carbon]

CRS305 then?

I have that one hanging in the closet in here

Neat little switch

[mighty wind]

yep

[tame carbon]

I use it as backbone here

All my highspeed devices are connected to it

Router, Server, Desktop

and then another switch, which goes to another building

and vlans throughout

theoretically

if you only had that CRS326, and <1G internet

you could use it as a router too xD

[mighty wind]

Im working on setting up an Odroid H2+ as a pfsense router to save power and last longer stand alone if teh power goes out

[lyric nebula]

Does disabling windows defender and update affect performance in low end pc’s?

[mighty wind]

right now its on my PVE host

[tame carbon]

@mighty wind That CRS326 can route too, though it pins the CPU @ 1200mbit

not sure what your odroid can push

[mighty wind]

Yeah but i need more than just a router which is why i use pf sense

[peak cloak]

pfsense...

[tame carbon]

I mean..

[peak cloak]

what do you need?

[tame carbon]

CRS326 can do all of what RouterOS can do

It'd beat your odroid without blinking

Its not really ment for routing, but its fast enough to do so at 1200mbit/s tops

[mighty wind]

I dont have a need for much L3 routing on my LAN more just firewall and vpn capabilities

[tame carbon]

PPP -> Create new Interface

though may want a hAP ac2 if you use ipsec and such

really straining the CPU on the CRS326 if you were to do that

@mighty wind firewall and vpn can be done yeah

[peak cloak]

so firewall and vpn?, routeros can do both.

[tame carbon]

though all depends on what rates you need

[peak cloak]

pfsense is ehhh

[tame carbon]

if its <1G you can use the CRS for it xD

[mighty wind]

I'd rather not have my switch be the all in one solution plus Im not confident with RouterOS. Its interface is less than desired and Id rather not have to get into the CLI for everything

[peak cloak]

vyos is also good

[tame carbon]

Don't need the CLI to use it, but fine :)

[mighty wind]

Also I have not seen any major audits for Mikrotik RouterOS

[tame carbon]

lol

[mighty wind]

Ill keep to having a seperate firewall on my wan instead of teh main switch im using for everything

[tame carbon]

Cisco has audits

but their software is still as ill-secured as ever

[peak cloak]

netgate also is kinda bad

[tame carbon]

I trist mikrotik more in that regard

[peak cloak]

they claim open source

[tame carbon]

I can be sure there's no NSA backdoor in it

With Cisco, I know there's a backdoor in it

Same with Juniper

[mighty wind]

Everything is hackable

[tame carbon]

@mighty wind yeah but that is not the same as deliberately putting a backdoor in it

Cisco has been caught with this before, on two occasions

Juniper once, at least that I know of

I dont need premium-entrance for NSA on my network.

[willow hinge]

Any good 10Gb routers and modem for a large warehouse style building?

[peak cloak]

10gig modem?

dociss can't even go that high?

[willow hinge]

Yes

[tame carbon]

@willow hinge Full 10G in and out? Duplex ?

[peak cloak]

why

[willow hinge]

Full 10g in and out

[peak cloak]

modem? or for fiber?

[tame carbon]

CCR-something

[willow hinge]

Fiber

[peak cloak]

then not a modem

you need to figure out the type of fiber service

[tame carbon]

@willow hinge many vendors exist. but if you require full 10G duplex routing.. you'll be looking at something like this:
https://mikrotik.com/product/ccr2004_1g_12s_2xs

I only know of this one vendor

This one can do 10G and then some

[indigo ore]

if i want a wifi 6 router purely for vr wireless

anyone got recommendations ?

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak I finally got some actual progress at work :D

I can now push code, and it automatically gets built and deployed

[nova furnace]

are there m.2 network "cards" with black pcb ?

[tame carbon]

[nova furnace]

why do you laugh at me ? i like black pcbs

[tame carbon]

You had me at m.2 network cards

I died when I saw the black pcb part

could always use a riser

[nova furnace]

isnt it m.2 ?

