networking

[tender hazel]

link speed?

[shy cosmos]

175/90 (Mbps)

[tender hazel]

that seems low unless it is try to save power

[shy cosmos]

ok

so how do i change it?

or

[tender hazel]

you don't really have a lot of control over that - are you plugged in right now or are you on battery

[shy cosmos]

im on a desktopp

[tender hazel]

ok

are your drivers up to date?

[shy cosmos]

like which in spesific

[tender hazel]

your wireless driver

[shy cosmos]

yes it is

[tender hazel]

that's not a good way of updating

go to intel, they have a driver update thing

the drivers in windows update are often older than the ones from the manufacturer

also, see this: https://community.intel.com/t5/Wireless/Why-is-my-upload-so-slow-on-the-AX200/td-p/630281

not sure if you have an MSI motherboard, if you do, that might be impacting things

some kind of program called "cfosspeed" that comes with "MSI Dragon Center"

apparently slows down the wireless upload speed

[shy cosmos]

hey

that fixed it

[tender hazel]

what did?

[shy cosmos]

im getting 11 MBPS upload now

drivers

[tender hazel]

great

[shy cosmos]

thank you

[tender hazel]

you're welcome

[tame carbon]

KILLLER™️ Network Interface

[tender hazel]

killer with three L's?

[low pond]

KILLER 2.5G LAN

[thick minnow]

I had a killer nic once

[low pond]

WTF YOU NIC IS A KILLER?

[thick minnow]

e2100? Idr name

[low pond]

so bad. how much packets did it murder

[thick minnow]

Was goat

[low pond]

xD

[thick minnow]

Gave it away when I got tired of unstable internet & used Intel nic instead

Or was it bad win10 support

Cant remember

[low pond]

prolly win10

crap10

[copper rover]

Anyone familiar with WSD printing? How does it advertise over the network? Is this printer or client initiated on multi-cast lookup? Does it use mDNS?

I'm thinking I need to allow mDNS IP helper on a NAT between WLAN and LAN, but not sure if mDNS will help in that regard.

[flat wagon]

why do people hate on KILLER network interfaces? what disadvantage does it have over the Intel one? many high end motherboards always advertising killer network ports so I always assumed it was good until I saw forum posts about how bad it is

[peak cloak]

support

[mighty wind]

Yeah that's my problem. I have an issue where I plugin in a network cable and it wont do anything. I have to disable and enable the port again to get it to realize there is a network available. No support...

[copper rover]

Modern NICs do TCP/IP offloading. Though more of the stack is offloaded with Windows Server edition which is why some consumer NICs aren't compatible.

I do believe that KILLER is just a sever grade NIC chipset that does more offloading in Windows Home/Pro with software QoS. Basically you would in theory get the same out of Windows Server

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/networking/technologies/network-subsystem/net-sub-performance-tuning-nics

[low pond]

I never knew that was possible, the offloading stuff

I taught NIC was just a, piece of hardware connected directly. The kernel has all the code of how to operate it

[peak cloak]

like arp, arp is done by the nic, not really the kernel

iirc

[low pond]

Oh i see

[tame carbon]

They try to do some kind of QoS to "decrease" lag. But this is nonsensical. QoS is done with a queue, and queues increase latency

also, their marketing is 90% bullshit

@low pond kernel takes care of networking too. Layers 1-3 are the media layers those are handled by the NIC, or close to it (firmware)

These protocols are standardized in the kernel

layer 4 and up is entirely done by the host

https://i.imgur.com/kEgBCuO.png

windows does not apply.

it has its own network stack

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak lol https://i.imgur.com/6gQr4zt.png

have a go yourself

https://www.msi.com/Landing/afterburner/graphics-cards

also, try the download button, its amusing

also, love it when websites change my cursor

[peak cloak]

I mean it loads, but like download doesn't work at all and the curser is just cringe

[tame carbon]

now scroll down

[peak cloak]

yeahhh

I hate those

I mean it looks nice in certain situations, but this is just cringe

[tame carbon]

look, material design can be really cool

[peak cloak]

and overdone

[tame carbon]

but

you have to do it properly

look at apple

they nailed it

they have some adverts

[peak cloak]

spacex did it well too https://www.spacex.com/vehicles/falcon-9/

the website is honestly pretty good

[tame carbon]

yeah but that has clear page seperations

and just

junk that appears when you scroll enough

[peak cloak]

also @tame carbon do you have any experience with rollup?

[tame carbon]

nope

[peak cloak]

trying to pass along a .env

[tame carbon]

javascript

[peak cloak]

yeah

[tame carbon]

export foo=wat

environment variables.

[peak cloak]

well ik how to use .env normally

just not with rollup

[tame carbon]

idek what that is

@peak cloak my only time using webpack was last semester of school yeah, but I regularly chatted about this

that was my first and only time, doing actual programming for web with node

I was just given a script

[peak cloak]

@tame carbon so the full situation is I'm making a discord bot in js, wanted to use ts. However I wanted to use es6 import/export. Node supports that, however you need to use .mjs files, which tsc won't do

[tame carbon]

and tweaked it a bit to my needs

the only reason i can just draw from knowledge with java is because, I've been doing that for 9 years...

node in particular, with all its libraries is just a bit unknown to me

angular, and the codebase at work is..

[peak cloak]

tried tsdx, which I'm trying rn, but a whole whopping 250mb of node_modules

[tame carbon]

ooooof

I looked at it for 2 hours today

and my head started hurting

garbage everywhere

like i open a file

entire bar on the right side in my IDE

completely red.

yet it runs

?!

[peak cloak]

what ide

[tame carbon]

IDEA

[peak cloak]

maybe because jsx

[tame carbon]

no its just angular

[peak cloak]

oh yeah..

never even tried angular

[tame carbon]

but not even that

my linter

[peak cloak]

maybe need angular plugin

[tame carbon]

is going

AHHHH

[peak cloak]

ohh

[tame carbon]

because of all the poor style

; intermittendly

and

lots of trailing whitespace

everything is red

maybe have to disable the linter for a while

[peak cloak]

maybe I should just use deno..

