networking

[thick minnow]

which line?

first line shows <1

all <1

[peak cloak]

then it's all ISP end

[thick minnow]

wait ill send ss

idk how to check this

[peak cloak]

@weak tinsel this is my setup https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/387022787480387605/829745549652918312/20210401_121908.jpg

[thick minnow]

oho

beefy bwoi

this is whats showin

rn

still runnin

ok this is final result

tell me if its me or someone else

[peak cloak]

ISP end

[thick minnow]

oof

so nthn i do will help me

?

[peak cloak]

not really

[thick minnow]

oh man

then anything i "CAN" do to help me?

omggg im angry at isp

they gib beeeg ping and smol speed

[hollow marlin]

There is nothing wrong with the traceroute. That spike is irrelevant and just a hop that does not have priority to ICMP respond

[peak cloak]

yeah, it's just that nothing is wrong on this end

on the first hop

[thick minnow]

huh

explain pls?

[hollow marlin]

Neither with the ISP also

[thick minnow]

oh ok

hm

[peak cloak]

then what is it? congestion?

peering?

[hollow marlin]

Could be multiple things, weak CPU, low priority with ICMP, reply taking a bad path back

[peak cloak]

yeah the spike is just ICMP

[hollow marlin]

Each run is round trip, if latency is ~20ms on hop 8, then hop 9 is ~200ms, but then hop 10 is ~30ms which runs through hop 9 then the issue is non-existent

[thick minnow]

ryzen 5 apu...not too weak

ooh

ok

i accidently found out a dns server wery close to me becus of tracerting some random id

lol

[hollow marlin]

By CPU I and referring to the router responding on hop 10 in your test. Router CPUs are not that powerful and responses are purposely given the lowest priority.

[thick minnow]

ooof

my router def bad cpu

its some random uk brand

ok i fixed it thanks guys

just dns issue

switched dns to an old isp dns, speeds returned to normal.....apparently the new ones are cloggy ig

whats request timed out?

woaaaaah full fail

[peak cloak]

they may drop ICMP packets

[thick minnow]

icmp?

[peak cloak]

Internet Control Message Protocol

ping

traceroute

if someone blocks ICMP

you can't ping them

[thick minnow]

oooof

oki

thanks a ton mate now imma leave ya'll in peace

[tame carbon]

My mind = blown

Jenkins declarative pipelines supports java programming

you can just define variables and strings, even use string functions to manipulate it

GIT_BRANCH_ESCAPED = "${env.BRANCH_NAME}".replace("/", "-")

this takes feature/something and turns that into feature-something

[lean pebble]

My country is blowing boom boom

[low pond]

Some centeral fiber line = boom

[low pond]

Do you know why sometimes pinging a far server would spike to 400+ms, and then go back to like its normal 250 or so

I have had it happen many times :p

[hollow marlin]

There a multiple variables that could cause that especially depending on high hop count or overseas

[hollow marlin]

Seriously, be safe dude

[lean pebble]

thanks 🙂

[thick minnow]

Does anyone know why my movie sometimes lags when streaming via my homenetwork with plex from my pc to tv? The movie is 65gb and 2 hours, 16 min long. The bitrate is 68274 kbps

could the problem be something with our homenetwork bcs everything is gigabit

[plain siren]

Could be the decoder

Not enough powah

[low pond]

House, where to clean TPM again 🤣

I cant find that panel

[low pond]

dem what will happen

[thick minnow]

I have an i7 6850k I think it should be able to handle it

[plain siren]

You could set it up for actual use at that point. Normally Windows will try to take it over if its not provisioned

[low pond]

now i will get fedora on here when i stop being lazy

[plain siren]

Its used in BitLocker

[low pond]

oh

xD

[thick minnow]

I've set it to "make my cpu hurt"

[plain siren]

But, TPM Can be used With much more than bitlocker

[molten roost]

Does single and dual ranks matter in ram

[low pond]

yea actually

Giving less load to the MMU and stuff, I dont know how it exactly works but it does.

[green forge]

Guys, my ethernet and my wifi fully died

What do I do

Every other computer or phone works

Just my computer acting weird

[molten roost]

Is there any problem if I put 1 single rank stick and and 1 dual rank stick?

When I turn on Xmp with this ,pc not booting

So I wanted to know whether this is causing the issue

[tulip bough]

I learned the other day (I may have at some point earlier and forgot) that the return packet for a ping is called a pong

[low pond]

ask for new DHCP lease

[tender hazel]

"No Internet" means you aren't getting an IP most likely

[low pond]

forget the network and re try again

[green forge]

I can

I tried network reset

Everything

Nothing works

[low pond]

that seems like it has a IP actually

what happens if u just go to google.com

[green forge]

Nothing loads

Every other. Computer has Ethernet or wifi working

[peak cloak]

can you ping your router IP

[green forge]

I can log onto the router

So it's able to do that

[peak cloak]

ok so it can access it

weird

if everything else works

[green forge]

I thought it was my virtual VMware

[low pond]

DNS probably then if IP works

[green forge]

But not the case

[low pond]

does 1.1.1.1 work

just type https://1.1.1.1

[peak cloak]

then it would throw a dns error

[low pond]

eh true

[green forge]

I have it installed

Wait

[peak cloak]

oh that stupid warp thing

[green forge]

Yeah I use

Just the 1.1.1.1 thing

Warp slows me down

[peak cloak]

yeah

it's a vpn

just use 1.1.1.1 for dns

[green forge]

Does this help?

[peak cloak]

in cmd

type

ping 1.1.1.1

[green forge]

Ip

I feel like it's a driver issue

[peak cloak]

could be

idk

so you don't have internet

it's not dns

[green forge]

Hmph

Maybe something's wrong with the onboard ethernet

But that wouldn't help fix my wifi thing

Because originally

It was just Ethernet that didn't work

Man maybe dragon could help

He's offline

[tender hazel]

if you can get to the router it isn't likely to be something on your system

most likely the router itself isn't getting online

but you say other systems are getting online through the router?

