#i know i missed a number
#networking
minor girder
peak cloak
x.x.x.1 is usually for the router
thick minnow
you cant have 192.168.1.1 for pc and 192.168.1.1 for xbox
minor girder
@peak cloak what i meant sorry guys! Does the ip have to be similar or just change the ending one
peak cloak
well it has to be in the same subnet
minor girder
Errr
peak cloak
so 192.168.1.1/24
minor girder
Ahhhh
peak cloak
that is a network that ranges from 192.168.1.1 - 192.168.1.254
minor girder
Is this a dhcp thing?
peak cloak
iirc the last number is reserved for broadcast
minor girder
So 9f they are all on the same subnet with different ip i should be cool right?
I'm lost 🤣
peak cloak
yeah, but I'm pretty sure IPs aren't the problem here
minor girder
Sorry guys
peak cloak
routing is the issue
minor girder
Ah ok
thick minnow
Sorry guys
were here to help
thick minnow
how many devices do you want to connect
minor girder
About 5 in total
thick minnow
not in the same room? or same room
if theyre all in the same room just connect them to your hotspot
minor girder
Different rooms / xbox/lounge pc /bedroom pc/ vr machine/
Oh and i have a cute thingy
Cctv *
Hmmm 🤔
So should I assign static ips?
thick minnow
no i dont think your phone can do that
if i were you id try a wifi extender to extend the hotspot of your phone
but take in mind you will need to keep your phone charging while hotspot is on and your phone will get very hot
minor girder
Oh yeah it always is
My issue really is getting the router to assign ip addresses to the other devices
The hotspot only works if I disable dhcp
thick minnow
but you can use an wifi extender to extend the (kinda weak) wifi signal of your hotspot from your phone
minor girder
Will that split it to all 5 devices?
thick minnow
your phone can connect to 5 devices but the signal isnt strong so it doesnt get far
something like these
will make the signal go far
thick minnow
im doing some research and maybe a few routers can connect to an android phone via usb
minor girder
Oh this one can
peak cloak
if you just tell the router somehow to use the phone as WAN then you'll be set
minor girder
Thanks i g2g seriously
You been a massive help!
I've been bashing my head for weeks over this lol
thick minnow
wan is like the input
so your phone needs to be the wan in your routers settings
tag me when it works i want to know xD
tall pagoda
I have found a strange, mysterious network signal on the same channel as my AP. The mac begins with FA:8F:CA. Does someone know what it is?
lusty hearth
any idea where i should put a laptop that's running 24/7?
peak cloak
I have my server rack in the basement
tame carbon
@minor girder just get a switch, a /24 (255.255.255.0) subnet can have like total of 254 devices
You do not need static IP assignment, since your router most likely uses DHCP
peak cloak
<@!372287853121765377> just get a switch, a /24 (255.255.255.0) subnet can have ...
he wants to use his phone as WAN
that's the issue
as a hotspot
and connect that to his router
peak cloak
yep
waxen scroll
its never worth getting a full gig
i do 100mbit for $35/m
you can wait the extra minute to save $55/m
i member when i had to pay $180/m for triple play. feels great to only pay the cable company 35
tame carbon
@waxen scroll yeah same here, I pay 72/month for 250M symetric
800M (the highest speed they do) is 167/month
even 250M is more than I ever need
waxen scroll
i'd be fine with 50 but thats pushing it
waxen scroll
my isp doesnt offer lower than 100mb i think. you have to be low income to get 25
tame carbon
my previous ISP was even more outrageous
their dataplans start at 50mbit for DSL
except my line was a 4.5km long ADSL2+ link
@ 4.5mbit
so I pay for 50
I get 4.5
waxen scroll
thats good.... my DSL provider can only do 25 max and they charge $60/m for it
waxen scroll
i know.... i cant imagine anyones signing up for it
tame carbon
upkeep makes it not worth
hollow marlin
Its expensive until you realize how much the upkeep cost is of copper. Typically somewhere around $30/m just to break even over the years
tame carbon
@hollow marlin its much higher than fiber optics
if you look how they run the cables
big fat trunk line
with splice points all over the place
vs fiber: which is just a plastic tube per residence
if fiber fails, you just blast a new one in
waxen scroll
idk, fiber has splice points all over too doesnt it
hollow marlin
Fiber is typically run, splice and forget until rodents, tree branches or backhoes decide otherwise
waxen scroll
and its more complex to splice
tame carbon
@waxen scroll PON's yeah.
but equipment to splice is a farce compared to the manhours needed
single fiber splice takes 5-10 mins
hollow marlin
Its not bad to splice. Especially with PON because most come in pigtails
tame carbon
yep
@waxen scroll though have you seen those DSL splice boxes?
its nasty biz
I saw how they sealed them
they put a cask around it, and light a fuse
the inside liquifies and red goop comes out the side
sealing the package
so its not like fiber, where you can open a patch box with windings of fiber
if you want to open the splice, you need a knife
cut away the plastic and sealant
took them like 2 hours the whole ordeal
waxen scroll
all of this is news to me. lets ask DSL employee juan
tame carbon
@waxen scroll
after they put the case back on, they put a rubber seal around it
which is heat shrunk
waxen scroll
ive seen those but ive not seen heatshrink on them
tame carbon
@waxen scroll he used a torch lol
the old one he had removed, as made of lead
and had completely rusted away
hollow marlin
I don't miss that. Also coated in icky pic which is near impossible to get off your hands (aka grease for moisture protections)
topaz cosmos
guys you know how some games and stuff require a range of ports to be open, what if you only have some of them open? would it create packet loss or not allow you to connect at all?
