#networking | Linus Tech Tips | Page 332

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 10:09 AM

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But they wanted another piece in exchange

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I think reliance on proprietary is stupid anyways.

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For communication

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All the airspace should have transports standardized

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and if they want something extra, then add it to the standard

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:10 AM

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the allocation chart is work in progress basically

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 10:10 AM

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Instead of literally showing your ass as static to everythign

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:11 AM

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and its just difficult to reallocate everything

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 10:11 AM

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they have the authority to do it

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:11 AM

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KEKW

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no they don't

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 10:11 AM

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I mean... IPv4... Force revoking to push change

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:11 AM

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Yeah but that' don't work on public broadcasting

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 10:12 AM

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AT&T is betting on their legacy infra holding out while they deploy their entire new Open Source infra

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:12 AM

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can't exepect everyone to switch their transmitters over night

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 10:12 AM

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So... changing everything

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:12 AM

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chips can only do 1 frequency

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you'll get angry mob of technicians at your door

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 10:12 AM

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RTL-SDR

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:12 AM

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if you want to reallocate everything

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 10:12 AM

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More like their filters are set to one frequency

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but drum filters are expensive

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Everything is SDN now on those towers

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They can overnight change the transmitter target

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and the antennas?

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:13 AM

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tiny SoCs with built in radios, yeah not gonna happen.

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 10:13 AM

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They are using drive coils to have a huge wide dynamic range

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What do you think is in those antennas on those towers?

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THE SAME CHIPS BY TI

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LITERALLY

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or whatever OEM

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Also used in your Wi Fi AP

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Making many diff chips expensive

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Making one modular one then shaping what its able to hear...

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Cheaaaaaaaap

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They also run SNMP over VLAN 500 Normally to the Master Plane Control to change their configs

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the same VLAN for ONTs.... (not a coincidence)

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The same OMCI is used for their entire core to edge broadband in a single control plane on 99.99999% of modern hardware

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SEPA, VOLTHA are parts of these projects

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To the control plane, the subscribers method of connection was all the same,

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:17 AM

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vlans is all higher level

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it has nothing to do with layer 1

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and you cannot expect everyone to change frequencies

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its just not gonna happen.

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 10:18 AM

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Uh... I never said it was layer 1

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but the controller on all of these use VLAN 500 and run SNMP to send comands

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Traffic-Treatment-app-The-functional-blocks-of-the-application-use-the-APIs-that_Q320.png

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:18 AM

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???????????

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:19 AM

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plain siren Making one modular one then shaping what its able to hear...

and all the old chipsets that are still in use?

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forget it.

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not gonna happen

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 10:19 AM

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This is a 1996 protocol

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:19 AM

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and it has worked well enough thus far.

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 10:19 AM

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Yeah, but im saying: Yeah they can make that vast that quick of a change on the fly

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If they wanted

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:19 AM

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Nah they can't

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because it would make a lot of devices incompatible with eachother

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Not gonna happen ^^

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 10:21 AM

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IPv4 isnt going to be revoked... itll remove compatability!

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HAHAHA

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AHHAHAAHAH

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Here we go

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ALL OVER AGAIN

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:21 AM

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We;re talking about wireless allocation, not logical addressing

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 10:21 AM

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Still in the pipeline

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Still the same result

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:21 AM

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;-;

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my head hurts talking to you

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 10:22 AM

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The industry prefers to make these logistical changes and say fuck the devices cuz they save money

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over 7 Million Wireless Mics used for like conventions/theatre/whatever had to be tossed

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When the 5G allocations were made

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Landfill fodder

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Guess whos running FCC right now?

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Guess who leads these standardization committies?

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Those that are gonna make those changes without a care anyways

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Because its the way forward logically

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:23 AM

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Idc who runs the FCC

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it has literally 0 impact on my life.

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 10:24 AM

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It will when they start saying in 6 months, this aint gonna work

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I would seriously go look at 2022 Goals set by the joint WGU of the ITU Members (Telecom) and FCC...

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Theres alot of this right there on the calendar

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OEMs and Providers either keep up.. or die

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Heres the whole data model btw. Kinda cool: you can literally make a global change in a second to your entire Data Provider Offerings core configs from the same place

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This further reduces the weight of cost change on the providers. So they have even more of a reason if there is some gain to be had to do it

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@tame carbon But heres what you didnt want to hear: They dont care, you will fork the cost, they wont listen

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:29 AM

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Nah

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 10:29 AM

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They said this in a PR manner in an Open Letter to the Community from the ITU

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Its still up

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:29 AM

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it boils down to: don't change a running a system.

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If you start messing with consumer space wireless allocations

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you only get anger.

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 10:29 AM

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They are changing it. In fact, change logs as recent as today are posted

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The problem is

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The system aint working

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Towers are oversubscribed and running at peak broadcast way too long

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Means of airspace isolation is getting trickier

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The platform isnt working for the growth.

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COVID killed it

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We saw entire regions die for periods of time

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And IPv6 actually CANT Be deployed on many networks currently due to bunk workarounds. Oh and we also ran out of something while we were not prepared... IPV4

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These telecoms are not about to get caught with their pants down again

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Welcome to the time of change.

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However, we know what we need to do so we dont have to do it again like this later on

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If the system is designed right, you wont be playing janga with it

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now or never

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Ill take the future

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:32 AM

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AGAIN

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wtf.

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You are talking about airspace allocation

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and then talk about ipv6

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Those two have nothing to do with eachother.

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 10:33 AM

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But if you run out of either one, the result was the same

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:33 AM

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wat

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im done with this conversation

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it makes no sense anymore

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 10:33 AM

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If your Airspace is shit, your shit cant talk

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If your IP Layer is shit

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Your shit cant talk

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Right now

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ALL THE LAYERS got problems

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:34 AM

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KEKW

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ok

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w/e

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 10:34 AM

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The whole point of the OCI was to merge the logistical problems they all provided into one solution.

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The problem is bigger than just antennas

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Change a transmitter... change a router..... how you connect doesnt matter

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How it talks didnt matter

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:34 AM

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@tender hazel anything you'd recommend for PoE distribution ?

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 10:34 AM

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The fact is, it was starting to all fall apart at various points

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:35 AM

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Looking at mikrotik offerings, and I Am just looking for a rackmountable PoE injector array

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and they don't have any of those

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Their RB260GS has atheros chipsets, and I don't trust those to do VLAN filtering at gigabit speeds

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 10:36 AM

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https://opennetworking.org/onf-broadband-projects/ <alright here since you dont understand it from me. Take it from the people who run the thing themselves

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The calendar for literal "Damaging" switchovers on all layers and forms of transport is marked. Its all public.

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One way or another, theres alot of changes that will break shit.

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Prepare to suck it up

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because if we dont do this soon, were gonna have some serious problems with every form of capacity limitation and management issue

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And then you got nothing

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and heres your leaders

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https://opennetworking.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/ccr.pdf < Here is the plan in writing currently being acted

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They addressed your issue, and said "oh well"

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@tame carbon https://www.vivit-worldwide.org/blogpost/701724/347717/COVID-19-A-Booster-for-Digital-Transformation And heres a good article by a major provider that basically explains why the immediate changes are a need

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With paperwork and all

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And how COVID-19 basically threw the old "Dont touch if works" rule out the door

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https://www.microfocus.com/en-us/digital-transformation/overview And heres the guys basically running the show as contractors.

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Even our public emergency broadcast system is up for change with a reband + entire workover of data arch

severe wigeon Apr 25, 2021, 3:45 PM

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plain siren If your Airspace is shit, your shit cant talk

Lol what. That's not at all how radio works

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Well, not entirely

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Your budget just cant afford getting around it dogekek

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 3:45 PM

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OMEGALUL

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Admittedly I dumbed some stuff down just to show the basics

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 4:57 PM

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@tame carbon you could use RB260GSP yeah

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You would need to figure out how to mount it though

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 5:28 PM

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@tender hazel found a supplier for wall mounted DIN rails

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No biggie

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 5:41 PM

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@tame carbon passive PoE?

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or 802.3af/at?

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 5:47 PM

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tame carbon <@530075635423510548> found a supplier for wall mounted DIN rails

Which one u using

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 5:48 PM

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aren't you going to need switches anyway?

