networking

[glossy crystal]

Got 4 streams going at 1080p60 between 4500kbps and 6000kbps

[tame carbon]

mh not even that much

those delays are software related, I'm sure

[glossy crystal]

Tried Nvenc and x264 encoding to see if there was a difference

[thorny vector]

This is PC to PC, right? I use NDI for that, and its instant

[tame carbon]

@glossy crystal did you actually specify a latency in the srt:// string ?

should be at least 2.5 * (the round-trip time between encoder and ingest server, in ms).

[glossy crystal]

@thorny vector NDI couldn't withstand our use case

@tame carbon Yes

[tame carbon]

ok so its using ffmpeg

[glossy crystal]

Yep end to end in caller & listener mode

[tame carbon]

@glossy crystal https://i.imgur.com/r3IDuS3.png

and you could also set nobuffer

[glossy crystal]

I'll give that a try

[tame carbon]

like, if the issue is somewhere

its probably ffmpeg

because obs is mostly just ffmpeg

its just a frontend

and ffmpeg is great and all, but it has like a million buttons and dials

[glossy crystal]

@tame carbon I know the feeling, SRT has been a rollercoaster the whole way

[tame carbon]

only other commonly used frontend for ffmpeg that I know of is Handbrake

I used that to rip DVDs back in 2008

[glossy crystal]

Trying to stick with OBS as that's the main software used by everyone in my community

[tame carbon]

https://handbrake.fr/

if you have to do batch processing

this thing is neat

[glossy crystal]

@tame carbon thanks I'll give it a bit of invest

[tame carbon]

I just looked over the 200 some issues on the git repo

can't find any open or closed issue regarding SRT or latency issues

[glossy crystal]

Ill try the no delay buffer and see how that runs. Surprised more people don't utilise SRT more.

[tame carbon]

@glossy crystal just as a sanity check

perhaps try playing the stream from VLC

see if that has any issues with latency

[glossy crystal]

Haven't tried VLC yet

[hollow axle]

@desert briar HPE got rid of the p thing after gen8. They are just the number now.

https://h22174.www2.hpe.com/SimplifiedConfig/Welcome

That's a bunch of retrys, nothing survives that long of a delay

[waxen scroll]

@clear igloo that feel when linus is like "liqid is a pci-e storage expert"

proceeds to open server
very clearly just a dell

yeahhhhh imma say just buy a dell fam

[dusty osprey]

Lel Dell.

[thick minnow]

Is there a known issue in Windows 10 where the Wifi keeps dropping out for some reason?

[glossy crystal]

@thick minnow Have you checked your Wifi drivers?

[thick minnow]

Im pretty sure everything is up to date. I am using a Dell XPS 13 7390, and my brother has a HP Elitebook for work. Those two computers are the only ones suffering with this. Everything else in the house is a Mac and none of them have the dropping out issue.

[glossy crystal]

That is weird, windows 10 does get touchy with some drivers as I've experienced in the past but the likely hood of two going bad is rare. Maybe worth just checking if there is an update or reinstalling the driver from Dell's website

[peak cloak]

check windows logs

I forgot the exact path

but in event viewer

[thick minnow]

Does the event viewer show the events before a shutdown?

I just had to restart the computer for something.

[peak cloak]

I think

pretty sure

it should

[thick minnow]

Okay, I am seeing events saying "DHCPv4 client received shutdown notification"

[peak cloak]

hmm

online I see people saying it's a driver or anitvirus issue

[thick minnow]

I also did find a driver that was posted recently which I ended up installing.

And I disabled the bluetooth connection entirely. Since I never use it.

[errant light]

Anyone have any suggestions for hosting my own vpn server at home on x86? I cant seem to get pivpn working and want an alternative thats still free and pref linux hosted

[peak cloak]

Wireguard?

Pivpn is just a wireguard or openvpn installer

[inland topaz]

I am Searching of a 5 port 10gb switch can you help me find it?

[peak cloak]

Mikrotik

[inland topaz]

what

[peak cloak]

It's only 4 10gb though

Let me find it

[inland topaz]

its ok

[peak cloak]

Give me a sec

[inland topaz]

i only have my brother pc my pc my ps5 and nothing oh oh and my Dead 3d printer

[peak cloak]

https://mikrotik.com/product/crs305_1g_4s_in

@inland topaz

[inland topaz]

I mean with lan ports

[peak cloak]

You can get sfp+ to copper, other than that idk. That's the thing with copper 10 gig it's kinda expensive since lots of processing needs to happen. Maybe someone else can give you some advice

@inland topaz

[inland topaz]

really

I didnt know that thx

[hollow marlin]

What out of that list needs actually needs 10g?

[peak cloak]

true that

[inland topaz]

hypixel

[peak cloak]

huh

10gig for playing minecraft?

[inland topaz]

Mancreft

yes

[peak cloak]

yeah no

[inland topaz]

1000 players

[peak cloak]

you don't need that

so?

[inland topaz]

we are doing 20cps both

server lag

server lags

thats why

and fast downloady

s

[peak cloak]

your device probobly doesn't even support 10 gig

[inland topaz]

10gig pci express card

lol

[peak cloak]

@inland topaz you do relize, that your connection speed is based on the slowest point, you have 10 gig internet?

and minecraft isn't laggy because you don't have 10 gig lol

[inland topaz]

i have 1gb

[peak cloak]

so 10 gigbit is useless

unless for LAN transfers

you are hosting a MC server?

[inland topaz]

what should i use then

what speed

[peak cloak]

a normal gigabit switch

[inland topaz]

i already have that

maybe a 2.5gig switch?

[peak cloak]

ok, so that's the fastest you can get

do you understand

[inland topaz]

ok

[peak cloak]

that won't help

[inland topaz]

ok

[peak cloak]

your internet is 1 gigabit

also

you want to improve latency

not bandwidth

since you say it lags

run ping 1.1.1.1 and that will give you a good approximation of your connection latency

[hollow marlin]

People seem to have a bad habit of going straight to the network before the basics, like are you sure a gig is not enough and its not just the PC you are hosting for 1000s of clients?

