networking

[peak cloak]

well other pc

we need to verify that the firewall is not the issue

[loud escarp]

alright

I got nothing to test it from another pc my brother wont let me use his

is there a way to test it from my own pc

[thick minnow]

hi, it turns out I have a very bad Network adapter: Realtek RTL8822CE 802.11ac PCIe Adapter.

Are there any recommendations with what i should replace it?

and should i wait till my Warranty is over? Or would Hp replace it for me?

[tender hazel]

how do you know it is bad?

[half holly]

realtek cards are flakey at best from my experience, an Intel card to replace isn't too expensive and will probably be more stable than the realtek. something like ax200 will do nicely

Replacing garbage with garbage doesn't make it good

and replacing a wifi card shouldn't void warranty

[thick minnow]

would it matter if i have an AMD laptop or not?

cuz thats what i have

[thick minnow]

I thought let alone opening the lid would void the warranty

[tender hazel]

you can try upgrading the driver first for the nic

[thick minnow]

its up to date

[tender hazel]

the other thing you should do as a troubleshooting step is do a continuous ping to your router to monitor the latency

any issues should show up in the ping

as either loss or latency increases

that will allow you to verify whether the problem is between your wireless card and your router, or between the router and the internet

[thick minnow]

but on other devices in my house the internet works fine

[tender hazel]

that's all well and good, and there is a fairly good chance it is the NIC, but if it was me, I would want to verify that before spending the money on a new one

especially since it is relatively easy to do

[thick minnow]

yeah ok, which program should i use

[tender hazel]

how far is the laptop from the router

you can go to the windows command prompt and ping the router with ping 192.168.1.1 -t

or whatever the ip of the router is

[thick minnow]

about 5-7 meters

[tender hazel]

it will ping it over and over again until you hit ctrl-c to stop

you will see big latency fluctuations or loss if something is wrong like interference or a fault in the card

if you do see latency fluctuations, try bringing the laptop closer to router and see if they go away

[thick minnow]

should i do 3 mins?

[tender hazel]

yeah.. if the issue happens as often as you say you should see something within that time frame

[thick minnow]

alright ima try that

[tender hazel]

and again if you see latency or loss, try moving the laptop closer to see if it goes away when it gets closer to the router.. if it does, the problem is most likely caused by interference and not a faulty card

the card is dual band so it will be able to choose 5ghz or 2.4ghz and the interference may only be on one or the other

[thick minnow]

average: 31ms Max: 254ms min: 1ms

[hollow marlin]

@clear igloo Looks like CCIE-SP is on hold. Mini JNCIE-SP bootcamp tomorrow and then work is paying for the self study bundle. We'll see how this goes as through the JNCIP-SP, all study material is Cisco because Juniper love its paywalls

[clear igloo]

lol, nice

[hollow marlin]

Its all also remote for the lab which sketches me out

[clear igloo]

Yah, that's generally how the CCIE is now too, the only exception is part of the collab I think, or do you mean the training lab?

[tender hazel]

yeah you have some bad latency spikes in there, see what happens when you go closer to the router

[hollow marlin]

I mean the actually test lab. I didn't think Cisco was doing remote lab for the IE is it?

[clear igloo]

Yah, even when it was out of SJC and RTP you didn't get hands on 😦 and the REALLY crap part is they nixed RTP and SJC for in person too so I'd have to fly to Richardson to take it, or at least that's what it was a couple years ago, not sure how the global issues have changed that

[tender hazel]

@thick minnow if the latency becomes stable when you go closer to the router the problem is most likely caused by interference

[hollow marlin]

Honestly for any IE lab I prefer to travel, less chance of something happening remote during testing for them to call out cheating or just general outages. I know it was up until a few months ago the new IE was only taken by one person in house as testing centers were all shutdown.

[clear igloo]

Yah, remote as in home remote is really sketch

I thought you were at first just saying like in a proctored/locked down room kind of remote

[thick minnow]

Average: 14ms Max:162 min:2ms

i guess it is somewhat better

[clear igloo]

How many other devices on the wireless network?

[thick minnow]

but there still spikes above 150ms

[tender hazel]

you're still getting some spikes when it is close but they are smaller

is it connected via 2.4ghz or via 5ghz right now

[thick minnow]

a tv, and 3 more laptops at max usage

right now only a tv though

[clear igloo]

is the TV streaming or just sitting idle?

[thick minnow]

streaming

[half holly]

if there are no warranty stickers, it's allowed, you only void your warranty if you break something because you opened it up

[thick minnow]

lol wrong reply

[clear igloo]

Ah, if its pulling data that explains it a bit

[half holly]

and breaking something while replacing a wifi card is rather difficult actually

[thick minnow]

i tried changing one before on another laptop, it aint hard

[thick minnow]

how do i check that?

[tender hazel]

first, does your router have a single SSID for both 2.4ghz and 5ghz or is it a single SSID?

[clear igloo]

since wireless is shared medium the router/AP has to go between clients and there could be interference from other devices off your network if you're in a apartment or townhome. Streaming is generally more download and buffer than constant stream data so it would explain the intermittent spikes if it's buffering more data

[tender hazel]

if it has a separate SSID for 5ghz you will see another SSID like your main one but with something like -5G or -5GHz somewhere in the name

[tame carbon]

usually has two different MAC addresses written on the back

if it has two wireless bands

[thick minnow]

i woudnt expect it to be that much better without the tv, cuz it happens also when im home alone

[clear igloo]

Are you in a area with a lot of other wireless networks? like an apartment building?

[tender hazel]

if you are connectng via 2.4ghz, that sort of latency deviation is actually quite normal due to how much 2.4ghz interference there is

it would be unusual for 5ghz

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo Getting those two APs

[clear igloo]

Yah, I could see some of it on a 5ghz network where the ap isn't changing bands and defaults to one and stays

[thick minnow]

nope at a house

[clear igloo]

Click on the wifi icon on the bottom right, click properties for the network name and then find Network band

[tender hazel]

@thick minnow as I asked before, does your router have separate SSID's (network names) for 2.4ghz and 5ghz or are they the same

[thick minnow]

where do i check that

on the router?

[clear igloo]

me or finrod?

[tender hazel]

well when you are choosing a wifi network to connect to, do you see it once in the list or twice?

[thick minnow]

twice because i have a vpn

[tender hazel]

if you see it twice, once with like a -5G or -5GHz in the name and one without, then you have separate SSID's for 2.4ghz and 5ghz

[thick minnow]

i meant finrod

[half holly]

is there like "TELUS-4200-2.4G" and "TELUS-4200-5G" or something similar with your wifi provider name?

[thick minnow]

no

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo We're getting the uap-ac-m-pro and uap-ac-lite

[thick minnow]

its a 2.4 GHZ only

[half holly]

on your phone?

[rocky badge]

~$280 from B&H

[clear igloo]

very nice 😄

[rocky badge]

With free 2 day shipping

[thick minnow]

neither

[rocky badge]

Now I'm gonna have to jerry rig an AP onto a tripod

[half holly]

mk, now can you check on your phone are you connected 5g or 2.4

[rocky badge]

Nothing gaff tape & zip ties can't solve

[clear igloo]

Ah, that explains it @thick minnow

[tender hazel]

that fritzbox model is 2.4ghz only

you're not going to get great latency and loss results without dual band ac wireless

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo I'm trying to get my grandmother's church to upgrade their network before/when they upgrade their live streaming and such equipment.

