#networking | Linus Tech Tips | Page 293

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 6:06 PM

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once you get in the high bandwidth territory, starting at 10G and up, fiber optics is more favorable

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and distance

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fiber optics have practically no distance limit

hollow marlin Mar 2, 2021, 6:07 PM

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Absolute limits seen to be 30m at 10g, wouldn't recommend for production, but it works

lone sun Mar 2, 2021, 6:07 PM

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Well if it works, it works. 🤷‍♂️

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 6:07 PM

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"works"

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it wont be a reliable experience though

hollow marlin Mar 2, 2021, 6:08 PM

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Yeah its rated for 1gig to account for overhead with interference, it can work at higher speeds but its just not certified.

hollow marlin Mar 2, 2021, 6:09 PM

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tame carbon it wont be a reliable experience though

AFAIK the "temporary" run at like 20-25m at my last workplace that was made has been rock solid. But as usual temporary actually mean permanent

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 6:09 PM

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no failed transmits?

lone sun Mar 2, 2021, 6:10 PM

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😅 Guess I've giving been people trying to use long Ethernet cables the right advice then to just go with cat 6.

hollow marlin Mar 2, 2021, 6:10 PM

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tame carbon no failed transmits?

Nope, was active for like 5 months before I left and not errors or flaps

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 6:10 PM

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must be some high grade copper wire

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though within rating, expected to run just fine

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I got fiber optics internally here, cheaper :P

lone sun Mar 2, 2021, 6:12 PM

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Lots of nerd jerkoffs on Linus website telling people ca5e is fine for long distance when its not even certified for it.

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 6:12 PM

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5e is cheap, its fine for 1G

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thats what most home users will be using

peak cloak Mar 2, 2021, 6:13 PM

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that's what I use

lone sun Mar 2, 2021, 6:13 PM

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But cat 6/6a is relatively cheap too. 🤷‍♂️ ...why not get one. 🙂 👍 👍

peak cloak Mar 2, 2021, 6:13 PM

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although I kinda regret it

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 6:13 PM

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cable runs beyond 100 meters, I would use something else

peak cloak Mar 2, 2021, 6:13 PM

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not getting 6

lone sun Mar 2, 2021, 6:14 PM

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But six 6 is an even number...has to be a good omen. 🤔

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 6:14 PM

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wat

little schooner Mar 2, 2021, 6:16 PM

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tame carbon 5e is cheap, its fine for 1G

I'd like 2.5G to be the new normal

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 6:17 PM

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none of my gear has support for it

little schooner Mar 2, 2021, 6:17 PM

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Could 5e still handle that you think

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 6:17 PM

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I think 2.5G is a gimmick

lone sun Mar 2, 2021, 6:19 PM

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I have a 2.5 gig port on my mobo. I already have a cat 6a cable, so all I'd need is that 2.5 gig modem from Comcast and I'd be all set. Its just a matter of the speeds I'd be willing to pay for. 😃 👍 👍

rustic quarry Mar 2, 2021, 6:19 PM

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tame carbon I think 2.5G is a gimmick

2.5G would be pretty handy to anyone with a NAS

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 6:19 PM

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@rustic quarry yeah but the price difference with 10G is so small, that you might as well use it instead

little schooner Mar 2, 2021, 6:20 PM

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Make a 2.5G, 5G, and 7.5G all in one NIC

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 6:20 PM

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those are even more expensive xD

little schooner Mar 2, 2021, 6:20 PM

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Awe

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 6:20 PM

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combo ports are quite pricy

peak cloak Mar 2, 2021, 6:21 PM

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2.5G is new, sfp+ has been around for a while so it's easier to get used gear

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 6:21 PM

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2.5G for RJ45 is new

rustic quarry Mar 2, 2021, 6:21 PM

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little schooner Make a 2.5G, 5G, and 7.5G all in one NIC

QNAP came out with a really inexpensive 2.5g switch somewhat recently

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 6:21 PM

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150 bucks ¯_(ツ)_/¯

little schooner Mar 2, 2021, 6:22 PM

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But what's the speed with an sfp+ copper module

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Is it anywhere near 10gbps

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On that switch

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 6:22 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/CMcSQux.png

Imgur

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that's a yes

little schooner Mar 2, 2021, 6:23 PM

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Even using an rj45?

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They don't say

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 6:23 PM

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its SFP+

little schooner Mar 2, 2021, 6:23 PM

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Aren't some worse than others

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The sfp+ modules

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 6:23 PM

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if you get a 10G RJ45 SFP+ module

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you get 10G Ethernet.

little schooner Mar 2, 2021, 6:24 PM

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hm

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 6:24 PM

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though fiber modules are cheaper than RJ45 10G ones

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they cost like 15 bucks instead of 50

little schooner Mar 2, 2021, 6:24 PM

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True

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But then I need to rerun cable to be fiber

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 6:24 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/387022787480387605/816273194234675240/20210115_104411.jpg

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Closet in the office

little schooner Mar 2, 2021, 6:25 PM

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Ultimately I want to move my whole net setup to the basement

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Right now it's in a 2nd floor bedroom

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Will be some work.

peak cloak Mar 2, 2021, 6:26 PM

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everything except my 2 distribution switches are in the basement

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and AP of course

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 6:27 PM

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@little schooner https://i.imgur.com/boRfd8f.png

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https://i.imgur.com/1SVJ02p.png

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would be same if you plugged in a 10G RJ45 module

lone sun Mar 2, 2021, 6:36 PM

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🤔 So how is the latency virtually the same between IPV6 and Ipv4 to the same destination even though Ipv6 has less hops. Its weird..🙃

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 6:37 PM

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v6 networks are generally simpler than v4

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they run the same gear

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possibly same links even

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but the software ontop, the routing and peering structure

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is different

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but that really depends on what ISP you have

lone sun Mar 2, 2021, 6:38 PM

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Well, I have comcast. Ipv6 will have three hops max while version 4 will have nine.

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I can imagine troubleshooting becoming a pain once they migrate totally over to ipv6 though with all the different types of addresses it uses. 😬

peak cloak Mar 2, 2021, 6:45 PM

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lone sun I can imagine troubleshooting becoming a pain once they migrate totally over to ...

you really don't like ipv6?

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ipv6 is great

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 6:46 PM

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too bad

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v6 is the standard.

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no amount of yappin will change that

lone sun Mar 2, 2021, 6:46 PM

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As long as I can still troubleshoot using ipv4. 😬

peak cloak Mar 2, 2021, 6:47 PM

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wdym?

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 6:47 PM

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wat

peak cloak Mar 2, 2021, 6:47 PM

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lone sun As long as I can still troubleshoot using ipv4. 😬

what's the big difference between 4 and 6 that makes you so angry?

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ping works the same

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just a lot more copy, paste

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 6:55 PM

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ping6 <ip>

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on windows ping -6 <ip>

lone sun Mar 2, 2021, 6:56 PM

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peak cloak just a lot more copy, paste

😬 Well, that right there. I had to read about the different addresses used in it. Its two different types just to route from within an organization and out towards the internet, what is called a "global" address. That on top of the already long ass essay you gotta type out would make it a pain. 🙃

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 6:56 PM

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there's no central point on the internet

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there's no 'global' highway

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ISPs peer with eachother

lone sun Mar 2, 2021, 6:58 PM

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So I can just use the "organizational" address to ping?

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 6:58 PM

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routers always have multiple addresses

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since they route between different networks

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@lone sun the way it currently works on the internet

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routers announce a prefix with BGP

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announcing to other routers, that they provide a route to a specific set of IP addresses

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Gateway_Protocol

Border Gateway Protocol

Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) is a standardized exterior gateway protocol designed to exchange routing and reachability information among autonomous systems (AS) on the Internet. BGP is classified as a path-vector routing protocol, and it makes routing decisions based on paths, network policies, or rule-sets configured by a network administrator...

peak cloak Mar 2, 2021, 7:01 PM

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lone sun 😬 Well, that right there. I had to read about the different addresses used in i...

ipv6 is different, you just gotta learn

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 7:01 PM

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BGP is on both v4 and v6

peak cloak Mar 2, 2021, 7:01 PM

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because every device gets a public ip (should)

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so there are is link-local for local communication

lone sun Mar 2, 2021, 7:02 PM

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🤔 Yeah, I remember BPG. They glossed over a lot of this stuff In the net+ course and only discussed ipv6 for like two pages.

peak cloak Mar 2, 2021, 7:02 PM

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every home should get at least a /64 block

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smallest routable subnet is /64

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usually ISPs give you a /56 from what I heard

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 7:03 PM

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or a /48

peak cloak Mar 2, 2021, 7:03 PM

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which is like a lot of /64

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let me google it rq

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 7:03 PM

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@peak cloak 2^n-1

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64-48 = 16

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65535

peak cloak Mar 2, 2021, 7:04 PM

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yep

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that's the number

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that ALOT of addresses

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no need for NAT

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 7:04 PM

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*subnets

peak cloak Mar 2, 2021, 7:04 PM

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yep

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65535 /64's

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 7:04 PM

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a /48 can hold 65535 /64's

peak cloak Mar 2, 2021, 7:05 PM

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each /64 has 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 addresses

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 7:05 PM

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IChooseKEKW

peak cloak Mar 2, 2021, 7:05 PM

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so yeah

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no need for NAT

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now, everyone switch to v6

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 7:05 PM

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I disabled it again xD

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stupid netflix

peak cloak Mar 2, 2021, 7:06 PM

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complain to your ISP for native v6

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I should too

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 7:06 PM

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@peak cloak they said they are preparing for it

peak cloak Mar 2, 2021, 7:06 PM

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good

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 7:06 PM

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they are currently busy building out FttH further

lone sun Mar 2, 2021, 7:06 PM

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So basically there would be no internet without bpg. 🤔

peak cloak Mar 2, 2021, 7:06 PM

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so is fios apparently

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 7:06 PM

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@lone sun exactly

peak cloak Mar 2, 2021, 7:06 PM

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well internet existed before bgp?