[green forge]

U
Yes

Phones and Ethernet connected laptops work

No prob

I tried taking my laptop and plugging it with the Ethernet cable in my room
Ethernet show Ed internet

[plain siren]

netsh winsock reset

[green forge]

Lemme try

Restarting

Nope

[green forge]

Didn't do anything

[green forge]

I'm just gonna try to restart the router

Fixed

Or not

[lone sun]

🤷‍♂️ Have you tried actually resetting the modem/router? Restarting is not resetting.

[green forge]

it fixed itself for now

thanks tho

[alpine glade]

Con: Firewall upgrade installation stalled

Pro: 69%

[tender hazel]

what firewall?

[alpine glade]

Just a CheckPoint management server

Jumping from R80.10 to R80.40

[coral goblet]

what is a good but free vpn for phones

pls ping me

[waxen scroll]

vpns arent free.

google kind of sort of has a vpn for pixels but thats google so no privacy anyway

I think they make you pay for it now ;p

[peak cloak]

do you need a vpn

most people dont

and its just marketing

[silk hare]

A private IP address is a non-routable address meaning it cannot connect to the internet?

True or False?

[tender hazel]

a private IP address cannot connect to the internet without NAT

[silk hare]

Trying to confirm this

@tender hazel

[tender hazel]

yes

[silk hare]

ty sir

[tender hazel]

although you shouldn't have had to ask me about such an elementary networking question

[silk hare]

Learning.

[tender hazel]

you can work it out logically - the web server on the internet will never see the host's private ip address 192.168.0.1

[silk hare]

Exactly as I thought

Wanted to make sure I wasn't getting tripped up with that SRC and DST in the pic

Because NAT will take care of the endpoint it goes to

[tender hazel]

yes

[silk hare]

the web server never knows who requested it in the private sector

just the external address

[tender hazel]

yes, that is correct

[tender hazel]

@silk hare btw, I don't want to give you the impression that I mind answering questions or helping, but certain types of questions give the impression of trying to get help on homework or on a test

and in those cases there can potentially be issues

moral/ethical issues

the questions you were asking sounded like some kind of test questions

[rigid yarrow]

Anyone living in Hawaii have recommendations for a decent ISP? I'm moving out there next week.

[plain siren]

AT&T or Xfinity is really the only 2 "Decent" ones out there

[runic glade]

Anyone thinking of buying the Google Nest Mesh router; don't do it. Been using it for the past 4 months now and It hasn't been very pleasing, LAN latency is 3-4ms with CAT 6 cables and the speeds decide to drop randomly without touching any settings.

Lucky day today I guess, speeds like to cut in half from time to-time

[hard tusk]

Hello, could someone help me with a opnSense configuration?
I just set it up to explore it a bit, but I can't connect from the LAN into WAN.
From LAN the Firewall is pingable on both WAN and LAN address.
But I cant ping my router in WAN from LAN. Even if it is set as WAN gateway.

[plain siren]

You <> OPNSENSE <> ROUTER <> INTERNET right?

[hard tusk]

One moment

[plain siren]

You wont be able to ping the router on the other side of OPNSense if this is teh case

[hard tusk]

WAN Router (192.168.188.1) |(Gateway on WAN Interface set to 192.168.188.1) | |---Test PC One | |---OPNSense (WAN: 192.168.188.221, LAN: 192.168.149.1) | |(Gateway on LAN set to 192.168.149.1 --> OPNSense) |---Test PC Two

From PC one internet connection is totally normal.
From PC two, I can ping both interfaces, the 188.221 and the 149.1 but I cannot ping other hosts on the 188 network, as example the router.
Even with firewall disabled, it would not work.
@plain siren

[tame carbon]

I've dreaded this moment..

Going from 1909 to 20H2

Let's hope I don't have to spend the rest of my day reinstalling a broken install

[vestal lotus]

Not sure if this would fit here, but the Wi-Fi signal from the router is a bit weak whenever I go to my attic bedroom.

From my view, there are some options:

-Upgrade the router (which would benefit me and family)
-Get a mesh Wi-Fi system (which would likely extend the signal and make it look all uniform)
-Get a repeater (which repeats the signal)

[tame carbon]

Get a managed AP

[peak cloak]

yeah

[tame carbon]

More access points is the answer, but not meshed. Rather, fed by Ethernet

[peak cloak]

get another AP

[vestal lotus]

Huh.

[tame carbon]

I have like 3 access points now

[vestal lotus]

I assume there are wireless APs?

[tame carbon]

All sending out the same network

Phone grabs whichever is closest

Handover between APs takes less than half a second, you don't notice it

[vestal lotus]

Because I don't think I can feed an Ethernet cable upstairs to feed said AP.

[tame carbon]

You have to

Otherwise mesh is the only alternative

And that isn't very reliable

[peak cloak]

no, AP by defenition has an ethernet "input", wifi "output"

[tame carbon]

Its a wireless bridge

[peak cloak]

that's the best solution

there are other solutions

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus I've got a CAPsMAN network here. Router acts as controller, to multiple APs

Individual APs cost $60

And eithe have dedicated router as. Controller, or elevate one of the APs as controller

[vestal lotus]

I mean...

We have this big PoS.

And then...

[tame carbon]

What kind of netspeed do you have?

[vestal lotus]

And then there's its little cousin doing all the work.

How they're connected, I have no idea- well... Maybe I do.

[tame carbon]

Wifi boosters 🤣

I love the labels

[tame carbon]

Hallelujah

[vestal lotus]

Yeah, the little cousin is a WiFi booster, if the label on his back is anything to go by.

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus any budget you are giving yourself to improve the situation?

