#networking | Linus Tech Tips | Page 329

thick minnow Apr 22, 2021, 2:31 PM

#

and I have my pc connected to that via cable

#

regular ethernet

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 2:32 PM

#

#

Anotha one

peak cloak Apr 22, 2021, 2:34 PM

#

thick minnow and I have my pc connected to that via cable

Well then it's over wifi technically

thick minnow Apr 22, 2021, 2:35 PM

#

yeah well

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 2:35 PM

#

15 seconds cutting out, sounds like a broken AP

#

I have a netgear here that does the same

thick minnow Apr 22, 2021, 2:35 PM

#

how do I fix it?

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 2:36 PM

#

How old is that AP?

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 2:36 PM

#

Get a better AP

thick minnow Apr 22, 2021, 2:36 PM

#

and is it the fault from my pc?

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 2:37 PM

#

Probably not

thick minnow Apr 22, 2021, 2:38 PM

#

what does ap stand for

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 2:38 PM

#

Access Point

thick minnow Apr 22, 2021, 2:38 PM

#

oh alright

#

should I switch to wifi?

#

like on my pc

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 2:38 PM

#

Wait, wha

#

I thought you were on wireless

#

Does the problem persist if you are connected to the router with a cable??

thick minnow Apr 22, 2021, 2:39 PM

#

the router is not near me at all

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 2:39 PM

#

#

@peak cloak i spy

#

An RB2011

#

@thick minnow then how are you connected right now?

peak cloak Apr 22, 2021, 2:41 PM

#

tame carbon I thought you were on wireless

he is, via ethernet to one of those extenders with ethernet

#

so it's technically over wifi

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 2:41 PM

#

So wireless backhaul

hollow marlin Apr 22, 2021, 2:42 PM

#

The PPP header includes the session ID to differentiate them

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 2:42 PM

#

@hollow marlin wish you could be here, and laugh/cry at the poor wireless allocation

hollow marlin Apr 22, 2021, 2:42 PM

#

Im more interested in that APC design

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 2:42 PM

#

Three different SSIDs, 2.4Ghz 40Mhz channels

#

Yeah the UPS failed apparently

#

And they just bypassed it LOL

smoky estuary Apr 22, 2021, 2:45 PM

#

well... i need a new power strip, and a few more 10ft runs of cat5e, but soon i'll have hardline networking finished, no more wifi fluctuations

thick minnow Apr 22, 2021, 2:51 PM

#

tame carbon So wireless backhaul

yeah so what should I do?

frigid pine Apr 22, 2021, 3:00 PM

#

Can you show a picture of the amplifier?

frigid pine Apr 22, 2021, 3:01 PM

#

peak cloak he is, via ethernet to one of those extenders with ethernet

I think he is connected with patch panel. Coz who would need 3 wifi extenders.

peak cloak Apr 22, 2021, 3:04 PM

#

frigid pine I think he is connected with patch panel. Coz who would need 3 wifi extenders.

no 3 wireless extenders

#

"have one box downstairs, which sends to 3 amplifiers, of which 1 in my room"

frigid pine Apr 22, 2021, 3:11 PM

#

Hmm I hope they are not wifi extenders as they must be creating interference.

twin zealot Apr 22, 2021, 3:49 PM

#

tame carbon

looks like a fun job

#

is that the job that you applied for?

smoky estuary Apr 22, 2021, 4:05 PM

#

everything is connected but i dont have internet through my switch, only when i directly connect to the MoCA

#

anyone have experience with these?

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 4:06 PM

#

@twin zealot nah, this is the internet/wireless for my dad's camping

#

I'm making plans for them, we'll be rolling out a high density wireless network

#

Since they are going from 20mbit to 1000mbit

peak cloak Apr 22, 2021, 4:07 PM

#

smoky estuary everything is connected but i dont have internet through my switch, only when i ...

What's your full setup

smoky estuary Apr 22, 2021, 4:08 PM

#

smoky estuary anyone have experience with these?

this moca and switch
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07XYDG7WN/
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KFD0SMC/

#

wait

#

ok i did nothing but suddenly everything connected

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 4:11 PM

#

https://xkcd.com/2259/

xkcd: Networking Problems

smoky estuary Apr 22, 2021, 4:12 PM

#

i had been searching around for a solve on my laptop for like 10 minutes with it all sitting saying no connection and it just suddenly decided to work

#

dont you love it when a tech issue suddenly goes away and you have no idea what was wrong

peak cloak Apr 22, 2021, 4:13 PM

#

Probably something on layer 2

#

Some arp issue or something

#

Idk

hollow marlin Apr 22, 2021, 4:33 PM

#

peak cloak Probably something on layer 2

STP most likely. Tries to pull a lease, fails due to learning > forwarding. Then after sometime tries again and is successful. Ive seen some unmanaged switches that run STP for some reason

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 4:39 PM

#

@hollow marlin is there a known timeout for this?

hollow marlin Apr 22, 2021, 4:51 PM

#

For STP?

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 5:01 PM

#

Yes

frigid pine Apr 22, 2021, 5:02 PM

#

STP takes around 30-50sec while rstp takes 2 sec to converge if there is a loop.

hollow marlin Apr 22, 2021, 5:07 PM

#

tame carbon Yes

RSTP uses learning > forwarding for non-edge ports which is 30s. This is why port-fast is used as it bypasses right to forwarding

#

Only on links that are running RSTP will handshake and converge quickly

waxen scroll Apr 22, 2021, 5:27 PM

#

@hollow marlin i dont understand

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 5:29 PM

#

I really hate UniFi APs sometimes!!! Got three APs of the same type and same subnet at one location. One of them is offline. I can SSH into the AP and validate the AP name so I know I'm actually int he AP I think I'm in. But here's the crazy part. I can issue a reboot, but it won't show back up in my Controller as online. From an SSH session, I can ping Unifi DNS record and the IP of the controller.

I'm so close to issuing a factory reset of this damn thing. Makes ZERO SENSE. Grrrr

#

Set inform command doesn't help. So yeah, might have to wipe and re-adopt

#

Factory default fixed the issue. I was able to readopt after the fact. Crazyness. Something in the config must have been corrupted somehow.

tender hazel Apr 22, 2021, 6:03 PM

#

Yes, this exactly - the act of upgrading or whatever makes the problem go away temporarily because it gets a new lease afterwards and the new lease by chance is not flagged as in a "VPN" range

sour minnow Apr 22, 2021, 6:03 PM

#

This channel single handedly proves why you should move everything to the cloud

peak cloak Apr 22, 2021, 6:03 PM

#

sour minnow This channel single handedly proves why you should move everything to the cloud

nope

#

cloud is eh

thick minnow Apr 22, 2021, 6:12 PM

#

sour minnow This channel single handedly proves why you should move everything to the cloud

Spoken like a man without understanding
(Imma be honest I have a very vague understanding of networking but I do know that moving everything to the cloud is just moving the networking stuff onto someone else's shoulders, who are not always good or helpful and generally care about profits and don't give a single cent about privacy)

#

Tell me if I'm wrong

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 6:18 PM

#

sour minnow This channel single handedly proves why you should move everything to the cloud

you wat. KEKW

#

And who do you think has to run that cloud ?

#

Those are people who have a clue, are in here, sharing that knowledge.

waxen saddle Apr 22, 2021, 6:23 PM

#

I host my own “cloud”.

#

Just replace cloud with “a strangers computer” and you’ll understand what it really is - not yours.

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 6:24 PM

#

The Cloud depends on the cloud that depends on the cloud that depends on......recursive loop

#

But yeah, going to the cloud just pushes the problem to another location. It doesn't mean it will be managed any better or worse.

dusky flame Apr 22, 2021, 6:27 PM

#

anyone have experience with the HPE Aruba 1930 or Ubiquiti Unifi switch? They're similar price and I wonder if one is vastly better or they're on par

peak cloak Apr 22, 2021, 6:28 PM

#

dusky flame anyone have experience with the HPE Aruba 1930 or Ubiquiti Unifi switch? They're...

I would get arubua tbh

#

unifi is kinda a joke

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 6:29 PM

#

UniFi implies the need for the Controller for management. If you want web interface direct to the switch, than you want EdgeSwitch line

#

Aruba's are good though too

dusky flame Apr 22, 2021, 6:30 PM

#

the controller is just a simple software you install like their Access Points right?

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 6:31 PM

#

Yes

#

It's good for central management. I prefer EdgeSwitch though

peak cloak Apr 22, 2021, 6:31 PM

#

dusky flame the controller is just a simple software you install like their Access Points ri...

yeah, but it's not great

#

especially for enterprise

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 6:31 PM

#

Depending on the controller is a double-edge sword.

peak cloak Apr 22, 2021, 6:32 PM

#

it's very confusing

#

if you already have networking knowledge

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 6:32 PM

#

Yeah, I would agree

dusky flame Apr 22, 2021, 6:32 PM

#

oh, this is no where near enterprise setup. just a few cheap 48 poe switches with web management

#

So I guess the Aruba instant on is more reliable overall then?

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 6:33 PM

#

If the segment is down between the switch and controller, and you need direct access to the switch while inside the same segment, you're having to hit the CLI at that point which is very limiting

dusky flame Apr 22, 2021, 6:33 PM

#

if it's easier to navigate, that's a plus too.

peak cloak Apr 22, 2021, 6:33 PM

#

dusky flame oh, this is no where near enterprise setup. just a few cheap 48 poe switches wit...

if you want cheaper you can also look at mikrotik

sour minnow Apr 22, 2021, 6:33 PM

#

tame carbon And who do you think has to run that *cloud* ?

