Content delivery is another big one.
#networking
thick minnow
Not literal high quality I meant high production value
lean pebble
It is when you rent it
tame carbon
to optimize delivery to every viewer
tame carbon
@thick minnow and you are from.. america?
Because if you are: I can already say: its not gonna happen
thick minnow
yep I’m a proud patriot
tame carbon
without net neutrality you wont be able to do anything.
autumn ether
I'm pretty sure they do. There's even a toggle on each proxieable record whether you wanna proxy it or just use CF as dns.
peak cloak
I'm pretty sure they do. There's even a toggle on each proxieable record whether...
yeah only for http traffic
I used cloudflare before
autumn ether
aah
peak cloak
lean pebble
Long time ago before spectrum was released you could proxy minecraft servers behind cf with srv not now
thick minnow
The idea I had in mind was for it to get big enough so a big company sees it or it gets to point where I can’t handle it anymore than a big company buys it
autumn ether
why would you want to proxy game servers anyway, wouldn't that introduce lag? I understand http proxy-ing/cache, but game servers?
peak cloak
why would you want to proxy game servers anyway, wouldn't that introduce lag? I ...
to hide your IP
tame carbon
@lean pebble 
I just logged in. Checked status of my cotton farm
https://i.imgur.com/OYSMwPp.jpeg
chest has 27k string
lean pebble
Gosh
dusty osprey
wth pams harvest craft
tame carbon
@dusty osprey yessir
autumn ether
would it actually introduce lag tho, or would that be negligeble?
tame carbon
@autumn ether minecraft community is toxic. So people with DDoS tools are also around
lean pebble
It reduces it but not as much as you think
tame carbon
@autumn ether if you run a public server, you really want to have some form of protection against that
lean pebble
Depends if you had a close cloudflare hope near you
lean pebble
My css server had 45gbit attack
dusty osprey
MC servers get ddos'ed a lot yes but then my MC server never got ddos'ed 😂
tame carbon
@dusty osprey it depends on the audience
lean pebble
From the stupid "gaming communities" here
autumn ether
My css server had 45gbit attack
okay this is the first time ever I hear about separate css servers. Can you elaborate why
tame carbon
@dusty osprey we had a guy trying to get on our development team, to steal our sourcecode.
lean pebble
okay this is the first time ever I hear about separate css servers. Can you elab...
Counter strike source
tame carbon
@dusty osprey I traced his name to some public listing for a server, connected to his own server. They had stolen our map.
autumn ether
Oooooh lmao 🤦♂️ not old enough xD
lean pebble
Lol
tame carbon
So they were now trying to get our plugin sourcecode
I banned the guy, and then he ddosed us
dusty osprey
ah, need to mention my server was a graveyard xD its not public
lean pebble
Oooooh lmao 🤦♂️ not old enough xD
Lol
tame carbon
@dusty osprey we have 45k registered members :3
dusty osprey
well that makes sense :p
tame carbon
so small medium size
thick minnow
Well I’m gonna try to make my steaming service so wish me luck
tame carbon
in 2016-2017, seeing 100+ people online was normal for us
autumn ether
Well I’m gonna try to make my steaming service so wish me luck
good luck, me and a friend of mine tried getting one up so we could help (and profit off) local companies in during height of covid (like a local bakery streaming baking tutorials) but we both quickly realized just how much live video streaming costs. (pre-recorded streaming is significantly easier tho). it's honestly insane yt and especially twitch manage to stay profitable
tame carbon
nah
lean pebble
I had one of the biggest bhop servers in Israel in counter strike source that's why the other here ddossed it
tame carbon
the area around my house is so beautiful
lean pebble
They thought that I will join them after they ddossed us
tame carbon
butterflies :D
there's 100s of them... I'm starting to get worried they will cause lag lmao
lean pebble
there's 100s of them... I'm starting to get worried they will cause lag lmao
Let us join the server
There is a real domain that end in gg?
thorny vector
There is a real domain that end in gg?
yep. through my registrar its about 100usd/year
cedar igloo
any vsphere/ubuntu experts out there who can point me in the right direction for creating my own custom Ubuntu Cloud images that accept vApp properties (as seen in the image)?
the one i am using is published by Ubuntu, but there is some different properties i am wanting to set on first boot too
autumn ether
There is a real domain that end in gg?
mc.ltt.gg or did I miss the joke?
lean pebble
This why I asked because this is the only domain I ever saw with gg ending
peak cloak
discord.gg exists
thorny vector
@cedar igloo Take the cloud image, then you can use cubic to seed it with all the apps you need. No need to try to make a random image gain vapp properties
autumn ether
there (used to be?) a guild/forum/socialmedia style website that ended in gg as well, don't remember the name
apparently they rebranded and now compete with discord lol
peak cloak
thorny vector
@cedar igloo also https://cplatform99.blogspot.com/2020/10/how-to-build-ubuntu-server-2004-lts-ova.html
vale jacinth
Guys i need help with my laptop network
Already connected but why there is no internet
autumn ether
and it's not even showing the "!". how irrititating. Can you access stuff on your local network at all? Is only the internet the issue?
vale jacinth
and it's not even showing the "!". how irrititating. Can you access stuff on you...