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right?

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there were other protocols for route advertising?

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 7:07 PM

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there are other protocols yeah

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https://i.imgur.com/epvBAjy.png

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fresh copper Mar 2, 2021, 7:07 PM

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They probably started with just static routes

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 7:07 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/uPzUNyD.png

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peak cloak Mar 2, 2021, 7:07 PM

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fresh copper They probably started with just static routes

yeah

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 7:07 PM

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881 BGP ASN's

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so that's an internet exchange, with a bunch of high density links

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AMS-IX has multiple locations throughout the country

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They peer with most of the world

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and a bunch of companies in europe

fresh copper Mar 2, 2021, 7:09 PM

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AMS-IX is really huge

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 7:09 PM

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But internet exchanges don't just peer themselves, they also provide cross-connects for other peers

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@fresh copper yeah they are at the densest point of the internet in europe

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and I'm 2 hops away from AMS-IX :)

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Home -> ISP -> Serverius Internet Services -> AMS-IX

peak cloak Mar 2, 2021, 7:11 PM

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so many in NY

tame carbon Mar 2, 2021, 7:12 PM

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https://www.submarinecablemap.com/

Submarine Cable Map

A comprehensive and regularly updated interactive map of the world's major submarine cable systems and landing stations.

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@peak cloak some of these networks are very specific lol https://i.imgur.com/LCUDNe4.png

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this one operated by GlobalCloud

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these guys do real backbone stuff ye https://i.imgur.com/CNGOqfL.png

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fresh copper Mar 2, 2021, 7:37 PM

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I really like Herricane Electric myself

peak cloak Mar 2, 2021, 7:39 PM

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fresh copper I really like Herricane Electric myself

I use their v6 tunnel

hollow marlin Mar 2, 2021, 8:32 PM

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peak cloak there were other protocols for route advertising?

There was until it reached a tipping point where no routing protocol can scale as much as BGP can

humble cloak Mar 2, 2021, 8:39 PM

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hey is there a way to force my laptop to use the ac network vs the n network? Connection strength is quite bad in my room for it but its still faster than the n network im on currently

peak cloak Mar 2, 2021, 8:42 PM

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humble cloak hey is there a way to force my laptop to use the ac network vs the n network? Co...

you could lower the 2.4ghz tx power or you could also create seperate SSID's for 2.4ghz and 5ghz

humble cloak Mar 2, 2021, 8:42 PM

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preferably without me having access to the router

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cuz i dont lol otherwise id use a cable

peak cloak Mar 2, 2021, 8:43 PM

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oh

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maybe there is a way, but idk

humble cloak Mar 2, 2021, 8:44 PM

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thats what i thought lol

weak tinsel Mar 2, 2021, 11:22 PM

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I recently just upgraded to a Gigabyte Connection and using the standard router that fios gave me. I am looking to upgrade the router, I have a rather largehome and my budget is $150. I intend to spend less then that however. Please ping me or DM me suggestions.

tribal ferry Mar 3, 2021, 12:21 AM

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Is it safe to purchase MicroTik hardware through amazon?

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 12:23 AM

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I've never had a good times with MicroTik hardware

tribal ferry Mar 3, 2021, 12:23 AM

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I've been discussing it over with many people here, everyone has had differing opinions and I'm fine to purchase it.

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Just looking for whether it's all good to buy it on amazon or not.

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 12:24 AM

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I had a MicroTik router 2 days ago and started to have DNS issues until today replacing my router, and I'm pretty sure it's safe

tribal ferry Mar 3, 2021, 12:30 AM

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Alright

thick minnow Mar 3, 2021, 12:53 AM

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What’s the WiFi box called

hardy python Mar 3, 2021, 12:55 AM

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Router

thick minnow Mar 3, 2021, 12:57 AM

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Router, I barely even know her.

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https://tenor.com/view/bow-bowing-michael-scott-steve-carell-the-office-gif-5632990

Tenor

Bow down - The Office

▶ Play video

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 1:11 AM

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thick minnow What’s the WiFi box called

Access point

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A Router in itself doesn't have a wifi radio

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 1:12 AM

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Are you sure about that

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 1:12 AM

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Yes

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Your generic home router is a router, access point, and switch in one

hardy python Mar 3, 2021, 1:14 AM

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A router is a Wireless access point

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for wireless devices to be connected upon

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 1:14 AM

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No, a router routes

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Between subnets

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And does nat

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Among other services like dns and dhcp

hardy python Mar 3, 2021, 1:19 AM

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A router standardized by what your ISP gives you has WAP on the router.

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 1:20 AM

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hardy python A router standardized by what your ISP gives you has WAP on the router.

Yes Your generic home router is a router, access point, and switch in one

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 1:20 AM

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So it's not a access point

hollow marlin Mar 3, 2021, 1:21 AM

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wireless AP =/= router as Present mentioned

thick minnow Mar 3, 2021, 1:22 AM

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WiFi? More like HiLo

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 1:22 AM

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Then that's a switch isn't it?

hollow marlin Mar 3, 2021, 1:23 AM

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router, switch, firewall, AP perform different functions

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 1:24 AM

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grand rock Then that's a switch isn't it?

A switch operates on a l2 level, a router operates a l3 level

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 1:24 AM

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So a router with a modem in it is a modter

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 1:24 AM

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Ok your trolling

hardy python Mar 3, 2021, 1:24 AM

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So its a layer 3 switch then

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 1:24 AM

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I would neverrrr

hardy python Mar 3, 2021, 1:24 AM

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There two types of switches

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Layer 2

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and layer 4

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 1:25 AM

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hardy python So its a layer 3 switch then

Yeah

hardy python Mar 3, 2021, 1:25 AM

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3

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I mean

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 1:25 AM

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@hardy python <-- mad boi

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 1:25 AM

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Yeah your generic switch is l2

hardy python Mar 3, 2021, 1:25 AM

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lol

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 1:25 AM

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L3 switch allows for routing between subnets like vlans without having the traffic go all the way back to the router

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And firewall rules

tribal ferry Mar 3, 2021, 1:26 AM

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Present, while you're here, it's all good to buy MicroTik hardware on Amazon?

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 1:26 AM

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Routers operate on OSI layers right?

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 1:26 AM

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tribal ferry Present, while you're here, it's all good to buy MicroTik hardware on Amazon?

No clue, bought my erx on amazon

tribal ferry Mar 3, 2021, 1:26 AM

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Good enough for me, the reviews seem fine.

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Time to go pick me up a CRS326-24G-2S+RM!

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 1:26 AM

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I just use a potato and plug my ethernet cables into it and it works

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 1:29 AM

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grand rock Routers operate on OSI layers right?

Osi just describes the whole internet stack

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 1:29 AM

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Yes it's the "model"

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then there's layers to the "model"

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 1:29 AM

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Routers work on l3 although firewall can be l4 or maybe even l5

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 1:30 AM

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My router uses layer69

waxen saddle Mar 3, 2021, 1:31 AM

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Do you know how many layers are in the OSI model?

hardy python Mar 3, 2021, 1:31 AM

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7

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 1:31 AM

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I WAS GONN SAY THAT

hardy python Mar 3, 2021, 1:32 AM

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oof I got confused between a Layer 3 switch and a router lol

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 1:32 AM

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Layer 7 Routing Firewalls

hardy python Mar 3, 2021, 1:32 AM

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Now I know

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 1:32 AM

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are not cool

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I use Reddit as my source of information ;) ;)

waxen saddle Mar 3, 2021, 1:33 AM

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A layer 7 firewall would probably be the web page management interface you use to configure it. Lol

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 1:33 AM

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I totally knew that

waxen saddle Mar 3, 2021, 1:33 AM

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Reddit is a terrible place to learn this stuff. Recommend trial and error.

hardy python Mar 3, 2021, 1:33 AM

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Yes

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 1:33 AM

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A l7 router is basically a reverse proxy

hardy python Mar 3, 2021, 1:34 AM

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I am teaching myself shit so trial and error has been the best way to learn for me, honestly.

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or learning from someone experienced.

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 1:34 AM

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I just know

#include <iostream>
int main() {
    cout << "Turn Off Internet";
}

breaks my interwebs

waxen saddle Mar 3, 2021, 1:35 AM

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That would be an additional function to the router, like the integrated switch and AP. It’s not inherent to the IP routing function

hardy python Mar 3, 2021, 1:35 AM

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yes

waxen saddle Mar 3, 2021, 1:38 AM

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I remember a time when I changed the static IP for a home server. Went to bed, woke up and completely forgot my new IP schema that I moved the server to. Had to manually check the whole subnet twice before I realized it wasn’t even on the same network. I learned to document as I go after that.

hardy python Mar 3, 2021, 1:43 AM

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Yeah

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I love networking and do want to pursue in that field.

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I am creating and using a server for our school

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It is in our IT department.

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 1:44 AM

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Your in HS?

hardy python Mar 3, 2021, 1:44 AM

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Yeah

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 1:44 AM

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Same

hardy python Mar 3, 2021, 1:45 AM

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I am the only one working on it.

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 1:45 AM

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Learn linux and cli if you don't know it already

hardy python Mar 3, 2021, 1:45 AM

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I know Linux but not cli

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 1:45 AM

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I got to learn windows cli as well

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Everything in windows just seems so verbose

thorny vector Mar 3, 2021, 1:46 AM

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Learn powershell, be familiar with command prompt

hardy python Mar 3, 2021, 1:46 AM

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I know Command Prompt very well

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 1:46 AM

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Yeah, powershell

hardy python Mar 3, 2021, 1:46 AM

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I need to learn Powershell

rocky badge Mar 3, 2021, 1:46 AM

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PowerShell scripting is nice

hardy python Mar 3, 2021, 1:46 AM

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yessir!