I really just need a network that won't ever fail and can scale as much as I need. The cloud is much better and more powerful for that. Not to mention cheaper

tender hazel Apr 22, 2021, 6:33 PM

#

the unifi switches don't even support MSTP just RSTP.. which might be ok I guess for really small companies, but it is a strange limitation

peak cloak Apr 22, 2021, 6:34 PM

#

the mikrotik 48 port poe though is pretty expensive

#

it has 4 sfp+

#

2 qsfp+

dusky flame Apr 22, 2021, 6:36 PM

#

also, I heard Aruba is newer version for the previous 3com hpe procurve switches? what's the equivalent of 1920s, is it the 1930 or the 2930

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 6:38 PM

#

Yeah, newer HP ProCurves are Aruba labeled last I checked. I had a client RMA one and he got an Aruba instead.

tender hazel Apr 22, 2021, 6:59 PM

#

peak cloak the mikrotik 48 port poe though is pretty expensive

the mikrotik 48 port PoE switch is only like $60 more than the Unifi one and the unifi one only has 2 SFP+ and no QSFP+

peak cloak Apr 22, 2021, 6:59 PM

#

tender hazel the mikrotik 48 port PoE switch is only like $60 more than the Unifi one and the...

oh really, I thought it was like 300

tender hazel Apr 22, 2021, 6:59 PM

#

no

peak cloak Apr 22, 2021, 6:59 PM

#

wow

#

yeah

tender hazel Apr 22, 2021, 6:59 PM

#

the unifi one is $835 USD

peak cloak Apr 22, 2021, 6:59 PM

#

expensive

#

then again

#

it's 48 ports

tender hazel Apr 22, 2021, 7:00 PM

#

yeah, the cost comes from the monster power supply you need to handle the 48 port PoE switching in one chassis

#

that's why you can't really get 48 port PoE switches with redundant PSUs

#

the one PSU is so big already that they can't fit a second

hollow marlin Apr 22, 2021, 7:09 PM

#

tender hazel the unifi one is $835 USD

Id rather get a used Juniper EX2300-48 than spend $800+ on a Unifi switch

tender hazel Apr 22, 2021, 7:22 PM

#

yeah $835 is way too expensive for a switch that is so feature limited

lone sun Apr 22, 2021, 8:30 PM

#

waxen saddle Just replace cloud with “a strangers computer” and you’ll understand what it rea...

🤷‍♂️ Yep, and that's all it really is. They got the whole world bamboozled with this magical sounding term "cloud" when its really just you putting trust in your own personal data in someone else's hands. 😒

waxen saddle Apr 22, 2021, 8:32 PM

#

Well, that was the goal.

snow lance Apr 22, 2021, 8:47 PM

#

good cheap gigabit switch? dont need anything fancy just need 2 ports

clear igloo Apr 22, 2021, 8:48 PM

#

several good 5 port ones on amazon for like $15

snow lance Apr 22, 2021, 8:50 PM

#

what model?

#

this one looks good

#

TP-Link LS1005G

tender hazel Apr 22, 2021, 8:51 PM

#

uh I think that is the model that this fiber ISP that we had a tour of a few years ago had bought a ton of

#

they were going to use them for customer premesis where they needed more ports, but they didn't deploy them becuase they found they would randomly stop passing traffic

#

so they had a few hundred of those in their warehouse in the original packaging collecting dust

snow lance Apr 22, 2021, 8:53 PM

#

oof lmao

tender hazel Apr 22, 2021, 8:53 PM

#

you could get a mikrotik RB260GS

clear igloo Apr 22, 2021, 8:53 PM

#

https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-5-Port-Gigabit-Ethernet-Unmanaged/dp/B07S98YLHM

snow lance Apr 22, 2021, 8:53 PM

#

oof 3 times as expensive

snow lance Apr 22, 2021, 8:53 PM

#

clear igloo https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-5-Port-Gigabit-Ethernet-Unmanaged/dp/B07S98YLHM

is this one good?

#

nowhere to be seen oof lmao

#

in denmark

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 8:54 PM

#

tender hazel they were going to use them for customer premesis where they needed more ports, ...

Has that been fixed with a firmware update? Or is that just a flawed chip design?

tender hazel Apr 22, 2021, 8:54 PM

#

they were unmanaged devices so I don't think there is any means of updating them

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 8:55 PM

#

What an engineering fiasco. Instant e-waste

snow lance Apr 22, 2021, 8:57 PM

#

so is there a good gigabit switch in the $20-25 range?

#

or is that just not a thing

clear igloo Apr 22, 2021, 8:57 PM

#

I've never heard issues with netgear small switches so i'd try to find one of those in the 5 port option

snow lance Apr 22, 2021, 8:58 PM

#

what is poe and poe+

clear igloo Apr 22, 2021, 8:59 PM

#

power over ethernet, provides power to devices that can use it

#

access points, cameras, etc. can use poe so you don't need to use a wall port

snow lance Apr 22, 2021, 8:59 PM

#

is this good

snow lance Apr 22, 2021, 8:59 PM

#

clear igloo power over ethernet, provides power to devices that can use it

ah

clear igloo Apr 22, 2021, 8:59 PM

#

Seems to just be the PoE version of the GS305 and no harm using it with something that doesn't support it so that looks good to me if the price is good

snow lance Apr 22, 2021, 9:00 PM

#

poge

#

i will get when get my dad gets his shit together and buy a router with gigabit ports lmao

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:02 PM

#

snow lance good cheap gigabit switch? dont need anything fancy just need 2 ports

dont need a switch for two ports :P

snow lance Apr 22, 2021, 9:03 PM

#

waht

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:03 PM

#

smallest ones are usually 5 ports

snow lance Apr 22, 2021, 9:03 PM

#

my grandma has a 2 port switch

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:04 PM

#

sounds kinda useless, a 2 port switch

#

in what way, does it switch lol ?

clear igloo Apr 22, 2021, 9:04 PM

#

That's a splitter, best case you get 100Mbps on each port

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:06 PM

#

@snow lance if you don't need PoE, TL-SG105

snow lance Apr 22, 2021, 9:06 PM

#

the non poe version is not in denmark

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:06 PM

#

Its 16 euros

tender hazel Apr 22, 2021, 9:06 PM

#

askejm - this is twice the cost of the netgear? https://tikdis.com/product/rb260gs/

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:06 PM

#

on amazon :P

#

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81GowTFc3jL._AC_SL1500_.jpg

#

nothing fancy

snow lance Apr 22, 2021, 9:07 PM

#

tender hazel askejm - this is twice the cost of the netgear? https://tikdis.com/product/rb260...

ye about

tender hazel Apr 22, 2021, 9:07 PM

#

when I convert 40 USD to danish kroener I get 247

snow lance Apr 22, 2021, 9:07 PM

#

i use pricerunner.dk

tender hazel Apr 22, 2021, 9:08 PM

#

oh ok

#

that distributor is in denmark

#

that's why I gave that link

snow lance Apr 22, 2021, 9:08 PM

#

ah lmao ya

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:08 PM

#

That SG-105 costs 119 kroners :P

#

its unmanaged

#

so no config options

#

its a plain bridge, with nothing special

snow lance Apr 22, 2021, 9:08 PM

#

my friend said tplink bad

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:09 PM

#

@snow lance yeah, thats why it is so cheap :P

snow lance Apr 22, 2021, 9:09 PM

#

hmhmhm

#

he say it always break

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:09 PM

#

Those switches are fine

#

there's not much you can mess up with an unmanaged switch

snow lance Apr 22, 2021, 9:10 PM

#

finrod was just talking about some unmanaged tplink switch that would randomly stop passing traffic

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:13 PM

#

68747470733a2f2f6269746275636b65742e6f72672f7265706f2f78724c5870622f696d616765732f313039353934323831.png

#

RTL8367

tender hazel Apr 22, 2021, 9:13 PM

#

yeah.. it was a tplink 5 port unmanaged model, we were given a tour of the fiber ISP a few years ago.. I noticed hundreds of them stacked up in some high shelf and asked what they were for.. they said they were going to use them for small switches when they needed more connections into one of their ONTs but they would randomly stop passing traffic so they bought them all and couldn't use them

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:13 PM

#

Most basic-ass switching chip in existence.

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:13 PM

#

Realtek, blah

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:13 PM

#

It works

#

It has snooping capabilities, and leaves VLAN headers intact :P

#

what more do you want from an unmanaged switch?

#

its 16 quid xD

snow lance Apr 22, 2021, 9:14 PM

#

poge

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:14 PM

#

I had a netgear 5 port switch start to flake out on gigabit. Turned out it was a dried out cap. Replaced it and it was full gigabit saturation goodness. In hindsight it makes perfect sense, the throughput will drop on a starved chip

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:15 PM

#

Yeah but you get what you pay for

#

Those mikrotiks are rated for something liek 150000 hours MTBF

#

which is 20 years~

#

Tplink.... KEKW

snow lance Apr 22, 2021, 9:15 PM

#

yes i heard mikrotik is good

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:15 PM

#

Its just quality engineering

#

But if you just need a cheapo switch for your desk to plug in a 2nd device

snow lance Apr 22, 2021, 9:15 PM

#

tplink looks good enough, i dont need it for anything especially fancy or serious

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:16 PM

#

just get that Tplink :P

snow lance Apr 22, 2021, 9:16 PM

#

i need the

#

my pc and router

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:16 PM

#

Yeah, not always an issue with a chip, just sub-par components specced out to feed them.