[waxen scroll]

Oh you

We upgraded oracle last night, why is the network so slow

I moved the application 1000miles away, why is the network so slow

[hollow marlin]

shhhh... TCP BDP is not real. Distance and the application is not the problem, obviously its the network

[lean pebble]

Good habit wasting more money for more bandwidth

😁

Best solution

[clear igloo]

I have investigated the network and found your statement to be bull, so I have upgraded to 400GbE links across the network. Where would you like your bill sent? 😄

We also asked the vendor to waive any discount on the optics in order to ensure we get the top binned optics!

[tame carbon]

@inland topaz minecraft needs maybe 2mbit/s per client at the most

gigabit would allow you to host a server with 500 players or more

but all of that is irrelevant, if your own internet connection is slower

[clear igloo]

and if it's hosted on a home connection where ISPs tend to frown upon mass hosting like that

[tame carbon]

@clear igloo lol how cool would quantum entangled networking be? :D

you have a pair of network cards, that can communicate across time & space

[clear igloo]

That would be epic 😄

[tame carbon]

though I guess you could never turn it off

because then you'd loose track of the quantum state

[clear igloo]

That's where quantum ISPs come in with their state caps!

They'll limit to you 10 states at any given time

[tame carbon]

@clear igloo why would you need a service provider lol

all you need is a card manufacturer

[clear igloo]

to maintain quantum state so you can shutdown your card 😛

[tame carbon]

nvm peering fabric

@clear igloo well, once you loose entanglement, you'd have to reentangle

I guess all of this is science fiction, but still

[clear igloo]

Haha, yah, just one of those "ISPs will find a way to get their cut" type jokes

[tame carbon]

cloud battery

@clear igloo do you watch techlinked?

[clear igloo]

Now and again

[tame carbon]

THey recently had an article on a new kind of wireless charging

5 watt total 'wireless' charging

[clear igloo]

oh yah, I saw that

[tame carbon]

yeah

I have my doubts with that technology

and safety aspects

[clear igloo]

What's a few watts of power beamed into your face? 😛

[tame carbon]

5 watts is a lot for transmission

[clear igloo]

yah

[tame carbon]

and its not induction

so idk how

@clear igloo I loved those electroboom episodes about this kid: https://i.imgur.com/m9stkI1.png

And how this guy went on a TED talk, pretending to be the smartest guy on the planet

even though all he's done, is built a big antenna with a joule thief

"harvesting free power from the air"

aka: stray radio and wireless signals and grid current leakage

The shirt, and the pretentious cube solving https://i.imgur.com/TTJ7F6A.png

xD

[clear igloo]

lol, I need to watch that

[tame carbon]

@clear igloo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COH6PLjmJ3o

@clear igloo though to save yourself some braincells

I recommend watching the narrated variant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otjvUz7qKXc

by yours truly ^

[clear igloo]

Haha, cool 😄

[tame carbon]

never forget the spoon

@clear igloo kek I love how his closing statement is like:

nvm harvesting wireless power

use the fucking sun. that's much easier to collect

https://i.imgur.com/OpyQ1WG.jpg

I am in a huge pickle. Aliens outside the door, and I cannot find any oil nearby to switch over to

https://i.imgur.com/D2Mjs0c.jpg

[clear igloo]

Is that factorio?

[tame carbon]

Yup

[clear igloo]

I'm thinking about getting that or Dyson Sphere

[tame carbon]

@clear igloo Dyson Sphere looks interesting too, I've yet to try that one out

I still like factorio the best, because it just has all the quality of life features to build massive factories

@clear igloo https://i.imgur.com/AVcY48a.png

the white line around my factory on the right and bottom is a wall

the arrow is the nearest oil I have

[lean pebble]

Does it gonna suite in my pc ?
https://www.liqid.com/products/composable-storage/element-lqd4500-pcie-aic-ssd

😄

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble if you can get your hands on one

[lean pebble]

I want to replace all my HDDs with it

[tame carbon]

those cards are "Request a quote"

which to me signals: much $$$

@clear igloo factorio is also multiplayer capable, as is satisfactory. DSP is singleplayer

[clear igloo]

Good to know

[tame carbon]

@clear igloo but imo, factorio has way better continueability

https://i.imgur.com/COI2vc1.jpg

once you add mods, the tech tree becomes omega sized

[clear igloo]

I've heard 😄

[tame carbon]

@clear igloo I've you're interested, I can always put my world on my server

so its up 24/7

nice thing about factorio is that it takes up little server resources, because it pauses the game when nobody is online

[lean pebble]

Sounds cool

[clear igloo]

Oh, that's really neat

[lean pebble]

I wish Minecraft server will do it to 😂

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble factorio runs at like 3x game rate as minecraft lol

minecraft is 20tps, factorio 60tps

[lean pebble]

Lol

Minecraft RTX

[tame carbon]

nah, ticks

as in game cycles/second

[lean pebble]

Shame it's only for windows

[tame carbon]

games like CSGO

[lean pebble]

Ik

[tame carbon]

run at like 90 or 120 cycles

[lean pebble]

Yaks csgo

[tame carbon]

shooters generally run way faster

minecraft is slow with 20tps

[lean pebble]

Need to be fixed

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble one of the experimental minecraft servers we run at knockturn runs at double tickrate :D

[lean pebble]

Make it faster

[tame carbon]

40fps minecraft

all player events are halved in speed

so the game feels normal

[lean pebble]

Nice

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble we use this for certain minigames such as quidditch

[lean pebble]

I want to test the minecraft server golang engine

[tame carbon]

where players are moving fast, and you need quick reaction speed

quidditch, like in harry potter

with riding a broom

[lean pebble]

That's sound really cool

[tame carbon]

That world is limited to some 600 chunks, the arena itself is in a special world

as little overhead as possible, since we run the game at double speed with same CPU

@lean pebble the ball that people chase in the game, is displayed as entities with particle effects

and at 40tps, you can stuff way more particle effects into the game

so we also did some experimenting on animating magic spells with 40tps

but ended up not using it in our main game

since we'd need something better than a Xeon CPU

[lean pebble]

I wanna play but have alot of projects to do for my studies

[lean pebble]

Threadreaper

I wanna try risc-v

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble sadly, choice in hardware isnt always easy with cloud providers

[lean pebble]

Yap

[tame carbon]

and I am quite happy with OVH's anti-ddos

but they dont have TR systems

[lean pebble]

This server hosted in the US?

