networking

[peak cloak]

yeah that's the thing

@leaden quail when directly plugged into the router/modem with a short ethernet cable it's still slow?

[vale reef]

is the cable cat5e or above and is the port on your laptop gigabit, or only fast ethernet (10/100)

[leaden quail]

the majority of the time yeah

[peak cloak]

sounds like ISP issue

[peak cloak]

even if it was only 100Base-T it would cap out at 100, not 40

sounds like something on the ISP end

[vale reef]

i've seen weird stuff happen

worth a check

[leaden quail]

I just tested it again and its about 23Mb/s download

[peak cloak]

see the thing is just plugging in a new router into the modem won't help

[leaden quail]

thanks, I will contact them

[vale reef]

I agree with @peak cloak It is probably an ISP issue

[peak cloak]

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/75371-see-network-adapter-speed-windows-10-a.html

just try this

[vale reef]

but this is worth a shot^^^

[peak cloak]

for a quick sanity check

on the ethernet inferface

[leaden quail]

I dont know if im right but, from my research, I found that if you connect multiple devices on a modem/router combo at the same time, it stresses the device too much, because its doing the modem and router jobs at the same time, so if I got a dedicated router, I would have the possibility to turn of the routing function on my modem, and let the dedicated router do this job, so neither devices are too stressed, its also worth considering that my modem/router combo was last replaced in 2018. Again I dont know if this information is right.

[peak cloak]

it kinda is, but it would have to be a REALLY bad router for it to be stressed with multiple devices doing multiple things

if no other devices are doing anything intensive, you should see full speeds

if you really want to test that you could, by turning off routing on the modem (aka passthough mode) and just hooking up one device via ethernet

[leaden quail]

its a 1Gbps port

[peak cloak]

ah ok, so what that means is that the computer negotiated to 1000Base-T

which means it's not an issue with a cable

[leaden quail]

would 4 computers connected to online meetings be considered intensive?

[peak cloak]

kinda, but again streaming doesn't take up THAT much

I would expect maybe 20mbps less

[leaden quail]

thanks for the help bro

I will contact my ISP to make sure the problem isnt there

[peak cloak]

one more thing to check

in your modem look for line status

looks like this

kinda,

like the names

[leaden quail]

how exactly do I find this panel?

[peak cloak]

depends on modem

[burnt epoch]

My Wake On WAN command in Pulseway doesn't seem to work....are both the port numbers supposed to be 9?
[@ or reply to me so I can the message]

[peak cloak]

pulseway...

no clue

[tame carbon]

nah, just use the app if you aren't savvy

https://mikrotik.com/mobile_app

[grim crow]

for some reason my router is saying that port 80 is taken already up for port forwarding but i have not exposed port 80???????? (correction it says that it is used for internal usage but i want to use it with cloudflare and cloudflare does not take ports)

[peak cloak]

it's not that cloudflare doesn't take ports, dns is over IP not ports

in before the router is exposing it's webpage to wan...

[rocky badge]

if they're talking about cloudflare for websites, you need 80 or 443 open lol

since cloudflare needs to talk to your origin

[peak cloak]

^

[rocky badge]

I hope your router isn't exposing its admin web ui to the internet though lol

[peak cloak]

yeah

[grim crow]

it does not expose the admin panel but i guess the software just makes it unusable so that i can internally use port 80 so i can access the admin gui but i guess its just bad design

[tender hazel]

There might be the option to change the port of the admin GUI

[faint bronze]

Hey, I just found out that I could ssh to 10.45 to get to my machine that is at 10.0.0.45. Is there a name for this? What is the RFC document that describes this format? Does this work on other systems? I know nothing about this besides it worked in my test environment some how.

[peak cloak]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskProgramming/comments/ag5yvb/why_does_pinging_101_work_as_a_shorthand_for_10001/

found this

basically it came from BSD

I actually was wondering that too

[sharp sigil]

I know this might be a bit of a difficult question to answer since it's so specific but.. I was looking at installing DD-WRT on the WRT1900ACS (v2) router I have. It seems every version in recent years are beta versions and they guarantee nothing for stability .. so I was wondering if anyone might know of a known stable build

[tender hazel]

@sharp sigil isn't that a pretty old router?

if so you aren't going to lose much even if the upgrade bricks the device

[sharp sigil]

2015-ish I think

[tender hazel]

yeah, so even if it is wrecked by the upgrade, at least you haven't lost much - you can always replace it with something like a mikrotik hap ac3 which is much better

as long as you have some kind of backup option to get online if you do brick it

ex. using the ISP supplied gateway temporarily

[sharp sigil]

I guess i'll just try the latest one then

[tender hazel]

Those of us who frequent the chat don't usually bother with DD-WRT and Open-WRT - if the router itself is not good enough, getting a better one to begin with is usually advisable rather than trying to flash with a third party firmware. However if you are short on cash and trying to extend the life of the device a bit more, I can see the appeal of flashing it with third party firmware.

unfortunately whenever you look at major router vendors they stop releasing upgrades for their routers after a few years, as they want you to buy a new one

that's why a lot of us get mikrotik instead, we can still upgrade routers that are 10+ years old to the current version and get the modern features

[sharp sigil]

Yeah I guess i'll just look at buying a new one soon and give the upgrade a go for this one

appreciate the reply

[hazy needle]

Hello , does anyone know a way i can force a bandwidth on a device on my internet?i can't find the setting in my router website

[peak cloak]

so limiting a device?

bandwidth control

you can defiantly do it, does your router support it, I doubt it

it may be under QOS

[hazy needle]

yup i want to fully limit one device to give it next to no speed at all if possible

its just hogging all my speed..

i am using the Huawei b535 router

[peak cloak]

I've never messed with qos

[hazy needle]

also not familiar with what that is

[peak cloak]

qos = quality of service

your ISP does it to limit you

[bold karma]

Does the device need to be running?

[tender hazel]

^ yes, QoS is what you are trying to do, even though you do not know the name of it

[hazy needle]

oh i also did try to call them ones to ask them to help me limit a device on my net but they never did anything to help

i just want to like set a cap on one computers internet speed to allow it max of like 14kb's

if that one has low to no speed the person on it will feel less inclined to try watch stuff in hd..

[bold karma]

So your solution is to set them to dial-up speeds

[hazy needle]

my whole internet is at that speed at the moment because that pc is getting all the net priority for some reason

its supposed to split the bandwidth in half for each device on it

[bold karma]

It may be worth running a scan on

It could be infected

[hazy needle]

but that pc is getting alot more speed than me killing my net

how do you mean?

like a virus or something?