[thick minnow]

to 2.4GHZ

[clear igloo]

Very cool, get them some super powerful stuff 😛

[half holly]

read above finrod's message

[rocky badge]

They have a Netgear router with 10/100 ports...

[tame carbon]

[rocky badge]

And idk what model Seano networks APs

[half holly]

dw it's still fast ethernet

[rocky badge]

https://blob.rocks/PJ8LvTgqdf.png

This is what I'm planning on to upgrade them to...

Its a hell of an upgrade for them 🤣

[tame carbon]

that switch is a bit overkill no?

[clear igloo]

Ummm, excuse you, I see no WiFi6E APs in there 😛

[rocky badge]

Switch is not really overkill

[clear igloo]

and no RGB either?!?! tsk tsk tsk

[thick minnow]

what does that mean for my card upgrade?

[clear igloo]

Not worth it

[rocky badge]

10.5W * 2 for nanoHD
6.5 * 6 for LR

21+39=51W

USW-24-PoE only has 95W of PoE, which is getting too close imo for future upgradability

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow if your AP dont support ac wireless, then it doesnt matter what card you have

[tender hazel]

it means it probably wouldn't help much.. my guess is that you have a 2.4ghz interference source, possibly close to where you are using your laptop normally.. and if you are normally using that device for zoom, zoom is more demanding on the network and you will generally see more issues from latency and loss than you would from, say, streaming netflix

[rocky badge]

Plus, it would also give us 802.3bt 😛

[tender hazel]

you'd be a lot better off with ac wireless and see how it works when you connect up via 5ghz

the loss and latency you are seeing is normal for 2.4ghz and that's why most people get dual band these days

[rocky badge]

so if I wanted to add some beefy PoE devices I could lol

[thick minnow]

so basically i would have to replace my router to an ac wireless support router

[rocky badge]

Plus who doesn't want 10 gig 😄 @clear igloo

[tender hazel]

yes, that would be the best approach, since there is a good chance replacing the wireless card in the laptop would not make any difference and you would be out that money

better to spend the money on a dual band router

[rocky badge]

Also, Lurick, I could spec WiFi 6 APs but the U6 Lite is sold out lol

[thick minnow]

i have feared this, because we just renewed our internet subscription for 2 years last june

[tender hazel]

the ISP I am with rents the router and it can be upgraded mid contract by paying like a $20 fee or something

so you might ask them to see what is possible

[thick minnow]

i dont think German providers like 1&1 (a very poor provider in compare to Telekom and vodaphone) would have that option

but i will inform myself more about that

[tender hazel]

call them and ask, it doesn't hurt to ask them

[thick minnow]

i will do that

[tame carbon]

fiber optics are superior

[tender hazel]

and if they can't do it, you always have the option of buying a dual band ac access point, connecting it to your router, and turning off the wifi in the router

[thick minnow]

wait you can do that?

[tame carbon]

yeah with most equipment you can configure it in such a way that you can use your own equipment

[tender hazel]

yes you can

[tame carbon]

for example with mikrotik, you could buy a small router without wireless

and then a seperate AP

and if you need more coverage

you can just buy another antenna and hook it up to your network with a cable

[peak cloak]

I hate ISPs like optimum here that force you to use their fiber gateway

and passthough mode doesn't work

[tame carbon]

my isp doesnt have any router luckily

all you need is an SFP interface

[thick minnow]

im liking what im seeing, im seeing what im liking😅

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow what kind of net speed do you have?

[thick minnow]

50 mbits

[tame carbon]

do you want to go future proof of or cheap? xD

[rocky badge]

I'd actually be ok with AT&T now

[tender hazel]

almost all of the home router vendors also sell wireless access points (which are not routers).. you can use a router as a wireless access point too but it would take some extra config since you would have to disable the dhcp server etc.

[rocky badge]

Their new router uses a GPON SFP

So you can that sucker out and run WPA supplicant on your router and have SFP directly into the router

[tame carbon]

@rocky badge those dont work on mikrotik stupidly enough

[rocky badge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tender hazel]

so it is easier to buy something that is designed to be an access point

[thick minnow]

it would be hard to convince my parents for future proof

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow if you ever get fiber optics, its useful to have a router that is capable of such speeds

[peak cloak]

but even with sfp that still requires the router to decode the GPON right?

[thick minnow]

yes true

[rocky badge]

GPON SFP module

[peak cloak]

yeah ik

[tender hazel]

@peak cloak no.. a GPON SFP module does GPON entirely by itself

[peak cloak]

really?

[rocky badge]

https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r32839785-AT-T-Fiber-Gateway-bypass-with-WPA-supplicant-stopped-working-2-days-ago

[peak cloak]

I heard it doesn't

[tender hazel]

the router just sees it as an SFP interface so you can use any router

[peak cloak]

nice

[rocky badge]

Some people say they're having issues but my friend is doing it just fine

[thick minnow]

i do need to check if i could change the subs from the provider for just a fee

[tender hazel]

the only thing that might be a concern is that some of the GPON SFP modules can run quite hot

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow https://mikrotik.com/product/hex_s either this one without wireless

[tender hazel]

if your device has passive cooling instead of fans, and the module runs hot, the module could overheat and fail or be unreliable due to overheating

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2 this one is also quite decent for cheap price

[tender hazel]

GPON SFP modules consume more power and run hotter because they are so complicated, they are basically taking an entire GPON ONT and shoving it into a few centimetres space

[tame carbon]

the ac3 is a more expensive model, but it has better coverage

but its difficult to get your hands on them right now

[thick minnow]

maybe a dumb question but i live in Germany, would these things still work?

[rocky badge]

yup

[tame carbon]

yeah

[rocky badge]

its crazy lol

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow this thing is basically just a router, with 5 ports that you can configure however you like. The markings on the box are just the default

@thick minnow it can also provide power over one of its ports, to an AP

[tender hazel]

the hex s doesn't have wireless

it is just a wired router

[tame carbon]

it is

if your router is in a place where you don't want your AP, then you can use that

[thick minnow]

so what is my speed gonna be limited by?

[rocky badge]

if my ISP used UFiber in my area, I'm in an Adtran area, I would so totally ask to use https://store.ui.com/collections/operator-isp-infrastructure/products/uf-instant @tender hazel

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow routing wise, these things push about 2gbit/s.
They have gigabit ethernet, so max throughput per port is 1G

[rocky badge]

I guess Adtran has a GPON SFP but idk if they would provide one for me lol

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow wireless, depends on the frequency configurations you use on your AP

and also how good the signal is

[thick minnow]

so lets say i would have dual ac connection

[tender hazel]

yes adtran does have a GPON SFP module of some kind, it isn't listed on their main website for some reason, only the support site.. we were looking at buying them and putting them into hex s units as a do-it-yourself GPON ONT

[rocky badge]

Or just upgrade to business and get them to gimme that AE

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow the idea of dual band is that you just have two radios on the AP, one for 2.4GHz and the other 5GHz

[rocky badge]

but idk how much their biz costs

for gig/gig

[tame carbon]

when you are close to the AP the device uses 5GHz if it can

[hollow marlin]

Not entirely, ONTs still have an internal SFP that handle the signal. Like with Calix/Adtran, you can open the ONTs and replace the SFPs. ONTs/routers do not handle the signaling

[tame carbon]

when you have poor reception, it switches to 2.4GHz

[tender hazel]

but close doesn't necessarily mean right next to it

[rocky badge]

👀

[tame carbon]

a wall

once there's a wall inbetween, 5GHz looses is speed quickly

[thick minnow]

ok, i understand

[tame carbon]

5GHz has lower latency

and is more stable

[tender hazel]

oh interesting, I've never cracked one open so I didn't know

[tame carbon]

but yeah, if you have multiple rooms you want 5GHz, you need multiple APs

[rocky badge]

I wish I could crack my ONT open lol

[tame carbon]

@rocky badge have you inspected the board for any UART ports?

sometimes they remove the pins

and you can solder your own on there

[thick minnow]

what are good bang for buck APs out there?

