networking

[spice gust]

Dang

[tame carbon]

and access points you can just add

[spice gust]

Okay I will save and buy that one

[tame carbon]

@spice gust that one is very much overkill

I have a 10gbit switch connected to that port

that goes to my NAS/server and workstation

[spice gust]

Xbox live thing keeps changing from open to blocked

It keeps changing

[tame carbon]

disable upnp

but leave the dmz enabled

[spice gust]

Did it

What is nat type strict

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak help me 😢

[peak cloak]

@tame carbon NAT type is so confusing

like wtf is it

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak yeah but this router is

@peak cloak even crazier

it doesnt even allow any port forward

DMZ doesnt work

or perhaps it works, but he still can't play CoD warzone or join any game

lol

maybe ISP blocking things, or some other issue at play

[peak cloak]

you checked for cgnat?

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak ONT showed a WAN IP

[peak cloak]

huh

ok

weird

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/mKiXopO.png

@spice gust what is plugged into this device?

is there another device?

[spice gust]

What do you mean

[tame carbon]

what's plugged into the WAN

[spice gust]

iDk

[tame carbon]

take a picture

[spice gust]

I have Ethernet

[tame carbon]

yeah, chances are

you can remove this entire device

[spice gust]

And re add

[tame carbon]

and replace it entirely

with something else

[spice gust]

Like

A new computer

Right

[tame carbon]

no, just a router xD

[spice gust]

I can’t

[tame carbon]

I want to know how it gets its internet

[spice gust]

It’s the router from our service

I will send a pic

Give me 10min

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak see how it says ONT WAN > DHCP client

@peak cloak I think the ONT is just a seperate box with a bridge

in which case you can just ditch the ISP device

and use your own

[spice gust]

I am so confused

😂

[tame carbon]

@spice gust ONT ^ is the box that converts fiber signal into ethernet

[spice gust]

Yah I have one

[tame carbon]

yeah but if its just an ethernet bridge

[spice gust]

I have see it

Have seen it

[tame carbon]

then you can completely replace the ISP router

and plug your own directly into that ONT

[spice gust]

I can

Oh

I will do so

When I can

[tame carbon]

@spice gust like, I am speculating

https://i.imgur.com/mKiXopO.png

It says here

Conn type

DHCP Client

which means, it just asks the ONT for your Public IP

(I have the same basically)

[peak cloak]

@spice gust show pic of your router

[spice gust]

These keeps changing

Why

Okay

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak that thing is on crack

[spice gust]

@peak cloak one sec

https://www.buyyourownmodem.com/arris-nvg468mq-triple-play-residential-gateway-windstream-frontier-approved/

This is my router

I can’t take pic

I am in class

@peak cloak

[peak cloak]

ok

[tame carbon]

look at this marketing ew

@peak cloak

[peak cloak]

so it's just a router

[spice gust]

Yeah

[peak cloak]

are you using moca or ethernet

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/pT5pW0W.png

@peak cloak its fiber optic

[spice gust]

Ethernet

[peak cloak]

yeah but verizon/frionter uses moca sometimes to connect ONT to router

to use existing coax

[spice gust]

What should I click

Both

Or what

[tame carbon]

check both

and click allow

[spice gust]

Did

My nat type in game is moderate now

[tame carbon]

@spice gust the ethernet you get to your router. Where does that come from

thats the box we are interested in

[spice gust]

I actully have no clue

[tame carbon]

well figure that one out :)

@peak cloak does frontier do any funny business on their devices?

[peak cloak]

frontier is owned by fios I think now

[tame carbon]

like voip and such?

Im not familair with ISPs

[peak cloak]

no? there is a phone port on the ONT

[tame carbon]

I only speak standards xD

@peak cloak and by funny business I ment

[peak cloak]

the ONT does all the vlan stuff with IPTV, VOIP, etc.

[tame carbon]

do they do any vendor locks?

[peak cloak]

you can't change the ONT

[tame carbon]

yea

but this device that they are using

[peak cloak]

but other than that, no

[tame carbon]

ZIply whatever ARRIS

that isnt the ONT is it?

[peak cloak]

no

[tame carbon]

so you can ditch it

[peak cloak]

the thing he sent?

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak ye

[peak cloak]

no that's just the router

[tame carbon]

I tried to port forward on that piece of junk

and its broken

@spice gust what was that other router you said you bought?

is it a tplink?

[spice gust]

Linkskys

Wrtx

[tame carbon]

mh

[peak cloak]

my ont

goes to router you can see on the right

[spice gust]

Linksys WRT32X AC3200 Dual-Band WiFi Gaming Router with Killer Prioritization Engine https://www.amazon.com/dp/B072LQZFHM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_P3APV677HR4S44C0A3M2

This is my router

[peak cloak]

Killer Prioritization Engine

[tame carbon]

[peak cloak]

wait so you are using that?

[spice gust]

No

[peak cloak]

or the ISP?