[tame carbon]

Canada

[lean pebble]

Oh

I don't like ovh

[tame carbon]

BHS I believe

[lean pebble]

So you're taking ovh gaming hosting solution

[tame carbon]

Its just their dedicated server with antiddos

I forget if it was a gaming specialized system

its a Xeon v3 @ 3.5GHz

12 cores, 64GB ram

[lean pebble]

My bad the gaming hosting solution there is I7

[tame carbon]

yeah its not one of those

[lean pebble]

Yap

[tame carbon]

we used to have those

but we need more cpu

we have like 7 games running on one machine

[lean pebble]

Well if the server was in germany you could get threadreaper

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble its in north america for a reason

since most of our playerbase is from north america

[lean pebble]

I'm using hetzner they're crazy in hardware

Ik

By this company connected to ovh with a big fat pipe

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble I only get like 250mbit/s on OVH's network

but that is filtered traffic

[lean pebble]

Ah

[tame carbon]

for our webservices and such

[lean pebble]

All the servers in hetzner get 1gb up/down

[tame carbon]

we use linode

and between the OVH and Linode systems we have an SD-WAN

with Zerotier

[lean pebble]

Zerotier is nice

[tame carbon]

its just easy

[lean pebble]

I never used them but heard of them

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble peer to peer VPN

instead of a central server

you set up tunnels directly between peers

only thing that is centralized is the directory server, or 'root' server that does peer exchange

though you can also self host that

[lean pebble]

Nice

Good to know

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble I did build this little thingie: https://i.imgur.com/a9FveVK.png

[lean pebble]

Nice

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble if you sum these up: https://i.imgur.com/C1ImKPk.png

you get total amount of registered players we have :)

[thick minnow]

Does anyone have experience running a minecraft server on a raspberry pi 3B?

[tame carbon]

hey @thick minnow

[lean pebble]

Alot

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow what do you need

install java, run minecraft, ????, profit.

[thick minnow]

Just for experimenting

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow sudo apt install default-jdk

then just download the minecraft_server.jar

put it in a directory

and run

[lean pebble]

Wait with zerotier you can take 1 server in Germany and it'll be good for north america to with the latency. Correct me if I'm wrong

[thick minnow]

is a raspberry pi fast anough?

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow for a small server, sure

it will lag a bit when its generating chunks

but after that, its playable for like 2-5 players

[thick minnow]

will mostly do flat world

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow vanilla minecraft needs like 1GB ram

let me create you a startup script:

sec

gotta start laptop to ssh into my server :P

[lean pebble]

Lol

[tame carbon]

ssh keys

:3

[lean pebble]

Easy

[thick minnow]

;D

[tame carbon]

yeah but desktop dont have them keys

[lean pebble]

Ah

Why not

[tame carbon]

you think I litter my ssh keys on my windows system? :D

[lean pebble]

Ah agree

[tame carbon]

key logger, file swipe. and ur rekt

[lean pebble]

I thought your main is linux

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble yeah my main system for productivity, aka my laptop

thats a heavily modified ubuntu 16 install

[lean pebble]

Oh

[tame carbon]

my servers

are linux

only my gaming desktop with the ryzen 3600

that's windows 10, version 1909 lol

[lean pebble]

My servers and my main os is linux

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble I have dual boot on here, but I rarely use it

[lean pebble]

Haha I'm on 1909 to

I have KVM

[tame carbon]

When I play games and surf the internet for memes

I just use windows

its unactivated even

xD

[lean pebble]

Mine activated

But can't do updates

😆

[tame carbon]

when I enter my license key

I get a DLL error with the message "Bad Image"

[lean pebble]

Lol well windows

[tame carbon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Since I have a business here

the key I have, is legit

its just, I dont want to reinstall

just to satisfy some stupid windows popup

[lean pebble]

I have from eBay

😄

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble lol you dont want to know how I got mine

I wanted to upgrade my 7 key to windows 10

[lean pebble]

Ali Express

[tame carbon]

the 7 key, was originally from a windows vista machine

[lean pebble]

Lol

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble even though the key you get from ali works, it may not be a legal key to use

[thick minnow]

🤣

[tame carbon]

sure, windows activates, but that doesnt mean its 100% legal

LTT did a video on this

[lean pebble]

I extracted windows 10 keys from old machines

[tame carbon]

So yeah the once vista, now 7 key

didnt get a "free" windows 10 upgrade

[lean pebble]

I had a script that does it

[tame carbon]

so I took my phone

and called Microsoft Store Amsterdam

and asked them wtf I was supposed to do

and they managed to talk me into a phone creditcard transaction for a 120 euro windows 10 license

[lean pebble]

I activated it by Microsoft telephone to once

[tame carbon]

fucking stupid. I just wanted to get on with my day.

[lean pebble]

Automatic robot answering

[tame carbon]

no no

@lean pebble I literally called up a person in the store in amsterdam

not a robot

[lean pebble]

Lol

I talked once with someone there

[tame carbon]

It no longer exists

since microsoft does everything online now

but like an apple store

there was once a microsoft store here too

[lean pebble]

It was the first and last time I talked with them

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble I was at a conference in 2013

still had an iphone 4

[thick minnow]

I love windows

[tame carbon]

but it had the windows metro theme on it from the windows phone

[thick minnow]

Literally happening right now

[tame carbon]

so my iphone springboard looked like this: https://www.technobuffalo.com/sites/technobuffalo.com/files/styles/xlarge/public/wp/2013/11/att-nokia-lumia-1520-home-screen.jpg

[thick minnow]

🥴

[tame carbon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpringBoard

@thick minnow lol can you imagine, how slow it was after a day uptime? :D

that iphone 4 had 512MB ram and a single core 800MHz 32 bit arm processor

[thick minnow]

Ouch

[tame carbon]

but yeah some microsoft rep at that conference

I showed him my phone lol

that made his day

they were like showing off their new surface displays

like, TV screens ment for meetings and such, that have touchscreen

used as a kanban or planning board

https://msedgeportal.trafficmanager.net/en-us/microsoft-edge/testdrive/demos/TouchEffects/

Here's the program that they ran on it as a simulation

@thick minnow https://i.imgur.com/nzhBtlO.png

[thick minnow]

quick restart and it works again

nice

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow run dxdiag

this is a directx driver bug

https://i.imgur.com/yWh8Agn.png

[thick minnow]

every page says no problem found (Geen problemen gevonden.)