[rocky badge]

I'm too lazy to find a head that can open the telco access screw

To remove the plastic shroud covering the main board

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow well, if you want to stay with a single vendor for ease of use

you can either pick mikrotik, which is a bit more involved

or go with unifi, which I know little to nothing a bout

you nag @rocky badge for that

mikrotik doesnt offer wifi 6 yet

[rocky badge]

I also want to see if I could power the stupid ONT with PoE

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow the hAP ac2 I linked https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2

@thick minnow this one has dual band wireless

its a router/AP combo

[thick minnow]

is one AP for a 100m^2 floor enough from mikrotik?

[tame carbon]

only if the AP was in the exact middle

if its in one area of the house

you might want to run a cable

and hook up one of these: https://mikrotik.com/product/cap_ac

perhaps mount it on the wall or ceiling, that gives excellent coverage

[rocky badge]

13.5V 36W....

Fucking stupid reee

[humble cloak]

Someone who knows if this https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/1110903/avm-fritz-powerline-1260e-wlan-set-international-20002819.html works together with this https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/1256647/devolo-magic-1-lan-single-eu-stekker.html ?

[rocky badge]

its stepping up from 13.5V to at least 75V for POTS ringing lol

I just want to get rid of the stupidly huge wall wart

[hollow marlin]

POTs ring is upwards of 90v over copper. Trust me that you feel DC much more than AC 💩

[rocky badge]

Yeah....

its so fucking big like why

All its doing is 120v -> 13.5v at like 2.6A

[peak cloak]

my ont has this big external thing

I think it's battery backup

but when I unplugged it, it still turned off immediately

[rocky badge]

lol

[tender hazel]

the mikrotik cap ac doesn't have the antenna gain like the higher end unifi ap's do, but their receive sensitivity is good

[rocky badge]

👀 https://blob.rocks/CORmsTbQRU.png

I wonder if that's my ONT or the OLT or what lol

[tender hazel]

there are lots of choices, you can do some research online.. mikrotik is more for hobbyists who like to tinker with things because it gives you access to a lot more settings than most routers make available, but it can be used as a home option too. If you prefer something simpler there are many many options. Ubiquiti UniFi is great but is on the more expensive side

[rocky badge]

I like to just set and forget for WiFi 😂

WiFi is a pita

[tender hazel]

the ubiquiti interface is very idiot proof

[rocky badge]

And adding more APs to it is a breeze....

The controller auto discovers the devices and I just click "adopt"...all of the side wide settings are copied to the device

So glad all of my neighbors have routers that can't use DFS

So much free 5GHz

[tender hazel]

in my apartment here I have this sonos speaker behind my TV.. at first I tried connecting it via wifi but it is 2.4ghz only so the connection wasn't very good.. I had to take a spare mikrotik router I had laying around and plug it into the sonos speaker and wireless bridge it back to my main router via 5ghz

[hollow marlin]

https://www.amazon.com/Jonard-SK-51632-Security-Key-Insert/dp/B006962IN6/ref=sr_1_44?dchild=1&keywords=can%2Bwrench%2Bhex%2Bbit&qid=1616447198&sr=8-44&th=1

[tender hazel]

I was really surprised that the sonos speaker didn't have 5ghz in this day and age

[rocky badge]

Yeah I could get one but I'm just lazy lmao

Sonos over WiFi ew

Sonos doesn't even have proper stp

[tender hazel]

hmm?

[rocky badge]

Sonos's STP is so borked lol

it doesn't play nicely with rapid STP

[hollow marlin]

RSTP by design is backward compatible

[tender hazel]

I might get two smaller speakers for surround later on but I'll be able to wire those in without the wire being in an obnoxious location

[rocky badge]

it still doesn't play nicely with it

[hollow marlin]

But also, why is Sonos using STP?

[tender hazel]

Sonos builds a network of its own between the various sonos devices I believe, over 2.4ghz

so they can communicate even if they aren't on the same wifi network or whatever

[rocky badge]

That's another issue some have with Sonos

Cross VLAN discovery

[hollow marlin]

Gotcha

[rocky badge]

https://en.community.sonos.com/advanced-setups-229000/sonos-on-segregated-vlan-iot-and-app-on-another-again-6820358

https://community.ui.com/questions/Configure-Sonos-across-subnets-on-USG/a758382b-72e4-446b-90cc-ea353482ff1a#answer/bf4e7175-846a-48ae-bce5-ffaa3ba8bc8f

Some people just end up putting sonos on their main network instead lmao

[hollow marlin]

Im guessing related to most IOT using mDNS or SSDP. TTL=1 means no worky

[clear igloo]

yup

[loud escarp]

guys my port forwarding is not working and I feel like I've tried everything, does someone wanna hop on a call with me and maybe try to figure it out?

[peak cloak]

did you try locally?

[tender hazel]

what happens when you type your router's public IP address and that port from inside your network?

as long as your router supports hairpin NAT for the port forwards (most do), you should be able to check it locally

[peak cloak]

I guess, that would work too

never thought of it like that

[tender hazel]

it works as long as the router supports hairpin NAT.. I think with most home routers they do that by default.. for mikrotik or things like that you have to make an extra rule

@loud escarp what are the first two octets of your public IP? i.e. the first half

[peak cloak]

make sure to check on the router itself to ^

not just in google, that won't work

[tender hazel]

yes, check on the router itself, for what it is getting as a WAN IP

in case your ISP has started doing CG-NAT or something

CG-NAT is an especially attractive option to ISPs where most of their users have IPv6 as well

and it looks like you have IPv6

when most of our users have IPv6 we are going to consider moving to CG-NAT ourselves

[peak cloak]

once I get a new router I need to experiment with minecraft java ipv6

some people say it works

other's say it doesn't

but it's not officially supported

[peak cloak]

less costs right?

