networking

[tame carbon]

but @marble nacelle but individual wireless access points, and a small controller

[peak cloak]

you don't even need a controller do you?

[tender hazel]

he can get a few Audience units

they should work nicely for this

[marble nacelle]

whats a controller and whats a acces point

[tender hazel]

and will go over wireless

[tame carbon]

https://mikrotik.com/product/audience

[peak cloak]

audience could work for someone who just wants something "simple"

[tender hazel]

it has a dedicated 5ghz radio for backhaul to the other audiences

[gritty valley]

I mean hAP AC2 would work too

[tender hazel]

you'll want one hardwired in to your router, the other audience units can connect to the 5ghz backhaul radio

[tame carbon]

@gritty valley or multiple hAP ac2's :D

for even more coverage

[gritty valley]

or multiple wAPs

[tame carbon]

they are so cheap.

$60

and they can double as controller.

[tender hazel]

if you want the high speeds though and can't run cable

[lean pebble]

When I'll get better internet I'm gonna upgrade my mesh system to one that Support 1/2gbps

[tame carbon]

@marble nacelle https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2

[tender hazel]

the audience has two 5ghz radios for that reason

[tame carbon]

@marble nacelle these can do 2.4GHz and 5GHz. But would require you to run a cable.

[marble nacelle]

i live in the middle east

[tame carbon]

The audience has two 5GHz radios, and can use one of them two talk to ther Audiences.

[marble nacelle]

we dont have this here

[tender hazel]

one runs on a different frequency and is used for connection to the other audiences

yeah

[tame carbon]

@marble nacelle which country exactly?

[marble nacelle]

bahrain

[lean pebble]

My mesh have 5ghz but his rj45 connectors limited to 100mbps

[tame carbon]

@marble nacelle you're one of the lucky few with internet access then?

[marble nacelle]

hahah no

[tame carbon]

last I heard, you guys have quite some bad things going on

[marble nacelle]

im lucky to have 500mbps connection

thats it

[tame carbon]

Yeah. let me look if there's a vendor in Bahrain

[marble nacelle]

nah thats western media

were good

[tender hazel]

there is

Realtime Technologies in Salmabad, Bahrain

[lean pebble]

I wish I could have 100mbps

[tender hazel]

http://www.realtime-tec.com/products/networks/mikrotik/

[tame carbon]

@marble nacelle its worth it, this is ISP tier quality

[marble nacelle]

you dont have that in isreal >

?

[marble nacelle]

aight ill look into it

[tame carbon]

@tender hazel their webserver is having me wait./..

fuuuuuck is that thing slow

[lean pebble]

The ISPs here sucks ignoring the ppls that lives in private houses only connecting buildings

[peak cloak]

fine for me..

[marble nacelle]

welcome to the middle east

[tender hazel]

yeah it loads fast for me too

[tame carbon]

now its snappy.

[marble nacelle]

most isp companies in the middle east are govermenaised

[lean pebble]

Load good for me to

[marble nacelle]

we dont have private isp companies

so theres no competition

so prices are high

[lean pebble]

Nah we just have one that rule all the internet infrastructures and making the other ISPs suffer

[tender hazel]

their website is hosted in New Jersey

that's long distance hosting

[peak cloak]

oh no wonder

[tame carbon]

mh

[peak cloak]

I'm in NJ

[tame carbon]

@marble nacelle that store only sells ethernet routers, no wireless

[marble nacelle]

that store is closed

[tender hazel]

they don't even have a web store, they just have links to the products on the mikrotik products page

[tame carbon]

@marble nacelle are there only online retailers you can buy thing sfrom?

[marble nacelle]

shipping is exspensive

so theres no way i can find the right ip addreas for the extender ?

[tender hazel]

it may not have a management IP once it is set up

you could check your dhcp for a mac that matches the first 6 hex digits of the extender wlan mac

[marble nacelle]

maybe the ip is dynamic?

thats not possible

[gritty valley]

The managment IP should be handed out by DHCP Server

In general theory

[tame carbon]

or when it cannot find a dhcp server, it sets itself to a static ip

[tender hazel]

yes, if the extender is getting an IP from the huawei it will be in the dhcp info page on the huawei

[tame carbon]

but he said there was no lease.

[lean pebble]

I decided to leave the gre tunnel alone and try different protocols, any ideas ?

[tame carbon]

@marble nacelle show us that screenshot again

with the leases

[tender hazel]

there's no lease with the name tplink

I'm saying check the leases list for the tplink mac

[marble nacelle]

i just searched all the IPS on google

nothing worked

[tender hazel]

ok

but in your dhcp info page with the leases do you see any lease that matches the beginning of the wlan mac on the extender?

the huawei dhcp info page

XX:XX:XX:YY:YY:YY, the X's would match the wlan mac of the extender, the Y's may not

[marble nacelle]

Mine starts with a A4

nothing is simmilar to thjat

[tender hazel]

ok

[marble nacelle]

i have another question

so my router has two SSID

based on a 2.4GHZ and 5GHZ configuration

they have different names

the problem is

i cant connect my tp link to the 5GHZ SSD

because i cant open the tp link web

[peak cloak]

doesn't it not support 5ghz

[tender hazel]

no you can't connect your tplink to the 5ghz ssid because it doesn't have a 5ghz radio

[marble nacelle]

oh

is there a tp link or perhaps a dlink device that does

TP-Link RE305 AC1200 Dual Band Wifi Range Extender

is this good?

[tender hazel]

that ought to work, that'll have 5ghz

[marble nacelle]

its worth 31.85

dollars

[tender hazel]

be warned that you aren't going to get 450Mbps from 5ghz with an extender though

[marble nacelle]

how much will i be getting

i need atleast 300

[tender hazel]

the extender takes up half the capacity because it uses the same radio to connect back, so you will get 200 or less

[marble nacelle]

o

[tender hazel]

because the ac does like 450 so half of it is used to connect to you and the other half is used to connect back to the main wifi router

whenever you use an extender that uses the same 5ghz radio to extend as well as connect back to the main router it will slice the bandwidth in half

[marble nacelle]

so only solution is if i put the router in my room

which i cant do

[tender hazel]

or you run a cable

[marble nacelle]

yeh

but i need a very LONG wire

and it wont look nice

but ill consider that

[tender hazel]

there is a similar solution to the mikrotik audience made by dlink

the COVR-2200

I don't know if tplink has something similar

[marble nacelle]

wait , if i run a wire

how do i choose the 5ghz ssd

with a wire

[tender hazel]

if you run a wire you still need a 5ghz capable AP

[marble nacelle]

yeh but how will i pick that configuration

[tender hazel]

and no tplink doesn't have something similar to the COVR-2200 with the tri band solution

so a good solution might be the D-Link COVR-2200

(if you can get that)

then you don't have to run a cable

[marble nacelle]

yeh its not in my country

fucking hell

[tender hazel]

you might be able to use powerline adapters

if you can get those, and if they are fast enough

[sly wadi]

Any ideas for exposing an SSH server (or whatever else) to the world while hiding your home ip? (looking for something cheap or free, idk if something like cloudflare exists for non-http)

[waxen saddle]

Why wouldn’t a VPN work for you? Exposing SSH is generally considered a bad idea no matter how much security you have.