peak cloak
guys you know how some games and stuff require a range of ports to be open, what...
different ports for different services
topaz cosmos
yes but what would happen if you didn't open all of them. like some guides on the internet say that you need to open all the ports it uses to reduce connection problems, which ive always been confused about
like can you explain it
peak cloak
depends on the context
peak cloak
game can mean a lot
topaz cosmos
AN ONLINE MULTIPLAYER GAME
topaz cosmos
I'm trying to find what's the purpose of xbox
what does this mean
peak cloak
well that's what I know, the purpose of the ports is uaually not public
give me a sec
for xbox live for example it needs these
idk why they want you to port forward 53 and 80
that seems kinda stupid
but basically there may be different network connections that go over the different ports
idk, it's all on the game dev's side
topaz cosmos
yes but that doesnt answer my question
desert briar
A port either talks through a port or it does not. Having an open port enables communication, having a closed port forbids it. Nothing to do with packet loss.
topaz cosmos
i never mentioned speed
desert briar
Sorry, packet loss
If the port is closed, packet loss will be 100%, as you cant communicate
you wont be able to play your game this way at all
peak cloak
the game dev may have different connections on the port range so some information gets greater priority? idk
and fallbacks on one port if the whole range isn't forarded? idk, it's all up to the game dev, there is no standard I think
topaz cosmos
let's say some ports for basic connection things are open, and some are closed, like the main ones that it uses for you being in the game and moving around etc
desert briar
Usually if a game uses a port range, its because it uses lets say 1 port for sending player data, the other one for e.g doing authentication and so forth. In any case, if the game requires you to open a range of ports, you need to do so otherwise you usually wont be able to play at all
drowsy sand
Is it worth getting RAIDZ2 or even RAIDZ3 instead of RAIDZ when I am on 1TB drives?
topaz cosmos
thats what im trying to ask
topaz cosmos
Usually if a game uses a port range, its because it uses lets say 1 port for sen...
so why do guides say you need to open ports for a better connection
i assumed that
like i assumed what you said in the first place
thats why i asked
desert briar
Guides say a lot of bad things, like putting your playstation 4 into the DMZ. Sony has it on their website, lol
peak cloak
^
peak cloak
Is it worth getting RAIDZ2 or even RAIDZ3 instead of RAIDZ when I am on 1TB driv...
when resilvering after a drive failure lots of people say this is when another drive fails so I would say at least Z2 because of all the wear on the drive
peak cloak
Guides say a lot of bad things, like putting your playstation 4 into the DMZ. So...
I honestly don't understand what DMZ means on a consumer router
desert briar
Putting a device into a DMZ is basically a carefree approach to "lie to someone". Your internet might be shit because of a firewall, because of your ISP, faulty DNS etc. But they dont care. Just DMZ that thing so that they dont need to troubleshoot anything. If it dont work it dont work, lol
drowsy sand
RAIDZ2 requires five drives if I recall correctly. Or am I wrong?
peak cloak
RAIDZ2 requires five drives if I recall correctly. Or am I wrong?
6 I think
desert briar
So why do guides say you need to open ports for a better connection
Well, debatable. Why open a port if the application doesnt use it at all. Wont change anything, really
And if you close a port which is essential for the game, such as a port which is in charge of registering movement, you will most probably be disconnected. If not, then the devs should do something about it 
drowsy sand
HBA doesn't care whether it is RAID-Z or usual RAID, amirite?
peak cloak
HBA?
drowsy sand
Host Bus Adapter
peak cloak
oh idk what that is
drowsy sand
A controller with a bunch of SATA or SAS ports, in case you run out of them.
drowsy sand
kk ty
thick minnow
thick minnow
The router IP Vs The subnet mask
little schooner
I chuckled
peak cloak
I honestly still don't get it...
lusty hearth
is this basically the theoretical max speed i can get on gigabit
hollow marlin
I honestly still don't get it...
IP man is a series of movies, probably the oldest networking meme. Funny enough they stopped at IP man 4
peak cloak
IP man is a series of movies, probably the oldest networking meme. Funny enough ...
ahhh
that makes more sense
waxen scroll
😷
mystic compass
Hi
peak cloak
hi
pearl latch
hi
tame carbon
IP man is a series of movies, probably the oldest networking meme. Funny enough ...
I only know of the bastard operator from hell
@peak cloak are you a fan of GOTO ?
I think this might be a much better approach ;)
autumn ether
DKIM and general email security questions:
Given:
- a server with hostname vps.elfensky.io and postfix/dovecot servers running on it
- website1 hosted on this server: elfensky.io (with mail.elfensky.io subdomain)
- website2 hosted on this server: example.io (with mail.example.io subdomain)
Which SSL certificates is used when:
- signing DKIM for either of the domains?
- trying to login using imap (to check on messages) on @autumn ether.io or @example.io
- trying to login into smtp (to send message) on @autumn ether.io or @example.io
Should they all use vps.elfensky.io's certificate? Should the mail.<domain> certificates be copied to and used by postfix/dovecot?
drowsy sand
Is there going to be a problem putting hard drives with different RPM's into one box (6 disks)? And shall I go out of my way and get them from different brands as well or is the fear of buying the same hard drives four times from the same batch unfounded?
TrueNAS with a normal desktop case.
lean pebble
IP man is a series of movies, probably the oldest networking meme. Funny enough ...