[tame carbon]

is that dxgmms2.sys listed anywhere?

@thick minnow that file is a graphics driver

for windows internal render engine

it probablu had an underlying error with some other driver

because it had an unhandled exception

so something went wrong, and no code was present to execute in that situation

aka: a bug

[thick minnow]

imma look at it tomorrow

[tame carbon]

just update your gfx drivers

[lean pebble]

@tame carbon last time I talked with Microsoft they told me that my SSD is about to die because windows was bugged and wasn't stable

This SSD working perfect till now

[tame carbon]

windows is just stupid, and microsoft even worse

they sell software, and don't give support

instead, they charge money to train others, to do it for them

every office that I've talked to developers to that were M$ partners, sucked with coding

https://partner.microsoft.com/en-us/

like, the fact that you are a Gold Partner, doesnt mean shit

[lean pebble]

That's why I don't buy from them anything

[tame carbon]

I have a 7 and 10 license key

thats it

[lean pebble]

I have 10 license keys

And 1 seven

[tame carbon]

oh and I have some version of windows server datacenter edition

[lean pebble]

I have it to but from eBay

😆

[tame carbon]

I dont use that key though

[lean pebble]

2 dc sever 2019

Windows server dc 2019

Was cheap

The last time I bought from them something was at 2016

Since then only eBay

The only problem in ebay is office license works only one time

If you don't use them after 5 days it's gone

[zealous dock]

can someone help me my wifi card doesnt want to activate

i am presing the on button but it just stayes gray

[unborn sluice]

Maybe it gave up on life

[thick minnow]

can unraid do zfs?

[thick minnow]

what card do you have

have you installed and or updated the drivers?

plugged in correctly?

[zealous dock]

probably

[zealous dock]

yes all drivers are instaled but this is a laptop

[thick minnow]

What laptop

You could look on the internet and see if it’s maybe a recurring problem

I don’t really have experience fixing the internals of a laptop 😬

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow wifi on a laptop is just a removeable part

they use m.2

you can buy replacements for like couple bucks

antenna connector is standard too

https://i.stack.imgur.com/H2V8A.jpg

https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1IOl.JXXXXXXKXVXXq6xXFXXXg/Laptop-draadloze-lan-kaart-voor-Intel-Centrino-Advanced-N-6235-6235-ANHMW-WIFI-kaart-Bluetooth-4.jpg

[thick minnow]

Anyone here use unraid

[peak cloak]

no, but I haven't heard good things about it

[thick minnow]

Rly? What have u heard?

Everywhere I read people say it's awesome

And I like the look of it's interface.

Also the fact that it would allow me to use loads of different sized drives.

[peak cloak]

On homelab discord, everyone kinda hates it because of how it works

basically one drive is your parity

instead of it being stripped across all the drives

[thick minnow]

U can have more than 1 drive parity tho

[peak cloak]

that's why you can add different sized drives

yeah

but the drives are dedicated to parity

[thick minnow]

So just have 2 drives parity ezpz

[peak cloak]

but

that introduces uneven wear and tear

[thick minnow]

That's good tho

[peak cloak]

"If you value your data, don't use unraid"

[peak cloak]

wut, no?

[thick minnow]

How?

Well u don't want all ur drives dying at once

If one dies at a time that's how u want it

Also it's gonna be uneven anyway cuz ur data isn't striped anyway right?

[peak cloak]

I mean for home, I guess it's alright, but I wouldn't ever use it in prod

[thick minnow]

i still dont kinda get why tho

just use 5 drives parity ezpz

[peak cloak]

yeah, but

I've seen people hate it

I'll let others who actually work with storage give their advice

[thick minnow]

wheres this homelab discord?

i got it

[magic plaza]

can anyone here help me understand what dns is? i recieved a warning email from my isp stating i am using an open dns and i was open to attack.

[hollow marlin]

What they are referring to is your router is responding to DNS on its WAN. Easy attacks can be made with that

[peak cloak]

Firewall on WAN interface should be Drop all, unless you specify a port/protocol to be open

[magic plaza]

ok so what is the best thing to do i have a new synology rt2600ac router which has just been set up and is running fine but obviously since then ive been open

[peak cloak]

are you port forwarding any ports? and what are your firewall settings on the router?

[magic plaza]

ill check hold on

am i allowed to send a screenshot in here?

[peak cloak]

yeah sure

[peak cloak]

yeah why is DNS open

there's your issue

[magic plaza]

thats my port forwarding

[peak cloak]

yeah

dns is there

that's why

why is DNS in port forward

[magic plaza]

if im honest in port forwarding i added that myself because with the instructions my isp sent me thats what it seemed like it wanted me to do

thats me being dumb obviosly

i did that after i followed there stupid instructions

so should i delete it from port forwarding for a start?

[hollow marlin]

Yeah I would remove them and all of the system rules allowed via WAN. Where did those rules come from? Were they default or added manually?

[magic plaza]

Do you mean in Port forwarding or the firewall screenshot?

[hollow marlin]

Remove DNS in port forwarding and the system rules in the firewall section

[magic plaza]

I have only added 1 thing and that was the port 53 to port forwarding

[hollow marlin]

Nothing should be allowed via WAN

[magic plaza]

OK yes the rest seemed to appear on its own

So the desktop and xbox in p forwarding I am unable to delete for some reason

[hollow marlin]

Because its under UPnP. I advise UPnP be disabled. What it does is basically give devices the ability to automatically setup port forwarding

[hardy kestrel]

Do I really need this when making ethernet cables?

[peak cloak]

no

some actually advise against it

it can interfere with some devices

[hardy kestrel]

Aight, I'll remove them from my cart

[peak cloak]

I used them in the beginning, but they are just a pain tbh

[magic plaza]

so should i untick these then?

and present monkey you said that dns is open in the firewall settings should i change anything there?

[peak cloak]

I think that may have been an automatic rule

because of port forwarding

[magic plaza]

ok so should i untick what i posted above?

[lean pebble]

Someone know how to make hpna device not get stuck everytime ?