[peak cloak]

Why is exposing ssh bad?

If you have key auth and a non standard port it's fine

Although I would still prefer vpn

[sly wadi]

VPNs would probably be too expensive for a simple homelab type thing (also, I used SSH as an example... I would probably be hosting Minecraft and/or Plex/Nextcloud)

[peak cloak]

Host your own vpn

That's what I meant

[sly wadi]

^ If you have a good enough security configuration (MAC and proper auth) you should be fine

[sly wadi]

My goal is to hide my homelab ip address for public kinds of things like file hosting, not try to administrate it remotely

Sorry If I was being unclear

[waxen saddle]

No worries. I know LMG uses a masking service to hide the real IP of their Minecraft server, though I don’t recall what it is called.

[sly wadi]

Okie, thanks... Ping me if you do find an answer

[peak cloak]

probobly cloudflare?

but it's paid

actually I can check

[tender hazel]

SSH isn't always expected to be exposed, so for that reason I would say it would have a greater chance of vulnerabilities than VPNs

[peak cloak]

tcpshield.com

huh

they have a free option

I never knew that

I would use it myself then

[sly wadi]

Isn't it only for game servers though?

[peak cloak]

I don't think so, I haven't tried though

they advertize it just for games

[sly wadi]

Huh, ok... Might check it out

[peak cloak]

won't hurt to try

[peak cloak]

wut?

ltt?

they use tcpshield

maybe

let me check

yep

[tender hazel]

I wouldn't say so - at least I wouldn't want to expose SSH on most of my devices to the world

we have many servers and don't expose ssh to the internet on them, no reason to

that may be so, but with a VPN there is little point in having a VPN if you don't expose it to the entire internet to be able to connect.. that isn't the case with SSH due to the different use case

no, but daemons that are not expected to be exposed to the entire internet would not be as inspected for vulnerabilities as thoroughly as those that are, as a generality

[tender hazel]

well how often would you set up a VPN that is not exposed to the internet, vs SSH that is not exposed to the internet? I would expect that there are a lot more SSH servers not exposed to the internet than there are VPN servers

I'm also not saying there is something wrong with something really standard like openssh in that way

but ssh on some random device

[obtuse cove]

help gig speed making my cpu0 at 100%

bonding gig with 5g (not even getting gig speed)

[peak cloak]

you can't combine speeds

that's not how it works

plus are you on ethernet

[obtuse cove]

yes i can

[obtuse cove]

yes

[peak cloak]

not on a single tcp stream, you can't

you can have more overall bandwidth, yes but will it be worth it enough for you to see, no

[obtuse cove]

yes but if you are using multi stream you can (different ip going 1:1)

[peak cloak]

no multistream is to different desination servers

plus

speedtest.net probobly doesn't go over multiple interfaces

just your main one

[obtuse cove]

idk about that when i start the test i can see it using the different networks

[peak cloak]

whatever, it's not really applicable to real world scenarios

[obtuse cove]

i will not argue about that its so true but why do i not see even one gig my main speed?

[peak cloak]

cpu could be pinned, but I doubt that. Probobly just router

what's your router?

@obtuse cove

[obtuse cove]

HG8245Q

from my ISP

but i turned off WIFI and switching and got Cisco networking on house with cat 7 between the router and the switch

and the rest cat 6A

[peak cloak]

ok but you will still be limited by the router

I can't find anything online for routing speed

[obtuse cove]

i can get the one gig speed but in the start of the test but then it will hover down to500mb and then start working up to that 700-800 mb/s

[peak cloak]

sounds like ISP issue then

ISP rate limiting

that too

[obtuse cove]

i don't think so i think its CPU bound

[peak cloak]

me neither

[obtuse cove]

i got 3700x

[peak cloak]

it's a ryzen 7 3700X

it should be able to

[thorny vector]

-_-

For consumer use, and even most commercial/enterprise use, amd has no more issues than intel.

ummm, epyc?

[peak cloak]

epyc?

[thorny vector]

It's super taking over the datacenter

epyc is destroying intel in the datacenter. Most of the refreshes I've seen in the past 5 years (government/ISP space) that don't rely on any intel specific features, migrate over.

Especially those that are virtualization heavy, which is everyone nowadays

[severe pollen]

Can't...say I've ever had issues with AMD and networking

and I've got a virtual switch on my machine

[thorny vector]

They've increased market share I think by 5% in the enterprise world in the past year

That's crazy growth.

Intel have a higher market share indisputably, but I'd argue straight market share in the enterprise space is misleading, considering how many servers are just stood up and forgotten about.

[hollow marlin]

5% over a year is huge. Enterprise life cycles are 5-10+ years

[severe pollen]

It's hard to measure in general

[thorny vector]

Doesn't, in my opinion, represent current buying trends

@severe pollen for sure

[obtuse cove]

so what i hear is that this issue cant be fixed?

[thorny vector]

@obtuse cove What are you using to speed test with?

[hollow marlin]

How are you bonding the connections?

[obtuse cove]

what do you mean? i got the website and then the app switching between both

[thorny vector]

Ahhhhh, I would bet its the website doing the throttling then

[severe pollen]

Your CPU isn't going to determine your wifi speed

Just in general

[obtuse cove]

yes

torrent is killed by my ISP

i turned off everything even the firewall

[hollow marlin]

Remove the bonded connection, retest on you main connection. I guarantee you're pushing the stack to software

[obtuse cove]

5g cellular

why is it bad?

[peak cloak]

Why

Why so you need to do that?