[vestal lotus]

At least let me test the WiFi first before giving you a number. 😆

[copper horizon]

Powerline adapters if you really don’t want to run Ethernet lines

[vestal lotus]

Good in the living room. Now what about the attic? Goes upstairs

[copper horizon]

Switch > powerline > powerline > wifi AP

[vestal lotus]

(according to Netflix)

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus 70mbit is about all you're going to get on 2.4GHz

5GHz can be much faster

but doesn't penetrate walls as well

@copper horizon issue is that they often do not run at full speed

I've got wall adapters rated for 500mbit/s
but in reality I get around 35-40mbit/s

[copper horizon]

He’s working with 70mbps 🤷

[tame carbon]

yeah..

[copper horizon]

Lol

[vestal lotus]

Attic bedroom.

[tame carbon]

16 mbit

enough for pr0n

[vestal lotus]

That and the occasional disconnect-but-quick reconnect.

[copper horizon]

What’s your internet plan speed?

[tame carbon]

okay so unstable connection

[tame carbon]

this @vestal lotus

[vestal lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/paper-reading-flipping-pages-davor-bernardić-gif-17667192

(aka one moment)

Well, it's more what my family is paying Proximus for, speed wise.

But...

[tame carbon]

all I we need is a number

so we can roughly estimate what you'll need

is it 100mbit, is it 500mbit?

or is that 70mbit about all you can get?

[vestal lotus]

Checked on the carrier app here.

[tame carbon]

Test wired.

Plug in your PC or laptop

and test via cable

[vestal lotus]

Uhhh... My PC is a tower. And it's up at the attic.

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus wait, is this... mobile internet? :o

[copper horizon]

Lowest plan on their website is 50mbps highest is 100 😱

[tame carbon]

or is this a regular old landline?

[low pond]

Nice OP6

[tame carbon]

wait. 3 TB

[vestal lotus]

Mom's. It does what it does and does it well for her.

[tame carbon]

you have a data limit? :o

[vestal lotus]

Apparently.

But yeah, speeds for home are there... And that data limit.

[copper horizon]

Internet maxi is 100mbps

[vestal lotus]

Considering my usage case at my PC (cloud gaming + media consumption), that limit is... Worrying.

[copper horizon]

Does your modem/router have extra Ethernet ports ? I may just said get an actual dedicated wifi ap and call it a day...

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus ideally, you get yourself two new APs, and a powerline adapter

you replace the existing AP in your living room

and place another AP in your attic, feed it via powerline

[vestal lotus]

Very empty.

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus https://www.tp-link.com/baltic/home-networking/powerline/tl-pa7017p-kit/

not sure why it picked 'baltic' as region, but you can get em globally

[copper horizon]

DSL damn

[tame carbon]

This uses the existing electric cables in your house to transmit data

@copper horizon heavily vectored probs, and 100mbit requires bonding too

[copper horizon]

Yeah didn’t realize dsl can go 100

[tame carbon]

bonded pair with vectoring

you can get up to like 120mbit

[copper horizon]

I’m behind/ahead(?) of the times?

[tame carbon]

@copper horizon no

[vestal lotus]

Consider that my aunt had problems with Proximus at her building (concierge) which they wouldn't fix, supposedly, unless there was enough complaints about it.

[tame carbon]

this isnt an option everywhere

for 100mbit, you need a max of like 500meters from the local hub

and probably two lines

instead of just one

[vestal lotus]

That, and the internet at her place going pbhhht at times.

[tame carbon]

The issue with bonded VDSL is that it is very unstable

you rely on two lines, and they have to balanced

if one of them jitters, or causes crosstalk with the other one

you get lot of jitter on line, and maybe even packet loss

from my experience, bonded VDSL is much faster, but also less reliable

[copper horizon]

Don’t know how we survived before fiber

[tame carbon]

you get about 80% speed increase

and ~1% loss

[vestal lotus]

After my aunt switched to Telenet (fiber), said problems just fucked off.

Much better experience.

[tame carbon]

@copper horizon I was on ADSL for a long time

ADSL is slow, but more reliable than VDSL

[copper horizon]

But yeah do what crystal recommended if you want to squeeze out that extra performance

[peak cloak]

prob not dsl

just phone

and lte internet

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus these https://www.amazon.com/Powerline-Ethernet-Adapter-Extender-TP-Link/dp/B084CZMYNM

cost only $50 on amazon

You plug one of these in the wall next to your modem

[vestal lotus]

I assume those are available on Amazon.fr as well?

[tame carbon]

and the other one in the attic

@vestal lotus yeah

@vestal lotus one thing to keep in mind

these things are not ideal as a dedicated ethernet wire is

you cannot operate multiple pairs on the same electric network

they would interfere

but they can get ~100mbit/s in good situations to another place in the house

latency is very good

about 1ms

lemme ping my printer

_>

[vestal lotus]

So, you're saying to
-Replace that carrier provided Wi-Fi booster for a better one
-Use the power line adapter to power the second AP?

[tame carbon]

Pinging 192.168.88.87 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.88.87: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=255
Reply from 192.168.88.87: bytes=32 time=3ms TTL=255
Reply from 192.168.88.87: bytes=32 time=3ms TTL=255
Reply from 192.168.88.87: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=255

Ping statistics for 192.168.88.87:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 4ms, Average = 3ms

PC --> Switch -> Router -> Wall Adapter -> Wall Adapter -> Switch -> Printer

[vestal lotus]

...I'm overthinking things, aren't i.

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus you basically use this kit

to provide wired ethernet to your attic

then you plug another AP on that

and then you have more than that 16mbit/s wifi upstairs

and if you want a good AP, I can give you some recommendations on that as well

[vestal lotus]

I mean, I live in the EU, so, the building materials are different here compared to the US.

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus Same :D

I'm from the netherlands

I forget how the french named my country

something entirely different

[vestal lotus]

You might be close to 🇧🇪 .

[tame carbon]

Pais Bas

I think

[copper horizon]

Your proximus box > connect wire into power adapter one.

Power adapter two (plug in your attic) > connect to your wifi booster (but switch it into access point mode)

[tame carbon]

🇳🇱

@vestal lotus for APs, you have two choices

[vestal lotus]

And powerlines are like- you plug it in (power and wire) and it gives internet?