Yes only the internet
So i typed ( netsh winsock reset) In cmd
peak cloak
smells like DNS
peak cloak
So i typed ( netsh winsock reset) In cmd
can you ping 1.1.1.1
vale jacinth
U mean network settings
peak cloak
if not, type ipconfig /all
vale jacinth
autumn ether
you see change adapter options at the bottom? there. and do what monkey says too
peak cloak
new windows settings suck
vale jacinth
I ping it
vale jacinth
What should i do
vale jacinth
can you access sites
No
peak cloak
ok so 99% sure this is DNS
peak cloak
change your DNS server to 1.1.1.1 and/or 8.8.8.8
vale jacinth
How
autumn ether
in those options I told you about, click on "Change adapter options"
should be there
autumn ether
can you screenshot? I'm on a Mac, don't remember them by heart
vale jacinth
autumn ether
actually https://1.1.1.1/dns/ here are some instructions
vale jacinth
I dont see a problem here
Then why i cant access every site
autumn ether
double click on the wifi in adapter options. Click on properties. Click on Internet Protocol Version 4. Screenshot what it shows
tame carbon
sometimes if a link is congested
or a peer with your ISP drops down
can happen that you can't access some times
do you always have 200ms+ ping?
vale jacinth
Sometimes
vale jacinth
I dont know how to do these stuff
tame carbon
tracert 1.1.1.1
vale jacinth
In cmd ?
autumn ether
yes
tame carbon
run that yes
vale jacinth
My ip showed up should i screen ?
vale jacinth
U wanna a screenshot ?
tame carbon
yes
autumn ether
double click on the wifi in adapter options. Click on properties. Click on Inter...
also screenshot what I asked about the adapter's ipv4 settings ^
vale jacinth
tame carbon
@vale jacinth yeah
in there
just click on "Use the follow DNS Servers"
@autumn ether his route to 1.1.1.1 is terrible
it uses amsterdam as endpoint
even though that's halfway across the globe
@vale jacinth check your ping to 8.8.8.8 (google dns) and also compare that to 208.67.222.222 (open DNS)
vale jacinth
190ms and timed out once
tame carbon
ew
@vale jacinth alright, so to use google dns, in that sceenshot you sent, click on "Use the following DNS servers"
and enter
vale jacinth
8.8.8.8 is my only option
tame carbon
8.8.8.8
and on the secondary server:
8.8.4.4
vale jacinth
Still no internet
peak cloak
I mean, you have internet just websites aren't loading
vale jacinth
Yea
peak cloak
idk what else could be the issue
tame carbon
@vale jacinth can you load google?
vale jacinth
No
peak cloak
tame carbon
you can also reach their webserver
peak cloak
does that load
tame carbon
I mean, it loads google for me, but only after I accept the certificate error
vale jacinth
http://172.217.12.142
No
tame carbon
ur browser is fucked
lean pebble
Smells like ISP problem
peak cloak
@tame carbon I wish I could use curl in this situation
tame carbon
@peak cloak
peak cloak
what's the windows alternative
tame carbon
idk
vale jacinth
So should i format my laptop ?
peak cloak
wtf, no
vale jacinth
Yes
peak cloak
so not ISP
tame carbon
@peak cloak windows network stack blew up?
lean pebble
Reboot your pc
peak cloak
ok, did you restart windows
vale jacinth
Well how i talk to u now if it dont
peak cloak
mobile data
peak cloak
windows tech support question #1, did you restart
tame carbon
fuck me, that would be so boring
vale jacinth
I will try
lean pebble
fuck me, that would be so boring
Lol ya no FTB
vale jacinth
😔
hollow marlin
Can you screen shot and share your ipconfig /all before just wiping your PC
vale jacinth
Thx for help guys
vale jacinth
Can you screen shot and share your `ipconfig /all` before just wiping your PC
Doesn’t matter I’m done
little schooner
@waxen scroll I don't like it when vendor support says they want to setup a remote session meeting to troubleshoot an issue and then say they can't help me. I have two different appliances linked, and as soon as we left the first appliance GUI, he said I need to get the other team involved.
What a waste of time. An email and support asking for screenshots is just as efficient. I can even send them a video file but they insist remote access and live call for even basic questions that an email can solve.
hollow marlin
<@186123993412141057> I don't like it when vendor support says they want to setu...
Look at Xeon getting into vendor meets now, they grow up so fast 😩
thorny vector
I went to a vendor meet the other day too, actually. They were talking some maaaaad bs about machine learning
@little schooner Did they bring an engineer? I've found if a sales team shows up without a backend guy, its a waste of time.
little schooner
They didn't but yeah I agree with you @thorny vector
Need to throw them those tough technical questions
waxen scroll
@hollow marlin hes so impatent
i get paid for letting the vendor do this or that
its also a break from working
thorny vector
The sales team that came to us said that their ai could get 97% confidence with just 200 samples
😂
waxen scroll
you know how to get an ai with 99% in only a few samples?
thorny vector
Overfit?
waxen scroll
if i tell you be careful not to tell your bosses
You ever see these huge companies going AI this and AI that? Let's see.... TATA Consulting, KPMG, HPe, Cognizant, Verizon, ATT... I could go on
you know how they achieve that?
The AI is a human in Bangalore
paid peanuts but way more accurate than a computer AI
however some companies be like I want to replace out highly skilled american employees with AIs
it doesnt work when you need thinking done
if you need to identify a stop sign, OK
a highly complex network? well......