[tender hazel]

yes, would save us $25k a month

[peak cloak]

if I had proper v6 I wouldn't mind cgnat

best would be of course both

just so other people who don't have v6 can access

[tender hazel]

currently we pay a lot of money to rent IPv4 space from our partner in ontario, but they have stuff set up weird

[peak cloak]

just everyone move to v6 already

[tender hazel]

we have our own block of ipv4 from ARIN but it is only a /24 so not nearly enough for our customers unless we CG-NAT

our partner in ontario is still advertising the larger supernet and we advertise a more specific route, but we don't have a direct peering with them

instead they funnel our traffic through hurricane electric through Torix (the toronto internet exchange) so that it ends up getting to us, by accepting our more specific route that way

the issue is that if torix does maintenance, a bunch of services at torix can no longer reach us because we are cut off from our partner who is still advertising the supernets

so random traffic like akamai over Ipv4 will stop working until torix comes back up

it's really stupid

we asked them to cut holes in their advertisements so that they were no longer advertising the supernet, but they claimed (and I don't believe this personally) that some of their peers at torix would not accept advertisements smaller than a /19

it's like really? in this day and age can anybody get away with not being able to accept advertisements smaller than a /19? it is pretty much /24 everywhere I know of as the smallest possible size

so I mean I don't know for sure, but I don't buy it

also, they won't swip the blocks to us. We asked them to, but they said they would maybe in 3 or 4 years once they have their automated IP address management with automated SWIP functionality set up

[peak cloak]

I know nothing about all this, all this public internet routing is foreign to me

[tender hazel]

and the problem is that they are horribly unresponsive.. since they don't SWIP the blocks to us, they handle our reverse DNS.. we had a small customer set up a local on premesis exchange server and wanted us to change their PTR, which is a standard request for a customer doing such a thing to make of the ISP

the problem is that we can't change the PTR record, we have to ask our partner to do it

we followed up with our partner for like 10 months before they finally did it

our customer was furious at us but we couldn't do anything

if they just SWIP'ed the blocks to us and cut holes in their BGP advertisements for our /21's, everything would be just fine, and we would be operating like a normal provider

probably only a few people like @hollow marlin could understand how messed up our setup is

[hollow marlin]

[hollow marlin]

I suspect they are using underpowered equipment that cannot handle full tables or running too many VPN NLRIs in combination with not enough memory

This was common a decade ago where only the creme of the crop could handle full tables

[tender hazel]

you mean our partner's peers?

[hollow marlin]

Yeah, which ever one was stating they couldn't accept less than a /19

[tender hazel]

they didn't really say which one wouldn't accept less than a /19

I'm not sure they even knew for sure

I think that was based on some peering policy thing from many years ago and they just never bothered to check to see if it had changed

@hollow marlin I think the bigger problem with our partner is that their Cisco BGP edge routers don't run IOS.. they run something else that is more service provider focused, but all of their other routers just run regular IOS so they aren't really comfortable managing them

I think they are afraid to make changes as a result

[hollow marlin]

Most the internet backbone is Juniper as are we. If you do a trace route what host names do you get back? Sometimes they have the psudo standard naming convention which has the interface in the response

[tender hazel]

no, they are ciscos

they run IOS-XR

just checked

[hollow marlin]

Oh I read that wrong, yeah it's XR

But Juniper is still most the backbone and edge

[tender hazel]

anyway those are their only two routers running XR so they are kindof afraid of them as a result

[hollow marlin]

XR is more similar to Junos than it is to IOS XE/NXOS

[loud escarp]

idk my brother is a dingus and wont let me do anything on his pc can I try doing the same thing from my own pc

[tender hazel]

yeah they shared a snippet of the config with us

[peak cloak]

so to try what finrod said we need to get the WAN IP of the router

on the main router page look for something like WAN IP

or Public IP

maybe even PPPoE IP?

[tender hazel]

it looked quite different from IOS, IOS I am familiar with

[hollow marlin]

How much did they share? I love critiquing others config

[tender hazel]

I'm not cisco certified but our network used to be entirely cisco routers running IOS, and I would ask our cisco guys "why is this config line in these routers but not in these? why does this one router have this extra config line? what does it do?" and they would be like "umm. I don't know why it is on the one and not the others, or what it does" so I started going through the docs and finding out what each command did and why it was there

[tender hazel]

they just shared their BGP peering config

[hollow marlin]

"Why is this there and what does it do?"
"I don't know, it was in the whitepage"

• ex-employee

[tender hazel]

yeah like I thought it was really stupid to have all of our routers being almost the same but a few config lines different for no known reason and people were afraid to change it.. so I made an annotated config that explained what each line did with a comment

I learned IOS that way

[hollow marlin]

If you know IOS, XR you can figure out but you need to look at it from a global perspective rather than a interface perspective.

[tender hazel]

it's a bit of a strange way to learn it, most people learn it by going through the certification track

but I didn't really feel the need to get cisco certified in general, I just wanted to get our configs more standardized

[waxen scroll]

@hollow marlin nerd

@tender hazel time to audit your devices for compliance

it should be done by computer

[hollow marlin]

I went down the CCNP R/S track which is IOS, then went down the JNCIP-SP track. Now I'm in some ASRs so it was an easy pickup from the combination of both. I'd say most pick it up from the SP track as it's not common place to learn as you go on

[hollow marlin]

💩

[tender hazel]

hmm?

[waxen scroll]

you need some sort of system to scan your devices daily and look for config violations

like, you except "bgp log-neighbor-changes" to be on all routers, so why are 2 missing it

@hollow marlin lets see, whose gonna be up your ass

FDA, PCI

imagine having a college kid show up at your business and go "AUDIT TIME DITCHES!"

no IT experience

he asks to see network configs

[hollow marlin]

Dont forget to have HIPAA in the mix

[waxen scroll]

hes gonna ding you and ask WHY? WHY? WHY? if your configs arent standard

@hollow marlin one of my companies had mandatory how to handle an auditor training

"NEVER talk to them. NEVER confirm anything. Find a manager ASAP."

etc

xD

[loud escarp]

I have no clue how to do this

[tender hazel]

our mikrotik configs are a bit messy because we've made some changes over time, but at least I know what every line does in those, and whether something is supposed to be there or not supposed to be

[peak cloak]

so go into the router, on the main page look for WAN IP

[loud escarp]

mhm

then?

[tender hazel]

what is the first half of it

don't share the entire thing because it would give your address

just the first half, the first two octets

[loud escarp]

wait let me go down stairs real quick to double check

[tender hazel]

downstairs? is it one of those routers that only allows admin page login from the wired network and not from wireless?

[loud escarp]

I am not sure I’ve never tried wireless but I had to log in

I just have a cable form my router to my pc

I thought I had it but I didnt, and I can’t find it either

Omg i thought you guys ment like actual router I’m too sleep deprived mb

[peak cloak]

yes

[peak cloak]

the one connected to the ISP connection

oh wait

you have double-NAT?

[loud escarp]

how could I tell

[peak cloak]

you have 2 routers?

[loud escarp]

we have a optic fibre cable that goes to a router that is connected to my pc

[peak cloak]

ok

go on the router

and look for public IP

or WAN IP

[tender hazel]

whatever device you are trying to create the port forward on

like you are logging into something to create the port forward

you showed a screenshot of that device earlier

[loud escarp]

this?

[tender hazel]

no

earlier you showed a screenshot of some web interface where you created a port forward

[peak cloak]

no

on the router

[loud escarp]

yea

[peak cloak]

that's a private IP

[tender hazel]

what device is that??

[peak cloak]

internal

[tender hazel]

what device had the web interface that you shared the port forward screenshot earlier

[loud escarp]

my pc

[tender hazel]

your PC.. is doing a port forward to itself?

[loud escarp]

wait im confused rn

[peak cloak]

just go onto the router web interface

and look for WAN or public IP

[tender hazel]

earlier you were logged into something

you shared a screenshot showing the port forward configuration

[loud escarp]

yea

[tender hazel]

and that port forwarding configuration you get to how?

[peak cloak]

that's a screenshot of yours?