[tame carbon]

Either one of these, wallmounted AP about 60 bucks

[vestal lotus]

Didn't expect Ubiquiti to cameo here.

[tame carbon]

https://mikrotik.com/product/cap_ac

[vestal lotus]

Damn it.

[tame carbon]

Ubiquiti is overpriced

I'm a mikrotik shill

I don't get paid though xD

[vestal lotus]

And irresponsible. See data breach.

[tame carbon]

That's only for cloud connected systems

[copper horizon]

Lol mikrotik is probably not the most user friendly option for him 🙂

[tame carbon]

not required, but still a bit mh

@copper horizon actually

the app on the phone

is quite easy for simple things like changing passwords

and I can help him set up the CAPsMAN

its not that difficult

I can just run him through the steps

and then it works, forever

[vestal lotus]

Yeah, networking isn't my specialty.

[copper horizon]

If there’s an app that’s fine

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus generally, you configure these things once

[copper horizon]

You won’t be needing to go into settings anyway

[tame carbon]

and then it works

@copper horizon in the Quickset feature which you can use on mobile too

https://i.imgur.com/0aeOe7d.png

You can basically select a bunch of defualt profiles

the CAP is what you need for a remotely controlled AP

[vestal lotus]

Although, I have an interest in it (mostly looking at those ridiculous routers ASUS makes - see the 'spider router' ax89x) but it doesn't go that deep.

[tame carbon]

ASUS

garbage in a box

full of bugs

that never gets patched

[copper horizon]

I have an asus that I use and then a ruckus that’s sitting next to it unused xd

I’m the lazy network person

[tame carbon]

even tplink routers are Meh.

[copper horizon]

If it works, meh whatever

[vestal lotus]

Except if it's running that open source router firmware (openwrt, i think)?

[tame carbon]

yeah but the hardware is also meh quality

@copper horizon idk, I've owned 3 tplink routers

and every single one of them died

after 3-4 years

this mikrotik has a MTBF of like 15-20 years

so those will last a while

[vestal lotus]

I'd like to imagine it's a capacitor that went pbhhht.

[tame carbon]

Yeah but that is just shitty engineering and cost saving

and you get what you pay for

mikrotik APs aren't that expensive, 60 euros

but they will last for a long while

[copper horizon]

My asus has been going strong for 5 years now so oh well . It’s an all in one switch and wifi for me so less wires makes me a happy camper

[tame carbon]

@copper horizon idk I had so many issues with the asus thingies lol

I have one of their smaller ones

but only used it briefly

[vestal lotus]

I mean, I have an Asus monitor back in my home country that was made in 2007. Motherfucker was made to last, I swear.

[tame carbon]

Recently guy came in here with an asus router that had issues

it stopped giving out DHCP leases

because it ran out of disk space

🤣

so everytime someone connects to the network

they subject this poor flash chip to torture

[copper horizon]

I guess my own home isn’t that advanced, few devices

[tame carbon]

a bug caused it to write more than expected, crashing the device

and after 5 years, flash is worn out

and it ceases function alltogether

[copper horizon]

As soon as it requires me to spend a minute more to reset or configure that’s when I’ll throw it out lol

Otherwise I haven’t touched the thing in years

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus and about those 8 legged wifi routers they sell..

Those cost 500 bucks

[broken jetty]

Question:

What's the best way of expanding the number of ethernet ports on your home network? Switches to me look pretty expensive (a very quick look and the cheapest I can find is £30, maybe I'm looking in the wrong places?) and I don't know if managed or unmanaged is better for my use case. I've also considered Switches but this article I found (https://www.maketecheasier.com/ethernet-switch-vs-hub-vs-splitter/) says not to use them for some reason

[tame carbon]

and if you were to buy each part individually from mikrotik

you'd have a 10gbit capable router, and 4 APs

and still have money left over.

and you have enterprise features, for a consumer price.

[vestal lotus]

Looked at the graphic.

So, one gets fed that Proximus box via wired, then it does some wizardry to pass the internet up to the attic?

[copper horizon]

Get a unmanaged switch and call it a day

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus yeah they use the electrical network of the house to talk to eachother

Data transfer is much higher frequency

grid frequency is only 50Hz

[vestal lotus]

I'm impressed.

[copper horizon]

NETGEAR 5-Port Gigabit Ethernet Unmanaged Switch (GS305) - Home Network Hub, Office Ethernet Splitter, Plug-and-Play, Silent Operation, Desktop or Wall Mount https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07S98YLHM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_Q1N3F372AQFHCFK6G6FG?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus but that also means they are subjected to all kinds of electrical interference.

[peak cloak]

switch

[tame carbon]

so if you have some kind of heavy inductive load like a 3 phase motor

[peak cloak]

only way

[tame carbon]

you can get data glitches

[peak cloak]

this is not coax where you can just split it

all the other methods are OLD

when ethernet used to be more like a bus system

but slow

[tame carbon]

@broken jetty TL-SG108

[broken jetty]

Thank you, all the ones I found were $50+ except for a Ubiquiti one which is managed

[tame carbon]

@broken jetty look that up

Do you need managed switches?

[broken jetty]

No

Definitely not

[tame carbon]

if not, just get the TL-SG108

[peak cloak]

unmanaged are cheap

[vestal lotus]

Hmmm... Not aware of anything in the house or out that could cause it.

[broken jetty]

You're now recommending over each-other and it's confusing but I will look at all your suggestions

[peak cloak]

it's when you get into managed and l3 switches where things get expensive

[tame carbon]

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/TP-Link-TL-SG108-8-ports-Gigabit-Network/dp/B01EXDG2MO/

This is an 8 port switch

for slightly more

its better choice than those 5 port ones

@vestal lotus I mean, just buy the kit from amazon

and test it

if it gives you good speed, then invest into some wireless APs

[broken jetty]

I don't think I really want more than four ports for now because I don't need it and due to circumstances beyond my control the router setup is a little cramped

[tame carbon]

18 bucks for 5 ports or 25 bucks for 8 ports ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I got only 5 ports on my switch as well..