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 6:20 PM

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@tender hazel yeah but the location of the wiring going to some APs is very specific, so I was going to use powerbox pros for those

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 6:21 PM

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then what are the DIN's for?

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 6:22 PM

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Mounting those boxes to the wall

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Both are indoors

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 6:26 PM

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ahh ok

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so you're using the DIN somehow to mount the powerbox pro inside

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:06 PM

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@tender hazel yeah there's no other way

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 7:06 PM

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Which OEM did you go with for the rails @tame carbon ?

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:07 PM

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@plain siren lol the local hardware store

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 7:07 PM

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YUS!

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:07 PM

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germans kinda invented DIN

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would be weird if they didnt have them

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@tender hazel do you know what is up with those mANT boxes, they come with an injector and a 48V supply

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meanwhile, those RB960PGS'es only have a 24V supply

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:10 PM

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I don't know what you are asking

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the mantbox accepts between 12-57V in

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:13 PM

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then why does it ship with a 48V supply?

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all their other gear ships with 24V

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:13 PM

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not sure

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:13 PM

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@tender hazel I made a diagram, of a rough sketch of the network layout

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:13 PM

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but the specs show that 24V should work

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:14 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/eLylJjo.png

Imgur

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@tender hazel Most of their outgoing lines are actually at the front desk

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so I am replacing their two 8-port unmanaged netgear switches

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with a CRS326

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:15 PM

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ahh ok - good

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:16 PM

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@tender hazel the Kiosk they have outside, has another PowerBox Pro

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:16 PM

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better to have visibility over everything than to have random unmanaged switches hanging around

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:16 PM

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thats where another POS system is

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I plan on putting a cAP ac inside there

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and two outgoing lines

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that go up the hill, to two of the Wireless poles (that isnt using ptp)

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I wanted to have managed switches throughout

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so I can seperate the POS system from the LAN

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currently, all of that is on their LAN

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The POS 'controller' is a program running on their server (which I installed for them a couple years ago)

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@tender hazel am I to be worried about those Atheros switching chips?

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someone here said, that if you enable VLAN filtering on those, they shit themselves

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:21 PM

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with the powerbox pro you mean?

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:21 PM

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Yes, and the RB4011

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I believe they also have those chips

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:22 PM

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it really depends on the device

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enabling bridge vlan filtering disables hardware switching on all devices except CRS3xx models

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:23 PM

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so what about the PowerBox Pro then?

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:23 PM

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well the powerbox pro similarly will not have hardware switching with bridge vlan filtering on

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:23 PM

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okay, but does that mean I cannot use access ports and trunking on it?

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or at reduced speed?

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:23 PM

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at reduced speed

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you will be limited to 1.6Gbps

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:24 PM

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I wish to have the full gigabit

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:24 PM

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whereas hardware switching allows you to go above that

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:24 PM

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so not a real issue then

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:24 PM

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no

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:24 PM

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There's at most only going 1G through that device

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@tender hazel is there anything you'd recommend for omni directional antennas?

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:24 PM

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yup - that's why I said the powerbox pro and not the regular powerbox - the regular powerbox has a much weaker CPU and can only handle like 200Mbps bridging

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:24 PM

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or should I just put up one of those metal52 ac's ?

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@tender hazel powerbox is only fast ethernet too. so that's a given then.

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:26 PM

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yeah so basically the rule of thumb is when you use a function that cannot be handled by the hardware switch chip and it disables hardware switching, it uses the CPU for bridging and then performance depends entirely on how powerful the device is

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and in the case of the RB4011 and powerbox pro the CPU is quite powerful

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so you can use bridge vlan filtering without having to worry about the limit with either

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:27 PM

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Cool

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:28 PM

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tame carbon <@!530075635423510548> is there anything you'd recommend for omni directional an...

I don't really particularly know about outdoor omni antennas, we have been getting rid of any omnis that we have left

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we have them at some towers but they will be going away the next time we go there to upgrade

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:29 PM

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I got a couple more questions xD

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Those wireless wire cubes, if I was to put more than three on a single pole, transmitting

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if I have them facing in opposite directions, can I use the same frequency twice?

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or do I need an RF shield inbetween?

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:29 PM

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yes if you have them facing in diffferent ways you should be able to use the same frequency twice

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and there are 5 different frequency choices on 60ghz

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:30 PM

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5?

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I thought only 3

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:30 PM

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no, there are 5

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unless maybe only 3 in germany

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https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Interface/W60G

W60G

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frequency (58320 | 60480 | 62640 | 64800 | 66000 | auto; Default: auto) Frequency used in communication (Only active on master device)

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:32 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/sKzhQRu.png

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Theres 6?

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:32 PM

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ahh, there you might have more choices

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the higher you go in the 60ghz spectrum the longer the distance it can go, the less impacted by oxygen attenuation

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I haven't seen that channel 6 as an option on the mikrotik 60ghz but maybe it is there in the newer ones

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:33 PM

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those advertised 800meters, is that still full bandwidth?

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its not an issue, since we run at most 100 meters

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:34 PM

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I would prefer to run those at shorter distances than that

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:34 PM

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one link is only 25 meters lol

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:34 PM

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yeah at 100 meters you'll get gigabit full duplex no problem

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:34 PM

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but we have no option to run cables

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@tender hazel okay, so one last question. This goes back to the CPU and vlan filtering from earlier

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:34 PM

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the longer the distance the harder it is to aim them and the more important that the aim is precise

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:35 PM

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I plan on daisy chaining two sector antennas together

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but wish to be able to have a management and data vlan

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are those CPU bottlenecked by that?

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they have quadcore CPUs

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which i think is quite beastly for such an AP

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:36 PM

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it should be ok - I mean you don't have to use bridge vlan filtering on those either

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you can just use vlan interfaces

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it keeps things simpler

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I would only use bridge vlan filtering on your switches

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:37 PM

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so a management vlan

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:37 PM

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yeah

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:37 PM

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if I register a CAP, and create a datapath, on a specific vlan

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do I have to create an interface for that?

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or does it tag it silently in bg?

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:37 PM

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what we do is on the trunk coming into the switch, we have the customer vlan and mangement vlan tagged from/to the router, but then on the port going to the AP, the customer vlan is untagged and only the management vlan is tagged

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:38 PM

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ahh

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:38 PM

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tame carbon or does it tag it silently in bg?

it tags it silently in the background, you don't have to create a vlan interface

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:38 PM

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but what would you configure as the datapath vlan then?

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1 ?

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since you are tagging it at the switch

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:39 PM

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you would leave it unset

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like this

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except you would turn off client to client forwarding most likely

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:39 PM

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Yep

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Okay, so this would forward that traffic to the switch

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and then the switch can tag it afterwards?

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:39 PM

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yes

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the switch will apply the tag on the customer traffic when it arrives from the AP

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and everything is tagged on the trunk back to the router

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:40 PM

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interesting

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I may have to do some tagging with those powerboxes too

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the line between switch and powerbox would be a trunk

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one of the ports on it would be an access port for the single POS system

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and the other three lines are going to APs

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I figured, a cable can do whatever I want it to, as long as I can plug a tik on it

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:41 PM

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yeah

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:42 PM

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excellent.

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Cool, so I'm heading back home tomorrow

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then I'm going to actually make a plan and list of parts

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rough sketch, goes to actual network diagram

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with addressing

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:43 PM

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ok

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:43 PM

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only annoying thin is, I don't really know what kind of accessories I will need lol

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there's lots of little doo dads that I might need

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@tender hazel and according to my dad. the existing wireless network they had, had failed on numerous occassions, because the powerbricks feeding the injectors would fail

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so I think I might end up putting labels on all them, numbering them, and then having them stock up on some spares.

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so they can replace them if need be

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so if a powerbrick fails, they look at it "oh its a number 2" and they just grab one of the spares they have

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not all will be fed by a powerbox

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so I am just worried, that this kind of thing will happen in the future

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:46 PM

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I don't think the adapters generally have a tendency to fail, but yes you can get extras

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most likely the source of any such failure would be from a power surge after a power outage

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so as long as you have decent surge protection it ought to minimize those risks

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:48 PM

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not all of those wireless posts will have that

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 7:50 PM

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you'll probably want some kind of surge protecting power bar at minimum

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at each post

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just so you have something

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rather than plugging everything directly into the mains

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:51 PM

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@tender hazel do those come as units I could mount on rails ? :o

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Like this? :o

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 7:54 PM

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Yup

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You got pretty much every thing you can think of on DINR format

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:54 PM

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Outlets, breakers, and kWh meters

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thats what those boxes that exist rn have

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@plain siren they didnt even bother with that lol ^

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 7:56 PM

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Honestly, you should protect the feed on the outside

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:56 PM

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THere's no way for us to do that

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These posts feed off the supply that is used by the camping itself

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There's 3 80A phases on the entire area.