@clear igloo 
thorny vector
Can’t bring outsourced humans into a SCIF.
waxen scroll
right you dont
you contract the company and the contractors work at that company instead of yours
thorny vector
I’d like to see a human keep up with packet flow while doing full content analysis
autumn ether
assembly line of 60 people in Bangalore, everyone gets a second of packets with 1 minute to analyze it 
thorny vector
Lol, I’d pay to see that. Especially since usually we’re looking for novel stuff
Or bits of machine code sprinkled throughout.
autumn ether
scale horizontally, more people with smaller timeshares of packets
lag would be 60,000ms tho, cuz you need to give the people a minute to analyze the packets 🤣
thorny vector
Wouldn’t work either. Sometimes what’s needed is a bigger picture of what’s going on. Once caught a DNS exfil that was using base64 requests spread out over semi-random periods of time
autumn ether
DNS exfil
can you elaborate, what is that. quick rough googling shows something about hostnames, but those are exposed when confirming mail anyway
thorny vector
Using DNS requests, sneaking out data by putting it in the requests.
autumn ether
How does that even work, DNS is separate server from the host it points to I am just too used to Cloudflare
thorny vector
By pointing to the right dns server, that just happens to be compromised. Or by having a listener somewhere else that doesn’t care about any reply.
waxen scroll
thats how facebook and twitter work
they have 4 seconds to determine if content is racist
then they move on
thats great AI
very fast.
thorny vector
Doing it live is a nightmare. Usually what happens is we catch it on the backend from network metadata, then go look at stored pcaps
autumn ether
Question - when hosting a website is there any point to running your own BIND DNS config on your own machine? I just disable it for my websites and use Cloudflare.
waxen scroll
running your own DNS opens you up as a ddos target
thorny vector
Faster control over DNS records, for sure knowledge of what those DNS records are.
tame carbon
I doubt your service provider will allow you to host a dns server on port 53
its frowned upon
thorny vector
Surprisingly Xfinity does.
tame carbon
illconfigured dns servers can be used to amplify DoS attacks
waxen scroll
my company hosts DNS but they use a 3rd party to hide their servers and cache it
autumn ether
Like Virtualmin/Webmin comes with a dns server, but I don't really use it for my websites, was wondering if that was a good idea or not
thorny vector
Local data or no data. I only use VPS’s for blind vpn exits.
autumn ether
Local data or no data. I only use VPS’s for blind vpn exits.
one day, I'll get rich and pay for a business internet connection with a static IP, and locally self-host all the things
But until then, a VPS it is
jaunty talon
Unless you have a reason for running your own DNS-server(s) I would advice against it!
Most who does that, do it because they dont want "big corps" to have their DNS-zones
autumn ether
and it's not like I need a local DNS server for email to work?
jaunty talon
nope
peak cloak
I technically self-host local dns
autumn ether
Aight, I'll completely disable the module then, good to know I was on the right track
thorny vector
@jaunty talon run a full “business” stack. Mainly did it to mirror what some of our customers have, also to self host everything. Not going to lie though, if my mail server went down, I would not rebuild that hellspawn
peak cloak
You need rDNS for email?
autumn ether
I technically self-host local dns
technically doesn't everyone self-host local DNS? (isn't a router technically a DNS server, in how it works?)
peak cloak
no
autumn ether
well pihole still counts 😾
peak cloak
most routers have a local DNS server
but a router technically is just a router
it routes between subnets
jaunty talon
@autumn ether dns-server as in hosting zones is one thing and resolver is one thing
jaunty talon
HE is a good solution for hidden-master
waxen scroll
akamai > cloudflare
jaunty talon
where you have a dns-server running on a VPS but HE takes all the queries
akamai also cost 1000x more than CF :P
autumn ether
but cloudflare is cool and hip ^^
waxen scroll
yep but it just works. doesnt take the net down like CF either
i use their anti ddos and DNS solutions
jaunty talon
I would say that CF works as good as akamai
peak cloak
idk I used to use cloudflare, but eh I want a simple DNS server
thorny vector
@jaunty talon just realized who you are. Wanna say I’ve been very impressed by y’all’s use of rust building gpu libraries.
peak cloak
that's why I now use HE dns
jaunty talon
@thorny vector thanks :)
autumn ether
akamai also cost 1000x more than CF :P
that comparison doesn't work because cloudflare starts at 0, and 1000*0 is still 0, and akamai has no free tier #funatparties
jaunty talon
we put a lot of efforts into opensource
@autumn ether you can pay for CF
and they're still 1000x cheaper than akamai
thorny vector
Haven’t dove into it too much to be honest. Are y’all implementing ROCm and CUDA support?
jaunty talon
For sure
waxen scroll
@thorny vector you should be more impressed that he spine/leaf'd the user layer
thorny vector
I care more about GPU’s for computational work.
autumn ether
Tbh it's really interested how Nvidia "locked" quite a few industries in with cuda.
thorny vector
Wanna just slap it onto a database and let it go brrrrrr. Yeah, but you’re doing novel stuff with rust. And the drawing people in with support with pretty pixels will eventually lead to other implementations
That’s what get me excited.
jaunty talon
true :)
thorny vector
Been trying to figure out a way to get an data indexer I use (Splunk) to use gpu’s for sequential indexing. But so far there’s really only machine learning style data transformation. Useful, but in multi billion data sets, even our best CPU’s start slogging.
autumn ether
Can I map subdomains to ports but keep the pretty url?
eg admin.lavrenov.io --> lavrenov.io:10000 but in the browser it visually stays admin.lavrenov.io?
waxen scroll
yes, with a NAT
but that means you cant have port 80/443 with your main domain if thats a separate server (no virtual host)
autumn ether
it's all on the same VPS
thorny vector
You’d be better off with a reverse proxy and url rewriting.
jaunty talon
indeed, just have nginx do the job for you
autumn ether
so if I set up LEMP it'd be something like
server_name admin.lavrenov.io;
location / {
proxy_pass https://lavrenov:10000;
proxy_redirect off;
}
?
autumn ether
given the :10000 port is an administrator panel for the server, is this a good/secure idea to do? it has SSL, and in fact SSL only
jaunty talon
or well, make sure that whatever you run on TCP/10000 has SSL
autumn ether
so as long as it has SSL I can reverse proxy to my heart's content?