[tame carbon]

that's a wireless network adapter

[thick minnow]

What do you need?

[nova furnace]

thats what imeant sorry

[tame carbon]

whut

these go in laptops

[thick minnow]

You want Wifi?

[nova furnace]

just a tiny network wifi in black

[tame carbon]

idk

[nova furnace]

or a way to get it black

[tame carbon]

I don't sort my hardware by pcb color

I couldnt care less

[nova furnace]

ok so i gonna throw a heatsink on it thx

[tame carbon]

have you tried googling google?

[thick minnow]

Why black?

Is it for a pc with a window

[nova furnace]

my complete build is black

and without having an gpu only an apu it would burn your eyes

[thick minnow]

why do you want an m.2 wifi card, they arent meant for desktops

Do you have a free pcie slot?

[nova furnace]

3x 16x and 4x 1x

[thick minnow]

Get a pcie one

[nova furnace]

yeah with heatsink on it it should be fine thx

[thick minnow]

How strong is the signal in the room

[nova furnace]

i really only want it for bluetooth and i will have a router 10 meters away

[thick minnow]

I'd just get a cheap one then

[tame carbon]

Someone ought to invent IP over Marx Generator

[thick minnow]

TP-LINK WLAN Adapter ARCHER TX50E or something, its black

[nova furnace]

ok thx

[proud harbor]

Hi guys, i'm interested in a NAS, but i don't fully understand the way it is connected and accesed via an OS, any tutorials?

[tender hazel]

you access it by browsing the network for it in windows explorer on a PC, or by mapping a network drive to it

[unborn hamlet]

for under 3.5k USD what storage server can i get that has more than 15tb of usable space after zfs overhead and that stuff

[tender hazel]

You can look at something in the Q-Nap line

the drives aren't sold with the Q-Nap so you have some options for what drives you want

[waxen saddle]

I have a QNAP TS-332X non-cloud integrated, love the little guy. ~14TB of usable space with 3 8TB drives. Samsung 970 NVME as a cache and I can read and write at 1GB line speed. It has a 10GB port on it too, but I don’t have that set up yet.

It took some finagling with initial setup for windows file sharing to get the permissions the way I want them, but I was able to do it and it just straight-up works. No worries on my part. Even have automated backup.

[simple frigate]

chrome has been very slow..

I have a 100mbps connection and only on chrome It takes forever to download even small things

(or any other browser)

[slow sparrow]

it really depends on the bandwidth of the server too

if you do get 100 mbps network, then probably is is the server bottle necking you

[vestal lotus]

https://i.imgur.com/H4ulklG.png

NOS (Portuguese ISP, essentially my grandma's choice for a while) seems to be using this router for their fiber clients.

I think I did take a look at the bottom of it at some point.

What I'm not sure of was if Technicolor or Sagemcom gave them that model.

It's Sagemcom.

Still, not that bad of an ISP router! 👍

[steep grail]

so I got that Asus router up and running. Looking good so far . Very easy UI and no random drops yet.

[lean pebble]

Feels like my friend old hosting company that sells dedicated server as vps with limited upload speed even inside the same datacenter

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble transit is expensive

even in a datacenter

these are still billed in megabit/second/month

[lean pebble]

Man he get 0.5MBps

[low pond]

Not as much as 1Gbps from my ISP apparently.

😆

[lean pebble]

The bill mention dedicated server but he gets vps instead

Vps that runs on on VMware esxi

[short condor]

how do i get into the bios on my unraid machine? i have tried everything. connected a display and restarted like i do on a regular pc but it wont give me the press del (or similar) to boot into bios and so on. it just goes straight into booting unraid

I have two "lsi pcie to 8xSata" cards installed. can this make things not work?

[lean pebble]

Why this dkms not working properly...

[thick minnow]

What OEM?

[short condor]

Asus is the motherboard manufacturor. it is self built. The lsi cards are probably the problem because it seems that they still have their bios on them and it boots into them instead of the motherboard bios. how do i get around this?