[broken jetty]

After consulting TP-Link's buying guide they selected this Switch for me, does it look OK?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-TL-SG1005D-Desktop-Gigabit-Ethernet/dp/B00ZOOJXEG?ref_=ast_sto_dp

[tame carbon]

unmanaged switch

not much you can screw up there

[broken jetty]

Good to know, thank you

[tame carbon]

some dont pass v6 packets for some reason

others dont properly forward vlan packets

[broken jetty]

Is that a...concern?

[tame carbon]

it will be

but probably isnt right now

this will work with your setup

idk, might not be this switch

but I've seen ones behave strangle

[broken jetty]

I don't think I have any VLANs and my router is an ISP one so it almost certainly doesn't support WiFi 6 so I think it will be fine

[tame carbon]

no v6, ipv6

[broken jetty]

Oh

That's worse

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak had one that wouldn't allow ipv6 to pass xD

for no good reason

since switches operate on layer 2

not 3

[peak cloak]

yeah me too I think

never tested it too well

[broken jetty]

Doesn't say what layer this one runs on on Amazon

[tame carbon]

@broken jetty 2.

[peak cloak]

but I think it was just blocked v6 packets

[tame carbon]

Unmanaged switches run on layer 2

[peak cloak]

all switches are L2

[tame carbon]

all do

[vestal lotus]

@tame carbon Reviews that Amazon is showing for that kit aren't that good... 😬

[broken jetty]

Oh

[peak cloak]

except the L3 switches

which are special

[vestal lotus]

Though, the 4 star one mentions GFCI?

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus yes, because it heavily depends on your house' electrical system

[broken jetty]

OK so I will buy this one and return it if I notice any IPV6 problems

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus you are in europe

[vestal lotus]

Bot auto-deleted your message or something?

[tame carbon]

yes because it had a no-no word in it

[vestal lotus]

Oh. But yeah, I did see it. I don't think I'll have any worries.

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus ideally, you also only use that socket on the wall, only for that adapter

if you use an extension cord, or plug an appliance into the wallsocket next to the powerline adapter

you can cause interference

which reduces speed

so, no extension cords, ideally no other devices plugged into that same wallsocket array

the adapters come with a built in socket

you plug your extension cord into that

it filters the interference out

[vestal lotus]

Guess the extension plugged into the outlet is a no-go then (also say Hi to my Potato PC, the Lenovo H30-00 with an awful Celeron that's been my PC since 2015-16).

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus hold on

I think I linked a different kit than I inteded to

[vestal lotus]

Don't ask me how I can tolerate it's awfulness.

Just- don't. All I know is that despite SATA 2's limits, the SSD I fed it was the best upgrade I could ask for.

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus https://www.amazon.de/-/en/TL-PA4010P-Pass-Through-Powerline-Ethernet-Compatible/dp/B08CH1X4NF/

These are the ones

They have a socket in them, for your appliances

you plug your extension cord into that

[vestal lotus]

Well, first big upgrade. Second one was giving it an A6210 dongle which allows Potato PC to see 5 GHz.

[tame carbon]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51fduTR3bXL._AC_SL1000_.jpg

data plugs in underneath

they have a little button to pair, but they should be pre-paired

[vestal lotus]

Uhhh...

Belgium uses this outlet.

[mighty wind]

I hate those

[broken jetty]

Second-worst type

[mighty wind]

true

[vestal lotus]

This one... Is distant and doesn't seem to be that type of outlet.

Not so sure I trust it though.

[mighty wind]

i believe they are compatible

just doesnt support grounding

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus no that isnt ok

[vestal lotus]

Is grounding important?

[peak cloak]

yes kinda

if a device needs grounding

[tame carbon]

it needs grounding

[peak cloak]

anything with a metal case

[mighty wind]

^ditto

[peak cloak]

needs grounding

[tame carbon]

chances are the wire has a grounding lead

just not the socket

but you are halfway to finding out, it's missing a screw

if it has one

[tame carbon]

replace the socket entirely

Yeah that's valid ^

[vestal lotus]

Found this sneaky boy hiding behind the night shelf.

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus we have similar sockets here

except ours don't have a pin like that

our plugs do support the pin

but we have metal prongs on 2 sides

[mighty wind]

arguably the better version

[tame carbon]

plug doesnt care either way

[vestal lotus]

But yeah, this plug is a bit too distant from the PC.

[tame carbon]

That doesn;t matter

you can always run an ethernet cable

your wireless AP also doesn't have to be where your adapter is

as long as you can run a cable

[vestal lotus]

Although, I do have an excessively long cat6 Ethernet cable (didn't know it was going to be that long!).

But hey, it works in my favor.

[tame carbon]

its not that expensive

I always pick out old networking cable that people throw away

and I terminate them to what I need

with a clamp

[vestal lotus]

...yes, it's 100 meters.

[tame carbon]

yeah that's a bit excessive

you can get 5 meter cables relatively cheap

[vestal lotus]

I had no idea at the time, but hey! At least I have enough length.

[mighty wind]

Meanwhile In Vietnam where I just flew back from.

[tame carbon]

@mighty wind with suicide usb ports included?

[broken jetty]

I have a couple of questions about the switch I found:

1. Do they usually include an ethernet cable or do I need to buy one seperately
2. Is there a separate input port and one output, or will one port be used for input (effectively making it four ports)?

[mighty wind]

not always but sometimes in the hotels

[tame carbon]

@broken jetty on an unmanaged switch, all ports are treated the same way

packets are switched using the mac address

the switch knows which MAC is on which port

[peak cloak]

usually no ethernet cable

and as crystal said

[tame carbon]

and just forwards using a little table it builds up

[peak cloak]

no input/output

[broken jetty]

OK so I will have to use one of the five ports to link it to the router?