I can't put cable from my switch straight to the tv reciver

[peak cloak]

hpna?

oh homePNA?

no clue

[lean pebble]

Ya

Transferring internet to the tv reciver

The crappiest device I have at home

[peak cloak]

is that basically like MOCA?

[lean pebble]

Yap

It's moca

Basically

Hpna is the protocol it's working I think

Internet over rf cable

This shitty moca always getting stuck

I don't know why it get stuck but everytime I need to disconnect the moca and the tv reciver power for 1 minute and then it working again

Trying to find a way to connect it via WiFi or something

[lean pebble]

Yap that's moca not hpna

Hpna is their old connection my bad

[hollow marlin]

MOCA is like media converters, both are trash and never reliable

[lean pebble]

Ya

That's why I'm trying to find a way to throw it away and use wifi instead

[hollow marlin]

Which I do not get because they are essentially L1, very little to go wrong but yet here we are

[lean pebble]

I have 3 of those

One connected only to the internet and his reciver connected directly with rj45 to my switch

The two others with moca

[hollow marlin]

You could try pulling the plate off the COAX and try pulling just a bit and see if its stapled down. If not, tape (heavily) Cat5 to the other end and pull it through

[lean pebble]

This is the problem

Can't do it

The coax is for the tv to

The tunnels are blocked

even the one that connected directly not going through the wall

Going outside from my room to our garden and going back to the basement

There is a good way to convert wifi to rj45?

Without third extender

[peak cloak]

wifi bridge?

[lean pebble]

Ya

Something like this

I thought about buying -
TP-Link 802.11ac AC1300 Dual Band USB Archer T3U Plus

For replacing the moca

But idk if it'll work

And connect it with rj45 to female usb

[little schooner]

@thick minnow disgusting

Reminds me of concast

Stingy with the upload

[thick minnow]

@little schooner I was streaming at the same time, that's probably why I broke down a bit

Noch ist is on stable 34mbps@little schooner

[little schooner]

Muchh better speed

[thick minnow]

Yes😋

The download is important for me

Discord bug😂

[thick minnow]

Discord cant handle my Internet speed😂 😂

Lmao

[strong tusk]

So, my aunt wants to buy a used, under 200 usd server off ebay for pro use and I wonder how bad these old options are for today. Prices are too high for her to go new even for custom built stuff. She basically wants to set up an email server for a client, and was looking at older piwer edges. I did find one with 2 e5s 2630Ls for 155

[strong tusk]

Nvm those are blades

[desert briar]

All im gonna say

props to your aunt for trying to configure an email server

i tried that multiple times

https://tenor.com/view/sad-crying-depressed-down-sobbing-gif-5698182

thats how it ended up every time

[strong tusk]

well, she got tired of ibm's customer service as their 2fa kept breaking what she tried to do. I found her some different options on ebay for older E5 based dells and hps plus a lenovo one

cuz I was on mobile at first I didn't realize the ones I was looking at were blades that require a chassis to power the thing which costs more than the blade itself. So, I found her rack mounts

[desert briar]

Getting email to work is more tricky than it sounds. Dunno how tech savvy she is, but yeah

Putting aside the fact that you need to configure stuff like DKIM, DMARC, SPF and what not which can be a pain

its super hard to make an email server which doesnt go to "spam"

you usually need to pay for a relay or something of that sorts based on my experience

Based in US?

[strong tusk]

She's being doing server work for decades, so she knows how she just doesn't get the hw side as much as me. She knows how to set them up using Linux, and ya. California is where she lives.

[desert briar]

Ive no experience with dell, but I guess getting a hpe g7 server cant hurt

for 200 🤷‍♂️

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DL380-G7-Server-2-x-2-66ghz-6-Core-Xeon-X5650-72GB-RAM-2-x-72GB-Disk-Drives/174129920326?hash=item288af3b946:g:T1IAAOSwZd1Vbg6r

[strong tusk]

I linked her a think server desktop and a few single 1Us like that

[desert briar]

thats a 2U

[reef gazelle]

@desert briar Which is why I pay google $12/mo to do it for me

[strong tusk]

Oh ya it is lol I didn't see it fully at first.

[reef gazelle]

not to mention the unlimited Google Drive

and adding aliases

[strong tusk]

my server is overkill on the cpu side, but that was due to drm and the amount of threads/cores I needed. XD

[reef gazelle]

I'd avoid HPE and Dell Westmere/Nehalem servers in general

[desert briar]

😦

[strong tusk]

needed sgx+hdcp

[reef gazelle]

their Performance Per Watt is well below what G8 and LGA 1151 v1/v2 servers have to offer

[strong tusk]

but I also needed over 10 plus cores

[reef gazelle]

not to mention that HPE paywalls security updates

[rocky badge]

I'll only agree with the second statement lmao

[desert briar]

Yeah well, the budget is 200$ though

cant be very picky with a budget like that

its either an old hpe or dell

Found this for 200 - https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-DL380p-Gen8-G8-8B-2x-PCI-SFF-12-Core-2-10GHz-E5-2620-v2-32GB-RAM-No-HDD/383479676474?hash=item59492b7e3a:g:zSoAAOSwNNFflwa-

[strong tusk]

opteron hasn't aged well, but at least there's epyc now

[desert briar]

but it has no drives. + shipping. Will go above 200

[strong tusk]

has no hdd, shipping, tax

[rocky badge]

opteron

[desert briar]

Yeah, thats what im saying. Realistically we are looking for a server for 150$

[rocky badge]

You said US, right?

[strong tusk]

ya

[rocky badge]

and use is for email server?

[desert briar]

that being said im euroipe based so... I dont know any local places

email-server though, you could totally work with a refurbed dell optiplex for example

[rocky badge]

in CA?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/224108080129\

[strong tusk]

It's an email server for a client who has his own clients and I dunno the rest other than she plans to run either suse or something similar on it.

[rocky badge]

$199.99

no drives, includes caddies though

[strong tusk]

problem is she's going to run into tax and I dunno the percentage there

[rocky badge]

ohhh

200 incl. tax?