[copper rover]

It's to cater to the tablet UI as the common denominator. And yes, that paradigm is total ass!

[low pond]

Damn is switching back to windows so bad

One of my friends are really hating me legit for it

[copper rover]

It's not so bad

https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

Bonus: They're an MS Partner 🤣

[waxen saddle]

Might want to consider if they are actually your friend or shallow enough to drop them as a friend. Seriously, their attitude appears to be immature and elitist.

[low pond]

No one is my friend, not gonna put my emotional breakdown here but they are anyways just online Discord people tbh

I made them interested in Linux, yea

I am temporarily just going to windows and they say they feel betrayed and stuff but at the end they concluded it is my laptop anyway so its my wish but "please dont talk about your windows here"

[tender hazel]

for certain things, linux just isn't an option

I do music technology stuff professionally, and linux is not an option for that, period

(in addition to my network engineer job)

[peak cloak]

yep, it's ok to switch between OSes

linux for dev

music and video is basically windows

you can get stuff done on linux, but it's kinda a pain

[tender hazel]

well it is not only that - for things like music production, 90%+ of the good commercial tools and sample libraries and samplers and plugins are windows and mac only

no linux support

[peak cloak]

yeah

[tender hazel]

so if you are trying to sell music, and it sounds kinda crappy compared to everybody else's music who is on windows and mac because you have to restrict yourself to the few things that will run on linux, that's not a good way to sell music

you can put up a disclaimer saying "sorry this kinda sounds like crap, but I use linux and there is no good music stuff available for linux"

but that's not likely to make stuff sell

[peak cloak]

yeah

no one cares what os you used to make it

[tender hazel]

exactly, you have to be pragmatic about things

some people are just so FOSS fanboy-ish and refuse to use any commercial software b/c they believe it is immoral to actually make money from software

but for niche software programs you are almost never going to get the amount of investment compared to open source software that everybody uses, like apache web server and nginx

developers have to live

[lean pebble]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/374c1e053241f9bd99721187e81be4ae/tumblr_inline_pto5pvl8Fl1skb2to_640.jpg

[tender hazel]

windows doesn't have to update that often

I have to reboot like once every month or two to update

[waxen saddle]

Once a month, on "Patch Tuesday". I've set it up as a calendar item so I'm notified the day before.

[simple frigate]

you guys think that the reason my chrome download speeds are really slow is cause of malware? I normally get 100mbps on a speedtest and 10-15mbps on games. downloading on chrome takes 1-2 hours for a 10gb file..

[copper rover]

I've seen a Windows HyperV server run for 580+ days before. Obviously never patched in that time. But hey, it ran that long. Can't say it's not reliable so long as the underlying hardware is.

And no, it wasn't mine. I inherited that little project as part of a job

[worthy tusk]

anyone have experience with proxmox?

my vm just moved to another node for some reason

im not sure what happened

[plain siren]

It shouldnt just randomly move

Unless there is some sort of load balancing enable in your cluster manager

[low horizon]

I've been trying to setup a minecraft server to play with my friends but I'm just not able to get it to work. I've setup port forwarding on my router with the right port number for TCP and UDP anol. can anyone help me with this?

[tame carbon]

@low horizon sure

You only need to forward 25565/tcp

Could you run a traceroute for me? (To verify if you are not behind a CG-NAT)

open command prompt and run: tracert 1.1.1.1 (on macOS/linux: traceroute 1.1.1.1)

[keen urchin]

exactly. Get software from someone that it's their whole job. Because they give a shit a lot more than you ever will. Works for personal and work. eg... I bought teracopy ages ago, and I bought a lifetime subscription to digital blasphemy, as well as a display fusion license

[tame carbon]

imagine using an operating system where your file browser is optional

windows workflows are gross

and all the paid solutions that try to fix it, aren't attack the problem the right way

why would you pay for a program to copy files more efficiently 🤣

[keen urchin]

Why wouldn't you pay to make your life easier

[plain siren]

One I personally paid for because I loved it so much:
TC4Shell

Its 7zip in Explorer basically.

[keen urchin]

yep

exactly.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I didn't pay for shit when I was a poor student, because my time was also worthless

[little schooner]

@plain siren TC4Shells let's you save changes to files directly in the archive too?

or is it just for quickly viewing contents

[plain siren]

Yes

[little schooner]

I see myself using it for quickly editing .wim image files

sometimes I just want to replace one file in wim and repackage

not going through the whole dism process

[plain siren]

I try to avoid making modifications to the source image

[lean pebble]

but every update take long time to download and install

[rose sparrow]

Hey! Any cable internet expert here?

[peak cloak]

just ask your question

[rose sparrow]

My modem keeps reseting (dropping connection) so I complained about it to my provider. Their technician said that my upstream is bad and the modem has to shout-out too loud for upstream

and because of lockdown in my area; the technicians can't visit

So any sugessions how can i improve upstream quality?

Modem is good, it has no issues

[peak cloak]

not really, it's an issue on the ISPs end

Idk too much about DOCISS but maybe someone here may have other suggestions

[rose sparrow]

They say it's a small issue and they just have to change the socket

[plain siren]

From what they are saying, they are suggesting there is too much noise on the line

[rose sparrow]

yeah thats the issue, no one is much aware about DOCSIS

[plain siren]

And that it may be caused by a bad connection

[rose sparrow]

They say there's too much signal loss on upstream

[plain siren]

DOCSIS is basically RF over Coax without actually using RF

[fathom plover]

How many splitters do you have on the line?

[rose sparrow]

0

only taps

[plain siren]

How old is the coax

[rose sparrow]

the main line is since 2003

[plain siren]

Yeah, I bet the link is starting to degrade then...

[rose sparrow]

and my line is since 2019

[plain siren]

They prob need to change the service terminal block

Those things get weathered over time

Rust away, break down, etc

[fathom plover]

what provider might I ask?

[rose sparrow]

they recently changed the tap and the fat the cable that comes from the previous tap

[rose sparrow]

YouBroadband

[peak cloak]

ah, India

[rose sparrow]

yup 😅

[plain siren]

Well, ok everyone here can ostracize me later but Ima suggest it anyways:
You got access to the service box outside?