[peak cloak]

yes

[tame carbon]

@broken jetty yeah the switch is just a switchboard. Your router actually has a built in switch most likely. If it has multiple LAN ports, that's a tiny built in switch

[broken jetty]

Cool

[tame carbon]

Managed switches are for more complicated setups

where you isolate networks

and do other kinds of failover thingies

[vestal lotus]

So yeah, I think I get the idea of what is going to be done:

Modem/router combo gets a powerline which will send the internet through the electrical network to Night Shelf Powerline which I can plug an Ethernet into to use Ethernet on my PC.

That about right? @tame carbon

[peak cloak]

looks at my switch

[tame carbon]

with Spanning tree

[peak cloak]

never did anything with stp

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak it works

and when it doesn't, no network.

[peak cloak]

but like why would you need it?

redudancy?

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak imagine you had 4 switches, all connected to eachother directly

STP helps make sure no loops are created

[peak cloak]

it's basically loopback protection right?

yeah

[tame carbon]

and disables those links

RSTP has a faster convergence, like 3 seconds after fault, it switches

and MSTP is for complicated multi trees

[peak cloak]

or

just use routers

l3 seems simpler

[tame carbon]

xD

MPLS

layer "2.5"

@vestal lotus looks good, might want to look into getting a small switch for the 2nd powerline

so you can plug in more than 1 device

like your wireless AP, and your PC

[vestal lotus]

...

[tame carbon]

?

Powerline which I can plug an Ethernet into to use Ethernet on my PC.

[vestal lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/i-would-love-to-keep-things-simple-keep-things-simple-simple-easy-uncomplicated-gif-15619796

[tame carbon]

You only have 1 port on that :P

[vestal lotus]

Oh. Heck

[tame carbon]

toss a 25 euro switch in, you got 8 ports

[vestal lotus]

But then again, it's just my PC that'll get plugged in.

[tame carbon]

well

7

[vestal lotus]

...oh.

My phone.

[tame carbon]

because you need one for the powerline

[vestal lotus]

Shit.

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus yeah, idk how much you want to spend, but at this point a small wireless AP might be a good idea

[vestal lotus]

I mean, I do like the concept of the Powerline.

[tame carbon]

You can plug one of these in

20 bucks

3x 100mbit/s

and it has 2.4GHz wireless

[vestal lotus]

That looks so adorable.

[tame carbon]

Its the cheapest router they sell lol

https://mikrotik.com/product/RB931-2nD

But runs the same advanced software as the big boy routers they sell

[vestal lotus]

And MikroTik goes for a long time?

[tame carbon]

MTBF Approximately 100'000 hours at 25C

[vestal lotus]

Fucking-

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/IgK3L5P.png

[low pond]

That's just the MTBF, it probably won't even last half as long reality

[tame carbon]

no that just means, if you have a bunch of them running

on average, after 11 years they start failing

but I've seen RB2011's

that have been running for 15 years

and still work

[vestal lotus]

Can you technically power a wireless AP off of Ethernet?

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus yeah those cAP ac's I linked earlier use PoE

https://mikrotik.com/product/cap_ac

They have an injector like this

You plug power and data into one the leads on the top right

and the bottom left plugs a cable, that goes to your AP

PoE is ment for low power devices like access points, or IP phones

security cameras

etc

ideal for wall mounted devices, you don't have adapters everywhere

there are switches with PoE output

but you can just use injectors

[vestal lotus]

So, I guess the power line could just give the switch Internet and the switch can power the AP.

[tame carbon]

it just becomes a hastle if you run 20+ devices with PoE

you have a rats nest of injectors

[vestal lotus]

And I can just use another port to give my PC wired internet.

[tame carbon]

those cAP ac's actually ship with an injector

60 euros, gives you an AP + injector

yeah you can use those ports for your PC

@vestal lotus these on the other hand, are ment for on your desk: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2

They have the same chipset and hardware as the wallmounted variant

but more ports

I have this one in the living room, to provide network to the TV receiver (IPTV), smart TV (for netflix) and wireless access

small and quite powerful

they can be powered by PoE, but do not include in an injector, sold seperately I think like 10 bucks

[vestal lotus]

Hmmm...

[tame carbon]

These can be a router, switch and wireless AP

they are an all-in-one

but all software configurable to your needs

and a quadcore cpu if you want to do fancy VPN stuff and whatnot

I use mine only as a switch and wireless AP

[vestal lotus]

Well, considering my extension is looking a bit busy...

...hmmm.

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/xua7LD0.png

@copper horizon I figured out you can overclock these things

I wouldn't ever try to... but..

there's the option to do so >_>
https://i.imgur.com/y4NNnjw.png

[vestal lotus]

I mean, the router/AP AiO sounds good in theory. @tame carbon

[tame carbon]

those hAP ac2's are a solid upgrade

that + powerline

would solve your problems

[vestal lotus]

Yeah, but I think it'd be in the attic, used exclusively by me

[tame carbon]

if you had another one of those hAP ac2's downstairs, you can configure them as a managed solution

[vestal lotus]

Huh.

[tame carbon]

and then you have 1 network, and it dynamically hands over clients

essentially you'd be able to roam while calling on discord

and move from downstairs to upstairs

without any interruptions

[vestal lotus]

So, 2 of those could solve the signal problem and possibly give a better experience throughout this 4 (excluding basement) floor house?

[tame carbon]

idk if you have any boosters currently

but you'd replace those

This is kinda what you do ^

except in your situation, one of the hAP ac2's is both CAP and controller

CAP = controlled access point

It basically allows one device, to control the wireless on another device

and you can use 1 network configuration on all of them

but that's something you can always decide to do later on

[vestal lotus]

I might be overthinking things...

But that WiFi booster could just go poof, replaced by an ac2?

[tame carbon]

yes

This is how you "boost" wireless properly :P

you have more APs

centrally managed

[vestal lotus]

And I could get another up in the attic through a power line, said ac2 being PoE by the switch?