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:16 PM

#

^

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:16 PM

#

Noise filtering..etc

snow lance Apr 22, 2021, 9:16 PM

#

isee

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:16 PM

#

Power conditioning, noise filtering, surge protection, etc.

#

Mikrotiks are mostly favored because of the flexibility that they have when you configure them

#

but there's literally nothing interesting about unmanaged switches.

#

so who cares :D

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:17 PM

#

I never cared for Mikrotiks. I don't like their interface / paradigm

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:17 PM

#

mtik > all else (in consumer space)

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:17 PM

#

I don't have an issue with performance or reliability

#

Fortigate 🙂

#

Next Gen firewall

#

Hate Sonicwall now

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:18 PM

#

I love my RB4011 :)

tender hazel Apr 22, 2021, 9:18 PM

#

we manage a bunch of fortigates, we have for many years.. I'm not necessarily a huge fan

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:18 PM

#

https://i.mt.lv/cdn/rb_images/1633_l.jpg

tender hazel Apr 22, 2021, 9:19 PM

#

but also our guy who manages the fortigates does.. weird things sometimes

#

he makes his own config in winmerge and then uses the restore feature to restore it to the device

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:19 PM

#

It's a religion I guess lol

tender hazel Apr 22, 2021, 9:19 PM

#

but the fortigate doesn't parse for invalid configuration when you restore

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:19 PM

#

Can't talk about religion here

#

lol

tender hazel Apr 22, 2021, 9:20 PM

#

so in some cases the device would end up with a config that was incorrect and you couldn't remove it because the syntax was wrong

#

and then bizarre things would happen

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:20 PM

#

@copper rover I like mikrotik because they don't impose limits on you. If you wrangle the config, you can make it do whatever you want

#

Even if it wasn't made for that purpose

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:21 PM

#

@tender hazel The biggest issue I've seen with Fortigate is people not following the recommended upgrade path. That introduces all sorts of issues into the config if not careful.

tender hazel Apr 22, 2021, 9:22 PM

#

yes

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:23 PM

#

KEKW https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2sGmKhzYDuQ/maxresdefault.jpg

#

kek

#

I can smell the quality from over here

#

tbh, why not just review the switching chip inside, all the stuff around it is not interesting

#

not at this pricepoint

tender hazel Apr 22, 2021, 9:24 PM

#

I love how the tplink logo is distorted becuase they didn't even bother to hold shift when resizing it

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:25 PM

#

@tender hazel I took some excellent photos last 2 days

#

from all the networking mess I encountered

tender hazel Apr 22, 2021, 9:25 PM

#

yes, i saw the photos

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:25 PM

#

#

RB450G lol

#

they dont even sell those anymore I think

tender hazel Apr 22, 2021, 9:25 PM

#

yes it is an old model

#

they don't sell them anymore

#

I don't know why they are using all those poe injectors

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:26 PM

#

@tender hazel here's more ^

#

tender hazel Apr 22, 2021, 9:26 PM

#

the UPS mounted up side down at the top of the cabinet is just fantastic too

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:26 PM

#

@tender hazel NOT USED :D

#

Because it failed at some point

#

so the ISP was like: meh, ill bypass.

#

and its not the first UPS that failed. the main router has another one of those..

#

#

here's another one of those

#

brilliant.

#

best part: there's a 12 port PoE switch next to this enclosure

#

with only 2 devices plugged in KEKW

#

@tender hazel also, I did some testing, and I concluded that putting an AP on the hill is terrible.

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:29 PM

#

I bet that UPS battery is more than 5 years, no?

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:29 PM

#

I'll be putting an AP up on a pole, at the base of the hill, pointing at the hill

#

This way, you can get line of sight to the AP, regardless of where you are

#

the current AP is on the roof, some 40 meters further away, and signal is just too weak. -75dBm

#

@copper rover probably yeah. Its been there for a long time now

#

@copper rover the most stupid thing about this entire network. The home wireless they provide, is the ONLY non-mikrotik device they have.

#

Its a netgear AP, and it constantly drops connection

#

I plugged in the AP I brought with me, just so I can have this conversation with you guys

#

without having to scream at my PC

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:33 PM

#

And how much did they charge their subscribers? Someone banked on that cheap-ass solution

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:33 PM

#

@copper rover so it was a uhm.. ( cant translate idioms)..

#

They signed the contract, or they wouldn't have internet at all

#

and in return, the ISP was allowed to sell wifi-vouchers to guests

#

Now that we get fiber soon, all of this is going bye-bye

#

and we do it ourselves.

#

#

This is the tower that provides service to the place ^

#

its a 1.5km ptp link

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:35 PM

#

I bet the connection goes down when bird lands on it

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:35 PM

#

it drops packets even without birds

#

~1.5% on average

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:36 PM

#

Yeah, it's done.

#

put a fork in it

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:36 PM

#

And the service they provide, isn't even flatrate. xD

#

They charge per gigabyte

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:36 PM

#

Geez, that's pretty insulting

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:36 PM

#

It was either that, or ISDN

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:37 PM

#

You mean DSL? I don't think ISDN is even available in the US anymore. If I recall, it was big in Europe

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:37 PM

#

ISDN.

#

Germany :P

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:37 PM

#

128k?

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:37 PM

#

something like that

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:37 PM

#

And I though 1.44 T1 was bad

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:37 PM

#

its old telephone wires

#

@copper rover basically, the goal is to have this ISP take down their equipment

#

and we'll be replacing the ptp across the campinggrounds with 60GHz backhaul

#

https://mikrotik.com/product/mantbox_52_15s#fndtn-specifications

MikroTik

MikroTik is a Latvian company which was founded in 1996 to develop routers and wireless ISP systems. MikroTik now provides hardware and software for Internet connectivity in most of the countries around the world.

#

and then using these for public access ^

#

The WAN will be a 1G fiber optic line

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:39 PM

#

So Fiber --> 52 15s --> to AP repeaters?

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:40 PM

#

Nah, those mANTboxes will be the APs

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:40 PM

#

So fiber per AP?

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:40 PM

#

@copper rover https://mikrotik.com/product/wireless_wire_cube

MikroTik

MikroTik is a Latvian company which was founded in 1996 to develop routers and wireless ISP systems. MikroTik now provides hardware and software for Internet connectivity in most of the countries around the world.

#

This will be the backhaul to feed the APs

#

Going back to the main building, that one has a big pole on the roof

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:41 PM

#

Interesting

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:41 PM

#

So 60GHz to distribute the network, and those sector antennas to provide access to users

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:42 PM

#

Price ain't bad

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:42 PM

#

Yup

#

@copper rover core router will be another RB4011

#

that one can manage all the wireless access points, take care of authentication

#

and firewall the whole thing up

#

public access, business use, and private home use.

#

VLANs ❤️

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:44 PM

#

Yeah, I've seen how VLANs are managed in a MicroTik. Pretty easy

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:44 PM

#

That RB4011 has a 10G SFP+ port

#

perfect for a managed switch

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:45 PM

#

Well, sure, if you got the fiber to feed it gigabit and above

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:45 PM

#

@copper rover my home network is kinda why I got into mikrotik in the first place :)

#

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/776722183119699988/777646103775674368/IMG-20200922-WA0001.jpg

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:46 PM

#

If I got with a switch at home, i'll prolly go with an EdgeRouter

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:47 PM

#

https://i.mt.lv/cdn/rb_images/1301_l.jpg

#

Pair it with one of these ^

#

get a cheap Direct-attach cable

#

for 10G

#

The switching chips on the RB4011 are nothing special

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:47 PM

#

Right now I've got an Apple AirPort (AC) with a cheap netgear PoE switch. It's cheap, but does the job. The WiFi is surprisingly good! I really hope that lasts. If it dies, I'll be looking into WiFi 6.

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:47 PM

#

but the CRS326 has Maxwell 98DX chips, which are very powerful

#

@copper rover yeah I can't wait for mtik to embark on the WiFi 6 magic

#

up until now, its all WiFi 4/5

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:48 PM

#

With the chip shortage, there's a lot of networking gear that's 1 to 2 months on backorder. Suckage

#

Or so I've been informed

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:49 PM

#

There's lot of vendors here you can buy mikrotik from

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:49 PM

#

I'm sure that's true of APs, so WiFi 6 equipment I'm sure is slowly rolling out

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:49 PM

#

@copper rover yeah but in this situation I am in, I have no need for wifi 6

#

its in a valley, we don't even have phone service here

#

I control the entire RF space here

#

WiFi 6 only really benefits from high density deployments, with lots of other APs in the area

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:52 PM

#

WiFi 6 is awesome. It's basically wireless Ethernet. I don't care about throughput. I DO care about low latency and little to no packet loss compared with AC. It will be perfect for Urban areas such as apartment complexes and office space where RF is crowded. The SNR sucks badly because of it.

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:52 PM

#

yep

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:52 PM

#

Could finally have reliable VOIP over WiFi standard

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:53 PM

#

@copper rover have you seen the managed wireless solution that RouterOS has ?

#

CAPsMAN

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:54 PM

#

I have not. I've only touched RouterOS a few time. Specifically, I haven't touched anything managed WiFi related

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:54 PM

#

@copper rover you basically create a template "configuration" https://i.imgur.com/KMKC3lR.png

#

#

And then you assign access points to this configuration

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:55 PM

#

Yeah I'm familiar with that paradigm.

