networking

[plain siren]

Is it a Network/Cloud/Service issue or...
A people/person/OSI Layer 8 issue?

[tame carbon]

@plain siren the breach from months ago

and then the whistleblower complain

[plain siren]

Yeah I know.

[tame carbon]

they knew this was going on

garbage company

[plain siren]

Exactly, thats the real problem. Its not the delivery of the solution in question

Its the fuckers running the delivery

[tame carbon]

https://twitter.com/superdealloc/status/1376626243865604100

André Medeiros (@superdealloc)

Hey @Ubiquiti, why are you pushing ads on the management interface for hardware I bought outright?

Retweets

215

Likes

920

Twitter · Mar 29, 2021, 8:04 PM

awesome

10/10 support

[plain siren]

'

[tame carbon]

11/10

[plain siren]

ENGRISH MOTHER FUCKER
DO U SPEAK

[tame carbon]

IT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbvYeLxMKN8

[plain siren]

I would LOVE to see the Signing Keys be dumped and someone actually make a drop in replacement for all the Firmware/Software

[tame carbon]

@plain siren they basically were able to scoop up millions of single sign-ons

like, what if

this huge influx of hacks that we see lately

is actually bunch of idiots running cloud instances of unifi

[plain siren]

I dont see this company lasting long. My original 2 year estimate to failure stands.

Ah yes this reminds me

[tame carbon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saRir95iIWk

This video is so great lol

when you switch the fiber over these days

just think back, to what it used to be like

they cut all the cables at the same time

[plain siren]

High Availability wasnt exactly easy to achieve or cheap so

[tame carbon]

Speedrunning a datacenter destruction https://i.imgur.com/iMqHHoZ.png

[brave wagon]

is it better to buy a router with more ports or a smaller router with a switch if i need the cables at the same place anyway

[plain siren]

Whichever is the better router

[peak cloak]

what routers are you looking at?

[brave wagon]

if pulling up the refs 2sec

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon generally on your LAN a single line from your router to a switch would be enough

LAN traffic doesnt hit the router, it just gets packet switched

routers with like 5 ports on the back for lan, are usually just a switching chip, with an internal connection to the CPU

[brave wagon]

i was looking at these two but 100$ for 3 ports is way too much im gonna take a switch

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon what kind of network speed are you looking for?

because that RB4011 is a powerhouse of a router

it has a 10G port, and two 5 port gigabit switching groups

each switching group has 2.5G to the CPU

the 10G port is directly connected to the CPU

I have the RB4011 at home here in my rack :)

[brave wagon]

i was thinking of replacing all the cables in my house with cat 6a so i want something that can take advantage

and i dont think im gonna buy a new router soon

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon I would just buy a switch

[brave wagon]

yep

[tame carbon]

the RB4011 just has the benefit of that 10G port

you can hook that up to a switch

and have 10x 1G

[brave wagon]

prolly what im gonna do

[tame carbon]

its basically a highspeed interconnect to a switch

[brave wagon]

but i dont know what switch to buy

[tame carbon]

I have my RB4011 paired with one of these ^ xD

4x 10G

[brave wagon]

god thats fast

[tame carbon]

Its just a switch

[brave wagon]

but why would you use sfp+ when you can just use cat6a cable with rj45 jacks, is there any advantage ?

[tame carbon]

It does run RouterOS, and therefor can do routing too, but it caps out around 1200mbit/s

@brave wagon SFP+ allows for multiple connection types

you plug a module in there

and then you plug your cable into that

be it copper, and the 100+ different types of fiber modules

[peak cloak]

fiber better

[tame carbon]

Fiber is more stable

and cheaper than RJ45 from SFP+

Those SFP+ to RJ45 modules cost 50 bucks or more

[peak cloak]

10gig rj45 is pushing the limits

[tame carbon]

meanwhile, fiber modules cost like 15 bucks

and patch fiber is cheaper than copper cabling

[ocean pivot]

I got a switch with 2 rj45 10g ports

[peak cloak]

what switch?

[ocean pivot]

Netgear GS110MX

[brave wagon]

so then should i run fiber through my house ?

[tame carbon]

$139

@brave wagon nah that SFP+ ideally is for short distances and high speed devices

then its cheap af

you can run fiber around the house

I have a single fiber run, from my attic to my office

and ofcourse the ISP fiber thats incoming

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/776722183119699988/777646103775674368/IMG-20200922-WA0001.jpg

My rack in the attic ^

[brave wagon]

oh and dumb question can i just put the wan from my isp in this router or do i need something else

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon mikrotik devices can be configured to do anything

there's defaults that make them act as a home router

but they can do whatever you want, on any port

[plain siren]

This is actually a potentially yes or no

Your ISP may require their gateway in the mix for Authentication

[jaunty talon]

keep in mind, you need to know how you ISP wants the WAN port to be configured if you choose to bypass the CPE

[tame carbon]

Yeah

[brave wagon]

thats alot of words

[plain siren]

Oh then you are in for a rough ride

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon depends on what kind of connection your ISP gives you.

@brave wagon you may or may not need the ISP modem

[brave wagon]

how can i check that

[plain siren]

AT&T Fiber for Example does 802.1X EAP Auth over vLAN 0 from the ISP Router/Gateway to the ONT. Without the AT&T Router, you cant auth into the network so no internet.

[plain siren]

Whos your ISP?

I got a pretty detailed list

[brave wagon]

bouygues telecom (im french)

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon before we kid ourselves, lets make sure you are not behind CG-NAT

[plain siren]

He is.

[tame carbon]

fun.

[plain siren]

Found it.

Is your router right now some generic black box looking fucker?

[tame carbon]

apt description

you hating on black boxes?

[plain siren]

When I say generic... this is really generic

[tame carbon]

mine was white

[brave wagon]

that thing

[plain siren]

BBOX

Yep.

[tame carbon]

BBOXX

@brave wagon wait didnt i Help you before?