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 7:56 PM

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You cant just cut the cable and add one inline?

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 7:57 PM

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@plain siren I will, once the old ISP has removed all this garbage

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those posts are on our property

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the plan for now, is getting Fiber optics running , getting the main switch up and running

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and providing indoor wireless

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once that works, they will cancel their existing internet service

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and once all the equipment has been taken down, will we start on building out our wireless network

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@plain siren also the roof mounted antenna is scary as fuck

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I had a look in the attic, how it is wired up

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and the pole just goes through the roof

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they drilled holes in asbestos plates.

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OMEGALUL

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 7:59 PM

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So I would use a MARS 83905

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and for every ethernet cable that runs PoE and is at any point exposed, will also need one

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https://www.l-com.com/surge-protector-outdoor-10-100-1000-base-t-cat6-poe-compatible-lightning-protector-rj45-jacks

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For any RF Devices like... an Antenna you should use a Gas Discharge tube

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 8:04 PM

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@plain siren mikrotik sells those now

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https://mikrotik.com/product/rbgesp

MikroTik

MikroTik is a Latvian company which was founded in 1996 to develop routers and wireless ISP systems. MikroTik now provides hardware and software for Internet connectivity in most of the countries around the world.

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Would this do?

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 8:04 PM

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doesnt have Kv rating

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Thats a no from me dawg

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 8:06 PM

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https://i.mt.lv/cdn/rb_images/2033_l.jpg

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 8:07 PM

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Yeah if I cant see the protection rating on it, I aint gonna touch it personally

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This is really important

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Key 1: Thermal MOVs
Key 2: Short Circuit Protection (A diff rating)
And then the L-N dumps

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 8:08 PM

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those mikrotik surges are more meant for protecting the equipment from lightning strikes

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but I think you are in a situation where the surrounding trees will be taller than those poles

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 8:09 PM

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Yeah thats MCOV

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 8:09 PM

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Its a valley

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literally, if lightning strikes

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itll strike the windmills on the hill

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 8:09 PM

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Any antenna within 10 miles will gain 100V from the residual EM

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My HAM antenna during storms makes spark noises at the shack connection (I unplug it and stick the connectors in a glass container)

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 8:10 PM

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Up on the hill

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valley is downhill

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(duh)

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 8:11 PM

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Thats kinda even worse for strikes, Thats mean the "Static" from the strike can travel

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 8:11 PM

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just a strong electric field

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but 100V at 10 miles?

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 8:11 PM

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Yup

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 8:12 PM

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with our telecom towers of course surge protection is a must for us because there is a danger of a direct strike

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 8:12 PM

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Its because the ground becomes a "field carrier" with ground saturated dumps

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The striked area could only absorb so much of the strike so it actually starts to kinda "slide" like ice

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 8:12 PM

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we did an install back in 2017 or so where we upgraded an entire site and there was one undocumented radio and becuase it wasn't documented it didn't receive lightning protection

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 8:12 PM

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and it went boom?

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 8:13 PM

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just days after all the new equipment was installed, lightning struck the tower directly, blowing that radio, travelling to the equipment, the mikrotik router exploded etc

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all of the radios fried

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 8:13 PM

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Lucky no one was right next to it holy shit

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 8:13 PM

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F

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 8:14 PM

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of course we had just started moving to mikrotik recently at that time so I was getting a lot of "if this were a cisco it wouldn't have exploded" which was frustrating

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 8:14 PM

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no, cisco catches fire

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 8:14 PM

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it's like we've never had a direct lightning strike on one of our towers like that before

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 8:14 PM

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Literally

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 8:15 PM

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Fresh kindling

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 8:15 PM

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so of course they started getting paranoid about grounding, because they thought the mikrotiks were suspectible to exploding from surges etc

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but since then we have had 0 exploded mikrotiks

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 8:15 PM

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Inb4 they just grounded every point

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 8:15 PM

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so they are more calm about that now

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 8:16 PM

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@tender hazel do you have pictures of the aftermath?

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 8:16 PM

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please tell me they dont have multiple ground points for each device in the line

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 8:16 PM

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@plain siren ground is ground no?

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 8:17 PM

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oh no no

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Fs-IBXnixmTuysYB3wM7ypT6shxrjxoR0RP9wyGEhhmdo2evDQKG6ZirKJQsIFJNLC9tDhca5g8.png

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Ground Loops

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 8:18 PM

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should they each be grounded seperately?

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 8:18 PM

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They should all ground to the same point

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but each one to the point seperately

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 8:18 PM

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I saw a picture before but I'm not sure where it was

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 8:19 PM

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This is how it should be

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 8:19 PM

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so no daisy chaining?

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 8:20 PM

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Ground loops will destroy an antennas SWR

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You touch the shielded pieces during a Tx and suddenly RF Burn?

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And all sorts of other fun shit

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This is why ethernet is usually isolated

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tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 8:22 PM

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Googling RF burn has led me here

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/An_operational_version_of_the_Active_Denial_System.jpg

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Pain Ray

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Shoots high intensity beams of 95GHz

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intended to be less-than-lethal

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 8:23 PM

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tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 8:23 PM

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against personell

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 8:24 PM

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I remember a few years ago ground loops caused a massive RF leak into someones HAM Transceiver here locally and it killed them

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 8:52 PM

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Not sure if this counts as a basic tech support question but I thought I'd ask here if anyone has experience with 66 Blocks. I just moved into an apartment and all the data cabling terminates on a 66 block in the closet, which I find weird because more than half of the cables end with 8P8C/RJ45 outlets (not 6P6C phone outlets). I want to just re-terminate all the cabling to a patch panel but I'm a little concerned about liability in the very slim chances my landlord finds out and cares. So instead, first, I'm thinking about tearing out the voice patching and then attempting to punch down one end of a patch cord to the secondary contacts and just seeing if I can get half-decent speeds through the punchdown block like that.

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But before that, I wanted to see if there was anyone I could talk to who's familiar punching down voice jumpers so I can make sure I'm not about to do something catastrophically stupid in tearing them out

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It's strangely difficult finding people who've done this stuff before, I would imagine there's tens of thousands of people with residential service technician experience

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:04 PM

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@ornate salmon you are in the right channel for this

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Usually such a termination block is a handover from the service provider to the residence

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you only change the leads on the outer terminals

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the inner terminals go to a trunk line which goes into the ground

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You need an LSA punchdown tool to put those wires in

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:06 PM

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I have one actually, I did some time as commercial telecom technician before moving into estimating

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I'll send a picture of this block though it's a little weird

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:06 PM

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And punchdown for twisted pair isnt unheard of

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:07 PM

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hollow marlin Apr 25, 2021, 9:07 PM

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Best to post the block as there are many configurations of them

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:07 PM

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@ornate salmon what are those blue lines feeding to?

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:07 PM

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I'm struggling to figure out how this is supposed to be being used in this context

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The blue pairs?

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:08 PM

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no the cables at the top

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that bundle

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:08 PM

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I believe those are all running to locations around my apartment unit

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:08 PM

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@ornate salmon yeah so one side is service, the other client

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:08 PM

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But I don't know if one of them might be leading back to an IDF

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:08 PM

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they are just straight through

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:09 PM

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I assume/think the blue patching pairs are daisy chained along, that's how voice usually works right?

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:10 PM

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Not sure how they do that all over the world

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:10 PM

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But then you're saying basically that the cat5 cable terminated in the top right is probably incoming voice?