[obtuse cove]

my home has a lot of people on it and a lot more of devices that if they work or play games i cant get 20-30mb/s from my 1000mb/s

but i got a NAS and home media server on my 5g so that even if I'm outside the house i can remote into my house and take some stuff

[peak cloak]

On my cellular they give public v6

But yeah cgnat v4

[obtuse cove]

no with the 5g move i have seen every device with 5G networking has its Own ipv6

the stupide thing is i can open ports on my 5G but not my 1gig router

[peak cloak]

Its not 5g specifically. Carriers in the us are the ones with the most v6 rolled out

[peak cloak]

No v6? And cgnat v4 I assume?

[obtuse cove]

yeah

[peak cloak]

Bruh

If an isp has cgnat but gives you /56 v6, whatever it's fine. But cgnat and not v6 that's just ...

[obtuse cove]

if you got download large games from steam or epic games if that even a thing anymore you can get instead of 1000mb/s i can theoretically get 3gig/s (if 5G got that sweat 2gig speed)

no the max i got before my system crash with blue screen 2.5g/s

[peak cloak]

That's the standard, is it not? Fios here doesn't yet

Same

But no v6

Use tunnel for that

Why..

[obtuse cove]

btw will Linux handle high speed better or will it be the same?

lol even with iperf its still 100% with

[thorny vector]

Windows bonding is pretty resource intensive, since its all software

[obtuse cove]

turned off bounding and tested with http https://prnt.sc/1165y9t

still 4-5 sec of downloading and the system freeze

yes

i was thinking to boot into safe mode to remove the idea if its software that is getting my CPU cycles

idk i was thinking of malware or viruses but if its really malware or viruses it will take all 16 not only 1

and i was thinking it was cryptomining malware but the same why stop with one why not all

[waxen saddle]

Do you have tcp offload enabled?

[obtuse cove]

i don't have it

[waxen saddle]

So the CPU is handling all the packets

[obtuse cove]

ok if its handling all the packets why not using more than one core

[waxen saddle]

Not sure how it would. In my head, it has to glue the data from the packets together. I’m not sure how you would multi-thread that.

How bad of a freeze is it? Does the mouse move? Can you toggle the caps lock light on your keyboard? Does the entire screen freeze?

[obtuse cove]

it freeze even the mouse

[tender hazel]

I wouldn't expect a simple 1Gbps of traffic to cause a single CPU core to max out like that

[tender hazel]

I would look at task manager and try to figure out what is happening

[thick minnow]

So I'm conneecting to a network hard drive and streaming a film on vlc

On my phone oneplus 7t pro it works fine

But on my ipad it keeps buffering

[tame carbon]

gigabit ethernet go brrrr

[thick minnow]

Both very close to the router and computer is wired

Nah I like paused anyrhibf using bandwidth

It's not a bandwidth issue afaik

It's just on my ipad it's buffering was working fine yesterday

My phone is super fast

I click on it it plays

Yea I'm watching on my ipad now plays for a few seconds then pauses

[tame carbon]

5G mobile technology has nothing to do with ipv6.

It is just common practice that new networks are v6

Because v4 is legacy.

[frigid pine]

In a VPDN tunnel there are multiple sessions. How do I control the session timeout from LAC side?

[tame carbon]

VPDN?

isnt that just cisco jargon for layer 2 tunnels?

[frigid pine]

yep. Uses L2TP.

[tame carbon]

@frigid pine not entirely sure. https://i.imgur.com/OXjEvRW.png

But on my router, I can just set timeout for a client

oh, LAC, that's the concentrator

[frigid pine]

Yeah.

[tame carbon]

Only thing I can spot here

https://i.imgur.com/dJVbjhg.png

Session limits

[frigid pine]

Ah Mikrotik. xD

This is client interface. LAC is middleman.

[frigid pine]

This is server side xD

[tame carbon]

It is

You can set timeouts on either end

[frigid pine]

The problem here is I am in the middle. Don't have accesss to the server or client. The server admin says timeout is configured properly at their end. But doesnt seems like working and they wont accept that it isn't working. So I am just shooting in the dark to find something to clear the session from my end.

[tame carbon]

@frigid pine you sure it is a keepalive issue?

and not just some other problem that breaks l2tp?

I've had my myriad of issues across a network that didnt have 1500 byte ethernet

[frigid pine]

I have single tunnel thru which multiple pppoe sessions are going. The sessions are stuck at the concentrator only if the client end dies abruptly eg. with a power outage. So I don't think it have anything to do with L2TP breaking coz other sessions work fine.

[tame carbon]

mh

ok, this is way above my skill

might want to wait around for someone else

[frigid pine]

Yeah. Thanks for trying anyways. 🙂

[tame carbon]

@frigid pine what would interest me is a log-dump of the concentrator

like, that admin of yours says all is well

but is it?

[frigid pine]

I am the concentrator admin. You must mean the server log?

[tame carbon]

yea

[frigid pine]

unfortunately server logs arent available as I don't have access to it. And the admin is a jack-ass.

[tame carbon]

@frigid pine sounds like my old ISP

"The line is fine, we see the full speed you can receive"

Yes but the latency is 400ms and I have 5% packet loss

"The line is fine"

[frigid pine]

yeah. lol. These people think that since they have configured it, it MUST work.

If it doesn't work 200% other party's fault.

[tame carbon]

tech support diddnt even know what latency or packet loss was

or for that matter: what even is a packet? xD

"have you tried restarting your router?"

[frigid pine]

packet I can understand them not knowing. But yeah ping is something even a non-tech guy knows these days.

[tame carbon]

@frigid pine the problem ultimately was, three poor splices on the DSL line, and a big 2 meter loop under the driveway, right across a city power line

[frigid pine]

since everybody is nowadays playing pubg or minecraft and whatnot

[tame carbon]

and the neighbor had an old NAS with a broken power brick

whose interference was bleeding into my DSL line through that loop and splice

8 technicians couldn't figure it out

until the 9th came, in press suit and tie, with a little DIY FM radio

he walked around the house with his headphones on

and found the problem within 5 minutes

I bet thats why he could afford a suit & tie

cus all the other guys are hopeless.

[thick minnow]

xD, this is kinda hilarious

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow I asked him why he wore different attire. And he said he primarily services business customers

[frigid pine]

Once there was an instance where all customers running from one BNG gets DC for few seconds and then reconnects. This kept happening atleast 5 times a day. I found there is some random packet loss (around 5 ping drops in a row) at the core and raised the issue with MPLS. They said "everything is fine at our end, And even if there is such kind of loss it is acceptable". LMAO.

[tame carbon]

wait

5 ping drops in a row on an edge router?