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:55 PM

#

I think its really neat, and the fact that it works on their cheapest of devices

#

Starting at $20

#

Easily roll out a scalable wireless network

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:56 PM

#

For the value, yeah, totally. But the feature itself, it's standard to me

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:56 PM

#

with many types of APs

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:56 PM

#

Well, ideally should be matching same hardware per profile as a best-practice

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:57 PM

#

@copper rover even then, you can create a profile for those APs

#

but let them share their datapath

#

https://i.imgur.com/47DC42r.png

Imgur

copper rover Apr 22, 2021, 9:57 PM

#

But those settings in the GUI looks all standard so, prolly not a bad thing here

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 9:58 PM

#

https://i.imgur.com/JzG9voO.png

Imgur

#

This is on the actual AP ^

#

You'd enable CAP managing for a specific interface

#

and then it becomes unavailable, until configured by CAPsMAN

hollow marlin Apr 22, 2021, 10:09 PM

#

That metarouter looks like Junipers logical-systems

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 10:09 PM

#

@hollow marlin yeah but does it actually launch a VM with RouterOS ?

#

I dont have this option on my RB4011

#

but strangely enough, this metal52ac does...

hollow marlin Apr 22, 2021, 10:11 PM

#

Not a clue. Junos would create new tables for the instances but I don't think it was in a container.

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 10:11 PM

#

@hollow marlin mikrotik documentation even writes about compiling OpenWRT for use as a metarouter

#

ment for WISPs who want to give subscribers the option of setting up their own FW rules without having access to the ISP side of things

tender hazel Apr 22, 2021, 10:20 PM

#

the reviews I was reading of the unifi 6 APs suggest that they really only perform about 10-20% better than AC

#

at least at the moment

hollow marlin Apr 22, 2021, 10:21 PM

#

@tame carbon Yeah similar to what logical systems are used for. It's handy for some situations but for our use would be very limited. It's nice for low power labs though

tender hazel Apr 22, 2021, 10:22 PM

#

mikrotik has more or less abandoned metarouter

tame carbon Apr 22, 2021, 10:27 PM

#

yawn off to bed

mellow knoll Apr 23, 2021, 2:18 AM

#

hi um should i get a wifi repeater or a wifi router to get better wifi coverage ?

thick minnow Apr 23, 2021, 2:38 AM

#

mellow knoll hi um should i get a wifi repeater or a wifi router to get better wifi coverage ...

Repeater

mellow knoll Apr 23, 2021, 2:38 AM

#

thick minnow Repeater

but the router also works as a switch and i need 2 ethernet ports

thick minnow Apr 23, 2021, 2:40 AM

#

To use router as an extender u have to set it up separately, having repeater save some time and would be cheaper than a whole router

mellow knoll Apr 23, 2021, 2:41 AM

#

the router i want is cheaper and has enough ethernet ports that i need

thick minnow Apr 23, 2021, 2:41 AM

#

Then go for it

#

If ethernet is also needed

mellow knoll Apr 23, 2021, 2:41 AM

#

it has no mesh, but i think that's fine if i have 2 ssid's

thick minnow Apr 23, 2021, 2:42 AM

#

Mesh is even costlier than repeaters

patent trout Apr 23, 2021, 2:42 AM

#

you can also just set the SSID to the same on both routers

mellow knoll Apr 23, 2021, 2:43 AM

#

thick minnow Mesh is even costlier than repeaters

the one from my manufacturers router would cost me 60€ and even then i would still need a seperate network switch

mellow knoll Apr 23, 2021, 2:43 AM

#

patent trout you can also just set the SSID to the same on both routers

how does that work?

patent trout Apr 23, 2021, 2:43 AM

#

same way a mesh network works. The device will switch between both access points depending on how strong they are

thick minnow Apr 23, 2021, 2:44 AM

#

mellow knoll how does that work?

Tplink has an app to do it automatically

#

Mentioned if it is that

mellow knoll Apr 23, 2021, 2:44 AM

#

my router is from AVM

mellow knoll Apr 23, 2021, 2:44 AM

#

thick minnow Tplink has an app to do it automatically

yeah the one i wanna get for my room is from tp link

#

even tho i get mostly 50up and 300 down in my room, the signal still makes problems in that distance to my room

thick minnow Apr 23, 2021, 2:45 AM

#

Is this the new one or the one you already have

mellow knoll Apr 23, 2021, 2:46 AM

#

the one i have

thick minnow Apr 23, 2021, 2:47 AM

#

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tplink.tether
Download this app to set it as an extender

TP-Link Tether - Apps on Google Play

TP-Link Tether provides the easiest way to access and manage your devices.

#

The tplink one

mellow knoll Apr 23, 2021, 2:48 AM

#

luckily i have ethernet up to my pc, but the wifi signal is like shitty some times. at the point where stuff doesn't load and i have to reload the app or switch to cellular and back to wifi

mellow knoll Apr 23, 2021, 2:48 AM

#

thick minnow https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tplink.tether Download this ap...

oh ok thanks

#

i wanna get this one: TP-Link Archer C6

thick minnow Apr 23, 2021, 2:49 AM

#

And one more advice, don't just reveal the brand or model number of your router in public forums

mellow knoll Apr 23, 2021, 2:49 AM

#

i doubt i will have over a gigabit internet anytime soon

mellow knoll Apr 23, 2021, 2:49 AM

#

thick minnow And one more advice, don't just reveal the brand or model number of your router ...

why exactly?

thick minnow Apr 23, 2021, 2:50 AM

#

You never know what vulnerabilities it has, and it's a help for hackers

#

Saves a lot of time for them

thorny vector Apr 23, 2021, 2:51 AM

#

thick minnow You never know what vulnerabilities it has, and it's a help for hackers

Doesn't matter. Most SOHO router exploits take fractions of a second to run. Routers are always getting hit with attempts, and any targeted attacker will be able to pull info from scans

mellow knoll Apr 23, 2021, 2:51 AM

#

thick minnow You never know what vulnerabilities it has, and it's a help for hackers

that's true

thorny vector Apr 23, 2021, 2:51 AM

#

Best thing to do is keep your router updated and ports closed.

mellow knoll Apr 23, 2021, 2:52 AM

#

luckily my router gets automatic updates from my isp

#

so i just ordered the tp link one, idk if it will make it better, but it's half cheaper than the AVM mesh repeater and built in "ethernet switch"

thorny vector Apr 23, 2021, 2:54 AM

#

That will keep you safe from most "hackers". If you're being actually targeted for whatever reason, them know what your edge router is is the least of your concerns

mellow knoll Apr 23, 2021, 2:54 AM

#

yeah makes sense

#

is there anything specific that i have to set up so the router will work as an access point? @thick minnow

thick minnow Apr 23, 2021, 2:58 AM

#

Follow the setup instructions for extender configuration in the app

mellow knoll Apr 23, 2021, 3:02 AM

#

alright thanks

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 8:53 AM

#

@thick minnow you buy a tplink.. and worry about security @mellow knoll

#

You'll be lucky if you get even a single firmware upgrade

#

Most of my tplinks only got 1-2, and regardless of that, died after 3 years of use. (Constant packet loss)

#

If you are using NAT, generally, you don't have to worry about 'hackers'.

Change default password on the device, and DISABLE UPnP

#

UPnP is just asking for trojans

thick minnow Apr 23, 2021, 9:27 AM

#

Yeah that's true tplink does provide poor customer service, still it isn't ethical to expose exploitable info publicly

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 9:29 AM

#

@thick minnow what.

#

Its unethical not to

thick minnow Apr 23, 2021, 9:31 AM

#

tame carbon Its unethical not to

Not to what ?

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 9:32 AM

#

If devices are exploitable, it must be disclosed.

#

Responsible disclosure to the maintainer, if they don't fix it. You publicly release it.

thick minnow Apr 23, 2021, 9:32 AM

#

It's proprietary

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 9:33 AM

#

So?

thick minnow Apr 23, 2021, 9:34 AM

#

Unless and until they have millions of complaints, they won't even bother to have a look

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 9:34 AM

#

So yes, you disclose it publicly

#

So everyone can see what a shit company it is

#

This is normal, and everday business in security research

thick minnow Apr 23, 2021, 9:35 AM

#

Doesn't matter as they are already established

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 9:35 AM

#

So I warn people not to buy TPlink

thick minnow Apr 23, 2021, 9:35 AM

#

Normies would say "I don't care"

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 9:35 AM

#

Because of their poor engineering, and shitty software

#

It does no effort in protecting against CSRF

thick minnow Apr 23, 2021, 9:35 AM

#

tame carbon Because of their poor engineering, and shitty software

Still better than D-Link

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 9:36 AM

#

All consumer brands are same garbage

#

@thick minnow there's actually a router manufacturer worse than dlink

#

ASUS.

thick minnow Apr 23, 2021, 9:37 AM

#

Can't say about that

#

Never used it

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 9:37 AM

#

I've come across many a problems with their implementation

#

Like running out of disk space when giving out dhcp leases

#

To, improperly handling upstream dns servers

thick minnow Apr 23, 2021, 9:38 AM

#

tame carbon Like running out of disk space when giving out dhcp leases

Lol

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 9:38 AM

#

Forcing redirects to their hostname router.asus.com if you use an IP addresses

#

If you use 1.1.1.1 you cannot access router settings

#

Their web config is bloated with javascript and it's full of bugs

#

@thick minnow like tplink, they don't really patch them after release.