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak no he has this

[peak cloak]

oh ok

[spice gust]

ISP

[tame carbon]

so we could..

replace it with that

[peak cloak]

just unplug and plug in

if it's ethernet

[tame carbon]

it says its dhcp

[peak cloak]

and not moca

[tame carbon]

over ethernet

[spice gust]

But this one has an issue

It doesn’t transfer over 100mbs

[tame carbon]

wat

[spice gust]

Yah

I used before

I only get 100

But on the other one i get 500

[peak cloak]

cable?

[tame carbon]

not advertising properly?

[peak cloak]

100mbps is the verge between 100Base-T and 1000Base-T

[tame carbon]

you either have 10, 100 or 1000

https://i.imgur.com/mKiXopO.png

[spice gust]

I have 1000

[tame carbon]

here it says 1000/Full

[spice gust]

It’s says

[tame carbon]

yeah

thats gigabit ethernet

[spice gust]

But on the other router I get 100

[tame carbon]

return it

[spice gust]

What if I disconnected ether and connected to wifi

[tame carbon]

if you still can

[spice gust]

I can’t

It’s been 3gears

Years

[tame carbon]

k

@spice gust is the router where you also want wifi?

or do you want to have it elsewhere, or perhaps even multiple APs

[spice gust]

Yeah

It is wifi and Ethernet

[tame carbon]

@spice gust yeah but I am about to recommend you something

[spice gust]

Okay

I don’t care about the speed I jsut wanna be able to play my game on my computer

[onyx hawk]

Yo , i have different router , one ISP router other synology. i did setup synology into wirelessly mode (like WDS or repeater mode) , connected to ISP Router. But that comes problem is DCHP . tried using same ip as ISP router address . 192.168.1.x Dont work (no internet) so changed like 192.168.2.x and internet up . wtf is that 😄

[spice gust]

Because I can play on PS4

[tame carbon]

@spice gust https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac3

[spice gust]

But I can’t on Pc

[tame carbon]

@spice gust this one has good wireless and can route up to 2gbit/s

[spice gust]

Okay

I will ask my dad

[tame carbon]

alternatively

https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2

[peak cloak]

of course it wouldn't work like that, each device needs a seperate IP

[tame carbon]

this one is cheaper, same performance

[spice gust]

Okay

[tame carbon]

it just has less coverage

[spice gust]

Jsut help me play my game

That’s all I need

[tame carbon]

@spice gust yeah you replace that ISP thing with this

and then you can forward properly.

[spice gust]

But it used to wirk

Work

[tame carbon]

wait

[spice gust]

Like after cod patch on Tuesday

[onyx hawk]

@peak cloak well i watched youtube. they can do same ip but i cant 😄

[spice gust]

It stopped working

[tame carbon]

@spice gust you should have mentioned that before

[spice gust]

Oh

My bad

[peak cloak]

wut, no. Whatever video you watched is wrong

[tame carbon]

before I went through all this trouble

[spice gust]

I thought I did

I am sorry

[tame carbon]

xD

its cool

at least you learned something about networking 🤣

[spice gust]

Yup,

I am very instrested in tech

So what might be the issue

It’s been like this since the patch on tuesdays

[tame carbon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/776722183119699988/777646103775674368/IMG-20200922-WA0001.jpg

my network rig ^

[spice gust]

Nice

Sick

U will never have and issue

[tame carbon]

switch is in the office connected through that one spooled up fiber

the ISP fiber is on the left

[spice gust]

Nice

[tame carbon]

goes into an SFP to ethernet media converter

[spice gust]

So is there a fix to this game

[tame carbon]

@spice gust I dont know

[spice gust]

It only is like it on this game

[tame carbon]

if an update broke the game

then its safe to assume the game is broken

[spice gust]

But all my friends are fine

Tho

They play pc

[tame carbon]

even though I have it my name, I don't have a Crystal ball that can fix an issue by pure insight

@spice gust you could try resetting the ISP router, and see what happens

[spice gust]

Oh yah I can do that

Maybe

I will try

[tame carbon]

@onyx hawk what is the issue

[peak cloak]

IPTV

not working apparently on wifi

from his AP

[tame carbon]

yeah no shit

cus its multicast

[peak cloak]

yeah

that's what I thought

[tame carbon]

I've never seen a wifi ap with snooping xD

[peak cloak]

ah lol

idk how IPTV works

or multicast really?

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak the router runs an IGMP proxy

and has LAN bridge configured as downstream

[peak cloak]

yeah but it should still work on wifi, no?

[tame carbon]

switches can use IGMP snooping

to see if a device has joined a multicast group

it basically keeps a tiny switching list

so instead of broadcasting

the switch only casts to devices in that multicast group

@peak cloak https://i.imgur.com/wnCznqc.png

the local multicast router is just an IGMP proxy on your router

@peak cloak his wireless AP probably isnt doing snooping

[peak cloak]

yeah

[gloomy saffron]

ok so about earlier i cant even do anything with me internet. i mean i kind of get it its at&t but i really need help. i cant load yt games or anything

[peak cloak]

@onyx hawk

there is your answer

[gloomy saffron]

does anyone know how to fix really slow internet im paying for 45mbps download and like 6 upload and im getting 0.08

[peak cloak]

ethernet?