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:11 PM

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I can't tell

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@ornate salmon I think both incoming and outgoing are terminated on those blocks

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and the blue-white lines are just to bridge the connections, and close the circuit

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:12 PM

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It looks like the blue and orange pairs of every single category cable are all daisy chained together with the blue and white mess of strands

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:13 PM

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I've seen much worse

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37497593-phone-junction-box-switchboard-with-lots-of-cables.png

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:14 PM

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This is how I think this is all connected

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Yeah I've seen some crazy ones too, usually for like PA/Bell systems in schools

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but I've never had to work with one myself

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I feel about 53% confident in myself just pulling out the patching wires here, and then I'll probably just tone out the category cables from the outlet end, and then whichever one is left is presumeably the incoming voice line if there is one

hollow marlin Apr 25, 2021, 9:17 PM

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66 blocks terminals a split into a left/right half with the outer/inner punchdown connected. I guarantee the outer pins are incoming voice and inner are to the jacks. If you are going to daisy chain or splice, there are better ways. Coming from someone who's done 1,000s of punch downs

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:18 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/fDe6jYy.png

Imgur

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Incoming lines on the outer side

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:19 PM

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I'm pretty sure the outer edges are primarily the cables running to the outlets inside my unit

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I see 7 Cables terminated to the 66 block

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and I count 7 Jacks in my apartment (although there's a mystery faceplate that could potentially contain 2 more terminations

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:21 PM

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that block feels like its not even in use

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or only has one line

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:21 PM

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I think potentially the way this is set up is for the voice outlets on the back of my modem to be patched into one of the rj45 outlets, and then for any other outlet to be able to patch to a phone

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:21 PM

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its barely got anything hooked up

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I know in oldschool homes here in the netherlands, it wasn't uncommon for all the oulets in the house to be chained together

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:22 PM

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I guess I'm lucky then at least that these seem to be homeruns with the daisy chaining being operator choice

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actually i guess it's not daisy chaining in that case, it's like, trunk-offshoot

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:23 PM

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but are those 7 blue utp cables the only thing feeding into it?

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:23 PM

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from what I can see, I think so

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:23 PM

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odd

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:23 PM

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very odd

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:23 PM

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those ISRA points here, have a cable coming in from below which terminates on such a block

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and then customer equipment is just patched in through the middle row

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:24 PM

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That would seem pretty logical

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My service here though comes through coax

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So I already sorted out the coax nightmare earlier tofay

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My last apartment just had two strands of fiber to an ONT, that was beautiful

hollow marlin Apr 25, 2021, 9:25 PM

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Well the actually way to do it is outer pins are only used for runs and middle pins are connected with a bridge clip

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:26 PM

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@ornate salmon I just have a single mode fiber directly plugged into my router :)

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two lines come into the house

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one is in use, the other is backup

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:26 PM

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Interesting, two individual strands but using just one at a time?

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:26 PM

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@ornate salmon they run the fiber in a big circle

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Line 1 goes clockwise

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line 2 counterclockwise

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both ends are terminated at the exchange

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:27 PM

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Oh ok so then do you have 4 strands total?

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:27 PM

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no, two fibers

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:28 PM

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maybe I'm confused what you mean by backup

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:28 PM

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@ornate salmon the fiber path itself is a circle

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on both sides of the circle its spliced

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:29 PM

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you'd think I would be less confused about all this stuff, my day job is estimating colocation projects

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:29 PM

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@ornate salmon Its basically just if there's a fiber cut somewhere

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they can send the light down the other fiber

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which takes a different direction

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:29 PM

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ah ok ok I see

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:30 PM

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its like T connection

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:30 PM

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wait so let me rephrase to see if I better understand

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:30 PM

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fiber goes left, and right

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:30 PM

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ok so it's a fiber ring with a redundant pathway, 1 strand in 1 strand out

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(ish)

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:31 PM

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^

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Exactly.

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:31 PM

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I've just never seen a single stranded fiber that's what my brain is hung up on

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:31 PM

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And each house has its own fiber :)

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so you aren't limited by the fiber operator

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:31 PM

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the minimum I've ever used was 2ST

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:32 PM

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its all singlemode

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:32 PM

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That's a good way to do it

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:32 PM

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@ornate salmon yeah the subsidies that made this possible made one thing very clear

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:33 PM

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One time I worked on a jobsite where we had to pull multiple 2-strand fibers to every desk in an office

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:33 PM

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the company that runs the fiber, is independent from the actual service provider

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so you can get 10G if you wanted to :D

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:33 PM

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each desk had 3 cat6A and 3 duplex LC

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:33 PM

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or even 100G

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if you are crazy enough

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:33 PM

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Very interesting!

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:33 PM

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it all depends on the ISP you are connecting to

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what kind of gear they have in the exchange

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but its basically dark-fiber to the home

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:35 PM

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So then I assume all the ISPs come into a demarc point that's like, your community center or something and that's where they patch in to you?

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:35 PM

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@ornate salmon and this path you spoke of:

hollow marlin Apr 25, 2021, 9:35 PM

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Telcos are pretty much all single strand with BiDi. Duplex for drops are not common at all outside specific scenarios

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:35 PM

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Yes I've estimated a few projects with campus fiber-rings

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:35 PM

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@hollow marlin Yeah service is BiDi

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two lines are spliced in, both are functional just not operational at same time

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:36 PM

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That's really interesting

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:36 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/776722183119699988/777646103775674368/IMG-20200922-WA0001.jpg

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Result is a single fiber that goes to my gear

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(the one on the left)

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that other spooled up fiber is 10G for LAN

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:37 PM

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my job all day long every blueprint is nothing but 12+ strands of fiber going to duplex connectors

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is that LC?

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:37 PM

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Yes

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both are

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:38 PM

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I guess duplex is really just for density

hollow marlin Apr 25, 2021, 9:38 PM

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Drops are still 12 strands at minimum, but usually 2 spliced as its cheaper to just use another fiber than repair a drop

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:38 PM

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which is why I see it all the time

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:38 PM

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@hollow marlin Lol those junction boxes they use for the fibers, are big metal boxes like 2x1 meters

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they put about 20 cm of topsoil on them

hollow marlin Apr 25, 2021, 9:38 PM

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Duplex is not for density, bidi is

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:39 PM

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What is duplex for

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:39 PM

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when they do maintenance like splicing a fiber

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they just remove the topsoil

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open the box

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and pull out the big block of spooled up fibers

hollow marlin Apr 25, 2021, 9:39 PM

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Duplex - rx/tx fibers - same frequency
BiDi - rx/tx over single fiber - difference frequency

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:40 PM

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@ornate salmon BiDi uses two wavelengths on same fiber

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you need two different modules

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with RX/TX flipped

hollow marlin Apr 25, 2021, 9:40 PM

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Duplex burns 2 fibers each connection. Fine for the CO/DC, not for last mile

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:40 PM

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Is duplex faster?

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:40 PM

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no

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has no bearing on speed

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You can use WDM with duplex

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something you cannot do with simplex

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https://i.imgur.com/vu9yhD8.png

Imgur

hollow marlin Apr 25, 2021, 9:41 PM

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Duplex is still the only option with higher speeds such as 100g+. At least I have no seen any SFPs for such

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:42 PM

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WDM is probably how corning lets you split 1 outlet to 32 ONTs yeah?

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:42 PM

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@hollow marlin Highest I've seen with BiDi is SFP28

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:42 PM

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with a passive splitter

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:42 PM

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@ornate salmon its just a box with prisms

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:43 PM

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tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:43 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/2RQZqRd.png

Imgur

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:43 PM

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wait

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the way corning does this basically is WDM and BiDi

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no?

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:44 PM

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WDM uses much more narrow bands

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You need special transceivers for those

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https://www.fs.com/de/products/36351.html

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Kaufen Sie Cisco SFP-10G-BXU-I 10GBASE-BX10-U SFP+ Transceiver-Modul, Singlemode Kabel 1270nm-TX/1330nm-RX LC Stecker beim 10 Gigabit BiDi SFP+ Modul Hersteller bestem Preis.