#

And they are overpriced

#

Lack tonns of features

#

I could go on

#

But you get the gist

thick minnow Apr 23, 2021, 9:40 AM

#

Hmm

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 9:41 AM

#

Best psrt

#

Part*

#

Their new 8 legged router, with 2.5G ports, can't even saturate that speed

#

Its cpu bottlenecked, and does only 1.7gbit

#

And it costs $500

#

For that money, you can buy not one, but two RB4011s

#

And that router does 10G

thick minnow Apr 23, 2021, 9:45 AM

#

Seems that Asus is quite bad on this side

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 9:45 AM

#

They should stick to gaming gpus and mediocre laptops

#

Leave the networking to experts

#

@thick minnow not something I'd buy. I have this one without Wireless. https://mikrotik.com/product/rb4011igs_5hacq2hnd_in

MikroTik

MikroTik is a Latvian company which was founded in 1996 to develop routers and wireless ISP systems. MikroTik now provides hardware and software for Internet connectivity in most of the countries around the world.

#

But it basically mops the floor

#

The device has an operating system preinstalled and licensed. No separate purchase is necessary and the product is ready to use. The device includes free software updates for the life of the product or a minimum of 5 years starting from date of purchase..

#

Some of their oldest gear has had updates for 10 years now

graceful merlin Apr 23, 2021, 10:30 AM

#

hi

#

does 1 g lan router work on a 2.5g lan motherboard?

#

my router has 1g lan

#

but i'm going to build a pc which has 2.5 g

#

lan

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 10:31 AM

#

Will it work,yes

timber imp Apr 23, 2021, 10:31 AM

#

yeah just won't run at 2.5g speeds

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 10:31 AM

#

Will you get 2.5g speeds, no

graceful merlin Apr 23, 2021, 10:32 AM

#

peak cloak Will you get 2.5g speeds, no

my speed is 200mbps

#

so it will work

#

right?

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 10:32 AM

#

I mean like locally

#

But yeah

graceful merlin Apr 23, 2021, 10:32 AM

#

i just want 200mbps

#

anyway thanks

#

🙂

graceful merlin Apr 23, 2021, 11:01 AM

#

tame carbon <@456226577798135808> not something I'd buy. I have this one without Wireless. h...

why u guys are always recommending mikrotik???

thorny vector Apr 23, 2021, 11:07 AM

#

It's very good quality networking gear at affordable prices

graceful merlin Apr 23, 2021, 11:10 AM

#

thorny vector It's very good quality networking gear at affordable prices

"affordable" ?!?!?!?!?!?!?

#

u must be joking

thorny vector Apr 23, 2021, 11:10 AM

#

Yeah. When talking about "real" networking gear, it is.

thick minnow Apr 23, 2021, 11:11 AM

#

graceful merlin "affordable" ?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Compare it to unifi or something

thorny vector Apr 23, 2021, 11:11 AM

#

Or cisco, or juniper, or dell, etc

thick minnow Apr 23, 2021, 11:13 AM

#

yeah

#

and it uses routeros

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 11:19 AM

#

graceful merlin u must be joking

Yep, it is

#

Real networking gear can be expensive

graceful merlin Apr 23, 2021, 11:21 AM

#

in india those are hella pricey

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 11:31 AM

#

graceful merlin in india those are hella pricey

They are everywhere.. but you dont need such high tech stuff, that stuff is meant for pros and like manufacturers or some shop or something.

#

And for what they are build, theyre cheap

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 11:34 AM

#

@graceful merlin yeah pretty much what @thorny vector said

#

If you want enterprise features for a good price, look no further

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 11:37 AM

#

Would i be able to somehow oc my networkchip to be able to pull off 1.1gbits instead of 1?

radiant shell Apr 23, 2021, 11:37 AM

#

no

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 11:38 AM

#

Or is there like no way even if i would completly rewrite its code?

#

Like i know for a fact that you can reduce the timing or whatever of basically everything that runs of an clock or something..

#

Like a memory chip may say 0.1ms to get the signal, but it might do 0.05ms too

radiant shell Apr 23, 2021, 11:39 AM

#

but you have to think of the other end of your connection aswell

#

because its a link speed not an individual device speed

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 11:40 AM

#

radiant shell but you have to think of the other end of your connection aswell

Well, that would be an 2.5gbits there, so it would just need to sync up right?

radiant shell Apr 23, 2021, 11:41 AM

#

yes they need to be the same

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 11:42 AM

#

Mhm. So i could technically writa a script that gives like an info to the other side to "overclock" and then they would both go on a stable connection afterwards?

#

(like if one maybe just does 1.05 but the other can 1.5 they just do 1.05?

#

(but they talk to each other first over like 100mbits?

radiant shell Apr 23, 2021, 11:43 AM

#

Its not just a CPU you can overclock. what your saying is the exact reason for the IEEE 802.3 standard to exist

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 11:43 AM

#

Yes i know.

radiant shell Apr 23, 2021, 11:44 AM

#

if you want faster, you need a faster NIC

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 11:44 AM

#

But like, it would just be in my circut, so basically im gonna make my "own" standart

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 11:44 AM

#

crystal shale But like, it would just be in my circut, so basically im gonna make my "own" sta...

very hard

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 11:44 AM

#

peak cloak very hard

?

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 11:44 AM

#

that's like rewritting drivers and firmware level

#

you need to reverse engineer it

#

too

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 11:45 AM

#

peak cloak that's like rewritting drivers and firmware level

I would stear it not in windows.

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 11:45 AM

#

and it actually may not be possible because of hardware acceleration in the NIC

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 11:45 AM

#

crystal shale I would stear it not in windows.

?

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 11:45 AM

#

It would be something like Ben Eaters pc

#

But better

#

Like basically one microcontroller sending data to an another, no real pc there

#

Or well, there is, but i would make it from scratch

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 11:48 AM

#

crystal shale Like basically one microcontroller sending data to an another, no real pc there

yeah so you basically want to reinvent 10Base-T

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 11:48 AM

#

But even in windows, i would "just" need to make it an standart that they oc themselfs and sell that to the industry xD

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 11:49 AM

#

you won't get it close to gigabit

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 11:49 AM

#

peak cloak yeah so you basically want to reinvent 10Base-T

No-

#

I doubt that

radiant shell Apr 23, 2021, 11:50 AM

#

the "industry" wont want a network adapter they has an overclock function. something called reliability says no

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 11:50 AM

#

if they want faster, they get a faster NIC

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 11:50 AM

#

I just want that they like have an protocol to oc them first finding the quickest stable speed and then use it

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 11:50 AM

#

simple as that

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 11:50 AM

#

peak cloak if they want faster, they get a faster NIC

But they could be oced too

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 11:51 AM

#

crystal shale I just want that they like have an protocol to oc them first finding the quickes...

that exists...

#

just there is a max speed

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 11:51 AM

#

radiant shell the "industry" wont want a network adapter they has an overclock function. somet...

Well, no, it would need to be an stable oc.

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 11:51 AM

#

a 1000Base-T nic is limited to gigabit

radiant shell Apr 23, 2021, 11:51 AM

#

its called negotiation, every nic performs it when your first connect it

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 11:51 AM

#

^

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 11:51 AM

#

peak cloak just there is a max speed

Yeah but remove that limit-

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 11:51 AM

#

crystal shale Yeah but remove that limit-

there is no imposed limit...

radiant shell Apr 23, 2021, 11:51 AM

#

if its a stable OC then it doesnt need to be an OC

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 11:52 AM

#

it's a hardware limit

#

it's not

#

if(faster_than_gig){
  dont();
}```

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 11:52 AM

#

Brb

radiant shell Apr 23, 2021, 11:53 AM

#

https://www.fs.com/au/products/110530.html

FS Australia

Cisco QDD-400G-SR8-S Compatible 400GBASE-SR8 QSFP-DD PAM4 850nm 100...

Cisco QDD-400G-SR8-S Compatible 400GBASE-SR8 QSFP-DD PAM4 850nm 100m DOM MTP/MPO MMF Optical Transceiver Module,Product Specification,Product Specification:Cisco Compatible:QDD-400G-SR8-S:Vendor Name:FS,Product Specification:Cisco Compatible:QDD-400G-SR8-S:Vendor Name:FS:Form Factor:QSFP-DD:Max Data Rate:400Gbps

#

that will solve your issue

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 11:53 AM

#

just get yourself a QSFP-DD switch/router...

radiant shell Apr 23, 2021, 11:54 AM

#

https://www.fs.com/au/products/96982.html

FS Australia

FS N9500-32D 32-Port 400Gb QSFP-DD L3 Tomahawk Data Centre Managed ...

FS N9500-32D 32 Port 400G Switch caters for industry leading 400G rate and future development trend. The 400Gb Switch with rich choice of port speed and density including 25G, 40G, 50G, 100G, 200G and 400G enabling consistent network architectures ensures exceptional reliability, serviceability and high availability for data Centre mission-criti...

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 11:54 AM

#

Im just saying that a 10gig devices hardware limit isnt 10gb, but like 10.1, but software says no-

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 11:54 AM

#

crystal shale Im just saying that a 10gig devices hardware limit isnt 10gb, but like 10.1, but...

but why the 0.1 gig

#

there are standards for a reason

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 11:55 AM

#

peak cloak but why the 0.1 gig

Its faster-

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 11:55 AM

#

so?