[rose sparrow]

yes

[plain siren]

The one that feeds the easement, not the one on your house

[fathom plover]

might break tos be very careful

[fathom plover]

nonononononono

that breaks so many laws

[rose sparrow]

I have access to the tap

[plain siren]

"bite me"

[rose sparrow]

thats all

A bit of googling led me to a conclusion that if I insert my coax to the termination point, it will help a bit

mine is the last tap

[plain siren]

Uhm, so wait... this is a single line that breaks off into many connection points right?

[rose sparrow]

yup, but not through splitters

they are using taps

[plain siren]

Are we talking Termination > HOUSE1, HOUSE2, HOUSE3 or Termination > HOUSE1 > Room1, Room2, Room3

[rose sparrow]

the first case

[plain siren]

O O OUCH

So you are last in line from the other houses then

[rose sparrow]

As we are talking, I called up the technician; he suggested that they would be putting a device called Active Signal return

[plain siren]

So you dont wanna bypass a Tap

Its gonna cause noise issues with your upstream neighbors

[rose sparrow]

Is that a option

[plain siren]

An ASR is just a Booster

Thats bandaiding the problem and may not work

[rose sparrow]

Cuz i dont think so i can do that

[plain siren]

It doesnt fix signal fidelity

[rose sparrow]

Yes ik, these technicians comeup with useless solutions, I have had a similar experience in the past

[plain siren]

From what I am betting

One of the taps feeding your neighbors is degrading

is this a multi family unit?

Like an apt or town home

[rose sparrow]

yes

As far as I know there are 6 taps on a line, our tap is the last one

[plain siren]

Do you know if its MAIN FEED > TAP 1 Device > TAP 2 Device > TAP 3 Device...etc
or is it 1 box with multiple taps

[rose sparrow]

If i plug my coax here, would it help

[plain siren]

Well I wouldnt see why they would be using multiple TAP's + The Multiplex TAP Box at the same time, you should confirm which is being used

Although if they ARE using both, that means that box serves the multiple BUILDINGS and from each one of those connections, each TAP breaks out into each Family unit inside the building

[rose sparrow]

yes this is the case FTTN>TAP1>TAP2>TAP3>.......>TAP6

[rose sparrow]

Yes

[plain siren]

OH SO THEY ARE USING BOTH?

Yikes, someone cheaped out on infra

If you connected directly to that box, it would basically cut off your neighbors

[rose sparrow]

Thats the situation of every cable company in India

[rose sparrow]

No my tap is the last one

[rose sparrow]

So basically this point is expty

[plain siren]

But all of you are on the same line, you cant bypass your neighbors

[rose sparrow]

empty

[rose sparrow]

give me a sec

[plain siren]

So this is how a "Pure Drop-Tap" feed works

How you are describing

You got termination (Head-end) then each tap serves a unit

[plain siren]

I should ask this: Is there only 1 COAX Feed into your unit?

[rose sparrow]

by drawing is a bit bad, but understandable

[plain siren]

yeah you could bypass the coupler in your wall and go straight coax from your MODEM <> TAP

And maybe it might help

but more than likely, your issue is caused as they said... upstream

which you cant really touch

[rose sparrow]

I had a question, are these ports assigned to users?

[plain siren]

Not in DOCSIS

[fathom plover]

I have docsis too right now but I soon plan to upgrade to fiber 👀

[peak cloak]

I have verizon fios rn

[woeful arch]

i like your funny words magic man

[fathom plover]

I plan to become my "own isp"

[peak cloak]

yeah I saw that on your blog

[woeful arch]

it will be hard but good luck

[fathom plover]

?

[peak cloak]

how much do the fees cost

andrewnet.net

your AS number

and stuff

[fathom plover]

ah yeah lol

[fathom plover]

nah I already have tunneled L2 to my house

[peak cloak]

must be more expensive

[peak cloak]

nice, through who?

[fathom plover]

Global Secure Layer

[fathom plover]

I am not an ARIN member lmao

too expensive

[plain siren]

Who is your Number Registry?

[peak cloak]

yeah but who does the physical transit

[fathom plover]

GRE tunnel to them... physical is technically comcast

[peak cloak]

ah

[fathom plover]

RIPE

[plain siren]

No

[fathom plover]

I keep a server in Amsterdam to qualify even though I live in NJ

[rose sparrow]

oh ok

[fathom plover]

https://bgp.he.net/AS211562 This is me 🙂

[plain siren]

I keep one in France

lol

[fathom plover]

wanna peer?

[peak cloak]

is ARIN that much more expensive?

[fathom plover]

yes

[rose sparrow]

and the stupid technicians are installing Active Signal Return, and as you said @plain siren , It will make things much worse

[fathom plover]

I pay $10/year for my AS registration to a LIR

[plain siren]

Im doing experimental, so you prob dont wanna pollute your route tables with mine for now.

[fathom plover]

I get my v6 ranges for free

[fathom plover]

I have 2 nodes... 1 experimental and 1 prod

[plain siren]

Oo

[plain siren]

I wish!

[fathom plover]

2605:f440:9f90::/48 is my experiment

[fathom plover]

are you on EVIX?

[rose sparrow]

You guys getting ipv6?

[plain siren]

Yezzir

[fathom plover]

I own my own v6 ranges

[fathom plover]

heyyyy me too... whats ur AS?

[peak cloak]

I get it though a HE tunnel

[rose sparrow]

we dont even get our own ipv4 here

[fathom plover]

HE charges a shit-ton for bgp tunnels now

[rose sparrow]

Everything's under CGNAT

[fathom plover]

oof; that actually sucks

[plain siren]

Oh god, if I say it, Im gonna get made fun of for its reg name

[fathom plover]

I will only judge a little

[peak cloak]

yeah I just do it through the tunnelbroker free service

[plain siren]

God help me

[peak cloak]

?

[fathom plover]

lol what? did you depeer your transit?