jaunty talon
well i would have ssl on admin.lavrenov.io also
else traffic between you and admin.lavrenov.io will be unencrypted
autumn ether
yeah ofc
thorny vector
Anything can be ssl. The protocol is not tied to any port.
autumn ether
imma try to set up a vps with virtualmin and nginx, gonna test
thorny vector
Heck, you can do ssl on port 80 if you really want to flub some people up.
autumn ether
but looking at the configuration that does look damn easier to understand than apache
if you have SSL configured, is actually closing port 80 a good idea? if your website always redirects to https:// (443) anyway, is there a point to even using port 80?
thorny vector
No, it will mess hardcore with anything that defaults https to 443 and http to 80
autumn ether
hmm kk
thorny vector
You need 80 open for the redirect if it defaults to http first.
autumn ether
Man, redhat really fucked everyone over. All the VPS providers have pre-configured virtualmin packages for CentOS, but I dont wanna use them because end of life, so I'm stuck installing and configuring it myself on ubuntu 20.04
shakes fist angrily at redhat
thorny vector
Or don’t use webmin. It continually has CVE after CVE added for it
Web access to system controls is a bad idea.
autumn ether
in theory I agree with you, but I dont have the time nor will to spend a few weeks figuring out how to do it all in command line
autumn ether
I'm trying to achieve hall of fame status on internet.nl with my website (100% on the website test and email test)
the website isn't that much of an issue, I got apache done right (tho I'll have to redo it cuz switching to nginx)
but the email... uugh
autumn ether
It wont just be a single website, it'll be a lot of different ones later on
and that's a lot easier to set up and more importantly manage through a webpanel
thorny vector
I think you’d find a lot of people that would disagree on that point.
peak cloak
yeah, tbh I find managing my mc server is just easier via cli
autumn ether
I'm of the mind that I live in the 21st century, I should make use of dem big screens with lots of colors. I know I'm in the minority within the developer/admin people, but I still like and prefer to use GUIs where I can
the server wont have any secure data like credit cards or something running through it, it's just gonna be a host for a portfolio website of me and some friends, alongside some demos of projects, dont much care about security
thorny vector
GUIs are great in some situations. The reason the CLI sticks around is because you can parse a lot of information extremely quickly, run things quickly, and query quickly. A GUI adds overhead that adds to time
autumn ether
the issue I have with CLI is required time investment to learn it. When you know it it for sure is faster.
But setting up virtualmin took me a couple of hours with a GUI. I'd still be here if I tried setting it all up with a CLI
How do you set up ssh key authentication? Like I generate a public and private key.
Which do I upload to the VPS?
How do I use the key instead of username/password?
thorny vector
You put the public key inside -home/.ssh/authorized_keys. Then you change the sshd_config to use keys
autumn ether
You put the public key inside -home/.ssh/authorized_keys. Then you change the ss...
on the VPS?
thorny vector
Yes
autumn ether
... once I am SSH's into the VPS's terminal, how do I copy local (from my computer) files to it 🤔? Need to upload that certificate somehow
peak cloak
... once I am SSH's into the VPS's terminal, how do I copy local (from my comput...
Scp
Or on Linux, ssh-copy-id
thorny vector
Or just paste in the public key. Should only be like 128 chars
rocky badge
mkdir -p ~/.ssh && echo ssh-rsa ... username >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys && chmod -R go= ~/.ssh
That's what I do, I have a Termius snippet to add my public key for hosts that don't have my public key on them lol
autumn ether
Woo it works! Thanks guys got it configured
I found out you could use ssh-copy-id remote_username@server_ip_address, so I didn't have to create or edit files manually
which was nice
plucky berry
In terms of Protocols, what is the defined function of TCP? I'm aware it is a reliability protocol to ensure the delivery of packets and to redeliver them if lost, but is IP the actual transmission protocol and TCP & IP work in conjunction with eachother, hence TCP/IP? So when TCP is mentioned as a transmission protocol without IP, IP is entailed aswell?
peak cloak
In terms of Protocols, what is the defined function of TCP? I'm aware it is a re...
IP is Layer 3, TCP is layer 4
peak cloak
In terms of Protocols, what is the defined function of TCP? I'm aware it is a re...
when tcp is mentioned that means over IP usually, there are 2 IP protcols, IPv4 and IPv6
plucky berry
Ah yes the OSI model, I will admit my lecturers in college haven't done the best job at explaining it
little schooner
Ah yes the OSI model, I will admit my lecturers in college haven't done the best...
my instructor skipped over ipv6 entirely
he didnt want students to drop the course
plucky berry
IPv6 isint too important as i come to understand as it's not widely implemented no?
little schooner
i've seen isp, like comcast, adopt it more but yes, at my work network, its still all ipv4
peak cloak
IPv6 isint too important as i come to understand as it's not widely implemented ...
oh no, it's very important
tbh not that complicated
little schooner
whats complicated is that there is still gear in use that doesnt have good ipv6 support
peak cloak
yep
tbh setting up ipv6 on my edgerouter was pretty easy
just enable router-advert and specify the prefix
and then just give the router interface an ipv6 address
so router-advert 2001:470:____:111::/64
and then give the router on the LAN side the ip of 2001:470:____:111::1/64
little schooner
yeah that sounds very easy
peak cloak
and then just some thing like route all ipv6 over tun0
and then setting up the tunnel, but HE gave you all the config you needed
then I had to do a bunch of troubleshooting why it was so slow, but it was just the routers fault
turns out when you have hardware acceleration enabled for NAT ipv6 basically doesn't work, it's like kbps
when you turn it off, it's much better
plucky berry
I'm assuming a prime reason it hasn't been implemented yet is because IPv4 hasn't reached its limit yet and it's so widely integrated and implemented plus IPv6 addresses (in my opinion) are damn ugly and hard to read.