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This is a BiDi transceiver ^

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1270nm-TX and 1330nm-RX

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the other side, would need to be reversed

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They use a simplex fiber

hollow marlin Apr 25, 2021, 9:45 PM

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GPON is not WDM but TDM, same wavelength is used for all ONTs. NGPON is a mix of WDM/TDM

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:46 PM

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PON is garbage

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Its treating fiber like a coaxial network

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Its a cost saving measure for residential deployments

hollow marlin Apr 25, 2021, 9:47 PM

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The savings is night and day though

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:47 PM

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Yeah but its not at all future proof

hollow marlin Apr 25, 2021, 9:47 PM

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GPON is fine in most cases

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:47 PM

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I mean, my last apartment was GPON and I always got a solid 1GB connection

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which was still an excessive amount for what I actually use as an individual

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:48 PM

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@ornate salmon sure, you can get like 2.488G down and 1.244G up

hollow marlin Apr 25, 2021, 9:48 PM

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GPON->NGPON->XGPON, same fiber and splitters, different equipment

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:48 PM

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@ornate salmon but its not as flexible, because everyone in the area shares the same wavelength of fiber

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WDM actually multiplexes multiple wavelengths of light

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so you can have 96 'colors' on a single fiber

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each color, can be whatever speed you want it to be

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:49 PM

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interesting

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:50 PM

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@ornate salmon this is used for long-haul mostly

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:50 PM

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WDM is/

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?

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:50 PM

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Wavelength division multiplexing

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TDM = Time division multiplexing

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with TDM, the ONTs take turn when signalling

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with WDM, all can signal indepdendently on different wavelengths

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:51 PM

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So is WDM like, way more expensive or something?

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:51 PM

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More density.

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The best that we can do right now, is 96 wavelengths on a single pair of fibers

clear igloo Apr 25, 2021, 9:51 PM

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hollow marlin Duplex is still the only option with higher speeds such as 100g+. At least I hav...

There is an MSA for 400G bidis and there are 100g bidi for mm fiber pairs but I haven't seen anything for 400g yet

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:52 PM

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@clear igloo isn't 400G QAM ?

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or PAM

clear igloo Apr 25, 2021, 9:52 PM

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PAM4 I believe

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:52 PM

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@clear igloo regular fiber transceivers are just PAM1 right?

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on/off

clear igloo Apr 25, 2021, 9:53 PM

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I think it was NRZ/PAM2

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:54 PM

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Ye, so on/off

clear igloo Apr 25, 2021, 9:54 PM

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yah

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:54 PM

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flicking the switch at highspeed

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@ornate salmon https://i.imgur.com/M0IBG1Q.png

Imgur

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@ornate salmon WDM muxer basically has a line, and a bunch of channels

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The Line goes to another muxer

hollow marlin Apr 25, 2021, 9:54 PM

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clear igloo There is an MSA for 400G bidis and there are 100g bidi for mm fiber pairs but I ...

I would have guessed they existed. Never looked as I don't really look at MM

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:55 PM

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@ornate salmon it basically allows you to combine multiple fiber links onto a single pair

clear igloo Apr 25, 2021, 9:55 PM

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hollow marlin I would have guessed they existed. Never looked as I don't really look at MM

Yah, they don't have really long length or anything, mostly for like sub 50 or 30 meters or so

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:55 PM

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Pair or strand?

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:55 PM

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@ornate salmon if you have a very long fiber path, this makes a lot of sense. It would allow a cross-connect between two datacenters, to use a single pair of fiber for multiple services

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@ornate salmon Its all duplex

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so you have two fibers, RX and TX

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:56 PM

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Oh ok I see

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:56 PM

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Its just a box of prisms

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Line goes in, splits it up into however many channels it supports

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:56 PM

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that makes sense, also I just tore out all the phone jumpers in my 66 block

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:56 PM

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imagine, 100G

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on a DWDM (Dense WDM)

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that's 9.6Tbit/s

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96x 100G

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on a fiber pair (duplex)

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:57 PM

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is MPO WDM or is it some other trickery?

waxen scroll Apr 25, 2021, 9:58 PM

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Other trickery

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:58 PM

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MPO is AHHHHHHHHHH

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Dust is your enemy

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:58 PM

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oh MPO is just 12 individual strands but theyre lined up precisely

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 9:58 PM

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MPO is just a composite connector

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with a bunch of fibers

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but this is multimode stuffs I believe

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I don't mess with that

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MPO very expensive also

waxen scroll Apr 25, 2021, 9:59 PM

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@clear igloo send me samples

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 9:59 PM

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I just bid a 3m$ project with like 600+ pre-terminated MPO fibers going to splitter cassettes

clear igloo Apr 25, 2021, 9:59 PM

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waxen scroll <@291198741862416384> send me samples

nou!

waxen scroll Apr 25, 2021, 9:59 PM

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I can afford it but only if you show me

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👀

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:00 PM

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even higher density

waxen scroll Apr 25, 2021, 10:00 PM

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And you can break it up into many 10g

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:01 PM

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24-fiber-mpo-lc-fan-out-cable-mpo-female-connector-to-lc-upc-500x500.png

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Breakout cables yes

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 10:01 PM

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I built my bid with some breakout cables and some 48 strand MPO-MPO running to cassettes

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I think the 48ST MPOs though had 4 MPO-12 connectors on them

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each end

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:02 PM

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Gold plated fiber cables KEKW

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Ofcourse this exists. why am I not surprised

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https://i.imgur.com/AgZwLln.png

Imgur

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 10:02 PM

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gold plated fiber cables go in the cable stretcher to be extended

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:02 PM

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Toslink of all the cables KEKW

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Consumer grade plastic fibers

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 10:03 PM

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lmao

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:03 PM

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Multimode I think

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lol, those cores are so big

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you point it at the sun, and light comes out the other side

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 10:04 PM

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i think toslink just uses an elf with a flashlight at the transceiver

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:04 PM

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Its just a red LED

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not even laser or IR

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 10:04 PM

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pshh too simple for my tastes

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peasantry

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:04 PM

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@ornate salmon I use that for my hifi setup at my desk

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its easiest way to get 5.1 going

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I think that standard allows for 125mbit/s

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which is peanuts

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 10:05 PM

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that's actually better than i expected

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:06 PM

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Also, those BiDi interfaces are generally more expensive

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10G SFP+ BiDi (LR 10km) costs ~ 35 bucks

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and the duplex 10G variant is like 20 bucks

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 10:06 PM

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do you think my apartment complex will notice on move-out if I reterminated all my 6P6C to 8P8C

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:07 PM

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do they still use the phones? KEKW

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 10:07 PM

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I'ma lose internet for a second here but hopefully i will brb quickly with speed test results through a 66 block

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😂

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Gross

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:17 PM

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bunch of wildlife in the box

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spiders jumping out

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and the other box I opened had signs of rodents taking refuge

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 10:24 PM

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Yeah this is the first time I've opened a wall outlet to find spider webs

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I've lived a privileged technician life

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:25 PM

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I have to redo all of this stuff soon

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Old isp gear goes bye bye

lean pebble Apr 25, 2021, 10:25 PM

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New ISP gear?

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Or private new gear

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 10:26 PM

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use Belden cable

tame carbon Apr 25, 2021, 10:26 PM

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@lean pebble this is for wireless service on the area

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the ISP does both internet and wireless service

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with the new fiber optics we're getting

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all of this gear is gonna be removed

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and replaced by new 60GHz ptp links and sector antennas

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instead of the crappy omni antennas they use now (on 2.4GHz with 40MHz channels xD)

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and they use 5Ghz for backhaul right now

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 10:29 PM

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omg swapping out the wallplate f-connector gave me speed test gains of .2 mbps

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yeehaw

waxen scroll Apr 25, 2021, 10:48 PM

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ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 10:55 PM

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So um

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It looks bad I know

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but the tone goes through just fine....

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....I don't think it works 😭

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so this much

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Is good

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Does anyone know what the S means

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 11:14 PM

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shielding?

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in your case I don't think that is shielded cable

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 11:15 PM

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I wish this little tester could give me any other diagnostics

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ugh does anyone make a pre-terminated 66-block patch cable or something dumb like that

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Oh I'm an idiot I think

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I terminated all the white conductors on the wrong things

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maybe not

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 11:34 PM

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Yes, S is the shielded cable jacket

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 11:34 PM

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wait that order is not TIA 568A or B

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the way they punched it down in the 66 block

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yeah I did it completely wrong

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 11:36 PM

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I dont even get why that block is being used

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 11:36 PM

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that netcat is useless?