[plain siren]

No, I forgot which Node is handling my fucking IRR route sets

[fathom plover]

how many nodes do you have? I only have 2 lol

[plain siren]

I got a few I jump around between depending on what I am doing

[fathom plover]

I assume you use Vultr?

[plain siren]

Colocation

[fathom plover]

ah: I am a college freshman and cannot afford colo... especially in the NYC area

[peak cloak]

I'm in the NYC area too...

[plain siren]

right now the one I have up and running for Asia Network monitoring is in HK (of all Places)

[fathom plover]

I am in central NJ... 5 minutes from Rutgers

[peak cloak]

ah

[fathom plover]

I am thinking of coloing a rasppi in HE fremont

[plain siren]

there is the France Junkie Box, An Aussie Box, and a Britbong box

[peak cloak]

I'm in Bergen County

thinking about going to rutgers

still in HS

[fathom plover]

I go to NJIT lol

[peak cloak]

or njit as well

[plain siren]

I really wanna use some raspis to do a nice net spread

[peak cloak]

state schools, so cheaper

[fathom plover]

yeah; I have 2 locations both on the east coast... I want a cheap colo somewhere else

Toronto and NJ

[plain siren]

In the US I got Dallas, Cali, Arizona, NYC, and Miami

[fathom plover]

wow: every other BGP person I talk to has atleast Fremont

is that ur cali?

[plain siren]

Negatory

SF

[fathom plover]

what dc?

[plain siren]

EQNIX

[fathom plover]

i bet you pay a fortune for that shit

[plain siren]

Yeah..... its very costly

[fathom plover]

do you want to peer? with NYC?

[plain siren]

But I get way better "Real route" visibility over the typical problem pipes

Yeet, sure

I really should ditch ARIN

[peak cloak]

any real drawbacks from using RIPE?

when you are in the US

I'm a noob at bgp and all that

[plain siren]

Nah

[fathom plover]

you have to “maintain service in RIPEs region”

I have a $2.50/month vps in Amsterdam

[low pond]

They sell by the rack, so, buying a rack, for... a single pi. sure

But on the other hand there are usually a lot of resellers, I actually know someone in my dm's itself who has the free rack at HE

Before anyone spams "HE FMT2 YOU MUST BE joking 🤮 EWW WORST NETWORK ever", at least he gets it for "free" :d

and I love my 300+ms pings to there

[hollow marlin]

Most RIRs have a policy against out of region use. ARIN for example allows it only if you have a /22 or greater and fall under 3 or 4 checkboxes (example: must have infrastructure in the region and peered with an AS in that region)
Behind the scenes there are databases in each of the RIRs and are mostly sync'd together. Starting from the bottom up (client->ISP-T2->T1) use these databases when routes are received. The actual databases used for route verification are in RADB or with RPKI and if any of the AS that are advertising space and have not added that into them, the routes are dropped.
So if you register in RIPE and advertise in the US, it could mark the database and your route will not propagate. Using a VPS gets around this because of anycast and their agreements

[hollow sonnet]

Will using the DNS Server 1.1.1.1 in North Central U.S. make gaming faster? Or does it just make browsing faster.

[peak cloak]

it makes dns resolution faster. It may make websites and certain tasks feel more snappy, but once a hostname is looked up, it's cached and will make no difference

[hollow sonnet]

okay

[hollow sonnet]

So it will enhance web browsing but It will make no difference when gaming

[peak cloak]

well, all it does is make dns resolution faster, web browsing is where you are making lots of difference dns requests, whereas in gaming you get one hostname for the server and you use that for the whole session.

It won't improve your latency

[hollow sonnet]

ok

thanks 🙂

[inner pine]

Need help!!!!
Suppose say I have two routers connected one under an other (ie the 2nd router wan is connected to lan port of 1st router) and now if I enable port forwarding on my 2 nd router (say port 80),will that port be forwarded to the internet or to the above network (the network of 1st router)

[peak cloak]

no

you only want NAT on one router

and make the other an AP

[inner pine]

No as in Port is forwarded to the above network

[tawny flint]

@tame carbon
so i have the TL-SG2210MP
do i need it on POE or Speed the seting for the switch my upload speed isn't great (Australia 😦 )
i get around

[tame carbon]

@tawny flint what do you mean?

switch itself is just a switch, it can switch at full gigabit speeds

its just, your WAN that is slow in this example

[tawny flint]

like for local when i am home i can check when i am outside and i set the switch to POE and it like full gigabit speed but the upload speed is like 20mbps im guessing that would do nothing?

[tame carbon]

PoE just injects power over an ethernet cable alongside data

I thought you had a bunch of devices that required this

I forgot the premise

[tawny flint]

i have 5 camera and nas that can do 1gbps and my pc :3

[tame carbon]

Exactly

[tawny flint]

so i just do Speed and have the camera on 100mbps i guess

[tame carbon]

huh?

[tame carbon]

@tawny flint should be able to do both gigabit and PoE at the same time

You need to connect to the web configuration

Thats where you can do per-port configuration

[tawny flint]

i see i will work it on it later then

[tame carbon]

this is a "smart" switch

[tawny flint]

i just got a replacement PTZ camera

just doing pre setup and IP and mac binding

[tame carbon]

@tawny flint I would configure the switch first

[tawny flint]

ok

[tame carbon]

Most switches set themselves a default IP

or they grab one from DHCP if they can

varies from brand to brand

[tawny flint]

yea everything i set hs like 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 almost single digit number

[tame carbon]

my switch actually configures itself like a router xD

its just that I do not use the routing features, purely switching

[tawny flint]

so where do i find it

[tame carbon]

Standalone Mode
■ Using the GUI: Open a web browser on your computer and type the default management address
http://192.168.0.1 in the address field, then press the Enter key. The default username and password
are both admin in lower case letters.
■ Using the CLI: Set up a Telnet or SSH connection to access the CLI (command-line interface).

