#networking | Linus Tech Tips | Page 305

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:07 PM

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ah preconfiguring

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 3:07 PM

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oh

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:07 PM

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good practice to do tbh

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 3:07 PM

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yeah so I assume you would want to NAT that IP?

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:07 PM

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so yes you should be able to route via interface then instead of IP

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:07 PM

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how would i do that then?

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 3:08 PM

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idk myself

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:08 PM

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cisco specific I have no idea I've only touched a cisco switch once. But generally you can build routes saying any traffic coming from "X Lan" or vlan tagged with "Y" can be routed to wan0

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where wan0 is the interface

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 3:09 PM

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wait do you want to just route a subnet or NAT?

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:09 PM

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i think this switch has no "wan" or "lan", just ethernet that you have to configure to inside and outside

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:09 PM

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peak cloak wait do you want to just route a subnet or NAT?

i think NAT

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 3:09 PM

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late geyser i think this switch has no "wan" or "lan", just ethernet that you have to config...

yeah no switch has wan or lan

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 3:09 PM

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late geyser i think NAT

i found this https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/ios-xml/ios/ipaddr_nat/configuration/15-mt/nat-15-mt-book/iadnat-addr-consv.html

Cisco

IP Addressing: NAT Configuration Guide, Cisco IOS Release 15M&T - ...

IP Addressing: NAT Configuration Guide, Cisco IOS Release 15M&T
-Configuring NAT for IP Address Conservation

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:10 PM

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peak cloak yeah no switch has wan or lan

I thought he said it was a firewall

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:10 PM

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this has to be a separate lan network with access to internet

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 3:11 PM

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yeah so NAT, that article I think has the info you need

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:11 PM

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honest wind I thought he said it was a firewall

correct

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it's not the IOS firmware though

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it's the ASA firmware

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it might still be the same but i'm not sure

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:12 PM

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probably similar but yeah not the same

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 3:12 PM

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ah

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:12 PM

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tbh I thought all cisco stuff ran ios

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 3:13 PM

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@late geyser https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/security/asa/asa90/configuration/guide/asa_90_cli_config/nat_objects.html

Cisco

Cisco ASA Series CLI Configuration Guide, 9.0 - Configuring Network...

Configuring Network Object NAT

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found this

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:14 PM

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hm

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i think this firewall uses ASA 7.2 though

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https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/security/asa/asa72/configuration/guide/conf_gd/cfgnat.html

Cisco

Cisco Security Appliance Command Line Configuration Guide, Version ...

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this is what i found myself

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no wait i'm on 8.2

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so do i use static nat for this?

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 3:23 PM

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late geyser so do i use static nat for this?

I'm not 100% sure but I think dynamic with NAT overloading?

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:28 PM

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peak cloak <@!224256327944241152> https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/security/asa/asa90/...

i can't make heads or tails of this document

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 3:29 PM

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this is a better page https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/security/asa/asa90/configuration/guide/asa_90_cli_config/nat_overview.html

Cisco

Cisco ASA Series CLI Configuration Guide, 9.0 - Information About N...

Information About NAT

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:29 PM

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what do i input in my screen to make it so that everything on port 1-7 gets routed to port 0

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keep in mind i do not know the IP that i will be given, nor the range of it

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 3:30 PM

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late geyser keep in mind i do not know the IP that i will be given, nor the range of it

you make your own IP range on your LAN

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:30 PM

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what did they teach you in that school?

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:30 PM

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i will be relying entirely on DHCP of the company's DHCP server

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 3:30 PM

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well you will also need DHCP on your own LAN end

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:30 PM

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tame carbon what did they teach you in that school?

not Cisco or other networking stuff

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:31 PM

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peak cloak well you will also need DHCP on your own LAN end

i already set up my DHCP range, lease and DNS

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 3:31 PM

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ah cool

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:31 PM

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so, what now then

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:32 PM

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all I know is mikrotik, and there, you just use NAT for all traffic outgoing of the WAN interface

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:32 PM

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tame carbon what did they teach you in that school?

technically this isn't even what i'm supposed to learn

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:32 PM

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linux iptables is the same way

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@late geyser you can just tell your co-worker you can't figure it out?

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I mean, thats what coworkers are for

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 3:32 PM

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late geyser technically this isn't even what i'm supposed to learn

ok so I think you need Dynamic Port Address Translation

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aka PAT

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A group of real IP addresses are mapped to a single IP address using a unique source port of that IP addres

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idk

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:32 PM

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lol that's quite the meme though

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 3:33 PM

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but then again idk

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:33 PM

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tell an intern to configure a Cisco router

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:33 PM

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is that what an ordinary house router does?

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i think i have to pretty much do that

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:33 PM

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@late geyser source-nat

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:33 PM

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again, all i need is an internet connection

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:33 PM

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tame carbon tell an intern to configure a Cisco router

I AM THE INTERN

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:33 PM

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https://www.practicalnetworking.net/stand-alone/cisco-asa-nat/

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@late geyser thats why its such a meme

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because for someone with little experience on cisco, this is a nightmare.

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:34 PM

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ah

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:34 PM

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I know people who work with cisco for a living. They also say it's a nightmare 😆

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:34 PM

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I much prefer RouterOS :)

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https://i.imgur.com/s3HVA6x.png

Imgur

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:35 PM

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that on mikrotik routers?

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:35 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/e8Qno2Y.png

Imgur

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:35 PM

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routeros has a gui?? thought it was cli only

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:35 PM

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@honest wind Winbox

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the GUI is basically the same

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:35 PM

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ah ok

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:35 PM

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tame carbon https://www.practicalnetworking.net/stand-alone/cisco-asa-nat/

this doesn't look like DHCP ngl

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:36 PM

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@late geyser NAT is firewall.

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layer 4

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DHCP is layer 2

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:36 PM

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i think i have only 2 layers to work with physically

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:36 PM

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DHCP assigns addresses on an ethernet network

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NAT translates addresses between two IP networks

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If you want clients on a LAN to use a shared public IP

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the router will use source-nat with masquerade to translate outgoing traffic

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port forwarding would be the exact opposite, that's dst-nat

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:37 PM

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hmm

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:37 PM

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@late geyser you basically want source-nat for all traffic from LAN -> WAN

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this is before the router makes a routing decision

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traffic is still destined for 0.0.0.0/0 for outgoing

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:38 PM

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so far i've made a network object in that case

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:38 PM

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which is whatever gateway you get through DHCP from your ISP or upstream router

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:38 PM

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called Routing

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:38 PM

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idk how to work cisco devices

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its black magic for me

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:39 PM

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routers and such in general are that to me

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i mean i know how to configure my ISP's router, as well as my TP link router

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but both have a GUI

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TP link even has an app

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 3:39 PM

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tame carbon its black magic for me

If you can grasp RouterOS, IOS is easy peasy

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:40 PM

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well this aint IOS

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this is ASA

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:40 PM

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terminology is overcomplicated

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but that's just me

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 3:41 PM

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Nah nah nah. I love RouterOS but it definitely over complicates some things.

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 3:41 PM

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late geyser this is ASA

RIP, one of the few OS I refuse to touch

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:41 PM

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@hollow marlin like manually dialing in 2.4GHz frequencies xD

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it doesn't know 1 6 and 11

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I had to look them up xD

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 3:42 PM

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VLANs is all I need to say, especially between switchips

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:42 PM

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so should i do this?

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 3:42 PM

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late geyser i mean i know how to configure my ISP's router, as well as my TP link router

Thats super basic, what did they teach at school

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 3:43 PM

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late geyser so should i do this?

I assume this is for NAT then?

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:43 PM

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peak cloak Thats super basic, what did they teach at school

how to configure a basic ass router

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:43 PM

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hollow marlin I assume this is for NAT then?

yes

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:43 PM

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@hollow marlin he wants to set it up for SOHO

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single public IP, LAN with DHCP and SRC-NAT

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 3:43 PM

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Yeah you are going to want to specify the inside and outside interfaces/subnets

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:44 PM

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late geyser how to configure a basic ass router

aka some shitty 2.4 ghz only wireless router

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:44 PM

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@late geyser consumer routers suck.

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they are very very limited in features.

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:44 PM

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hollow marlin Yeah you are going to want to specify the inside and outside interfaces/subnets

i already assigned the interfaces, or rather, Cisco did it by default

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:44 PM

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@honest wind you asked about the GUI: https://i.imgur.com/r3tIYfP.png

Imgur

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:45 PM

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tame carbon <@!224256327944241152> consumer routers suck.

my TP link router is fine

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:45 PM

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@honest wind that's the equivalent of /interface print

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:45 PM

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my ISP's however, sucks

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and very limited

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:45 PM

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@late geyser even tplink sucks.

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their routers at least

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:45 PM

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i mean i'm using mine as an access point

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so idk lol

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:45 PM

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tplink isn't bad for a consumer router

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 3:45 PM

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tame carbon <@!353782408421834754> you asked about the GUI: https://i.imgur.com/r3tIYfP.png

GUI for realtime info, CLI for all else. Don't be barbarian

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 3:46 PM

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late geyser i already assigned the interfaces, or rather, Cisco did it by default

What issues are you running into at the moment?