[brave wagon]

guess im in for a ride

[brave wagon]

you did

[tame carbon]

cus that thing brings up memories

[brave wagon]

but i couldnt get aproval for my family to change anything

[tame carbon]

ideally

you need a different ISP

[brave wagon]

but now that the connexion crashes every 2 secs its impossible

[plain siren]

Depending on your region in France, you are either able to just directly Bypass, its PPOEwhatever thing, or its a cert auth

Id need regional data to determine further

[tame carbon]

@plain siren isnt this coaxial?

and sometimes these routers support a bridge mode

[plain siren]

You can bypass a Coax too.

[jaunty talon]

most of the do

[brave wagon]

what do you want

[peak cloak]

PPPoE creds, yeah

[jaunty talon]

bridge is in RFP for most ISP's

[plain siren]

I figured this, the other 2 regions were small

But PPPoE was teh word thx

[peak cloak]

most isps here in my area of the US just do DHCP

[tame carbon]

pppOe

[peak cloak]

but apparently pppoe is pretty common in Europe

[brave wagon]

yeah ppppppoepeoepeoep

[tame carbon]

Point to Point Protocol over Ethernet

that's a mouthfull

[plain siren]

There is a way to extract the credentials from the box, but unless you got some soldering skills or a firmware dated from before 2020 of April, no good there

[tame carbon]

you can also call the ISP

and ask

[brave wagon]

yep im not doing this

[plain siren]

This tbh

[brave wagon]

what should i ask

[tame carbon]

PPPoE login credentials

[plain siren]

"Give me my PPPoE Login Details."

"No"
"Yes."

[tame carbon]

"No" -> "Can I cancel my subscription?"

[plain siren]

Call enough and eventually someone bends after you get them 3 times and they get a no-completion rating

[brave wagon]

me on my way to pay 40€ in phone bills

[tame carbon]

Like

ISP customer support is 1. Unskilled. 2. Not patient

[plain siren]

Leaving 0 Stars on those surveys gets you a response in 24 hours after a few runs.

A damn good one at times

[brave wagon]

didnt you say i could maybe bypass it depending on the region

[tame carbon]

@plain siren I wrote a DIN A4's worth of text in complaint, citing sources from their own website. How the service was taking months to be online

[plain siren]

Unless you are directly on the coast or on the northern border, doubtful

[tame carbon]

And the next day, without prior heads up or appointments through lengthy stupid business processes

a guy rang the front door

"im here to bring the fiber online"

[plain siren]

Ever done a CEO Mail-Blast?

[brave wagon]

ok then im gonna call and if i get no responses find a way to change isp

but who should i change to

[tame carbon]

@plain siren no, I just wrote in the PS that if this isnt answered, I will go to the local press

[plain siren]

Top tier jerkoff if you tag in competitor contacts to humilate them

I used to love doing that

Ive had some angry phone calls

[tame carbon]

@plain siren you also laugh for the fact that the company you work for burned down their enterprise

which I think is unethical, but to each their own

[plain siren]

After I told them thats exactly what would happen

I couldnt even fucking care

[tame carbon]

Sure, okay. But you show no discretion. Which I am not entirely sure about. Its funny I'll give you that

[plain siren]

My literal final words were "Yall are fucking dumb" before signing an exit-stamp on the contract

[tame carbon]

You quit?

Good riddance

[plain siren]

There was nothing left to work on

it burned down

[tame carbon]

[plain siren]

Literally

Hahaha

[tame carbon]

@plain siren so do they now ban you for a year working somewhere else?

[plain siren]

But you show no discretion.
Living by normal standards is no fun

nah, I was onboarded as a Contractor. Internationally to cap it off

[brave wagon]

please

[tame carbon]

@plain siren ezway out

[plain siren]

So lol I was just able to say fuck this noise and yeet

They had the balls to ask me for advise after the whole burn-event

I literally had nothing to offer

the only thing in my head was "What the fuck do you want at this point? There is nothing left"

[tame carbon]

@plain siren you should change your name

Rouing, The Kindling of the Servers

your advice all these years

and look what happened?!

[plain siren]

Thats the on-floor techs job, I can save a server but I cant save a fool from his own demise

And lemme say

they were some fools

The title one carries in their profession does not shield them from the humiliation of a grand failure such as that.

I may have a mouth like you suggest, but they truly deserve the shit they got that time.

[tame carbon]

Yeah, that's why I don't negatively criticise it. Its just bold, and as I said, funny for a multitude of reasons

[plain siren]

And for that: "Let thou be judged"

[tame carbon]

xD

I was just thinking, if you were on the payroll of OVH

and had this to say about your boss, you'd be out the door with a huge defamation lawsuit

[plain siren]

oh man, and id take it court too. Id prove every word I said was true

[tame carbon]

Haha

[plain siren]

I would give cited evidence of the definition of "fool" and examples of their work

If the truth is defaming, then maybe they should change what the truth comes out to be

Instead of blaming the mirror thats spit it back in their faces

[brave wagon]

is there really no easy way to change a isp provided router for an aftermarket one

that seems dumb

[peak cloak]

depends

on my isp it's very easy

they just have an ONT

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon you should check if your isp router supports a bridge mode

[peak cloak]

and you just plug in your router in the ethernet port

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon if it does, then you can hook up your own router, and it forwards all traffic

[peak cloak]

and that's it

[tame carbon]

but you are behind a CG-NAT so its kinda irrelevant to begin with

[brave wagon]

gonna check rn

[tame carbon]

so you can just add another NAT

nobody will care

end to end is already broken, so doesnt matter

[plain siren]

The bold attitude is fun because the confidence scares people. No one bothers to question the attitude and fear being made out just the same in light of potential push-back. And when you speak the truth with such aggression, who are they to say otherwise... especially if they also know it to be just as true. If I would say that to a direct boss of mine anyways, Id be willing to bet 8/10 times, they would hang their head in shame just like everyone else regardless of authority position.