[tawny flint]

hmmmm it stop working the camera

[tame carbon]

YOu need to configure PoE negotiation for each port that you need it on

[tawny flint]

this ^

[tame carbon]

select a port

make sure it has PoE enabled, only if there is a cam

[tawny flint]

port 8 7 6 5 4

[tame carbon]

idk how to work this web UI

you'll have to figure this out

you can post screenshots if you need a hint

[tawny flint]

but when i set it 1000M it dies the network

[tame carbon]

@tawny flint are you sure your cameras even do gigabit ethernet?

they may just use fast ethernet

[tawny flint]

using cat5E cable

[tame carbon]

no the interface on the cameras

[tawny flint]

no i see the camera just do 10m/100mbps

[tame carbon]

so that explains it

if it is set to 'Auto negotiate'

[tawny flint]

https://tenor.com/view/hank-shoot-me-king-of-the-hill-hose-gun-gif-9222714

[tame carbon]

itll pick the fastest link speed

the modules i Have over here do not support auto negotiate

I have to manually set it

[tawny flint]

i just set it back normal so let it do it stuff

[tame carbon]

Yeah if you have a gigabit capable PoE device

it would work

[tawny flint]

yea if they cameras are gigbit but they not

[tame carbon]

well, it would explicitly say so on the packaging

but a camera would have enough for 100mbit/s

I have 4 cams here and they total to around 50mbit/s

[tawny flint]

it doesn't say on the box but on the quick start nothing XD only on website and spec sheet on web

thx Crystal was kinda a dumb question 😐

[tame carbon]

np

[deft crystal]

I have come here to meet new friends.

Because I'm "networking"

[willow hinge]

Hey so what should I group into virtual servers?
Things I need are print server, web server for a medium size company, User authentication, Highly secure storage, on site backup,Redundancy for fault tolerance File storage for employees, Control of access to programs, DHCP, DNS

[surreal shore]

I have a question, my box supports 10GB ethernet with an SFP + Port.

I can either get an SFP + 10GB RJ45 Adatper then a Cat7 cable to a 10GB pcie RJ45 10GB adapter to get ethernet, but this costs around 200$ all together

And I can also get an SFP + 10GB DAC cable with an SFP + pcie adapter which costs around 50$

My question is, the second option should be able to give my pc internet, I'm unsure if it does or if it only works with local ethernet.

[tame carbon]

@surreal shore If you have SFP+ use SFP+, going onto RJ45 10GbE is very expensive.

SFP+ interfaces just use ethernet, so it doesn't make a difference.

DAC cables are limited in distance if you need more cable length you can get active optical cables, or get module & patch fibers seperately.

[surreal shore]

Thank you @tame carbon yes I did my research before

[tame carbon]

Do you have a switch ?

[surreal shore]

I got a 3m dac with a PCI express SPF+ dell

My modem has it, I will only use it for my pc I don't need a switch

[tame carbon]

Are you certain that this SFP+ port on your modem can be used for LAN?

[surreal shore]

Yes

It is made for that

[tame carbon]

I've seen some ISP boxes that have support for SFP+ as WAN interface (fiber internet)

[surreal shore]

It's LAN,

[tame carbon]

Ok :D

[surreal shore]

https://youtu.be/0qQoffTow7o

It's in French but I saw this video and did some research

[tame carbon]

je ne pas parlez francais

that's about all you're going to get out of me ^

[surreal shore]

And you can get like 6k download

😂

[tame carbon]

https://i.mt.lv/cdn/rb_images/1659_l.jpg

I have this for my 10G 'backbone' at home

its like $120

4x 10G

@surreal shore I guess for reference: https://mikrotik.com/product/crs305_1g_4s_in

[surreal shore]

Cool!

I got the dac and the pcie card for 45 dollars

Both used from dell

[tame carbon]

wat

Nice

[surreal shore]

Yup

[tame carbon]

Yeah, I dropped quite a lot of money on Intel NICs

but then again, they are intel NICs

reliable, and never breaks if you try advanced features

THose cards cost ~80 bucks

@surreal shore good source for fiber patch cables, DACs and AOCs is: http://fs.com

you can buy straight from manufacturer, they ship worldwide

you can order custom lengths of pre-spliced fiber and such

very handy :)

[surreal shore]

Yeah I saw this one

[tame carbon]

custom fibers take a while to ship though

[surreal shore]

But the pcie was too expensive since I just want to do it for ethernet

[tame carbon]

they are fabbed in china, and then shipped

@surreal shore yeah but have you seen what 10GbE interfaces cost? :D

you have RJ45 on your PC.. then you need RJ45 on your switch as well

and those SFP+ RJ45 modules cost ~50 bucks each

10GbE capable switches (no SFP+) cost like double of what the SFP+ variant costs

RJ45 is only really sensible for 1G, and 10G up to 25 meters..

at 10G I wouldn't use copper, fiber is just easier

[surreal shore]

Yeah rj45 10g Is like 100, then you need the SPF adapter for 45 and then the cat7 cable

xD

[tame carbon]

Lemme share picture of my network rack

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/776722183119699988/777646103775674368/IMG-20200922-WA0001.jpg

The ISP fiber is on the left (only 1G)
The other fiber (on the spool) is my local 10G

that 10G switch is in my office, connected to that fiber

Those fiber modules are like $15 each

And 100 meters of singlemode duplex fiber is like ~40 bucks

@surreal shore but the CRS305 is perfect for someone who wants to get into 10G networking

I have mine paired with this router: https://mikrotik.com/product/rb4011igs_rm

[surreal shore]

I don't need the networking for my house, I just want to take advantage of the 10gb from my ISP

With my main tower

[tame carbon]

@surreal shore It would make sense though, if you had a NAS or something alike.

My friend at home has 1G fiber optics, and a 1G NAS.

When he's downloading movies and such, he runs into the issue that he can only do one thing at one time.

He is using 10G to be able to do both at the same time.

[surreal shore]

well with 6000mb download I can stream movies Im pretty sure

😂

https://www.speedtest.net/result/11406971848.png

after I get the 10gb stuff I should have 6000mbps down

3000 to 6k

https://youtu.be/-dI84OzIaDk

[tame carbon]

@surreal shore that.. is a speedy connection, I'm almost jealous.