[bold karma]

Yes

[hazy needle]

i do keep track of most all my programs running all the time checking if i get dips in network as well

for my internet it is normal to have stupid slow speeds

i just can't afford to have even slower than i already do with the second pc

is why i want to try kill its speed fully so only my pc gets internet

[bold karma]

Then take it off the network completely

[hazy needle]

a more easy solution would just be to go speak to said person and tell them to turn there stuff down but would make me feel rude even though im the only one paying for it

[peak cloak]

who's the other person?

roommate?

[hazy needle]

if i can find a way to kill that speed though i can just say the net is drained you see..

uncle ..

he does not know how internet cap work or understand how much im paying for the stuff

[peak cloak]

internet cap...

[bold karma]

At the end of the day, your internet your rules

[hazy needle]

just spends all day every day watching stuff in 1080p when my net gives out a max speed of 50kb's at a good day

[peak cloak]

tell them to get their own service from ISP

and pay themselves

[hazy needle]

i want to cap it but the only one i see is a data cap that cuts you off at x amount of data used

not a proper cap that sets speed

[peak cloak]

router prob doesn't have it

[hazy needle]

or i just may be missing it as i have no idea where to look

[bold karma]

What ISP is still offering 50kbps service?

[peak cloak]

dialup

prob

[hazy needle]

my package is a 10mb's but it does not really give that

[bold karma]

If it’s only giving 50kb though, your ISP needs to investigate that

[hazy needle]

i will get fiber soon though but till they come install it i still need to be able to use the internet atm i can't even youtube at 160p

my provider really is not going to help

[tender hazel]

mikrotik qos is very powerful

you can do a lot with it

it is possible to give yourself priority and your uncle will only have what is left over

[hazy needle]

they took out my internet lines for over a year and kept telling me they are trying to fix why i have no internet and kept charging me each month for over a year

[bold karma]

Your provider must be AT&T

[hazy needle]

they really are not the kind of provider that helps

[peak cloak]

are you in the US?

[hazy needle]

south africa

[peak cloak]

ah

[hazy needle]

mikrotic qos is a program that will give me higher priority?

[peak cloak]

no

mikrotik is a company

[hazy needle]

oh

[peak cloak]

that makes routers and other network devices

[tender hazel]

mikrotik is a router vendor, they make routers that give very good QoS controls

[hazy needle]

if my router does not support capping someones speed do you know if it will be possible if i run something

[tender hazel]

they can be very helpful for situations where you have less bandwidth than you would like and have to make the most of it

[hazy needle]

that will like cap my speed a program or something

[peak cloak]

no not on your computer

[hazy needle]

to just fully drain my net to 0 for everyone?

[tender hazel]

it is up to the router, that's where the issue is

[hazy needle]

if i can kill the speed for not just me but everyone he will go to sleep too

[tender hazel]

the router is the single controller for bandwidth for everybody

so you are limited to the options that the router provides

[hazy needle]

so even if i kill my speed for him he will still get half a good speed that is split for him?

[bold karma]

the Huawei b535 router is cheap Chinese junk. You definitely want a better router

[tender hazel]

if your router doesn't allow you to apply speed limits for your uncle then you need a different router

[hazy needle]

the reason i picked this router was the provider that sold me the internet said it was the best one as it costed if i convert the currency would be like 400$

you don't think a brute force tactic will work either?

like me running some kind of virus or program on my pc

that will hog up all the internet

by doing that it will drain the net for us both?

even if it kills my net as well while i run it just away to temp make sure he has no net speed so he can go sleep as its like 4am already

[tender hazel]

the b535 is a 4G router - are you actually using cellular internet?

i.e. it isn't DSL or cable or fiber, it is cellular?

[hazy needle]

the one i upgraded to is a cellular sim in the router yup used to have adsl as they said that was my only better one to get higher speed i got it

the adsl one ran fine for me but the provider just took out the cables and left me without internet for over a year without telling me

so really had to swap to this

[tender hazel]

if your internet is 4G you would need a router that supports that

[hazy needle]

they just kept saying they didn't know why no internet there fixing it then after a year they told me no they took out the wires because they no longer support copper

[peak cloak]

doesn't mtik support usb celluar

[hazy needle]

i do have another router as well but its a odd looking one

may be older or worse than this one not sure

it has antenna's nd stuff so may be not as good

[peak cloak]

or you can get a dedicated celluar "modem"

[hazy needle]

i will get fiber installed before the 1'st as well

then i will fully dissconect this package anyway

[hazy needle]

i was just hoping for a way to cap his speed in the meantime so i can have internet

[tender hazel]

you are going to be looking at one of the four devices I have bracketed

and ignoring the one I crossed out

[peak cloak]

ah they have those

[peak cloak]

that's like a field router?

[tender hazel]

yeah you can stick the SIM card in there and it will get online through LTE

[hazy needle]

do you know if fiber when you get it is it also a simcard or something?

[peak cloak]

no

sim is only for celluar

[hazy needle]

brilliant

do you know if my current router would even work with fiber?

[bold karma]

Probably not

[tender hazel]

no, it would not, most likely

[peak cloak]

it can

if it's just a router

it can

[hazy needle]

wonder if they include a router now as well lol never asked

[peak cloak]

however, if it's a combo unit, then prob not

which I think it is

[hazy needle]

i do have a normal router in closet as well from when i used ADSL

[tender hazel]

The Huawei B535 is a 4G router

[peak cloak]

ah

[hazy needle]

mhmm

[tender hazel]

I don't think it has an ethernet WAN port

[robust plinth]

ADSL most likely won't work. It's dsl

[hazy needle]

the round socket hole?

oh wan port i know of it now ^^

it does

this router and the old one i used also have the WAN port

[peak cloak]

this?

[hazy needle]

let me check

it has the lan cable socket that says WAN

does have two like those but not sure if there just antenna sockets

DIV and main

[tender hazel]

1 x LAN/WAN Port (RJ45)

so I guess there is one RJ45 port on the router that you can switch between being a LAN port and being a WAN port

but it is hard to tell how well that actually works

[hazy needle]

yup mine has 4 lan sockets one lan/wan and a telephone one

[tender hazel]

that router is certainly geared towards the SIM card LTE uplink

[hazy needle]

my other router has a few more sockets

DSL WAN lan 1-4 usb and 12vdc

this one does not support sim's though

[bold karma]

In my experience, for home networks a linksys, netgear, or tp-link router is sufficient for most home users. And they range from $20 on up to several hundreds. Depending on what bells and whistles you need/want

[hazy needle]

let me look up really fast on the package i told sister to get us if they include routers or not

[tender hazel]

I wouldn't say those routers are sufficient for most home users - if you like your router to just last a few years before you have to replace it, perhaps

[bold karma]

I’ve had routers last decades

[tender hazel]

but I like my routers to last longer so I don't have to waste a lot of money to replace them with the newer version that the vendor came up with

you had linksys, netgear or tp-link last decades?