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 1:46 AM

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I only know basic windows commands

rocky badge Mar 3, 2021, 1:47 AM

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Currently writing a REST API for my school....

thorny vector Mar 3, 2021, 1:47 AM

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Python?

rocky badge Mar 3, 2021, 1:48 AM

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Node HaHaa

hardy python Mar 3, 2021, 1:48 AM

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I have created a bot on Python but that is about it.

thorny vector Mar 3, 2021, 1:48 AM

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Eww, get that Java outa here.

rocky badge Mar 3, 2021, 1:49 AM

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Node != Java

thorny vector Mar 3, 2021, 1:49 AM

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It’s a JavaScript runtime environment, is it not?

hardy python Mar 3, 2021, 1:49 AM

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Would you recommend me to learn programming languages too?

rocky badge Mar 3, 2021, 1:49 AM

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Java != JavaScript

hardy python Mar 3, 2021, 1:50 AM

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I know Python and C++ but not mastered it.

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 1:50 AM

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hardy python Would you recommend me to learn programming languages too?

You should know some

rocky badge Mar 3, 2021, 1:50 AM

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^

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Python is super nice to know

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 1:50 AM

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I know js, some python, some c and cpp

hardy python Mar 3, 2021, 1:51 AM

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Yeah Python has been easy for me so far.

rocky badge Mar 3, 2021, 1:51 AM

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I'm mainly using Node for this project because I can copy and paste a lot of stuff from other stuff I've done

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Since this project is being rushed

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Same for the frontend too

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Vue with Auth0 authentication for JWTs

thorny vector Mar 3, 2021, 1:53 AM

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Fair. I just have violent reactions to anything Java adjacent because I have to deal with its memory BS

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It’s easy for me to forget the two aren’t the same.

rocky badge Mar 3, 2021, 1:53 AM

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JavaScript is nowhere near Java

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 1:53 AM

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Java isn't anything like js

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Just the name

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Thats all that's similar

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It was supposed to be named mocha script I think

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But java was popular so it was called javascript

thorny vector Mar 3, 2021, 1:56 AM

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I should know better. I literally just contributed to a node.js GitHub project.

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Granted, I just de-dockerized the application.

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 2:21 AM

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I know python, a bit of java, and I'm learning C & C++

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I'm also gonna get into basic networking, etc

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 2:32 AM

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grand rock I'm also gonna get into basic networking, etc

Get yourself a good router, you can learn alot

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 2:34 AM

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I'm gonna get a good router since the one I'm using rn is just a backup because my old router is trash lol

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 2:35 AM

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grand rock I'm gonna get a good router since the one I'm using rn is just a backup because ...

I have the er-x, the hex is also a good router

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grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 2:35 AM

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I'll check both out lol

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 2:35 AM

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Here is actually my network setup

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 2:35 AM

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Looks pretty pog

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 2:35 AM

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It's a lot more clean now

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 2:35 AM

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even tho its messy 😂 but i mean messy comes with the setup ;)

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Noice

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Messy = +100mb/s down tho 😳

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 2:36 AM

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The ap is in the middle of the house, poe powered

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I have 300/300

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 2:36 AM

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Damn

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 2:37 AM

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I could get up to gigabit but it's really not worth the extra price

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Fiber latency is great though

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 2:37 AM

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me living slightly out of town not able to get Cable, DSL or FIber

thorny vector Mar 3, 2021, 2:38 AM

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Before spending money on networking hardware, just virtualize it.

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 2:38 AM

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I'm clearly the one with better ineternet here :)

thorny vector Mar 3, 2021, 2:38 AM

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You can straight up emulate Cisco hardware with GN3 and to a lesser extent packet tracer, and you can do full virtualization with a vyos or pfsense vm

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 2:40 AM

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sounds complicated

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And a Job to do when I get my PC 😎

thorny vector Mar 3, 2021, 2:41 AM

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Nope. Especially with packet tracer, it’s literally drag an drop, then configure the emulated devices

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 2:41 AM

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Seems easy enough

thorny vector Mar 3, 2021, 2:41 AM

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Can do the same thing as a full ccna lab, but for free

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And you can slow down the moving of packets to step by step, so you can visualize the traffic at each hop

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 2:42 AM

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Seems pretty pog

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You think this could run a VM 🤔

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Lmfao

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 2:43 AM

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grand rock I'm clearly the one with better ineternet here :)

Sat?

thorny vector Mar 3, 2021, 2:43 AM

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How much memory do you have?

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 2:43 AM

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peak cloak Sat?

Yeah it's sat

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@thorny vector only 4gb I'm using an old laptop

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I have been for awhile now

thorny vector Mar 3, 2021, 2:44 AM

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You can run some light Linux VM’s on it.

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Don’t need thick VMs to practice basic concepts

grand rock Mar 3, 2021, 2:44 AM

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Yeah, it's a bit laggy tho

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but slightly usable

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I think it's an Asus X540SA

hollow marlin Mar 3, 2021, 2:58 AM

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thorny vector You can straight up emulate Cisco hardware with GN3 and to a lesser extent packe...

PT is simulated instead of emulated, that said anyone who ask about getting into networking, PT is the first I point to with Network Direction's YT playlist. Only if it still interest them I suggest EVE/GNS3 and material

thorny vector Mar 3, 2021, 2:58 AM

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@hollow marlin thank you. Simulated is a much better word

hollow marlin Mar 3, 2021, 3:06 AM

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I also slapped vyos in my EVE recently to get a feel for it, not a fan so far. Just feels so stripped down compared to Junos

thorny vector Mar 3, 2021, 3:07 AM

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Yeah. I think it exists for the people that want a foss router OS, but are too good for doing things in a gui with pfsense.

hollow marlin Mar 3, 2021, 3:07 AM

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Well GUIs are 🤮

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Lol

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It's used heavily in enterprises and some ISPs but mainly as basic FWs or BGP RR, which seems so far like it would suffice

thorny vector Mar 3, 2021, 3:09 AM

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For big boy enterprise stuff, yeah. But my team uses pfsense on all of our gateways because it’s just so damn simple to keep mobile and accessible in our on-the-go kits.

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Also, speaking of which, I just got side-moted to being the network and network sensor architect

hollow marlin Mar 3, 2021, 3:10 AM

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Oh hell yeah 👍

thorny vector Mar 3, 2021, 3:11 AM

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I was joking around with people about making decisions about implementing new systems “man I’m glad I’m just an analyst “

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I hadn’t been in the office for a while. Got a blank stare, and a someone saying “no you’re not, not anymore”

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Wut

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https://tenor.com/view/umm-confused-blinking-okay-white-guy-blinking-gif-7513882

Tenor

hollow marlin Mar 3, 2021, 3:13 AM

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So the situations where you speak up on said topic and now you are now in charge of it lol

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How large is the network?

thorny vector Mar 3, 2021, 3:16 AM

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Nothing like you’re thinking. For us, it mostly means being in charge of our kit networks. Our at home office networks are owned by our parent command. What it really means is now I have to be the SME on all of our sensors, splunk, optimizing builds for whatever customer environment we run into, figuring out data transmission from wherever our sensors are in the customer network to our kit....

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Oh, and still be able to do analysis to find evidence of “bad” up to and including novel malware and zero days

hollow marlin Mar 3, 2021, 3:25 AM

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What sensors are within the customers network?

thorny vector Mar 3, 2021, 3:26 AM

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It’s a mixed bag, we never know until we show up.

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Sometimes we can pull data from full appliances, like Palo Altos, for firewall events and netflow. We always deploy our own security onion sensors, which is up in the air now with the cluster F that is security onion 2.

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We always pull whatever host logs we can (obviously on the network side we care about stuff like web server logs)

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And then the always fun “we don’t monitor anything, we just know something bad happened because this screen is asking me for Bitcoin now”

hollow marlin Mar 3, 2021, 3:52 AM

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Ah, gotcha. When it comes to the inspection/IDS/analysis side, I know little about it. We have basic monitoring when it comes to internal but once I get an answer on budget and time we are planning on locking it down and more visibility within our internal network. There are a few ingress points a some spots where customer traffic would have the potential to leak or attack our internal. While it would be difficult, the hole exist and it makes me uneasy thinking about it. Currently we have IDS only but the sysadmins have some monitoring on the server and domain side but I am not sure what it comprises of

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The problem is how much of a redesign, particularly our voice network, it requires. But its something that I pushed up the list

mighty wind Mar 3, 2021, 11:43 AM

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I have been thinking about designing a throwable network for my company. While I was on assignment one of the guys got a USG and some WAPs to go with it. Unfortunately they didn't know how annoying they are and how much of a pain they can be. Probbably will swap it for a Netgate or something home made. The problem is we usually need a 10g switch and those take up a bit of space. But if 5 ports is enough that little mikrotik may work

tame carbon Mar 3, 2021, 11:54 AM

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@mighty wind the CRS305 only has 4 10G ports

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though, they do sell switches and routers with more connectivity

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@mighty wind https://mikrotik.com/product/crs309_1g_8s_in

MikroTik

MikroTik is a Latvian company which was founded in 1996 to develop routers and wireless ISP systems. MikroTik now provides hardware and software for Internet connectivity in most of the countries around the world.

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mikrotik wireless APs are also relatively easy to setup

tame carbon Mar 3, 2021, 1:51 PM

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Fixed a network printer earlier

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some weird bug in the driver, it was set to Raw mode

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causing the printer to turn a single Excel sheet into 400 pages of raw postscript 1 line per page

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I'm just wondering, what could have set this to 'Raw' ?

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I set it to LPR which fixed the issue

untold elbow Mar 3, 2021, 2:20 PM

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any rumors about mikrotik developing a switch with SFP28?

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i figure it's only a matter of time

tame carbon Mar 3, 2021, 2:38 PM

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@untold elbow they have one

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https://mikrotik.com/product/ccr2004_1g_12s_2xs

MikroTik

MikroTik is a Latvian company which was founded in 1996 to develop routers and wireless ISP systems. MikroTik now provides hardware and software for Internet connectivity in most of the countries around the world.