[tender hazel]

ok you just shared your public IP

[loud escarp]

yea

[peak cloak]

yep

[loud escarp]

lmao

oop

[peak cloak]

well

not CGNAT

so on your pc load up minecraft and try to join using that public IP

[tender hazel]

yeah not CGNAT, that is what we were wondering

[loud escarp]

I can only join using my private

[peak cloak]

I think it's windows firewall

[tender hazel]

yeah it is probably windows firewall

[peak cloak]

I'm on linux rn so idk the exact steps

[loud escarp]

I allowed the port is there anything else I need to whitelist on there

[tender hazel]

try disabling your windows firewall and see if it starts working.. your router will act as a firewall so it shouldn't be a big deal

[loud escarp]

I'll completely turn it off for like a minute and see if it allowes to port forward

[tender hazel]

I have it turned off all the time at home personally because my router handles my firewall stuff, and the windows firewall just gets in the way

[loud escarp]

I live in the netherlands (which you may know by now lmao) and have kpn, does this also handle the firewall?

[peak cloak]

kpn?

as in your ISP?

[loud escarp]

its my provider

[peak cloak]

oh no

router should handle firewall

blocking new connections

[loud escarp]

its their newest one I think so it probably should right

[peak cloak]

so did you disable windows firewall?

[tender hazel]

the device that you are creating the port forwards on is handling the firewall for your network

so you can fairly safely disable windows firewall if it is a fixed PC at your home

[loud escarp]

alright didnt know, let me do it real quick

that was it thanks guys :D

[buoyant sandal]

I have a 500Mbs plan but my router only gives me 60Mbs on 2.4ghz any idea?

[tender hazel]

@buoyant sandal that's normal

you can't get much more than 60Mbps from 2.4GHz even in the best scenarios

if you have a dual band router and you are connected via 5GHz you might get anywhere from 200Mbps-500Mbps download, but you still might not get your full rate

[buoyant sandal]

@tender hazel thanks, but i remember on my old house i could get 90-100 mps.

[tender hazel]

@buoyant sandal it depends on how much interference there is from the area

my personal experience is that unless you are far away from any 2.4GHz interference sources you can only expect between 50-75Mbps maximum from 2.4GHz

if you are in an area of heavy interference you may only get 10-20Mbps

your old house may have had fewer 2.4GHz interference sources nearby and therefore you could get more

If you have 500Mbps internet service you will want dual band ac or ax wireless, otherwise you will never come close to really utilizing it

@buoyant sandal 90-100Mbps is what you can get out of 2.4GHz wireless only in the most ideal conditions

so your old house must have had very little 2.4GHz interference in the area

the issue is that wifi is about 60%-75% signaling overhead and only what is not used for signaling can be used for data transfer

2.4GHz is theoretically "300Mbps" wireless but with 60-75% used for overhead that means less than 100Mbps actual transfer rates

[tender hazel]

obviously a large variation in rate between 10Mbps (with a lot of interference) and 100Mbps (with basically clear channels)

but you largely can't do anything about 2.4GHz interference near you because other people are allowed to use wifi as well and are therefore allowed to interfere with your equipment which reduces your speeds

[late geyser]

how do you reset a motorola ap 650?

fing reports it as connected to 192.168.1.33 but i can't get into the web UI

most i've seen is a 4 pin JP1 connector with a 1 on one side

[tame carbon]

@tender hazel even with 40Mhz channels? I know its gross

but you can be one of those guys

[lapis narwhal]

press the reset button with a needle for 5-10 seconds?

That shouldve been the standard.

[late geyser]

ok then. where's that? since there is no reset switch visibly on it

like i said, all i can see is a header named JP1

[lapis narwhal]

hit me with a picture of the back of it

[lapis narwhal]

the back near the LAN cable?

[tame carbon]

that 4 pin header you have there ^ isnt something you use

[tame carbon]

that's for the manufacturer to flash the firmware onto the device

[late geyser]

wouldn't flashing a new firmware also reset the whole thing?

[tame carbon]

not really

@lapis narwhal that thing comes with a manual

all 954 pages of manual

[late geyser]

indeed

[lapis narwhal]

6 Speed? /s

[late geyser]

https://www.manualslib.com/manual/851268/Motorola-Wing-5-5.html?page=28#manual

but i'm not sure if this manual will apply to it, since i'm not sure which version of wing is on it

all i know is that the orange LED blinks every second

or 2 idk

yeah once every 2 seconds

[tame carbon]

I can't find any instructions for resetting the device

[late geyser]

same here

[still zephyr]

i cant connect to any network including ethernet on my pc, anyone know whats going on?

[late geyser]

is this thing just cooked, like the one i tried yesterday?

hm wait

i think i need a Motorola wireless controller

which i don't have

well then

[thick minnow]

well, for people to help, we're probably gonna need more info than that

[still zephyr]

well i cant connect to any network connection on my pc ive tried reinstalling network drivers, resseting my wifi hub but nothings worked

its only my pc nothing else in my house

[peak cloak]

It could be anything

I bet it's dhcp

[still zephyr]

if it is that how do i fix it

[peak cloak]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Router issue

[still zephyr]

this router lets me connect to it on other devices tho

[late geyser]

try manually making your DNS 1.1.1.1

with secondary as 1.0.0.1

[late geyser]

do you mean network or internet? those 2 have entirely different meanings

[still zephyr]

internet

i changed the dns and it didnt work

[late geyser]

in command prompt, type ipconfig /all

[still zephyr]

done, what am i looking for

[late geyser]

what's the output?

make a screenshot and send it here

[still zephyr]

sorry for bad quality cant screen shot because im using phone

[peak cloak]

Well it's not dhcp

He gets a v6 and v4

[late geyser]

the default gateway is ipv6 only though

[peak cloak]

Well do ipconfig on devices that don't work @still zephyr

[peak cloak]

No

Look it has multiple gateways

[late geyser]

oh wait i'm blind

[still zephyr]

its everything that doesnt work

[peak cloak]

Try, ping 1.1.1.1

If that doesn't work try, ping 192.168.0.1

[peak cloak]

Huh

Driver issue @still zephyr

Or it could be something else

[still zephyr]

should i delete all network drivers then restart pc?

[peak cloak]

But it's a windows issue

[still zephyr]

any idea how to fix it?

when i troubleshoot windows says that it could be to do with firewall but i doubt that

i tried a network reset but thar didn't do anything

[still zephyr]

i may have found the issue

[late geyser]

what do you think it is

[still zephyr]

well i thought it was a certaint program but i was wrong

when i restart my pc it connects for like 10 seconds then disconnects

[still zephyr]

@late geyser
now its telling me the default gateway isnt available

[late geyser]

no clue then

[tame carbon]

@still zephyr is it just this one machine that is having these issues?

@peak cloak its been multiple times now, that users have come in here with strange network behavior on windows

where it just stops working alltogether.

[still zephyr]

yes it is, my pc is the only device in my house that wont connect the other 2 windows devices in my house are working like normal

[tame carbon]

windows being garbage

as always

[still zephyr]

yep

[tame carbon]

unfortunately, there isnt an easy fix to this, or at least not one that I can think of

I don't know a lot about windows' network stack, all I know is that its total crap

and breaks randomly

[peak cloak]

https://windowsreport.com/ping-general-failure-windows-10/

netsh i i r r

netsh winsock reset

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak did they restart their system?

because that would do the same

my problem with these windows "fixing" guides, is that none of them pinpoint the problem

they are just vague "lets see if this helps"-attempts

[still zephyr]

yeah ive found that with a lot of them

[tame carbon]

windows is shit, because it doesnt do error reporting in a sane way

'it just spits out an error code that is useless

@still zephyr did your system install updates recently ?

or something else that you did, because all of this suggests a driver issue

[still zephyr]

yeah last night

[tame carbon]

@still zephyr was that a feature update or something?