I have only 250M here, but at least its only 5ms to the Amsterdam exchange. Front row seat to the largest exchange in europe

[thick minnow]

can i ask for troubleshooting help in here?

[tame carbon]

network related, then yes

[thick minnow]

having trouble with laptops ethernet

i tried tech support

no response so im here

[tame carbon]

This place is rather quiet now too, but if you post your query people will see it

[thick minnow]

oki

[tame carbon]

I'm working right now, and only pay half attention here

[thick minnow]

oh

ok

ill just post and go

[tame carbon]

Yeah people will ping if they can help you out

[thick minnow]

i dont have time to wait around either ngl

[tame carbon]

just post your question :D

[thick minnow]

okii

thanks!

My ethernet is gigabit, its a realtek chip, it has fully updated drivers, and yet, during speedtest and any other web use, it has lower speeds , and when using wifi, the speeds are good.
download speeds are good, but uploads suck soooo bad i almost was gonna scream at my isp customer service for no reason
its a laptop...and isp is providing proper speeds, i pay for 100, i got near 100 upload on wifi, but on ethernet max was 60s to 70s.
and most of the time ethernet upload was as slow as 3 mbps upload

[tame carbon]

So.. wireless is a-ok, but wired is messing up??

[thick minnow]

yes

[tame carbon]

That is indeed strange

[thick minnow]

mhm

[tame carbon]

are you directly plugged into the router?

[thick minnow]

directly yes

[surreal shore]

what is the lenght of the cable

[thick minnow]

abt 2 meters

[surreal shore]

cat6?

[thick minnow]

1.7 i think

cat 6

yes

[surreal shore]

weird

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow can you go to network and sharing center

look at what the negotiated link speed is

[thick minnow]

ok

[tame carbon]

should be under network adapter status (not too familair with windows)

[thick minnow]

yes i got it

[tame carbon]

It either negotiates 100M or 1000M (1G)

[thick minnow]

ok

its 1.0 gbps

its showing like that

[tame carbon]

Okay, so physically there's nothing wrong

It has a gigabit link to your network gear

[thick minnow]

oki

yep

[tame carbon]

okay, and if you do a test: http://fast.com/

This uses netflix' content servers, so usually bit more accurate

[lean pebble]

IP grabber ?

[tame carbon]

no

fast.com is just netflix CDN

[lean pebble]

😂

[tame carbon]

more reliable than speedtest

[lean pebble]

Ok

More reliable than speedtest.net?

[thick minnow]

uh oh

smthn went really

wrong

everything messed up XDDDDD

ill do it again

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble speedtest for me shows only 242mbit/s

but fast.com shows exactly 250

[thick minnow]

im just.....idk

[tame carbon]

That's good no?

[thick minnow]

upload

thats the prob

thats causing me a ton of difficulty

[surreal shore]

upload is usually always lower than they advertise

[tame carbon]

Not for me

but a lot of ISPs have asymetric dataplans.

[thick minnow]

but not 70 mbps lower....

[surreal shore]

mine is 1k up and i get 600

[thick minnow]

i used to gett 100 all

its just now it started being like this

for like 4-5 months

[tame carbon]

Contact your service provider.

There's nothing physically wrong with your own side of things

[thick minnow]

hmm

[tame carbon]

You can archieve >100M speeds, which means gigabit works

[thick minnow]

ill try wifi and show you why

[tame carbon]

Upload being lower, is entirely your ISP's doing, not your own

[thick minnow]

hmm

[surreal shore]

try another port on the router

lol

[thick minnow]

other port is fe....maxed out at 80 smthn

[tame carbon]

roughly 250M

[thick minnow]

wif doesnt have max speeds for download, or upload, but at least im getting better

speeds

[tame carbon]

wireless link speed varies anyways

[thick minnow]

hmm

ye

[tame carbon]

depending on signal strength and such

[thick minnow]

thing is ethernet.....idk

[tame carbon]

but it usually is lower than wired

[thick minnow]

it is

[tame carbon]

wired being slower, I just cannot picture

[thick minnow]

but the upload it like 3 times wired

[lean pebble]

Not reliable as you think.
It shows me 28Mbps down and 11.7Mbps up

While speedtest shows 38Mbps down and 3.43Mbps up

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble I can just run speedtest and look in winbox

[thick minnow]

hm

[lean pebble]

Haha

Lazy to do my computer password

[thick minnow]

btw this is my best case scenario

now im going lower

but download is op

[lean pebble]

I'm on 4.5 hours of sleep

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow do you know what kind of internet connection you have??

[lean pebble]

My country in war again

[tame carbon]

if it is a coaxial network, speeds can vary

[thick minnow]

gpon

[tame carbon]

oh

[thick minnow]

fibre optic basically

[tame carbon]

that... I did not expect to behave like that

if your upload is at different speeds throughout the day

[thick minnow]

exactly!!!!

[tame carbon]

I think its just your ISP that is overloaded.

[thick minnow]

not too diff

[tame carbon]

either way, I would contact them if you believe it is their fault

[thick minnow]

like i get the same speed each day, except like 3-4 mbps diff

[tame carbon]

Wired not giving you the full throughput, I have no clear answer for, other than to question the stability of your router/modem

[thick minnow]

i did ...they tried and for them its showing slightly above my paid speeds....they r giving me extra to get perfect speeds

[thick minnow]

hmmm

starting to question..(did i fry my modem withing just 11 months?)

[lean pebble]

The problem is the upload speed ?

[thick minnow]

yes

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble good

you handle this

so I can go back to work 🤣

[lean pebble]

Lol

I hope I can do this

[thick minnow]

oh ye u better do

[lean pebble]

Barely thinking

🤣

[tame carbon]

coffee.

[lean pebble]

All night missile from Gaza

[lean pebble]

I don't like it

[thick minnow]

mate if u cant its fine....I'll just upgrade my plan to get 200 so i get close to 100 upload....

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble you learn to like it

Coffee is an acquired taste

[lean pebble]

Nah

[lean pebble]

I can see what I can do

[tame carbon]

But it is the only reason for me to get out of bed in the morning xD

[lean pebble]

You pay for 100/100?