But like overall it is better
peak cloak
I mean they are ugly, but I guess it would be better than a bunch of longer numbers
what other alternatives are there
sadly NAT will always exist
lean pebble
Funny I saw in my friend house that his ISP gives both
V6 and v4 but whatismyip only shows v4 while the router have ipv6 to and his pc have ipv6 to
little schooner
NAT for IPv6
peak cloak
ipv6 NAT is stupid
thorny vector
Hey, @hollow marlin , when was ipv6 supposed to be fully implemented? lol
hollow marlin
20 years ago
peak cloak
Urgh
I want multiple public ips
For now my tunnel is broken because my router can't route ipv6 with HWNAT enabled
lean pebble
Lol
thorny vector
Just got told by my team lead that its great the network sensor I'm making works great on ubuntu. Now port it to centos
-_-
thick minnow
woah dont ddos me sir
waxen saddle
Portability is a sign of a robust suite.
thorny vector
Its a suite, not a program
hollow marlin
V6 and v4 but whatismyip only shows v4 while the router have ipv6 to and his pc ...
Its all based on what DNS record gets resolved first
thorny vector
DNS poisoning anyone?
If it’s gigabit, you’ll be fine.
I doubt you’d be able to saturate it’s full switching capability
Any switch can only process so many packets at once. So a gigabit switch could only have a couple gigabits of throughput, or upwards of 10,20,etc
So say you have a switch with 8 gigabit ports. If you only have 2 gigabits of throughput on a switch, if you tried to fully saturate each port with a gigabit worth of traffic, you’d only be able to get 250mbps on each port.
Yeah.
hollow marlin
@waxen scroll Also had damage photos
waxen scroll
OOF
primal ice
its a climbing peg right!
little schooner
oof yeah I dont want that to be me.
they dont let me in the network closet at all anymore
it became a sacred place once the it department lost staff resources
they dont have enough ppl in case of a network recovery emergency or something
primal ice
router model?
sweet pawn
tp link
primal ice
thats a brand
primal ice
https://www.tp-link.com/eg/support/faq/1379/ @sweet pawn
primal ice
service port would be the port you want open on the public IP. Internal port is the port you want to respond on your LAN - IP is the LAN IP of the device you want to respond.
thick minnow
I just came into a problem there are no stadium manager games dose anyone want to help me create a game where you can build and manage a stadium and expand over time
sweet pawn
Ah, so LAN ip/private ip 👍
primal ice
Ah, so LAN ip/private ip 👍
yes
primal ice
I just came into a problem there are no stadium manager games dose anyone want t...
think I would rather play https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SimAnt
thick minnow
think I would rather play https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SimAnt
No thanks but thanks for the suggestion
dim willow
thick minnow
@tame carbon I'm gonna start work on my plex server but I wanna know which Linux distro would you recommend to run on it? (btw sorry for the ping)
primal ice
fedora 33 :p
any you want. really I'm sure there is a guide tutorial some where to do it.. Mint (whatever version)
tame carbon
@thick minnow I recommend any debian distribution
Finding help for those online is generally easy
Ubuntu comes with sensible defaults, and generally the easiest for anyone getting into linux
Ubuntu is based on debian
primal ice
so is mint :p
primal ice
sure I did for awhile. then ubuntu then fedora server.
thick minnow
Thanks guys
tame carbon
@primal ice Only reason to run fedora, is the bleeding edge.
Fedora is one of those distros that sits ontop of the kernel release cycle
updating regularly
tame carbon
@lean pebble CentOS is dead.
radiant shell
@lean pebble I suggest you have a read you if you are fan of centos https://www.theregister.com/2021/01/26/killing_centos/
lean pebble
<@!109801863771074560> I suggest you have a read you if you are fan of centos ht...
I already knew that
tame carbon
@radiant shell CentOS was the first distro I ever used
but I'm glad I found debian.
system layout and package distribution I just prefer
radiant shell
It was the first I used aswell, however I pretty much just use Ubuntu now
tame carbon
@radiant shell yah
most third party software you might want to install, is often either provided as a generic linux binary
or as a debian package
more often than not, I have noticed sites giving you either .deb or .tar.gz, but rarely all three with .rpm combined
@radiant shell and then ofcourse, there's those people who use snap or flatpak
which defeats the whole purpose of a package manager
lean pebble
Lol
Discord is little broken in Fedora so I use the binary instead repo
I used flatpack for discord than just removed it and back to binary , tar.gz and run it ./discord
Then ctl + d
The fist distro I used was Debian
Then moved to centos and fedora
thick minnow
I feel like this channel is just a cover for the real channel: The linux channel
tame carbon
@thick minnow you're not wrong
This is the only place where windows is secondary
and most things posted here, assume you run linux :3
tame carbon
what are your requirements?
heavy vapor
well i just recently built my gaming pc
im a network engineering student
so i wanna get into the field now
i graduate in 6 months.
so id love to build a server
tame carbon
For a home lab?