[robust plinth]

Why you get switch and use mesh wifi.

Router wifi ranges suck.

[bold karma]

Netgear

[tender hazel]

do they actually still release new firmware after decades?

[robust plinth]

netgear was good, until they sold to China.

[tender hazel]

i.e. in 2021 is netgear still releasing new firmware for devices from 2010?

[robust plinth]

security updates maybe

[bold karma]

Absolutely.

[robust plinth]

I've had tp-link and dlink last for about 5 -8 years

before their mbs where outdated

[hazy needle]

the fiber im getting also includes a router atleast

[bold karma]

There you go. Problem solved

[tender hazel]

can you show me an example of a netgear from 2010 where we still have new firmware upgrades released in the last year or two?

[hazy needle]

i still don't know if they will actually give me the speed it says on the website

as most of the caps happening is in fine print you get after ordering it only they email you it

[robust plinth]

@hazy needle Do you know if your house has a fiber lan going into house or apartment?

[hazy needle]

not yet but they will install it for us

[bold karma]

It’s sitting disconnected 130 miles away now. I just replaced it because I had a newer one fall into my lap.

[peak cloak]

Not really, I see people complain all the time

[robust plinth]

Who the provider ?

[hazy needle]

VUMA

its a uncapped router included , free install

dont know if it will be good or not but willing to test it

[peak cloak]

uncapped service, router doesnt have cap

[hazy needle]

my current package is also uncapped

but it does

[peak cloak]

Weird router

[robust plinth]

yea you shouldn't have problem getting the speeds.

[hazy needle]

its a 10mb uncapped LTE package i have at the moment *

[robust plinth]

unless they throttle you

[hazy needle]

but at first start of month i get 1mb speed for 100 gig data

then 500kb's for 50 gig data

then 50 kb's if lucky for rest of month

[robust plinth]

dang

[hazy needle]

they don't tell you that when you order it though

[robust plinth]

how they get you.

[hazy needle]

asked 100 times do i get limited to any speed or data cap

they say no

its 10mb up and down whole month no caps no limits just that speed

lol

[robust plinth]

My 4G modem gets about 50Mbs

😛

[hazy needle]

the package im getting now is let me do a screenshot

[tender hazel]

the mikrotik routers I linked to before give you lots of capability to do QoS as you want

[hazy needle]

i wouldn't mind sharing my net with uncle but he does not pay for it

so i don't like if i cant do anything that he can youtube and netflix all day

even at 4am still on the thing and i can't do anything even though i payed over 300$ two days ago for this net

[peak cloak]

fiber to the home
Only 10/10

[tender hazel]

with mikrotik you can limit your uncle to certain speeds easily

[bold karma]

Seems kinda slow for fiber

[hazy needle]

i never had fiber before but have had alot of providers the last few months

just hoping this ones not capped too

[tender hazel]

that is very slow for fiber

[robust plinth]

its mostly dsl to fiber.

[bold karma]

But then again geography plays a factor

[hazy needle]

10mb is the lowest package they have for fiber

[robust plinth]

Fiber hub to dsl to house / apartment

[tender hazel]

that would be fiber to the node

[peak cloak]

Fiber as a medium is fast, I bet the isp infa just can't handle it

[tender hazel]

rather than fiber to the home

[hazy needle]

i don't want to buy a higher speed than 10mb's up and down before i see if i can actually get that speed or if its another scam

[tender hazel]

fiber to the node means fiber to some point that is fairly close to you

and DSL or cable or whatever to the node point

[robust plinth]

^

AT&T does this in US alot

[hazy needle]

also if i really do get 10mb's up and down the whole month i won't need higher speed^^

[peak cloak]

Everyone does it

[robust plinth]

they sell you on Fiber connection, but its DSL to the node

[peak cloak]

Ah

But all connections are fiber

At some point

[bold karma]

Don’t get me started on AT&T

[robust plinth]

lol

[hazy needle]

i already am able to stream when i get 1mb''s so can only imagine 10 would be op

[peak cloak]

Me with 300/300...

[hazy needle]

lol

think of it this way

i used to play rust at 6fps

played that for years

got really used to it even got kills^^

[tender hazel]

I feel lucky to have 300/100 here, but 300/300 would be nice

[peak cloak]

Yeah it get it

[hazy needle]

before i upgraded pc i didn't know better lol

[bold karma]

I’m on a 200/30 connection and it is sufficient for my household

[peak cloak]

Like hdd to ssd

[hazy needle]

so for me 10mb's will be godlike^^

[peak cloak]

Yeah, 300/300 is the lowest plan

No need for gigabit

[hazy needle]

lol

i want to move to a place where 300/300 is a thing

wow the company im ordering from

actually has a package 1000/100

[bold karma]

I use to have 1000/30 but decided to let the residential line go to the wayside in favor of a a business connection for the sake of static IPs

[peak cloak]

Yeah

Ipv6 tho

Verizon... Plz

[hazy needle]

this 1000/100 package is actually almost same price as my current internet..

my current cost me 899pm

of my money*

the 1000/100 cost 1499

[peak cloak]

Doesn't africa still have free v4s

[hazy needle]

v4s?

[peak cloak]

Ipv4s addresses

[hazy needle]

not sure what do those do^^

[peak cloak]

Ip addresses, not really relevant to you

[hazy needle]

104 usd for the 1000/100 fiber package

[tender hazel]

AFRINIC is the only RIR that still has IPv4 blocks available I believe

[hazy needle]

i can change my ip adress in that pv4 thing yup

don't really know much about that stuff other than i used to use it when lan gaming stuffs with friends

[peak cloak]

Yeah didn't crystal say his friend in africa had like a whole lot of v4s

[tender hazel]

yeah

but that will only last a bit longer for the friend

everybody needs to get on IPv6

like, now

or sooner than now, if possible

[hazy needle]

how much do you guys pay for internet over seas?

curious if 104 is alot for that 1gig download / 100mb upload

[tender hazel]

I pay $100 canadian dollars per month for 300/100

[hazy needle]

canadian is close to usd i believe?