Lol hahaha go back to work

[thick minnow]

yep

gonna pay 200/200 next year ig

;)

[lean pebble]

Well how much devices do you use right now ?

[thick minnow]

1

[lean pebble]

I wish I could get 50/50 you say 200/200

🤣

[thick minnow]

lol

[tame carbon]

if I pay 50 bucks more, I can get 800/800

[thick minnow]

WOW

op

[tame carbon]

but 250M is already more than enough for me

[thick minnow]

dayum

[lean pebble]

Gimme 400/200

[thick minnow]

ooh i have to go guys

[lean pebble]

Hahaha

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow corporate line, single mode fiber. No GPON :D

[thick minnow]

my times up

[tame carbon]

I could contact the ISP

[lean pebble]

Oh ok cya soon

[tame carbon]

and get 10G, or 100G

fiber isn't limited, and its a dedicated fiber for each house here

[thick minnow]

they dont supply those to us for some reason...cus they say then bandwidth will go lower for corporates..

[tame carbon]

GPON is a shared medium

@thick minnow nah, GPON

[thick minnow]

ye idea go searc for isp called bsnl

[tame carbon]

GPON can do ~2.5G

[thick minnow]

oog

[tame carbon]

GPON is 2488mbit downstream and 1244mbit upstream

[thick minnow]

well gtg

[thick minnow]

hm

thanks a ton for the help guys

[tame carbon]

that's what it is physically capable of

[thick minnow]

ill call them and see what they can do!

byeeee

[tame carbon]

single mode fiber is just light down a tube, no limits

bye :)

[thick minnow]

hmm

that wud have been good

but thing is im now sure its my isp

my latency is bonkers

and speeds dead

imma call them

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow latency can be tested

if you do a traceroute

you can see which router is to blame for the latency

[thick minnow]

oh

oki

ill try

tracert right?

wait help me

idk how to tracerout

how do i find the bad one

oh damn a ton of them just outright failed....

ISP UR IN DEEP TROUBLE

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow do you have a screenshot?

[thick minnow]

nop

i dont takes ss (im dumb)

wait this is awkward

this is awkward

just switched to fast ethernet and uploads increased....

but latency ballz

dood like wtf

fast ethernet is giving op uploads mate

idk what to do

isp doing good

[odd panther]

Anyone know of a KVM switch that supports two monitors (60 hertz), USB (at least 3 with one 3.0), and can hook up to a PC with a thunderbolt plus the usual connections?

[thick minnow]

i hab no idea mate

[odd panther]

This probably isn’t the right channel anyway🤷🏻‍♂️

[thick minnow]

I mean this is technically an unofficial Linux channel, so...... probably? Butyea #build-a-pc might be the right one

[odd panther]

I’ll delete my messages and ask there. Thanks!

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow see if another computer has better results on gigabit

[thick minnow]

i dont have any other pc with gigabit...

[lean pebble]

Maybe cable unstable

[lean pebble]

Cable or wifi?

[thick minnow]

cable

[lean pebble]

Can you try replace the cable ?

[thick minnow]

gigabit ethernet uploads are ballz, but fast ethernet is blazin

[thick minnow]

no its not cables fault.....

not routers either

cus speeds are really good in fe

[lean pebble]

I had similar problem and it was the cable

[thick minnow]

oh

for me this is a new cable so....

[lean pebble]

I bought a new cable that never worked 😅

[thick minnow]

weird thing is u r supposed to get max speeds in gigabit, but im getting them in fe.....

[tame carbon]

Yeah but if there;s a cable fault..

[thick minnow]

CONFOOSION 101

[tame carbon]

then link speed would go down

[thick minnow]

hm

[tame carbon]

if it says gigabit, it is gigabit.

[thick minnow]

ok

[tame carbon]

you need 8 wires for gigabit

[thick minnow]

rn its fe and speeds ok

[tame carbon]

4 wires for 100M

[lean pebble]

But he pays for 100/100 not giga

[thick minnow]

hm ok lemme see

[tame carbon]

But we already established this

[thick minnow]

ok i habe 8 wires

[tame carbon]

You can get a gigabit link

[waxen saddle]

Fast Ethernet uses a smaller subset of physical wires than gigabit Ethernet.

[thick minnow]

hmm

[tame carbon]

2 pairs (4 wires) is enough for 100M

[thick minnow]

so i shud get cat 7 or smthn?

[tame carbon]

no

[thick minnow]

ok

[tame carbon]

cat5e can do gigabit up to 100 meters

[thick minnow]

hmm

[tame carbon]

cat7 is overrated.

[thick minnow]

lol

[lean pebble]

I usually use cat6

[clear igloo]

Cat7 isn't a TIA/EIA standard anyway

[thick minnow]

ok so is fe can get 93 mbps, why cant gigabit get it?

[thick minnow]

oh

tia?

kia?

[tame carbon]

standards body

[thick minnow]

hmmmm oki

[lean pebble]

I made my own cat6

[tame carbon]

Telecommunications Industry Association

[thick minnow]

OOOOOH

oki

[thick minnow]

bad or good?

[lean pebble]

Good

[thick minnow]

nice

[waxen saddle]

If the 2 extra wires that gigabit Ethernet uses are damaged, that can cause signal reflections and it has to retransmit packets, causing higher delays

[thick minnow]

so idk

[lean pebble]

My cat7 never worked as it should 🤣

[thick minnow]

upload speeds are max of 60 in gigabit, but 95 in fe

help

[thick minnow]

lol

[waxen saddle]

Replace the cable.

[thick minnow]

oh

[lean pebble]

That's what I said

...

[waxen saddle]

You could try re-crimping the ends, but otherwise, it’s most likely the cable

[thick minnow]

ok so i set it to fe in my laptop, not in my router...

[thick minnow]

recrimping?

its a dlink cable so....

[lean pebble]

I'm confused

[thick minnow]

me too

[lean pebble]

D-Link cable ? They make network cables ?

[thick minnow]

apparently there are more like me...but for them its ez fix

[thick minnow]

yep they do

[lean pebble]

Since when

[thick minnow]

idk

since then?