@heavy vapor case is really the only difference
and board formats
you can buy server cases with a motherboard preinstalled
I DIY'd the crap out of that once, buying a random 2U case and putting a mini ITX board inside
Professional would be buying a pre-assembled system
but that is very expensive
you could also buy used servers from ebay, and give them an upgrade
peak cloak
so id love to build a server
tbh my server is just an optiplex
tame carbon
difference between a server and a regular computer, fundamentally
heavy vapor
check this out
tame carbon
is just the machine being on 24/7
tame carbon
and running services, instead of clients
heavy vapor
im in Vancouver BC Canada based IT student
peak cloak
yeah older computers are great for beginner server
heavy vapor
with my diploma will i make good money in IT ?
tame carbon
@heavy vapor I'm not certified as a network engineer. I came into this from a software development background
heavy vapor
nice
tame carbon
the need to run servers
heavy vapor
so you can teach me powershell xD?
clear igloo
Diploma only gets you past the HR bots
clear igloo
If you can talk to what you've learned then you'll make good money
heavy vapor
i don't have money for degree brother
clear igloo
well I mean program of any kind
heavy vapor
can't i build mini ITX server?
tame carbon
idk, to me people who work with computers and can't program, are not as skilled as they could be
heavy vapor
so you think i should also learn programming?
tame carbon
but that mostly has to do with the level of ignorance of processes and underlying architecture
clear igloo
You can build anything and make it a server or you could get a used Dell R620 or something for cheap
tame carbon
but this is no criticism for you @heavy vapor
tame carbon
Cool :D
heavy vapor
the more knowledge the better
clear igloo
so you think i should also learn programming?
I'd suggest python if you want to start. Networking sees a lot of python needs
heavy vapor
and in IT its always learning new things
peak cloak
I'm just a HS student myself, but tbh getting experience by doing seems a good way to go
tame carbon
@heavy vapor I went the budget route. Building a Ryzen system on AM4
and Mini ITX is not ideal for a server
heavy vapor
hmm i see
tame carbon
since you only get a single 16x PCIe slot
heavy vapor
oh
tame carbon
ideally, you want mATX or FlexATX
tame carbon
I have three in front of me :3
heavy vapor
xd
peak cloak
I have 2
heavy vapor
i have a 27 inch monitor
peak cloak
although I have like 3 extra moniters in storage because I don't have space for them
clear igloo
I have 3 27" in the office, 1 32" at home
tame carbon
@heavy vapor its just like a regular computer :3
heavy vapor
for my own needs for fun
tame carbon
Servers aren't that much different
heavy vapor
so i can learn with network swtiches etc etc
peak cloak
server is just a computer
lean pebble
3200$ is 10367.364 ILS
heavy vapor
x_x
peak cloak
so i can learn with network swtiches etc etc
get yourself a good router, aka a HEX or an ER-X (that's what I have)
clear igloo
@heavy vapor Dell R620 with 64GB of RAM, ESXi (free) and toss as many VMs as you want on there
tame carbon
@heavy vapor take a computer, turn it on, install linux on it
Then you take a piece of paper, roll it up into a makeshift wand
Wave it at the computer. poof its now a server
lean pebble
15.3TB SSD
heavy vapor
LULZ
ahhahaa
ok
maybe i should find something on facebook market place like a desktop
and turn it into a server?
tame carbon
@heavy vapor if you need to run windows only software, use a virtual machine on linux 
thick minnow
Yea or if you have an old pc just lying about, you can use that as well
lean pebble
peak cloak
maybe i should find something on facebook market place like a desktop
used is great, found my rack for 50 bucks
tame carbon
That's a $45 single board computer
with 4GB ram (up to 8 if you want) with a quadcore processor
and gigabit ethernet
tame carbon
webserver doesnt need a lot of horsepowers
heavy vapor
hopefully i chose a good field 😄
clear igloo
If you want to do routers and switches then something like CML or EVE-NG on a server is great
heavy vapor
XD and these are the courses and grades ive gotten so far...
tame carbon
I've had courses on Distributed systems architecture
peak cloak
I myself aren't focusing too much on school, just want to get a degree and work on my own things and internships to build up experience
heavy vapor
tame carbon
as well as embedded engineering
heavy vapor
i mean im doing alright
peak cloak
Can't wait for Polish School to start back up, that way I can do IT there again
heavy vapor
not the best :/
heavy vapor
then there are students in my class who don't get less then 95% -_-
clear igloo
Look for internships, seriously
heavy vapor
and im chillin with 75-80 average.
tame carbon
internships are a great way to get a job
clear igloo
Screw grades, experience and knowledge is key
heavy vapor
o
tame carbon
Like in programming, if you manage to deliver something of value to the company
heavy vapor
but look at my grades they low 😦
clear igloo
I've turned down people with certs and degrees out the butt and zero experience because they can't apply it to the questions
tame carbon
your knowledge of the system that you worked on, is more valueable to the company
than the work you delivered
knowledge = money
heavy vapor
yes
tame carbon
and you build this up with experience
peak cloak
yeah, I need to look for senior internships now for next year, if anyone is in the Bergen NJ area and have any advice on companies, that would be great
tame carbon
theoretical knowledge is fine and all
heavy vapor
its 5:13 Am right now... and my class online at 8 am
im gonna goto gym and relax
workout lol
tame carbon
I just finished my internship
clear igloo
I got into the job I'm in now because I started as a coop (paid intern) and applied myself to the work
tame carbon
2 months away from graduating
heavy vapor
I recently cleared linux fundamentals courses holy shit it had so many command lines to remmebr x_X
im graduating in oct 2021
Associate's degree in Network Systems Engineering
;D can't wait to make 100k a year
clear igloo
@heavy vapor I'll let you in on a secret, google is your friend
tame carbon
do you think people actually memorize this stuff?
clear igloo
^
tame carbon
we're just as lazy as everyone else
peak cloak
you think people remember things
tame carbon
google is your friend
heavy vapor
idk? do they XD
tame carbon
@heavy vapor here's a pro tip: don't remember the thing itself, just remember where you can find the information on said thing
bookmarks to documentation, are more valueable, than memorizing
heavy vapor
there this guy who bullies me in class lowkey cuz he gets 90% and i get 75% average..