[bold karma]

Gig speed here ran me around $250 a month

[hazy needle]

so 104 is not alot at all

[tender hazel]

100 CAD is about 80 USD

[hazy needle]

i see it even includes a xbox x lol

wonder if people still play on those game consols

[tender hazel]

so for us it is $80 USD for 300/100

[hazy needle]

104 a month for 1000 / 100 fiber with free xbox x lol

[peak cloak]

I think we pay like 50 bucks a month for 300/300

[hazy needle]

if this 10 up and down package really does give me 10 up and down i will upgrade then as well to this high speed

[obtuse cove]

that's cheap

[hazy needle]

just dont want to pay 100$ a month if they only give me like 4mb's real speed

[peak cloak]

Its 100 here for 1000/1000

[lean pebble]

35$ 40/0.4

[tender hazel]

if it is actual fiber it won't be 4Mbps real speed

[peak cloak]

I usually get 350 uploads tho

[bold karma]

Keep in mind you won’t get a full 10 down or up due to overhead

[hazy needle]

you think fiber is not like the ones i have been using where its secretly low speed?

[bold karma]

But you should get damn close

[peak cloak]

I mean it could be bottlenecked by the isp core infa?

But not by the fiber itself like dsl is

[hazy needle]

if i can get atleast 1mb up and down

the whole month*

that would be good already

[tender hazel]

If they are advertising 1000/100 and it is that bottlenecked to get only 4Mbps? I would think other customers would have found that out already and complained

[peak cloak]

Yeah true

[obtuse cove]

300/30 with 400$ month

[tender hazel]

and I mean I can understand ISP core bottlenecks, we suffer those ourselves

[obtuse cove]

go top that with this ueslees junk isp we have

[tender hazel]

especially since COVID our network has been struggling with the increased load

[hazy needle]

i never tried fiber yet true but like with my current ISP people complain but can't do anything about it because they are the only normal provider

[bold karma]

I’d expect 8 or 9 actual speed on a 10/10 if the equipment is any good.

[tender hazel]

but we have customers complaining that they can only sometimes get 75% of the speed package they are buying

instead of 100%

[hazy needle]

8 or 9 would be brilliant

at the moment i get less than 1% of what i bought

[peak cloak]

Wifi issues most of the time?

[obtuse cove]

its more like 6-7 with the overhead and if its a hard line it will be worse

[tender hazel]

no, in our case it is due to the upstream, where we are getting 1Gbps to the location and they are maxing that out

[obtuse cove]

test with an ethernet

[peak cloak]

Ah

[tender hazel]

we can't upgrade beyond 1Gbps because in our case the upstream has a stop sell order for past year and a half

[lean pebble]

I wish I had 100/100 or 300/300 🙄

[hazy needle]

i don't run my net trough wifi i use the lan cable to my pc from the router at full signal

[tender hazel]

so even though we have the money and we can say upgrade us to 2Gbps

so that our customers can get faster internet

they can't, because of a stop sell order

super annoying

[hazy needle]

i just really hope fiber is as good as people say and that it really does get close to the speed advertised

[bold karma]

I was pulling 960 down back when I had gig

[obtuse cove]

"you don't need more than 50/10 if you are not a business ) that's my ISP saying

[hazy needle]

i just want atleast 1mb up down whole month so i can stream whenever i want

[lean pebble]

Lol I'm on ADSL with 40/0.4

[obtuse cove]

fiber is good but if your ISP sucks so hard that will be a bigger issue

[hazy needle]

the provider i am moving to now i never tried yet also its fiber not LTE or ADSL like i used in the past

so i am hoping its better

tried all other providers by me other than this one

[lean pebble]

I have 3 ISPs with fiber behind my house garden but they won't connect us because we're living in private house

[hazy needle]

i also had lots of trouble with that

staying in flats^^

getting permission is so so hard

[obtuse cove]

don't go with a contract just test it with one month if its any good go with a 12 month contract that will lower your price for a bit (or that's in my place)

[lean pebble]

I can put my own fiber but they don't want to let me do it

[hazy needle]

the only packages that is not month to month with this provider i see is ones that include a free x box

all others is month to month

[obtuse cove]

if its not on a street i suggest that you run an Ethernet to your house from them

[hazy needle]

the ones that include the xbox s and xbox x whatever those are is 24 months ones

[bold karma]

The contract may be also called a service agreement

[peak cloak]

Nah, a fiber cable

[hazy needle]

that is also one of the main reasons i am buying the cheapest package they have

[obtuse cove]

you buy for the internet and idk for electricity and then get your cable to your house

[hazy needle]

so i can test it first

[bold karma]

They use many names to try and fool you into thinking there’s no contract

[obtuse cove]

yeah i know

i was in that Delma for years

[hazy needle]

this is how they list there's anyway

[lean pebble]

Here the internet infrastructures sucks they keep saying it's not worth to connect private houses to their fiber crap

[hazy needle]

ones says 24months in the name others only show month to month payment term

one also says rent other is order now

[obtuse cove]

isn't always the isp infrastructures sucks

[hazy needle]

will see the first month how it runs anyway if its another scam i can just cancel the package

[peak cloak]

No

[lean pebble]

Especially here in Israel.

[bold karma]

Ok I have to bow out for some shuteye. Gotta work tomorrow

[hazy needle]

same

sweet dreams Hexi

[lean pebble]

I can declare my house as business but then I'll need to pay 350$ a month for 10/10

[bold karma]

You too

[lean pebble]

Good night hexi

[obtuse cove]

what do you mean no every time i connect them about a network down or any other shit in the network they say turn it off and then back on they don't say if i have a shard line or anything or there equipment sucks so hard even tho i buy this high prices

[bold karma]

Good night

[obtuse cove]

man even in saudi arabia

[peak cloak]

Not for me

[lean pebble]

I'm waiting near to 13 years to 100/5

[obtuse cove]

some places don't even have dls or even power so nothing to top this off

[peak cloak]

Internet is reliable

As long as there isn't a storm where trees fall on lines or something or power goes out for the same reason

Haven't had that happen though really like for the past 3 years

[lean pebble]

They keep say I can upgrade and I need to call to the customer service for upgrading it, then I call the customer service and they say I can't upgrade to 100/5

Every year same crap

[obtuse cove]

LOL that's the biggest lie i get reliable every half an hour internet from 300/30 to 10/1 restart nothing i have to call them every half an hour

[peak cloak]

I'm talking about my isp...