[gloomy saffron]

yes

[peak cloak]

dsl?

[gloomy saffron]

and it was slow so i tried wifi

what is dsl

[peak cloak]

type of internet

dialup, dsl, cable, fiber,

[gloomy saffron]

umm

how do i check

[stray plover]

sorry to barge in, gotta show some appreciation for the pfp. iconic.

[peak cloak]

oh yeah it was a joke with friends

I just kept it

[peak cloak]

look at the modem

[gloomy saffron]

i mean it is def not dialup but kinda feels like it xD but umm how do i check

where

[peak cloak]

what's going into it

[gloomy saffron]

cable

[peak cloak]

is it a phone cable

a coax cable

a fiber cable?

[gloomy saffron]

umm

let me check

[peak cloak]

take a pic

[gloomy saffron]

i cant

if i move it is instantly disconnects

[tame carbon]

"Cable"

@gloomy saffron what kind of network connection is it?

[gloomy saffron]

wdym

i am on ethernet

[tame carbon]

Yeah, but that is local.

I am interested in what your ISP is using to provide your internet service

[gloomy saffron]

i tried to get fiber but i couldn't

def not dial up

[tame carbon]

dial up is faster than 0.08

[gloomy saffron]

it goes up and down

like im getting 45mbps download

supposedly

[tame carbon]

@gloomy saffron yeah but what is it feeding from

[gloomy saffron]

but when i play games i get like 500000 ping every 10 seconds

[tame carbon]

show us a picture of the back of your modem

[gloomy saffron]

if i move it is disconnects

let me try though

[tame carbon]

We're trying to figure out what the physical layer is

all else, is irrelevant for now

if its a DSL line you could be having line errors

if its Coaxial, it could be limited bandwidth in the area

like

we need to know

or else its just wild guesses.

[gloomy saffron]

that goes into the router

but the router side it buried

[tame carbon]

how many pins does that have?

[gloomy saffron]

idk

[tame carbon]

Like I cant tell either

[gloomy saffron]

how do i even know

im not like a wizard with this

im just tired of really laggy internet

[tame carbon]

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0252/1897/3741/products/CN1-002-4C-01.jpg?v=1567190592

if it was this ^

then its DSL

8 wires is ethernet

4 (smaller connector but looks similar) is old telephone or DSL

[gloomy saffron]

idk but im letting you know my brothers dont experience this

im the only one

[peak cloak]

he's on the same connection?

[gloomy saffron]

yeah

[peak cloak]

like connected to the same router

[gloomy saffron]

same router on ethernet

[tame carbon]

@gloomy saffron https://sourceforge.net/projects/winmtr/

download this

[peak cloak]

but on the same connection as yours or just same router model?

[gloomy saffron]

yeah

i dont know how he would be on a different one

[tame carbon]

@gloomy saffron download that program. enter this: and press start
https://i.imgur.com/XUxDJ4B.png

[gloomy saffron]

what does it do

[tame carbon]

its a traceroute

but its continous

so we can see packet loss over time

and 1.1.1.1 is cloudflare DNS

usually the best ping

[gloomy saffron]

will it disconnect anybody i know it sounds dumb but ill get into trouble

[tame carbon]

nah

[peak cloak]

no

[tame carbon]

its just pinging

[gloomy saffron]

ok

[tame carbon]

but it first uses traceroute to figure out the route to 1.1.1.1

and then it pings each router in the chain

if you have packet loss or latency spikes

we can figure out where its coming from

[gloomy saffron]

yeah

[tame carbon]

leave it running for like a bit

if your issues are intermittened

might need to run for a couple minutes

[gloomy saffron]

ok its running

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak btw, mikrotik traceroute is super fancy https://i.imgur.com/F6haUVL.png

it has a little histogram built it in :D

[gloomy saffron]

ok its been running for a bit

what do i do now

[tame carbon]

screenshot

[gloomy saffron]

some of them have ip's

[tame carbon]

yeah your ISPs exchange router IP

but not your own

[gloomy saffron]

what is that

[tame carbon]

@gloomy saffron your router talks to your ISPs router

the first entry in that traceroute

is your own router

but its starting with 192.168

which is a private LAN

not publicly routed.

[peak cloak]

yeah it's fine, none of them are your WAN ip

[gloomy saffron]

this?

[tame carbon]

bad route.

[peak cloak]

oh boy

[gloomy saffron]

huh

[peak cloak]

that one worst

[tame carbon]

you cant do shit.

[peak cloak]

this is all ISP side

[tame carbon]

this is your ISP who is at fault

[gloomy saffron]

who is ISP

[tame carbon]

Internet Service Provider

[gloomy saffron]

LETS GO

i knew IT!

any fix or no though

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak not entirely convinced

like this looks like either a line issue

consistent 260ms latency

[gloomy saffron]

yay att internet!