I dont think that sounds acceptable

[frigid pine]

YEAH!

[tame carbon]

perhaps public ICMP can be dropped if excess

but internal? sounds like a problem to me

[frigid pine]

I even got in a fight with them since my customers were troubling me and in the end they said "YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING SINCE YOU ARE NOT SITTING AT THE CORE". I was like OK! I reported the issue and kept quite.

[tame carbon]

core operator from hell

[frigid pine]

Knew nothing would happen for the report but atleast I am sorted at my end when someone comes asking why this issue wan't taken care of.

[tame carbon]

@frigid pine my current ISP, when I have a problem I dial a number that connects me to their NOC directly :)

they are very skilled and speak jargon :)

[frigid pine]

I am so unlucky with work that I always end up at ridiculous places. Sometimes I convince myself it's like this everywhere.

[hollow marlin]

Sessions will stay alive until timeout or if you allow multiple instances per account when dealing with client loss. Do you have keepalives enable on the concentrator?

[dense sierra]

Anyone familar with next Cloud?

[waxen scroll]

i'm familiar with how ubnt > mikrotik

[tame carbon]

@waxen scroll where did you hear that?

[clear igloo]

@waxen scroll I think you mean D-Link > all

[tame carbon]

all > asus

[clear igloo]

Assus + RGB = king speed

[tame carbon]

@clear igloo https://i.imgur.com/qGHXz43.png

Motherboard marketing ^ rofl

T-BaseNOSCOPE

[waxen scroll]

so i want to bring up... most connections 1GB<, Kay? When does QoS need to kick in? What happens when QoS kicks in? Queueing? Whats queuing do? Oh fuk it adds latency

killer lied packets died

@hollow marlin boom

fifo so fast at processing

does killer even know your ISP speed

Does this stuff actually work tho? Seems like complete BS

Maybe if you had DSL?

muh 5mbit

[tame carbon]

@waxen scroll maybe it works if you added more ™️'s

[waxen scroll]

is that marketing implying you connect two interfaces to one switch and use wifi too?

like ....

[tame carbon]

no no

There's

KILLER™️ Ethernet

and

KILLER™️ WIRELESS AC 1535 WITH EXTREMERANGE™

[waxen scroll]

the caps make it better

[tame carbon]

wait no the ethernet

KILLER™ DOUBLE SHOT-X3 PRO™️™️™️™️

[waxen scroll]

SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY.....

[tame carbon]

@waxen scroll I think KILLER™️ 360-NOSCOPE PRO sounds better

like is there a SINGLE SHOT-X2 HOME too ?

I'm just imagining rn that this is how the marketing dpt talks on daily basis

https://asset.msi.com/global/picture/article/article_147485967257e89298acfea0.png

EXTREME

@waxen scroll 🤣 https://i.imgur.com/ib3XoXM.png

[waxen scroll]

oof

[tame carbon]

this whole msi website is shit

https://i.imgur.com/QJM6gXP.png

Nice.

[timber imp]

wait what is this

[tame carbon]

https://www.msi.com/blog/kill-your-lag-dominate-your-game-with-msi-and-killer

[timber imp]

msi usually have decent web pages

[tame carbon]

We're having fun at MSI's marketing dpt

top tier Gaming gear

[timber imp]

lmao

tbf it is from 2015

[thick minnow]

MSI is trash their laptops suck

[tame carbon]

https://asset.msi.com/global/picture/article/article_147485967257e89298b357c0.png

Who makes these graphics?!

[timber imp]

their mobos are good

[thick minnow]

1gbit voor twitch

BRUH

[tame carbon]

no but

Its..

Simply adding the max rated speeds for all the interfaces

that's cheating

@clear igloo yeah its basically what you said https://i.imgur.com/PABxGqL.png

[waxen scroll]

MSI laptops I feel arent bad, BUT they can overheat

[tame carbon]

@waxen scroll yeah but the BS marketing is consistent across all of their products

Like, companies hire those people to make adverts for the non-savvy

[waxen scroll]

thats why wifi numbers got changed

that was a good call though

[surreal finch]

Andybody here use Fortinet?

[lean pebble]

I don't like MSI

[waxen scroll]

Never believe someone with an Anime avatar

...

[frigid pine]

That's my config.

I don't see any keepalive setting under vpdn or l2tp.

[tame carbon]

kewl. my bag of rj45 keystones arrived

100 STP keystones for 30 euros

[flat wagon]

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07PHVBQVS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glc_i_KG2QRNMQ3S432DRASK8K?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Can anyone tell me if this supports 10G or if it's just restricted to 1G.

We're upgrading our 900mbps internet to 1.5Gbps so considering to buy that switch.

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon That's a big waste of money

oh wait

PoE

@flat wagon no.

@flat wagon https://mikrotik.com/product/CRS326-24G-2SplusRM

[surreal finch]

@flat wagon from what I can see no 10G support

[tame carbon]

Something like this, has 2x 10G

[surreal finch]

Even the SFP ports are restricted to 1G

[flat wagon]

can you link me a managed switch with up to 12+ ports that is also 10G from Netgear on Amazon?

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon that one is managed ^

[flat wagon]

one sec

[tame carbon]

and honestly, far more versatile than a netgear equivalent

[flat wagon]

is it on amazon tho

[tame carbon]

that switch has bunch of L3 features too

[flat wagon]

prefer to get it on Amazon

[tame carbon]

https://www.amazon.com/Mikrotik-CRS326-24G-2S-RM-326-24G-2S-rackmount/dp/B0747TBTDX/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=CRS326&qid=1617810216&sr=8-1

CRS326

@flat wagon those SFP+ cages fit a module than can be used for 10gbit networking

either via a fiber optic, or another type of SFP+ module

10GbE (on copper) is very expensive and not really worth it

[flat wagon]

oooo ok. thank u so much. i'll order it rn

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon though wait

you get 1.5G?

do you know what kind of interface they will provide ?

[flat wagon]

yes

it's fibre optic

[surreal finch]

yeah I am wondering if a 2.5G is what they will supply

ahh

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon have you got a fitting router?