[brave wagon]

what does that do ?

[plain siren]

It hurts more when its a 25 year old.

Devily more-so when its a 25 yr old berating a bunch of old farts

[tame carbon]

@plain siren my contract got cancelled because my co-workers didnt like my criticism on code

they took it as personal injury

but the code they wrote

was total spaghet and junk

unittests that literally did nothing but waste time

[plain siren]

And I cant lie, yeah its mean, yeah its rude at times
But man is it fun.
And some need to hear it.

[tame carbon]

@plain siren took me 2 months to drill into these numbskulls that sending 1.5 million measurements from an SQL database to a browser is a bad idea

because there';s only 1080 pixels you can use to display a fucking graph

and they did all their averages and calculations on the browser

RIP 3GB ram

[plain siren]

Yikes, this is why I have pre-completion termination agreements on discorse

[plain siren]

Pffffffffft jfc

Makes you wonder how people get these jobs

[tame carbon]

@plain siren my solution: when the graph viewier is opened. Pull all the data for that object into a timeseries DB

and expose an endpoint to the browser session through a http proxy

so you can just run timeseries queries directly

get perfect graphs with like 5kB response blocks

they were so set on using SQL

they didnt want timeseries

so we use it as cache

brb dinner

[plain siren]

So like... normal solutions to these problems. Wow!
Its amazing how rare it is to find someone with their head on tight

[plain siren]

Stuck in the past

[thick minnow]

@tame carbon , remember a while back I wanted to make a plex server, but my tv was "non-smart", I do have a chromecast, so would I be able to use that to stream from that pc?

[brave wagon]

ok so the bbox doesnt support bridge

nice

[plain siren]

Yes

[brave wagon]

i have no idea why but it seems to work perfectly with a ubiquity udm pro

as long as you use vlan 100

whatever that means

[peak cloak]

link?

[brave wagon]

its in french but you can translate

https://lafibre.info/remplacer-bbox/remplacer-bbox-par-unifi-dream-machine-pro-internet-tel-ok/

[thick minnow]

Thanks, also one more question, can I use a domain and point it at it?

[peak cloak]

you have an ONT?

[brave wagon]

yes

[peak cloak]

it's seperate than the bbox right?

[brave wagon]

yep, a huawei box

[peak cloak]

alright then you just need a router than can do it

basically your internet connection is on a vlan

[brave wagon]

so i can just hook up the wan to a new router and it will work ?

[peak cloak]

kinda

you need to setup the vlan

basically create virtual interface on let's say eth0

and add dhcp client on that

and then the rest like NAT and all that fun stuff

[brave wagon]

ok im just gona watch some networking tutorial to learn about that stuff

[tame carbon]

that may be. the software they were running was like a project that been ongoing for 15 years

kinda grew out of proportion

during my 2 years of working there

I had them move to git, do data ingest via AMQP
and use caching with timeseries

and the other thing I worked on was streamlining their package solution

by making all their software and modules installable as debian packages

[twin zealot]

https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/03/whistleblower-ubiquiti-breach-catastrophic/

lol

[tame carbon]

yes

[twin zealot]

nice ubiquity

[warped storm]

I need a 2,5 gigabit switch with at least 10 ports, any suggestions?

[tame carbon]

@warped storm my suggestion would be to skip 2.5G

and go straight for 10G

[warped storm]

And the difference in price?

[tame carbon]

not that much

2.5G is kinda... how you say

irrelevant

its pretty new, not widely available on most gear

and expensive

[warped storm]

I see

Ok then, 10g for me

[tame carbon]

I'll quickly have a look see if mikrotik has any switches with 2.5G

[warped storm]

Ty crystal

[tame carbon]

nope

none

@warped storm this would be kinda what you'd be looking for

two 10G ports

and 24x 1G

[warped storm]

I can work with that

Just tell me how much

[tame carbon]

@warped storm if you are within the same rack, then SFP+ is relatively easy

all you need is a direct attach cable

those go up to 3-5 meters

[warped storm]

Yeah

[tame carbon]

RJ45 ethernet is maybe 25 meters, but not very reliable

fiber optics would be next up

not much more expensive

but distance effectively infinite

[warped storm]

I know

[tame carbon]

https://mikrotik.com/product/CRS326-24G-2SplusRM#fndtn-specifications

[warped storm]

Thanks;;

[thick minnow]

^ anyone?

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow CNAME

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNAME_record

[thick minnow]

Thnx again

[brave wagon]

is it ok to do 50m poe runs ?

[peak cloak]

the standard is rated for 100m so yes

[brave wagon]

ok thanks

and what cat of cable should i use for 10gig

some sites say 6a but other ones say its unreliable

[peak cloak]

6a would be the best imo

[brave wagon]

ok

[peak cloak]

because it's shielded

make sure you get shielded connectors as well

and connect shielding to the connector properly

[brave wagon]

and whats the deal with cat7 why is it so expensive if its only 10gig

[peak cloak]

cat 7 isn't really an official standard according to TIA/EIA

cat 6a replaced it initially

[peak cloak]

more shielding

it can do more than 10 g

[brave wagon]

well it seems like a pain to cut and install so im gonna go with 6a

[peak cloak]

@brave wagon kinda confused though because I see some pics of 6a like that and other's with just outside shielding

[brave wagon]

yeah i saw that too

im just gonna get one with good reviews on amazon or something

anyway brb im gonna check the max run length in my house

[peak cloak]

are you crimping it yourself?

you can also go to your local hardware store

that's what I did

[brave wagon]

i am

[brave wagon]

maybe gonna do that, im gonna see the easiest

and turns out im completly ok with my cable runs the longest is =~40m and thats with 7meters more to be sure

and @peak cloak do you know what sftp cable is ?