:/
so im like
wtf? xD
tame carbon
lol, I had terrible grades in some courses
clear igloo
and I bet that person couldn't tell you how to apply something to the real world
tame carbon
but my skill is far better than most in my classes
tame carbon
when it came to actuall skill in developing, I was top of my class
clear igloo
Same here
heavy vapor
my prof dont care bout grades either he says its the attitude and behaviour that matters
so i just follow him
clear igloo
He's 100% right
tame carbon
My courses on PHP taught me how to write exploitable PHP
tame carbon
one of the architecture teachers in my school was so narsissistic
he was all proud and boasting about how he worked at IBM and Oracle as consultant
heavy vapor
IBM
heavy vapor
id rather work at Tesla as network engineer
oh wait
can i work at tesla? with these skills ?
clear igloo
If you try, yes
peak cloak
idk, I wouldn't want to work at Tesla
tame carbon
as an individual, your chances of making good money is more with smaller firms
peak cloak
very demanding
tame carbon
smaller firms have chances of innovation
peak cloak
I mean as a beginner why not
heavy vapor
im in Vancouver BC its a tech hub of canada
we have Microsoft HQ, Red Hat Hacker, WB, etc etc
clear igloo
Don't be afraid to move jobs, never get comfy, always strive to learn new things and challenge yourself. Failure is key
peak cloak
like same thing with SpaceX
tame carbon
he just has money and a vision
peak cloak
very demanding, good on resume, but I talked with people that may want to work at BO instead
heavy vapor
he was broke.
tame carbon
you think he's an expert on astrophysics?
unborn sluice
Don't be afraid to move jobs, never get comfy, always strive to learn new things...
Companies be like: We're a family
heavy vapor
but companies in real be like: we are a business.
they are.. lol
and its a team
not family
peak cloak
well he sold paypal
clear igloo
Companies be like: We're a family
Yah, family that sucks every ounce of work you'll give it out of you and keep asking for more if you don't put your foot down 😛
tame carbon
musketeers
unborn sluice
Failure is key
I surely don't hope this is how they build airplanes
heavy vapor
Business relationships are different vs family relationships
its the words... you use
peak cloak
> Failure is key
I surely don't hope this is how they build airplanes
well for spacex is seems like it
heavy vapor
if i keep feeding my brain i CAN'T do it i wont be able to but if i beleive i can i will
unborn sluice
Yah, family that sucks every ounce of work you'll give it out of you and keep as...
Family sacrifices for one another
heavy vapor
its pretty simple concept.
tame carbon
@peak cloak EXACTLY
peak cloak
but idk, spacex is kinda dumb sometimes
like putting SN10 on the pad right before SN9 launch
tame carbon
like hyping people for a launch
me staring at a live stream for 2 hours
with nothing happenign
peak cloak
shrapnel could have hit SN10
peak cloak
idk about that
peak cloak
ULA has pretty good PR compared to SpaceX
tame carbon
yeah but that is because they stand by their word
its not just all talk, they actually deliver.
peak cloak
yeah we have this joke in a rocket discord: Elon time
he says a week, it's actually a month
also, perseverence is attempting to land tommorow
on Mars
tame carbon
@heavy vapor most of that windows stuff from those courses, that would be such a bore lol
heavy vapor
nah
tame carbon
windows has their own weird way of doing things
heavy vapor
here ill show you
heavy vapor
these are the books ive read for my school so far
6 more books to go then me is done school
lulz
tame carbon
basically, you are trained in microsoft products.
heavy vapor
yes
i wanna learn AWS as well
amazon
so
you think i can get a job at Microsoft ?
in vancouver?
primal ice
in the store selling surface pro's sure.
tame carbon
I think learning shell code
is more valueable to a network admin
this is the time old windows vs linux debate
if you want to guarantee a job, linux is more valueable
since its far more common in the industry
primal ice
AWS is going to be way closer to linux than Windows.
thick minnow
Isn't AWS basically cloud services that run on top of Linux?
primal ice
unix systems
primal ice
yeah.
unborn sluice
AWS is going to be way closer to linux than Windows.
wait what
unborn sluice
you think i can get a job at Microsoft ?
you want to learn aws to work at Microsoft?
rigid vault
yo can i msg someone a ethernet wire and you tell me if it is good i dont want to waste money on one thats bad
peak cloak
yo can i msg someone a ethernet wire and you tell me if it is good i dont want t...
just get something cat6
anything should be fine
peak cloak
rigid vault
it has 6k rating and i need a 20metr
can you send me a link to a fast cat 6 one then idk
peak cloak
thats 50 meters though?
rigid vault
yea
rigid vault
mate my wifi is ass wireless i need a ethernet ha
peak cloak
is this going in the wall?
rigid vault
on the internet app on my phone it says 80mbs and my pc barely does 100kb
yea
im putting it outside and through this hole i have in my room from when i had sky tv
peak cloak
it's not outdoor rated though
sun makes plastic and rubber very brittle
I mean not sun rated
rigid vault
yea i just need something as my internet disconnects me randomly from lessons
and sky said its that my pc is soo far away from the router
rare matrix
you can run cat5/6 if you get the appropriate cable and its under 100 meters, or you can look into using a pair of MoCA or powerline adapters for existing wiring (coax and power respectively)
coax and power are a crap shoot in terms of if what you have in-wall will work for you
rare matrix
np youre on the right track going wired just make sure you get the right solution and stay within spec
rigid vault
i got work now thank you guys for the help ❤️
rare matrix
you only need gigabit link, so you wont need more than cat5e if you do run cable
bronze swift
Guys is it hard to run a 100ft Ethernet cable from a room, thru an attic, to my room? (One side of the house to the other side of my house)
I have 0 experience in drilling holes and putting Ethernet ports in the wall, but it looks easy on YouTube and I probably should know since I built a pc before
But is it really easy to run an Ethernet cable thru walls?