Ive had no issues

[obtuse cove]

some isps are good but others are im sorry to say dogcrap

[lean pebble]

I had to download files over lte because my internet crashed so hard everytime I downloaded something

[peak cloak]

I have verizon fios

[obtuse cove]

man even lte is trash

[peak cloak]

Fiber

[lean pebble]

Was faster then my ADSL

Until they killed it to

[obtuse cove]

yeah but only in the morning after that thank god if you got faster than 50kb/s

[lean pebble]

I used to have 300/300 over lte

Now 25/5

Max

[lean pebble]

I wish I had fiber

[obtuse cove]

man thank god for 5g other ways i think i will move out

[lean pebble]

This bastards connect only buildings to fiber

[peak cloak]

5g isn't even that good for internet, fiber is better

[obtuse cove]

yeah but different isps different minds

[peak cloak]

Unless you have that millimeter wave 5g where it's range and penetration sucks

But fast

[obtuse cove]

the bad thing that they don't have fiber to my house or there 5g is op

[lean pebble]

I would like to connect to the fiber from the building that next to me but can't

I have 300 meters from house a building that connected to fiber.

[obtuse cove]

https://prnt.sc/124e6jc that's 5g for you in the house

the upload sucks but its what its (i was thinking for 1gb both ways but its wayyy better than what i got)

[obtuse cove]

300 meters that's not far

[tender hazel]

distance doesn't always matter

you can be close to a building that is connected to fiber but it could be super expensive to get your building connected

[obtuse cove]

lol expensive like i will never pay for the service im paying just like them

[thorny vector]

@tender hazel Not for a conniving McGuyver 😄

[tender hazel]

we have had cases where we were able to get fiber into a building for cheap (like only a few thousand) because we were able to pay at the right time

whereas if we had waited

$20k charge

[obtuse cove]

you are telling me that isps lose money how what is happening in the world

man for that 20k charge you can get if everyone got your mid or low plan (lets say 50$) multiply that 50$ with the number of house you can get mannnny more than that each month not like one payment

[hollow marlin]

@obtuse cove digging, marking, permits, risk, licensing and labor is why it cost so much. People who complain about cost have not seen what it cost to run an ISP. The return for an entire neighborhood is not seen for 5 years at minimum

[thorny vector]

@hollow marlin This is why we should all just use sneakernet

[crude scroll]

Anyone here have experience with TP-Link mesh routers?

[still karma]

How do I get into my router's settings?

I'm using a Asus RT-AC51U+

[dark crow]

anybody familiar with port forwarding

im trying to port forward my minecraft server but i have a TP-Link router

[dark crow]

usually you just type in an ip address in your browser

but that depends

[thick minnow]

USually it's 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1

[still karma]

Doesn't work for me

[dark crow]

yeah

[thick minnow]

Wait, Asus uses a domain

[still karma]

It shows me this

Normally there's an asus logo right

[still karma]

I think so too

[thick minnow]

That is your router

But it might be ISPs logo

[worn igloo]

whays a good like earhernet hub so I can use more eathernet cords in a different room

[still karma]

But last time when I checked it was a asus logo tho

It wasn't like this

[dark crow]

any help?

i dont have the Port forwarding setting in my router but i have "Virtual servers" and "Port triggering"

[kindred acorn]

I know im copying and pasting, but i just want to know if i can speed it up either by control panel or if i have to call my servicd

Sorry if you guys get this a lot. But my download speed should be at 500mbps yet is getting 380mbps while my upload is getting over 500 mbps. Its supposed to be 500mbps both ways, so is it possible to fix that? Im also using ethernet for the connection

[worn igloo]

should I get a switch or hub ?

[robust plinth]

TP - Link calls their forwarding Virtual servers

[dark crow]

oh ok

i tried it but i think i may have the wrong settings

[robust plinth]

did you apply settings / restart the router?

[dark crow]

i dont have an apply button

and i didnt restart my router

[robust plinth]

hmm maybe it auto applys, but yea restart router sometime helps it.

[dark crow]

can you check my settings

[robust plinth]

sure 😄

[dark crow]

i've been trying for about 2 weeks now

i hope i dont have to switch routers to different manufacturers

[dark crow]

these are supposed to be the settings for minecrafts ports

[robust plinth]

that right, the way you have it.

Some routers have a pre-made port for minecraft some don't

[dark crow]

in "Port triggering it has already made settings for battle.net etc

but not minecraft

so just a restart should do?

@robust plinth

but i dont know if it does what port forwarding does

[robust plinth]

Yeah, sometime a restar of it help router find new settings.

[dark crow]

ok i'll try it out and update you

[dark crow]

@robust plinth it didnt work

when i enter minecraft and put my public ip it fails but when i join with my local ip it works

[robust plinth]

That how you join if your host

Local, I don’t think IP address works for you.

[dark crow]

so my friends join with my public address

[robust plinth]

I haven’t setup Minecraft sever in forever, but you can try your IP address plus :25565 “192.168.1.1:25565”

[dark crow]

but i join with my local

so "Public IP adrdress:25565

[robust plinth]

Yeah, sometime they have have use :25565 plus your public ip

Yup

[dark crow]

i see

i'll tell my friend to join

[robust plinth]

If they can’t, it might be Windows firewall blocking the outbound / port

[dark crow]

so i should disable my firewall

or do forwarding if that exists for the firewall

[robust plinth]

No, you can add a new rule to it, allowing that port forwarding

[dark crow]

oh i remember i already did that

[robust plinth]

Ah, should work then xD

[dark crow]

its not working

for my friend

[thick minnow]

Is the ip address satatic?

or dynamic?

I have no idea but just curious

[dark crow]

what does that mean

[thick minnow]

As in, does the ip address change or not?

[dark crow]

i've heard once that static ip address change

[dark crow]

im not sure

i have a dynamic ip

in cmd it says DHCP Yes

[dark crow]

its not working

i tried a Portforward checker

it says that it failed

[robust plinth]

Did it say not open?

[dark crow]

it says its closed

[robust plinth]

Assuming your 192.168.1.100 right?

[dark crow]

yeah my pc's ipv4

[robust plinth]

Go back to firewall “Create a rule in Advanced Firewall on Windows to allow any incoming connections through UDP or TCP ports 25564 - 25566.”

Also allow Java through firewall as well

[dark crow]

is it an inbound or outbound rule

[robust plinth]

Inbound

Inbound would be someone trying get to you

[dark crow]

java was disabled

or set to private

[robust plinth]

Yeah make sure Java is allowed

Also do you have antivirus?