[tame carbon]

@gloomy saffron if its a DSL line (basically old telephone wires just for broadband internet)

then it needs maintenance xD

this cant be just you

your brothers have to feel this too

[gloomy saffron]

my friend had it and it was horrible like he couldn't do anything and he switched to xfinity and he doesn go higher than 20 ping

i mean i see them maybe they just got use to it

[peak cloak]

well yeah xfinity is cable

[gloomy saffron]

im more hot headed

[peak cloak]

better than dsl

[gloomy saffron]

so i get angry

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak oh so it is cable

[gloomy saffron]

at bad internet

[peak cloak]

xfinity is cable

[gloomy saffron]

i see them with around 100 ping

[peak cloak]

for the most part

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak what is this though, line failure?

or is this a congested link/

[peak cloak]

no he has att, this is prob dsl

[tame carbon]

because this behavior

[gloomy saffron]

btw thx for help it is much appreciated 🙂

[peak cloak]

he's talking about his friend which has better latency

[tame carbon]

@gloomy saffron wait

@gloomy saffron can you copy text to clipboard in winmtr

paste it into notepad, and then copy the hostname https://i.imgur.com/RTLVqoF.png

and then ping -t it directly

should give us a clearer picture of the jittering on the line

because if it is doing what I am suspecting it is doing

this is probably DSL transmissions on a bad line

[gloomy saffron]

wait hold on

i closed it do i run another test

[tame carbon]

@gloomy saffron dont bother

open commandline

and run

tracert 1.1.1.1

[gloomy saffron]

wait hold on slow down

oh wait

im dumb

r u talking to me

[tame carbon]

yes

[gloomy saffron]

oh

ok

so what do i do first

[tame carbon]

@gloomy saffron open commandline

[gloomy saffron]

whats that

[tame carbon]

press windows key and search for cmd

then press enter

[gloomy saffron]

ok

command prompt

[tame carbon]

in there

type tracert 1.1.1.1

[gloomy saffron]

ok

[tame carbon]

once that finished

[gloomy saffron]

yeah

[tame carbon]

do you see the 2nd entry?

https://i.imgur.com/d9o1jmR.png

like this ^

that IP at the end there

do ping <ip> -t

where <ip> is that address on the 2nd line

[gloomy saffron]

ok hold on ill do that

with those little <> to

[tame carbon]

thats just a placeholder

since Idk what that number is

for me it would be ping 46.243.152.3 -t

but that is my ISP router

[gloomy saffron]

its doing something

[tame carbon]

you have to use your own, its the 2nd entry in that traceroute you did

@gloomy saffron yeah it should now continously be pinging the router from your ISP

[gloomy saffron]

yup

[tame carbon]

on the other side of that cable that goes into the ground

what is it behaving like?

[gloomy saffron]

its like 18 18 18 18 17 125 75 25 17 18 18

27

[tame carbon]

so its averaging around 25~

[gloomy saffron]

jumping a lot

[tame carbon]

a bit of jitter is expected

[gloomy saffron]

yeah but jumps to hundres

[tame carbon]

yeah

but is it like 2-3 packets with high ping

and then normal again?

[gloomy saffron]

yeah

18 18 18

[tame carbon]

make the terminal a bit longer

[gloomy saffron]

what

[tame carbon]

make it big

https://i.imgur.com/eegWq6l.png

then screenshot

[gloomy saffron]

ok

its pushing me down

[tame carbon]

thats fine

just make sure we got one of those pingspikes in the frame

[gloomy saffron]

i cant

its really high up there

[tame carbon]

then wait

[gloomy saffron]

every time a new one comes

[tame carbon]

wait until it happens

then snap a screenie

[gloomy saffron]

why

does it show something

[tame carbon]

well

[gloomy saffron]

is doing little jumps

[tame carbon]

in perfect world it does this: https://i.imgur.com/tcfT3Oh.png

that's on fiber optics.

[tame carbon]

yeah up to 15ms up and down is acceptable on DSL

[gloomy saffron]

but there was like 200

[tame carbon]

yeah 200 indicates a problem

that means there was a transmission failure

and it retransmits the data

which takes a bit longer

[tame carbon]

that looks stable enough ^

a bit of jitter is expected on DSL

[gloomy saffron]

yeah but ingames its goes like 20 ping 200 ping in like 10 seconds every30 seconds

[tame carbon]

I was on DSL a long time ago

and I had spikes of 800ms sometimes

and some packet loss too

[gloomy saffron]

on att internet

[tame carbon]

DSL

[gloomy saffron]

whats that

[tame carbon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_subscriber_line

@gloomy saffron the ethernet that your ISP provides uses some long distance signal technique

you probably have a DSL line

which is 4 copper wires

but the problem is that if they arent replaced after 20-30 years

[gloomy saffron]

is that bad

[tame carbon]

or not maintained properly

[gloomy saffron]

oh ok

[tame carbon]

then you can have signal issues

[gloomy saffron]

i see workers out there all the time

what are they doing!