[tame carbon]

benefit of capsman is that you can just add more CAPs easily

@vestal lotus hap ac2 would just be on your desk

plugged directly into the powerline

no switch

[vestal lotus]

Huh.

[tame carbon]

you then have 4 more free ports on the hAP ac2

your powerline goes into any of these

and it can be a switch/wireless AP

It says internet/poe on port 1, but internet can be any port you want, and doesn't even apply in your situation

poe is only port 1

you dont need poe

you can just plug in an adapter

ships with this

So powerline + hap ac2 for upstairs

if you want to replace the boosters downstairs

you can get another hAP ac2, and use that as your controller

and the AP upstairs would be controlled by the one downstairs

[vestal lotus]

I might have to use PoE, if you peeked at my extension earlier, the converter is being selfish with the middle port.

[tame carbon]

that doesnt solve your issue xD

https://i.imgur.com/sP9e3ut.png

That adapter would plug in there

[vestal lotus]

I guess the middle outlet can stay lonely then.

[tame carbon]

bigger extension cord? :o

[vestal lotus]

Maybe, if it's available.

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus if you really want to make this network your own, you could look into the ISP modem, and see if it can be bridged

[vestal lotus]

Well, other extensions are busy.

[vestal lotus]

There's... Not many stickers on it that tell me anything.

[tame carbon]

You'd have to log into its web interface

and see if it has that option

you can forward your public IP to your mikrotik instead

and not have to deal with the ISP gear anymore

[tame carbon]

port forwarding, firewall and such could all be one on your hap ac2

[vestal lotus]

Not sure what this rubber doober does.

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus do you know how to log into it?

[vestal lotus]

Found the sticker. Real ninja.

It's at the back.

[tame carbon]

not even anything plugged into it

its all wireless?

Those 4 lan ports are vacant

[vestal lotus]

It's a b-box.

[tame carbon]

B-BOX!!

omg

fuck those things xD

[vestal lotus]

Looks like it. Only explanation I have for that WiFi booster.

[tame carbon]

I think they do support bridge mode

@vestal lotus okay, do you have a PC you can access right now?

could see if we can get into the settings screen

and see if it supports bridge mode

[vestal lotus]

I do, Potato PC is plugged in and survived the flight trip.

[tame carbon]

Windows?

[vestal lotus]

Yeah. Switched over from Insider to Stable (used the new 870 Evo for the switch).

[tame carbon]

ok

open commandline

run ipconfig /all

[vestal lotus]

Let me boot it up first.

[tame carbon]

and look for the 'default gateway'

https://i.imgur.com/4JFKpG4.png

@vestal lotus that's what you are looking for

[vestal lotus]

Found it. I had to scroll a little through the mess of adapters, but I got it.

We hit a bump.

https://i.imgur.com/Xb6L8EU.png

I only know the user pasword, so, I'm gonna use that and peek around.

[tame carbon]

admin and expert wtf

expert is what we want

[vestal lotus]

Let me take a look around User, see what I can do.

[tame carbon]

admin password is admin

[peak cloak]

wtf

that's a new one

Expert

[vestal lotus]

https://i.imgur.com/Z7U7BPL.png

Tried admin. Predictably, it failed.

...well, damn.

[tame carbon]

try admin account

with admin password

[vestal lotus]

Same thing.

[plain siren]

Can you leave Username Blank?

[vestal lotus]

Doesn't look like it.

[tame carbon]

I'm amazed that I'm still amazed by these shitty routers

they keep inventing new crap

and it still sucks

[vestal lotus]

https://streamable.com/dwhamp

[plain siren]

Whos the provider?

[vestal lotus]

None other than Belgian ISP, Proximus themselves.

[plain siren]

A1B2C3D4

[tame carbon]

wow. what genius password is that

[vestal lotus]

No dice on either Admin or Expert for that one.

[tame carbon]

Try BGCVDSL2

wait no thats another ISP

[plain siren]

Actually no try it

https://IP/index.php/index.cgi?user_name=admin&password=BGCVDSL2 This should be how the URL is laid out too

[vestal lotus]

No dice for that one.

...what are the chances of that working.
tries it anyway

Didn't.

[tame carbon]

what about admin

with the password: password

[vestal lotus]

https://i.imgur.com/Uq826wl.png

URL format is different.

[vestal lotus]

Nope.

[tame carbon]

oh hooold on

lol chances are

its the serial number on the bottom

[vestal lotus]

For expert or admin?

[tame carbon]

admin

[vestal lotus]

If it is, I'm going to be mad that I'm gonna have to type that in.

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/JylFnOm.png

xD

every isp is different

if none of that works

chances are

someone changed it

[vestal lotus]

BRB (phone is charging 🔋 )

[tame carbon]

http://www.techguyfrombelgium.com/en/how-to-put-you-proximus-b-box-3-in-bridge-mode/

@vestal lotus theoretically, it should be possible

[plain siren]

AHhhh his Passwords are set on demand

[tame carbon]

changes every day

[plain siren]

The tech requests them, 24 hr laters gone

[tame carbon]

yep

stupid.

I mean, secure

but still

stupid

if he can get it in bridge mode, he only needs his PPPoE details

@vestal lotus its possible to use this device as purely a modem.

By configuring it as bridge mode, like in that article above.

You will however need to ask your ISP for your PPPoE login credentials

Shouldn't be that big of an issue

these PPPoE login credentials are entered in your hAP ac2

and then you entirely skip the routing stuff on the bbox

@plain siren so I started new job last week

and my first observation: total chaos

1 server (no vm, or containerizing) that is used for

• Production instance
• Test/Dev instance
• Git via ssh for source code

Releases are done via putty & filezilla

there's no review process embedded into the toolchain

in fact

there's no toolchain at all

I set them up with gitea, and am now busy with configuring jenkins.

setting up a review procedure for the team, and organizing automatic deployment of test & acceptance instances

thank fuck they already use git

so moving to gitea was a 0 hastle operation

[vestal lotus]

I go away for a few min to this news. Fantastic.