peak cloak
But is it really easy to run an Ethernet cable thru walls?
depends
If you aren't going over 2 floors it's fine
in NA houses that is
bronze swift
Yeah NA house
peak cloak
Yeah NA house
the worst is if you need to go between floors that have drywall
for example, basement -> 1st floor is easy, but basement -> 2nd floor is hard
so if I had a big attic, it would be easy to do 2nd floor -> attic
bronze swift
I have only 2 floors and an attic
I’ll try to run the wires first before making Ethernet outlets
Oh I need 2 or maybe 3 Ethernet ports on my end, would splitting 1 Ethernet cable into 2-3 ports make the internet speed slower as in 1 cable to 2-3pcs or will the speed be the same as if it was 1 cable to 1pc?
peak cloak
Oh I need 2 or maybe 3 Ethernet ports on my end, would splitting 1 Ethernet cabl...
yes
also wdym by split
using a switch?
or pysically the cables like with coax
rare matrix
Oh I need 2 or maybe 3 Ethernet ports on my end, would splitting 1 Ethernet cabl...
running multiple drops is the same effort as running one, you just pull more cable through
whatever you think you need, run 1.5-2x that
if you can, leave a fish string/cable along the drop for future maintenance
peak cloak
^
desert briar
if I buy an empty patch panel - https://www.fs.com/products/69182.html, I will need to buy keystone jacks as well, correct?
https://www.fs.com/products/72818.html
thorny vector
Yes
desert briar
Alright, thanks
peak cloak
wait, fs has connectors
nice
so much cheaper than home depot or lowes
at lowes it's like 9 bucks a keystone
desert briar
They dont seem to have modular plugs, which is a shame
rocky badge
I'm personally using CableMatters
rocky badge
peak cloak
cable matters is nice too
rocky badge
Support is 💯
rocky badge
oh passthrough
peak cloak
with "modular ones" its literally plug in the front and plug in the back
ah, idk why someone would use those
rocky badge
I'll just terminate
desert briar
Why not? Would save me a lot of work
rocky badge
Terminating keystones isn't hard
rocky badge
You're either terminating a cable or a keystone
desert briar
yeah terminating keystones isnt hard but why terminate it if u dont need to do it at all 😄
peak cloak
wait, you are using premade cables?
desert briar
yeah
rocky badge
probably
peak cloak
ah
desert briar
peak cloak
why
rocky badge
desert briar
FIGHT ME
because to this day i have never crimped a single cat6 bugger
and i cant seem to do so
cat5e is just fine
peak cloak
why do you need to crimp?
rocky badge
Cat6 is easy to crimp
peak cloak
punchdown on both ends
desert briar
I also like color coding cables, and i cant afford 100m of red, yellow, green and blue cat6
rocky badge
I've crimped more 6 than 5e
peak cloak
use premade cables for wall -> pc
rocky badge
Because I'm not running new 5e
desert briar
so i just buy premade cables
peak cloak
Because I'm not running new 5e
I regret buying a roll of 5e
rocky badge
Oop
peak cloak
will never use all of it
rocky badge
I wired this house with 6 & fiber
rocky badge
got a 1000ft spool
peak cloak
yeah, 1000ft here too
rocky badge
Still have a shit ton left over
peak cloak
eventually I want to do individual runs to each room, instead of using a switch
but basement -> 2nd floor would require cutting drywall
rocky badge
They were like "we only do fiber to the router for business customers, but we can do Cat6 for you if you'd like"
peak cloak
and patching it later
I have fiber to my rack
they gave me a desktop ONT for some reason
rocky badge
Ours is outside
desert briar
question, if I have 48 + 24 port switch, I assume a single 24 port patch panel wont do me much good, correct?
peak cloak
fios was just installed on the house opposite of us and they installed an outside ONT so idk
rocky badge
Depends
not everything has to go through a patch panel
I usually just do stuff going outside the rack to a patch panel
and stuff within the rack just goes directly into the switch
desert briar
I would probs run everything through the patch panel, just to tidy the cabling
but then id need a second patch panel
peak cloak
I never got a patch panel
rocky badge
🥴
desert briar
question is, can you get a 48port 1U patch panel or not?
desert briar
so 24 is all I can get out of 1U
rocky badge
keystone
peak cloak
easier, right?
rocky badge
easier, right?
Yeah, a lot easier than punchdown imo
peak cloak
yep, the box looks similar
huh, the guy seemed to splice the fiber in this tiny box
the run from the street is that black wire in the back
desert briar
Man I really regret buying the 70$ deluxe edition of the game now, every penny counts
I was thinking of running a similar setup to:
but Id need 3 patch panels for that. And well, that goes from 80$ to 160$
rocky badge
🏳️🌈 rack
peak cloak
do you really have that many runs?
rocky badge
they really took pride in that 
desert briar
I dont @peak cloak
I have like 20 cables in the 48 port switch and 5 in the 10gbit cisco switch
rocky badge
@peak cloak an IDF at school
desert briar
the reason im ordering from fs.com is because the qsfp+ cable i got isnt compatible with the mellanox NIC
and id like a 40gbit link for certain something
peak cloak
<@!222482269829332992> an IDF at school <:HaHaa:280925116089630730>
what does IDF stand for?
rocky badge
intermediate distribution frame
peak cloak
ah
peak cloak
yep