[strong tusk]

ya

[desert briar]

MIght get 2 PIs and stack them onto each other at that point, lol

it isnt a lot, honestly

[rocky badge]

okey dokey

hpe time

https://www.ebay.com/itm/164359324735
https://www.ebay.com/itm/373194494178

[desert briar]

speaking of HPE, I have a DL360 G9 arriving tomorrow

[peak cloak]

nice

[desert briar]

I dont need it, but it was so cheap i could not not buy it

[rocky badge]

https://labgopher.com/BfC/

labgopher is your friend

and wallet destroyer

[desert briar]

lol

[peak cloak]

that's a pretty new generation, cpu and ram?

[rocky badge]

$150 should be enough for tax

[peak cloak]

how cheap if you don't mind?

[rocky badge]

to stay under 200

I have a DL360p G8 😦

Well, technically its my friend's but its at my house

[desert briar]

I got 1x 2620v4, 16gb ram, 2x300gb SAS and 2gb raid with a battery + rackrails for 550$

including shipping and everything else

[peak cloak]

ah nice

[desert briar]

As I said, I dont need it. But it was too cheap. Ill just upgrade it as I go

[rocky badge]

dang v4

[peak cloak]

if I ever buy a server, it can't be over 300

[desert briar]

this is the dl360 g9 I use now

[rocky badge]

me still running v2/"v1"

[desert briar]

The CPUs are E5-2660 v3

[rocky badge]

https://blob.rocks/b0vf3jzWBE.png

2620v2s in that DL360p G8...

[desert briar]

https://imgur.com/a/u3NIMeJ

Discord is down, so I cant post an image

[rocky badge]

rip discord media proxy

https://blob.rocks/eS6yA5ssba.png

all 4 hosts

😦

[desert briar]

I have a gen8 dl380 which is turned off

this will be my third server. As I said, I dont need it, lol

its just

an addiction

really bad one

[rocky badge]

lol

[desert briar]

I ordered a 40gbit NIC from bargainhardware recently, still waiting for it

gonna basically mirror most of my cisco ports to a 40gbit port on my tik and setup a "tap"

an ids like system with suricata and packetbeat

[rocky badge]

nice lol

[desert briar]

thats my current project. Met someone who helped me a lot with it though, dont wanna @ him here

but he is a a legend

spews out networking knowledge

@rocky badge i just found out thanks to you that vcenter has a dark theme

[rocky badge]

👌

[desert briar]

i will never forget this kindness

[rocky badge]

Yesssss

[desert briar]

you guys use VMUG for vmware?

[reef gazelle]

Nope lol

I might tho

[desert briar]

just re-install once the trial expires? 😃

[reef gazelle]

What trial?

[desert briar]

I see, you are one of those

totally legit, unlimited licenses for unlimited amount of cores

[desert briar]

LFF drives? Honestly I still cant decide whats better

SFF or LFF

25 SFF drives or 12 LFF

storage wise you can get the most with 16TBx12 LFF drives, but with 25 drives you get better redundancy, albeit less storage

[rocky badge]

LFF

I'm eventually going to move to central storage

[desert briar]

Yeah, same. Having a nice disk array would be neato

Like a 24 bay LFF 4U supermicro server

refurbed of course, so that my wallet can live to see another day

[reef gazelle]

It's for lab, VMware don't give a damn lol.

[desert briar]

Fair enough 😄

[reef gazelle]

For work, nah we spending all the money they want for what were building

I have 4 servers now

I need to get 2 2U square post adapters

@rocky badge yay they kept the 4x1Gbe mezz card on my barebones R620

[rocky badge]

lol

[lean pebble]

Hey guys, someone know how to make linksys ea2750 act as wifi bridge?

[peak cloak]

flash openwrt on it? https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-user/network/wifi/relay_configuration

https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-user/network/wifi/bridgedap

[lean pebble]

Need to see if supported

I can't connect network cable to it

In the place I'm going to put it

[peak cloak]

yeah, wireless bridge

[lean pebble]

Just making sure

[peak cloak]

pretty sure openwrt supports that, but you should also do some research just to make sure

[lean pebble]

Never flashed router before

Last time I checked none of the open source routers supported

[waxen scroll]

😤

[hollow marlin]

2 sec google showed under connectivity for type choose wireless bridge. I thought your internet is fixed, at least enough to google

[hushed fiber]

is there a way for me to transfer a file from one computer to another using windows cmd?

[waxen saddle]

Map a network drive in CMD. Robocopy

[white coral]

this is gigabit passthrough switch right? https://www.ebay.com/itm/NETGEAR-GS605-5-Port-Gigabit-Ethernet-Switch/383922564394?epid=1100613309&hash=item5963916d2a%3Ag%3AIU4AAOSwvJhgEeOt&LH_BIN=1

I can plug it into my wifi router and get full gigabit local with this model?

[winter lagoon]

is ethernet over coax a good option

because I dont feel like wiring a new ethernet cable across my house

And question : Does the coax wires have to be connected together?

Pls I need to get my internet to 100mbps

Help me

I have a PC far away from the wireless acess point which gives me just 5mbps with a wifi repaeter i get only 25mbps but looks like my option which does not invlove new wirering in my house is ethernet over coax will I get 100mbps if I used this method???

@jolly ridge

Dont worry its not the real guy

[lean pebble]

Half fixed, this fix is only for the tv

Still didn't tried to download anything...

[obtuse oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/eye-roll-alex-alexturner-sleepy-gif-13183604

[lean pebble]

@hollow marlin I already googled the wireless bridge mode not showing where it should be that's the reason I'm here.

[tame carbon]

@winter lagoon wifi repeaters only make the experience worse

best solution is to add more access points, and feeding them with a cable

[lean pebble]

@tame carbon do you have any recommendations for how to connect my tv receiver to the network without moca?

My old routers doesn't support wireless bridge

[tame carbon]

a copper cable

[lean pebble]

Can't

All tunnels are blocked

[tame carbon]

rip

its not like i can just will another ethernet type into existence

[lean pebble]

Now the moca always getting stuck and need to reboot or switch it

Lol

My old routers doesn't support wifi bridge 😑

Ethernet over coax sucks

[hazy sandal]

this is starting to get annoying. got a laptop in my homelab that I have serious ssh issues with. The connection freezes after some time, even mid-typing a command, and ctrl-c does not break me out to my local shell, but if I connect to the laptop in another terminal and reboot it, I get the disconnected message and my local shell in both terminals. I connect using IP and authenticate with an ssh key. I'm using pfSense and my network is setup like this:
LAN: homenetwork - 10.0.0.0/24 - This is where my desktop is located - Manjaro
LAB: homelab - 10.0.1.0/24 - This is where the laptop is located - Debian 10

I can successfully connect to other devices in my homelab without this issue. I've done no configuration other than uncommenting authorized_keys in sshd_config on the laptop.