[surreal finch]

walks away as he needs more coffee before he types

[flat wagon]

I'll link i what I currently got hold on

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01MYTIPG2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glc_i_HZ99PAJBC3WF15XFXQVS

it was fine for the needs we had when we bought it but our needs have grown since then plus it's not 10G compatible

so we going to replace it

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon yeah when you have gigabit network speeds, having a fast backbone is important

@flat wagon https://mikrotik.com/product/rb4011igs_rm

@flat wagon I have that one at home for my fiber optic connection

it has a 10G port, you can use to expand connectivity with like a switch

You can get short distance SFP+ cables for $20

[flat wagon]

I'll just spend a lot this one time and get the white switch u suggested

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon I invite you to have a look https://mikrotik.com/products

They sell many many products

and the software is the same on all of them, which is very nice

[hollow marlin]

Is there a config section for specifying PPP? While im familiar with BNG, VPDN not so much. L2TP is just carrying the PPP control packets but there should also be configuration for the PPP side which is where the keepalives need to be setup

[reef gazelle]

Just a huge disclaimer re: Mikrotik L3 it's ass-tier speed and feature wise

It'll do L2 all day everyday

[tame carbon]

@reef gazelle on their switches? yes.

very much so

[reef gazelle]

Don't expect near line speed L3

[tame carbon]

nope

[thick minnow]

What's L2 and L3?

[tame carbon]

@reef gazelle The CRS305 I have, caps out around ~1200mbit/s

but it switches at full 40G

[hollow marlin]

As most QoS setups, most the times its complete garbage, especially when you have no control of specifics

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow switching/routing

[thick minnow]

Ah okay

[reef gazelle]

L3 is where VLAN communicate to each other

[tame carbon]

inter vlan routing yes

@reef gazelle though some of the switches are actually capable of high throughput inter-vlan routing

[flat wagon]

for the switch u linked

[tame carbon]

depends on the switching chips they use

[flat wagon]

yes

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon err

I don't read amazong reviews. I just know mikrotik's products are reliable and affordable

[reef gazelle]

VLAN capabilities is where L3 gets most of its use, but not all.

[tame carbon]

and the interface yeah its a bit more complicated but nothing you couldn't do

[reef gazelle]

Inter-VLAN and ACL's

[tame carbon]

@reef gazelle I just have my RB4011 doing all the gruntwork

router on a stick

[reef gazelle]

The latter being "hey, iot devices can't talk to printers, but computers can" in layman's terms

I plan on upgrading my network stack but not until I move.

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon This is what RouterOS looks like: https://i.imgur.com/2EaPFzE.png

@flat wagon same screen is also available as web configuration.

[reef gazelle]

I'm on Unifi currently but only to have central control at a sensible price

USG is on wan failover because Eth0 oofed

CloudKey needs to be migrated to VM

[tame carbon]

@reef gazelle lol I got my IoT devices and LAN seperated

LAN masquarades to reach IoT

Easiest way to allow one way communication

[reef gazelle]

I have little IoT but it's locked down a fair bit

[tame carbon]

my IPcams are completely isolated

they get NTP from the router, and the surveilance VM has a vlan port to talk to the cams

no route to 0.0.0.0/0

[reef gazelle]

I have one camera, no expansion until moving

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon that screenshot btw, is on this device:
https://i.mt.lv/cdn/rb_images/1659_l.jpg

CRS305

[flat wagon]

does it have like anti-ddos mitigation because the $100netgear one I have right now does, not sure if the one you linked has it or not, I couldnt find it on its page

[tame carbon]

wat?

antiddos?

[flat wagon]

like idk dos

[tame carbon]

[flat wagon]

or ddos

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon its called having a faster internet connection than the person flooding you

[flat wagon]

wait

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon its marketing jazz

doesnt matter

by the time the traffic you wish to filter has reached your device

it has already come over your fiber line

thus, has no effect.

[reef gazelle]

Youd have to have two things in effect for "anti-ddos"

Full tunnel vpn tunnel to AWS or somethere (not to mention the money to pay for it)

[flat wagon]

it's what mine has currently

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon that's marketing jazz.

[reef gazelle]

And a firewall there to mitigate traffic to your internal network

@tame carbon that sounds like STP actually

[tame carbon]

Okay even if it does

Mikrotik supports all of that xD

@flat wagon Its not something you'll need or have to care about. trust me ^^

[cosmic steeple]

Rate my networking

[tame carbon]

I can tolerate the pile of cables

what I cannot tolerate is that asus router

[reef gazelle]

Pile of cables is annoying given there's an empty rack right there

Ziptie the devices down or something

[tame carbon]

@reef gazelle or better

You buy one of these

[reef gazelle]

Also, don't piggy back power strips

[tame carbon]

YOu dont have a lot of equipment anyways

[cosmic steeple]

Where my modem

[tame carbon]

@cosmic steeple https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/776722183119699988/777646103775674368/IMG-20200922-WA0001.jpg

other half of the network is on that fiber

goes to my office

[reef gazelle]

The 2U wall vertical mounts are only useful for oob mountable equipment usually

[tame carbon]

@reef gazelle or a CPE switch for multiple fiber customers or something

[reef gazelle]

You could use 3m tape or hook and strap strips

[tame carbon]

I've seen this before, where they had a highspeed 25G switch

and bunch of access ports going to each tenant

bunch of vlans

[reef gazelle]

But a US-8 and mini router don't justify a wall mount for me

Most of that CPE has ears though

[cosmic steeple]

Amazon link please

[reef gazelle]

And if not there's usually a wall mounting frame that comes with them

[tame carbon]

@reef gazelle lol that vertical wallmount +

Big brain

[reef gazelle]

I hinted at that with the 3m tape but it'd be a pain imo

It'd be cleaner and less deep with target branded pegboard

[tame carbon]

@reef gazelle Im doing a big outdoor installation soon

gonna be using one of those RB4011's as centerpiece

I still can't think of an excuse to not use it

[reef gazelle]

Looks like a DIN panel router

[tame carbon]

@reef gazelle I got one of those at home

and whatever I can throw at it, it chomps through with ease

https://mikrotik.com/product/mantbox_52_15s

i'll be using around 10 of those

and a couple 60GHz backhaul antennas

got a total of 1 gigabit to distribute

[cosmic steeple]

Any guides to cable networking a house or a company in USA ct

[peak cloak]

for one, that router...
get a patch panel to terminate all the runs at
beware of electrical lines, know where they are

[cosmic steeple]

Planing to move this need out and move pc in here

[peak cloak]

get fish tape

[cosmic steeple]

Only 2 wall power by the door and need

[peak cloak]

plan it out

know where your beams are

which direction they run

easiest would be get into the basement (if you have one) and back up

[cosmic steeple]

Want like a modern power cable plates

[peak cloak]

yes

wall plates

I have a ton

[cosmic steeple]