[peak cloak]

Screened Fully shielded Twisted Pair

[brave wagon]

ok so thats the "cat7a"

[peak cloak]

oh yeah, there's also different type of cat6a prob

just you can't have a UTP cat6a

I think

[brave wagon]

im gonna take sftp so im sure

im not gonna redo the cabling anytime soon so i better take a good one

[peak cloak]

that's going to be a pain to crimp

I never worked with 6a

I think there are special connectors

[brave wagon]

there must be special crimping tools for that

[peak cloak]

there are these tooless ones https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Tool-Free-Termination-Connector/dp/B074HG7SQN

[brave wagon]

i think it will be easier with tools

and cheaper

and most of the outputs are gonna be wall outlets

[peak cloak]

yeah

keystones

it's called punching down

instead of crimping

I think it's best practice to punchdown, not crimp for in-wall runs

https://www.amazon.com/Listed-Cable-Matters-Shielded-Keystone/dp/B00CLVAJCK

[brave wagon]

im probably gonna buy a rack with a patch panel on one side and the wall socket on the other

[peak cloak]

yeah

[brave wagon]

seems way better

[peak cloak]

that's best practice

just the keystones go on the wall

at the ends of the runs

at least that's how I do it

they go into something like this

[brave wagon]

thats gonna end up espensive tho

[peak cloak]

shielded cat6a can get expensive

[peak cloak]

what were planning on doing?

[brave wagon]

just long cables with both crimped ends but now that i think about it, bad idea

[peak cloak]

you can get a shielded patch panel

[brave wagon]

im probably gonna get a rack mounted one

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon depending on your needs

you can get a small bracket mount

[brave wagon]

i always dreamed of having a rack

[tame carbon]

These are cheap and effective

the gear you mount in here like a small switch and a router, doesnt have a lot of depth

[brave wagon]

im gonna get a new server soon so im gonna buy a fat one

[tame carbon]

another great one

2U vertical wallmount

[brave wagon]

thats cool

but i dont think i have space on the wall of my basement anyway

makes me think, do i need a special cable for the wan or can i just use a normal ethernet

[peak cloak]

normal ethernet

as long as your ONT has ethernet out

[brave wagon]

yep

[tame carbon]

its almost as if the people who designed these standards, knew what the heck they were doing

[peak cloak]

I got a pretty cheap one used here, but it was only 2 post

so no real servers going in that

[brave wagon]

im so exited, im gonna finaly have a real networking setup

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon in theory what you could do, is set up a VPN tunnel on a cheap VPS

and then configure that in your router

and then you can just forward traffic from your VPS to services on your network

[brave wagon]

why would i need to do that

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon well, CG-NAT prevents you from port forwarding, because you have no public IP

but you can use the public IP of a virtual server in the cloud, to route traffic through a tunnel to your router

[brave wagon]

ok but that guy on the forum made it work without that so what i dont understand is why I would need that

[tame carbon]

You are behind a CG-NAT

you dont have your own public IP

its shared.

so you have no control over what goes in and out

You know how your LAN is on 192.168.0.0, and a public IP on WAN is some other adress?

There's a mechanism at work called NAT

network address translation. In homes this basically makes the router act as the one sending traffic on the internet

and it just translates addresses back and forth for the devices on your LAN

CG-NAT is the same thing, but instead its what your ISP is doing, because there arent enough ipv4 addresses for everyone

Carrier Grade NAT

If you want to host your own webserver at home

you can use a tiny virtual server in the cloud, to act as a gateway to your services at home

because your router can connect to the server in the cloud, not the other way around

[brave wagon]

what did my bbox do to make it work then ?

[tame carbon]

make what work

[brave wagon]

port forwarding

[tame carbon]

it probably cant

have you ever had it successfully?

[brave wagon]

it can

i had a minecraft server

[tame carbon]

... ?

can you run

tracert 1.1.1.1 for me

in terminal

[brave wagon]

k 2sec

[tame carbon]

and send a screenshot

[brave wagon]

its running

ill send you when its done

im pretty sure there is my public ip in there so ill send it to you in pm

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak they aren't on CG-NAT

I double checked

I just facepalmed so hard

because I confused the number 176 with 172

[peak cloak]

oof

[tame carbon]

they do however

have a series of routers

2 local NATs

you need windows server for this shit

or a linux system :P

[kind mango]

So i don't have wireless internet in my pc so i bought an rt n12 wireless router so i could hook it up to my wifi wirelessly and then run it straight to my pc. Now i just got new internet and i cant get it to work and im kinda freaking out.... Please help me hahha🇮 Ⓜ️ ⬜ 🇸 🇨 🇦 🇷 🇪 🇩

[peak cloak]

wydm by got new internet

[kind mango]

I switched providers

And got a new plan

Just a mess rn nvm forget about it

[peak cloak]

what type of connection?

maybe you need to login with PPPoE creds?

[tame carbon]

Rt n12

sniff sniff

ASUS?

[kind mango]

Yes haha

[torn juniper]

I have 1.2GB Internet speeds upstairs that my father uses for his stay at home Job. Is there a way i can get the same speeds downstairs? Off of wifi i only get like 60mbs. Is there a Modem/Extender that can sync with the Modem and provide similar speeds?

[peak cloak]

ethernet

and for faster than gig speeds you need something that supports at least 2.5G

[torn juniper]

id have to take an ethernet cable from the back side of the upstairs, across the top floor, Down the stairs, across the house again, to go across the living room and over to my desktop

lol

is there ANY easier way

without having to buy roughly a 100FT ethernet cable

lol

[peak cloak]

ethernet over coax

[torn juniper]

How do i do

that

[peak cloak]

I have 1000ft

[peak cloak]

you have coax in the walls?

[torn juniper]

long boi, just like the dog of wisdom

[torn juniper]

yes

[peak cloak]

then moca

you want moca 2.5

that supports 2.5 g

2.0 is only 1g

it's expensive though

[torn juniper]

Im fine with recieving 1g tbh

i have a b450, im only gonna get 1g at best

lol

[peak cloak]

huh

this is moca 2.5 and one of the cheapest options

[tame carbon]

Not much choice in high speed without a cable

[peak cloak]

https://www.amazon.com/goCoax-Adapter-2-5Gbps-Ethernet-WF-803M/dp/B07XYDG7WN

you need 2 of these

btw

[torn juniper]

Why?