But yeah, S/N didn't work... and now I learn that.

Great.

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus can you log in as user?

https://xkcd.com/2259/

xkcd: Networking Problems

LOOK, THE LATENCY FALLS EVERY TIME YOU CLAP YOUR HANDS AND SAY YOU BELIEVE

[vestal lotus]

I can, one moment.

https://i.imgur.com/yEa5vDj.png

Got in.

[tame carbon]

ok click on network connectivity

[vestal lotus]

Okay

[tame carbon]

send screenshot via dm

[vestal lotus]

Seems like they're talking about PPPoE.

[peak cloak]

yeah

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus correct

So basically, you disable the PPP on the modem

this allows you to register your own PPP client, through your own router

like that hAP ac2

[vestal lotus]

Something... like this?

https://i.imgur.com/GXwzI53.png

Rough guess, is all. @tame carbon

[green forge]

@plain siren I'm just gonna try to update my windows, I have no idea if it's drivers or what

@tame carbon Do you know how to fix Ethernet and wifi problems

[lean pebble]

Today I saw hosting company that sells "dedicated server" but gives the customer vps instead without administrator permission to windows and upload speed that even slower then home network.

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus your hAP ac2 should be the one that is connected to your powerline

[tender hazel]

On the bright side, while you have no internet, at least you are secured.

[tame carbon]

both bbox and your 2nd AP are connected to the main router (your hAP ac2 in livingroom)

[lean pebble]

Hahaha thats true secured it's when you can't access the internet

[tame carbon]

let me whip up a diagram

[green forge]

@tender hazel I do have internet

Just my computer started doing this ever since I moved

[lean pebble]

But it says no internet

[green forge]

Yeah

I does

But why do all the other computers work

Perfectly fine

[lean pebble]

Maybe windows

[green forge]

Yeah

[lean pebble]

Sometimes windows does this stupid things

[green forge]

And it only fixes itself when I restart the network closet

[lean pebble]

At least it works

Or restart your pc

[green forge]

And still it happens again randomly

I alr did that

[lean pebble]

Try give it static IP

I had it once with my Linux laptop I needed to give it static IP to find the issue

[green forge]

I've noticed it goes out if I'm trying to scroll though YouTube or loading into a game

[vestal lotus]

https://i.imgur.com/6veCybh.png

Better?

[green forge]

@lean pebble What static IP should I uze

[lean pebble]

What is the internal network IPs you got ?
192.168.0.1/24 or something like 10.0.0/8

Do ipconfig in cmd

[green forge]

I have

The strange thing is

[lean pebble]

Ok

[green forge]

Even though there inst internet on my pc I can access router

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus https://i.imgur.com/oY90s8X.png

[green forge]

And it shows wifi fine

[lean pebble]

I always setting up my network subnet alone that's why I know what IP should be free

[lean pebble]

Yeah because it's inside your internal network

[green forge]

Ok and what do I do with that ip

So I have my pc ip

Do I make it static or something

[lean pebble]

Need to see how your router configure IPs and find what free.

[green forge]

Idk how to do that

[lean pebble]

Need to connect to your router be look for DHCP

[green forge]

I cant

Its a desktop

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus the direction the arrows point do not really matter, since there's traffic in either direction

[lean pebble]

You can connect to your router if you get IP address.
192.168.0.1 is your router internal IP

[green forge]

Yeah

[lean pebble]

Write it in your browser

[green forge]

Since I have 2 ethernet ports I connected to 2.5 and it works for now

Just update please

[lean pebble]

Ok

[green forge]

Nope

Cut out

[lean pebble]

So it's not IP problem I think maybe driver update

[green forge]

Idk

Honestly

[lean pebble]

Or antivirus that block your network

[green forge]

I don't have any other

Great

[lean pebble]

Only this pc have this issue ?

[green forge]

I can't log into router

Yes only this

[lean pebble]

I need to see it

[green forge]

See what

Let me access it from another computer

Cuz it's not letting me

[vestal lotus]

I think I get it now? Correct me if I got something wrong.

Living Room would be talking with BBox (who would be talking to the ISP), while also handling Powerline 1 and serving other devices.

Powerline 1 would talk to Powerline 2, who would talk to AC2 (who is handling other devices).

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus think of the powerline as just a way to plug a cable between the two APs

both of them can be a router or wifi AP, at same time or seperately

you will only use one of them as your router

the other will just be there to distribute the internet

the firewall configuration and such will all be on the one in your living room

[vestal lotus]

Powerline 1 would be the router in this case, right?

[tame carbon]

So your bbox connects to port 1

you plug your powerline into port 2

[vestal lotus]

Which would leave 3 ports free.

[tame carbon]

exactly

you can use those for TV or whatever else you need wired network on

[green forge]

@lean pebble I'm in what do I do after this

[tame carbon]

the other side of the powerline, that is in your attic

that will just plug into any port

that 2nd hAP you have, will not have a firewall or routing.

It just forwards packets as if it were a switch

[vestal lotus]

TV is a smart one (samsung), so, it has wifi. I'll use Wi-Fi for it.

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus the more you can put on wired, the more stable your wireless will be

less clients = less chatter = faster

TV is a constant 14mbit/s stream

that sort of stuff is best on wire

[green forge]

@lean pebble I have sys logs would that help?

[tame carbon]

@vestal lotus https://i.imgur.com/0ois79d.png Quite a few devices xD

[green forge]

Ddos attack?

What the

[vestal lotus]

Hmmm...

[tame carbon]

if its in the same room

and you can use 5GHz, then don't bother

thats fast enough

I am behind a wall, and on 5GHz I still get ~160mbit/s

[vestal lotus]

So, Attic would be the guy handling the packets from powerline 2, while Powerline 1 and the living room hAP are doing all the work?

[tame carbon]

the one in the living room is the controller yes

the one in the attic just hangs on as additional station

if you'd unplug the one in the living room

wireless would stop throughout the entire house