So they need to jump to IP man 6
rare matrix
Is there going to be a problem putting hard drives with different RPM's into one...
the "best scenario" is drives with vaguely consistent performance characteristics, as distinct from each other as possible, but that's only for the sweatiest of neckbeards
in reality we rely on disk redundancy to reduce downtime, not data loss - disk arrays with redundancy are not backup, we use actual backup for that
so your array most probably won't die even if you get sequential disks from the exact same batch
but if by some stroke of poor luck or negligence it does, that should result in a restore from backup, not data loss
drowsy sand
I kinda thought about using the NAS of a friend of mine as a backup.
Buying drives for it ofc.
rare matrix
right so you have a disk array for primary storage, and a disk array for backups
either one can theoretically die and not matter
drowsy sand
3 2 1
rare matrix
production array dies, restore from backup, backup array dies, just rebuild and make new backups
drowsy sand
yeah. but as of now, I am on a single machine with no cloud- or other kind of backup.
rare matrix
not reco'd
drowsy sand
I know
rare matrix
at the very very least 5 bucks a month for backblaze
rare matrix
and a few bucks on an external usb enclosure and disk doesn't hurt either
point is, storage for live data and storage for backups are both part of the storage purchasing consideration
disks are cheap storage is expensive
drowsy sand
Yeah. I was just worried about the difference in RPM between the drives.
rare matrix
rpms matter less than latencies and data transfer rates
and all of that is mainly minmaxing
you're not going to get stellar performance out of mechanical storage regardless
drowsy sand
I don't really care about that. It is a NAS, so there is no real need for fancy 10gbit stuff.
rare matrix
yeah
it's fine just don't run your stuff without backup storage or you're cruisin for a bruisin
drowsy sand
About that ... 1x1TB TrueNAS setup. Heh. Safety.
lean pebble
Super safe
thick minnow
I have an old server that needs DDR2, unbuffered. Is there ECC memory that's unbuffered or not?
tame carbon
@thick minnow AM4 has ECC
I have ECC modules on my Ryzen 2600
oh
wait, an old server
@thick minnow look up what chipset it is
memory controller has to support it
@thick minnow buffered memory just has a buffer register inbetween the memory dataline and the bus
timing is different
thick minnow
hmmm let me look
tame carbon
What CPU?
thick minnow
It's an intel something
tame carbon
well, I need more than something
tame carbon
if you remove the heat sink from the CPU
thick minnow
ok
tame carbon
wait
oh, you dont have any ram
you need to reapply this when you put it back together,
but the model name is written on the cpu package
thick minnow
thermal paste?
tame carbon
ye
thick minnow
ok
tame carbon
you just need some rubbing alcohol and a piece of cloth
tame carbon
and the processor?
thick minnow
One more sec
tame carbon
well, Im looking at the manual right now https://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/datasheet/313083.pdf
actually hold on
this is the datasheet xD
@thick minnow whatever that system is
its an environmental scandal turning it on
its terribly old, and inefficient
@thick minnow I actually need not know any more
CPU is irrelevant
thick minnow
oh ok
tame carbon
old systems like these had them on the board
thick minnow
had what?
tame carbon
Get this
a raspberry pi 4 is faster than this 
and that thing consumes 7 watts
@thick minnow this thing ought to belong in e-waste/recycling
thick minnow
I don't need anything other than the network card in it
tame carbon
yeah but why not just get yourself a $45 raspberry pi ?
tame carbon
it has gigabit ethernet, 4x USB, and 4GB ram
@thick minnow yeah but then you get the power bill xD
and the noise
tame carbon
could rebuild the case
thick minnow
Yeah it's an ATX I think
tame carbon
put a last gen ATX or mATX board in it
I built myself a budget server out of a ryzen system
thick minnow
Okay! Those would have built in graphics, right?
tame carbon
@thick minnow you can also buy Single board computers from intel, with Celerons soldered onto them
those cost like 50-70 bucks used, are ment as a NAS
mATX or mini ITX
graphics, on a server? :3
thick minnow
ok
tame carbon
@thick minnow but the thing is
if you want a budget NAS
just buy a raspberry pi :)
that thing has a quadcore cpu and LP-DDR4
LP = low power
thick minnow
You think it'd be able to do 2 4TB drives in RAID?
tame carbon
probably
though you need to have a sata adapter for that, or have usb powered storage devices
sata is still more reliable
@thick minnow if you have some money and want to invest a little into something you could upgrade
getting an AM4 motherboard with a low end ryzen chip is a nice way
those boards cost around 80 bucks, and chip is like 150 bucks
you already have a case
possibly a power supply, if you can test them
thick minnow
It has a core 2 duo lmao
thick minnow
no but it's like 2008 era
tame carbon
but its still a slow system by comparison
@thick minnow could just set up a btrfs mirror on two usb harddrives on a pi
and set up a network share
thick minnow
okay...
tame carbon
btrfs is a bit more fault tolerant
thick minnow
For the motherboard, should I get a server one or just a normal one (For the AM4 suggestion)
tame carbon
if your case fits ATX, get ATX
thick minnow
Ok!
tame carbon
more PCIe interfaces
those are your primary way to expand the system
need more sata or networking? plug in a card
thick minnow
oooh
wow
that's pretty cool
I'm still kinda new to PCs
I'm pretty good with laptops though lol
tame carbon
Peripheral Component Interconnect Express
see, I had a small case
cus the network cabinet it goes into is small
so I went with a mini ITX system
the rear IO where all the connectors are for the outside, are standard
the size of the board caries
as you can see, mini ITX has only one, micro (m) atx has up to 4
thick minnow
It's a 1 U system, I think
tame carbon
1U?