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2x SFP28 and 12x 10G

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this is a router though, not a switch

thick minnow Mar 3, 2021, 2:40 PM

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tame carbon this is a router though, not a switch

What's the diff? Sounds pretty similar

tame carbon Mar 3, 2021, 2:41 PM

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the difference is that there's no switching chip onboard

thick minnow Mar 3, 2021, 2:41 PM

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Okay, so ummm, baseline assume I know nothing about networking and explain it again please

tame carbon Mar 3, 2021, 2:41 PM

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Packet switching is on layer 2

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Routing is layer 3

thick minnow Mar 3, 2021, 2:42 PM

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okay

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so difference between switching and routing is?

tame carbon Mar 3, 2021, 2:42 PM

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routing is on the IP layer

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switching is on the physical layer

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switches can switch ethernet frames

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all devices on a switch, are on the same layer 2 network

untold elbow Mar 3, 2021, 2:43 PM

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@teal wave yeah i'd be looking for a switch, i don't need to route 25G

tame carbon Mar 3, 2021, 2:43 PM

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@untold elbow wrong ping but ok. yeah they don't have any 25G beyond that CCR2004

thick minnow Mar 3, 2021, 2:44 PM

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Ah okay, Thanks

tame carbon Mar 3, 2021, 2:44 PM

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their high end switches are QSFP

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40G

untold elbow Mar 3, 2021, 2:44 PM

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yeah QSFP+ is on its way out

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it's a dumb stopgap tech

tame carbon Mar 3, 2021, 2:44 PM

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I got all 10G gear here :P

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@thick minnow If you look at the OSI model, these things make a lot more sense

untold elbow Mar 3, 2021, 2:45 PM

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40G is nice because you can get used QSFP+ gear cheap

tame carbon Mar 3, 2021, 2:45 PM

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@thick minnow ethernet, and switches therefor, allow data exchange on a local network

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like, devices on your local network, on a network such as 192.168.1.0/24

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they use ARP to ask local devices for the MAC address of the owner of that IP

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so when the packet is transmitted, it has a MAC address for destination

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switches just take a packet that comes in, look at the destination

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and then send it out the port, where that MAC is connected to

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routing, is when you introduce multiple ethernet networks

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and have an IP network on both

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and wish to exchange packets between different networks

thick minnow Mar 3, 2021, 2:47 PM

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Huh, okay thanks @tame carbon

tame carbon Mar 3, 2021, 2:47 PM

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such as your router at home

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routing traffic between your LAN /24 and your ISPs network

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devices on your local network communicating with eachother, do not use routing

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that's purely packet switching

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and in the context of @untold elbow 's question

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a switch would be desireable

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since a router would be limited by however fast the CPU can process the data

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switches generally have a hardware chip for this, so its much much faster

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@thick minnow most consumer 'router/wifi/modem' comb boxes, have a switch internally as well

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comparable to say, my router:

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You can see two switching chips, each with 5 ports associated

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thick minnow Mar 3, 2021, 2:50 PM

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okay

tame carbon Mar 3, 2021, 2:50 PM

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exchange between ports on the same switching chip, is not in any way limited usually

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like, the CRS305 I have, a 4x 10G switch, has a total throughput of 40gbit/s

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but it can only route about 1.2gbit xD

untold elbow Mar 3, 2021, 2:51 PM

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well to clarify, those port extenders do have switching hardware in them too

thick minnow Mar 3, 2021, 2:51 PM

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Also, Whenever I move, remind me to hire you to design my home networking @tame carbon

tame carbon Mar 3, 2021, 2:51 PM

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@untold elbow in the CCR2004? yeah, probably

untold elbow Mar 3, 2021, 2:51 PM

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so they can and will act as a switch when talking on the same subnet, but it's a waste of money if that's all it's doing

tame carbon Mar 3, 2021, 2:51 PM

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I couldn't put my finger on what that ment exactly. but thats "intelligent"

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untold elbow Mar 3, 2021, 2:52 PM

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you're paying for the CPU and RAM and extra hardware

tame carbon Mar 3, 2021, 2:52 PM

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@untold elbow then again, its not that outrageous

untold elbow Mar 3, 2021, 2:52 PM

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yeah, it's not, $600 isn't bad

tame carbon Mar 3, 2021, 2:52 PM

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its very capable as a router

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just not ideal if you want fast switching fabric

waxen saddle Mar 3, 2021, 8:35 PM

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Looks like Multiple WAN IP addresses is coming to Ubiquiti Unifi.

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 8:36 PM

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waxen saddle Looks like Multiple WAN IP addresses is coming to Ubiquiti Unifi.

they didn't have that beforehand?

waxen saddle Mar 3, 2021, 8:37 PM

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Nope

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 8:37 PM

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KEKW

hollow marlin Mar 3, 2021, 9:12 PM

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Its not surprising, it was only a few months ago when they figured out dynamic routing

thick minnow Mar 3, 2021, 11:31 PM

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What do you think is the best router I can get for under 150$ (used for live streaming and gaming)

south blade Mar 3, 2021, 11:41 PM

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Router going to shit, DD-WRT installed and restarting it isn't giving me the WebGUI anymore, what has good range and under $75 used?

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 11:42 PM

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under 75 you can get a good ethernet router, but not really a good wifi one

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@south blade

south blade Mar 3, 2021, 11:43 PM

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Not even used? :/

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 11:44 PM

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south blade Not even used? :/

used, probobly

thick minnow Mar 3, 2021, 11:49 PM

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ASUS RT-AC1200 V2 AC1200 Dual Band WiFi Router, Easy 3-Step Setup, 4 LAN Ports, VPN, Gaming & Streaming

http://www.walmart.com/ip/ASUS-RT-AC1200-V2-AC1200-Dual-Band-WiFi-Router-Easy-3-Step-Setup-4-LAN-Ports-VPN-Gaming-Streaming/737912561

peak cloak Mar 3, 2021, 11:51 PM

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have not heard good things about asus

south blade Mar 3, 2021, 11:53 PM

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lol, I usually check Amazon reviews before buying anything

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Hmmm, isn't this the same one? https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-RT-AC1200-AC1200-Router-Streaming/dp/B082YWFR32/ref=pd_lpo_147_t_0/144-7678520-6231114?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B082YWFR32&pd_rd_r=443b6494-aad3-49f5-a0d5-cb8bbf63e0e5&pd_rd_w=F72Kz&pd_rd_wg=5URrl&pf_rd_p=16b28406-aa34-451d-8a2e-b3930ada000c&pf_rd_r=PCJ31YN2SYZYSVSQ34S5&psc=1&refRID=PCJ31YN2SYZYSVSQ34S5

raw timber Mar 4, 2021, 12:13 AM

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how do people speed this up

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is this unraid issue

peak cloak Mar 4, 2021, 12:15 AM

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raw timber is this unraid issue

probobly

raw timber Mar 4, 2021, 12:15 AM

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so what do i od

peak cloak Mar 4, 2021, 12:15 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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maybe ask someplace that knows

raw timber Mar 4, 2021, 12:16 AM

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do since i need the data off why is unrai have so many isuse i was told it was so good in linus vidoe start to woner why i even becamon a part of this grup

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group if he going to recomadn stuff that have issue

peak cloak Mar 4, 2021, 12:16 AM

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linus KEKW

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he knows very little about servers and networking

raw timber Mar 4, 2021, 12:19 AM

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i was more tak aobut why be part of this group if he would talk so much about how good unraid is with out tell it issue

peak cloak Mar 4, 2021, 12:19 AM

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raw timber i was more tak aobut why be part of this group if he would talk so much about ho...

marketing?

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probably doesn't know the issues himself

raw timber Mar 4, 2021, 12:21 AM

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becaer he did not spend enout time on it

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i think we shuld ask him to look at this link i bet he talk to unraid team who say it all lie lie and he bleive them for mony it why i feee stuck like there a bucn of program that only avable if you buy them or game who only suport window

peak cloak Mar 4, 2021, 12:27 AM

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that being said idk much about unraid so maybe go somewhere that does or post on the forum @raw timber ?

raw timber Mar 4, 2021, 12:28 AM

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i am sure i just get told what you conasiedr a https://h.en0.io/raw/xtreks-unraid-rant a rant is a think they consdier great about it

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and need to just ajust how to do

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or wait

rare matrix Mar 4, 2021, 12:29 AM

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raw timber how do people speed this up

try the tech support channel, i dont think that the issue you are seeing means there is anything wrong with unraid, and i certainly would make sure to try anything new in a test environment, even if it comes recommended in a video

thorny vector Mar 4, 2021, 12:29 AM

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Unraid is a good platform for file storage. I’d investigate hardware issues, like disk I/O bottlenecks, and if it’s over the network, you’re likely not going to transfer faster than 100 MB/s, depending on if you’re on gigabit or not.

raw timber Mar 4, 2021, 12:30 AM

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i am on gig and i want to switch to proxmox

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it why i am coppy all data offit

peak cloak Mar 4, 2021, 12:30 AM

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proxmox really isn't a storage platform

thorny vector Mar 4, 2021, 12:30 AM

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Another potential issue is RAM, if you don’t have enough to support caching the data before it is sent.

peak cloak Mar 4, 2021, 12:30 AM

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peak cloak proxmox really isn't a storage platform

it can be used but it's not easy to use like that

rare matrix Mar 4, 2021, 12:31 AM

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id suggest that going forward you move your data to a stable storage platform while you test new ones, so you dont have to rescue your data from a test system if it doesnt work out

raw timber Mar 4, 2021, 12:31 AM

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i dont have the sever to do that my family was cheap

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we only have 1 sever

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there 8 gig ram free

rare matrix Mar 4, 2021, 12:32 AM

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you can use something as simple as a USB hard drive, and again, relying on something for a critical role, that one hasnt fully tested and learned, is a recipe for disaster