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:46 PM

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anyways i have set the DHCP range to 192.168.1.100-192.168.1.227

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:46 PM

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@hollow marlin I basically use the GUI to look over configs that are present. CLI the moment I need things to be reproducible or mass-deployable.

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But you can always export your config :D

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:46 PM

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hollow marlin What issues are you running into at the moment?

i just don't know what to do

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 3:47 PM

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hollow marlin What issues are you running into at the moment?

He basically needs to NAT one ip on the "WAN" inferface to the rest

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:47 PM

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@honest wind those 400 buck 8-legged routers they released on the market recently. They claim them as being capable of 2.5G, They even put a couple 2.5G ports on them.

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@honest wind but benchmarks suggest a completely different story. They bottleneck at around 1.7G

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 3:47 PM

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late geyser i just don't know what to do

So LAN is set, DHCP is setup, NAT inside/outside is setup, now is just the firewall policies

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:47 PM

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no i haven't touched NAT yet

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i'm at that part now

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:48 PM

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late geyser i just don't know what to do

meme answer: pay cisco for a certification course 😆

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:48 PM

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why do you think lawyers still exist?

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same trick

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;)

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:48 PM

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thoughts on edgeos?

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:48 PM

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too edgy

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 3:48 PM

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peak cloak He basically needs to NAT one ip on the "WAN" inferface to the rest

So I am not sure if this applies to ASA but with IOSXE/XR/NXOS, they need the overload flag. Essentially sets it to PAT

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:49 PM

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nice

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:49 PM

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welcome to another round of "no one knows how to use Cisco systems"

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including me

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 3:49 PM

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honest wind meme answer: pay cisco for a certification course 😆

Nah just do what I did and have work pay for the certs

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 3:49 PM

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hollow marlin So I am not sure if this applies to ASA but with IOSXE/XR/NXOS, they need the `o...

Yeah I was looking at that and I thought overload was needed

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:49 PM

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so uhhhh

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how

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do i do that

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:50 PM

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hollow marlin Nah just do what I did and have work pay for the certs

true 😄

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:50 PM

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i know one of my teachers also teaches Cisco and has multiple certs

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should i just straight up ask him how the hell to do this?

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:51 PM

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thats the point of an internship no?

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to learn something from people who have experience

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:51 PM

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imagine making a product so confusing and undocumented that you need courses to learn how to use your product

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:51 PM

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i'd expect him to just say "nah that counts as cheating go figure it out lmao"

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 3:51 PM

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late geyser should i just straight up ask him how the hell to do this?

Let me do a google, they promptly forget ASA syntax

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:51 PM

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why would he?

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 3:51 PM

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honest wind imagine making a product so confusing and undocumented that you need courses to ...

That's true for a lot of stuff?...

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A lot of programs, hardware, etc....

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:52 PM

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aws is another big one

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 3:52 PM

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You train to learn how to use them

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:52 PM

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they at least have a lot of docs

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:52 PM

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rocky badge A lot of programs, hardware, etc....

microwave clocks

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:52 PM

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actually with microwave clocks its cause no one reads the manual

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but that's usually well documented 🙂

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:52 PM

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meme answer buddy

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:52 PM

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nah

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 3:52 PM

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there's a lot of stuff that has certifications ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:52 PM

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people need to RTFM more often

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:52 PM

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shhhh I take this one personally because I spent 30 mins updating mine last weekend until I read the manual

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:53 PM

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lmao

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i can do mine without the manual

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 3:53 PM

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Cisco, HPE, Aruba, AWS, Azure, GCP, Microsoft, etc

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:53 PM

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it's just that every time i did it, the power was lost not that long after

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so i just stopped bothering

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:53 PM

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that's me if I set my oven cclock

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so same

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 3:53 PM

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There's so many parts, you can specialize in specific parts of their products

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:53 PM

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anyways

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NAT

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how

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:53 PM

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I got a weight driven pendulum clock. That thing is great

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:53 PM

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what do i put in at this point

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:53 PM

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we do NAT know how (sorry pun)

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:54 PM

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@honest wind Newton was wrong

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:54 PM

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i'm running on coffee fumes rn

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i have no focus to keep reading a manual that looks all alien to me

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:54 PM

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first internship, I had to implement a SOAP API

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worst 2 weeks of my life

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:54 PM

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who uses soap though

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everything is rest

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:54 PM

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Governments.

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Smart meter integration

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:55 PM

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honest wind who uses soap though

go wash your hands right now

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:55 PM

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Worked for a company that did telemetry for public infrastructure

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:55 PM

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hahaha nice

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:55 PM

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traffic lights, street lights, sewer systems

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 3:55 PM

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xml 🥴

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 3:55 PM

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I need to find a senior internship for next year

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:55 PM

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json ❤️

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 3:55 PM

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rocky badge xml 🥴

ikr

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 3:55 PM

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json ♥️ yes

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:55 PM

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@rocky badge it was such BS. You used a library to normalize the XML, so you can create a digest and signature.

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 3:56 PM

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RESTful ♥️

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:56 PM

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raw sockets and data streams ❤️

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:56 PM

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The entire SOAP document was a body and a header that contained the signature and certificate

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and everything had to be audited

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because governments.

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 3:56 PM

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@late geyser

(config-network-object)# subnet 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0
(config-network-object)# nat (inside,outside) dynamic interface```

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:57 PM

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so i type out those things in the router like that?

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 3:57 PM

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Try that and see. Not seeing that the outside interface is to be defined

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Yes, just everything after the #

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:57 PM

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i do get that part yeah

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:57 PM

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@rocky badge yeah. thats what I did lol. the program would fetch data from the central access server using SOAP.
Data it retrieved was stored in OracleDB.

Internal applications would then use a REST API to query this data.

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 3:58 PM

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🥴

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:58 PM

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Oracle also yikes

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:58 PM

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not my choice!

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I had design constraints.

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:58 PM

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unpopular opinion here on LTT..... but MS also yikes

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:58 PM

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not in here

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:58 PM

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gaming obviously is excempt

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oh nice

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:58 PM

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linux is king ❤️

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:58 PM

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hollow marlin <@!224256327944241152> ```(config)# object network nat-inside-lan (config-netwo...

this gave me an error

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 3:58 PM

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depends on who you ask tbh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:58 PM

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hm

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:58 PM

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❤️ yes

south blade Mar 17, 2021, 3:59 PM

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Do you guys know the process of updating PFSense, have 2.4.4 and newest is 2.5.0?

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 3:59 PM

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late geyser this gave me an error

what error

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:59 PM

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i seem to be doing something wrong

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:59 PM

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I have a 2010 mac pro running ubuntu xD

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 3:59 PM

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I'm fine with Windows for my desktop

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Since I can use wsl

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 3:59 PM

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peak cloak what error

invalid input at the b of subnet

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 3:59 PM

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brb

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 3:59 PM

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Does everything I'd need Linux for on my desktop

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 3:59 PM

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I use my desktop for gaming. I have MINGW64 to use GNU tools

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WSL is completely broken for me

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 3:59 PM

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Sounds like a you problem then

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 3:59 PM

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@hollow marlin that's the subnet of the internal IP range, right?

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 4:00 PM

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I got my laptop on my desk, I can just ssh into there

sharp creek Mar 17, 2021, 4:00 PM

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late geyser NAT

Did you setup the Route in Route list?

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 4:00 PM

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peak cloak <@!462711605063450628> that's the subnet of the internal IP range, right?

Yeah, you want to specify the internal

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 4:00 PM

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WSL2 is so much better than just SSHing into a host

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 4:00 PM

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i'm in Router(config-network)# btw

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 4:00 PM

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no no wsl2 is so slow for me

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 4:00 PM

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My local drives are mounted and networking is handled for me

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Lol WSL2 is so fast

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 4:00 PM

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not for me 🙃

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 4:00 PM

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not sure why it isn't Router(config-network-object)# though

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 4:01 PM

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I have worse IO on WSL2 than on WSL

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 4:01 PM

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eh whatever i'll ask again tomorrow

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 4:01 PM

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fast for me on am 8700K ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

late geyser Mar 17, 2021, 4:01 PM

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time for leave

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 4:01 PM

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but I refuse to use that buggy excuse for a virtual machine

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 4:01 PM

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3700x and nvme drive for me

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 4:01 PM

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And nvme ssds

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 4:01 PM

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my sata ssd mac pro is faster

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sata2

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 4:01 PM

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I can have multiple visual studio code workspaces open via WSL2 at once and don't feel a thing

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its literally just a vm, so not much performance impact ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 4:03 PM

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the performance inside the vm itself is slow

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 4:03 PM

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honest wind the performance inside the vm itself is slow

you sure you have virtualization enabled?

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 4:03 PM

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yes

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wsl / wsl2 wont' even work w/o it

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it's ok I don't do anything important on this desktop anyway, just games and discord

lunar spade Mar 17, 2021, 4:33 PM

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Yellow: Internet coming into my house
Blue: network switch
Green: router
White: my computer

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Would this work, or would my internet have to go through the router 1st?