thick minnow
It's really slim
tame carbon
you need purpose built parts
peak cloak
yeah U are rack units
tame carbon
to fit it all in there
@thick minnow even cramming all that stuff into a 2U case was a challenge
thick minnow
ahhh
peak cloak
peak cloak
tame carbon
1U's are for highly specialized servers, that need to be compact, because there's like a whole rack full of them
tame carbon
the problem is that you wont be able to mount the cooler
thick minnow
oh
tame carbon
and all other sort of problems
thick minnow
Well okay
tame carbon
because these server boards and their internals are highly custom
tame carbon
or blade servers
peak cloak
tame carbon
peak cloak
this is a 1U
tame carbon
you have a big enclosure ^ that provides power and data
and there servers are stacked vertically into the enclosure
thick minnow
huh!
tame carbon
each server has processor, ram and such
thick minnow
that's cool
tame carbon
I wish there was a raspberry pi with like an 8x or 16x PCIe interface
and not the big board one
cus that one has shitty IO
waxen scroll
@tame carbon omg i'd be fired if i took a pic like that at any job and made it public
silly ppl
thorny vector
the problem is that you wont be able to mount the cooler
You can if you make the entire case a passive heat sink. 😄
I can confirm that actually works
quasi island
My SneakerNet of TV, anime and NHL games to a Royal Canadian Navy ship is starting to earn praises.
peak cloak
nice
thorny vector
Hey, dis guy
lean pebble
Good night guys
lean pebble
FCLGA1150 and LGA 1150 are the same right?
mighty wind
man we have a debate currently for setting up a 10G network for large file transfers or just buying some hard drives and putting them in our shoes.
thorny vector
@mighty wind currently the highest bandwidth transfer was attained by google i think, when they sent an 18-wheeler full of drives from one data center to another
mighty wind
I also think usb would be better for this task as it will be transfers of a few TB of individual .tga files
thorny vector
Yeah, big files like that are a hassle over the network
mighty wind
well its lots of <1gb tga files adding up to a few TB
thorny vector
Instead of 10Gbe networking, you might benefit from having hot swap ingest nodes at each location.
mighty wind
the problem we are looking at is distribution to 3 servers direct from render
thorny vector
Hmmm. What kind of rendering? I ask that, just because for example I’ve done distributed blender renders before, and it did it frame by frame, which was manageable over my gigabit network.
rocky badge
<@150017863090962432> currently the highest bandwidth transfer was attained by g...
So AWS snowmobile :P
100PB per snowmobile
mighty wind
Not sure what they are using but Its for projection mapping to a building. the media servers will be playing back what is essentially a tga sequence but the file format may change
thorny vector
Hmmm. Depending on how it outputs, it could be workable to watch the output folder, do a quick md5 of the pieces, pass over, do a checksum, and reassemble
mighty wind
likely they may need to render out and then transcode to the media servers preferred format. Still need to figure out workflow once we get on site after 2 weeks quaratine
I think the transcoding software made for the servers can do distributed output to send each frame directly to the servers
but it may be a once all done then copy kind of thing
thorny vector
Yeah, didn’t think it was transcoded streaming, that makes things different. And a PITA.
mighty wind
Either way wed have to buy 10G netowk or usb as i think the servers only have 3.1 gen 1
but network wise wed have to get a deployable 10G switch since its a mobile operation
thorny vector
If they’re trying to stream, you’re probably going to want the 10g. Depending on what happens with scaling when the transcoding happens.
mighty wind
and rugged fiber reels are not cheap
thorny vector
You could get that 4 port 10Gbe mikrotik. That way you could get some base-t sfp modules. Rugged copper is cheaper.
mighty wind
yeah we were thinking about it. Id probably bring the one from my home office as they seem to be long lead right now direct from china. Hopefully they make a decision tomorrow since I fly out and go into quarantine Sunday
I think the cost decision is for the cards in the servers cant really do second hand if we leave them and we don't really want to be opening them up on site since they are not in the best of conditions.
all comes down to $$
thorny vector
Yeah. And people controlling the money not understanding you need to spend a little to save a lot
mighty wind
on the plus side I get to try out the new wireguard vpn setup in pfsense while im traveling
thorny vector
That’s always fun. We’ve always just used the pfsense openvpn package. Don’t think we’ll migrate to wireguard, and I don’t feel any urgency to.
mighty wind
im typically the same but i kinda still like my deployable softether vpn since it gets past quite a bit
thorny vector
I mean at the end of the day, no one is reaaally going to go after the vpn protocols anyways, unless they have a for sure zero day. Everyone is just going to go after layer 8
mighty wind
always go after the soft fleshy targets
makes me think if "organic" computers would fall for the same stuff
rocky badge
on the plus side I get to try out the new wireguard vpn setup in pfsense while i...
WG in pfSense is niceeeeee
I have 2 persistent connections and 3 mobile clients rn
I can push~300Mbps/500Mbps (dl/up from client speedtest) on it
thorny vector
It’s frustrating reading cyber incident reports. They all usually start with “Malware gained access through user XXXX clicking a phishy email/web link”
mighty wind
I remember people in my company thinking we got hacked when the SOC started emailing them
you know that facepalm meme where the hand goes through his head... that was me
thorny vector
Inside job bro
mighty wind
I'm just surprised my clearance didn't throw up a read flag for them. I'm not exactly on the IT team yet I have access to our server room and admin logins to the server for our department.