[pulsar sparrow]

buy my book

[modest vector]

anybody knows why speedtest.net shows 20-30Mbit/s (supposed to be 100), but Steam etc. downloads with 12,5MB/s ???

[clear igloo]

Bad speedtest server or throttling by your ISP for speedtests possibly

Are you doing multiple streams or single?

[peak cloak]

Found this if anyone wants a fun read

https://twitter.com/atomicthumbs/status/1032939617404645376

site specific carnivorous occurrence (@atomicthumbs)

A former Tesla employee, who worked on their IT infrastructure, is posting in a subforum of a subforum, a little-known place for funy computer forgotten by time. His NDA has expired.

He has such sights to show us. Join me and I will be your silent guide into a world of horror.

Retweets

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Twitter · Aug 24, 2018, 10:36 AM

[modest vector]

tried both, on single like 6Mbit and on multiple 25Mbit. I have this issue for a few weeks now, sometimes it shows the full 100

[clear igloo]

Weird, I mean steam is maxing out at 100Mbps so you're good there, might just be speedtest

[waxen scroll]

[lean pebble]

Finally I see all 40mbps in speedtest with the hex-s and the new modem

[peak cloak]

nice

[tame carbon]

steam can do way more than 100mbit/s

I get the full 250mbit of my internet when I get steam games

like 32MB/s

[lean pebble]

My friend get almost all 1Gbps down on steam , 125MB/s

But epic is the best when it comes to downloading speeds

Ubisoft are good to with the download speed from their servers

I'm always maxing 4.5MB/s and sometimes even more 5.5MB/s

[lusty hearth]

has anyone here had a decent experience with powerline adaptors before

[tame carbon]

@lusty hearth your mileage may vary

depends on the quality of the internal house wiring, local noise on power grid, and how many you are using, and distance

but for 50-100mbit, they are totally ok

in some good scenarios

you can even get 500mbps+

[peak cloak]

my friend gets 30mbps on powerline

worse than wifi

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak I have a 15 meter powerline loop here

and it pushes about 150mbit/s

the advertising on them: "gigabit speeds" is total bs

@lusty hearth its enough usually for say: behind a TV

where you need a couple mbit for netflix or iptv

or providing mediocre internet service (<50mbit/s) to the rest of the house

since most residences still have crapnet

ideally every house would have an ethernet socket in every room, and a fiber link in the basement

and everyone using ipv6

[lusty hearth]

hm ok

i'm in the uk, my house is ~20 years old and the wiring hasn't been touched

[tame carbon]

the benefit you have

[lusty hearth]

the current plan we're on is 40mbps, but fibre is being installed which will boost it up to 150

[tame carbon]

UK houses have few circuits

so the copper path is shorter

most of the time

@lusty hearth though, here's a fun idea xD

does your house have old telephone wires internally?

[lusty hearth]

in one or two rooms i think yes

[tame carbon]

you can use those for 100M ethernet directly

[lusty hearth]

👀

[tame carbon]

needs only 4 wires, instead of 8

i think those wires actually use same thickness

so you can just terminate an RJ45 header on it

@lusty hearth You can do the same with a regular network cable, frankenstein it into 2x 100M

if you don't have vlans xD

[lusty hearth]

hm k

the other idea i thought of was straight up running a massive ethernet cable outside

[tame carbon]

just a single cable would do 1000mbit/s

like, proper network cable, like cat6

@lusty hearth I drilled a hole in two cupboards here and dangled ethernet through it

one cupboard actually has a fiber coming in

[peak cloak]

for me getting ethernet to anywhere on the first floor is easy

it's just the second floor that is a pain

[tame carbon]

that installation looks so crooked

its a stupid gypsum wall

really hard to make studs

and its hanging on 1 screw lol

[lusty hearth]

i'm not massively into networking at all

currently i'm just using a wifi mesh thingy

[tame carbon]

:barf:

[lusty hearth]

supports that maximum speed that my plan offers anyway 🤷

[tame carbon]

yeah but the moment you do more than surfing the net on wifi

like, have NAS

or use local networking more

then wifi is total crap

unless you have a really good setup

but that means every AP has a cable feeding it

[lusty hearth]

all the access points are wireless sadly

[unborn sluice]

access point - wired

[tame carbon]

AP's are ment to be wired

[lusty hearth]

or mesh thingies or whatever you call them then

[tame carbon]

these mesh thingies are messy

that can work fine with low amounts of traffic and good signal coverage

but probably have more latency

and packet loss

I like having a stable internet connection, so I don't use wifi at all, besides on my phone

even my laptop is just plugged in

[lusty hearth]

wiring this for ethernet is too much of a pain

[tame carbon]

all you need is a single cable

you can just use a switch

to attach multiple devices

[lusty hearth]

but ideally i don't want holes in the ceiling or walls lol

[tame carbon]

so find a place to do it where you cant see it

I actually replaced some of the wallsockets here

put ethernet in them

in my bedroom the cable just goes behind my bed, to my desk and into a small switch

from there its cable salad anyways

with all the equipment on my desk

[lusty hearth]

am i right that cat5 only goes up to 100

[tame carbon]

cat5e can do gigabit

though cat6 is ideal

if the cable is near electrical wires, you should use shielded cat6a

and outdoor might want rugged cabling, to not erode from sunlight and heat

UV radiation makes plastic brittle

[peak cloak]

I kinda regret running cat5e tbh

should have ran cat6

I have a whole box of it now so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lusty hearth]

i've just realised my pc is plugged in with cat5

[peak cloak]

how many pairs does it have?

[lusty hearth]

i have no idea

[peak cloak]

I had a wire where it only had 4 wires inside and that's when why my internet was so slow

[tame carbon]

cat5 has 4 pairs too

[lusty hearth]

oh ive just looked at the connector

[tame carbon]

main difference is that the core itself isnt twisted

only the pairs are

[lusty hearth]

it has 4 wires inside

[peak cloak]

oh only 4?