[tame carbon]

Moca is only apllicable if you want to reuse wires in your house

Coaxial specifically

[peak cloak]

one on each end

[peak cloak]

coax is in the wall

I'm not sure of the coax spliters need to specifically support moca

[tame carbon]

@torn juniper ethernet cable is still the best way forward

You can use a switch so you dont have to run multiple cables

[torn juniper]

Okay so im your PC hardware guy, netowkring is hella out of my league so im gonna ask some really dumb questions, bare with me

I have a cable going to my router

thats a COAX yeh?

[tame carbon]

No thats UTP

[torn juniper]

its this white cable with 1 pin on it

[tame carbon]

Oh

You mean your modem?

[torn juniper]

yes

[tame carbon]

Yeah round cable with a screw connector

[torn juniper]

yeh

[tame carbon]

Thats coaxial

[peak cloak]

coax

[torn juniper]

yeah its that thing lol

So it goes into my modem

[tame carbon]

But what @peak cloak is talking about is using coaxial inside the house. Sometimes you can reuse existing cables from ground floor to 2nd floor

In which case you can use moca

[torn juniper]

then i take an ethernet from there into the MOCA2.5 Adapter? then where does the other COAX go

[peak cloak]

back into the wall

[torn juniper]

I only have 1 coax in the room though

[peak cloak]

if you only have 1 port you may need to use a splitter

[torn juniper]

what splitter do you recommend?

[peak cloak]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tame carbon]

@torn juniper yeah just run ethernet cable :P

[peak cloak]

no clue

[peak cloak]

I guess you can read this

http://mocalliance.businesscatalyst.com/technology/Final_Best-Practices-for-Installation-of-MoCA_170516rev01.pdf

[torn juniper]

Long story short, i would have already if i could. My dad is like "I DONT WANNA TRIP" and im like "how are you gonna trip if its along the roof"

lol

[tame carbon]

Tip for running ethernet to 2nd floor: run it on the outside

[peak cloak]

I have very little clue about coax

I just know moca exists

[torn juniper]

I live in a town home

i cant

[peak cloak]

run it inside?

in the walls

[torn juniper]

How without putting a hole in the wall

[tame carbon]

Cable ducts

Along the wall

[torn juniper]

Okay how does that work

[tame carbon]

wat

[torn juniper]

How does the cable duct work? ive never even heard of that

lol

[peak cloak]

put on wall

put cable in raceway

[torn juniper]

How do i get it from the seconf floor to the first

without putting a hole in the floor

[peak cloak]

see that's the thing

you could use a stairwell

but that will look ugly

[tame carbon]

If you can't drill holes

You can glue these ducts to the wall in corner along edges

[torn juniper]

My AC is technically in the roof of the first floor, and floor of the second

I dont know where the tubes lay

[tame carbon]

You're not the first person who came in here with a cabling issue

[torn juniper]

Im sure i wont be the last

haha

The MOCA Adapter sounds hte best

price isnt an issue

[tame carbon]

Sometimes I wish there was some kind of quantum engmtangled network cable

[torn juniper]

i can call it a business expense

I just need to know how those work. Sounds like i need a splitter?

[tame carbon]

Idk

[peak cloak]

I think, but idk how coax networks work, it's black magic to me

[torn juniper]

I NEED A BLACK WIZARD

Anyone around!?!

[tame carbon]

Coax is meh

Legacy

Its not fiber so....

[torn juniper]

if i can get more than 60 MBS and stop having to pay another $95 for internet, call it a done deal

Im paying $95 for 1.2 upstairs AND $95 for downstairs

if i can chop it in half i will

lol

lol

[peak cloak]

@torn juniper yeah a splitter will work

make sure to put a moca filter though on the cable coming into your house

https://superuser.com/questions/1462807/how-to-set-up-moca-when-already-using-coaxial-for-router

@tame carbon oh boy

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak lol or you buy fibers sleeved in the same color as your wall

And hotglue them to the corner of the walks

Walls*

[torn juniper]

So if i get the MOCA Adapter, with the splitter. I can hook up a coax anywhere in my house?

So if i buy a third party modem, would that work?

[peak cloak]

depends on the whole coax spillter arrangement

do you know where coax comes into your house?

[torn juniper]

it comes in right behind my house

why

[peak cloak]

ok

trace it where it goes

you will encounter a splitter

that splitter needs to be connected to both the upstairs and downstairs coax ports

I removed all the splitters from our network since we don't use coax anyway

@tame carbon started experimenting with kuberentes today, got a cluster up and running and got a hello world deployment to run

[torn juniper]

So the spliter needs to be connected to the existing one upstairs and the one i want to connect to?

@peak cloak

[peak cloak]

yeah basically, but can split a connection off a splitter, idk though how much you can before speeds get slow, I would say at most 2. And then again idk if you need a special moca splitter but from my research so far it looks like you don't. Idk because there are also splitters advertized as moca splitters

@torn juniper https://www.motorolacable.com/coax/

[hollow marlin]

@tame carbon Looks like the r/networking mods are getting ready to troll for the 1st

[tender hazel]

@hollow marlin ugh we've had a bit of a nightmare today on our network.. our satellite upstream has a maxed out circuit from bell

[low kayak]

okay i dont know much about networking but im looking to set up a lan similiar to hamachi can a vpn server do this?

[tender hazel]

they think there is something unusual going on in the last few days, they see increased akamai traffic.. I think it is just some kind of update from either microsoft or apple or google

[hollow marlin]

Do you have any netflow monitoring going on?

[tender hazel]

we have been seeing increased traffic on our terrestrial network too

no

[jaunty talon]

netflow wouldnt help more tho?

if they know where the traffic goes already

[hollow marlin]

It would help identify the majority of the traffic

[jaunty talon]

but that was to akamai right?