Wait
am I the inside job
Then again I do run the backups for them
and someone has to put the tapes into the safe
thick minnow
kinda sad this
paying 30k a year for a private school but the internet connection fails when a class starts a team meeting
🥲
serene sparrow
https://www.speedtest.net/result/10962339429.png
That isn’t the worst
Imagine having that speed, but 24/7
thick minnow
That’s the 24/7 speed
tame carbon
I don't understand this Wireguard hype that blob is pushing lol
wireguard doesnt work on most operating systems without installing third party software
lean pebble
Hello
tame carbon
@lean pebble morning nerd
tame carbon
morning # 2
lean pebble
Just wanted to confirm before I buy a cooler for my old i7 4770 cpu lga1150 and fclga1150 are the same right ?
I want to make it my backup / plex server at home
thick minnow
Just wanted to confirm before I buy a cooler for my old i7 4770 cpu lga1150 and ...
yup
clear igloo
wireguard doesnt work on most operating systems without installing third party s...
You mean aside from Android, iOS, Ubuntu/Debian, Fedora, Mageia, Arch, OpenSUSE, Slackware, Alpine, Gentoo, Exherbo, NixOS, Nix on Darwin, OpenWRT, Oracle Linux 7/87, RHEL7/8, CentOS7/8, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Termux, Void, MacOS, and Windows natively?
tame carbon
there's no wireguard on my windows machine, nor my android device
clear igloo
tame carbon
without installing third party software
things like always-on VPN on android
wont work with that app
@clear igloo I'd love for it to be supported natively
I would use it
clear igloo
Oh no, you need to install something! GASP!!
tame carbon
@clear igloo that's not the point
I use always-on VPN
on android that only works with L2TP
or at least, from my experience, thats the only one that allows for it
clear igloo
Well you'll be happy to know WG is in Android 12
tame carbon
Tell that to samsung ^^
tame carbon
:(
@clear igloo I will reinvestigate wireguard, soon as rOS v7 comes out
for now, L2TP/Ipsec serves me well enough
clear igloo
Yah, it stops passing traffic after 60 seconds with L2TP/IPSec
tame carbon
oh, really?
tame carbon
I had some issues on my old Nexus 5X with L2TP
but I narrowed that problem down to an ISP who doesnt use 1500 MTU
normally, not an issue
but these fuckers disabled MTU path discovery
clear igloo
ooof
tame carbon
@clear igloo and get this
there's no MTU config option on android...
on my laptop, there was.
so I could adjust it
clear igloo
lol, some version 😛
tame carbon
@clear igloo I use my phone for...
browsing
and calling
xD
I went through my app-happy days, a long time ago
clear igloo
Yah, same here, some clash of clans and that's it
tame carbon
now I have like 5-10 apps now
lean pebble
I used my phone for music in my car
tame carbon
I have a mandelbrot fractal viewer
clear igloo
I did forget about bluetooth to the car
peak cloak
don't you just love android bloatware you can't remove
tame carbon
@peak cloak facebook
peak cloak
ikr
tame carbon
@peak cloak but that will change soon
serene sparrow
Guys i’m planning on getting something like this on my pc... how do i get the antennas attached?
tame carbon
@serene sparrow you press them on
serene sparrow
Also i need an adapter
lean pebble
I don't have Facebook on my phone
serene sparrow
Don’t know which ones to get
lean pebble
I don't know my Facebook details 😆
tame carbon
@serene sparrow these are ment for laptops
serene sparrow
Someone suggested getting these
peak cloak
<@!314744374850355201> these are ment for laptops
I mean can't you just put in a m.2 slot?
tame carbon
@serene sparrow laptop antennas use that small circular connector
peak cloak
there are also pcie adapters for those
serene sparrow
So i’m better off just buying something like archer T4e or something?
tame carbon
@serene sparrow if you have a regular tower case, you should get a PCIe card
or a usb dongle xD
lean pebble
M.2 to sata adapter 😆
serene sparrow
or a usb dongle xD
Ghetto af
clear igloo
You can use an adapter
https://www.amazon.com/Desktop-Wireless-Network-Converter-Including/dp/B01MFGYAX6
serene sparrow
What i don’t get is why they always have a usb connector when there’s a pcie
clear igloo
<@!291198741862416384> lmfao lol what is that
NGFF to PCIe adapter 😛
clear igloo
What i don’t get is why they always have a usb connector when there’s a pcie
It's how it communicates with the board iirc
tame carbon
25 bucks for a T4E
clear igloo
Yah, i'd just go that route instead ^
tame carbon
@serene sparrow it uses PCIe for power only lol. its just a usb to sata interface
serene sparrow
<@!314744374850355201> it uses PCIe for power only lol. its just a usb to sata i...