[tame carbon]

DSL is also subject to interference

[gloomy saffron]

and my friend changed his ISP to xfinity and he has no problem

[tame carbon]

DSL is that 4 wire connector

[gloomy saffron]

yeah i ave that

hsve

[tame carbon]

yeah, if you can log into the modem

you can check DSL line status

and see if its spewing errors

[gloomy saffron]

how

[tame carbon]

in commandline run ipconfig /all

[gloomy saffron]

alright

do i look where it says dsl

[tame carbon]

nah we need to figure out the IP address of your modem/router first xD

[gloomy saffron]

how

[tame carbon]

you ran that command yeah?

[peak cloak]

probobly upgrading lines

[gloomy saffron]

yeah

[peak cloak]

dsl is already deprecated on verizon

[tame carbon]

@gloomy saffron the field you are looking for is Default Gateway

https://i.imgur.com/pRK0vmM.png

thats the IP of your own router

just put that in your webbrowser with http:// in front of it

@peak cloak I actually bought a console cable to give these old 3com switches a new life xD

rs-232 ftw

it uses an RJ45 jack

[peak cloak]

I found a good deal on a used edgerouter lite 3

[gloomy saffron]

mine... looks different

[peak cloak]

show

[tame carbon]

no you got the wrong one, that's link local

[gloomy saffron]

i found it

it was under it

ok im here

at that page the http thing

[tame carbon]

cool

now to login

if this hasnt been configured before

just google the model name of the device and add the words default password

[gloomy saffron]

i dont know the login

[tame carbon]

you'd be surprised how many people dont change their router password xD

[gloomy saffron]

wiat hold on

[gloomy saffron]

model name of what

[tame carbon]

@gloomy saffron screenshot the login screen

[gloomy saffron]

im already logged in i think

[tame carbon]

almost all of these things are easily found on google

[gloomy saffron]

like i see everything

[tame carbon]

kk\

[gloomy saffron]

all devices

names

[tame carbon]

well, can you see DSL status?

send me a full screenshot of the page in DM

@peak cloak he has bonded VDSL2

[gloomy saffron]

ok

[tame carbon]

and it pretty much explains what we are seeing

its stable, with minor glitches

https://i.imgur.com/Xzf92K7.png

but its within limits https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825078785942618192/825079865979961395/unknown.png

[gloomy saffron]

so what do i do

[tame carbon]

nothing

[gloomy saffron]

so what is causing my bad internet

[tame carbon]

its DSL.

Its not 100% perfect.

fiber optics are 100% reliable

[gloomy saffron]

its not available in my area though

other wise we would've

[tame carbon]

but VDSL2 is already pushing bandwidth on copper

[gloomy saffron]

should i try switching my ISP

[tame carbon]

and then adding a bonded pair, increases throughput

but also increases error rates

[peak cloak]

sure why not

depends what the other's offer

[gloomy saffron]

ok xD

BETTER

[peak cloak]

I switched from optimum to fios

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak yeah but odd thing is

[gloomy saffron]

they offer better

i max out at 45mbps with my IS{

ISP

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak line checks out fine.

Like, there's no errors reported at all.

@gloomy saffron that is your max speed yes

[gloomy saffron]

how do i know if it is fiber or dsl

[peak cloak]

it looked like the most worst latency on the mtr was on another hop

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/ToFFzgW.png

[peak cloak]

fiber can do much high speed for one

[gloomy saffron]

yeah

[peak cloak]

and is usually symetrical

[gloomy saffron]

like 200?

[peak cloak]

like gigabit

[tame carbon]

200Gbit/s per wavelength yes.

[gloomy saffron]

its 200mbps fiber u think

or 400

[tame carbon]

fiber has no real speed limit

[peak cloak]

it does though

[tame carbon]

yeah but 1 fiber can carry terrabits/s

[peak cloak]

because of refraction and stuff

[peak cloak]

well yeah

[gloomy saffron]

would this make a differenc

e

[peak cloak]

what ISP

[tame carbon]

@gloomy saffron yeah but that is a lie.

@gloomy saffron DSL never reaches advertised speeds.

[gloomy saffron]

how do u know its dsl

[tame carbon]

I was on ADSL2+ which is max 24mbit at less than 100meter copper.

my house was 4.5 km from the exchange

and I got only 4mbit download

Your connection is using VDSL

[peak cloak]

the pic you posted isn't dsl

for sure

[tame carbon]

which is a newer version of DSL, which only works at shorter distances

and it is more prone to errors because it uses a broader range of frequencies

[gloomy saffron]

@peak cloak so should i go with that speed i showed u

[peak cloak]

why not

it's probobly cable not fiber

still better than dsl

[gloomy saffron]

well i mean i need to know its my parents desicion

if it will make a difference

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak sometimes if you have poor connection, the DSLAM will disconnect the line and lower the max data rate.

[peak cloak]

I'm a kid too, I convinced my parents

[tame carbon]

I think that this is whats happening here.,

https://i.imgur.com/Vvz5EEX.png

See how a single line can do 57mbit/s theoretically

[peak cloak]

mainly it was the cost

[tame carbon]

but the actual datarate is only half that.