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I don't either

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 11:37 PM

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Its like.... not even properly being used

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 11:37 PM

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well

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this is how it was set up earlier

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 11:37 PM

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un-set it up

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 11:37 PM

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I did

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let it load 😂

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plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 11:37 PM

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No I mean... that 66 block > Trash

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 11:37 PM

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basically they were all sharing a voice

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yeah I mean I want to replace it with a patch panel

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 11:38 PM

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ornate salmon yeah I mean I want to replace it with a patch panel

This

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 11:38 PM

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but I'm in an apartment

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 11:38 PM

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that never stopped me

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 11:38 PM

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😂

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I know nobody would ever know better

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 11:38 PM

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Then you invoice the apt later

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For the "upgrade"

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They would prob blindly pay it too OMEGALUL

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 11:39 PM

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I need to find my real punchdown tool because right now I'm doing this science with a screwdriver

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but I just moved and i packed it somewhere dumb

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 11:39 PM

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the 66 block is greater than trash?

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 11:39 PM

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LOL

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 11:39 PM

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Yeah, its literally negative space

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EVEN WORSE

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 11:40 PM

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whoever decided to standardize punching anything down probably is an agent of satan

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everything should be pre-terminated in chinese factories

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 11:45 PM

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AT&T (Bell) did sooooo yeah they are

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 11:45 PM

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ugh - port isolation is broken in SwOS 2.12

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and I only discovered because a customer plugged their router in backwards

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 11:46 PM

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well my last apartment had fiber service from AT&T so ill give them a pass

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 11:46 PM

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I had to temporarily create a mac acl to block them

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 11:46 PM

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this one, spectrum,

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friendship with spectrum ended

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They plugged in their router backwards?

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 11:48 PM

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yeah

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it's a common issue for certain types of ISPs unfortunately

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customer plugs in LAN port to the internet uplink

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in our case this led us to discover that port isolation wasn't working on the switch

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 11:48 PM

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OOooohhhhh

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 11:49 PM

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b/c they were handing out IPs to other customers

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who would then not get online b/c they were getting IPs from the backwards plugged in router instead of from us

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 11:49 PM

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that sounds messy

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 11:50 PM

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sometimes when the customer has a backwards plugged in router they don't even realize

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because what happens is sometimes they have this stupidly long cable

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and they have the WAN port on the router plugged into one of the LAN ports with that long cable

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because it is not obvious when the cable is that long that it is the same cable

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because it runs from their router down to the floor and up again

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so they plug in backwards and they still can have service, because the LAN port switching causes them to be bridged properly on the WAN port so even plugged in backwards things still sorta work

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 11:51 PM

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is it worth me plugging in my router backwards to see what happens

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actually I doubt it would do anything in my case, not cause chaos

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 11:52 PM

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no - any ISP that delivers an ethernet handoff is going to use port isolation to prevent you from handing out IPs to others

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we do, but at this one site only, the function isn't working in the switch, it is configured properly but isn't working

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I only discovered now b/c this happened

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I reported it to the vendor, hopefully they can fix it soon

ornate salmon Apr 25, 2021, 11:54 PM

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makes me wonder how many problems are lurking out there malignant because they haven't caused noticeable issues yet

plain siren Apr 25, 2021, 11:54 PM

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Modern ISP's with the whole "new" infra management systems actually use VLANs per customer now OMEGALUL

tender hazel Apr 25, 2021, 11:55 PM

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there's no need for a VLAN per customer if port isolation is working

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we do VLANs per customer for enterprise customers only, not for retail

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my cable ISP at home here does a single shared subnet for many customers (and so obviously a shared VLAN), but a combination of port isolation and Local Proxy ARP to separate customers

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it works as well as separating them into VLANs but it is a lot easier to manage and less wasteful of IP space

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assuming the port isolation works, that's a pretty critical feature to be broken

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I may have to downgrade the software to try to fix it

nova nexus Apr 26, 2021, 12:03 AM

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If you're doing VLAN per customer, you're doing networking completely wrong and should pack your bags and try a new hobby.

tender hazel Apr 26, 2021, 12:04 AM

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VLAN per customer makes sense when the customer is buying an enterprise grade service, like DIA or VPLS, but otherwise, no

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I remember going onto a Cisco chat and they were trying to tell me that I should be using a VLAN per customer for retail customers

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I was incredulous.. sure, that sounds great, I love making tons of extra work for myself for no reason

ornate salmon Apr 26, 2021, 12:07 AM

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Alright I'm calling my experiment with the 66 block a fail

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waste of a sunday

tender hazel Apr 26, 2021, 12:07 AM

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what are you trying to do with it anyway?

ornate salmon Apr 26, 2021, 12:11 AM

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two ideas

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one, if I could just bridge one UTP to the other so I can link something in another part of my unit to my router over LAN

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the other, if I just jumped every cable to a 8P8C connector so I could throw a little switch in the closet and give internet access to every outlet in my unit

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but alas, the idiots who built this place wired it with a boat-load of cat5e but failed to make it compatible with data

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I really should just rip out the 66 block and put a patch panel in there

tender hazel Apr 26, 2021, 12:16 AM

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are you sure it is wired correctly on both ends

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like the picture you showed should be working.. maybe not at 1Gbps but you should get something

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your cabling has to be pretty terrible not to come up at 10Mbps even

ornate salmon Apr 26, 2021, 12:18 AM

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to be fair my testing methodology sucks

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I'm sure the jacks are terminated correctly

tender hazel Apr 26, 2021, 12:18 AM

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how are you testing?

ornate salmon Apr 26, 2021, 12:18 AM

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well

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I have two coupled patch cables that run from the little thing punched down to the 66 block all the way back to my computer

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so i have like

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way too many potential points of failure

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the netcat seems useless at everything except telling me how long the cable is

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and I don't have any other devices with an rj45 to just plug in in my closet and easily see if they're connected

leaden minnow Apr 26, 2021, 1:23 AM

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So who here uses pfsense?

tender hazel Apr 26, 2021, 1:24 AM

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pfft pfsense 😉

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 1:29 AM

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pfsense is great, what are you talking about?

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Not gonna make it anything that does SERIOUS routing, but for most stuff outside of the ISP space? yup.

tender hazel Apr 26, 2021, 1:31 AM

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I'm somewhat kidding, hence the wink.. but it depends on whether someone really needs a next gen firewall or a router that also has firewall features

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 1:31 AM

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Also, TOTALLY not a fan of it being freebsd, and their drama surrounding wireguard

plain siren Apr 26, 2021, 1:31 AM

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OPNSense is a thing too

tender hazel Apr 26, 2021, 1:33 AM

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I can see the use case for pfsense for businesses that want to block their employees from being able to access certain types of content

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i.e. as a fortigate substitute if you are on a budget

plain siren Apr 26, 2021, 1:34 AM

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tender hazel I can see the use case for pfsense for businesses that want to block their emplo...

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/security/defender-endpoint/web-content-filtering?view=o365-worldwide

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 1:34 AM

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I've seen it more it use cases where you need people that aren't hugely technical to be able to manage a router/firewall too. That's the reason my team uses it as the wan for our kits

plain siren Apr 26, 2021, 1:35 AM

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https://suricata-ids.org/ Also this

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 1:36 AM

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Ugh, suricata

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Currently in a protracted war with my team about snort3 being better

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Also, HARD no on anything routing packets doing any sniffing

plain siren Apr 26, 2021, 1:37 AM

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Also http://www.squidguard.org/ this too

tender hazel Apr 26, 2021, 1:40 AM

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thorny vector I've seen it more it use cases where you need people that aren't hugely technica...