[dark crow]

its set to private

[dark crow]

no just windows defender

[robust plinth]

Okay

[dark crow]

actually it was disabled in properties i just checked and i set it to Allow the connection

[robust plinth]

Okay, allow it then maybe restart the pc, then see if they can join xD

Or you can check port forwarding site again

[dark crow]

got it

im gonna restart my pc now

[robust plinth]

Okay

[dark crow]

its still saying the same thing

port closed on "||Public ip address||"

[robust plinth]

Hmm

Everything is set up right, from port on router to firewall settings

[dark crow]

yeah its quite wierd

[robust plinth]

Who the isp?

[dark crow]

you probably dont know the isp

[tame carbon]

@dark crow did you apply a port forward?

[dark crow]

its called STC

[dark crow]

there isnt a apply button

its just save

and it shows up in a list

[tame carbon]

okay

[dark crow]

@robust plinth

[tame carbon]

so assuming you did that right, are you sure you aren't on a CG-NAT network?

[dark crow]

whats a CG_nat netowork

[tame carbon]

means you don't have your own public IP

and its shared with other subscribers of your ISP

You cannot host services behind a CG-NAT

but you can figure this out relatively easy

you can tell by the public IP that your router reports

[dark crow]

oho ok

[tame carbon]

if its a 172.16.0.0/16

or 10.0.0.0/8

then its almost certainly NAT

[thick minnow]

You in the middle east?

[dark crow]

yeah

[dark crow]

so if my public ip is that

[tame carbon]

@dark crow you can also do a traceroute

that shows the path your data takes through the ISP network

[dark crow]

how do i do a traceroute

[tame carbon]

what OS are you on right now? windows?

[dark crow]

also sorry im a beginner when it comes to networking so this is all new to me

[dark crow]

yeah

[tame carbon]

open command prompt

and run: tracert 1.1.1.1

first entry in that result is your own router

then the upstream router, and so on

[dark crow]

yeah i got that

which one is the one i need?

[tame carbon]

do you have a screenshot?

There's no sensitive info in this

[dark crow]

ok

[tame carbon]

since it only shows addresses of your ISP

yep. NAT.

you cannot port forward.

[dark crow]

damn

i forgot you cant swear in LTT

[tame carbon]

@dark crow I would explain NAT to you, but I found this recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01ajHxPLxAw

Does a decent job at explaining what it is

and why it sucks

[dark crow]

i see

i'll watch it in a bit

so i cant do anything about it with having NAT

[tame carbon]

but I'll give you the gist

there's a translator, a NAT, in your ISP network

it basically translates traffic between a public network space, and a private network space

your home router, also uses NAT

so all your phones and laptops share your public IP

the translator makes sure that traffic that comes in, is forwarded to the right device locally

but for port forwarding, you are creating a static rule, that says: all traffic destined to port 25565 goes to this <LAN IP>

But the problem with CG-NAT, is that it is basically the same mechanism, but running on your ISP network

and you have no control over this.

[dark crow]

i see

[tame carbon]

so you can only establish connections to the internet

but not listen for incoming connections

[dark crow]

so bascially CG-Nat shares IP killing the point of having a specifc ip address for port forwarding

[tame carbon]

listening, would require port forwarding

@dark crow yeah the problem is that the IPv4 address space is too small

we've run out of IP addresses

a long time ago

so by using NAT, we can kind of re-use certain parts of the address space

10.0.0.0/8
192.168.0.0/16
172.16.0.0/16

are those ranges ^ that can be reused, and are not publicly routed on the internet

[dark crow]

i see

[tame carbon]

But NAT is 'stateful'

it means, only translator itself, knowns where packets have to go

It just breaks a fundamental principle of the internet

namely: the end to end principle

@dark crow mobile phone networks are often NAT too

But there is a solution..

Its called IPv6.

@dark crow to give you an idea of scale

IPv4 is 32 bit, so you have 2^32 adddresses: 4,294,967,296

[dark crow]

i see so i cant use my phone either

[tame carbon]

IPv6 is 128 bits

so 2^128 = 340,282,366,920,938,463,463,374,607,431,768,211,456

that's a lot more :)

@dark crow yeah, the tl;dr is that your ISP is trash.

[dark crow]

yeah i already knew that along time ago

when they started giving us slow speeds

[tame carbon]

IPv4 is being phased out, veeeery slowly

IPv6 is what we all should be using

@dark crow perhaps your ISP has ipv6 service

and if not, you could use tunnelbroker

[dark crow]

but wont that stop me from making the minecraft server after all?

[tame carbon]

If your friends have ipv6 too, they will be able to connect over that

[dark crow]

because minecraft server properties take a IPv4 Address

[tame carbon]

nah, it can do ipv6 too

[dark crow]

oh

im not sure if they have ipv6 actually

[tame carbon]

I dont get IPv6 from my ISP either, because they are lazy fucks

They should be giving me IPv6.

@dark crow another solution would be using some kind of VPN

but that would require your friends to be on that VPN as well

[dark crow]

damn so we got lazy isps lol

[tame carbon]

My ISP is actually pretty good, its just that they don't do v6 yet

I have like 8 IPv4 addresses >_>

I'm not complaining 🤣

[dark crow]

oh ok

[thick minnow]

Well, seems like cloud hosting is the only way for you

[tame carbon]

^

yeah

[dark crow]

i should be getting a better solution later this year

[tame carbon]

if you rent a server in the cloud, you get a public v4 with it

@dark crow ISPs usually have a /19 or /22 range, with couple thousand addresses

if its a new ISP, they got the short end of the stick

and only got a couple addresses

so they use CG-NAT to share their limited pool of addresses

Some US univerisities sit on /8's xD

those are enormous blocks

[dark crow]

damn

[tame carbon]

@dark crow and US military

has dozens of /8's

[dark crow]

damn 2

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/TJgcJb6.png

@dark crow big tech also has a lot of addresses

Google, microsoft, facebook, apple, all have big blocks

even US postal service has a /8 xD

[dark crow]

damn3

[lean pebble]

😂

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble I bet, its so they can send e-mail

[lean pebble]

I think that's for this service to

Because they get into spam everytime

I bet They use private mail service not gsuite / office 365 and etc

[tame carbon]

lot of these allocations are historic

[lean pebble]

I want /8 to but without paying

Can I get it ?