@gloomy saffron reboot your modem.

[gloomy saffron]

i mean it is mostly cuz our email is with att if me switch we need to switch oujt emails with everything

@tame carbon my parents said no because there are other peple on the internet

[peak cloak]

why I don't use ISP emails

[tame carbon]

rip.

[gloomy saffron]

its so annoying

[tame carbon]

@gloomy saffron if the signal was having issues, or errors in the past, then the DSLAM (the other side of your modem) might negotiate a lower speed with your modem

this reduces max speed but makes the line more stable

[gloomy saffron]

i feel like its not stable though

[tame carbon]

this is all automatic.

and some poorly maintained copper

[gloomy saffron]

i go from 20 ping to like 500 with 10 seconds for like 2 weeks

[tame carbon]

can be influenced by the elements

like if its pole mounted cables

then hot weather makes the cables sag

temperature changes the characteristics of the copper, and this changes how the signals go through this

[gloomy saffron]

then why does my friend not experience this

[tame carbon]

because each house has its own wire

[gloomy saffron]

he lives like 2 blocks from me and never esperiences issues

oh ok

[tame carbon]

yeah could be a bad splice in the ground

or some electronic interference from city power grid

this is why copper networks are old

[peak cloak]

same ISP?

[gloomy saffron]

no thats the thing

he has xfinity

he has att

[peak cloak]

wut?

[gloomy saffron]

like me and he had same issue but WORSE

had att

my bad

[peak cloak]

oh yeah xfinity uses coax for the most part

DOCISS

[tame carbon]

@gloomy saffron how much bandwidth did oyu have before you upgraded the speed?

[gloomy saffron]

whats coax and DOCISS

25mbps

download

[peak cloak]

coax is a type of cable, DOCISS is a protocol used to deliver internet over that cable

[gloomy saffron]

so xfinity is better

[peak cloak]

other standards that go over coax are CATV, and MOCA

[tame carbon]

coax can handle much higher speeds

[peak cloak]

MOCA is used for networking locally within the same house

[tame carbon]

but coax also has its problems

like

good internet on copper is like winning the lottery

and the fact that most networks these days are pretty old

its slowly showing its cracks

[gloomy saffron]

so what do i do

[tame carbon]

you cant do much xD

restart the modem might increase speed

[gloomy saffron]

what if i switch to fiber

[tame carbon]

you saw the screenshot earlier?

fiber optics: https://i.imgur.com/8wKehMJ.png

stable 8ms ping.

[gloomy saffron]

ok

so switch to fiber

[tame carbon]

fiber optics are the best yeah

they dont have interference issues

[gloomy saffron]

so how do i tell if it is fiber again

[peak cloak]

I mean GPON exists

[tame carbon]

allow for much higher bandwidth

[peak cloak]

ask ISP

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak sssshhh

[gloomy saffron]

what

[peak cloak]

most fiber deployments are GPON lol

[tame carbon]

@gloomy saffron you have bright colored wires and usually a warning label somewhere xD

[peak cloak]

some sort of PON

[peak cloak]

thin wires lol

coax vs fiber lol

so thin

[tame carbon]

I use 2mm sleeving around my fibers

but the actual core is 9 micrometers

thinner than a human hair

distance: 10km https://i.imgur.com/PSQixu9.png

[peak cloak]

Lol

[tame carbon]

thats coaxial yeah

[gloomy saffron]

ok well thx for the help and everytinh i will def consider switching to fiber have a great day!

[tame carbon]

@gloomy saffron https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/776722183119699988/777646103775674368/IMG-20200922-WA0001.jpg

fiber optics ^

usually yellow or orange

for long distance

https://i.imgur.com/bec9Jdx.png

wow.

like 10% of web requests is crap that gets blocked lol

[jolly sable]

so i've got a computer downstairs and i've had powerline for it for a while but powerline has a quite inconsistent and rough connection. about 5% the rate my upstairs computers are getting with the ethernet. So my main question here is how can i like get hardwired connections downstairs without some people going in my walls and getting wires in there LOL

[hollow marlin]

Just yellow. aqua/orange/violet is MM

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin some older singlemode fibers were using orange sleeves too

different dimensions

I've seen this before

[hollow marlin]

It could have been in the past, I have not seen it or it predates me

[tame carbon]

@jolly sable I think you answered your own question

[jolly sable]

what

Im talking about how can i get it without people wiring stuff through my walls

and 30ft long cable

lmao

damn that was underestimated. like 200ft?

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin actually yeah I think you are right. I think it was 62.5um

which is multimode

@jolly sable you could use cable ducts

[jolly sable]

Whats that?

[tame carbon]

one of those white ones

[jolly sable]

another question. i've got a empty like wall port thingy with no cables coming through it. Is it possible to get like a ethernet thing there and just use that as the connection?

Oh

But then cable ducts would be just sitting on my floors...