I just joke about pfsense because it is frequently denigrated by mikrotik enthusiasts

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I haven't used it before myself, other than booting it up to have a quick look at it

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 1:42 AM

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Ah. Still haven't gotten around to getting a mikrotik device. Been planning a 10gbe upgrade for my lab, but even doing just the backbone network is cost prohibitive

thick minnow Apr 26, 2021, 1:43 AM

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if i have to use a vpn do i put I turn it on inside my virtual machine or on the host machine

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 1:43 AM

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The server?

thick minnow Apr 26, 2021, 1:43 AM

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no as a client like connecting

tender hazel Apr 26, 2021, 1:43 AM

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I've got mullvad VPN working on my mikrotik now at home

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but I have to disable it to get the full netflix library

thick minnow Apr 26, 2021, 1:44 AM

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i want to connect tot he vpn but i only want to use it inside a virtual machine

tender hazel Apr 26, 2021, 1:44 AM

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and it is only working with ipv4 at the moment

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 1:44 AM

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@thick minnow Then the VPN just inside the VM

thick minnow Apr 26, 2021, 1:44 AM

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Okay well i've got the vpn working inside the VM but it wont connect danSad

plain siren Apr 26, 2021, 1:44 AM

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thorny vector <@456226577798135808> Then the VPN just inside the VM

I was trying to figure out how to say this without being so... blunt

thick minnow Apr 26, 2021, 1:44 AM

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that's why I ask

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 1:45 AM

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I've actually disable ipv6 inside my actually lab. I hates it

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I also am very triggered by the RFC deciding that the smallest routable subnet is HALF OF THE ADDRESS SPACE

plain siren Apr 26, 2021, 1:45 AM

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mfw I disabled IPv4 in mine

tender hazel Apr 26, 2021, 1:46 AM

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it's not "smallest routable subnet"

thick minnow Apr 26, 2021, 1:46 AM

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how would I troubleshoot why it wont work

tender hazel Apr 26, 2021, 1:46 AM

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but for dynamic addressing (DHCPv6 IA_NA, SLAAC) you can't use anything other than a /64

plain siren Apr 26, 2021, 1:47 AM

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I mean, there is a good reason

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tender hazel Apr 26, 2021, 1:47 AM

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if you use static addressing, you can use any subnet size you want

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 1:47 AM

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I know I can make smaller subnets statically, but I don't want to do things static as I build and destroy stuff in my lab

plain siren Apr 26, 2021, 1:47 AM

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Why do you want them smaller?

tender hazel Apr 26, 2021, 1:48 AM

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the idea of using 64 bits for the host was that you could take the mac and use it to build the host address.. and not only that but a 48 bit mac has the potential for exhaustion, so increasing it to 64 bits means room for growth in the future

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when you have such a big address space it doesn't matter to be a bit wasteful

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 1:48 AM

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Because if the whole point of a new IP standard is so we don't overuse and overallocate, then being so wasteful bothers me

tender hazel Apr 26, 2021, 1:48 AM

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organize the address space in the way that makes the most sense even if it seems to waste a ton of addresses

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 1:49 AM

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It's the same reason I go on a warpath whenever I see a 10.0.0.0/8 network without a REEEEEAL good justification

plain siren Apr 26, 2021, 1:49 AM

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thorny vector Because if the whole point of a new IP standard is so we don't overuse and overa...

It was literally stated "overkill" in the first 4 sentences of the standard

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take your OCD and tuck it away this time

tender hazel Apr 26, 2021, 1:49 AM

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it only bothers you from perspective of comparing with IPv4 where you have to be very conservative

plain siren Apr 26, 2021, 1:49 AM

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IPv4 isnt even a comparison at this point.

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The fact you YEET NAT alone basically makes it a joke

tender hazel Apr 26, 2021, 1:50 AM

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when we designed our IPv6 space, we actually designed it from the perspective of making our firewall simpler

plain siren Apr 26, 2021, 1:50 AM

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https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7934

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 1:50 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/you-kids-get-off-my-lawn-cranky-old-man-suburbia-americana-gif-14239371

Tenor

tender hazel Apr 26, 2021, 1:50 AM

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ex. all monitoring software goes into a /40.. so if we add any new monitoring tools later, we can put them in there and not have to deploy firewall changes to our fleet of devices

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 1:51 AM

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lol
I know its coming, it just offends my ipv4 sensabilites

plain siren Apr 26, 2021, 1:51 AM

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IPv4 should offend the IPv6 greatness sense

leaden minnow Apr 26, 2021, 1:51 AM

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I’m trying to determine if I should ditch my UDM and build a router.

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 1:51 AM

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define "build a router"

waxen saddle Apr 26, 2021, 1:51 AM

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If your UDM is working, why ditch it?

leaden minnow Apr 26, 2021, 1:52 AM

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HP ProLiant with pfsense, an AP or two around the house.

plain siren Apr 26, 2021, 1:52 AM

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I think you are going to find that isnt as great as it seems

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 1:52 AM

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Cuz ubiquiti hack and pr nightmare

plain siren Apr 26, 2021, 1:52 AM

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Also their whole Lawsuit and their shitting all over GPL

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I hope they get bankrupted

tender hazel Apr 26, 2021, 1:53 AM

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I think "build a router" is from the LTT video where he built a router running pfsense

plain siren Apr 26, 2021, 1:53 AM

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the judge is literally YELLING in court at them

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The court docs are so funny

leaden minnow Apr 26, 2021, 1:53 AM

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Sometimes I am bad at choosing words.

tender hazel Apr 26, 2021, 1:54 AM

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I haven't been following the ubiquiti GPL thing

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but people have made the same complaints about mikrotik too

waxen saddle Apr 26, 2021, 1:54 AM

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I didn’t even know about it

plain siren Apr 26, 2021, 1:54 AM

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tender hazel I haven't been following the ubiquiti GPL thing

They are facing nearly 1M per violation + 10M for each "failure to deliver asks from court"

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They are currently at.... 9.5 BILLION

tender hazel Apr 26, 2021, 1:54 AM

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mikrotik only offers access to the source code if you pay like $25 for shipping and they will send you a floppy disk or CD of the source code changes

plain siren Apr 26, 2021, 1:55 AM

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I feel like no one ever reports these GPL violations like they should

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 1:56 AM

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Honestly, though, 25 for shipping and source ain't bad

tender hazel Apr 26, 2021, 1:56 AM

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I think the issue is that the GPL was created before it was conceived that you could just download everything

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so it has some verbage that says that you can provide access to the source code via fixed physical media but have a suitable charge for shipping

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so it is technically not a GPL violation in that regard

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at least as I understand it

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it is more that people are upset b/c these days there is no reason not to offer the source code changes online for free to everybody

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there is no need to restrict it to physical media and charge shipping

plain siren Apr 26, 2021, 1:59 AM

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tender hazel Apr 26, 2021, 1:59 AM

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so it is more that the "spirit" of the GPL that it violates, rather than the letter

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yup - as that says both physical media and distribution via the internet count

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so mikrotik distributing only via physical media and not via the internet doesn't technically violate the GPL

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although mind you I don't think they've made very many changes to GPL code to begin with

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I know with GRE they added keepalives

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with PPP they added BCP

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They added priority stuff to ebtables and iptables

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most of the other features they have developed are part of their own routing engine and are not GPL

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so when you buy the GPL code from them it doesn't really include most of the stuff that makes a mikrotik router work

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it only includes the features where, instead of developing it themselves, they extended an existing linux feature to add new capabilities to it

waxen saddle Apr 26, 2021, 2:05 AM

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I can’t find anything about a recent Ubiquiti GPL violation court case

plain siren Apr 26, 2021, 2:07 AM

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waxen saddle I can’t find anything about a recent Ubiquiti GPL violation court case

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/7616021/ubiquiti-networks-inc-v-cambium-networks-inc/

CourtListener

Docket for Ubiquiti Networks, Inc. v. Cambium Networks, Inc., 1:18-...

Docket for Ubiquiti Networks, Inc. v. Cambium Networks, Inc., 1:18-cv-05369 — Brought to you by the RECAP
Initiative and Free Law Project, a non-profit dedicated to creating high
quality open legal information.

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Cambium had software the replaced the Ubi firmware to Cambiums on UBI's WISP routers

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It was GPL

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Well..... Ubi sued Cambium saying COOOOPYYRIGHT

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Ehehehehe

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No

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Cambium turned around and wants payback

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Despite the "Settlement" there is 2 tag-ons currently going on by ... Hehehehe Mikrotik and Microsoft

waxen saddle Apr 26, 2021, 2:10 AM

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Aha. I was wondering why your link seemed to be referencing a case back in 2019. But if it’s Cambium going after Ubiquiti this time, that makes sense. Weird how Google does not seem to know about this 2021 case at all...

plain siren Apr 26, 2021, 2:13 AM

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OMEGALUL

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Cambium is straight up in their SEC filings they gonna jack all the other OEM's devices too

elfin wraith Apr 26, 2021, 2:21 AM

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btw

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didn't they settle that case out of court

plain siren Apr 26, 2021, 2:21 AM

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plain siren Despite the "Settlement" there is 2 tag-ons currently going on by ... Hehehehe M...