[tame carbon]

IANA is no longer giving out v4

because v4 is legacy

[lean pebble]

Vpn / static home IP / servers

[lean pebble]

Ya ipv4 is gone no more blocks

[tame carbon]

I hope my /29 survives for a while

[lean pebble]

They should take some /19 from the private ranges

10.190.1.0/20

[tame carbon]

nah

people have to start using IPv6

[lean pebble]

Tell that to the ISPs and governments

[tame carbon]

@dark crow https://ipv6bingo.com/

[lean pebble]

Here they can implement ipv6 in half year but they're lazy af

It's only turn the ipv6 protocol on for everyone.
I don't know why the hell they don't do it

[dark crow]

i'll check it out in bit

[tame carbon]

its just a meme site

with a collection of lame excuses given over the years

[lean pebble]

2 ISPs here already providing ipv6 here in Israel but the rest just being lazy and giving excuses

We can't give you "static IP address" and enable ipv6 for you.

It's or ipv6 with dynamic ipv4 or static ipv4 without ipv6

The stupidest excuse I have ever heard

Wondering how much it'll cost to buy ipv6 block and use it for my own network

Publish it and use it as external ipv6 to

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble you can get a /48 from HE pretty easily

[lean pebble]

Yeah I have but ping like hell

Even that my ISP connected to london / frankfort and now to paris with fiber but it's not helping me at all because I'm not paying as business 😂

I'm talking about getting /48 by myself now from he and advertise it it from a datacenter here in Israel for my private use

[dark crow]

@tame carbon if i use a vpn how would i configure my settings

because im not sure if other ISP's in my countries can supply non CG-Nat networks

[dark crow]

@tame carbon i've once tried ngrok with using a single player map and "Open to lan" that worked fine

what does ngrok do

[tame carbon]

@dark crow cloud proxy service

ngrok connects to the cloud

and exposes a port over there

then tunnels is back to your client

[thick minnow]

how can I install the ssl certificate from my truenas into my browser so that it stops coming up with the warning? I see options to import certificates, I've tried putting it in the root certificate store and the "personal" tab on windows, closed and reopened edge, but the warning is still coming up

[dark crow]

so can i use it with the server

[tame carbon]

@dark crow there's multiple ways you can do this, I've never used ngrok

[dark crow]

for my i have to give it the port

[tame carbon]

Another way would be using a cheap VPS in the cloud

and setting up a wireguard vpn tunnel

[dark crow]

but wierdly it just works with minecrafts random port generator in open to lan not the default port

[tall pagoda]

😡

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/IW1pa05.png

[low pond]

Erm....

[lean pebble]

Cheap certificate 😂

Oh wait it's 1.5454,83 really cheap 😆

It's actually close to 2 euro

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble upon further inspection

its a 5 day training course

[lean pebble]

For 2 euro? 😱 I'm taking now

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble wat

Pretty sure that reads as 1545 euros

[dark crow]

yeah

lol

[peak cloak]

yeah, you guys use . for , and , for .

[dark crow]

they would say 1.5 if its 2 euro

[lean pebble]

It's 1.545 not 1,545

[peak cloak]

so it's 1,545.81?

[lean pebble]

😂

[tame carbon]

yes

the . is a thousand seperator

[dark crow]

i think its 1,5k euro

can you copy and paste it in xe.com

[lean pebble]

Well here this is "," thousand separator

[tame carbon]

Its just german locale

[lean pebble]

Haha

[tame carbon]

they use 1.000,10 notation

[peak cloak]

same

[lean pebble]

They need to make it global that's annoying that in every part of the world they use something else for thousand separator

[lean pebble]

Yeah we use the american separators 😅

[tame carbon]

americans still use imperial crap

freedom units

[lean pebble]

Thats true

We use kg, gram here instead of lbs.
What countries uses lbs ? 🤔

[peak cloak]

us

[tame carbon]

US

and like one or two other smaller countries

[dark crow]

yeah

[tame carbon]

that's it

SI units are the only way

they are derived from natural constants

[lean pebble]

I hate it.
I feel fat there 132 pounds :joy:

[dark crow]

same

[lean pebble]

Well every country have her shit units.

[dark crow]

120pounds i feel like a discord mod

[lean pebble]

Lol

[peak cloak]

I mean tbh, lots of people here know both, but just have more experience with freedom units

[tame carbon]

Yeah but there's no good excuse I've heard to use them lol

everyone just says It feels more natural to use, because it is a "human" scale

which makes no sense

[dark crow]

its just them trying to segregate

[peak cloak]

just more natural because everyone knows them

[dark crow]

dammit i always have a hard time spelling this one

[peak cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-young-question-marks-what-excuse-me-huh-gif-4486363

[dark crow]

if you think about it yeah

[lean pebble]

I think I found why all over the world girls feel fat all the time...
They are checking in lbs instead in kg 😂

[dark crow]

lmao

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak so cheap lmao https://i.imgur.com/804xexM.png

[dark crow]

thats why they say america has an obesity problem

i guess pounds make you insecure lmao

[tame carbon]

I've been to the US many times

[peak cloak]

it's the portions

[dark crow]

damn

[peak cloak]

so big at a resturant

I don't each that much normally

[tame carbon]

and all the food they serve is full of grease, and huge portions

[lean pebble]

It's mcdonald's fault

[tame carbon]

no, its pretty much every fast food joint there is

[peak cloak]

mcdonald's is bad

idk anyone who actually eats it

[dark crow]

yeah the mcdonalds large juice is my literal week supply for water lmao

[lean pebble]

I stopped eat in mcdonald's at the age 12

[tame carbon]

I actually had mcdonalds yesterday

but that was first time this year lol

[lean pebble]

13 years past since I decided stop eating this shit

[peak cloak]

if you want some good fast-food, chipotle, chick-fil-a

[lean pebble]

KFC

[tame carbon]

KFC

[dark crow]

mcdonalds doesnt even taste nice

[peak cloak]

KFC?

kfc is bad

[dark crow]

no no NO NO NO

[tame carbon]

no

[peak cloak]

yes

[dark crow]

last time i had kfc

one word to describe it
diarrhea... and alot of it

[lean pebble]

I ate kfc only while traveling out of my country.
Because we don't have it here.

[tame carbon]

lol wuss

Best fast food is still Doner Kebab

[lean pebble]

Our regional government part closed them because it's not kosher food...

[tame carbon]

made with fresh ingredients

[lean pebble]

They claimed they make it with pork oil

[dark crow]

i see

[tame carbon]

@dark crow Kebab stores in netherlands have their own unique specialty

[peak cloak]

best fast-food is usually local

[dark crow]

kosher kebab wtf???