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And would this bypass the APP my parents use to track internet usage (from my IP)

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 4:36 PM

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lunar spade Would this work, or would my internet have to go through the router 1st?

no

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needs to go through router

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to route from the one IP you get

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unless your ISP is really badly configured

thick minnow Mar 17, 2021, 4:37 PM

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lunar spade And would this bypass the APP my parents use to track internet usage (from my IP...

For this, couldn't you just use a VPN?

lunar spade Mar 17, 2021, 4:37 PM

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thick minnow For this, couldn't you just use a VPN?

Internet still goes through the router regardless if im doing nothing or Using Tor + Tails + VPN

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Internet useage as in: When my computer requests internet access

thick minnow Mar 17, 2021, 4:42 PM

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Well, I don't think there's anyway to bypass that without tinkering with the software itself

lunar spade Mar 17, 2021, 4:42 PM

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Yeah, only way to bypass it is by breaking AES 256

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 4:44 PM

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why would you put your computer right on the internet too.... put that behind the router xD

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should be
internet
-> router
-> switch
-> device
-> device

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 4:46 PM

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thick minnow For this, couldn't you just use a VPN?

oh wait in terms of tracking usage. No, they count the bytes, a VPN you just send encrypted bytes, which is still traffic. They won't be able to see the contents though

thick minnow Mar 17, 2021, 4:46 PM

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Yea, I got that, thnx anyway

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 4:50 PM

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I had an isp once accidentally give me a gigabit instead of the 30 mbps 😆

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or basically the entire building got a shared gigabit connection

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instead of each apartment having a throttled connection to whatever they paid for

thick minnow Mar 17, 2021, 4:51 PM

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That must be nice

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 4:51 PM

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@honest wind I can actually see the bandwidth shaping that my ISP does

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if i do a speedtest

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 4:52 PM

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it was for 3 months until they fixed it lol

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 4:52 PM

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it jumps to like 600mbit/s

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before going back down to 250

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 4:52 PM

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i've got google fiber now, so I get around 980 down and 900ish up

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on a bad day I can drop to 700 up

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 4:52 PM

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dedicated internet is expensive

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 4:53 PM

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70/mo

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 4:53 PM

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lol

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honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 4:53 PM

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AAAH

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NO

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 4:53 PM

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honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 4:53 PM

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geezus

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 4:53 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/Lq7l8em.png

Imgur

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 4:53 PM

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you get a dedicated fiber line to their switch/router

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no PON

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I think

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 4:53 PM

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I'll take my 100ish mbps fluctuations for 70/mo xD

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 4:54 PM

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@peak cloak then what is it that i Have?

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Its single mode fiber here, no PON

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 4:54 PM

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if I move I'll want to try out starlink

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 4:54 PM

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I just get my service over a VLAN

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 4:54 PM

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tame carbon <@!222482269829332992> then what is it that i Have?

well I think it's a bit different too

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idk specifics

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 4:54 PM

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This is an FttH connection, but they don't use PON

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 4:54 PM

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Also in their internal network

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 4:55 PM

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Then its AE (active ethernet)

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 4:55 PM

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and ddos protection, etc.

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 4:55 PM

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@hollow marlin but isnt this even done in transit?

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DHCP service on a vlan

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Very common way to connect two networks

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 4:56 PM

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AE is almost identical to just using a switch with per-port fiber runs to homes. There is just included provisioning and management involved

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 4:57 PM

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@hollow marlin pretty sure my fiber terminates in a small exchange hub

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 4:57 PM

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google fiber is offering 2gbps to my place now but only 1gbps up

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 4:57 PM

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because this fiber network is used by 5 different ISPs

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 4:57 PM

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but I'd need to get a new router and swtiches and move everything to be better than gigabit

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so I can wait

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 4:58 PM

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tame carbon <@!462711605063450628> pretty sure my fiber terminates in a small exchange hub

Yeah its still the same. Without further details, its most likely AE

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There is really only 3 ways to effectively provide FTTH, any flavor of PON, AE or MEF

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:00 PM

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MEF?

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 5:00 PM

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Metro-e

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:01 PM

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hollow marlin AE is almost identical to just using a switch with per-port fiber runs to homes....

I wish my ISP did AE lol

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 5:01 PM

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I have been noticing many ISP are slowly testing the waters pulling AE out and replacing it with MEF. You lose the automation at the access device and move it further in the network

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We have a pretty even split between AE/GPON

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:02 PM

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But tbh GPON has been fine

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:02 PM

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@hollow marlin so what is Metro E? a technique to multiplex a single high speed fiber into many smaller ones?
And then delivering ethernet over that?

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 5:04 PM

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No thats PON. Metro-e is just easier manipulation of VLAN tagging such as QinQ, normalization, isolation, etc.

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:04 PM

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so each Client <--> ISP is its own ethernet domain?

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:04 PM

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Yeah PON is using time division to split the signal for ONTs iirc

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 5:04 PM

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AE/MEF protocol wise really are not much different technically

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:05 PM

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right

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so seems more like a difference in architectural viewpoints

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:05 PM

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AE and Metro E it's basically like plugging into a port on a switch but with different management, iirc lol idk

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 5:05 PM

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Exactly

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:06 PM

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With PON you only need a port for X number of customers, because it's then split using a splitter

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:06 PM

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@rocky badge really? I thought PON used some kind of wavelength multiplexing

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:06 PM

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But AE/Metro E you need port/customer(connection)

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:06 PM

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didnt think they would do time slicing

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:07 PM

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GPON uses TDMA

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It's like DOCSIS in that case but over fiber

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 5:07 PM

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WDM is wave multiplexing. DWDM/CWDM. PON is TDM. Each ONT gets a timeslot to transmit/received based on their configuration

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:08 PM

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@hollow marlin wikipedia says that Metro E is often deployed as an MPLS network

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:08 PM

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hollow marlin WDM is wave multiplexing. DWDM/CWDM. PON is TDM. Each ONT gets a timeslot to tra...

WDM is typically used with backhaul right? And not to end customers

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:08 PM

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You can rent a wavelength

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:08 PM

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Since you likely don't need that kind of bandwidth and price in consideration

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 5:08 PM

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tame carbon <@!462711605063450628> wikipedia says that Metro E is often deployed as an MPLS ...

Kinda sorta, but that statement is mostly incorrect as metro-e was focused around non-mpls networks

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:09 PM

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Capsuling protocols, such as Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS), were also deployed to address the drawbacks of operating L2 metro Ethernet rings.

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ah yes

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 5:09 PM

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rocky badge WDM is typically used with backhaul right? And not to end customers

Mostly. Some larger customers can request a dedicated wave but mainly just for transport

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:10 PM

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X-connects and such

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two datacenters may already have a fiber. I'd assume they would allocate a wavelength instead

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:10 PM

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hollow marlin Mostly. Some larger customers can request a dedicated wave but mainly just for t...

Yeah

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 5:11 PM

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DWDM is getting relatively inexpensive so its becoming more common between sites.

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:11 PM

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I know my school has some from Spectrum

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:11 PM

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:D you can buy 16 channel muxers from FS for only like 500 bucks

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:11 PM

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For site to site

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:12 PM

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those WDM fiber modules are expensive though

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:12 PM

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hub and spoke but with actual fiber lol

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 5:12 PM

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Those are probably passive MUX at that cost. Active DWDM is quite expensive but mostly not needed

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:13 PM

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And not VPN

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 5:13 PM

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rocky badge hub and spoke but with actual fiber lol

Thats exactly how is used in a lot of cases. The MUX is the hub

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:14 PM

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@hollow marlin they are passive. They dont have a power plug

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they have a Line & monitor port

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and then a bunch of channels

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 5:14 PM

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Yep, pretty much is just a prism in a box

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:14 PM

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and I think it was CWDM

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Yep

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:14 PM

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Yeah lol

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although the school doesn't pay Spectrum directly nor do they use spectrum services directly

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ENA provides the IP transit and Spectrum is just who they use in the area for fiber

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 5:16 PM

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Our transport is all DWDM between to geographic paths with another backup-backup path through dark fiber which they are also using DWDM

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:16 PM

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Then they all connect back to a switch & asa for routing between sites

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:16 PM

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KEKW https://i.imgur.com/aUqsXG5.png

Imgur

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 5:16 PM

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The biggest benefit is the throughput but also the range of the optics can easily go 80km+

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:16 PM

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3 asas handle the routing lol

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Idk how long the longest fiber is

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:16 PM

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So stupid. I don't understand why routerOS doesnt have a list of frequencies

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:16 PM

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That's on spectrum to handle

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:16 PM

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but they expect you to dial it in by hand..

tender hazel Mar 17, 2021, 5:17 PM

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they have the list of frequencies only when you are not using capsman

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frequency is a drop down when you aren't using capsman

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:17 PM

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@hollow marlin I wonder what the school will do for the new school they're building behind an existing school

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Are they gonna get another 10 gig line directly to the hub or just piggy back off of the existing school 🤣

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:18 PM

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@tender hazel curious. https://i.imgur.com/NNdVUQL.png

Imgur

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 5:19 PM

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tame carbon but they expect you to dial it in by hand..