I have like 8k to spend lol

[peak cloak]

why 8k..

that's way too much

[cosmic steeple]

Taxes

[peak cloak]

spend your return on other things as well

save it as well

[cosmic steeple]

I planing to wire the electric and networking to the house

[peak cloak]

if you are doing electricity get someone who knows their stuff

don't do it yourself

unless you know the codes

and how to do it

[cosmic steeple]

How much would it be for someone to do it for me

[peak cloak]

no clue

[cosmic steeple]

What about my ax11000

[peak cloak]

it's asus...

and just

spikes

cringe

[cosmic steeple]

The like 3 power in this whole house

My friend have the next up model

Do you need a permit /contractor

[peak cloak]

idk

I wired my house with no permit

[cosmic steeple]

I can put the server room in the gym

[peak cloak]

for high voltage you technically do

key word

technically

[tender hazel]

@flat wagon that auto DoS feature is potentially dangerous - I am reading that what it does is it turns off the switch port if it receives more than 3 malformed packets from that port

a malformed packet doesn't necessarily constitute an attack

I'm seeing message from people about it blocking their printer because their printer software has some kind of bug where it sends certain packet types malformed, or blocking their uplink port for the same reason and then the entire switch goes down

[waxen scroll]

@peak cloak i'd get in trouble just for using romex

my area is conduit only.

if you do whips its gotta be like less than 2 foot

[peak cloak]

there are places like that?

never knew

My basement is just romex everywhere

[waxen scroll]

yep

infact there are places that go a step further and want all low voltage in conduits

[peak cloak]

why...

[waxen scroll]

keep the union workers employeed

[tame carbon]

@tender hazel the L3 hw offloading to the switching chips for routing on those CRS317 is crazy

juan showed me some of the stuff they did on rOS v7

if they bring this to the CRS305, that would be so nice

its same series of switching chip

[marble nacelle]

sup guys

i got me something

TP-Link Range Extender RE450

and it gives me good speed

[tender hazel]

yes, it is a nice feature being able to do routing, it can sustain really high throughput

that's quite good for an extender, arvine

it's triple chain, your router must be triple chain too

that's the only way you could get that rate

[marble nacelle]

whats a triple chain

[tender hazel]

it's the number of antennas/polarizations

more chains mean more bandwidth per device if the connecting device has that number of chains

an AP with three chains will be faster than an AP with two chains as long as the device also has three chains, otherwise it won't be any faster

most devices are dual chain so you are limited to around 500-600Mbps in best scenarios

triple chain devices can give more theoretically

your extender is knocking the bandwidth in half, which means that the huawei by itself is capable of giving at least 700Mbps which is really only possible if it has three chains

unless of course you are plugged into the range extender with a cable from your computer

[frigid pine]

That's all the ppp settings that are available. Non have like keepalive or timeout there.

[tender hazel]

are you doing LAC/LNS stuff?

@frigid pine I don't work with Cisco very often anymore but MikroTik has an example config here using Cisco as a LAC that may help

https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/LAC+and+LNS+setup+with+Cisco+as+LAC

I'm sure you don't care about the mikrotik parts of that example config but perhaps the Cisco part will be helpful

[frigid pine]

Let me check.

[frigid pine]

Unfortunately it does not contain the information I need. The link contains very basic configuration just to make it work.

I keep wondering if it is even possible from LAC side.

anyways I never noticed Mikrotik have a subdomain named help. This looks better than their Wiki pages. xD

[tender hazel]

@frigid pine it is the replacement for the wiki

the wiki is going to be shut down after they finish moving their pages over to the new help domain

[frigid pine]

Nice.

[tender hazel]

actually something I've figured out is that they have moved some pages over but haven't linked the old wiki pages to the new help pages yet, so the help pages are more up to date

@frigid pine https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/ios-xml/ios/vpdn/configuration/15-mt/vpdn-15-mt-book/vpd-tunnel-mgmt.html

@frigid pine that might be the command you need?

[frigid pine]

No this command is only used for tunnel. I need something which may affect the sessions inside that tunnel.

My tunnel hello is configured as default 60secs.

[tender hazel]

ok

[fringe crow]

Hey yall real quick question... I host a server on zap hosting for one of my games but I'm looking to move over to a vps. I saw contabo was cheap but offers good packages... have any of you guys ever dealt with that company for a vps?

[plain siren]

Contabo
No. Dont.
Reliable Site does good Dedis if you can consider that
So You Start/OVH ... well they are cheap sure but
Datacenter Fire, Bad Support, Bad Hardware Reliability
Hetzner, idk thats not in the States so I didnt ever used them.

[fringe crow]

Okay thanks, I appriciate that for sure!

[plain siren]

https://lowendbox.com/ @fringe crow Heres a good place to look

[fringe crow]

Thanks I appriciate that!

[plain siren]

https://www.lowendtalk.com/categories/offers
https://www.lowendtalk.com/categories/shared-hosting-offers

This is basically the market place central for that kinda stuff

[fringe crow]

Sweet, thank you

[tame carbon]

@fringe crow linode is also great for hosting

https://www.linode.com/

[frigid pine]

What tools do you guys use to draw network diagrams?

[tame carbon]

@frigid pine draw-io is quite nice

https://github.com/jgraph/drawio-desktop

[frigid pine]

I use that too but don't like it's interface for some reason :3

ohkay so there's a desktop app too. lemme check.

[tame carbon]

I havent really done that much diagramming for networks

most of my work entails software design

so I am more into the UML-design of things

I use a combination of Visual Paradigm for certain diagrams

and Astah UML for domain and use-case

[grizzled cove]

I have an RDS Farm in Microsoft Azure and bossman now wants to create a whitelist only for accessing websites. Does anyone have any experience with this?

[tame carbon]

@grizzled cove run everything through an HTTP Proxy

thats what schools do to make sure people only use the internet for surfing

all traffic is blocked, except HTTP and a few other exceptions

[grizzled cove]

I did look at proxies but to me its a dead technology and easy to get around.. if you want to bypass a proxy, you can. I was thinking of using OpenDNS and configuring my forwarders on our DNS servers to point to OpenDNS servers

[tame carbon]

@grizzled cove and then someone uses 1.1.1.1

you could block outgoing DNS server requests, but that will just upset people

[grizzled cove]

It's an RDS server, so users don't have access to change network properties

[plain siren]

So, any RD Sessions should only access XYZ Websites Listed in Said Whitelist right?