[sly zealot]

hey ppl NAS noob here
ok , so i wanna make a NAS
but the thing is i am not allowed to use a router or a central network
so , i wanna make it such that , when i power it on , it would create a wifi hotspot to which i can connect with my other devices and transfer data that way and i dont know how to do that , what image would be suitable for it and any other help is appriciated

alr8 , ping me if u reply 🙃

[tame carbon]

@sly zealot do you have your own private internet access?

I mean

you don't need internet to use a NAS

[sly zealot]

it would be used just like a normal nas , i.e just at home , i dont need to access it from elsewhere

[tame carbon]

There's your storage, and then there's your network

the thing that makes it a NAS, is a program that provides this storage to the network

that's only one small part of it

[sly zealot]

yes , but generally there is a central network that all these device including nas connect to

[tame carbon]

Yeah, that would best be by wire

[sly zealot]

and the thing is i just wanna totally ditch the network

[tame carbon]

The NAS connects to the network that all the devices that access the NAS are on

[sly zealot]

i have already explained what i have in mind in the question , i want to have a hotspot on the nas machine that other devices can connect to

[tame carbon]

So you need a wireless access point and a computer with a storage on it

[sly zealot]

yes , so currently i have a machine just lying around

[tame carbon]

Does it have wireless ?

[sly zealot]

it currently has 2 gigs of ram amd athlon processor

umm

[tame carbon]

athlon > 2gigs

[sly zealot]

like a wireless adapter ??

[tame carbon]

@sly zealot might want to get a seperate device for the wireless

since you are kinda running your own tiny network

with wireless access

[sly zealot]

what device ??

like a wifi adapter ??

[tame carbon]

a router with wireless

or just a wireless AP

[sly zealot]

lol

[tame carbon]

You connect the computer with a network cable

and provide a wireless network on the AP

[sly zealot]

and how can i do that ??

[tame carbon]

Do you have a router or something you can use for this?

otherwise, I could recommend you a product

[sly zealot]

i am not sure what u mean bye wireless ap (i know its access point) , but like what product ?? like , is a usb wifi adapter an ap ??

[sly zealot]

no

[tame carbon]

https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2

Can be configured to do anything you want

has 5x gigabit ethernet

and dual band wireless

[sly zealot]

but i dont want the ethernet ??

[tame carbon]

... I am not sure I understand

You connect your NAS to that

[sly zealot]

🤦‍♂️

[tame carbon]

and it would provide the wireless access you wanted

[thick minnow]

Wait, I think he wants a NAS connected over WiFi

[tame carbon]

oh god

no pls no xD

[thick minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/noo-no-god-please-mad-angry-the-office-gif-17890671

[sly zealot]

i am not gonna stream fhd videos over it
i just wanna back some pics up to it

[tame carbon]

@sly zealot toss any old wireless card in the computer

and just have it connect to your existing network

ezgame

[sly zealot]

i dont think u understand

wait

i have a better example

do u know about raspberry pi ??

[tame carbon]

Yes

[sly zealot]

ok , so lets say , i connect a 1tb hdd to it , put some NAS os on it so that , it wont need to be connnected to a network and i can just take it anywhere

and whenever i wanna back up my photos i would power it on , it would create a wifi hotspot , i would connect to it with my lets say mobile and transfer data that way

[tame carbon]

...

[thick minnow]

That's literally what he was saying

[peak cloak]

That's not a nas

More like a hdd with wifi

[sly zealot]

well , yes technically not a nas

[tame carbon]

I said:
45 PM] Crystal: You connect the computer with a network cable
[4:46 PM] Crystal: and provide a wireless network on the AP

The product I recommended would create a wireless network

you could also do this on the computer itself, but it would require a wireless network adapter

[sly zealot]

do i need to have that device ??