[lean pebble]

I never saw D-Link network cable

[thick minnow]

hmmm

oki

[lean pebble]

I think you meant that it's came with the router

[thick minnow]

nop

bought seperately

i searched for it

[waxen saddle]

You can actually attach the Ethernet cable plugs yourself. But since you haven’t done it before, might be easier and worthwhile to not bother and just replace the cable

[thick minnow]

oh

how do i know its just the cable?

shud i speedtest with my cat5e cable?

[lean pebble]

You have different cable ?

[thick minnow]

ye

[lean pebble]

If yes connect it instead the used one and speedtest again

[thick minnow]

ok

runnin

nop

not the cable then

its same...

[lean pebble]

What results ?

[lean pebble]

Did you try connect it to different port in the router ?

[thick minnow]

only one ge port

the other is fe....fe gives really good upload

but limited to 95

[lean pebble]

Did you try restarting your pc

[thick minnow]

so i get 95

[thick minnow]

for abt 3 months i did

no use

only time waste lol

[lean pebble]

Upgrading your internet plan will not help

[thick minnow]

oh

crap

wdo i dooo

wdo i doooo

[lean pebble]

It'll stay like this or you gonna get 90 upload

I guess

[thick minnow]

damn

[lean pebble]

How much ports this router have ?

[thick minnow]

2

and 1 for a telephone

so 3

[lean pebble]

Directly connected to the router or you're using extender

[thick minnow]

direct

wasnt allowed to buy extender

[lean pebble]

1 telephone?
Is that ADSL or fiber ?

[thick minnow]

adsl

[lean pebble]

Oh

[thick minnow]

nonnon

its like connected to router

[lean pebble]

I tough fiber 100/100

[thick minnow]

telephone-router

[thick minnow]

luky boi

[lean pebble]

I have 40/3.5Mbps

[thick minnow]

oh

oooh mines worse

100/0

[lean pebble]

Lol

[thick minnow]

lesgo bois we did it

[lean pebble]

It's 4/5MB down and 0.5 upload

Hahaha

[thick minnow]

oh man

we both havin sad uploads

mines sad cus i managed to do 0\

[lean pebble]

Yeah but this is the plan I pay for because the ISPs here sucks

[thick minnow]

o

oh

omgggg its pushing its pushinggg and......

boom

we have da baby

[lean pebble]

Because they're lazy MF and ignoring private houses from fiber even if the fiber behind my house

[thick minnow]

ooof

same here

[lean pebble]

Where you from

[thick minnow]

but they at least respond well to calls so...

india

[lean pebble]

Oh

[thick minnow]

yep

tis ok

but max speeds in india are 1 gbps

that too only 1 isp gives 1gbps

sedlyf

so any idead?

[weak tinsel]

Anyone ever tried Optimum's 1GB network? I currently have a Fios gigabit plan but am switching to optimum cause it cuts my bill in half for the same speeds

[thick minnow]

hm

nop

india hab no optimum

[lean pebble]

India have google fiber

[thick minnow]

wait will it improve if i use 1pv6?

[peak cloak]

yes it's available here, but for me it would suck. Apparently you HAVE to use their router which a NONO for me

[thick minnow]

which?

[peak cloak]

I used optimum cable

[lean pebble]

If I remember correctly

[thick minnow]

huh

[peak cloak]

so we just used the modem

but now atlice ruined everything

with their all in one ONT, ROUTER

and passthough mode apparently doesn't work

soo

[weak tinsel]

Oh ok, cause we hae our own router that I plan to use

[thick minnow]

ok gfibre only north american conteinent

[peak cloak]

I mean you could... but then you would have double-nat which is a big anoyance and have to deal with issues with their router

[weak tinsel]

This is the router that I have currently https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07L56SN8M/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[thick minnow]

HOLY

THATS A BIG ROUTER

[peak cloak]

yeah

kinda cringe

but eh

still better than the optimum one

[weak tinsel]

We need it, my mother is in IT

[peak cloak]

not really

[weak tinsel]

[thick minnow]

ooh niceeeee

[peak cloak]

if you want a pro setup you use a ethernet router, and multiple APs

not that big spiky thing

[weak tinsel]

Exactly she uses ethernet

[thick minnow]

ok im tryin ipv6 rn lets see if itll push for me

[peak cloak]

yeah... and something like this can handle 1gig just fine

that's what I have

[thick minnow]

dont look gamery enuf

but like istg if it fixes my prob ill be damned

[weak tinsel]

ok

[thick minnow]

I CANT LIVE WITH 9MBPS UPLOAD ALL MY LIFE

[weak tinsel]

Hopefully the router will work with optimum, I got it from a friend so I don't wanna drop $$ for a new one

[thick minnow]

luky

9mbps.... :(

[peak cloak]

it will, you will just have double NAT

[weak tinsel]

It had my IP I just realized

[thick minnow]

woah pok

cut the crap i fixed it

[peak cloak]

?

[weak tinsel]

Of my speed test

[peak cloak]

oh

[thick minnow]

we did it bois

we did it

lesgooo

but what happened to download?

hmmmmm......

[weak tinsel]

Noice

[thick minnow]

i had to pick a server that was soo close to me lol

literally just 14 km's away

[peak cloak]

I get 300/300 on fios

[thick minnow]

how to reduce ping?

[weak tinsel]

This is from my computer, I'm probably like 40-50 ft from the router

[peak cloak]

oh

no ethernet

my whole house is wired up

[weak tinsel]

Nahh, the router is in my living room

[peak cloak]

do a traceroute to something like 1.1.1.1

[weak tinsel]

lucky

[peak cloak]

mines in the basement

[thick minnow]

oh ok

and then?

[peak cloak]

and one AP in the middle of the house

[peak cloak]

see where the latency is to

[thick minnow]

ok

after that?

[weak tinsel]

gotcha

[peak cloak]

if the latency to the router is low and all the latency is outside you can't do anything

you can post the result here

[thick minnow]

how do ik latency to router is low?

[peak cloak]

it will show in traceroute

[thick minnow]

ok