[tame carbon]

cat5a the core is twisted as well

4 wires is RJ22

which is telephone cable

[peak cloak]

well that's the plug

[lusty hearth]

wait no it's not 4

[tame carbon]

there's also ripoff cat5

[lusty hearth]

oh god ive got no idea

[tame carbon]

with only 4 leads

@lusty hearth 100M ethernet only needs 2 pairs

regular cat5 should be 4 pairs, even if only rated for 100M

@lusty hearth https://showmecables-static.scdn3.secure.raxcdn.com/media/wysiwyg/RJ45-Pinout-T568B.jpg

this is all you really need to know

[lusty hearth]

oh

[tame carbon]

and for 100M, you only need 4 of the 8 wires

they come in pairs

[peak cloak]

well 4 specific ones

can't just be 4 random ones

I think it's just the orange and green

[peak cloak]

well that's a crossover?

[tame carbon]

that doesnt matter

[peak cloak]

kinda useless now right?

[tame carbon]

thats not the point

its just the pinout and pairing for both installation types

[peak cloak]

yeah

[tame carbon]

the RX/TX mapping is done by the cards these days

@peak cloak you can see two of the 4 pairs

are not flipped

it uses those to negotiate

[lusty hearth]

is there any way i can identify the speed of a port easily

[peak cloak]

the lights

depends on the brand but the rule of thumb is usually 2 green = 1 gigabit

1 green, 1 orange = 100 megabit

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium-dependent_interface

modern interfaces are Auto MDI-X

[lusty hearth]

yeah my thing has one orange light and the other is flashing orange

[tame carbon]

@lusty hearth yuh, that' should be green and orange blinking

that's 1G

both orange is 100M

my switch only has green LEDs, since it only does 100/1000M, one of the LEDs turns off for 100M

@lusty hearth the blinking light just means data is being transmitted

[lusty hearth]

ohhh

[tame carbon]

the other is link status

[reef gazelle]

You used to need crossover cables for 2 PC lan sessions.

Auto MDI-X became more common when Gigabit took off as the home networking standard. Most 10/100 NICs didn't have it.

[reef gazelle]

MOCA does need the coax cables to be connected via a splitter somewhere. A bad/ungrounded splitter, EMI exposure or exposed/shorted coaxial cable will cause bandwidth limitations so it's not one size fits all out of box.

If your home is newer, the splitter may not be as good as they used to be on average but the coaxial should have been installed with some consideration.

[peak cloak]

really? I don't think so, I did just fine with normal cables

[hollow marlin]

You **used **to need

[peak cloak]

ah

opps

🤦

didn't read

[little schooner]

Ik I ran into this problem with the really old Cisco hardware. The crossover cable we used refused to work and wasn't automatic

[reef gazelle]

You're good. I do it more than I would like to admit.

[waxen scroll]

@clear igloo that feel when the palo engineer uses emojis in his email to you

[clear igloo]

ewwww

Were they just default MSFT emojis or ?

[waxen scroll]

no, just stuff like 😄 (in text form)

[clear igloo]

Ah

[tame carbon]

how 2 spot imbalance https://i.imgur.com/vpAta8N.png

perfect sinus

[brave wagon]

Factorio networking

How

[desert briar]

Gents

The G9 which I got today is broken

Will have to get a refund

[gritty owl]

Ghetto testing replacement supermicro backplane for my 2nd server

Planning a big switch from hardware RAID to Truenas Core (FreeNAS)

[timid matrix]

is it ok if i ask for help about router here?

[gritty owl]

it is the networking channel, so yep

[timid matrix]

ooh ok

i just updated my firmware on my TP LINK TD-W8951ND , and i accidentally uploaded the wrong rom, instead of TD-W8951ND v5 rom, i accidentally uploaded TD-W8151N v3 rom, cant access the router settings page from LAN

while i can use the WLAN to open it, the firmware tab turned to be like this

and heres the ipconfig , the Default Gateway was missing from the LAN

[peak cloak]

try a restart?

[unborn sluice]

Looks like it failed to update due to

[timid matrix]

doesnt work

alr tried resetting it too

[peak cloak]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

seems bricked tbh

[timid matrix]

ooh yea i forgot to say, yes it is bricked

[winter lagoon]

is it ok if the coax cable is connected to the TV VHS anntena

[timid matrix]

and if anyone know what device used to flash that modem with that kinda problem, just ping me

[reef gazelle]

https://arris.secure.force.com/consumers/articles/General_FAQs/SBM1000-Installation-with-a-Cable-Modem

You may have to involve MoCA filters for that use case, depending on the model you go with.

And go with ActionTec, not Motorola

That is, if you go through with this

[thick minnow]

I'm beta testing a new Wifi 6E router. Fun stuff

anyone know a good ecosystem? (router, switches and wifi accespoints and maybe nas?)

[jaunty talon]

depends on budget and where it will be used :)

[thick minnow]

lets say in a home but not too overkill

[tame carbon]

mornin'

@thick minnow I'm afraid if I speak up, I get yelled at by @rocky badge

for suggesting mikrotik

[thick minnow]

what dutch sites sell them]

[tame carbon]

tweakers has them in their product listing

and there's dozens of stores

[thick minnow]

ill take a look and send it to my dad

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow yeah but they are just a brand

for small to medium scale networks, at a sharp price

[thick minnow]

exactly what im looking for

[tame carbon]

pm

[thick minnow]

DELL R720 2x XEON e5-2640 64GB RAM and 8x1tb SAS drives anyone wanna place their guess what its worth?

[tame carbon]

garbage visual studio

https://i.imgur.com/KF7xKjo.png

yeah nvm this fucking information, I need a fucking stack trace

cant edit code while debugging

stupid editors are popups that are forced ontop

and the autocomplete is the fucking worst

[waxen scroll]

😤

[tame carbon]

1. Its Slow
2. Suggestions are crap
3. It randomly fills in types that are not even relevant to the context

[waxen scroll]

tons of other editors out there

[tame carbon]

yeah but none that do visual editing for winforms

;P

[desert briar]

Just the fact that opening up visual studio is literally a definition of

should be enough

[tame carbon]

xD

if you open autocomplete in visual studio

it starts listing all the internal crap of .NET