@peak cloak another case of windows broke itself ^

[still zephyr]

no i have a pending featyre update it was just a small one i believe

in case this means anything i get around 10 seconds of internet connectiv after a boot and then it diconnects

[tame carbon]

do you have any other network software installed on your system?

perhaps some kind of VPN service that is not properly configured

@still zephyr try to boot the system in safe mode with networking

[still zephyr]

i have a vpn and a network driver made by virtualbox

[tame carbon]

okay, well, those are all drivers

if they are faulty... could explain what we see

boot into safe mode with networking.

[still zephyr]

is safe mode f9 on boot?

[tame carbon]

this will load only the critical drivers

I am sure I don't know.. all I know is that if windows crashes often enough it boots into safe mode on its own

https://i.imgur.com/nadkopc.png

[still zephyr]

thanks

[waxen saddle]

Did we already check that there isn’t a proxy server configured? Also, what does device manager say about the NIC? Is it set to auto configure the wire speed? What is the packet size?

[still zephyr]

ive never used a proxy server

[waxen saddle]

Malware can configure it for you. No need for it to tell you. 🙂

[still zephyr]

true i have recently got rid of some malware

should i enable safemode eith networking?

or just safe mode

[waxen saddle]

With networking

One of the big clues you provided is that it works for the first 10 seconds after the computer is on. Which tells me a configuration or a program/service is started that is interfering with your connection.

[tame carbon]

@waxen saddle some driver being loaded by a runtime application

hopefully safemode will only load the windows IP stack

[still zephyr]

ok im in safe mode

[tame carbon]

@still zephyr do the same ping test again

[waxen saddle]

...or something. Windows doesn't just load a driver, then reload a driver after boot. It only loads 1 driver at boot.

and another question I have is, did you run the winsock reset command yet?

[still zephyr]

same general fales

i ran one of the commands i cant remember if both

[still zephyr]

dont u just love windows

[waxen saddle]

Run CMD as an administrator, then netsh winsock reset

[still zephyr]

in safe mode?

[waxen saddle]

uhhhh it might work in safe mode. I've never tried.

worth a shot

[still zephyr]

it worked

should i restart

[waxen saddle]

Yup

[tame carbon]

@waxen saddle https://i.imgur.com/2KN99qM.png

[waxen saddle]

lllolll

[tame carbon]

98 SE, XP and 7 are the only useable versions

after 7 its only downhill.

[waxen saddle]

According to MS, we'll never get to a usable version. 😛

[tame carbon]

windows has some idiotic behavior, like when you plug in a thumbdrive with ext4 on it

first thing windows asks you: do you want to format?

[still zephyr]

still can't connect after running command

[waxen saddle]

What does Device manager have to say about your NIC?

[still zephyr]

I don't see anything unusual

[waxen saddle]

Can you uninstall the NIC, then re-install it?

Note: Worst case, you'll need to figure out what driver you need and download the driver on another device and move it to the broken computer via USB drive or something.

[still zephyr]

i have done this a few times today but ig ill try again

[waxen saddle]

oh. I didn't know that. probably won't get you anywhere then.

[still zephyr]

its so weird ive tried so many things and none of its working

[waxen saddle]

Let's look elsewhere...

Let's look elsewhere... run CMD as admin: sfc /scannow This will run "System File Checker". It will take a while to complete, but it should fix random core system files, if there are problems with them.

Be sure to reboot after running that.

[still zephyr]

ok thanks, ill come back when its done

[thick minnow]

Ya know, If Windows ever transitioned to BASH or ZSH or any of their derivatives, That would make it a lot more easier for a lot of people

[tame carbon]

windows isnt posix compliant

never gonna happen.

[thick minnow]

ik

sadly

[tame carbon]

windows needs to ditch windows

and start using the linux kernel

Im cool if microsoft makes their own Desktop environment

as long as they ditch their excuse for a kernel: NT

[thick minnow]

But the chance of that happening is pretty close to 0

[still zephyr]

@waxen saddle it finished and hasnt fixed, although it did find a corrupted file

[waxen saddle]

Well, not all was wasted then.

[still zephyr]

yeah

[still zephyr]

im getting worried im not gonna be able to fix this which is worrying because i don't wanna losr everything i have on my pc

[waxen saddle]

Do you have a way of backing up your files and re-installing Windows?

[still zephyr]

when re installing windows doesnt it give you a choice to keep files?

i cant really remember

[waxen saddle]

uhhh... I don't recall that, and honestly, I wouldn't rely on that either.

[still zephyr]

well i don't have a way to back them up

[waxen saddle]

Are they items that could be synced with dropbox? or Google drive?

wait. bad idea.

Do you have any kind of usb wired/wireless dongle you could try?

[still zephyr]

wdym

[tame carbon]

@waxen saddle soon:

[thick minnow]

I hope not

[thick minnow]

windows xp ❤️

[tame carbon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/mb9wvd/tale_as_old_as_time/

[waxen saddle]

Yea, no. I saw that news today and thought, “Microsoft's EEE program is still alive and well.”

[tame carbon]

exceptionally well

[waxen saddle]

@still zephyr In elevated CMD, try: netsh int ipv4 reset

[strange path]

Last I checked ME was bad 2000 was what XP was built off of....

[tame carbon]

@strange path NT.

"Next Technology"

[strange path]

fine

[tame carbon]

they clearly need to start development on NNT

New Next Technology

[strange path]

yeah NT was pretty slow

[tame carbon]

its still using the same kernel today

heavily modified ofc

Microsoft really has to start cutting their losses.

and reinvent the desktop with linux

[still zephyr]

sadly it didnt work, but i have found that windows seems yo think its a problem with a security setting or firewall

[tame carbon]

instead of a subsystem for linux, they need to make a windows 32 subsystem for linux

and then build their own Desktop environment

[strange path]

I remember my Athlon 1333 chugging away whenever I started it up, 2000 takes it's sweet time like 95 does.

[tame carbon]

No more driver BS on windows. kernel takes care of it.

and they can keep their UI the same on linux.

[still zephyr]

i could maybe try allowing some stuff through firewall

[tame carbon]

@still zephyr I doubt firewall has anything to do with this

@still zephyr you're still dealing with the same issue you were on this morning?

[still zephyr]

yeah

[tame carbon]

at this point, I would just back up all my files and reinstall windows completely.

windows is notoriously terrible to debug and fix problems on

fresh install is usually the fix-all

[still zephyr]

idk how to go about backing everything up like will game saves and stuff also be backdd up

[tame carbon]

@still zephyr savegames are usually located in your home folder somewhere

you just copy your entire user directory to another drive

I usually don't even bother with that. I take a full a image from the drive and then format it :P

[still zephyr]

wait will my d drive be fine bc my windwos is on c

[tame carbon]

I can pull files I want from the backup image on the fresh install

@still zephyr C would be wiped completely

your files are located in C:\Users

application settings are more difficult to keep. those are also stored in the user directory, a hidden directory called AppData

[still zephyr]

so if i just move the important stuff like program files and tge users folder i can wipe c drive and keep it all on the d drive

[tame carbon]

program files isnt important

you reinstall all your software

@still zephyr really helps if you have an external drive

lot safer to copy your files to an external device

rather than risking you accidentally formatting the entire device during reinstall

[still zephyr]

i have a second drive that windows isnt installed on

[tame carbon]

that's fair. you can just copy all your files you wish to keep to that thing

make sure you disconnect it from the motherboard when you go to install windows .

windows shouldnt have the 2nd drive available during install.