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as for getting your data now, id just suggest patience

raw timber Mar 4, 2021, 12:33 AM

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i dont have one

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it too old and not relibe

rare matrix Mar 4, 2021, 12:33 AM

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well, wherever it is that you are copying your data to right now, from the unraid box, keep the data there

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dont move it onto something new until youre sure it will work the way you want

peak cloak Mar 4, 2021, 12:34 AM

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^

raw timber Mar 4, 2021, 12:35 AM

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if there room for other stuff there it my main pc

rare matrix Mar 4, 2021, 12:35 AM

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its also wise to sign up for a cloud backup service like backblaze, so your worst-case scenario becomes having to download your stuff from the internet when you lose it

peak cloak Mar 4, 2021, 12:36 AM

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if you value your data you don't want everything on one box as well

rare matrix Mar 4, 2021, 12:37 AM

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yeah the final line of defense is the cloud backup, you start there and as you are able to, you add closer and closer and faster and faster backups

raw timber Mar 4, 2021, 12:37 AM

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if i can aford the storage it 500 gig we taking aout

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full of some stand alone game

rare matrix Mar 4, 2021, 12:38 AM

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im not going to instruct you to buy anything, i dont know what kind of funds you have available to you, but its important for you to know that for $50-100 you can get several terabytes of storage

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its extremely inexpensive to get just a bit of disk to keep stuff on

peak cloak Mar 4, 2021, 12:39 AM

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yeah cloud storage isn't terribly expensive

raw timber Mar 4, 2021, 12:39 AM

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i migit just buy a hard dirve

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to put it on

thorny vector Mar 4, 2021, 12:39 AM

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Watch r/homelabsales. I often get 2TB drives for 20 bucks.

rare matrix Mar 4, 2021, 12:39 AM

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you can buy a brand new, warranteed hard disk with several terabytes of storage for 50-75 bucks

raw timber Mar 4, 2021, 12:39 AM

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rember my famil is dirt cheap my dad have free phone from tracphone

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and pay like 120 a year some reason some taugh him mobile data is too pricy

rare matrix Mar 4, 2021, 12:40 AM

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at some point, we have to accept that technology isnt magic and we have to actually be physically in possession of equipment that will do the thing we want

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and you may be asking for more than what your current equipment can do

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so we can tell you what your current hardware can do, we can tell you what additional hardware can do

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but we cant make your existing hardware grow, and we cant find the magic button to make dad buy you a shiny new disk

raw timber Mar 4, 2021, 12:43 AM

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rember we talk about a dad who was perect happy watch dev from red box on a 2013 tv 720p small and use vierizon old rotuer that barle made it up the stars his resonce is wait for it

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lol

rare matrix Mar 4, 2021, 12:43 AM

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not our issue

raw timber Mar 4, 2021, 12:43 AM

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alway wait for wifi you dont need to look on discord on a car ride

rare matrix Mar 4, 2021, 12:43 AM

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cant fix cheap here

plucky cargo Mar 4, 2021, 12:44 AM

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true though

raw timber Mar 4, 2021, 12:44 AM

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ype there saving mony and there cheap cheap cheap while spend mony on base ball ticket

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or donating to chursch

thorny vector Mar 4, 2021, 12:44 AM

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Yeah you can. Before I got the cash to build out my homelab, most was just enterprise cast offs.

raw timber Mar 4, 2021, 12:44 AM

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or going on vaction all he see is worther more

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then some fancy phone and unlimt dat a plan

thorny vector Mar 4, 2021, 12:45 AM

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It just takes work, searching, and reaching out to people.

plucky cargo Mar 4, 2021, 12:45 AM

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okay so what is the point

raw timber Mar 4, 2021, 12:47 AM

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just say my dad is funny he think people wth all that fancy stuff have stress at work are crazy

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he was say some bad world i think when a tmobile add show up talk about a plan that cost 70 a month he say it was worther less uinmless you need it for a job

rare matrix Mar 4, 2021, 12:54 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/venting/

r/venting

raw timber Mar 4, 2021, 12:59 AM

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lol

uncut plume Mar 4, 2021, 3:06 AM

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1 Gbps is not possible over CAT 5 correct?

peak cloak Mar 4, 2021, 3:07 AM

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uncut plume 1 Gbps is not possible over CAT 5 correct?

Officially no, but over short enough distances it could. 5e can do gigabit officially

uncut plume Mar 4, 2021, 3:07 AM

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I was afraid of that

lone sun Mar 4, 2021, 3:12 AM

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Its definitely possible, saw it for myself when I had one. But I'm sitting right next to the modem so. 🙂

thick minnow Mar 4, 2021, 4:27 AM

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umm help pls im only using a wlan how do i change it into wireless
cus i wanna move my setup

uncut plume Mar 4, 2021, 4:29 AM

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I have a hypothetical networking question

worldly sundial Mar 4, 2021, 4:30 AM

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Is it okay to use Wi-Fi 6 with 1Gbps eternet(Real speed: About 600Mbps)?

uncut plume Mar 4, 2021, 4:36 AM

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Hypothetically if your entire home network is only CAT5 Ethernet would there be any point to get higher than 100 Mbps download speeds from your ISP or would it just be a waste because CAT5 only supports up to 100 Mbps?

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:21 AM

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@uncut plume I have 250M internet, yet have 10gbit/s local network

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There's no benefit, unless you have a lot of local traffic

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such as a NAS, or when you do in-home streaming with many devices

uncut plume Mar 4, 2021, 10:22 AM

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10gbit/s? You mean 10 Mbps?

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:22 AM

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10gbit/s

uncut plume Mar 4, 2021, 10:22 AM

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Isnt that 10 times faster than Gigabit ethernet?

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:22 AM

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yes

uncut plume Mar 4, 2021, 10:23 AM

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Okay so your home network is faster then your internet connection

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:23 AM

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Well, isnt this the case in most home environments?

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most people have <1G internet, yet their gear is gigabit capable

uncut plume Mar 4, 2021, 10:24 AM

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Well I was wondering if my home network is only 100mbps if there is any positives to having more then 100mbps from your ISP

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:24 AM

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faster downloads :P

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@uncut plume the way it generally works, your speed is limited by the most congested link

uncut plume Mar 4, 2021, 10:25 AM

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right

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:25 AM

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and the reason I have 10G here, has to do with my NAS being capable of pushing about 3.5gbit/s

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like my workstation also is 10G capable, mainly because if I saturate the NAS on 1G, I wouldnt be able to use the internet

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since link would be congested

uncut plume Mar 4, 2021, 10:26 AM

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But how would it be faster downloads if the traffic is going to bottleneck as soon as it hits the LAN?

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:26 AM

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well, a NAS at home can easily exceed 1G

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@uncut plume well, you said having more than 100mbit

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more bandwidth = faster internet, obviously

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Its just that 1G isn't that fast..

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a sata SSD can read data faster than a 1G network card can transmit

uncut plume Mar 4, 2021, 10:28 AM

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Isnt 1G = 1000Mbps?

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:28 AM

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yea

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and Sata rev3 is 6gbit/s

uncut plume Mar 4, 2021, 10:28 AM

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I only have 100mbps download at my house. I couldnt imaging having Gigabit internet. That would be awesome.

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:28 AM

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most sata SSDs cap out at a read speed of ~500MB/s

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converted to bits, that is 4000mbit/s

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@uncut plume gigabit net is expensive

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I pay 72/month for 250/250
167 euros/month for 800/800

uncut plume Mar 4, 2021, 10:29 AM

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yeah it is

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:30 AM

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That much?

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:30 AM

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@oak night ?

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Its a symetric line

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:30 AM

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Yeah right

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:30 AM

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And 2 hops from amsterdam exchange

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:30 AM

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here we have only asymetric lines

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For private homes

uncut plume Mar 4, 2021, 10:31 AM

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fiber?

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:31 AM

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There's like 4 different ISPs that deliver services on this fiber network

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I went with the one that offers symetric dataplans

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and its also the only ISP out of the 4, that expects you to get your own routing gear

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:31 AM

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oak night here we have only asymetric lines

However they are 28 euros for 1000/300

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:32 AM

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that's not bad

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@oak night what about service agreement ?

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I have a 6 hour SLA

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:32 AM

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What do you mean with that?

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SLA?

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:33 AM

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@oak night basically, they have 6 hours of maximum downtime, before its gonna cost them

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Its a service agreement, if they don't hold up their end of the contract, they pay me in damages

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:33 AM

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Ok

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:33 AM

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That's probably another reason why its a little more expensive than consumer internet

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:34 AM

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uncut plume fiber?

and yes, any high speed internet with symetric lines is most likely fiber optics

uncut plume Mar 4, 2021, 10:34 AM

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I wish I could get fiber internet where i live

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:34 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/776722183119699988/777646103775674368/IMG-20200922-WA0001.jpg

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^ my little network rack

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fiber on the left is the one from the ISP, the other one is locally

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:35 AM

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Cool i just got 2 GBIC to RJ45 converters

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For my switch

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:36 AM

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the highspeed stuff here is all SFP+

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:36 AM

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Yeah but my switch doesn't support that

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.....

uncut plume Mar 4, 2021, 10:36 AM

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The United States needs to get their shit together when it comes to improving infrastructure

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:36 AM

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@uncut plume rightly so, but not gonna happen

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@uncut plume US carriers have formed a cartel around residential connections

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they each drew on a map to what their service area is, and promised not to step on eachothers foot

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thats why in the US, you often don't have a choice in service provider

uncut plume Mar 4, 2021, 10:37 AM

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yup exactly

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and that's why I cant get fiber

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:38 AM

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though i want to get my local speed to 10 Gbits

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:38 AM

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there's no competition

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no market forces

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so no incentives to upgrade and innovate

uncut plume Mar 4, 2021, 10:38 AM

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monopoly

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:38 AM

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This is a curse not only in the US

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Netherlands has a similar problem with DSL networks

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Dutch copper network was privatized

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and after that, innovation stopped

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meanwhile, a 50mbit/s DSL dataplan costs ~45/month

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and its a gamble if you actually get the 50M

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I paid 45/month for 4.5mbit service for many years

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until fiber optics got installed by another organization

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@oak night best part: my previous ISP called me up, asking me what it would take for them to get me to switch providers

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I told them: not gonna happen, since they don't do fiber optics, or innovate

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and they rent out stupid dynamic IPs

uncut plume Mar 4, 2021, 10:41 AM

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I think I pay at $70/month for 100mbps

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:41 AM

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the current ISP I have, gives out static addresses, as well as a public /29 routed to my WAN

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:41 AM

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tame carbon <@!320107893557035008> best part: my previous ISP called me up, asking me what i...