Fugg dat shiz
Why would i even bother
It’s an m.2 bruh
tame carbon
its for laptops really
lean pebble
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076S9VK1M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_D5STDA2V0J1X57W5WBKW
That's sounds not a good option...
clear igloo
So you don't have to run long antennas inside the PC
lean pebble
My laptop rj45 died for no reason
tame carbon
signals are best outside of the case
serene sparrow
My laptop rj45 died for no reason
Oh yeah? Look at mine
clear igloo
You could get some of these:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07QG3CT4Z
but that's just more clutter imo
tame carbon
This gives me shivers all over.. soo good xD https://youtu.be/ZAwIaSCk1xM?t=307
lean pebble
Oh yeah? Look at mine
Mine just stopped working so I just left my laptop in his case
tame carbon
@clear igloo lol I remember that one time I tried jerry rigging my own console cable
stuck UTP leads onto a breadboard with an FTDI chip
and the other side into a switch
spent 20 minutes fucking around, until I realized I had a loose wire
serene sparrow
Mine just stopped working so I just left my laptop in his case
Are you german?
lean pebble
Not yet 😆
serene sparrow
Not yet?
serene sparrow
Whuat
lean pebble
Lol joking
serene sparrow
Nee das geht leider nicht
tame carbon
I've always learned, you first need to learn to love yourself before you love others
And then the germans
lean pebble
Lol
serene sparrow
Are you german?
Because you referred to a computer as “him” lol
tame carbon
@serene sparrow what state in germany are you from?
tame carbon
welches bundesland
tame carbon
but you live there, dont you?
lean pebble
I'm listening to German rock / metal I love it
lean pebble
xD
tame carbon
Lasted 5 days
@lean pebble even if it resulted in eventual loss, we still fucked up their machinery.
lean pebble
https://youtu.be/W3q8Od5qJio
I love this song
tame carbon
@lean pebble meh, that's not even his best one
lean pebble
Ik but I love it
lean pebble
I'm listening to music almost in every language except my language
serene sparrow
Need to learn some dutch
It’s just drunk german
lean pebble
Lol
tame carbon
@serene sparrow I happen to speak both dutch and german
lean pebble
Need to learn both
serene sparrow
Ik ben varkensvlees?
serene sparrow
Google translate my status message @tame carbon
lean pebble
I must put my switch on screws instead strong double sided glue 😆
lean pebble
<@!109801863771074560> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2zySjlVeXI
Long time not heard them
tame carbon
@lean pebble this is one of their classics
bit older
Its their collab album
"Friends on Mushrooms"
lean pebble
The first song I heard from them https://youtu.be/Z6hL6fkJ1_k 😆 that was the first ringtone on the Sony Ericson that my sister had in school
lean pebble
Ya
tame carbon
@lean pebble that video is bad quality
and its a radio edit
the original song is 8 minutes
radio edits make psytrance songs seem underwhelming
because there's no buildup
lean pebble
I know
tame carbon
@lean pebble see, when I listen to psytrance, I just close my eyes and use my imagination
lean pebble
Need re create my old playlist
tame carbon
be transported to a place like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PonLJ9kcq-o
xD
this was wicked ^
lean pebble
Lol
tame carbon
friend recorded this bit
lean pebble
Really?
tame carbon
psytrance raves ❤️
though, stupid pandemic xD
@lean pebble these kind of trance raves have gotten more common last few years
couple years ago there was maybe one once every couple months
up until before the pandmic, you could go to one every weekend
xD
serene sparrow
Is wifi 6 worth it?
tame carbon
if you have a wireless access point that supports it
serene sparrow
Or should i settle with wifi 5
serene sparrow
if you have a wireless access point that supports it
I’m gonna get a new AP soon when i change providers
serene sparrow
I’m on 4
serene sparrow
Because my ISP is cheap and the included AP doesn’t even have 5GHz
lean pebble
<@!109801863771074560> these kind of trance raves have gotten more common last f...
Do you know them ?
tame carbon
@lean pebble I'm not overly familair with metal
and it has lyrics
:3
I listen to music to work more productively, lyrics do the exact opposite for me
lusty hearth
is it a dumb idea to run games off a NAS
serene sparrow
Rush anyone? No?
lean pebble
Oh
lusty hearth
my current ancient hard drive is getting speeds of about 15MB/s 
tame carbon
@lusty hearth with gigabit networking you will be limited in speed
lean pebble
I have metal with hard to understand lyrics
lean pebble
I listen to music to work more productively, lyrics do the exact opposite for me
I'm listening to regular music to, for the same purpose
This kind of music only in car and training
Listening to meditation music to
tame carbon
@lean pebble lol but, meditation and rammstein are polar forces lol
they dont mesh that well
peak cloak
anyone know of a cheap low-power x86_64 board
like a pi, but x86
stupid scan usb drivers don't work on arm
burnt dagger
I have private internet access I want to hook up a domain with the pc that has the app on it.
I'm using domain.com
peak cloak
I have private internet access I want to hook up a domain with the pc that has t...
wdym
you can't host a service on PIA
or any vpn really
peak cloak
Maybe I did something wrong XD
wdym, it just won't work
PIA is NATed, is it not?
also why VPN?
burnt dagger
I have no idea because I host a discord bot for my friend and host a website.
peak cloak
So I really don't need it do i
do what?
burnt dagger
Have a VPN for my server pc.
I just host game servers and my website on it and his discord bot.
peak cloak
ok
burnt dagger
Ehh I'm to tired lol idk why I'm trying right now at 3am
peak cloak
Ehh I'm to tired lol idk why I'm trying right now at 3am
yeah idk what you are trying to do
dusty osprey
anyone know of a cheap low-power x86_64 board
LattePanda is x86
peak cloak
LattePanda is x86
interesting but pretty expensive
dusty osprey
Yea, agreed :p
https://all3dp.com/2/single-board-computer-x86-sbc/ maybe anything here
god some are expensive
sharp stone
can someone let me know if beamforming is a radio transmission technique?
or small cells
still unsure whether it is or not
thorny vector
You can beamform with more rf than just WiFi
sharp stone
i just need to know if it's a type of radio transmission technique that's all
thorny vector
Yes.
thorny vector
Although if it’s for something for you’re learning, you should probably also know how it works
sharp stone
Yeah it is I just need to make sure it is a radio transmission
thorny vector
And yes, sort of.
sharp stone
ok
so the other things like convergence, channel coding and edge computing are also radio transmission techniques I'm assuming?