[tender hazel]

on our terrestrial network we have plenty of bandwidth available so it doesn't impact us, but we can see the increase.. on the satellite network where we are running as a stub of another provider, we rely on them

and they have netflow and they show the traffic was akamai

[hollow marlin]

Those peaks would have me worried. Riding that line pretty close

[low kayak]

?

[hollow marlin]

Actually let me check our edge routers

[jaunty talon]

looks like any high bandwidth ix peering port :P

[jaunty talon]

You can do that with openvpn / wireguard / other vpn solutions as long as you allow routing inside the vpn-terminator (vpn server)

[tender hazel]

like any high bandwidth peering port? we are offering dedicated bandwidth services over this

if it is maxed out we can't provide dedicated bandwidth anymore

[low kayak]

also it wont route the client's internet connection through my pc tho right?

[tender hazel]

we can't guarantee the customer will get what they are paying for

[hollow marlin]

@tender hazel Here is on of our IX peers. Somethings up

[jaunty talon]

@tender hazel thats not good, but just looking at the port without knowing what it's used for I said it looks like a peering port :)

[tender hazel]

@hollow marlin yup that pretty much matches what we are seeing

[jaunty talon]

Seems to be something quite specific tho

since you cant see huge peaks at AMS-IX, NETNOD or LINX

[tender hazel]

I suspect it is likely some kind of update, either microsoft apple or google

some major update suddenly pushed down to large numbers of devices

[jaunty talon]

but those you would notice on the big IX's

[tender hazel]

maybe only pushed down in certain regions

[jaunty talon]

possible

but @hollow marlin is .DK based if I am not wrong

(might remember wrong) :)

[tender hazel]

I'm not sure where he is based but the dates and times of those increases certainly match up with what we are seeing

[hollow marlin]

East coast US. That is one of our peers up in Montreal

[tender hazel]

yes our issue is in montreal

[jaunty talon]

oh then i am misstaken with someone else :P

[hollow marlin]

lol no probs

[jaunty talon]

indeed then it could very well be region based content

fortnite patch for PS maybe

since PS uses a lot of akamai

"The Fortnite 16.10 patch is set to release on 04:00 AM ET or 08:00 UTC on March 30"

[low kayak]

do i need to forward ports to setup a vpn server?

[jaunty talon]

At least one, so that your clients can connect to the VPN service of your choice

[low kayak]

what if i just want to extend lan

should i explain my use case scenario?

cus im not even entirely sure if a vpn server is what i need to setup

[jaunty talon]

If you want to extend your LAN over internet, then you need port forwarding in what ever device does NAT for you

[low kayak]

hmmmm

i just want to host a mc server ;-;

but my isp uses cgnat

cant forward ports

[jaunty talon]

yeah in that case you cant do port forwarding

[low kayak]

so i was using hamachi so far

thought i could setup a vpn server as an alternative to that

[jaunty talon]

in that case you should ask your ISP to remove CGNAT, or use a VPN provider that gives you dedicated public IP

[low kayak]

how does hamachi extend lan over internet tho?

[hollow marlin]

@tender hazel @jaunty talon COD 80G update released yesterday. There's our spike

[low kayak]

cant i setup something similiar to that on my end independently?

[jaunty talon]

But isnt that distributed over battle.net? @hollow marlin

maybe they do akamai offloading now also tho

[hollow marlin]

Not a clue how its distributed lol

[tender hazel]

Do you have a link to show that?

I'm sure that is probably the case but I'd like to give some kind of proof that it released yesterday

[hollow marlin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CODWarzone/comments/mh0jkr/80gb_update_lol/ I dreaded going to that sub

Pinned post on the main page from yesterday too

[jaunty talon]

I am pretty sure they do most of they CDN through AS57976

But maybe have akamai offload if their CDN goes full

[hollow marlin]

I wouldn't doubt it. Now that patches seem to be 50-200GB, they will have distribute the load more

[jaunty talon]

But COD makes sense, since EU doesn't care about it as much as US

That's why there are no huge peaks at EU IX's

[low kayak]

is there any other way to extend lan without port forwarding?

[jaunty talon]

The reason hamachi works is because you connect into their mesh.

[low kayak]

i see...

how do i find alternatives to hamachi?

what type of service is this called?

[unreal badger]

I think it qualifies as a virtual network.

[low kayak]

is tailscale a similiar thing?

[jaunty talon]

@low kayak i did a google. https://beebom.com/hamachi-alternatives/

[low kayak]

oh-

aight ill look into it ty

[hollow marlin]

@jaunty talon Btw, work just agreed to cover my JNCIE-SP, received the study bundle and ho boy, the lab looks like it'll be fun

[jaunty talon]

it's nice!

i have never written it myself but i have gone through the labs a few times

[low kayak]

whats ....ethernet bridging?

do i need to enable that?

[jaunty talon]

i doubt that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridging_(networking)

[low kayak]

yea but it sounded kinda like the lan extension that i need to do

but shouldnt connecting to a mesh already accomplish that?

[hollow marlin]

First of the few super labs. Allocating time properly is going to be the most difficult part

[jaunty talon]

yep!

[tame carbon]

Wtf is this

[desert briar]

lol

[tame carbon]

Madison tech tips

Unsubscribe

[untold remnant]

You forgot the "Only Fans" part

[tame carbon]

I made that joke elsewhere

[plain siren]

[untold remnant]

Oof

[thick minnow]

Hell

[tame carbon]

You're quite right

[thick minnow]

I'd like to skip forward to tomorrow :DD

[plain siren]

🌩️

[waxen scroll]

@hollow marlin dat r/networking new logo

[peak cloak]

you can use zerotier

[snow lance]

so we supposedly shouldve got 150 mbps internet, but i dont go past 95 mbps

and my network chip thing in my mobo should be able to do 1 gigabit

but today i noticed it said this in event viewer

could that be why?