Ah Here it also happens

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:41 AM

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@oak night 2nd time they called me, I asked to be removed from the caller list

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but the guy on the phone was at least self aware

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cus he started his question by saying: it might be a bit of a rude question: but what ISP do you have?

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:42 AM

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yeah with 1000/300 we are not getting anymore a phone number

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finally

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:42 AM

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@oak night lol DSL internet here is such a ripoff

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they deliver IPTV service over DSL as well

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cutting into the bandwidth.

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:43 AM

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LOL

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:43 AM

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@oak night I get IPTV via fiber optics now, and guess what

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https://i.imgur.com/5AutgoD.png

Imgur

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these guys went about it in a smart way ^

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two VLANs, each their own bandwidth

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:45 AM

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Here they say it is 100 mbit but when you call them to say "hey i'm not getting 100 i'm getting 30" they say you it is not their problem and it's normal even if you are like 30 meters from the cabinet

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:45 AM

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tame carbon https://i.imgur.com/5AutgoD.png

Cool

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:45 AM

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That's DSL internet for ya :P

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they blame their bad copper on your house

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:45 AM

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Yep

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:45 AM

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and instead of fixing it they say: this is the best we can do: GOOD LUCKKK mofo

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:46 AM

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Yeah same

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When getting fiber they told me that i could barrow from them the router

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Well i'll use the router from my previous ISP

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:47 AM

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xD

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@oak night initial setup of the gear over here was quite simple

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all they had me do, was hook up my router to their network

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and over the phone, they marked my MAC address

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:48 AM

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Well is is a modem/router/AP/switch

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:48 AM

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so I would always get the same address

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they sent me an email, with subnet information and router configuration for a draytek router

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:48 AM

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So i would love to get a proper router and proper AP

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:48 AM

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so I had to decypher whatever draytek jargon ment

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so I could dial in my mikrotik

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:49 AM

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xD

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:49 AM

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for internet this was quite easy

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for IPTV... slightly less so

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I had to install multicast for rOS before I could do that

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https://i.imgur.com/PWNDsGs.png

Imgur

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:49 AM

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Are you using VLAN ID for internet?

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:49 AM

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yeah

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there's just a DHCP client on that vlan

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:50 AM

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Is it easy to setup?

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It's going to be my first time

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:50 AM

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on mikrotik? https://i.imgur.com/ozT4McA.png

Imgur

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just click New VLAN

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assign it to a physical interface

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:50 AM

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Ok

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What router is it?

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:51 AM

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all the mikrotiks use the same software

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:51 AM

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Ok

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RouterOS

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:51 AM

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Ye

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https://mikrotik.com/product/rb4011igs_rm

MikroTik

MikroTik is a Latvian company which was founded in 1996 to develop routers and wireless ISP systems. MikroTik now provides hardware and software for Internet connectivity in most of the countries around the world.

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:51 AM

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Can i install it on a server?

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:51 AM

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I have this one

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@oak night rOS does support x86, and you can download it and install it

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however

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you need a license for it

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:52 AM

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How much for a license?

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:52 AM

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no idea

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I would only use routerOS on their hardware, since it is optimized

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:52 AM

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Easier to get a Mikrotik

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:53 AM

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@oak night if you don't have a need for high bandwidth ports, something like a hAP ac2 or hEX S might be enough

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https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2

MikroTik

MikroTik is a Latvian company which was founded in 1996 to develop routers and wireless ISP systems. MikroTik now provides hardware and software for Internet connectivity in most of the countries around the world.

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https://mikrotik.com/product/hex_s

MikroTik

MikroTik is a Latvian company which was founded in 1996 to develop routers and wireless ISP systems. MikroTik now provides hardware and software for Internet connectivity in most of the countries around the world.

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:53 AM

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If i'll ever get one i would get one with 10Gig

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:54 AM

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RB4011 is their 10G capable router, though it only has a single 10G port

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:54 AM

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The SFP+ one

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:54 AM

#

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This one yeah

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this one is so powerful, you can disable fastpath and still get 10gbit xD

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quadcore 1.4GHz CPU

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@oak night either way, it dont really matter what kind of hardware you have

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rOS works the same across all their gear

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:56 AM

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Ok

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:56 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/7w5L6X5.png

Imgur

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:57 AM

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Ok

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:58 AM

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@oak night KEKW https://i.imgur.com/YkmVild.png

Imgur

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:59 AM

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Just a question if i want to get windows on a VM in ESXi Should i put windows server or windows 10

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:59 AM

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57TB traffic total xD

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:59 AM

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I'll be using it for IIS

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 10:59 AM

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tame carbon 57TB traffic total xD

WUaooo

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 10:59 AM

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@oak night camera surveilance lol

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24/7 traffic ~45mbit/s

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 11:00 AM

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Ahh

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 11:00 AM

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@oak night I mean, you can use any windows install to run IIS

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I don't even bother with IIS anymore

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I just use Kestrel

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https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/aspnet/core/fundamentals/servers/kestrel?view=aspnetcore-5.0

Kestrel web server implementation in ASP.NET Core

Learn about Kestrel, the cross-platform web server for ASP.NET Core.

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ASP.NET webserver for .NET Core

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 11:01 AM

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About that can i conver a HTML website to ASP.Net?

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 11:02 AM

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ASP.NET spits out HTML

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and the way it does this

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 11:02 AM

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Ok

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 11:02 AM

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depends on what kind of view engine you use

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 11:02 AM

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So i can but how?

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 11:04 AM

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by writing apps with .NET Core instead of .NET Framework

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Its been a while since i wrote .NET apps

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I dont bother with .NET for webapps anymore. too much shit

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 11:05 AM

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Ok

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 11:05 AM

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nodejs kinda king for this

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and even with Java I would be faster

oak night Mar 4, 2021, 11:05 AM

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So you think it doesn't suit me? It is better HTML?

plucky cargo Mar 4, 2021, 11:20 AM

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I have question about NAS, would it be suitable here?

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I'm considering TrueNas and Xpenology... and I'm currently using Xpenology, but not sure what OS would be better.

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Unraid is just way too expensive just for home nas

thick minnow Mar 4, 2021, 12:03 PM

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Hey guys, would it be possible to put a WiFi router (the cheap ISP ones) under WDS with a mobile hotspot?

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 1:12 PM

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@icy comet this is more the place for networking talk

icy comet Mar 4, 2021, 1:12 PM

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Oh okay

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I have question

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Is it possible to use my iMac's internet for my windows machine

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Like via USB or whatever

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 1:13 PM

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@icy comet how are you even receiving internet?

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Because we never went over the physical side of things

thick minnow Mar 4, 2021, 1:13 PM

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icy comet Is it possible to use my iMac's internet for my windows machine

Over ethernet, yea probably,

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 1:13 PM

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only software

icy comet Mar 4, 2021, 1:13 PM

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With iMac, it use WIFI

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On windows, only ethernet

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 1:14 PM

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@icy comet okay, and the cable, is it directly from the PC to the router?

icy comet Mar 4, 2021, 1:14 PM

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But either way I can use both

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Yes

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 1:14 PM

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Does your mac have an ethernet port?

icy comet Mar 4, 2021, 1:14 PM

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Yes

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 1:14 PM

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Can you disable wifi on the macbook for the moment, and plug in the lan cable?

icy comet Mar 4, 2021, 1:14 PM

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It works fine

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 1:15 PM

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and see if your macbook obtains an IP address

icy comet Mar 4, 2021, 1:15 PM

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Oh but that's gonna be a work, gotta move it downstairs since cable is short

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Why

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I mean the cable works fine

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100%

woeful haven Mar 4, 2021, 1:16 PM

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Do switches need cleaning?

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 1:17 PM

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@icy comet That may be, but I am trying to figure out the issue by ruling out what isnt an issue

icy comet Mar 4, 2021, 1:17 PM

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I am thinking of using USB tethering but most of the tutorials I find are PC as host and a phone as target

thick minnow Mar 4, 2021, 1:18 PM

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icy comet I am thinking of using USB tethering but most of the tutorials I find are PC as ...

For macs, you ned to install the HoRNDIS kext

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to tether from a phone

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specifically android

icy comet Mar 4, 2021, 1:18 PM

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But I want pc

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 1:18 PM

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we're getting sidetracked though.

icy comet Mar 4, 2021, 1:18 PM

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As target

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MacOS to windows

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 1:19 PM

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@icy comet only way to do that would be with a bridge over ethernet

thick minnow Mar 4, 2021, 1:19 PM

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Yea

icy comet Mar 4, 2021, 1:19 PM

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Oh

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 1:19 PM

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phone tethering just exposes the phone's internet connectivity as a LAN interface on the PC

icy comet Mar 4, 2021, 1:19 PM

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Ohh

thick minnow Mar 4, 2021, 1:20 PM

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thick minnow Hey guys, would it be possible to put a WiFi router (the cheap ISP ones) under W...

Also, can I do this ?

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 1:20 PM

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no idea, never used WDS

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but you can just try it? pretty sure its just acting as a regular client

icy comet Mar 4, 2021, 1:21 PM

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Wut am I gonna do now?