[grizzled cove]

Yeah that's the idea

[plain siren]

So your best bet is prob Proxies. Squid is a good choice. You would use Group Policy to set the Proxy config

Microsoft ISA Server is another option

Its a Proxy server

Sorry ... Forefront TMG as its known as now

Too bad its basically old and dead lol

(squid)

[grizzled cove]

I settled for the middle ground

Had my DNS servers use OpenDNS IP's as the forwarders and used the Moderate preset in OpenDNS control panel

Strict preset caused some issues with Outlook as it blocks access to office365.com

Doing some research having a whitelist in a production environment is a recipe for disaster

[vestal patrol]

ah yes german internet

i pay 40€ for this shit

[tame carbon]

@vestal patrol nice DSL line you have there

I paid about the same a couple years ago

but for 4 down and 0.6mbit up

[tawny flint]

Hi 😄

so question

so this is my home NAS

[tame carbon]

@tawny flint you got permissions?

[tawny flint]

the group is under is USERS

[marble nacelle]

i pay 105 dollars for this

[tame carbon]

@tawny flint yeah that's network, but what about file permissions?

[tawny flint]

same

[tame carbon]

clearly not

[tawny flint]

yes i did

[tame carbon]

because you dont have read rights on the directory you are trying to list

owner is admin

are you logged in as admin/

[tawny flint]

nope

[tame carbon]

theres ur problem.

There's user and group permissions

[tawny flint]

for the Filezilla im using the FTP_USER account

[tame carbon]

and idk what this GUI is doing

[tawny flint]

netgear Readynas OS 6.x.x

[tame carbon]

because I've always configured this stuff directly from config files

unless you have some kind of access log

gonna be hard to debug

[tawny flint]

i havent play with it alot

i know a few people in this server who has a Netgear Readynas

[tame carbon]

^

[tawny flint]

work with web

but why isn't working with FileZilla 😦

working with local IP but not with my public IP/ no-ip.com

ok so the issues is my Public IP i want to connect while im outside or at uni/college just dumping files in there

i dont know what sensitivity info but show this but im not from the US

[tame carbon]

@plain siren I was hoping so badly that this tool would have a T568B pinout on the side

I might just print out my own, and use some masking plastic and stick it on the tool

[plain siren]

oof

[plain siren]

Fingernail Polish/Sharpie

[tame carbon]

@plain siren im still fucking around with wires.

I thought this pushthrough would be much easier

fucking orange wire keeps going in the wrong hole

lets see if this tool was worth it.

[peak cloak]

never had an issue with passthough

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak its just

xD

me fucking aroudn

[peak cloak]

make sure to straighten your wires first

[tame carbon]

I did

[peak cloak]

don't look like it

It's hard to explain what I do

[peak cloak]

I like wiggle the wires in my hand

[tame carbon]

perfect.

time to test the wire tester

@peak cloak I remove insulation, untwist the ends

and then pull orange appart

and group green blue and brown

and put the orange inbetween

slide it onto the keystone

and pull it close

its always striped/solid/striped/solid etc

and Im an idiot

@peak cloak LOL

the cable I cut in half

was terminated with T568A

I just made a crossover cable O.o

wait no, I did the T568A and the cable was B

either way. I now have a crossover cable

take 2.

booyah. it works

perfect

@peak cloak $10 cable tester :D

I'm a big fan of this passthrough

makes life so much easier getting the insulation inside the keystone

[plain siren]

I got this same one from microcenter

[tame carbon]

@plain siren they are just simple continuity testers

I opened up the back, electronics are actually quite simple

[plain siren]

yeah mines in pieces too

[tame carbon]

@plain siren that's it lol

there's a tiny IC on the backside under some goop.

[flat wagon]

Guys I just upgraded my internet to 1.5GBPS (from 940MBS) and I'm so conflicted on which speed test to trust.
My Ethernet cable is temporarily on Cat5 which is limited to 1gbps but idk which speed test to trust

[peak cloak]

fast.com is the fastest because it uses netflix

your isp probobly has a netflix cache server right on their network

and your cable is not the limiting factor

it's your computer and router ethernet ports

[flat wagon]

Okay because I ran 4 other website tests and they also coming up with 930MBPS-ish

[peak cloak]

you would need to upgrade both to have at least 2.5G connectivity

which is expensive

that's why imo 1.5G just isn't worth it

1G is perfectly fine

[flat wagon]

our home networking is revamped with expensive switches and the ISP just gave us their new 10G router

[tame carbon]

Overhead.

930mbit sounds about right

Theres protocol overhead which it doesnt measure.

[peak cloak]

ah your computer needs a 2.5G card

and are the switches 2.5G?

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon I recently linked you to some 10G capable gear

Gigabit wont cut it at those speeds. or at least not at full throttle.

[flat wagon]

yes I know and my switch is 10G atm but it's 8 ports

I'll link to my motherboard hold on

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon 10GbE (10G ethernet over copper) is NOT worth it.

The interfaces are far more expensive

You're better off using SFP+

and getting a fiber

[flat wagon]

https://www.gigabyte.com/ca/Motherboard/GA-AX370-Gaming-K7-rev-10 I think this motherboard does support speeds such as 1.5G out of the box

not sure though

[tame carbon]

That's gigabit.

[flat wagon]

o

so I need a 2.5G card too?

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon Skip 2.5G

its relatively new, poorly supported.

and expensive

just go with SFP+ (10G)

You need one of these cards

They have SFP+ cages, like the switch I linked you

[flat wagon]

okay hold on

[tame carbon]

(The card in the image is an Intel X520-DA1)

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/68669/intel-ethernet-converged-network-adapter-x520-da1.html

You dont have to get 1.5G on every computer

[flat wagon]

i got the basic knowledge in networking but not super extensive, so what ethernet cable do I need to plug it into that? it seems like a different connector

[tame carbon]

1G is still fine for a laptop and such

@flat wagon ah ok. normally with copper ethernet, we all use RJ45

but once you go to higher speeds, the connector becomes a module

those SFP+ cages are holes for such modules

https://www.fs.com/de-en/c/10g-sfp-dac-1114

This is a copper cable, that you can directly plug into those cages

The same is possible with fiber optics.

its all SFP+

[flat wagon]

im just copying all the links on a notepad atm

hold on

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon now, such a Direct-Attach cable is only cost-effective within 3 meters.

[flat wagon]

ok i need like

[tame carbon]

Once you need longer runs, you can either get active optical cables.