[tame carbon]

You need something that provides a wireless hotspot

and run a DHCP server on that

[sly zealot]

hmm

[tame carbon]

to hand out IP addresses to clients connected to it

@sly zealot I still think this will be an iffy solution

every phone will complain when it connects

because it doesnt provide internet

and you have to explicitly select that you want to connect only for its resources

and not for internet

really annoying

[sly zealot]

it would be a matter of minutes for which i will connect to it coz i will disconnect from it when i am done

[tame carbon]

@sly zealot I mean, if you wanted it to be self contained

You could use a network adapter

alternatively

you use an external device to provide the hotspot

I'd say that is easier

[peak cloak]

There are already solutions for that

Kinda

Not very well polished

[sly zealot]

like ??

[tame carbon]

idk, this sort of hacky stuff, I would do myself

[peak cloak]

I don't remember the name

Let me try to find it

[tame carbon]

I dont trust a manufacturer to be able to provide a product to do exactly that

[sly zealot]

yes 😂

well , can you send me some amazon links ?? @tame carbon

[tame carbon]

just google hAP ac2

[sly zealot]

k , on it

[tame carbon]

make sure you Do NOT get the TC or the Lite version

regular hAP ac2

its around $60

[peak cloak]

https://www.amazon.com/250GB-Passport-Wireless-External-Portable/dp/B07C8LHTH1/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=portable+wifi+nas&qid=1621090687&sr=8-5

[tame carbon]

@sly zealot funny enough

[peak cloak]

I guess this could work

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak that hAP ac2 has a usb connection

it itself could provide storage

[peak cloak]

The one thing you don't get with diy is compactness

[sly zealot]

$500 for that ?? 😂

[peak cloak]

See

[sly zealot]

no thanks ill do it manually 😂

[peak cloak]

The price

[tame carbon]

@sly zealot the thing is, do you want this to be battery powered? :D

[peak cloak]

Its 130

[sly zealot]

i am not sure yet , i am gonna implement this on that junk pc and if it works , then maybe yes

[sly zealot]

for 1tb ??

[peak cloak]

Ohh

1tb

Ssds aren't exactly cheap

[thick minnow]

And HDDs are well...... Fragile

[sly zealot]

i dont even need a ssd

[peak cloak]

If you want it to be portable

Use ssds

[sly zealot]

not yet

[sly zealot]

if i do it on a raspberry pi , ofc i would use a ssd

@tame carbon can a esp8266 do that ?? 🤔

wait ill send a pic of what it is

it says soft AP , so it probably wont do it

[tame carbon]

that hAP ac2 will push ~400-500mbit in ideal scenarios

on 5GHz

and an esp8266 is hillariously underpowered

[sly zealot]

yeah 😂

wait i think i found what i need

[tame carbon]

@sly zealot if you wanna DIY it anyways

You buy one of these

[peak cloak]

That's more for like iot thing's

[tame carbon]

or do it built in

I mean. either works

[sly zealot]

ik 👍

[tame carbon]

having it all in one box feels wrong

[sly zealot]

exactly 😂

[tame carbon]

@sly zealot you'll likely end up with some linux distribution

manually creating a hotspot in there, is kindof a big pain

[sly zealot]

like ??

[tame carbon]

idk

Debian?

[sly zealot]

maybe ?

[tame carbon]

Its what I'd use

but thats mostly because all my linux distros are debian, or debian-like

Ubuntu for the most part

[thick minnow]

ARCH FTW!

/s

[sly zealot]

ok , so a linux os on which some sort of nas service right ??

[peak cloak]

Nah I like my stability

Oh

The s

[tame carbon]

@sly zealot for networked storage there are multiple solutions

[thick minnow]

You could just install Plex onto any Linux distro that support sit

[tame carbon]

most common is SMB

https://www.samba.org/

[peak cloak]

I've never really seen suse used anywhere

[tame carbon]

Samba is used for things like windows network drives

[peak cloak]

Like

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak I have

Tumbleweed

[peak cloak]

Whats suse good for?