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I think network card is faulty

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 1:21 PM

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or the driver is faulty

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which is more likely

icy comet Mar 4, 2021, 1:21 PM

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Oh

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I tried to install the driver

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But I don't get 'operation complete' dialog popped out

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Like I saw on tutorial

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Same driver is used

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 1:23 PM

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@icy comet as a bit of a joke, can you try and ping 127.0.0.1 ?

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if that fails as well, you can torch the windows install

icy comet Mar 4, 2021, 1:23 PM

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Works

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tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 1:24 PM

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lol ok at least it can communicate with itself

icy comet Mar 4, 2021, 1:24 PM

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Yea

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 1:24 PM

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I'd really like to see what happens if you put a network sniffer on there

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really wondering what windows is even doing

icy comet Mar 4, 2021, 1:24 PM

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IDK that

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Network sniffer wut

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 1:25 PM

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https://www.wireshark.org/

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Its a packet analyzer

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allows you to see the raw data being transmitted/received by the network card

icy comet Mar 4, 2021, 1:25 PM

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Oh

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 1:25 PM

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This is like, last resort for when shit hits the fan and I can't figure it out. xD

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because if you are using DHCP, you should see the windows machine requesting an address

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and should be able to see what the reply is, if there is any at all

icy comet Mar 4, 2021, 1:26 PM

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Ohh

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 1:27 PM

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@peak cloak didnt we have someone in here the other day, with issues on the windows IP stack?

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because the issue @icy comet has, seems something we've had in here before

peak cloak Mar 4, 2021, 1:28 PM

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tame carbon <@!222482269829332992> didnt we have someone in here the other day, with issues ...

no clue

icy comet Mar 4, 2021, 1:29 PM

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On my other pc, ethernet works fine, but USB WIFI Dongle doesn't, it got same issue

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Invalid IP condigurarion

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 1:29 PM

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Does it detect the dongle, and scans networks?

icy comet Mar 4, 2021, 1:29 PM

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Yess

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I can connect to my router

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 1:29 PM

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@icy comet okay, though on the wifi settings, you can set it to 'obtain addresses automatically'

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what happens if you do that?

icy comet Mar 4, 2021, 1:30 PM

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Haven't tried but will do if I find it

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I lost it lel

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 1:31 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/DTKIFGY.png

Imgur

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except, this time on your wireless interface

icy comet Mar 4, 2021, 1:31 PM

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Ohh okay

thick minnow Mar 4, 2021, 1:46 PM

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Well, is there anyone here who has experience with WDS?

thick minnow Mar 4, 2021, 4:52 PM

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thick minnow Well, is there anyone here who has experience with WDS?

#techquickie-releases message

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Well, no access to that

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 4:58 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/RJtRbiU.png

Imgur

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The naming on this

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If you start with "Performance"

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You really have to be creative

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"Blast!"

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"Super duper performance pro"

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gigabit isnt even gigabit

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its 1200mbit, which... hah. good luck lol

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35 mbit KEKW

thick minnow Mar 4, 2021, 4:59 PM

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ouch

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which company's this?

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 4:59 PM

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Xfinity

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Comcast.

thick minnow Mar 4, 2021, 5:00 PM

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Can I boycott them?

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 5:00 PM

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in US, most of the time you can't

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since there's usually only a single service provider in a given area

peak cloak Mar 4, 2021, 5:00 PM

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I have 2 in my area

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Fios and optimum

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that's why I think optimum has fiber here first

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because fios competition

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 5:01 PM

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Fios is Verizon

peak cloak Mar 4, 2021, 5:01 PM

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yes

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 5:01 PM

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@peak cloak lol but look at that screenshot

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they use fiber

peak cloak Mar 4, 2021, 5:01 PM

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yeah it's stupid

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 5:01 PM

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but only give 35M xD

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and its not even gigabit

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The pricing on it is so misleading

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69 bucks for 600M

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10 bucks extra for "DOUBLE" the speed

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@peak cloak lol even their own R&D dpt. is sipping the kool aid

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Our network report shows that, despite the growth in upstream traffic in 2020, patterns remain highly asymmetrical as downstream volumes were 14x higher than upstream throughout 2020. Our website reflects the way customers use the Internet with downstream overwhelmingly dominating usage, but upstream speeds are included in your cart and are visible upon check out when you submit your order.

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Our network report shows that, despite the growth in upstream traffic in 2020, patterns remain highly asymmetrical as downstream volumes were 14x higher than upstream throughout 2020.

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"Our network"

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Your network is asymmetric you fucking sherlock

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if people had gigabit upstream

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just maybe they would use it.

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but they make it impossible for anyone to begin an internet setup on their own network

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because they clamp down hard on upload for some reason

thick minnow Mar 4, 2021, 5:05 PM

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Also, presentmonkey, do you have any experience with WDS?

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 5:06 PM

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@thick minnow I have

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and I concluded it is total shit

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its basically what mesh wifi is

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one AP connecting to another AP

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as long as your wifi controller can do multichannel

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you should be able to do WDS

peak cloak Mar 4, 2021, 5:07 PM

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thick minnow Also, presentmonkey, do you have any experience with WDS?

what's that?

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 5:07 PM

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@peak cloak its Where one AP connects to another, and resends the same SSID

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aka: mesh

thick minnow Mar 4, 2021, 5:07 PM

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Well, that's kinda what I need, I just wanna know if I connect use a router and bridge it with a mobile hotspot

peak cloak Mar 4, 2021, 5:07 PM

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ahhh

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 5:07 PM

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Wireless Distribution System

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@thick minnow if that router supports wds.

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then yes

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doesnt matter what the hotspot does

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it just thinks its another client

thick minnow Mar 4, 2021, 5:08 PM

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Ah okay, Thanks

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 5:08 PM

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but still

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its jank at best.

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@thick minnow you're better off tethering over usb

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and using a computer to create the hotspot

thick minnow Mar 4, 2021, 5:08 PM

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okay

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thanks

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 5:09 PM

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if you can bridge your tethered internet to your LAN

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you can set up a route, and just use your computer as a router

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or a raspberry pi for that matter

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or do what I did, call up your ISP and ask for a 2nd sim card

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and plug that in an LTE dongle that has a LAN port

thick minnow Mar 4, 2021, 5:10 PM

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Uh huh, Thnks again

tame carbon Mar 4, 2021, 5:10 PM

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I have two sims on the same dataplan, useful so my phone and laptop both have a sim card in them :)

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only the phone can receive calls and texts

verbal gale Mar 4, 2021, 7:56 PM

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hey one question, if I cant accses to the configuration of my router because the company block that option and I buy a new router I will be able to access to the config?? (im using the "default" rout that they give me in the installation)

peak cloak Mar 4, 2021, 8:00 PM

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verbal gale hey one question, if I cant accses to the configuration of my router because the...

do they give you a router or a modem/router

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or seperate modems and routers

verbal gale Mar 4, 2021, 8:01 PM

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yes

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im using that

dusky flame Mar 4, 2021, 8:01 PM

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if the ISP and/or equipment blocked port, say 25 and 999, will a VPN allow devices to access those ports?

peak cloak Mar 4, 2021, 8:01 PM

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verbal gale im using that

is it all in one or seperate

verbal gale Mar 4, 2021, 8:01 PM

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all in one

peak cloak Mar 4, 2021, 8:01 PM

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dusky flame if the ISP and/or equipment blocked port, say 25 and 999, will a VPN allow devic...

depends what you mean by vpn

dusky flame Mar 4, 2021, 8:02 PM

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@peak cloak either a 3rd party vpn service or a site-to-site to another office

peak cloak Mar 4, 2021, 8:02 PM

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verbal gale all in one

the thing is that you will be under double-NAT if you cannot put the modem/router into passthough mode which means you won't be able to port forward

peak cloak Mar 4, 2021, 8:03 PM

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dusky flame <@!222482269829332992> either a 3rd party vpn service or a site-to-site to anoth...

yeah, a vpn will allow you to bypass that, what matters though is how the vpn is configured

dusky flame Mar 4, 2021, 8:04 PM

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@peak cloak so basically, everything that could be blocked by them on their end can be passed through with a vpn setup?

peak cloak Mar 4, 2021, 8:04 PM

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dusky flame <@!222482269829332992> so basically, everything that could be blocked by them on...

yea, as long as they don't block the vpn

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vpn just tunnels traffic

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ISP doesn't know what's going though the tunnel

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as long as the vpn port is open it'll work

dusky flame Mar 4, 2021, 8:05 PM

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ok, I'll check that then. thanks

peak cloak Mar 4, 2021, 8:07 PM

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dusky flame ok, I'll check that then. thanks

as long as you control the vpn on both ends then you can change what port you want the vpn to go over

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an ISP can't block all ports because then you won't have internet lol

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they just usually block 25

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maybe sometimes inbound 80

dusky flame Mar 4, 2021, 8:09 PM

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gotcha

crystal sail Mar 4, 2021, 8:38 PM

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ive got networking homework for tomorrow
can someone help me understand what a switch does

hollow marlin Mar 4, 2021, 8:41 PM

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Well that is part of homework. What is your understanding of what a switch does?

crystal sail Mar 4, 2021, 8:43 PM

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it connects computers to each other i think

peak cloak Mar 4, 2021, 8:48 PM

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crystal sail it connects computers to each other i think

it connects devices together on a L2 level, aka packet switching

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a regular switch doesn't route

stiff panther Mar 4, 2021, 9:09 PM

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index index.php;
server {
    listen 80;
    server_name adminer.site.net;
    
    root /var/www/adminer/;
    
    location / {
        try_files $uri $uri/ =404;
    }
    
    # pass PHP scripts to FastCGI server
    location ~ \.php$ {
        include snippets/fastcgi-php.conf;
        
        # With php-fpm (or other unix sockets):
        fastcgi_pass unix:/run/php/php7.3-fpm.sock;
    }

    # deny access to .htaccess files, if Apache's document root
    # concurs with nginx's one
    
    location ~ /\.ht {
        deny all;
    }
}

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idk whats wroing with my config

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it wont render the php but starts downlaod it instead

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i got php-fpm installed and running

lone sun Mar 4, 2021, 10:37 PM

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hollow marlin Well that is part of homework. What is your understanding of what a switch does?