[tame carbon]

some of them use glue, but I recommend screwing them to the wall

[jolly sable]

tripping hazard

[tame carbon]

@jolly sable nah you do these along the wall

usually in corners either at ceiling or near the ground

you can get an angle saw for couple bucks

cut them into 45 degree corners

the plastic top you can just snap on

[jolly sable]

the room downstairs isn't on the same wall as the one my router is

[peak cloak]

yeah of course

that's what I do

[jolly sable]

How could i do that then?

[tender hazel]

if you have an existing phone jack in the area you might be able to unscrew the phone jack and run cat5 up the tube inside the wall

[jolly sable]

what would i be looking for?

[peak cloak]

let me grab a pic

[tame carbon]

@jolly sable do you have a stairwell?

[jolly sable]

yes

[tame carbon]

that's where you could begin

[jolly sable]

wait wym stairwell sorry do you mean stairs or something else XD

[tame carbon]

yes

well you need a place along the edges of the wall

to hide one of those cable ducts

its not as nice as in the walls

but at least its out of the way/sight

[tender hazel]

I would see if there is a way to run it in the walls, you would have to run it through an existing duct either for coax or for phone line

[jolly sable]

I feel like i'll just get the ethernet port thing set up on that empty wall outlet thingy

seems cheaper and a lot less complicated for my smol brain

[jolly sable]

brb

[peak cloak]

This wires to this

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak yeah except the contractors here put them on the wrong side of the room

[peak cloak]

Which goes to the basement

[tame carbon]

so there's a long cable from the wall behind my bed to my desk

and then a switch on the end

[peak cloak]

I did it myself

[tame carbon]

I only did the outdoor installation and fiber optics

[jolly sable]

Looks like this

[peak cloak]

It was easy because it's all accessible because of the ac

[jolly sable]

Been like that since we moved here

[peak cloak]

Yeah you would need to fish wires and stuff

[tame carbon]

@jolly sable yeah there's usually a plastic tube to it

but feeding a wire through that isnt as easy

[peak cloak]

Usually? I've never seen a tube

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak really?

here its all yellow PVC

wait

thats not pvc

pvc is gray

[peak cloak]

In american homes its not too hard to fish wires, except going between floors

[tender hazel]

it's not too hard to remove the front cover and see what is there

that looks like an old coax outlet

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak

you can put a bendable metal ring in here

you heat it up with your hands

[peak cloak]

never seen that

[tame carbon]

by rubbing them

and then you can make bends in them

[jolly sable]

so should i go removed it and take pic of that?

[tender hazel]

we don't have pvc running in walls here, they use metal conduit for vertical runs

[tame carbon]

these are embedded into the wall

and then the walls are sealed

[gloomy saffron]

yay my wifi just went out!

[jolly sable]

dope

[tame carbon]

@tender hazel yeah I've seen that

@tender hazel I always wondered why metal xD

[jolly sable]

so, should i remove the plate thing and take a picture of the wires and stuff?

[tame carbon]

@tender hazel this is what oldschool dutch switchboards look like

made out of bakelite

but its got a smartmeter on the front

modern ones are made out of plastic

[peak cloak]

meters are outside here

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak usually every house has one of these rooms

with unpainted wooden panels

[jolly sable]

:P

[tame carbon]

where you clamp down all your equipment

and you have a tube to every room

[rocky badge]

@peak cloak @clear igloo I hate FedEx 😩

[tame carbon]

I really need to take a picture of the switchboard we have here

[rocky badge]

the APs were rescheduled for tomorrow

[tame carbon]

we have 100kV on site :D

[peak cloak]

don't we all

[peak cloak]

idk the voltage of the street lines here, but it's high

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak we have a tiny transformer house on our property

[rocky badge]

@peak cloak

[peak cloak]

that's on the street

on a pole

[tame carbon]

it outputs 6x 80A phases 240V

[peak cloak]

or pad mounted if it's underground

[rocky badge]

Would've been nice if we got them today...I'm busy tomorrow morning but I should be able to set them up tomorrow....

if not there's always Sunday lol

[hollow marlin]

Safety. The conduit should always be grounded so if there is a break no one will get hurt accessing it and if there is a short, sparks can light the PVC on fire rather than contain it until a breaker blows. This is the electrical side, but its used for both electrical and data runs

I was curious why at first too

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin our system looks like this:

but its behind 3 doors

it has a very fat cable coming from the transformer outside

and then feeds onto 3 giant bus bars

and there's like half a dozen slots for 80A fuses

and on the leftmost door, there's like a bunch of 25A fuses (like total of 50 of them)

like the oldschool ceramic fuses

[peak cloak]

basically this

[tame carbon]

yeah we dont put residential stuff on poles

all that is underground here

[peak cloak]

and then it goes to the house

[tame carbon]

only HV lines are on poles

no wonder that after every hurricane, you guys struggle with power grid issues xD