[still zephyr]

right ok

[tame carbon]

after installation, you can reconnect your 2nd drive

and it should appear again

then you can copy back whatever you want

and reinstall all your software

[still zephyr]

say i have steam games on d drive and i have steam on c, when i reinstall windows and get steam on c drive again will it recognise the d drive games

[tame carbon]

possibly.

you can have multiple locations for steam libraries

pretty sure you can just add the library to steam again after installation

[still zephyr]

ok that's handy

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/1v4Sq3L.png

@still zephyr your personal files are most important

programs and such, you can always download again

[still zephyr]

yeah true

ive never had to this before so its kinda stress thats why im trying so many ways to avoid a re install

[tame carbon]

I stopped bothering with windows' bullshit

I use linux on my daily driver laptop

and my desktop, last time I did a fresh install was... yeah last year

when feature update completely broke my install

windows is so unstable, you have but to utter a few rude words and it crashes

[still zephyr]

i would use linux but it isnt practucle for what i do but i do love using it kn vms

a feature update made my old laptop forget it had a hardrive lmao

[tame carbon]

my laptop is still running ubuntu 16

5 years since installation, still running strong

hasn't crashed a single time in all those years

[still zephyr]

if i had a laptop rn id definitely use linux on it

[cosmic cove]

Are we active here now?

I got a question

[tame carbon]

ask

dont ask to ask

https://i.imgur.com/OSnqctq.png

[cosmic cove]

I need router recommendations

[tame carbon]

then you are in the right place

[cosmic cove]

For around 65 usd

[tame carbon]

what kind of requirements do you have?

[cosmic cove]

I would prefer WiFi 6 and it needs to have at least two Lan ports but I’m not that caught up on routers so 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

My price cap is 85

[tame carbon]

uhh

router.

you're talking about a wireless access point now

@cosmic cove https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2

I'm a big fan of mikrotik personally. Cheap, reliable, lots of features

only downside to them, they don't offer wifi 6 yet

@cosmic cove I use this as wireless in the living room

[cosmic cove]

Aight thanks

Most of the recommended you find online are really gamery and overpriced

[tame carbon]

@cosmic cove the issue is that marketing for consumer routers is completely messed up

mikrotik doesnt really do advertising

they are used by ISPs and small time installation on customer premises

[cosmic cove]

All their equipment looks very enterprise 😂😂

[tame carbon]

that's cus it is

@cosmic cove that hAP ac2 can do the same things their 3000 buck router can do

just a bit slower, ofcourse

they all run the same OS

[cosmic cove]

Cool

[tame carbon]

@cosmic cove if in the future, you want better coverage in your home. You can always buy a 2nd access point

those mikrotiks can have a wireless controller

[cosmic cove]

Yea this isn’t for me

[tame carbon]

control many access points.

[cosmic cove]

It’s for a friend that lives in an apartment complex

[tame carbon]

@cosmic cove if you just buy it and plug it in

it is configured as a standard home wifi router

as default.

[cosmic cove]

That’s great

No effort on my part

[tame carbon]

Minor

you have to configure the WAN interface, and change the password on the router

that's it.

perhaps change wireless pass

[cosmic cove]

Well that’s pretty standard for an installation anyway

[tame carbon]

@cosmic cove their settings system have a "Quickset" feature.

which only shows the things a home wifi router would do

https://i.imgur.com/ir57wO5.png

looks like that ^

[cosmic cove]

Cooool

Good thinking on their part

[tame carbon]

@cosmic cove perhaps might just be easier on your part to buy a consumer wifi router and call it a day

if it was for your own network, and you are interested in setting up your home lab/network
Mikrotik is a good tool to help you learn

they are much easier to configure than other enterprise devices are

[cosmic cove]

Im pretty tech savvy and so is my friend

[tame carbon]

well then might as well give it a try? :D

the fact that you can add more wireless APs to your liking, makes it very attractive for futureproofing

[cosmic cove]

I just haven’t dived into networking

[tame carbon]

that hAP ac2 can route a total traffic of around 2gbit/s

which is pretty sweet for such a small router

most consumer routers don't even get up to their rated port speed of 1G

[cosmic cove]

I know

[tame carbon]

like those ripoff TP-link routers with 2.5G ports on them

[cosmic cove]

It’s crazy

[tame carbon]

they cap out around 1700mbit

[honest wind]

Can someone help me with a IoT issue? I have a phillips hue bulb / bridge, and I have it working on my phone. The bridge can't update nor can it see the internet even though other devices on the IoT network are able to see the internet. I also can't get it to discover / be added through apple homekit

autodiscover fails but I can add the IP directly in the hue app

[tame carbon]

@honest wind can you give us some more information on the layout of the network?

what address do you use on your hue

what what the router address is on

idk anything about phillips hue

[honest wind]

IDIoT network -> 192.168.15.0/29
Main network / wifi -> 192.168.5.0/24
SharedLan -> 192.168.2.0/24

Pihole / DNS -> 192.168.2.208
iPhone -> 192.168.5.84
Hue bridge -> 192.168.15.2
Raspberry pi -> 192.168.15.3 (Used for testing internet access from iot network)
Other networks -> doesn't matter

All outgoing dns is blocked unless pihole through dns over https
I allowed IDIoT network to access dns in case hue had a hardcoded dns address

Iot can't talk to other networks and vice versa unless there's an exception (e.g. pihole and my iphone)

The phone can pair with the hue bridge and change lights just fine but the hue bridge can't see the internet or update. I also can't add the hue bridge to homekit

The raspberry pi has internet / dns access everything on there works as intended

[rocky badge]

Do you have mDNS forwarding/proxy

[honest wind]

no, right now for the iot network all dns is allowed anyway

[rocky badge]

Also, try unplugging the hue bridge power

mDNS != DNS

[honest wind]

oh multicast dns

yes tried enabling that

also tried rebooting

and repairing the bridge

I don't know if multicast works between the 2 networks though

[rocky badge]

That's the purpose of a mDNS proxy

[honest wind]

ah I see. I don't think I did that then

I'm on unifi, not sure how to do so

[rocky badge]

Settings -> Services -> mDNS

on classic settings

New UI: Settings -> Advanced Features -> Advanced Gateway Settings -> Multicast DNS

[honest wind]

hey that worked! Thanks! ❤️

Homekit requires mdns I guess

[rocky badge]

Yeah

[honest wind]

anything about the internet connection?

and why the rpi has it but the hue doesn't?

[rocky badge]

Apple loves mDNS & Bonjour

is the Internet light not on the Hue bridge?

[honest wind]

nope

can I disable mdns once paired?