Reason is CAPsman does not know what the client CAP will be. Could be US/International with different freq. Think of CAPsman as a template

tender hazel Mar 17, 2021, 5:19 PM

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yup

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:19 PM

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isnt 2.4GHz - ch1 same ?

tender hazel Mar 17, 2021, 5:19 PM

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what I usually do is log into a device that isn't set up as a CAP to look at the wireless list

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 5:19 PM

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rocky badge Are they gonna get another 10 gig line directly to the hub or just piggy back of...

That cost adds up so fast, especially with Spectrum

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:19 PM

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It does....

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$650k/year for the existing s2s fiber service

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 5:20 PM

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Yeah thats about right

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:20 PM

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Although that is before E rate

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Iirc

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So it doesn't hit too bad

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:20 PM

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@tender hazel Naming seems to be a very important feat. The moment you have a bunch of CAPs in the list

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:21 PM

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E rate pricing tho 😂 $60k of equipment for like $7k

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:21 PM

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would be cool if those APs had some kind of GPS receiver

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 5:21 PM

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rocky badge So it doesn't hit too bad

Its OK, your taxes are taking care of the cost ping

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:21 PM

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so you could generate a map

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:21 PM

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😂 yeah

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 5:23 PM

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tame carbon would be cool if those APs had some kind of GPS receiver

All the LTAPs have it, im sure some some of the wireless stations do

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Does the Metal 52 have a mini PCI slot?

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:23 PM

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my favorite is 2 cups and a string

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:24 PM

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@hollow marlin I don't know. Its entirely sealed

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and I dont want to remove the bolts from the enclosure

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it has only a single port

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ethernet/poe-in

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and a reset button

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at 5GHz, its very fast

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at 2.4 I squeezed around 80mbit/s per client

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but that was at 20Mhz

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 5:26 PM

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Quick google says it doesn't have one. If it did you could slap the GPS module in it

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:26 PM

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anything above 20mhz 2.4

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:26 PM

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@rocky badge not gonna do that no

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the area I am deploying wireless in, will mostly be sector antennas

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and as @tender hazel said if you dont want overlapping channels, you shouldnt use 40Mhz

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those mANT AP's I am most likely going to end up buying

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have dual band

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and with a 90 degree angle, we an just put a pole every 60-70 or so meters with two sectors

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:28 PM

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Tell that to my neighbors

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:29 PM

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@rocky badge KEKW

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I have no overlapping channels here

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there's three APs here in total on 2.4

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:29 PM

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Not much traffic lol

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Haven't been home 👀

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:30 PM

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there's at most like 5 clients here

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not very dense

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but the place I will be deploying wireless in, is gonna be busy

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:30 PM

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HaHaa

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:31 PM

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Nest

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:32 PM

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Easy for parents

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If it was my house it would be Axis

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Or LTS

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:33 PM

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I wanna set up a thermostat where instead of a heater, it spins up a few bitcoin mining rigs xD

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:33 PM

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ez

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one taketh 1 stm32 microcontroller and an spi ethernet adapter, an NTC and a resistor and hook them up to the adc

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and like less than 50 lines of C code

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to make a little web api

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webserver with a temperature sensor.

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:35 PM

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or use a raspberry pi that I already have sitting around

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then hook into a web api to trigger the miner

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:35 PM

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raspberry pi gpio doesnt have an ADC

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its only digital

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:35 PM

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they make thermometer attachments though

umbral ruin Mar 17, 2021, 5:36 PM

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I broke my Raspberry pi

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:36 PM

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@honest wind all that is, is an NTC or rather, a resistor with a resistance that changes due to temperature

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and an ADC turns analog voltage into a digital value

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:36 PM

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I sent 12v through the 5v gpio and that's how I broke my pi HaHaa

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:36 PM

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isn't that all I need? end goal is to know the general temperature

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:36 PM

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It started smoking

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:36 PM

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@honest wind another easy way would be

umbral ruin Mar 17, 2021, 5:36 PM

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Mine melted

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:36 PM

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yikes good job. My cat broke my pi once

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 5:37 PM

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Tasty warm pie

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:37 PM

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@honest wind buying one of those breakout boards with one of those integrated circuits

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:37 PM

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I got it on video too

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:37 PM

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they measure humidity temperature and atmospheric pressure

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:37 PM

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I do want to build a weather station w/ an rpi and have it update live stats to a website

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:37 PM

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usually they have an i2c interface

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4 wires

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@honest wind I've done this on an arduino lol

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with ethernet

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wrote a minimalist HTTP webserver

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with like less than 40 lines of code

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it was basically was just a tcp socket

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:38 PM

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temperature, wind speed, wind direction, rain?

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got code / hardware list you used?

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:39 PM

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this was from a school project lol

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but sure lemme dig

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its quite messy in some places :P

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limited program memory

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makes you pull some strange tricks

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:39 PM

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lol yeah

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might be worth revisiting and making cleaner

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also work on solar + 4G to report back to a main website

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:40 PM

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@honest wind have you done microcontroller programming before?

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electronics aside, its all very simple

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:40 PM

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very little but i'm familiar

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:41 PM

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and most of the time you can find examples for how to wire something up

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I suck at designing my own circuits

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:41 PM

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I've actually wanted to play with freertos a bit, but haven't had a use case to play with

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the most experience i've had is doing stuff like neopixels on an rpi

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but that's not really microcontroller

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I have an arduino, i've done some neopixels w/ that but super basic stuff

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:42 PM

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@honest wind yeah you can buy err

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ENC28J60 breakout boards

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8 euros for me

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:43 PM

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why would I need one?

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:43 PM

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https://stak.com/ENC28J60_Ethernet_Breakout_Board_for_use_with_Microcontrollers

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@honest wind its your own smart home device

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it can do ethernet

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and do hardware stuff like read sensors

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with an arduino

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these use SPI

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:44 PM

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ah I see ok. Could play around with that

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:44 PM

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that's an interface on the arduino

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https://www.arduino.cc/en/reference/SPI

Arduino - SPI

Open-source electronic prototyping platform enabling users to create interactive electronic objects.

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:44 PM

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I'd hvae to learn the code to interface w/ ethernet on arduino though

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:45 PM

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@honest wind you can use the arduino library for that

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that's what I did xD

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you just import Ethernet.h

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:45 PM

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my biggest want is a weather station for a model airplane field

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that can upload the weather stats to their website

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 5:45 PM

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I got arduino to do HTTP post requests

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:45 PM

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ok laptop is up

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:45 PM

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all the graphs / analytics can be done on that

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:45 PM

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hold on

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//Establishes a TCP connection to the gateway, and makes a POST request with the data contained.
void send_data() {
  EthernetClient client;
  if (!client.connect(gateway, gateway_port)) {
    Serial.println("Failed to connect to gateway");
    return;
  }
  Serial.println("Connected to gateway");

  client.println(F("POST /api/weather HTTP/1.0"));
  client.println(F("Content-Type: application/json"));
  client.println(F("Connection: Close"));
  String temp = String(weather_temperature());
  String lux = String(weather_lux());
  String device = F(DEVICE_NAME);
  client.print(s_content_length);
  client.print(": ");
  client.println(String(39 + temp.length() + lux.length() + device.length()));
  client.println();

  client.print("{\"Celcius\":");
  client.print(temp);
  client.print(",\"Illuminance\":");
  client.print(lux);
  client.print(",\"Device\":\"");
  client.print(device);
  client.println("\"}");

  //Wait until response is incoming, then close connection, rest of the bytes don't matter.
  while (client.connected()) {
    if (client.available()) {
      client.read();
      client.stop();
    }
  }
}

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its just TCP ?

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not that complicated

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:47 PM

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ethernetclient is super easy then nice

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:47 PM

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there's also ethernet server

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this project had an active push

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:47 PM

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how would you swap between listening and sending? Does this have a concept of threading?

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:47 PM

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but you could also fetch from it

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@honest wind interrupts

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:47 PM

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but no concurrency

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:47 PM

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nope

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its 16Mhz microprocessor lol

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:48 PM

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which brings me to wanting to play with freeRTOS 😄

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:48 PM

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you use interrupts

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:48 PM

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still interrupts but it can do concurrency

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:48 PM

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@honest wind core loop:

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//Timeout handler for sending data
void handleSend() {
  if ((millis() - time_send) > SEND_TIMEOUT) {
    time_send = millis();
    send_data();
  }
}

//Core loop function.
void loop() {
  handleWebservice();
  handleLights();
  handleSend();
}

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back then I sucked at documenting and overdid it

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now I only document complicated methods and functions

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but teachers like seeing documentation

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so why not xD

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:50 PM

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there's some complexities when it comes to building windspeed and direction though especially when it can freeze

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:50 PM

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📎 message.txt

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^

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parsing the entire http request

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its basically just a decision tree with only a happy flow in mind

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:50 PM

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the webserver / REST server is easy I can do that in python

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:51 PM

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and a bunch of stringcompares

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to whatever is on each line

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HTTP is very simple

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:51 PM

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yep

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:51 PM

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if you only need a couple GET's

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you just write your code to be "functional" with a simple GET /temp HTTP/1.1\r\nHost: 192.168.88.100\r\n\r\n

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:52 PM

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so what hardware did you have? the arduino obviously but what for the sensors?