[peak cloak]

underground has it's issues too

[tame carbon]

yeah for HV it has

but not city supply

[peak cloak]

it does too

water ingress

[tame carbon]

its not significant

[peak cloak]

ease of maintenance

[tame carbon]

dutch powergrid is one of the most reliable in the world

we're like no 2

[peak cloak]

netherlands is a small country, much easier to do it at a small scale

[tame carbon]

haeh?

about 511.48 inhabitants per square kilometer

[peak cloak]

it's not worth putting things underground everywhere

[tame carbon]

avg density

[peak cloak]

area wise

[tame carbon]

well

considering

@peak cloak btw ease of maintenance

the local junction box

is a tiny conrete box

like 2x1.5x1 meter

[peak cloak]

yes

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak LOL

[peak cloak]

ik

[tame carbon]

Trying to google for an example

https://i.imgur.com/oTATv3w.jpg

half of them are burning

we have this exact one on site ^

@peak cloak we also dont use split phase power.

most houses here have 3 phase power

[hollow marlin]

Yeah underground in the US is really only limited to cities. Its around $80-90/m to trench. That adds up quick here

[tame carbon]

having 400V is just a matter of modifying your switchboard

@hollow marlin here its about 60euros/meter

converted

its about teh same

[peak cloak]

I've seen underground in some suburbs

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin the moment you start putting it on poles here, you get people that complain at the government

because its ugly

and ruins the view

people even complain about the new power poles they recently build

I actually really l ike them

they like futuristic

[hollow marlin]

It exist but its still pretty rare in the scope of things. Typically this is seen where municipal are used as when they trench for water/sewer, lines are ran as well

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin these look pretty nice eh? https://i.imgur.com/wbQi9zG.jpeg

[peak cloak]

yeah

[tame carbon]

These are HV transmission lines

the old ones look like this:

[peak cloak]

I was just passing by some roads yesterday and just realized the wires I thought was telecom was actually medium voltage

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak phone wires do 56V

or something like that

its direct current

[tender hazel]

yes, are there wires inside?

[peak cloak]

it's like twisted up and in a net kinda, let me find a pic

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin 🤣
https://i.imgur.com/L7r93zE.png

Critique on design HV transmission lines

writes a local news paper

[jolly sable]

I was waiting for a response hold up ill go do that @tender hazel

[tender hazel]

yeah I think people missed that you said that and I was away

[tame carbon]

yeah

[jolly sable]

This looks wack xd

There is a wire in there tho

Idk what one

[peak cloak]

looks like coax?

[tender hazel]

yeah it looks like it has been partially painted over

[tender hazel]

the good thing is that if there is a cable in there you can possibly use it as a pull cable to pull another cable through

[jolly sable]

Wym?

[tender hazel]

you'll need to use a screwdriver to remove that metal faceplate

there will be one screw on the top that has been painted over

you can see it if you look closely

[peak cloak]

or it may be stapled, that's the thing

[jolly sable]

Just one screw?

[tender hazel]

there's a matching one on the bottom

[jolly sable]

Ah

[tender hazel]

but you'll have to find it under all that paint or plaster or whatever hte heck it is

[jolly sable]

Its like a square shape

The screw

[tender hazel]

yeah that's a robertson screwdriver

the square shape.. you'll need a aorbertson screwdriver to remove that

[tame carbon]

@jolly sable can you pull the wire out?

if theres exposed leads, dont touch them until we know what it is

[tender hazel]

that's not a power cable of any kind I don't think

[tame carbon]

not the first time I pulled a live wire out of a wall

and shocked myself

[jolly sable]

I got the 2 screws off

K

Wont touch cable but how do I get the plate thing off lol

The cable has an end btw just saw that

[tender hazel]

the plate thing should just come off now but it is probably stuck due to the plaster or paint or whatever that is on it

the top part of the plate should just pull off now but you may have to work it a bit back and forth to get it unstuck

the bottom you'll want to be more careful with so that you don't remove too much plaster from the wall

[jolly sable]

Uhhh got it off is this bad lmao

[tender hazel]

there you go

[tame carbon]

the plate should cover that all just fine

[tame carbon]

thats coaxial

[jolly sable]

Is this an f moment

[tame carbon]

you could use this for data

but only if you know where it is going

[tender hazel]

can you see how the cable runs - does it go into a pipe?

or is it just run loosely up the wall?

looks like there is a bit of extra cable that you can probably pull out

[tame carbon]

HD

[jolly sable]

Lol

Just goes up wall appearingly

[tender hazel]

that looks like it is just going up the wall and not through a conduit yeah

the question is - is it just loose in the wall or is it stapled

[jolly sable]

I couldnt tell you XD

[tender hazel]

if it is loose or the staples are very large, you could potentially use this as a pull cable

[jolly sable]

I'm confused what you mean by a pull cable

[tame carbon]

@tender hazel oh, nice.

yeah that might actually be a great idea

[jolly sable]

?

[tame carbon]

@jolly sable if the cable goes through a plastic tube or duct, then you cna attach another type of cable on it

[peak cloak]

use this cable to pull another cable though the wall

[tame carbon]

and pull on the other side

to pull an ethernet cable through