[peak cloak]

cable

not negotiating to 1000Base-T

[clear igloo]

What model box(es) do you have from your ISP or that you're connected to?

[hollow marlin]

"Enterprise networking"

[snow lance]

ahhhhhhhhh

so i need a 1 gbps cable?

[peak cloak]

well that could be one part

show a pic of the end of the cable

it should have 8 wires

[lavish cliff]

What is x.25?

[peak cloak]

in what context

[snow lance]

i dont have any from my isp, im plugged into some linksys router in ap mode into a asus rt-ac51u that goes directly into the wall

[snow lance]

ight

[peak cloak]

ok so cable is not that issue

[thick minnow]

You guys see what's happening in #public-chat ?

[peak cloak]

you can try this

go into the router

[snow lance]

ye im in

[peak cloak]

now

idk where it would be

[peak cloak]

look for something like tis

for both LAN and WAN

[snow lance]

i dont see that anywhere

wan

lan

[peak cloak]

show what is under internet connection

you can block out public IP

[peak cloak]

huh

[snow lance]

could it be the linksys?

linksys ea6100

same happened on my TL-WR940N tho

[peak cloak]

somewhere along the path it's not negoiating to gigabit speeds

look at all the cables along the path maybe

[snow lance]

ok lemme see the one that go into linksys

also 8 wires

[hollow marlin]

Site says "4 Fast Ethernet Ports", 100mbps is all you'll get wired

[waxen scroll]

@hollow marlin probably worse than that TBH

[snow lance]

im gonna try plugging my pc straight into router

[waxen scroll]

you know that just cause the port is 1000 doesnt mean it'll do 1000 for all ports on the backplane

[peak cloak]

are you plugged into that or the router?

[snow lance]

now im plugged straight into my main asus rt-ac51u router

still 95 mbps

says the same

[peak cloak]

because that can't do anything more than 100mbps

oh

[snow lance]

the main router?

[peak cloak]

and

the RT-AC51U only has 10/100 ports too

so

there you go

don't you love it when they advertize wifi speeds of 300 mbps

when the wan port can only go to 100mbps

[snow lance]

bruuuh

i need to buy yet another fucking router

ok do you know a good one that isnt to expensive?

[peak cloak]

don't know much in the consumer space

[hollow marlin]

Mikrotik hAP ac2, can't beat it for the price

[tender hazel]

Or the new hap ac3

[peak cloak]

you could also get the ac3 for better wifi

[snow lance]

uh

[hollow marlin]

$70 vs $100, and if you get get your hands on a AC3

[snow lance]

it doesnt show up doe

[brave wagon]

should i buy mikrotik stuff on amazon ?

[hollow marlin]

But im still curious to see real world results of how much better it is wireless wise.

[brave wagon]

or should i use a specialized store

[tender hazel]

The ac3’s are skipping from the mikrotik warehouse in the next week or two. We got an update yesterday

[peak cloak]

it does, just it has the longer model number

[snow lance]

is it RBD53GR?

[peak cloak]

hap ac3 is the RBD53iG-5HacD2HnD

[snow lance]

ah

thats expensive

oof

[peak cloak]

the ac2 is RBD52G-5HacD2HnD-TC

[snow lance]

doesnt show up

[brave wagon]

my summer car money

[hollow marlin]

Top left is the AC2, but thats not the board number

[snow lance]

its also not in stock anywhere for some reason

there we go in stock

is there something cheaper thatll do 1 gigabit?

[peak cloak]

the ac2

[snow lance]

this one?

[peak cloak]

that's the hap ac lite TC

it can't do gigabit only 500mbps

https://mikrotik.com/product/RB952Ui-5ac2nD-TC#fndtn-testresults

[snow lance]

good enough

[tender hazel]

No

[snow lance]

were supposed to have 150 mbps so its alright

[peak cloak]

wait

no

nevermind

@snow lance

[snow lance]

what

[peak cloak]

it has 10/100

[tender hazel]

The hap Ac lite only has 100Mbps ports

[snow lance]

oof

[peak cloak]

^

500mbps routing speed

[snow lance]

so

does a router with 1 gigabit ports exist for $50-70?

[peak cloak]

the hap ac2

[snow lance]

whats the long model number

[peak cloak]

https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2

RBD52G-5HacD2HnD-TC

[snow lance]

this one?

[peak cloak]

looks like it

[snow lance]

does it have better or worse wifi than asus rt-ac51u

[peak cloak]

idk about the wifi performance of that

[brave wagon]

you can take a a really cheap one and use your old one as a wap

if it can do that

[snow lance]

smort

[tender hazel]

It should be better Wi-Fi because the asus is single chain

The hap ac2 is dual chain

[snow lance]

my dad say he know the mikrotik ones but the ui is like garbage

[peak cloak]

the ui doesn't look good

[snow lance]

is it still true?

oof lmao

[peak cloak]

but it's really powerful

[snow lance]

hmmmm

[peak cloak]

and it will do whatever you want basically

[brave wagon]

apparently the ui is not good looking but its amazing

[snow lance]

he say he know a dude where he can get them for big cheap

[peak cloak]

http://demo2.mt.lv/webfig/

you can try it out here

[snow lance]

oh pog

[brave wagon]

is it normal that i cant find any switches with prime on amazon

[snow lance]

thats a lot of settings

yes

[peak cloak]

there is also a quick set menu for less advanced users

[tender hazel]

You can use the iPhone or Android app to manage if if you want a simpler UI

manage it

[snow lance]

nah its all good rly all i gotta do with it is a little port forwarding lmao

[brave wagon]

my orbi has a android app, worse thing i have on my phone

even the ikea iot is better

[thick minnow]

qisaaa rooo

[snow lance]

so i get ap2

ight

[tender hazel]

The mikrotik phone app is really good

[snow lance]

pog pog

i will go eat food

bye

thanks for the help

[tender hazel]

It has this port forwarding wizard

[thick minnow]

awesome pfp

[snow lance]

thanks lmao

[tender hazel]

Which makes setting up port forwards a lot easier

[snow lance]

nice

[elder hazel]

Made a map of my network 😄

[thick minnow]

Ahhh yes a man of culture

3DS

[tame carbon]

@elder hazel did you change your passwords yet?