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:52 PM

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^ that's literally it ^

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:52 PM

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i'm not too worried about the code part 😛

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:52 PM

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that's an entire HTTP GET

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xD

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@honest wind that ethernet shield I linked to you

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:53 PM

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that's to get internet I thought

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but what about temperature / windspeed / wind direction

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:53 PM

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/*
 * HTTP Definitions. This header defines the absolute base for interpreting HTTP requests.
 */
#ifndef HTTP_H
#define HTTP_H

#include <Arduino.h>
#include <Ethernet.h>

#define SP " "
#define CRLF "\r\n"
//Arduino device constraints. We don't need more than 128 characters per line, as our requests are mostly tiny.
#define BUFFER_SIZE 128
#define MAX_HEADER_LINES 15

//GET and POST, no other methds are needed for a minimal implementation.
typedef enum {GET, POST} Method;

//Support both HTTP 1.1 and 1.0, however server itself will always reply using 1.0, hostnames are not important in this context.
typedef enum { HTTP_1, HTTP_1_1 } HttpVersion;

//Base structure for an incoming request. Holds method, version and uri. 
//If the request is of type Method::POST, then content_length will encapsulate the value of the request-header 'Content-Length'
typedef struct Request {
  Method method;
  HttpVersion version;
  String uri;
  int content_length;
} Request;

/**
 * Fetches a single line from a connected client.
 * The fetched bytes are placed in the result parameter. 
 * The size specifies the limit of the length of a single line. 
 */
int fetchLine(EthernetClient client, char * result, int size);

/**
 * Parses an HTTP request from a connected client and sets the members in the request parameter.
 * Method returns the ammount of bytes that have been read, or if buffer was exceeded it will return -1.
 */
int parseRequest(EthernetClient client, Request & request);

#endif

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@honest wind oh uhhhh

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analog.

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//Gets the current temperature.
float weather_temperature() {
  float average = sample_average(PIN_THERMISTOR);

  // convert the value to resistance
  average = 1023 / average - 1;
  average = SERIES_RESISTOR / average;

  float steinhart;
  steinhart = average / THERMISTOR_NOMINAL;     // (R/Ro)
  steinhart = log(steinhart);                  // ln(R/Ro)
  steinhart /= BETA_COEFFICIENT;                   // 1/B * ln(R/Ro)
  steinhart += 1.0 / (TEMPERATURE_NOMINAL + 273.15); // + (1/To)
  steinhart = 1.0 / steinhart;                 // Invert
  steinhart -= 273.15;
  return steinhart;
}

//Gets the current illuminance
float weather_lux() {
  float average = sample_average(PIN_PHOTORESISTOR);
  average = 1023 / average - 1;
  average = SERIES_RESISTOR / average;
  return average;
}

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bunch of constants depending on the sensor type you have

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and the math behind this

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I just found online xD

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I don't have any sources to this, as these were given to us

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I did write the code, they just had the algorithm on paper

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https://www.skyeinstruments.com/wp-content/uploads/Steinhart-Hart-Eqn-for-10k-Thermistors.pdf

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https://i.imgur.com/QD0v5Z5.png

Imgur

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:59 PM

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https://alanbmitchell.wordpress.com/2011/10/02/operate-arduino-for-year-from-batteries/#:~:text=The Arduino Uno board draws,board is therefore 0.29 Watts.

Alan Mitchell

Alan

Operating an Arduino for a Year from Batteries

The Arduino platform is a great product for producing a custom data collection system or controller. Programming is easy via a high-level language and a simple USB connection to the Arduino board.…

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pssh who needs solar panels

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xDD

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 5:59 PM

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@honest wind if you use an stm32

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you can squeeze 3-5 years out of a single 18650

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those things use microamps when on

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and nanoamps when idle

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 5:59 PM

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😄

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brb

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btw sent you a /f request

tender hazel Mar 17, 2021, 6:20 PM

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@tame carbon you misspelled Celsius

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 6:20 PM

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BEANCOUNTER

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caps*

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Im a programmer not a linguist

tender hazel Mar 17, 2021, 6:22 PM

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rocky badge Tell that to my neighbors

Your neighbors are probably using the router defaults.. a lot of routers default to 40MHz on 2.4GHz, which makes very little sense because if there any more APs in the area you will start to interfere and get lower performance.. same with use of channels other than 1, 6 and 11.. Someone sitting on one of the channels in between just ends up causing interference on two of the three usable bands.. 2.4ghz would work a lot better if the devices would play nice and use 20MHz channels by default and not use channels besides 1, 6 and 11

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 6:23 PM

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probably ¯_(ツ)_/¯

tender hazel Mar 17, 2021, 6:24 PM

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using 2.4ghz channels other than 1, 6 and 11 makes me think of people who drive in the middle of two lanes on a highway

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 6:24 PM

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Most of the 2.4ghz clients are IoT so idgaf https://blob.rocks/G1dCiegN2R.png

tender hazel Mar 17, 2021, 6:26 PM

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holy crap that's a lot

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 6:26 PM

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not really lol

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only 18 wifi clients

tender hazel Mar 17, 2021, 6:27 PM

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I guess it is only three APs

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but downstairs core switch #50? you have 49 other switches at home?

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 6:27 PM

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Port 50

tender hazel Mar 17, 2021, 6:27 PM

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oh ok

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that makes more sense

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routeros 7.1 beta 5: added new "iot" package with initial Bluetooth (KNOT only) and MQTT publisher support;

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 6:29 PM

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At max we should have ~28 WiFi clients

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For inventoried devices

tender hazel Mar 17, 2021, 6:29 PM

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can anybody explain what that means? I don't know much about IoT

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 6:30 PM

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MQTT is a messaging protocol, usually used by IoT

tender hazel Mar 17, 2021, 6:30 PM

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like I have a few managed wifi light switches that I guess are IoT but I don't know what bluetooth and MQTT have to do with that

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 6:30 PM

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clients can subscribe to topics

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pub/sub messaging

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you can do MQTT over Bluetooth ig, since MQTT is just over tcp/ip

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~~I hate IoT over bluetooth though~~

tender hazel Mar 17, 2021, 6:33 PM

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in my case I have these tp-link kasa smart plugs

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 6:33 PM

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ZWave or IP based pls

tender hazel Mar 17, 2021, 6:33 PM

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they connect over wifi and are managed by my google home

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I can turn the lights on and off with voice commands

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 6:33 PM

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IP based preferred tho 😂

tender hazel Mar 17, 2021, 6:34 PM

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so I am wondering in that case what the new RouterOS IoT package would do for me

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 6:34 PM

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I just control IoT from Home Assistant

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 6:40 PM

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tender hazel Your neighbors are probably using the router defaults.. a lot of routers default...

with enough juice on the transmitter you can use all the channels.

tender hazel Mar 17, 2021, 6:41 PM

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that's only true if you have enough on both sides

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and if you are linking mobile devices you usually cannot do anything with the device's transmitter

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 6:41 PM

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hour ago outside my window

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thousands of starlings

tender hazel Mar 17, 2021, 6:45 PM

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wow that's a lot

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reminds me of hitchcock's the birds

untold elbow Mar 17, 2021, 6:49 PM

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starlings are the worst

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 6:49 PM

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beautiful birds

untold elbow Mar 17, 2021, 6:50 PM

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the flocks are cool to watch, but they're an invasive species here in the states and wreak havoc on farmland

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 6:50 PM

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silly humans

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who says its their land

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 6:50 PM

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did someone say bird?

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(no I didn't take that picture, someone sent it to me)

untold elbow Mar 17, 2021, 6:51 PM

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ugh censored

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starlings are non-native to the US, they were released in central park in the 1800s by someone who wanted to introduce all bird species mentioned in shakespeare's works into the US

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 6:53 PM

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lawl

untold elbow Mar 17, 2021, 6:53 PM

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so now we have billions of starlings pushing out native bird species

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source for the above-- http://nyis.info/invasive_species/european-starling/

New York Invasive Species Information

admin

European Starling

tender hazel Mar 17, 2021, 6:54 PM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Schieffelin

Eugene Schieffelin

Eugene Schieffelin (January 29, 1827 – August 15, 1906) was an American amateur ornithologist who belonged to the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society and the New York Zoological Society. He was responsible for introducing the European starling (Sturnus vulgaris) to North America.

untold elbow Mar 17, 2021, 6:54 PM

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yep

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that jerkwad

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 6:55 PM

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americans are an invasive species too

untold elbow Mar 17, 2021, 6:55 PM

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yeah but we get to define "invasive species"

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 6:55 PM

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so are europeans. or humans in general

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 6:55 PM

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who brought them over?