[tame carbon]

https://www.opensuse.org/

[peak cloak]

Like what's good about it

[tame carbon]

Bleeding edge, developing

[peak cloak]

Yeah ik

Yeah but what about leap

[sly zealot]

ok , thanks for the help ppl , ill do a bit more research and update u guys later

[tame carbon]

bleeding edge

@peak cloak why do people use debian

[thick minnow]

Stable?

[tame carbon]

And tumbleweed isnt?

what about Fedora?

[thick minnow]

Well, from my experince Both of them are pretty stable

[tame carbon]

Choice of distro is down to preference

[peak cloak]

I'm most familiar with debian based distros

[tame carbon]

as are most other people

Debian is the most forked distribution there is

[peak cloak]

Followed by red hat

[tame carbon]

redhat is meh

they invent a shitty standard, and then force everyone to use that

instead of making their own shit interoperable with existing systems

looking at you systemd.

[coarse marsh]

hey what's a good wifi mesh system

[tame carbon]

no such thing

[sly zealot]

hey @tame carbon , can i use a wifi repeater ??

[coarse marsh]

what can you recommend then?

[tame carbon]

@coarse marsh what is you are looking for? Wider coverage on your network?

[coarse marsh]

yes

[tame carbon]

Solution is more access points

but connected by cable

mesh only crowds the airspace even more, making it less reliable

[coarse marsh]

thing is I don't own this house

I'm renting so like

[tame carbon]

What kind of speed you have/want ?

Because you can always get yourself some powerline adapters

[coarse marsh]

I rn have 200mb

[tame carbon]

They plug into the wall, and use the electric system to pair to another

Though not ideal, they are more reliable than a mesh

[coarse marsh]

I see

[tame carbon]

Problem with mesh is that.. it has to connect to another AP that may already have a poor signal

[coarse marsh]

Got itg

[tame carbon]

@coarse marsh have a look on tplinks website

they sell powerline adapters

[coarse marsh]

alright

[tame carbon]

I tried looking for it, but the stuff they sell here is not what they have in the US

different plugs and such

@coarse marsh as for wireless access points, depends. various solutions that exist

Tplink omeda has a managed solution for multiple access points too

so the APs work together

its quite affordable

I myself use mikrotik to do this, but that's a lot more involved in configuration

[coarse marsh]

alright thanks

[low pond]

Fedora is bleeding edge

[opaque stirrup]

ive got a situation that i cant figure out i have a server running windows 10 pro with hyper v i run a few ubuntu server virtual machines on it but they can access my home network is there anyway i could only allow certain ports out or re route all the traffic to a vpn ive tried messing with vlans but my router and switches cant do it 😦

[tame carbon]

vlans are the way yes

you create a vlan interface for the virtual machine

and then another one, on the VPN client

either your router, or another machine

[kindred oar]

I wanna learn about networking i am like fresh and noob in this topic where to look?

[tame carbon]

@kindred oar oof. that's a tough one

@kindred oar are you looking for formal education/certification? or just home lab?

[kindred oar]

Home lab

[tame carbon]

Well

for starters: https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/

[opaque stirrup]

@tame carbonso make one private switch between the guest vms and a virtual machine running some firewall software and an external connection going to the firewall?

[tame carbon]

They also have a discord server

[kindred oar]

Thanksssss

[tame carbon]

And ofcourse, you're always welcome to ask here

We nerd out at times over hardware too

[kindred oar]

Awesome

Thanks a ton

[tame carbon]

@kindred oar many of us who frequent this channel have their own home lab

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/776722183119699988/777646103775674368/IMG-20200922-WA0001.jpg

I have a 10G local network for example :)

fiber optics ❤️

[kindred oar]

Ooooooooo looks interesting

[opaque stirrup]

If i blocked all ports to the ubuntu server apart from the openvpn port would that work?

[tame carbon]

@opaque stirrup can you not just create some kind of wireguard client on the host itself?

if its just one machine, why try to do it at your network level

you'd want a device that can do this

doesn't your router have a feature for this?