🤷‍♂️ Just tell them it's a means by which you connect various nodes to a network without being on the same collision domain, that also saves the IP/MAC addresses in a cache. They may be Layer 2 Switches, or they might be Layer 3 switches meaning one that can analyze and transfer packets like a typical router.

hollow marlin Mar 4, 2021, 10:50 PM

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lone sun 🤷‍♂️ Just tell them it's a means by which you connect various nodes to a networ...

I didn't tell them because its an assignment, if you are looking for help of HW its best to explain your understanding then others can correct it. Also since it seems like its a intro class so I would not bring L3 into the mix. A switches core job is to break up collision domains and MAC learning/flooding.

severe wigeon Mar 4, 2021, 10:55 PM

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Got a new toy fellas

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FortiGate FG100D

clear igloo Mar 4, 2021, 10:56 PM

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Why you no Corsair 5000D?!

severe wigeon Mar 4, 2021, 10:57 PM

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LUL

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I sent the previous owner an email asking if they could transfer it. 🤞

clear igloo Mar 4, 2021, 10:58 PM

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Nice, fingers crossed 🙂

severe wigeon Mar 4, 2021, 10:59 PM

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Now to spend hours getting it all setup just right

ashen cypress Mar 5, 2021, 12:02 AM

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What’s the best way to prevent WiFi dropping? I get one drop per hour, lose connection to my games sooo annoying.

severe wigeon Mar 5, 2021, 12:06 AM

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Whelp, was worth a shot

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Guy is just a lazy pos and wont submit a ticket so ill have to call fortinet

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Doubt thatll go well

waxen scroll Mar 5, 2021, 12:27 AM

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@clear igloo i dont homework

waxen scroll Mar 5, 2021, 12:27 AM

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hollow marlin I didn't tell them because its an assignment, if you are looking for help of HW ...

what? I'd bring VRFs into the mix

hollow marlin Mar 5, 2021, 1:28 AM

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Why stop at VRF and keep going to VPLS

waxen scroll Mar 5, 2021, 1:45 AM

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When I went to school for this we had a senior project thing and I did an online class at this point so I was mixed with randos

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People in my group were like MPLS! And other stuff and I'm like wtf? They didn't teach me any of this

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My guess is there were experienced neteng using corporate money to get a new degree lol

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I don't recall if we were taught bgp

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I think not

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It was a ccna course and I'm pretty sure it didn't teach that at the time

lone sun Mar 5, 2021, 2:16 AM

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I was taught bgp in my net+ course, but it didn't go too indepth. It taught a little bit of everything actually. I don't remember half that shit. 🙃

kindred warren Mar 5, 2021, 2:30 AM

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Hey maybe this is the wrong place to ask but when I first boot my pc it connects to the internet then loses connection after about 30s. I have tried different ports on my router and different cables. The WiFi and Ethernet work on my phone and other PCs. Any ideas?

lone sun Mar 5, 2021, 2:34 AM

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Run a pathping to Google or something in command prompt to see if packets are being dropped past your modem/router. 🤷‍♂️

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I'd also run a continuous ping to your default gateway just to help rule out the issue being on your end.

kindred warren Mar 5, 2021, 2:35 AM

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When I run troubleshooting it says “Ethernet doesn’t have a valid ip configuration”

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Sorry if I’m dumb bum

raw timber Mar 5, 2021, 2:39 AM

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Did you ser pc to get ip by dhcp

little schooner Mar 5, 2021, 2:42 AM

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lone sun I was taught bgp in my net+ course, but it didn't go too indepth. It taught a li...

I dont remember a lot of the stuff either. OSPF, for example

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I am not interfacing with networking equip everyday that would of otherwise help me maintain the information at a very comfortable level

kindred warren Mar 5, 2021, 2:56 AM

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As with most things it appears unplugging the router and mixer for 30s worked

raw timber Mar 5, 2021, 3:13 AM

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@kindred warren you did not answer questions

kindred warren Mar 5, 2021, 3:14 AM

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I did not. It is my wife’s computer and she was complains about no internet

raw timber Mar 5, 2021, 3:14 AM

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Well we need more info to help

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Like did you restart both

kindred warren Mar 5, 2021, 3:14 AM

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I got it to work by unplugging and replugging the router

raw timber Mar 5, 2021, 3:15 AM

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Oh

lone sun Mar 5, 2021, 3:23 AM

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little schooner I dont remember a lot of the stuff either. OSPF, for example

Yeah I remember it having to do with how routers keep track of each others routing paths through a network. Thats as much as I remember. 🤷‍♂️

hollow marlin Mar 5, 2021, 3:45 AM

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OSPF is a link-state protocol, it has a full view of a links in the area when running SPF for determining the best path. BGP on the other hand is vector based where at a high level uses next hops and really has no accurate view of the path taken

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BGP+OSPF are pretty much the go to

lone sun Mar 5, 2021, 4:09 AM

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@hollow marlin I read RIP was the old standard and went the way of the dodo bird relatively quickly for various reasons. 🤔

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Whatever the case may be, its not stuff I'll likely have to deal with as a level one engineer. 🤷‍♂️

hollow marlin Mar 5, 2021, 4:12 AM

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Yeah it's vector based too but it's chatty and cannot scale for crap. BGP was not a replacement but it quickly took over some of it's uses and OSPF came in and killed it off.

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If you are to every try to push your career further, you will need to know at least OSPF. Not too deep but have a decent grasp.

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EIGRP is still popular but I've never seen it in the wild but exist in enterprises, and intermediate-system to intermediate-system (cannot type it or the bot slams the hammer) and BGP more so if you go the telecom path

lone sun Mar 5, 2021, 4:17 AM

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🤔 Right, so basically Ospf is like the airport ATC, while BGP is more akin to an enroute air traffic controller. Is that a good analogy?

hollow marlin Mar 5, 2021, 4:19 AM

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I'd say so. OSPF is the maps to each of the terminals in the airport and BGP is peered between the airports. You can see the entire airport and all the paths, but the traffic controller only knows to get to Florida I need to direct traffic to the Omaha airport

lone sun Mar 5, 2021, 4:21 AM

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🙂 Right, got it. Makes all that shit they shoved down my throat easier to retain when you can use proper analogies. 👍 👍

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I used to be a flight dispatcher, so that's why I'm using airports.

hollow marlin Mar 5, 2021, 4:25 AM

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The more I think about it the more I like the airport analogy, a surprisingly good amount translate incredibly well.

lone sun Mar 5, 2021, 4:26 AM

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Certainly

waxen saddle Mar 5, 2021, 5:10 AM

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Inb4 ATC starts secretly using OSPF for flight traffic

hollow marlin Mar 5, 2021, 5:37 AM

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OSPF uses shortest path first (SPF) which is actually used all over the place, that said OSPF/MPLS-TE would not be out of the realm of possibility to be a decent traffic control system

heady iron Mar 5, 2021, 6:00 AM

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Any programs for linux or windows that I can use to throttle the internet speed of certain devices? Just discovered my router doesn't support the feature.

heavy vapor Mar 5, 2021, 6:19 AM

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I would like to network with people who are into CCNA, Network Engineering

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curently studying to become network engineer

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just applied for a job at facebook

humble cloak Mar 5, 2021, 8:18 AM

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ashen cypress What’s the best way to prevent WiFi dropping? I get one drop per hour, lose conn...

try having your router assign static ip's to devices instead of having it dynamically allocate em

icy comet Mar 5, 2021, 8:29 AM

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How do I USB Tether MacOS(HOST) to Windows(Target)

tame carbon Mar 5, 2021, 9:46 AM

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@icy comet You can't

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There's no usb tethering capabilities on either OSX or windows

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only way to share an ethernet connection between two devices would be with a bridge.

icy comet Mar 5, 2021, 9:47 AM

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but you can with phone as target

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oh

tame carbon Mar 5, 2021, 9:47 AM

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and a bridge is ethernet.

icy comet Mar 5, 2021, 9:47 AM

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: /////

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i guess the only way is buy a new network card

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thanks anyways

ruby bramble Mar 5, 2021, 9:48 AM

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icy comet i guess the only way is buy a new network card

Do you need one?

icy comet Mar 5, 2021, 9:48 AM

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integrated one is kinda broken

tame carbon Mar 5, 2021, 9:48 AM

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@icy comet the only reason your phone can tether to a PC, is because the phone can emulate a network card on the usb connection

ruby bramble Mar 5, 2021, 9:48 AM

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Do you want me to send you one?

tame carbon Mar 5, 2021, 9:49 AM

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but PC to PC, wont be possible

icy comet Mar 5, 2021, 9:49 AM

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ohh

tame carbon Mar 5, 2021, 9:49 AM

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it uses NDIS for this

icy comet Mar 5, 2021, 9:49 AM

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ruby bramble Do you want me to send you one?

eh, thanks but I don't feel comfortable sharing my location

tame carbon Mar 5, 2021, 9:49 AM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Driver_Interface_Specification

Network Driver Interface Specification

The Network Driver Interface Specification (NDIS) is an application programming interface (API) for network interface controllers (NICs).

ruby bramble Mar 5, 2021, 9:49 AM

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icy comet eh, thanks but I don't feel comfortable sharing my location

Ok

icy comet Mar 5, 2021, 9:49 AM

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ohh

tame carbon Mar 5, 2021, 9:50 AM

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@icy comet just get yourself one of those 15 buck USB to ethernet dongles

icy comet Mar 5, 2021, 9:50 AM

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what about PCI-e ones?

tame carbon Mar 5, 2021, 9:50 AM

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that would be possible as well

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