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@honest wind we migrated from the plains to the wetlands

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and for generations we all fought eachother

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over things

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 6:56 PM

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"we" meaning americans?

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cause yeah true

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 6:57 PM

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we is humanity

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most of human history is hunter & gatherer societies

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@honest wind btw. https://www.circuitbasics.com/arduino-thermistor-temperature-sensor-tutorial/

Circuit Basics

Scott Campbell

Make an Arduino Temperature Sensor (Thermistor Tutorial)

Learn how to use an analog thermistor to measure temperature on the Arduino. Output readings to an LCD or the serial monitor in Celsius or Fahrenheit.

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there's loads of tutorials for this

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but reading a sensor and doing some maths is trivial

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the ethernet stuff is more involved

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 7:00 PM

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Temp i'm not worried about, hardest one I think is wind speed / direction

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dealing with rain / ice / snow

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 7:01 PM

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wind speed isnt that hard

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 7:01 PM

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finding a cheap reliable anenometer

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 7:01 PM

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wind speed sensors are just a shaft with a magnet on them that spins

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the case around the shaft has a reed relay

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reed relays switch when you apply a magnetic field

honest wind Mar 17, 2021, 7:02 PM

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i'm familiar with how they work

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i'd rather not build one though, I just wanna buy one that's cheap but won't freeze up

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 7:04 PM

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they cost around 50-60 bucks

tall pagoda Mar 17, 2021, 7:08 PM

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tame carbon thousands of starlings

Staring. Is a school in Lochem

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 7:10 PM

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@tall pagoda Spreeuw.

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tall pagoda Mar 17, 2021, 7:18 PM

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So not this 🤔

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 7:19 PM

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not even spelled the same

tall pagoda Mar 17, 2021, 7:22 PM

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tame carbon not even spelled the same

is misses a L

waxen scroll Mar 17, 2021, 8:15 PM

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@rocky badge i need shelly advice :3

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 8:15 PM

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lol

waxen scroll Mar 17, 2021, 8:15 PM

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have you used it in web mode? no MQTT.

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for some stupid reason the dev of the HA shelly integration coded it so that it uses UDP for polling and the sensitivity of the device going offline is one packet lost. it goes offline until next polling which can be 30sec or so

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they like to drop packets at random. sometimes its fine all day, another day it might do it 7 times

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@hollow marlin UDP. One Packet Lost. 👏

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it gets better... so to send commands to the shelly it does TCP

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like wtf

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just use tcp for polling idiots

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so anyway should i flash 3rd party firmware on it just incase its a firmware issue, or should i switch to mqtt?

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i'd rather not add more complexity so heh

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how weird is it that theres even a pattern formed

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I have many other shellys being stable during this, so its not like my whole network is dying

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 8:46 PM

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waxen scroll <@!462711605063450628> UDP. One Packet Lost. 👏

One UDP lost = outage.... I cannot see how that would ever be a problem

waxen scroll Mar 17, 2021, 8:47 PM

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i have a ticket open with them asking why it doesnt respond. they been quiet after asking me to remove the DNS server and not fixing it

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i see it go out the AP but I have no visibility after that

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 8:50 PM

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Whats the pattern between all the devices, curious to see what might be the issue

waxen scroll Mar 17, 2021, 8:52 PM

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this is 8hr and look for grey lines

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i can tell you the ones that look stable do go unstable

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just didnt happen today

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16983 2021-03-15 15:08:15.005624 192.168.10.9 192.168.11.42 CoAP 53 NON, MID:10, GET, /cit/s

(reply, correctly marked off)
17037 2021-03-15 15:09:06.004471 192.168.10.9 192.168.11.42 CoAP 53 NON, MID:10, GET, /cit/s
17038 2021-03-15 15:09:06.011582 192.168.11.42 192.168.10.9 CoAP 260 NON, MID:10, 2.05 Content, /cit/s```

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example of the issue

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10.9 is my controller

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 8:56 PM

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Is that HA

waxen scroll Mar 17, 2021, 8:56 PM

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yes

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 8:56 PM

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nice

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one of my teachers is playing around with HA & Shelly

waxen scroll Mar 17, 2021, 8:57 PM

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heres an HA example log

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 8:57 PM

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My HA history won't load 🤣

waxen scroll Mar 17, 2021, 8:57 PM

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if it becomes unavailable HA drops it as an entity and you cant control it

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 8:57 PM

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It might be that I have so much shit

waxen scroll Mar 17, 2021, 8:58 PM

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i upgraded to HA blue

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been nicer than a Pi

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 8:58 PM

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Mine's in a VM lol

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on my R620

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With separate DB that isn't sqlite

waxen scroll Mar 17, 2021, 8:59 PM

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this thing is basically 100% automated, i dont need to login for any reason. but that all the more reason this is an issue

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if it goes unavailable the automation isnt going to keep trying

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i think MQTT isnt a poller and the shelly reports if a change occurs right? so maybe thats what I need to switch to

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 9:00 PM

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yeah mqtt isn't polling

waxen scroll Mar 17, 2021, 9:02 PM

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i dont wanna make a github just to complain about it

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https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/45892

GitHub

Shelly devices become unavailable for few seconds · Issue #45892 · ...

The problem Issue #43432 is not being solved for me. The Shelly devices becomes unavailable for a few seconds, even after the latest changes that should have fixed the issue. My setup: Home Assista...

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someone did but they're looking in the wrong place

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nobody packet captured in this thread

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 9:54 PM

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waxen scroll

Sorry I had to go pick up the little one, whats the time between that cluster of 8 grey bars? Looks similar to 2 of the bars on the top graph.

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 10:01 PM

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ultimate backup supply:

Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator_plutonium_pellet.png

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63 watts

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24/7

tender hazel Mar 17, 2021, 10:04 PM

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what the hell is that

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 10:05 PM

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tender hazel what the hell is that

plutonium

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used on rtg's

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powers voyager's, curiosity class rovers (which includes perseverence) and more

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K79IwXzGBKk

YouTube

IdahoNationalLab

Prepping the Perseverance Power Source

▶ Play video

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 10:06 PM

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They are also used as backup power for communication systems

peak cloak Mar 17, 2021, 10:06 PM

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really?

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lol

tame carbon Mar 17, 2021, 10:06 PM

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military and government emergency systems

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@peak cloak https://bellona.org/news/nuclear-issues/radioactive-waste-and-spent-nuclear-fuel/2015-11-foreign-funds-have-almost-entirely-rid-russia-of-orphaned-radioactive-power-generators

Bellona.org

Foreign funds have almost entirely rid Russia of orphaned radioacti...

Russia has almost entirely rid itself of more than 1,000 small radioactive power sources that have for nearly half a century powered …

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It doesnt explicitly say communication systems

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but you can be sure they use them for that purpose too

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problem is that lot of these things were in lighthouses from long time ago

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people started removing these

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and they ended up at junkyards

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nobody knew what they were

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and took them appart

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and if there's one thing you never do..

hollow marlin Mar 17, 2021, 10:57 PM

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Also speaking of MQTT and Shelly and power, I think its time I ordered the Shelly EM for mains data collection. I set up node red and influx a few weeks ago to test with Grafana, and just need to setup the broker.

waxen scroll Mar 17, 2021, 10:59 PM

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hollow marlin Sorry I had to go pick up the little one, whats the time between that cluster of...

~60sec

waxen scroll Mar 17, 2021, 11:32 PM

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@hollow marlin other than this issue this is way better than zwave stuff

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the response time is pretty good

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LED controllers are half the cost of zwave

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 11:46 PM

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how da fuck do i have 20gb of snmp traffic

tender hazel Mar 17, 2021, 11:53 PM

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you have SNMP listening to the outside world by mistake?

rocky badge Mar 17, 2021, 11:57 PM

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no

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internal snmp traffic

waxen scroll Mar 17, 2021, 11:59 PM

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@rocky badge what wires did you use to put into the shelly serial

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i dont have any that size on hand

rocky badge Mar 18, 2021, 12:00 AM

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uh

waxen scroll Mar 18, 2021, 12:02 AM

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its stupid they used a tiny socket instead of standard pins like everyone else

twin laurel Mar 18, 2021, 4:14 AM

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Can I install 2 routers on same modem?

thick minnow Mar 18, 2021, 4:37 AM

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What's a good ISP in the us

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 7:43 AM

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they all suck lol

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anyways i'm still stuck on configuring this cisco ASA 5505 firewall

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 7:45 AM

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hollow marlin <@!224256327944241152> ```(config)# object network nat-inside-lan (config-netwo...

how would i get to configure the network object again?