[opaque stirrup]

lmao no

both of them are bad

[tame carbon]

well then, replace that junk

and get something that is workable

@kindred oar that setup I posted, totalled about $500 bucks, $900 for the server (NAS) underneath

There's another switch in this setup (not in this picture)

[kindred oar]

Woaahh great!!

[opaque stirrup]

the default modem one is rubbish and the mesh wifi works well i could put a router in the middle of the 2 but would i not need to buy new switches to allow vlans?

[thick minnow]

Or at least try to

[tame carbon]

A raspberry pi would qualify.

So yes

[kindred oar]

I will be setting up a NAS for my small office :) so will learn a lot setting it up will use truenas

[tame carbon]

meh

freebsd

alien technology to me

[opaque stirrup]

eww nas i use windows file sharing 😎

[thick minnow]

eww windows i use Fedora server 😎

/s

[tame carbon]

Debian here, btrfs for storage and the NAS is just good old samba and sshfs

pushes ~3.5gbit/s

[kindred oar]

For a noobie like me ig truenas is better right??

[tame carbon]

I mean

sure

but at some point

you'll want to learn how to use linux

its kinda, the OS to run network services with

[thick minnow]

But also, Yea. Linux might also end up being sorta easier. idk

[tame carbon]

I know I can fix something on linux

[kindred oar]

I guess i Will learn as i go

[tame carbon]

freebsd is at least unix based, but it still hurts my head when dealing with issues

same with macOS

I can do basic stuff with the terminal

[kindred oar]

Will check freebsd too

[tame carbon]

but hardware and kernel settings, are beyond me

@kindred oar no TrueNAS is a FreeBSD system

Its a kernel

[kindred oar]

I wanted to know how to access the nas online?? Any easy way to set it up?

[kindred oar]

Oh

[tame carbon]

@kindred oar there exist protocols for providing storage on the network

[grave zodiac]

32TB + 12TB NAS'es will turn into one Proxmox-server with TrueNAS as a VM, will keep the 4x8TB drives and get either get 4x8TB more drives to expand the pool or larger ones and create a second pool

[thick minnow]

Also, if you're gonna be using Linux. nextcloud might be useful for setting up a NAS

[tame carbon]

@kindred oar most common program used to provide windows shares from a linux or unix system is Samba

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samba_(software)

its quite possible that TrueNAS uses samba internally to do this

I am not that familiar with it

[kindred oar]

Oooo thanks!

[tame carbon]

There's tutorials on how to set up samba on say, ubuntu server

Ubuntu generally has tutorials for everything

[kindred oar]

Again these technical words confuse me but nonetheless its fun to learn them while directly applying it practically!

[tame carbon]

if you dont know what something is, just ask

[kindred oar]

Sure i will!

[tame carbon]

there's a lot of jargon and acronyms

[thick minnow]

Tell me about it

[tame carbon]

https://ubuntu.com/#download

[kindred oar]

The thing is we are a incubator company which have a lot of events so we want a system to store and access those images. We could always pay for a solution but being a student startup incubator and me being a student they encourage us to come up with solutions hence i thought of setting up a NAS

[tame carbon]

I recommend setting that up in a raid configuration, and having an external device to do backups to

[kindred oar]

Okay sure will do that!

[tame carbon]

raid will make sure the system stays running, even if a drive fails

your backup is there, in case the filesystem got corrupted or something

you can do things like daily backups

[kindred oar]

And file sharing with the team over the internet through simba right?

[tame carbon]

that's another issue

samba is not ment to run on public internet

[kindred oar]

Okay so even if one fails the ither is there

[tame carbon]

the protocol SMB has a history of being insecure

we're up to verion 3.1 something now

microsoft technology

[thick minnow]

Might wanna get a domain and ssl certificate to access it over the interwebs as well

[tame carbon]

@kindred oar VPN is easier

Each user has a VPN which they can use to connect to the network directly

and then can just use Samba as if they were a local user

https://www.wireguard.com/

runs on everything

[kindred oar]

Any good specific tutorials for vpn setup or i can just google it?