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 11:55 AM

#

I can transfer files faster

#

Faster but still stable = better

#

Thats the whole reason of ocing-

radiant shell Apr 23, 2021, 11:56 AM

#

fast and stable is called a faster nic

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 11:56 AM

#

Overclocking a NIC?

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 11:56 AM

#

Yes but you can "optimise" your slower device...

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 11:56 AM

#

Spoken like a true ignoramus

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 11:57 AM

#

I mean like sure that 0.1 wont do much, but its something.

#

Like i could go ahead and buy the fastest shit, and still "oc" it and get a bit more-

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 11:58 AM

#

You can't OC a network card. Full stop.

radiant shell Apr 23, 2021, 11:58 AM

#

you must think your time is worth so little if you would try and develop that instead of just buying a faster NIC

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 11:58 AM

#

tame carbon You can't OC a network card. Full stop.

You can oc about everything-

#

Even a pregnancy test as example

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 11:58 AM

#

No you cant

#

My god, <@&750150305383186585>

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 11:59 AM

#

radiant shell you must think your time is worth so little if you would try and develop that in...

Uhm, my time isnt worth much.

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 11:59 AM

#

@crystal shale you can't just "overclock" a network card.

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 11:59 AM

#

And if im at the fastest thing then i aint able to bux faster thing

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 11:59 AM

#

Symbol rates on the wire are predetermined, and set in a specification.

#

You cannot change this.

#

The answer to faster than gigabit speeds, is a better NIC.

#

10/100/1000, 2.5G, 5G, 10G, etc.

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:01 PM

#

tame carbon <@!598481177338445834> you can't just "overclock" a network card.

Yes not "just" but if i code an "standart" myself then i could, like sure i need to make a firmware for it, and sure the cables need to be able to handle it. Also you cant buy a faster thing if youre already at the limit..

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:02 PM

#

an "standart"

#

ok

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 12:02 PM

#

@tame carbon he basically wants to create a new protocol

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:02 PM

#

KEKW

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:02 PM

#

Yes basically. I mean i have nothing to do

#

Why not spend it on something for the lols?

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:03 PM

#

ID10T 802.69

radiant shell Apr 23, 2021, 12:03 PM

#

....

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:04 PM

#

@crystal shale I think... this is the kind of thing you let a standards body decide, They know their shit.

#

if you want faster networking speed, just get a switch and network interface that can do so.

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 12:04 PM

#

@tame carbon if he wants, let him try

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:04 PM

#

Reinventing the wheel, is... pointless.

radiant shell Apr 23, 2021, 12:04 PM

#

We will just use RFC 1149 for all future communications

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:04 PM

#

Avian carriers?

#

:D

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:05 PM

#

tame carbon if you want faster networking speed, just get a switch and network interface tha...

There is a limit to current tech. Lets say 10gb. I could still get 10.1 out of it.

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:05 PM

#

No you can't.

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 12:05 PM

#

tame carbon Reinventing the wheel, is... pointless.

I agree. OTOH, that's how people learn by taking the journey of full-circle 😉

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:05 PM

#

Realistically, you'll only get about 9.7gbit~ out of it.
With protocol overhead and all.

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:05 PM

#

tame carbon Reinventing the wheel, is... pointless.

No not really. Everyone is going the same way, nobody really tryes to get the other ways up and running

radiant shell Apr 23, 2021, 12:05 PM

#

Crystal i wouldnt even bother anymore

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:05 PM

#

All of this right now is hot air

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 12:06 PM

#

tame carbon All of this *right now* is hot air

let them try

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:06 PM

#

tame carbon All of this *right now* is hot air

Basically

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 12:06 PM

#

no need to argue

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 12:06 PM

#

Isn't the fastest, cheapest, option Twinaxial?

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:06 PM

#

peak cloak let them try

Yes. Exactly. Like people learn out of fails.

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:06 PM

#

@crystal shale You're welcome to try. But as a starting point, you might want to look at BELL 300 modems. Those are the simplest types of modulation over a wire.

#

300 symbols/second, modern gigabit uses 125 million symbols/second

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:07 PM

#

tame carbon <@!598481177338445834> You're welcome to try. But as a starting point, you might...

I still have an modem lying around-

#

And its in use

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:07 PM

#

The old ones had acoustic couplers :P

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:07 PM

#

Yes

#

Ik

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:09 PM

#

@copper rover I'm all for exploring old tech to learn firsthand, but attempting to "overclock" existing standards... yeah not gonna happen

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:09 PM

#

tame carbon <@!821472301627080766> I'm all for exploring old tech to learn firsthand, but at...

Why tho? Whats the main difference exept difficulty

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:09 PM

#

Chip lithography.

#

Those network ICs are far more complex than you might think.

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 12:09 PM

#

tame carbon <@!821472301627080766> I'm all for exploring old tech to learn firsthand, but at...

lol, I know. I agree. These chips are ASIC, so it's not like they're bottlenecked. The limitation is in frequency bandwidth, not NIC processing cycles

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:10 PM

#

Its not something a mortal with a soldering iron can archieve.

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:11 PM

#

So.. youre telling me that like the wires and stuff cant handle those speed right?

#

(which makes sense

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:11 PM

#

No the wires isn't the immediate bottleneck

#

You can do 10G on Cat5e, if you want to. Probably not going to be as stable at longer distances

#

But the signalling and symbolrates are all handled by the IC

#

That is your main bottleneck, and you may as well treat it as a black box

#

Because most of them, have an internal oscillator.

#

Not something you can tweak

#

computer processors are inherently designed to have variable clockrates, thus you can overclock them

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:13 PM

#

Well lemme just change time continuum of that chip and were good to go lol-

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:13 PM

#

@crystal shale you need specialized equipment to manufacture those chips. I mean, if you REALLY wanted to attempt this

#

Your best bet would be using an FPGA.

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 12:14 PM

#

It's counter-productive. Even if you could tweak it, it would have to be per NIC and per segment between NIC and switch. That's because you can actually introduce so many errors that performs drops to the otherside of that bell-curve.

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:14 PM

#

tame carbon computer processors are inherently designed to have variable clockrates, thus yo...

Yes, but well, some chip have an external osscillator-

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 12:14 PM

#

Oh, and the switch...not going to be modified per port. So at best you're hacking NIC to NIC direct connection with cable

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:15 PM

#

Yeah both sides need to run at same symbolrate and spec.

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:15 PM

#

Yep ik

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:15 PM

#

So you have a special box, to then go back onto... regular ethernet?

#

This is why reinventing the wheel is kinda pointless..

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:15 PM

#

No?

#

It would go to an cpu directly-

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:16 PM

#

.... you lost me

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:16 PM

#

Like its an completly custom setup from scratch

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:16 PM

#

First you wanted to overclock a network card

#

and now you want to make your own CPU ?

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:16 PM

#

Wth no-

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 12:17 PM

#

he wants to basically make a breadboard computer

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:17 PM

#

But not on a breadbord-

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:17 PM

#

At more than gigabit speeds? :P

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 12:18 PM

#

crystal shale But not on a breadbord-

how then?

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:18 PM

#

enthusiasm, go right ahead. but I think your goals aren't exactly realistic.

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:18 PM

#

peak cloak how then?

Making my own pcb and all-

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 12:18 PM

#

I thought you wanted to do it like ben eater

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 12:19 PM

#

crystal shale Like its an completly custom setup from scratch

Before focusing on raw performance, first you need to have something foundational in development. They're expensive, but your best place to start is creating a new protocol and playing around with some FPGAs. If anything, the goal is a learning exercise.

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:19 PM

#

peak cloak I thought you wanted to do it like ben eater

Well yes, but better

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 12:19 PM

#

oh, that's like hard

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:19 PM

#

copper rover Before focusing on raw performance, first you need to have something foundationa...

Yes, but then keeping going to make it a thing if it works out

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:19 PM

#

peak cloak oh, that's like hard

Yes

#

Im aware of that

#

So basically it would be doable, but its hard and im going to need to do alot of custom stuff right?

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 12:21 PM

#

ALOT

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 12:21 PM

#

Have you ever developed custom hardware?

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 12:21 PM

#

^

#

fpga's are nice

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:22 PM

#

copper rover 1. Have you ever developed custom hardware?

Yes i did, well, maybe not to that extend but i wanna learn so-

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:23 PM

#

peak cloak fpga's are nice

Yeah, but thats kinda cheating..

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 12:23 PM

#

crystal shale Yeah, but thats kinda cheating..

no?

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 12:23 PM

#

I'm thinking your goal might be better achieved in talking with industry veterans that were involved in network hardware engineering; maybe a reddit post?

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 12:24 PM

#

crystal shale Yeah, but thats kinda cheating..

you still need to develop your own logic and everything

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:24 PM

#

peak cloak no?

Just very indirectly i mean

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 12:24 PM

#

fpga just makes it easier

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:24 PM

#

peak cloak fpga just makes it easier

And thats the "cheating" lol

#

Like i dont mind

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 12:24 PM

#

crystal shale Just very indirectly i mean

intel uses fpga's to protoype

#

I don't see where the cheating is

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 12:25 PM

#

FPGAs falls into a price/performance segment roughly between CPU and ASICs.

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 12:25 PM

#

crystal shale Like i dont mind

how else would you make a chip

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:25 PM

#

lmfao

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 12:25 PM

#

ASICs cost millions

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:25 PM

#

my brother is shooting the ducks out of the pond

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:25 PM

#

Just nvm that then.