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i'm afraid juan is in another timezone and therefore asleep

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can anyone else help? i know that most people would prefer to never touch cisco ever but well, i gotta for my internship

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 10:51 AM

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@late geyser most people go through weeks of training before using them

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 10:52 AM

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i just need it to work is all, then i can hopefully move onto the next task

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 11:03 AM

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you should be able to either ssh or telnet into the thing to get to the command line based configuration

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:04 AM

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i mean yeah i'm connecting to it via serial

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i have configured a few things already

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but i need to know how to configure NAT

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that's afaik what i'm stuck on now

static knoll Mar 18, 2021, 11:06 AM

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late geyser but i need to know how to configure NAT

NAT sucks butt

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:07 AM

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i know

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but how else would i get it to work as a separate router from the company's

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again, internship

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 11:19 AM

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@late geyser ditch the ASA

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buy a mikrotik kek

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:19 AM

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oh man if only i could

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sadly i have to do it on the ASA

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 11:20 AM

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@late geyser can;t you ask your coworker how to set up NAT on this?

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I mean, I used my internship to learn from others

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:20 AM

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technically not, but i'll see

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 11:20 AM

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@late geyser from a company's perspective

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you wasting 2 days on this, is a loss of money

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thats why co-workers help eachother out.

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:21 AM

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i mean this is for my own "domain" so to say

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i have a laptop, workstation, 2 switches and a router that need access to the internet, as well as communicate with each other

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 11:22 AM

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https://www.routerfreak.com/basic-configuration-tutorial-cisco-asa-5505-firewall/

RouterFreak

Cisco ASA 5505 Configuration: 6-Steps Easy Tutorial - RouterFreak

Cisco ASA 5505 configuration for connecting a small network to the Internet. Learn the six basic configuration steps needed to set up the firewall.

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:23 AM

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i don't know the default gateway

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 11:23 AM

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@tender hazel I forgot to ask you the other day, but are there any license requirements for certain wireless products?

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I saw on the mikrotik website some requirement for 60GHz gear

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 11:24 AM

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there is no license requirement for 60GHz

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:24 AM

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the router has to acquire all the necessary data through the "isp's" DHCP server

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 11:24 AM

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but yes some wireless products have license requirements

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 11:24 AM

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I assume LTE basestations and such?

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 11:25 AM

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@late geyser this includes a DHCP example: http://www.firewall.cx/forums/10-firewall-filtering-idsips-a-security/32041-howto-basic-asa-5505-configuration.html

HowTo: Basic ASA 5505 configuration

Basic ASA (5505) configuration NOTE From The Administrator: Basic and Advanced ASA5505, 5510, 5520, 5540 Setup and configuration is covered in great depth in...

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google is your friend

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@tame carbon yes you need licenses for LTE

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that's one example

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 11:25 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/h1LSbb7.png

Imgur

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 11:25 AM

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the other frequency that mikrotik uses is the 6ghz

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:25 AM

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man that link does NOT like mobile lmao

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i'm on break rn anyways

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 11:25 AM

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yes

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the dynadish 6

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 11:26 AM

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Backhaul?

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6GHz would be nice, cus it doesnt interfere with other devices

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but as mere mortal I cannot purchase this ?

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 11:26 AM

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you would need to license the spectrum

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 11:26 AM

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well its germany

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so I know that's not gonna happen

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paper pushing costs on that alone are not worth the effort

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bureaucrats

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 11:27 AM

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60GHz is the way to go for backhaul if the distance isn't too long

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 11:28 AM

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Reading... https://i.imgur.com/sZsjcW5.png

Imgur

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6Ghz is only permitted for point to point

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and you need to file a permit

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@tender hazel do I have to do channel allocation on 5GHz like with 2.4GHz ?

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or is 5GHz wide enough, to not warrant manual channel config?

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 11:31 AM

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yes you should do channel allocation on 5GHz

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the problem with auto channel is that the algorithm to select the best channel is not very good

clear igloo Mar 18, 2021, 11:32 AM

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late geyser sadly i have to do it on the ASA

What do you need to do on the ASA?

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 11:32 AM

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it counts the quantity of APs on a given frequency and only takes into account the quantity

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and not the signal

clear igloo Mar 18, 2021, 11:32 AM

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And what model? 5505?

peak cloak Mar 18, 2021, 11:33 AM

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clear igloo What do you need to do on the ASA?

Setup a typical home router config, one ip by dhcp and nat it to multiple private ips on lan

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:33 AM

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clear igloo What do you need to do on the ASA?

it needs to function as a router. it need s an internet connection without fucking with the company's network

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:33 AM

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peak cloak Setup a typical home router config, one ip by dhcp and nat it to multiple privat...

aka this yeah

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:33 AM

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clear igloo And what model? 5505?

yes

clear igloo Mar 18, 2021, 11:33 AM

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Ah, 5505 sucks since it's "different" than the other models

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Let me get you a config 🙂

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:33 AM

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oh my god why is cisco like that

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 11:33 AM

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you can have situations where you have a frequency that only has one AP on it but it is very close and strong, and another frequency that has three APs and they are all far away, almost outside of the range of detection, and the auto frequency will choose the channel that has the one AP on it that has more interference

clear igloo Mar 18, 2021, 11:33 AM

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The 5505 was supposed to be a soho device so it supports VLANs differently

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:34 AM

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i have already set up DHCP on the inside network

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just need NAT i think?

clear igloo Mar 18, 2021, 11:34 AM

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and dhcp on the outside?

clear igloo Mar 18, 2021, 11:34 AM

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late geyser i have already set up DHCP on the inside network

What version of code? 9.x?

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:34 AM

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that has to be figured out by the DHCP server of the company right?

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:34 AM

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clear igloo What version of code? 9.x?

8.2

clear igloo Mar 18, 2021, 11:35 AM

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OOOF, that's an old boy, ok I'll make sure I tailor it for that 🙂

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:35 AM

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thanks

peak cloak Mar 18, 2021, 11:35 AM

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late geyser that has to be figured out by the DHCP server of the company right?

well you need to set it up so the router acts as a dhcp client on that interface

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:35 AM

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peak cloak well you need to set it up so the router acts as a dhcp client on that interface

ah, and how do i do that?

peak cloak Mar 18, 2021, 11:36 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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no clue on cisco

clear igloo Mar 18, 2021, 11:36 AM

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interface (blah)
ip address dhcp

peak cloak Mar 18, 2021, 11:36 AM

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makes sense

clear igloo Mar 18, 2021, 11:36 AM

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but 8.2 to 9.x changed a lot of stuff so I could be off on that

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:37 AM

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i think they changed a bunch on 8.3

clear igloo Mar 18, 2021, 11:37 AM

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Yah, that sounds about right and then that carried into the 9.x code probably

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:37 AM

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i read up on how global has been made obsolete or something

clear igloo Mar 18, 2021, 11:39 AM

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Yah, now it's simpler

object network obj_any
 subnet 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0
 nat (inside,outside) dynamic interface

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:39 AM

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that's in a config file right?

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i want to do it through the terminal

clear igloo Mar 18, 2021, 11:40 AM

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Yah, that's for 8.3 and up

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:40 AM

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so i just need the commands

clear igloo Mar 18, 2021, 11:40 AM

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Still making sure 8.2 works

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:40 AM

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sounds fair

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but yeah i'm gonna list what i have done so far

clear igloo Mar 18, 2021, 11:41 AM

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conf t
 nat (inside) 1 0 0
 global (outside) 1 interface

That should be it for any any to interface outside nat
I don't have a 5505 to test with though to make sure the commands take

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 11:41 AM

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@tender hazel but since I have more channels on 5GHz, I can use wider channels right?

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 11:41 AM

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yes you can use wider channels

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:42 AM

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enable config t dhcpd address 192.168.1.100-192.168.1.227 dhcpd dns 1.1.1.1 1.0.0.1 dhcpd lease 5400 dhcpd enable inside hostname Router write object network nat-inside

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uh, no clue how to do the full box

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 11:42 AM

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late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:42 AM

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but yeah those are the commands i've used so far

clear igloo Mar 18, 2021, 11:43 AM

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'show run' should dump the full config

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 11:43 AM

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depending on your region you may have 5 choices for 80mhz channel

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the 80mhz band that is channel 122 is used for weather radar and is not usable

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it is good to look at the table here

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels#4.9–5.0_GHz_(802.11j)_WLAN

List of WLAN channels

WLAN (wireless local area network) channels are frequently accessed using IEEE 802.11 protocols, and equipment that does so is sold mostly under the trademark Wi-Fi. Other equipment also accesses the same channels, such as Bluetooth. The radio frequency (RF) spectrum is vital for wireless communications infrastructure.
The 802.11 standard provid...

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 11:46 AM

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KEKW give a raccoon some cotton candy

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 11:46 AM

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germany will have different rules than canada and the US when it comes to the channels

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 11:46 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfbb4yRBH64

YouTube

Animal Terrain

Racoon Gets Sad when His Cotton Candy Dissolves in Water

The raccoon tries to wash his cotton candy, but finds it dissolves in water instantly. He learns, and finally eats the candy.