@elfin wraith

elfin wraith Apr 26, 2021, 2:21 AM

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wait ubnt uses mikrotik software too?

plain siren Apr 26, 2021, 2:21 AM

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no

elfin wraith Apr 26, 2021, 2:22 AM

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is this just generic gpl stuff now

plain siren Apr 26, 2021, 2:22 AM

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Yes

oblique cargo Apr 26, 2021, 4:22 AM

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dude is there like, any way to tell my internet to stop being an idiot

vale reef Apr 26, 2021, 4:32 AM

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oblique cargo dude is there like, any way to tell my internet to stop being an idiot

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet

oblique cargo Apr 26, 2021, 4:33 AM

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dude, like no lie, im too lazy for ethernet

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and wifi isnt as bad as is right now normally

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like its to the point where spotify is kinda shiz

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 4:35 AM

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Wired is the ultimate laziness

vale reef Apr 26, 2021, 4:35 AM

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Wired is just so much better and you have basically no issues compared to wireless

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If the wifi is where the issue is

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 4:35 AM

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plug and done. As for the wifi, you can check to see if its your access point or just your ISP connection by seeing if you have any latency issues to your router

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A ping test can sometimes indicate

oblique cargo Apr 26, 2021, 4:38 AM

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ducked shit is that a restart seemed to fix it

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keyword seemed

vale reef Apr 26, 2021, 4:39 AM

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That's the thing with wireless

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It randomly works and doesn't

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especially with a bad all-in-one router/access-point/switch/modem combo

oblique cargo Apr 26, 2021, 4:39 AM

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yeah

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its annoying

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cus i usually get rlly decent speeds all things considering

burnt epoch Apr 26, 2021, 6:08 AM

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My Wake On WAN command in Pulseway doesn't seem to work....are both the port numbers supposed to be 9?
[@ or reply to me so I can the message]

frigid pine Apr 26, 2021, 7:58 AM

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Hi. Is it possible and ok to use 2 default routes on one router, one of them being a floating route?

frigid pine Apr 26, 2021, 8:37 AM

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frigid pine Hi. Is it possible and ok to use 2 default routes on one router, one of them bei...

Basically this the network architecture. And I need to use the links to R3 with redundancy. One of the R3 links is acting as the main link always.

plain siren Apr 26, 2021, 8:41 AM

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frigid pine Basically this the network architecture. And I need to use the links to R3 with ...

We call this VRRP

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frigid pine Apr 26, 2021, 8:44 AM

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hmm I am still to learn VRRP and HSRP. Will have a look at this.

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But is it not possible with floating default routes if that's a thing?

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Also to mention, the routers R2, R3 and R4 are all Mikrotiks and I do not have any control over R1.

limpid lion Apr 26, 2021, 10:35 AM

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Anyone around that can help me sort out hairpin nat on a mikrotik?

frigid pine Apr 26, 2021, 10:41 AM

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limpid lion Anyone around that can help me sort out hairpin nat on a mikrotik?

Depends on your question. Just put it here some1 will help if they can.

limpid lion Apr 26, 2021, 10:43 AM

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frigid pine Depends on your question. Just put it here some1 will help if they can.

I have several apps running on a NAS, each in their own container and each with their own local IP. I have a reverse proxy (NPM) to access them from outside of the network but when putting the domain in form inside the network it doesn't route me. Someone told me hairpin nat is a good solution so I would like help setting up one that works with my network layout. Im very new with mikrotik routers and still not comfortable in the interface

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 10:47 AM

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You can also set up an internal DNS entry that routes it to the nas

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@limpid lion

limpid lion Apr 26, 2021, 10:48 AM

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would that be more convenient?

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 10:48 AM

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Yeah, and easier to setup

limpid lion Apr 26, 2021, 10:50 AM

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thorny vector Yeah, and easier to setup

Any pointers on how its done? Got a pihole acting as DNS server right now

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from what I understand I just go in the UI and under "local DNS record" I can add the domain / IP combo. But I do not understand since I can't add ports to the IP.

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 10:52 AM

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Why add ports? Just set the local dns record. If you're trying to do stuff with ports, you need a reverse proxy

limpid lion Apr 26, 2021, 10:54 AM

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ok so for example I want to access pictures.mydomain.com and files.mydomain.com and they both run on the ip 192.168.1.10 for example just on different ports. if I go to set the local dns record to pictures.mydomain.com and files.mydomain.com both pointing at 192.168.1.10 it wont work right?

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 10:54 AM

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It'll work. You just append the port at the end

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files.mydomain.com:8000, pictures.mydomain.com:8888

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Having multiple dns records point to the same target doesn't cause any conflicts

limpid lion Apr 26, 2021, 10:55 AM

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I cant append anything to either the domain and the IP

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 10:56 AM

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Not in the dns record, in the browser when you go to the page

limpid lion Apr 26, 2021, 10:57 AM

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I see

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any way to get around putting the port

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 10:57 AM

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Yes, setting up a reverse proxy for the hosts

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Then you point the DNS records at the reverse proxy, and depending on the url that gets requested, it passes the correct site

limpid lion Apr 26, 2021, 11:03 AM

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so if I have npm on .19 I can just add a new DNS record for images.mydomain.com to .19?

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 11:03 AM

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Yep

limpid lion Apr 26, 2021, 11:04 AM

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that doesn't seem to work

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 11:04 AM

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Why not?

limpid lion Apr 26, 2021, 11:04 AM

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not sure if I did something wrong, let me send screens one moment

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https://imgur.com/FLWK9uE
https://imgur.com/XHKTjSc

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so I have the local record pointing at npm and in npm I have set up for example images.mydomain.com is on 192.168.1.16:8080

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 11:07 AM

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when you say npm you mean node package manager?

limpid lion Apr 26, 2021, 11:07 AM

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nginx proxy manager

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sorry

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 11:07 AM

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And what do you get when you try to visit it?

limpid lion Apr 26, 2021, 11:08 AM

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ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 11:08 AM

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is port 443 open?

limpid lion Apr 26, 2021, 11:08 AM

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works find outside network

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just from the inside

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 11:09 AM

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and for the nginx, you passed the ports through?

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port 443 on the .19

limpid lion Apr 26, 2021, 11:09 AM

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yeah

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else it would not work outside as well, correct?

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 11:10 AM

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gimme a docker ps

limpid lion Apr 26, 2021, 11:12 AM

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https://imgur.com/74i4XgO

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thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 11:13 AM

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Alright, so that's fine. And you can visit the pages directly without being refused?

limpid lion Apr 26, 2021, 11:14 AM

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via the local ip?

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Yeah

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and via the domain from outside of the network

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both are fine

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 11:15 AM

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Alright, then just see what the nginx logs say. They'll have a reason why its being refused

limpid lion Apr 26, 2021, 11:17 AM

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know the location of the log files?

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 11:18 AM

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/var/log/nginx

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Unless the proxy manager dumps to host, you'll probably have to exec into the container

limpid lion Apr 26, 2021, 11:25 AM

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It just randomly started working now

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Didn't change anything

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maybe it just takes time from when I add the dns record to when it goes live?

thorny vector Apr 26, 2021, 11:26 AM

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MAybe

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Or just something incorrect being cached

limpid lion Apr 26, 2021, 11:29 AM

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thanks for the help

leaden quail Apr 26, 2021, 11:57 AM

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i don't exactly know if this is the right place to ask but, my house uses about 12 WiFi connected devices basically all the time, 3 of them are connected using an Ethernet cable, and the rest just regular WiFi, the problem is, we don't have a router, just the modem provided by our ISP, we bought the 250Mb/s plan, but im consistently getting less than 40Mb/s on my laptop which is connected with an Ethernet cable, can a router solve this problem? And would a TP link archer ax1500 be enough, because that's the router im currently considering to buy.

peak cloak Apr 26, 2021, 11:57 AM

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leaden quail i don't exactly know if this is the right place to ask but, my house uses about ...

ok to clear things up, you do have a router, it's just a modem/router combo unit

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as for recommendations idk, all I would reccomend is mikrotik

leaden quail Apr 26, 2021, 11:59 AM

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peak cloak ok to clear things up, you do have a router, it's just a modem/router combo unit

yeah, I have a combo unit sorry

vale reef Apr 26, 2021, 12:02 PM

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