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:25 PM

#

with a bb gun xD

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:25 PM

#

peak cloak how else would you make a chip

Slapping transistors on a pcb lol

#

So welp i got my answer to my question. It would be possible.

#

Thanks for the chat-

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 12:27 PM

#

Non-zero chance of success 😉

crystal shale Apr 23, 2021, 12:27 PM

#

Exactly xD

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:36 PM

#

@peak cloak apparently mikrotik now sells this: https://i.imgur.com/M9WsXiS.png

Imgur

#

Surge protectors, for wireless systems

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 12:36 PM

#

nice

thick minnow Apr 23, 2021, 12:37 PM

#

That's actually quite usefull

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 12:38 PM

#

I've seen a large enough bolt hit a grounding rod right next to the AP. AP was physically fine, no signs of damage. But the EMP fried something inside (induction).

Not sure how much of a solved issue that is, unless it's common to keep spares on hand for replacement? \

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:39 PM

#

@copper rover its just a very strong electric field

#

there's always some capacitance that builds up with such fields

#

causing a very brief current surge to nearby equipment

#

@copper rover really depends, this kind of equipment probably is ment to protect your core routers

#

if you are a WISP, you may have dozens of antennas, on the roof

#

the antennas can be replaced

#

but the core.. not so easily

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 12:45 PM

#

Yeah, that would make sense. I'd imagine any antenna that picks up RF will also pick up EM from a bolt of lightning. Not sure if the IC could take that.

Granted, it would be extremely rare event, not just with the bolt alone. Or else there would be equipment failing all over the place outside.

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:46 PM

#

If you are the tallest point in a given area

#

you statistically have a higher change of getting zapped

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 12:46 PM

#

Sure. So, have a ground rod higher above it, and far enough distance from the equipment

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:47 PM

#

@copper rover grounding rod doesn't attract lighting

#

it repells it

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 12:47 PM

#

tame carbon <@!821472301627080766> grounding rod doesn't attract lighting

wut?

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:47 PM

#

If you have a lightning rod on your roof

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 12:47 PM

#

No.

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:47 PM

#

and your neigbor doesn't

#

they will get zapped instead.

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 12:47 PM

#

tame carbon and your neigbor doesn't

https://tenor.com/view/bunnies-what-confused-meh-gif-13712192

Tenor

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:47 PM

#

A lightning rod bleeds off charge, so that a strike never happens.

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 12:47 PM

#

The rod is sacrificial. If there's capacitance in the earth, and lightning will build up, it's better to discharge out the ground

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 12:48 PM

#

tame carbon A lightning rod bleeds off charge, so that a strike never happens.

bruh, no

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 12:48 PM

#

Lightning actually starts from the ground, not sky 😉

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 12:48 PM

#

lighting wants to go fastest to ground

#

grounding rod attracts lightning

#

because it's the faster path to ground

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 12:49 PM

#

^

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 12:49 PM

#

and least resistant

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 12:50 PM

#

I attended a lecture, where they demonstrated what a lightning rod would do, and in their setup, there was a constant arc between the vandegraaf and ground

#

and the guy holding out a metal rod in his hand, would stop the arcing from happening entirely

#

not discharge through him.

#

it bleeds off enough charge, so that it doesn't strike

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 12:51 PM

#

It can't bleed off at those distances though

#

Large gap between earth and sky

#

Once enough charge builds up, it's a watershed event that happens in billions of a second. That "spark" is giant, called a bolt

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 12:51 PM

#

tame carbon it bleeds off enough charge, so that it doesn't strike

but that's not an analog to real life

#

lightning scenario

#

lightning is different

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 12:52 PM

#

Hell, if you could truly bleed off that energy, you have power generation. I mean, there would be an actual product developed to harness that to battery.

#

That would be awesome. But, yeah, can't happen that way

#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INbKYq0G9nU

You could NOT pay me enough to do that job

YouTube

Fiction Park

Climbing The World's Tallest Radio Tower

This is video of a technician climbing 1768 feet to the top of a transmissions tower, for repairs.
Update: I started a new YouTube channel, RapidLapse: https://www.youtube.com/rapidlapse
I make time lapse videos there. If anybody is interested check it out. Cheers!

#freeclimbing #radiotower #climbing

▶ Play video

waxen saddle Apr 23, 2021, 1:19 PM

#

Lightning travels in both directions and a lightning rod’s ENTIRE purpose in life is to attract lightning so that it goes to ground and doesn’t set your building on fire and/or destroy your equipment.

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 1:20 PM

#

^

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 2:21 PM

#

Anyone have a recommendation for a 16 port switch that's rated for high heat and humidity? Basically outdoors. I want to mount the switch in an attic.

TLDR, I don't have a good place to install a patch panel with electrical in a closet or elsewhere.

#

gigabit

#

I thought about buying a normal switch and then coating with with high-temperature conformal coating (SKU 2106-12S), but after shipping, it's about $50 for a 12oz can. So...might as well pay extra for a switch rated for the high temp job.

#

Also, would rather ensure surface mount components are rated for the heat for a span of at least 8 years

#

Temps in the attic can get up to 60c in the Summer

#

Something like this. Never heard of this brand though. Not sure what IC they're using for switching.

https://wiwav.com/collections/frontpage/products/wdh-16gt-dc

WIWAV

WDH-16GT-DC 10/100/1000Mbps 16-Port Gigabit Industrial Ethernet Swi...

Product Overview The WIWAV® WDH-16GT-DC series up to 16 Gigabit Ethernet devices through a rugged, energy-efficient, industrial 10/100/1000Mbps Ethernet switch for critical applications in hazardous environments, such as smart traffic, factory automation, and outdoor access connection for video surveillance / FTTx and

hollow marlin Apr 23, 2021, 3:00 PM

#

copper rover Temps in the attic can get up to 60c in the Summer

I have not heard of that vendor either. Mikrotik's line tends to be pretty consistently rated up to 70c such as the hex s. At those temps I would try moving the equipment if possible

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 3:04 PM

#

They claim 40 Years MTBF

#

At that price, I'm calling BS

hollow marlin Apr 23, 2021, 3:06 PM

#

MTBF means they tested until failure. 40 years, yeah thats BS

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 3:30 PM

#

https://mikrotik.com/product/netpower_16p

MikroTik

MikroTik is a Latvian company which was founded in 1996 to develop routers and wireless ISP systems. MikroTik now provides hardware and software for Internet connectivity in most of the countries around the world.

#

Seems more reasonable. Price nearly 3x compared with the WiWave

#

I could probably mount the bands around 2x4. hmmm

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 3:39 PM

#

Hello, not to bother, but i have a netgear r6300v2 with a special firmware called: V1.0.3.22_10.1.13SW
Ive been trying to update the firmware but since this is isp custom firmware they have coded something that doesnt allow standard firmware updates. Ive also been trying to use tftpd64 to overwrite the firmware, but i just cant. Do you guys know of any other solution? Thanks!
Ping me if there is a answer

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 4:41 PM

#

@green forge can you ditch the ISP router and use your own?

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 4:42 PM

#

i got it from goodwill

#

its not my main

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 4:42 PM

#

copper rover At that price, I'm calling BS

Why? :D

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 4:42 PM

#

i just want to update the firmware so i could use it for my networking

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 4:42 PM

#

my old computer from 30 years ago still works :P

#

@green forge not at all familair with netgear, and firmware for that matter

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 4:44 PM

#

some people said that i should contact the isp about this ancient isp router and ask how to get rid of this firmware

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 4:45 PM

#

most of those consumer-esque routers don't even get updates

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 4:46 PM

#

tame carbon most of those consumer-esque routers don't even get updates

he wants to remove the custom fireware on it

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 4:47 PM

#

most people use tftp to remove bricked firmware, i was wondering if there was a way to use it to overwrite that custom firmware

#

tftp -i 192.168.1.1 put C:\Users\yulia\OneDrive\Desktop\R6300v2-V1.0.4.52_10.0.93.chk

#

this too

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 4:47 PM

#

yeah its a fileserver

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 4:47 PM

#

so im the client

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 4:48 PM

#

your router is the client

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 4:48 PM

#

they say that negear routers are servers

#

and pcs are clients

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 4:48 PM

#

nah, this is trivial file transfer protocol

#

very crude and simple file transfer mechanism

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 4:48 PM

#

so i should do what

#

make a server>

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 4:49 PM

#

yeah, and then you tell your netgear to fetch a binary from that tftp server

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 4:49 PM

#

can you help me with that? I dont really understand tdtp fully yet and would be glad

#

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 4:49 PM

#

that interface should be on your LAN

#

something like 192.168.1.10

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 4:49 PM

#

yes

#

have it

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 4:50 PM

#

yeah so the router can just connect to that IP, and pull a file with that

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 4:50 PM

#

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 4:50 PM

#

if that is.. how you update it

#

you cant 'push'

#

you have to pull it

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 4:50 PM

#

pull it?

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 4:50 PM

#

Yeah so you provide a tftp:// path to the router

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 4:50 PM

#

hold up

#

so i booted the router rn

#

and im in tftpd64

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 4:51 PM

#

yeah that doesnt matter

#

tftp is just a protocol

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 4:51 PM

#

how am i supposed to access it

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 4:51 PM

#

a very old one, at that

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 4:51 PM

#

with that path

#

nothing pops up

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 4:51 PM

#

well, I'd assume that your server has a list of files it is serving

#

or at least a directory it serves from

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 4:52 PM

#

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 4:52 PM

#

so you have something like: tftp://192.168.1.10/my_file.bin

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 4:52 PM

#

in cmd?