[flat wagon]

50 feet

[tame carbon]

https://www.fs.com/de-en/c/10g-sfp-aoc-2689

@flat wagon these are the same as copper

but they have fiber inbetween

also plugs into SFP+

[flat wagon]

will that support the full 1.5g?

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon it does 10G.

@flat wagon You use these kinds of cables between your Switch & Router

if you want to have full speed networking on your computer, you'll need one of those 10G interfaces

[flat wagon]

can you link me the SFS product on amazon including the pci card and a 50feet

cable

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon no just buy off FS.com directly.

they ship worldwide.

And they are the cheapest

@flat wagon network card leaves some options open. You don't have to get an intel card.

but it has to be SFP+

[flat wagon]

so where's something like a 50ft?

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/Hq8WKvv.png

[flat wagon]

o im blind

ok

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon active optical is the easiest

because you can also get SFP+ modules with seperate patch fibers

That's what i have here

[flat wagon]

how are they the easiest

[tame carbon]

Because if you get dust in the fiber patch

then you have no signal

those active optical cables cannot be removed, they are spliced onto the connector

[flat wagon]

ooo

ok

thse prices

arent bad

i was expecting worse tbh

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon for 10G its very good :D

2.5G is about the same price, but you can barely find gear for it.

Thats why I suggested use 10G instead.

its futureproof, and not a gimmick :D

@flat wagon have a look at this: https://www.fs.com/de-en/products/11555.html

These are pure fiber modules

you remove the rubber plug, and plug your fiber in there

[flat wagon]

are they using the same image across all the cable products on their webpage

[tame carbon]

Yea..

because they all look the same, its just the length that is different

there's 1000s of different SFP+ modules

for different types of fibers, different wavelengths for the lasers

simplex, duplex

Active optical is therefor a bit "easier"

because you cant make a wrong purchase.

https://i.imgur.com/Hq8WKvv.png

They just come as-is

and you plug them in, and boop. it works

[flat wagon]

so the switch u linked also supports SFP but my router itself doesnt have a SFP connector support, just regular ethernet

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon SFP or SFP+ ?

[flat wagon]

sfp+

but it has cat8 running tot he switch

to the*

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon that could be 10GbE

10G on copper. which works.. up to 25 meters

https://www.fs.com/de-en/products/74680.html?attribute=113&id=219394

You'd want something like this ^

This plugs into SFP+

and has RJ45 on the other side

But these things are very expensive.

$55

RJ45 10G costs a lot more

[flat wagon]

ok accept fr cuz i'll probs be asking a lotof questions in the coming days when i order stuff

it's a lot to take in

all at once

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon ye it is :D

I went on this journey 3 years ago

took me about a month or so to do research

but I went into fiber specifically

@flat wagon those individual modules I linked earlier https://i.imgur.com/Px0MRJC.png

These are good for 10 kilometers of fiber

xD

[flat wagon]

but if i wanted to, i can just get a 25 meter cat 6 cable and a sfp+ pci card and the generic ethernet adapter and plug it into the card?

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon I would only do that if the network card in your computer is 10G RJ45

if you have to choose, I would get something with SFP+

its more flexible, as you can do fiber or copper

@flat wagon if you wanted to run copper, you have to get cat6a (make sure all sides are shielded)

high speed ethernet on copper is subject to interference.

so you need shielded cables

http://westcoastcomm.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/UTP-STP.png

Shielded ethernet means that there's a grounding jacket around the core

@flat wagon the interference, and the price of RJ45 interfaces, and extra costs in cabling make it not really attractive

https://i.mt.lv/cdn/rb_images/1301_l.jpg

If you go back to that switch of yours (CRS326), if you really wanted 10G for every computer.. this wouldnt be ideal

CRS317 is an all-SFP+ switch:

https://mikrotik.com/product/crs317_1g_16s_rm#fndtn-gallery

But that CRS317 is for really heavy switching (and soon maybe routing)

[flat wagon]

Back

let me read

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon no questions are stupid questions. esp if everything is new to you

so ask away

[flat wagon]

ok so just back up a little bit, so my router which is a ISP provided router (they also provided a small UPS battery backup for some reason for the router)
but ok so my isp provided router.... it doesnt have SFP+ so I would need an adaptor between that router and the switch?

for the active optical cable or do I just keep the CAT8 I have running between my switch and my router

im so confused

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon okay, so such an active optical cable is for directly connecting two SFP+ cages to eachother

And @flat wagon as for the ISP equipment, you'd have to look at the datasheet or manual

If they use 10GbE then you can use a module to adapt it to SFP+

@flat wagon if you had some more information on the ISP equipment, I could have a look

[flat wagon]

Yes one second

https://www.telus.com/en/internet/wifi

Honestly it's super limited information on it idk where the specs on it are

they also gave us

ugh

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon if you are in luck, you may not need that device at all

the ISP I have here, doesnt even ship a modem :)

I just have a fiber with SFP that plugs directly into my gear

[flat wagon]

which device do I not need?

o

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon yaasss. it makes life so much easier not having to deal with shitty ISP gear

[flat wagon]

Normally I would agree

but this router seems to be pretty high end and it's a mesh network with 4 boosters around the house

since it's a 3 story house

[tame carbon]

@flat wagon yeah but all that mesh shit

is garbage

[flat wagon]

o?

[tame carbon]

because they are an internet provider, not a hardware manufacturer.

If you want a reliable wireless setup, you buy specialized gear

those mikrotiks have a very nice way to do managed wireless

@flat wagon errr, can't find specifics on telus' website

[flat wagon]

same

hold on

[tame carbon]

gimme another 30 mins. I just got called for dinner, I'll be back soon ^^

[flat wagon]

Thats all I found and okay!

[waxen scroll]

why have telus when you could have ubiquiti

[flat wagon]

because since we been with TELUS for 10 years they gave us all the equipment for free and u can't argue with free stuff :D

[waxen scroll]

you sure? check your bill for fees

[flat wagon]

our internet for 1.5G is 70/month because it's a loyalty plan

that's CAD too it's lower in USD

[waxen scroll]

loyalty plan? wtf is this concept

i have to quit and join back to get low rates

[flat wagon]

they got a loyalty department and they are responsible for ensuring to keep make sure their long-time customers (minimum 4 years) dont end up switching so that's when they start offering special rates.

We have TELUS mobile phone (so 3 iPhones on their plan), TELUS landline phone, TELUS cable tv (I never watch tv but got it in the bundle abyway) and finally TELUS internet at 1.5G.
All this costed $200/month