[kindred oar]

Awesome!

[tame carbon]

wireguard is pretty straight forward

you set up a server on your NAS

and then have to do some port forwarding

you create client keys on each computer, and a server key

and then you just have to make a config for each user

and when they start up the program, it connects to the VPN server, sets up an encrypted tunnel

and then you can just access the NAS through a 10.0.0.0/24 something IP

[kindred oar]

Screenshotting this bro!! Thankssssss !! Needed something like this!

[thick minnow]

Crystal, would that road warrior script to set up wireguard help?

[tame carbon]

errrrrr

the thing is

I never use those things, ever

xD

I install this by hand usually

on ubuntu its quite easy to install

apt install wireguard

[thick minnow]

https://github.com/Nyr/wireguard-install

[tame carbon]

yeah..

[thick minnow]

This would be the script

[tame carbon]

thats a script that does a bunch of stuff

[thick minnow]

But sure

[tame carbon]

if you actually follow the tutorial to do it by hand

you understand how it works

and why its done in such a way

@thick minnow because what do you do

if your script crashes

and then you have a broken install

[thick minnow]

True

[tame carbon]

that's even more ugly than just doing it from the ground up

and doing it properly

@kindred oar another solution would be

idk what kind of network speed you have available

because this will rely heavily on upload

and if you don't have at least 50mbit/s it will be a pain to use

[kindred oar]

We have a 40mbps but planning on upgrading it to 100

[tame carbon]

mh, that's fair

alternative is

renting a VPS in the cloud

and setting the VPN and samba up there

and just keeping it firewalled off to the VPN only

[kindred oar]

So that way i can access the data anywhere since its up there in the cloud!

[tame carbon]

and you dont have to run your own server

[thick minnow]

But it's probably gonna cost you

[tame carbon]

I have a NAS here locally, because I want to pull off NVMe

But yeah

it has a monthly cost

and you are limited in space

[thick minnow]

If you're student, Azure has a student plan

[tame carbon]

but I wouldnt do that for a company

but yeah

the benefit of a vps

you can get like 2gbit/s network speed on those

so you can handle 100s of users

datacenter perks

I have 250/250 at home

[thick minnow]

And there's AWS with their Student service

[thick minnow]

Yea, fair

[kindred oar]

The only issue which i was facing in this setup was the issue of accessing the server over the internet but that i can now try with vpn

Will check out all the options

[tame carbon]

SSH

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Shell_Protocol

You'll learn to start loving this

second best protocol in existence, next to IP, TCP and IRC

[thick minnow]

Yup, can agree there

[kindred oar]

Niiiceee!

[waxen saddle]

Agreed. You can even pipe GUI programs over it

[kindred oar]

Will study this for sure!

[thick minnow]

Azure's Bastion is a Pain to run. SSH was so much simpler

[tame carbon]

SSH can transfer files, drop you a shell, forward GUI programs, forward IP packets

so you can use it as NAS, VPN, Graphical shell, backdoor program whatever

and its all encrypted by default

you can use 4096 bit keys

[kindred oar]

This is great!

[tame carbon]

so not even the NSA can break it

[kindred oar]

Woww !!

Sounds assuring!

[thick minnow]

But one thing, keep the keys safe

[tame carbon]

Yeah

Instead of a password, you use public key cryptography

[opaque stirrup]

you guys use keys? strange

[tame carbon]

@opaque stirrup passwords can leak

each user has its own key

that key can be password protected

[kindred oar]

I will!!

Thanks! @Crystal#3166 and @! Good At#1235

Anyway thanks for all the tips guys! Gotta go :)

[waxen saddle]

I don’t bother with keys as I only use SSH on my LAN

[tame carbon]

yeah me too

[opaque stirrup]

my ssh servers dont run on the internet i use zerotier to connect to my servers

[tame carbon]

but only on my desktop

on my laptop I use keys

@waxen saddle I run an ssh agent on my laptop

I lock my laptop when I leave

[opaque stirrup]

anyone use mobaxterm?