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 4:52 PM

#

no.

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 4:52 PM

#

or in that log

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 4:52 PM

#

Are you sure the custom firmware on that unit even has TFTP to PULL from another source?

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 4:52 PM

#

well

#

honestly i dont know

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 4:53 PM

#

Perhaps figure out how to patch the device with firmware first

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 4:53 PM

#

Hardware Version R6300v2
Firmware Version V1.0.3.22_10.1.13SW
GUI Language Version V1.0.3.22_2.1.33.8
LAN Port
MAC Address 9C:3D:CF:0E:08:40
IP Address 192.168.1.1
DHCP On

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 4:53 PM

#

I only speak mikrotik so Idk how netgear does this stuff :P

#

have a look at manual, see how you do firmware upgrades

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 4:53 PM

#

you see

#

this firmware

#

blocks other newer firmware

#

and older too

#

since its custom

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 4:53 PM

#

then its a garbage device/software

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 4:53 PM

#

Sounds like that custom firmware update was a one trick pony. No going back then?

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 4:54 PM

#

it doesnt allow standard firmware if this was a router that i bought from amazon, not from isp

#

well goodwill

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 4:55 PM

#

Any factory reset button that might restore firmware from a backup ROM? Doubtful as it only clears config...but....

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 4:55 PM

#

wait

#

so even though the firmware says V1.0.3.22_10.1.13SW

#

when i need to log into it

#

it gives me this

#

username: admin password: cciadmin

#

cci is completely different from south west

#

at least thats what sw stands for

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 4:57 PM

#

Propietary software at its finest KEKW

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 4:57 PM

#

Which version did you retrieve. V1.0.3.22_10.1.13SW is pretty old. Did you try something between that and the most recent?

A clearer description of "or something to that effect" might help.

#

got it from a forum on netgear

#

Yes I did Unzip it, and when doing a little google-fu I saw someone mention that 1.0.3.28 was a decent middle ground to try first, but that gave me the same error. Its acting as though that is not the correct firmware for the device.

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 4:57 PM

#

That's because it probably isn't

#

Its vendor locked into that ISP's firmware.

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 4:58 PM

#

" Please try re-flashing the current firmware on the router (1.0.3.22) the reset the router. If that is successful, try flashing the latest version then do another reset."

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 4:58 PM

#

ill try to download 1.0.3.22

#

and if it still says incorrect

#

oh

#

also

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 4:58 PM

#

yeet it into the rubbish bin

#

another reason we need right to repair.

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 4:59 PM

#

ive been working on this thing for 10 hours and its still not getting through

#

lets hope we can reflash it

#

https://kb.netgear.com/26261/R6300v2-Firmware-Version-1-0-3-22

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 5:00 PM

#

geez

#

2016, this is ancient.

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:01 PM

#

nope.

#

ill try one more thing when people get off the internet

#

ill take out my current router and put this one in

#

wait

#

do isps offer support pages for isp routers?

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 5:02 PM

#

good meme.

#

no

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:02 PM

#

ill try support then

#

https://www.consolidated.com/

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 5:03 PM

#

most ISP routers are total garbage, and the documentation they have is written for an infant.

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:03 PM

#

this i think was the comp that made this firmware

#

due to the pass being cci

#

yess they have chat

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 5:03 PM

#

Lol good luck

#

I have my doubts that a support person knows even the first thing about firmware upgrades

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:04 PM

#

sure i am

#

you are now chatting with kendra

#

ohhh

#

Kendra: Hello my name is Kendra I see you need help with a router?

#

i love how shes asking for my acc number even though i dont have them

#

@tame carbon she keeps on asking me to give me my acc numb even though i dont have one

#

goodness lady

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 5:11 PM

#

🤣

#

@green forge tell them that you don't need an account number for your inquiry.

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:12 PM

#

she stopped rn

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 5:12 PM

#

And that this is tech support 101. and if they dont answer with a solution, you will tweet

#

and they will be cancelled.

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:12 PM

#

WOW

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 5:12 PM

#

kek

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:12 PM

#

SHE CLOSED THE CHAT ON ME

#

bruh

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 5:12 PM

#

AHahahaha

#

yeah fuck those guys

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:12 PM

#

🔫

#

well

#

Then who made this stupid firmware then lady

#

was it you or netgear

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 5:13 PM

#

@green forge I warned you ahead of time

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:13 PM

#

oh well

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 5:14 PM

#

tame carbon I have my doubts that a support person knows even the first thing about firmware...

^

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:14 PM

#

wait

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 5:14 PM

#

most customer support people are very dense.

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:14 PM

#

but what is dhcp

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 5:14 PM

#

Dynamic Host configuration protocol

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:14 PM

#

would that work

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 5:14 PM

#

Its for automatically assigning IP addresses to devices on a local network

#

like when you connect to wifi

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:14 PM

#

ohh

#

right

#

the router is the tftp server and dhcp server

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 5:15 PM

#

@green forge the thing that makes a server a "server"

#

is that it listens for requests.

#

clients initiate a request

#

the server fulfills this request

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:16 PM

#

imagine if there was isp locked down modems

#

that locked down speed

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 5:16 PM

#

nah, speed limitations are usually a bottleneck from the copper networks they use

#

or some kind of bandwidth queue on the ISP side, in case of fiber optics

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:16 PM

#

wowowowow

#

hold up

#

what is this softwae

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 5:18 PM

#

See

#

I hate ISP documentation

#

they butcher the jargon

#

Also, is this official netgear ?

#

They are linking to cnet KEKW

#

malware central

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:19 PM

#

this is negear

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 5:19 PM

#

@green forge do you need this router for something specific?

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:19 PM

#

ohhh

#

its doing somthing

tame carbon Apr 23, 2021, 5:19 PM

#

because I never bother with ISP gear tbh

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:20 PM

#

@tame carbon this router will be my main router for my network in my house

#

i need it to wkr

#

and be 1gb

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 5:20 PM

#

green forge <@!167698274969452544> this router will be my main router for my network in my h...

why?

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:20 PM

#

connection

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 5:20 PM

#

does the current one not work

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:20 PM

#

no no you dont get it

#

my main one rn

#

ok

#

i live in apt

#

i bought a house

#

and it has ethernet in the walls

#

i need this router

#

to control all the private/public stuff

#

and use my main router rn as access point

#

because it wouldnt be good to put main router in closet with clothes

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 5:22 PM

#

green forge to control all the private/public stuff

wdym by control...

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:23 PM

#

i was watching ayoutube video about a dude that said its best to put a router that filters public/private connections instead of the switch being connected directly to modem

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 5:23 PM

#

Yes

#

Never switch to modem unless the modem is also a router doing NAT

#

Many ISP "modems" are just routers too. Rarely will a dumb modem be offered. Stupid, but there you go

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:24 PM

#

so i just need a 1gb router

#

that does this

#

and then use the good router

#

for access point

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 5:25 PM

#

Yeah, you can reconfigure a router as an AP. Nothing wrong with that per se.

#

Just don't plug anything to the WAN port if using it as just an AP

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:25 PM

#

ik

#

i did it before

#

@copper rover but do you know how to get a netgear router into tdtp mode?

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 5:27 PM

#

No, I don't know how to force it

peak cloak Apr 23, 2021, 5:27 PM

#

green forge i was watching ayoutube video about a dude that said its best to put a router th...

switch directly connected to modem won't work either way

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:28 PM

#

#

Hardware Version R6300v2
Firmware Version V1.0.3.22_10.1.13SW
GUI Language Version V1.0.3.22_2.1.33.8

#

heres some technical specs about it

#

also

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 5:29 PM

#

Even with ISP custom firmware, they (the ISP) must have had a backdoor to update it in the future for maintenance. But HOW they did that beyond standard Netgear way is unknown.

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:30 PM

#

i remember i read on a forum that the sw stands for south west

#

but i dont think thats true

#

because

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 5:30 PM

#

Can you SSH into it?

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:30 PM

#

the password for this router cciadmin

#

cci is a isp

#

how do you ssh into it?

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 5:31 PM

#

Putty

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:31 PM

#

???

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 5:31 PM

#

Assuming private side has a port open for SSH

#

https://www.putty.org/

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:31 PM

#

how do you do that

#

oh

#

does it require serial bus?

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 5:32 PM

#

No

#

IP address to port 22

#

Typically SSH

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:32 PM

#

so change it to port 22

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 5:32 PM

#

Putty already defaults SSH to 22

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:32 PM

#

oh

#

the only reason im holding on to this thing

#

is becuase all my other routers

#

are 100mgb

#

i need 1gb

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 5:33 PM

#

Just plug the IP of the router into Putty for SSH. Then click on Open (connect). If prompted to accept the connection, yes.

Again, assuming SSH is even available to connect to on that router. It may not have a shell interface. It's a crap shoot

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:33 PM

#

alr its installed

#

what do i do now

#

ok

#

#

umm whats this

#

ill hit yes

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 5:35 PM

#

YES

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:35 PM

#

UMM

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 5:35 PM

#

haha

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:35 PM

#

IT WORKS

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 5:35 PM

#

try with credentiasl

green forge Apr 23, 2021, 5:35 PM

#

woooooo

copper rover Apr 23, 2021, 5:35 PM

#

nice

turbid rover Apr 23, 2021, 5:35 PM

#

Hi guys, so I plugged my CAT6A cable to my computer, it doesn't work, then I used my 6E and it works, so what's wrong