[elder hazel]

Yeah and I didnt have my controller linked to UniFi anyway

[tame carbon]

still a shitfest lol

pw stored in the cloud 🤦

[elder hazel]

cause I host the controller myself saves me $$$ x3

[elder hazel]

❤️ KeePassXC and my Yubikey

[tame carbon]

nice

[elder hazel]

i have over 200 unique passwords with avg length of 27. normal 16 if Im gonna have to type it but if not then is 32

[elder hazel]

Nice pfp I know who that artist is x3

[tame carbon]

@elder hazel Pokefound yes

[elder hazel]

indeed

[elder hazel]

Man of culture haha

[tender hazel]

I like how you number your sisters instead of using names

Unless that’s what you actually call each other. “Good afternoon, sister 2.” “Good afternoon, brother 1, how are you?”

[tame carbon]

god forbid you get them mixed up

xD

[snow lance]

I was bored so I abused my old crappy router I don't use do any of you know what components are what

im guessing the chip with the Q is the cpu and the zentel is ram?

[peak cloak]

that's really old

[tame carbon]

@snow lance correct

CPU in the middle, that other thing is a ram chip

[snow lance]

ye it sucked ass lmao

[tame carbon]

Those black boxes are optoisolators

[snow lance]

whats the D20601 one

whats that

[tame carbon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opto-isolator

Often used to electrically isolate ethernet from internal electronics

[snow lance]

ahhh

smart

[peak cloak]

@snow lance https://datasheet.lcsc.com/szlcsc/2008211608_JWD-D20601G_C722243.pdf

[snow lance]

oh its a transformer

https://tenor.com/view/cat-silly-roll-autobots-roll-out-gif-5502503

i got 30 mbps on this router

is the UTH16T05 also a optoisolator?

[tame carbon]

I just looked it up

it isnt

its is however a filter for network

so old

[snow lance]

lmao ya it is old

[tame carbon]

these days it would be with optocouplers ye

[snow lance]

but wdym filter for network

[snow lance]

how old?

[tame carbon]

@snow lance network filter IC

I assume it smooths signals

[snow lance]

ah

smort smort

i may have shorted the board

[tame carbon]

but its EOL

they arent manufacturered anymore

cant find a datasheet anywhere

[snow lance]

LMAOOO

nice

how fast is this thing

[tame carbon]

lol

@snow lance dont you see the oscillator?>

25Mhz

[snow lance]

whut

[tame carbon]

btw I looked up that IC in the middle

that's a quallcom chip

integrated circuit with most likely a CPU and network controller built in

[elder hazel]

Well I aint gotta put real name on the internet like my family wifi ssid isnt family it my last name

[snow lance]

ah ye

[thick minnow]

Qualcomm made router CPUs?

[snow lance]

is it this?

750 mhz and 32 mb ram

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow its just an arm system most likely

or MIPS

@snow lance sounds about right

[snow lance]

broooo

linus gaming on router video when?

😂😂😂

is 750 mhz bad?

ik my current router has 32 mb ram

[tame carbon]

My 10G capable router: https://i.imgur.com/EjrAIsR.png

1GB ram is a bit overkill, routerOS can run on 64MB just fine

once you start doing bandwidth queues, you need a little more ram

@snow lance these were the wireless leads? https://i.imgur.com/FUVhezN.jpg

[snow lance]

yes

[snow lance]

bruh lmao

gaeming

this crappy old router intrigues me

i love tearing shit apart and see how it works

[graceful merlin]

u know , it will turn to gb sizes ram in router in future

[tame carbon]

yis

[snow lance]

[hollow marlin]

RAM will not change for some time. Outside specific scenarios, routers do not need much RAM. GB of RAM is useless in most cases

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin how big is a full BGP table?

[hollow marlin]

1 v4 table is around ~GB, but it varies between vendors and how they store it

[tame carbon]

rip the v6 users

@hollow marlin there's another v6 excuse for ya

Silicon shortage has resulted in lack of v6

[hollow marlin]

v6 table is much smaller but larger NLRIs, memory is lower than v4 anyway. I know ROS v7 was supposed to catch up to 2012 in terms of how BGP stores and parses data. I think they slashed memory usage

[tame carbon]

v7?!

[plain siren]

Wait what

[tame carbon]

Let's all just use IPv9

[plain siren]

Did I read that right

Or am I stupid

as that reads

[tame carbon]

I-PIE-VEE-NEIN

[hollow marlin]

RouterOS v7

[tame carbon]

oh

[plain siren]

My ass it did

[tame carbon]

https://ipv6excuses.com/

[plain siren]

Liars

[tame carbon]

End users don't care about IPv6

AWS doesn't support it

We don't need that many addresses

[plain siren]

It does

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/vVUhaBP.png

[plain siren]

Ah

Bat, meet face

[tame carbon]

What do you mean I have to wrap an IP in square brackets?

I don't want to lose the security provided by NAT

[plain siren]

If a programmer ever asks me that, Im sending them to a school for regex

until they realize why I sent them to a school for regex

:ff03 is your port< excuse me what r u thinkin

[tame carbon]

pfft

you dont need regex for a minimalist webserver :3

wrote one in 50 lines of code

string compares on happy path only

anything else returns 301

or was it 400

BAD_REQUEST

pretty sure I did implement HTTP413

when a single line in the request exceeds max memory of the mcu

[hollow marlin]

@tame carbon Watched their ROS v7 video again and they mentioned full v4/v6 tables with ~400mb RAM

I guess in 6.x it was 1.8GB for reference