[tame carbon]

offtopic AF.

[lean pebble]

But dominos pizza it's ok

[peak cloak]

it's not...

[tame carbon]

@dark crow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapsalon

[lean pebble]

It's part of networking

[dark crow]

nah bro come over here imma make you eat the best kebab you've ever eaten

[tame carbon]

Fastfood keeps the brain going

I know

[dark crow]

exactly

[lean pebble]

Fast food networking

[tame carbon]

French fries, meat, cheese melted ontop, and then veggies and such

[peak cloak]

NYC style pizza is the best, here in NJ thre are pizza places everywhere, actually like a block away from my house

[dark crow]

nobody wants support so its bascially just general

[waxen saddle]

KFC or Kebab?

[lean pebble]

KFC

[waxen saddle]

Well bummer

[tame carbon]

Okay back to netwrking

[lean pebble]

I think they should close mcdonald's network

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak first rough sketch :https://i.imgur.com/jG3a7dp.png

[dark crow]

yeahh

[lean pebble]

Here wee are talking on networking

[dark crow]

even the owner doesnt eat it

[lean pebble]

😂

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak all of it mikrotik xD

[lean pebble]

I wish I had a good network

[waxen saddle]

How is yours not great?

[thick minnow]

Et moi, mon ami, et moi

[lean pebble]

What

[lean pebble]

Just bad internet infrastructure

[thick minnow]

And me, my friend, and me

[lean pebble]

Lol

How are you doing today?

[dark crow]

@thick minnow

[thick minnow]

Yea?

[thick minnow]

Fine

[slate sonnet]

Hey guys, I need help figuring out why I can't ping my pc from my vps using my wireguard tunnel. I used to be able to ping it from the vps, and vice versa, ping the vps from my pc, but now I can only ping my vps, not ping my pc from my vps

Literally the only thing that I changed was I installed zerotier in the process of making a tutorial, deleted it after

And now I'm stuck

Can't ping my pc from vps

Can ping my vps from my pc

Nevermind, a pc restart somehow fixed it

[slate sonnet]

Actually no, didn't fix it

Pinged the wrong thing

[copper rover]

I love VMWare functionality. I hate the plethora of software bugs in their code however.

[tame carbon]

@copper rover for simple vm stuff I started using https://virt-manager.org/

[copper rover]

That's just a manager for existing ESXi and vCenter cluster / MS HyperV? or is that also the hypervisor?

[tame carbon]

That's a frontend for KVM/QEMU

[copper rover]

Ahh ok

Yeah, I'm having to work in VMWare due to production system for a client

But holy shit does it have bugs

[peak cloak]

I use proxmox which is basically a whole system built on top of KVM/QEMU

[lean pebble]

I use it to on my main pc

Easy to use

[eternal sage]

Is Wifi mesh help reduce latency if I in rural where internet speed bad?

[peak cloak]

no if your internet is bad via ethernet, wifi won't make it any better

[slate sonnet]

Could someone possibly help me with this?

[low pond]

How is the VPS 10.0.02?

it has to be an public IP

[slate sonnet]

Because it's a wireguard tunnel

That ping is to show that I have a tunnel setup

But I can only ping one way

So from my pc to my vps

Not from my vps to my pc

But I used to be able to ping both ways fine

And idk what to try to fix this

[peak cloak]

no, it can be 10.0.0.2, the vps can have multiple interfaces

and that's the ip on the wireguard interface

[slate sonnet]

Goddamn zerotier broke everything lol

[peak cloak]

probobly some route?

[slate sonnet]

I don't know

I uninstalled it, so technically everything is back to normal

Except I can't ping my pc from my vps now

:/

Idk how it's possible for me to be able to ping my vps, but not the other way around

[peak cloak]

it is possible

bad routes

[slate sonnet]

How would I check?

[peak cloak]

ip route?

[slate sonnet]

so ip route 10.0.0.2?

[peak cloak]

no

just show output of ip route

[slate sonnet]

Okay

On my vps, I'm assuming?

[peak cloak]

yep

but wait, no because ICMP is 2 way

hmm

try it anyway

route seem fine

firewall prob on windows @slate sonnet

I would also delete that image

shows public ip

[slate sonnet]

Well the ip is public anyway

[slate sonnet]

Inbound rules, right?

Check if wireguard port isn't being blocked?

[peak cloak]

yeah, windows blocks ping by default

[slate sonnet]

But I never had that issue before, weird

[peak cloak]

Search for Windows Firewall, and click to open it.
Click Advanced Settings on the left.
From the left pane of the resulting window, click Inbound Rules.
In the right pane, find the rules titled File and Printer Sharing (Echo Request - ICMPv4-In).
Right-click each rule and choose Enable Rule.

https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/allow-pings-icmp-echo-request-through-your-windows-vista-firewall/

@slate sonnet also what's the exact message you get when pi ng fails

timed out?

[slate sonnet]

I just press ctrl+c to cancel

[peak cloak]

ah

[slate sonnet]

When I see that it doesn't get a reply

Woah

That fixed it

Also wtf

My ping halved

[peak cloak]

so it was windows firewall?

[slate sonnet]

yes

It was

Guess zerotier changed that

Maybe

Thank you for helping out

[peak cloak]

np

[lean pebble]

What Linux distro do you guys suggest for desktop environment for a friend that want to switch from windows 10 to Linux.

[peak cloak]

popos?

[lean pebble]

Fedora will be very complicated for him.

[lean pebble]

This is good ?

Never used it

[peak cloak]

yeah

it's ubuntu

but system76 really modded it

the desktop enviroment is gnome, but very polished

[lean pebble]

Does popos have kde ?

[peak cloak]

it's ubuntu

you can install kde

but not reccomended

I did that actually

but all of the benifits of pop are from gnome

[lean pebble]

Oh

That kinda sucks

So all the other desktop options are not recommended.
Good 2 know

[peak cloak]

wdym?

[lean pebble]

Kde ,lxde and etc

Only gnome is the best option for popos

[peak cloak]

those are good, just not as polished as system76's popos

[lean pebble]

Oh ok

[peak cloak]

for a beginner popos makes lots of things ez

[lean pebble]

Ok good to know

Thanks I'll tell him

I remember I looked on it before I installed my fedora kde

[thick minnow]

They're switching to COSMIC in the next release right?

[peak cloak]

idk

havn't been paying attention

I use kde neon