I just need to choose a radio transmission technique for 5G but i don't know what types are there
clear igloo
Edge computing has nothing to do with wireless. It's about bringing the computing power closer to the end user to reduce latency
small cells are types of radio transmitters
sharp stone
oh not a radio transmission technique then?
what other radio transmission techniques are there? like a link i could look at or something?
or something i can search for
clear igloo
beam forming and MIMO
sharp stone
alright great thanks
lunar spade
Why are my Ethernet speeds at 15mbps on Ethernet
they normally run at 140-190mbps (150mbps plan)
Ping is still 1
lean pebble
can I connect between 2 routers with bgp?
peak cloak
can I connect between 2 routers with bgp?
You don't need bgp
Bgp is just to advertise iirc
You can just do static routes
Or the other thing, I forgot what it's called
hollow marlin
I mean yes, but it varies greatly on what you are trying to acheive
lean pebble
just curios
hexed kindle
Yes, use something like OSPF
lean pebble
lets say I have pfsense in cloud and my mtik I want to connect between them and make all my ipv6 traffice goes from there instead from my router can I do that?
lunar spade
Should i buy 300 internet for $120 or 750 for $140
Or is 150 enough (current) ($100)
lean pebble
I have better latency to my server thats why I don't want to enable he ipv6 at home
I want it to go straight from my router to my pfsense
lunar spade
For gaming mostly, downloading is the only time issues come up
Especially when 2 or more pc are downloading stuff
hollow marlin
I want it to go straight from my router to my pfsense
Just create a tunnel and a few static routes, no need for BGP
hexed kindle
@lean pebble I would create a static route in that case
hexed kindle
Not with your equipment
lean pebble
I have mikrotik hex-s
hexed kindle
@lunar spade why do you need the speed
hexed kindle
stay at 100
lean pebble
I switched fortigate to mtik
lunar spade
The internet really bottlenecks when 2 or more people download at the same time
hexed kindle
sounds like you have made your mind up then @lunar spade
lean pebble
Just create a tunnel and a few static routes, no need for BGP
can you help me with that?
lunar spade
Im just not really sure its worth it
Cause 100gb download on 3 systems will take less than 4 hours at worst
hollow marlin
can you help me with that?
nvm, im a dumb dumb
peak cloak
lets say I have pfsense in cloud and my mtik I want to connect between them and ...
Just use a tunnel
peak cloak
Between the 2 routers
hollow marlin
Does your pfsense box have a public v4 and v6 /56 already?
waxen scroll
what's bgp
hollow marlin
Look up GRE, build the tunnel on v4, then focus on v6
lean pebble
GRE I did it with centos and my old router
😛
what do you mean do it on v4 and focus on 6
internal v4 and external v6?
hollow marlin
Public v4 GRE tunnel, v6 will be routed over the tunnel
clear igloo
@hollow marlin Why no private MPLS circuit? 😛
coral vale
anyone know why but after a while of use the internet on my pc it just stops working on chrome and discord and just works on steam and then after a restart it works again and then its a loop
lean pebble
gn 🙂
lean pebble
Public v4 GRE tunnel, v6 will be routed over the tunnel
I'll try it tomorrow
lunar spade
why is broswing the web and discord really slow
doing a speed test shows 1 ping 700mbps both ways, i use ethernet
it was fast yesterday
wise sedge
what is DCC on my wifi router and should it be on or off?
waxen saddle
@coral vale If you are on Windows, try resetting the TCP stack. You’ll need to look up the command to do this.
lean pebble
hexed wedge
can someone recommend a modem/router for ~~ 100€
tame carbon
@hexed wedge what kind of features do you need?
I'm a big fan of mikrotik
they offer great value and reliability, as well as supporting a big featureset
tame carbon
only solution to good coverage = more antennas
tame carbon
@hexed wedge only realistic solution would be placing an access point on either side of the wall
and running a cable
there are solutions out there, to group these access points into a single network
Like, I have one in my bedroom and one in the living room
my phone always connects to the one closest
APs such as these: https://mikrotik.com/product/cap_ac
this is their latest wireless router for SOHO https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac3
You can augment them with those standalone APs
manage them all from a single device
though, these are wifi 5.
hexed wedge
do these need ethernet? @tame carbon
tame carbon
@hexed wedge wifi is wireless ethernet
so at some point, you have a cable that feeds them
tame carbon
Yes
hexed wedge
bruh
tame carbon
though they are capable of mesh networking
I wouldn't ever use them in that configuration
since mesh makes wifi even more broken than it already is
This is nice on paper
but in reality, its slower, has higher latency and is less reliable (packet loss)
thick minnow
Would you guys and gals prefer the Ubiquiti EdgeRouter X or the Unifi Security Gateway?
tame carbon
unifi now requires always-online internet
rocky badge
it does not
tame carbon
@rocky badge latest update
rocky badge
not for the ER-X or USG
rocky badge
Would you guys and gals prefer the Ubiquiti EdgeRouter X or the Unifi Security G...