[rocky badge]

No

[honest wind]

😠 port isolation time xD

but at least I know what i'm playing with now

[gritty valley]

QuickSet is fine if You dont touch anything else, otherwise sometimes it can bork up previous/future configurations

[rocky badge]

Usually when that happens for me, I just have to unplug the Hue bridge power

[honest wind]

yeah I was thinking I had bad FW rules for the longest time

but I put an rpi on the same network

[tame carbon]

@gritty valley yeah its for the initial setup, thats it

[honest wind]

and it works as intended

[rocky badge]

So its been happening to you as well? lol

[gritty valley]

I still prefer to dig trought the wiki and do the configs on my own.

[rocky badge]

idk for me its weird lol

The Hue bridge doesn't connect to Internet after unplugging Ethernet or over time

And the only fix is to unplug the power

[honest wind]

I may have to factory reset it then

or... just not update it and disable internet on purpose for that network 😄

[rocky badge]

lol

[still zephyr]

@tame carbon this says i might be able to keep files?

[honest wind]

I'd uhh backup your files anyway to an external hard drive if you can

generally yes but if you click wrong or if something goes wrong on the OS side you can lose your files

[still zephyr]

ok thanks for the clarity

im just backing up the users folder is that the most important?

[honest wind]

wherever your files are

I don't do a ton of windows stuff so i'm not sure

but I think there are some external locations like appdata you'd care about

[still zephyr]

oh shit yeah that had a lot of saves in thanks

[honest wind]

yep. There may be other locations on windows stuff is saved so look / ask around here.

[still zephyr]

i think a lot of my game saves are on my secondary drive so that should be fine

[honest wind]

I hope so. if windows sees those as windows files, same thing as with any other file though

maybe just unplug that hdd while you restore?

idk how that'd affect windows though

[still zephyr]

yeah i probably will do that

[tame carbon]

@still zephyr yeah remove that before, as I told you

you need a usb stick

and windows 10 install media on it

dont use that internal restart thing

just boot from usb

and install that way

that way you really get a clean installation

[honest wind]

oh if you're going full clean that way

definitely going to lose files right?

[tame carbon]

yeah all of C will be wiped

@still zephyr you copied your C:\Users right?

[honest wind]

yeah make sure you've got all your files then iriamu

[gritty valley]

insert a segway to LTT sponsor - Synology and their NAS enclosures 😄

[honest wind]

lttstore.com

[tame carbon]

ew

no

go back to #public-chat

leave that crap at the door

[gritty valley]

Im sorry, I had to

But reasons like these are why I really like all the data to be stored off-drive and on a NAS

If You need to nuke Windows - dont have to worry about data migration and/or loss

[tame carbon]

I just assembled a small ryzen system on a mini itx board

it has 10G fiber optic

and bunch of storage

those all in one units are meh

I can configure the software myself

[gritty valley]

Yeah, currently looking at an reeealllyy old decom server to turn into a nas for giggles

[honest wind]

I'm using a 2010 mac pro that I got for free ^

[gritty valley]

For basic people who just want RAID1 storage - the 2 bay are fine

[honest wind]

put ubuntu on it

[tame carbon]

debian

[gritty valley]

FreeBSD

[tame carbon]

get out of here

[rocky badge]

Tempting to just tell my teacher I'm managing shit for to just buy this https://www.amazon.com/Synology-Bay-Rackstation-RS819-Diskless/dp/B07QRCG5GC/

[honest wind]

I can get behind debian

[rocky badge]

its only $600

and super easy to configure so he doesn't have to rely on me to manage storage

[tame carbon]

ew 1G

[rocky badge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[still zephyr]

yeah its doing it rn taking a while tho

[rocky badge]

The switch on the other end is only gigabit

[tame carbon]

double ew

can you do LAG?

[rocky badge]

There's no purpose in going 10 gig when its only a gigabit access switch

[honest wind]

sounds like you have a bit of a bottleneck

[rocky badge]

That would have to go through IT

to configure a LACP group

[honest wind]

bottleneck would still be the outgoing port on the switch, no?

[tame carbon]

you can serve multiple clients on the same switch though

[honest wind]

oh I see

lag wouldn't work if it's just 1 interface 10g on the nas though

[gritty valley]

That is - if switch can handle the traffic and doesnt crumble when multi-users hit it with load

[rocky badge]

plus, gigabit is fine tbh for infrequent access

[tame carbon]

if all they do is put documents on them

[rocky badge]

its a 3 switch stack

with 24 gbps stacking

and 40 gig back to the core lol

[gritty valley]

Oh sure, Im just talking theoreticals 😄

[honest wind]

I got a whole 0.19mbps down at my works' office yesterday 😄

gigabit would sure be nice

[rocky badge]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LO3KR96/

6TB, $145

[honest wind]

yasss finally someone who recommends WD. Every seagate drive i've had fails

[rocky badge]

So around ~1.3k for 24TB of RAW storage

[honest wind]

i've only had one WD drive fail, and it only sorta failed

plus it was really old

[gritty valley]

But - after the shingle shaninigans they did before - can WD be trusted?

[rocky badge]

We'd have 18TB usable

[honest wind]

trust no one

[rocky badge]

with SHR

[tame carbon]

they only do that on their budget lineup

[rocky badge]

so with that logic

would you not trust Seagate

with the 1.5TB & 3TB drive failures

[tame carbon]

you're just using it the wrong way

[rocky badge]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ST3000DM001

[tame carbon]

drivegate

[honest wind]

how tf do you use it the wrong way?

put it in a blender?

or a paint shaker?

[rocky badge]

its less of "what they did"

and how they respond

[tame carbon]

I've had a seagate nas go boom before

like, drives just failing

another where the OS completely broke itself

since then I swore off those all in one units

companies can only be good at 1 thing

if you make harddrives, you suck at writing your own operating system

[rocky badge]

nice thing with SHR

we can mix drive capacities 😳

[tame carbon]

equally slow

[rocky badge]

https://blob.rocks/bswEBRyvBo.png

SHR is RAID 1 + RAID 5 lol

[tame carbon]

I have a btrfs raid1 running here

[honest wind]

jbod anyone?

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo I hope this place has at least a 5U rack lol

[tame carbon]

I had one of those a long time ago

for couchpotato

who cares if couple movies go missing

you can just download em again

[rocky badge]

UDM-Pro, USW-24-POE, PDU, UPS, patch panel...5 needed lol

[tame carbon]

https://couchpota.to/

valhalla of illegal netflix

[honest wind]

does it download via vpn?

[tame carbon]

no

[honest wind]

I'd hate for an ISP to snoop on that sorta traffic

[tame carbon]

its just a fancy torrent client

[honest wind]

I see

[tame carbon]

with movie lists

maintained by some pirate

[honest wind]

i'm ok with just doing that myself

[tame carbon]

I set one of these up a long time ago in a student home

[honest wind]

if I did that sort of thing anyway

[tame carbon]

they had raspberry pi's in every room

and a central server with like a pile of 20 or so old laptop drives

[gritty valley]

Why?

[tame carbon]

to stream

[gritty valley]

Ah, You put them

[tame carbon]

couchpotato is a server application

it runs in background and automatically downloads new releases

[gritty valley]

yeah, at first thought there were already rb pi in every room

[tame carbon]

no

we put one behind each tv

with KODI on it

back then it was called XBMC

https://kodi.tv/

just hook that up to the couchpotato nas

and you're good to go

[honest wind]

if I set something up i'd use plex probably

[tame carbon]

yeah this was long time ago