▶ Play video

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:46 AM

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clear igloo 'show run' should dump the full config

📎 config_dump.txt

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i'm not using the laptop i'm typing on rn as the one with access to the terminal

clear igloo Mar 18, 2021, 11:47 AM

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late geyser

Cool, that all looks good

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:47 AM

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hence the .txt

clear igloo Mar 18, 2021, 11:47 AM

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Whatever is connected to Eth0/0 should have vlan 2 configured as well and you should be good

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:47 AM

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eth0/0 is not connected yet

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 11:47 AM

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@tender hazel so ch42 for 80Mhz would cover 36-48 ?

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:47 AM

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have to configure before connecting

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 11:48 AM

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"Germany requires DFS and TPC capabilities on 5.250–5.350 GHz and 5.470–5.725 GHz as well; in addition, the frequency range 5.150–5.350 GHz is allowed only for indoor use, leaving only 5.470–5.725 GHz for outdoor and indoor use."

clear igloo Mar 18, 2021, 11:48 AM

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late geyser have to configure before connecting

Fair enough, so long as the end device is configured for VLAN 2 then you should be fine to receive a DHCP address there from the ISP

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:48 AM

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clear igloo Whatever is connected to Eth0/0 should have vlan 2 configured as well and you sh...

also i'm just connecting it to a wall outlet

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ethernet wall outlet i mean

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of the company

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 11:49 AM

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@tender hazel what does that DFS and TPC do again?

clear igloo Mar 18, 2021, 11:49 AM

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late geyser ethernet wall outlet i mean

Doh, I forgot, access vlan 2 is fine, no need for anything on the other side. I was thinking trunk for a moment

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:49 AM

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so

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it should be fine?

clear igloo Mar 18, 2021, 11:49 AM

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Yes

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:49 AM

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i haven't done the commands for NAT yet though

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should i do those first or was it fine from default?

clear igloo Mar 18, 2021, 11:49 AM

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global (outside) 1 interface
nat (inside) 1 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0

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Those are already there

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 11:50 AM

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tame carbon <@!530075635423510548> what does that DFS and TPC do again?

DFS is short for dynamic frequency selection.. it is a standard that certain frequencies that may interfere with doppler weather radar should change their frequency to another (or stop transmitting) when they detect a weather radar on that frequency

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when you are on a DFS frequency it is typically decreased power to lower the chances of causing interference with weather radar

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 11:51 AM

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okay but you can still use those channels then?

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or is it better to find another, where you can use more gain?

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 11:51 AM

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it depends on the application

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if you have devices far away that need the gain you'll want to avoid DFS

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 11:52 AM

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that doesnt leave a lot of channels open

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 11:53 AM

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no, if you need high gain outdoor 5ghz you are back to not having a lot of available channels

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 11:53 AM

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why dont these weather people use a diff frequency

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 11:53 AM

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it is only 5ghz in general that has a lot more channels than 2.4ghz

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 11:53 AM

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this is rediculous

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consumers get left with nothing

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 11:54 AM

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I'm sure the weather people ask why the wifi people don't use a different frequency 🙂

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 11:54 AM

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where the fuck do these weather people put these antennas?

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or is it overhead sattelites?

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:55 AM

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@clear igloo tbh, i'm not even sure if these things are the default value or not

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because i have to document what i've done so far

clear igloo Mar 18, 2021, 11:55 AM

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late geyser <@!291198741862416384> tbh, i'm not even sure if these things are the default va...

Ah, I don't believe those are default

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:55 AM

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hm

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 11:55 AM

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@tender hazel these SRD channels, is that the one I would need for high gain?

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 11:55 AM

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how would one set these with commands then?

clear igloo Mar 18, 2021, 11:56 AM

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Just like what I pasted earlier under config mode

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 11:58 AM

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only thing I remember from working with cisco devices

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 11:58 AM

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tame carbon <@!530075635423510548> these `SRD` channels, is that the one I would need for hi...

yes

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 11:58 AM

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copy running-config startup-config

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 11:58 AM

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the term SRD I was unfamiliar with, it is a european term but yes those are the high gain channels

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 11:59 AM

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tame carbon where the fuck do these weather people put these antennas?

they are at weather stations.. most airports have weather stations, and there are other places that often have them.. hydroelectric dams and other power plants, etc.

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 11:59 AM

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@tender hazel I'd assume I would use: https://i.imgur.com/Ckyw267.png

Imgur

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1 more channel

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@tender hazel if no DFS was detected? does that mean it can just use the channel with full gain?

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 12:00 PM

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no, even if no DFS is detected it is limited to about 70 or 80% of maximum power

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 12:00 PM

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@clear igloo what about the vlan interface settings?

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like vlan 1 and 2 have a nameif config name

clear igloo Mar 18, 2021, 12:00 PM

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late geyser <@!291198741862416384> what about the vlan interface settings?

VLAN 1 is default so that should be fine, if you do "show int ip bri" make sure they don't say admin down

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 12:00 PM

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and vlan 1 has an IP

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 12:00 PM

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@tender hazel but would picking three channels like I did in that screenshot, be enough?

clear igloo Mar 18, 2021, 12:01 PM

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late geyser and vlan 1 has an IP

That's not default, I think someone started to configure things BUT it might have been default long ago and I just don't remember

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 12:01 PM

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i did the configs

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 12:01 PM

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yes, three channels would probably be enough

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 12:01 PM

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i factory reset it when i started

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 12:01 PM

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Ican always grab a 4th if needed

late geyser Mar 18, 2021, 12:01 PM

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is it correct though?

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or should that ip be 192.168.1.0?

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 12:01 PM

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you have to be careful about your choices, I have seen some devices not like anything other than Ceee

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with the control channel at the bottom

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 12:02 PM

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@tender hazel wait. that Ceee

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means

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C = 20Mhz and three 'extension' channels each 20Mhz ?

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 12:02 PM

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yes

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 12:02 PM

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and eCee would mean, 20MHz to the left and 40MHz to the right?

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 12:03 PM

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yes, that's correct

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 12:03 PM

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Cool

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and what is XXXX ?

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 12:03 PM

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and typically when you enter the frequency you are entering the frequency in the middle of the control channel (C)

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 12:03 PM

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but I count 7x 20Mhz here https://i.imgur.com/8tyIaon.png

Imgur

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 12:03 PM

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so you wouldn't enter 5530 Ceee for instance, you would enter 5500 Ceee

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XXXX means it can choose Ceee, eCee, eeCe or eeeC depending on what seems best

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 12:04 PM

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so I could do ch106 XXXX ?

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and it would make its own choice?

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 12:04 PM

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the issue is that I have found that the mikrotik capsman on XXXX will sometimes choose something that most devices do not like

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had a device go on 5530 eCee which means the 80mhz channel is not where it shows on wikipedia

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macbooks could connect to the wifi without a problem but android devices could not connect

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 12:05 PM

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wtf is this?

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https://i.imgur.com/OE5cetU.png

Imgur

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160Mhz ?

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 12:05 PM

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yes, 160MHz

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I tried configuring that once and I couldn't get anything to connect to it

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 12:06 PM

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@tender hazel good to finally understand this.

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I hadnt the slightest clue about the Ceee stuff

zinc ember Mar 18, 2021, 12:08 PM

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Allo some one knows what kind of gpu i should get for transcoding i got a small home server

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I would like to be able to stream about 6 people same time

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 12:08 PM

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@tender hazel https://i.imgur.com/IEvxaqZ.png Cool

Imgur

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 12:09 PM

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tame carbon I hadnt the slightest clue about the Ceee stuff

yes it isn't really explained clearly anywhere

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 12:09 PM

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@zinc ember depending on your storage format, you may not need transcoding at all

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certain media formats can be streamed directly

zinc ember Mar 18, 2021, 12:10 PM

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Ok i got 3t off storage

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 12:10 PM

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if you crank the quality to maximum and use a streamable media format

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a server such as Plex can directly stream it to a client

tender hazel Mar 18, 2021, 12:11 PM

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I have found the XXXX is only safe to use on MikroTik when you are not hard setting the frequency, which is OK for the average person's home router

zinc ember Mar 18, 2021, 12:11 PM

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Ok but the load on cpu is full

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 12:11 PM

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@zinc ember a raspberry pi can stream 4k footage

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doesnt need a lot of cpu

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decoding is done by the client

zinc ember Mar 18, 2021, 12:12 PM

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Ok

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 12:12 PM

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the issue comes when your client doesnt support a given format

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then the server has to transcode it

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and that is a very expensive operation

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if you use h264 you can be safe for 1080p

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4k I would use h265

zinc ember Mar 18, 2021, 12:13 PM

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Ya it does transcode but i got no sound

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 12:14 PM

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MP4 container with H264/H265 encoding. And AAC for audio

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should be a way to have as little transcoding as possible

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From the plex site: https://i.imgur.com/32itP9N.png

Imgur

zinc ember Mar 18, 2021, 12:15 PM

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Ok mp4 would be the best way?

tame carbon Mar 18, 2021, 12:15 PM

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The only way

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@zinc ember if you have pirated media in MKV, you transcode it on your computer before you load it to plex

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you can use VLC for this, or ffmpeg directly

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I'm not suggesting to pirate media

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but pirated media often uses MKV format