[tame carbon]

and it basically keeps the key unlocked when I sign in

so when i use ssh

I dont have to enter a password at all

https://i.imgur.com/dM6rvz0.png

see?

no password prompt

[opaque stirrup]

if i managed to not corrupt or destroy every linux machine i use i would use ssh keys

[thick minnow]

wow

[tame carbon]

@opaque stirrup there's a trick

ssh-copy-id username@server

[thick minnow]

Have you tried breaking debian?

[tame carbon]

you enter your password

and it copies your key

you can generate a key with:
ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 -C "[e-mail]"

the -C "email" is optional

but its common to do so

[opaque stirrup]

yum

[tame carbon]

yeah I just name all my hosts

and then just do ssh hostname

[opaque stirrup]

lmao naming them i play the guessing game

[tame carbon]

you can configure if you want to use a different default username to a server

normally it uses your username

thats just configured in /etc/ssh/ssh_config

sshd_config is the server

idk, ssh keys just so much easier

easier to manage and maintain

dont need passwords

[opaque stirrup]

i wish github showed you how nany people downloaded something or added a review section

[tame carbon]

I like the name of rexec

that is what ssh was ment to replace

[waxen saddle]

I need to go through and rename all my servers. I have 2 different naming schemes and some names don’t really make sense anymore now that I have a docker environment (dns server is now secondary to docker dns server, so doesn’t make sense to call it “dns” since it is rarely used now)

[tame carbon]

rexec is basically, a program designed to do remote code execution

something which would be considered malware these days

and its unencrypted

@waxen saddle you need to set up a domain on your DHCP server

I use lan.redacted.nl

my laptop is called watomat, so it becomes watomat.lan.redacted.nl

and then on your DNS server, you enable regular expressions

[waxen saddle]

I try to use “home.arpa”, but some devices are rebellious

[tame carbon]

that allows you to shorten it to watomat

or watomat.lan

Yeah you use to use a DNS domain prefix

then you can let your local DNS resolver do it

[waxen saddle]

I’ve got all that set up, that was just an example. 🙂

[tame carbon]

On my mikrotik I just set the Domain field in my DHCP server

and that assigns the lease to the hostname

https://youtu.be/pgp2sp0EB7w?t=57

what is this mad science

[waxen saddle]

I want to use Linux/posix/programmer principles for a lot of things, so I’ll take some time and figure out a new naming scheme such that I’ll never have to deviate from it

[opaque stirrup]

is wireguard better than openvpn?

[tame carbon]

is that a joke question?

[waxen saddle]

He might not know..

[opaque stirrup]

well ive only ever used openvpn since wireguard was confusing me on setting up

but that script just done it correctly

[low pond]

Wireguard still confuses me

[tame carbon]

have you used L2TP/IPsec before?

that's even more confusing

That's what I'm currently using

still waiting for RouterOS v7 to become stable

that includes wireguard

[potent shuttle]

Hello, can I ask here how should I crimp an RJ45 connector? I looked online but it just made me more confused

[tame carbon]

@potent shuttle do you have a crimp tool?

[potent shuttle]

Yes, I do

I just don't know how to sort the cables

[tame carbon]

hehe

yeah that takes practice :P

there's a standard for this

whats important is you want both sides the same way

[potent shuttle]

So, the issue is that I can't recognize the standard of my cable

[potent shuttle]

The order is different than what's considered usual apparently

[tame carbon]

could be T-568A

Most cables are Straight-through

but you can also get a crossover cable, where you flip the pairs

but you dont really need those anymore

modern interfaces have Auto-MDX

idk what kind of crimp you have

[potent shuttle]

The orange and blue cables are together, so it's different than those other standards

[tame carbon]

but the keystones I have are like this;

The crimp then cuts of the excess

lot easier to install

[potent shuttle]

No, mine isn't like that

[tame carbon]

yeah probably have to cut them to length

I had one of those

annoying as fuck