Depends on what other stuff you have, want to get, and what you're comfortable with
tame carbon
and what other equipment you already own
rocky badge
tame carbon
technically it doesn't matter, but for ease of use
thick minnow
Those are the only two Ubiquiti things I own.
rocky badge
Are you comfortable with CLI or do you prefer GUI
thick minnow
GUI for sure.
tame carbon
I use either
thick minnow
Although, I have been using the ER-X for quite a while now.
rocky badge
UniFi is more GUI friendly, EdgeOS can be configured purely through GUI but some features are annoying to configure via the GUI
tame carbon
though I am not at all familair with Unifi
all I heard from other people was that the router featureset is somewhat limited when compared to other vendors
or the firewall, can't remember
I wouldnt buy them, too expensive
rocky badge
Since most advanced EdgeOS are configurable through the CLI or JSON tree only
tame carbon
any documentation usually expects CLI too
rocky badge
The GUI is fine for interfaces & VLANs, firewalling, NAT, DHCP server config, RIP, BGP, OSPF, etc
tame carbon
like mikrotik, its nice to have a GUI and all, but sharing info is all CLI
rocky badge
but anything beyond that its in the JSON tree via the GUI or CLI
tame carbon
I like it as a quick overview
@rocky badge lol so my ISP routes a /29 through some odd internal network from my ISP, to my WAN.
And the information they gave me, I have to surrender one host, to be my router on that subnet
but I figured out, I can just use NAT on that router's IP, to still make use of it :D
peak cloak
Would you guys and gals prefer the Ubiquiti EdgeRouter X or the Unifi Security G...
Erx
It can be a pain with the gui sometimes
But I mostly just use the cli now
No unifi controller bs
thick minnow
Gotcha. Which of the two is more secure?
I actually bought the USG thinking it was like a stand alone Firewall device, but it turns out it is also a router hahaha.
peak cloak
I mean it depends on how you set them up
Although the erx speeds would start to suffer with lots of firewall rules
thick minnow
Gotcha. I haven't learned how to use firewall rules yet.
peak cloak
same with the USG, it will slow down with more firewall rules as well
the same with any router
hollow marlin
<@!236237361703288842> lol so my ISP routes a /29 through some odd internal netw...
That's normal. Some will give the option to hand out a private and static route the /29 to you so you can use the entire block
eager veldt
Anybody use Engenius APs at home?
little schooner
Meee @eager veldt
eager veldt
I just bought a EWS357AP for my house. Been using Ubiquiti for the last 2.5 years. Bought a U6-Lite to replace the AP-AC-LR that quit working and it's been very disappointing.
Which ones do you have?
waxen saddle
I have the Ubiquiti WiFi mesh and have had zero problems with it. Gets great coverage too for my whole 2-story house.
waxen scroll
I have ubnt. Nothing but solid performance and reliability.
eager veldt
U6-Lite i bought had issues with WiFi scheduling when I first got it. Any ssid with scheduling enabled wouldn't broadcast. Got on forums and email support for help. Ended up having to create a new site for wifi scheduling to work. I'm still having connection issues with it though. Lots of high TCP latency with devices and WPA authentication issues still going on with it.
Makes me sad since my old Ubiquiti AP worked flawlessly for 2.5 yrs before it died.
little schooner
I hated ubnt's ap instability
flex-hd i dont recommend
Their unifi AP AC pros seem to be fine.
@rocky badge Was never able to get that 802.1X radius bug fixed on the unifi ap. Switched in the engenius and worked straight out of the box with the same configuration
Like, its not that hard, I don't understand why Unifi AP can't handle it
rocky badge
I have 802.1X working lol
eager veldt
The AP-AC-LR was great. U6 isn't. Seems like they take to long to iron things out. Thus the Engenius buy.
little schooner
hmm
but then i wonder why it just works with just certs on engenius
Whats different
wish i knew
rocky badge
Different vendor implementations? ¯_(ツ)_/¯
little schooner
The AP-AC-LR was great. U6 isn't. Seems like they take to long to iron things ou...
My dad has the AC LR. He's loving it
coverage everywhere in the house. Mounted in the center of his house
little schooner
I got that third one for the backyard
eager veldt
My AC-LR just stopped working one night. Couldn't reload firmware via tftp for recovery either. Wouldn't see it with discovery tool either
rocky badge
"garage" AP also covers the living room....since the garage is below the living room
little schooner
nice nice
rocky badge
Porch AP also covers the kitchen since the back porch is right off the kitchen
Hallway AP covers my end of the house whatever the garage AP and porch AP don't
Because I turned down the Tx power
To help with roaming lol
Other iOS/Android doesn't decide to roam
little schooner
Other iOS/Android doesn't decide to roam
yeah i noticed that too
eager veldt
I've got about 1700 sq ft on a single floor to cover. One AP works fine.
rocky badge
Our walls are plaster and thick 😦
eager veldt
Standard stick and Sheetrock here
rocky badge
our house is old... lol
eager veldt
Well, I'll have everything the first week of March.
peak cloak
I've got about 1700 sq ft on a single floor to cover. One AP works fine.
yep, same here I have tp-link omada EAP225
serene sparrow
can someone explain to me how ISPs limit our bandwidth
it's not in the modem right?
sullen elm
Let's see who knows about netwroking
What should the Subnet be when the IP is 10.20.0.2
hollow marlin
Depends on the mask