networking

[peak cloak]

ah ok, so usually they listen for DHCP on the mangement VLAN?

I'll have to check the manual for mine

[rocky badge]

Whatever that's configured for

So my APs are looking for management on VLAN 666, not native VLAN

[peak cloak]

yeah

[clear igloo]

Like controller based APs tunnel wifi traffic back (usually) and they get management IP off the access port VLAN on the connected port

[rocky badge]

Depends on brand and config though 😛

[clear igloo]

Yah

[peak cloak]

yeah I have an EAP, looking at the docs rn

[rocky badge]

Ubiquiti does not tunnel back to a controller

Which is a good and bad thing depending on how you're looking at it lol

[clear igloo]

Yah, most enterprises will do whatever their form of flexconnect is or tunnel it back to the controller and that will of course vary the setup and VLANs (trunk/access)

[rocky badge]

The way IT has the Extreme APs at school configured

They just use VLANs

they don't tunnel back to the controller

[peak cloak]

yep, no mention of how dhcp works with VLANS, is it based on management VLAN or whatever the untagged vlan is

[clear igloo]

management or untagged usually but I know unifi is different/special

[tame carbon]

pretty sure you can tag DHCP traffic

its like any other layer 2 protocol

[peak cloak]

you can

[clear igloo]

You can relay it, yes

[rocky badge]

What brand & model

[peak cloak]

EAP225

TP Link Omada

[rocky badge]

omada?

yea

[peak cloak]

yep

[rocky badge]

iirc those default to native VLAN?

[peak cloak]

idk, nothing in the docs

reading some more

[rocky badge]

controller or standalone mode

[peak cloak]

standalone

[peak cloak]

yeah I saw that

[rocky badge]

Yeah its just native VLAN

[peak cloak]

so the "untagged L2 network"?

[rocky badge]

Yeah

[peak cloak]

ok

[clear igloo]

yup
https://www.tp-link.com/us/support/faq/1365/

[rocky badge]

its not tagging VLANs

so its gonna be whatever the untagged vlan/native VLAN is for that port

[peak cloak]

isn't there some security risks though. I read somewhere it's bad to use native vlan for managment?

ik at home it really doesn't matter

[clear igloo]

Vlan 1 is bad

[hollow marlin]

Business best practice is the disable VLAN 1 on trunks, not necessarily native VLAN. But you need to take it into account the design

[thorny vector]

Or just don’t use vlans. I hate people using them for no reason.

[hollow marlin]

For home, yes

Business, mostly no

[rocky badge]

I'd die without VLANs at home

[peak cloak]

tbh I don't REALLY need them. The main thing is separating ipv6 from non ipv6

and so my pc is on a different network for testing purposes

[rocky badge]

I need muh VLANs 😂 https://blob.rocks/cJavIihBBb.png

This is just the management VLAN

[peak cloak]

so many devices

[rocky badge]

then VMs... https://blob.rocks/z0J3ULpKYq.png

[thorny vector]

If I need to grave another lan, I just buy another switch.

[peak cloak]

but if I need 2 separate LANs on the same wire

[rocky badge]

Then IoT....I like keeping separated https://blob.rocks/5M09FZaLZI.png

and VLANs allow me to do this easily

I can allow multiple VLANs to talk to each other

but have my firewall restrict traffic

[peak cloak]

I get the overuse of VLANs but sometimes it's just useful

[thorny vector]

Segregate. EVERYTHING. Physically!

[rocky badge]

Why would I do it physically

that's so old

[tame carbon]

I got a 2nd bridge for all my public traffic

[rocky badge]

Most aspects of my network are virtualized

[thorny vector]

Cuz you can break out of vlans.

And pivot across em.

[rocky badge]

I'm not going to have dedicated switches for one LAN segment

[tame carbon]

@thorny vector there's such a thing as ingress protection

[rocky badge]

^

[tame carbon]

and egress too

if ur paranoid

[hollow marlin]

Hence the reasoning why VLANs were created

[rocky badge]

A single 10 gig trunk can carry VLANs I want it to

Between switches and router

[tame carbon]

I do this

I have unfiltered traffic to public IPs over one vlan

and then a LAN on another vlan

or rather a /29 and a /24

[rocky badge]

But yeah, I'm not going to have a dedicated switch for each lan segment

[tame carbon]

on two vlans

@rocky badge its easy cabling, my VMs are all on the same physical interface

[rocky badge]

I can just have a large managed switch allowing each individual ports access to vlans I want them to have access to

Yup

[tame carbon]

some are have LAN IP, some have a Public IP, some have both

[rocky badge]

I have my VMs VLAN and a hosting/DMZ VLAN

Both travel over the same link

[tame carbon]

but what's also nice, is being able to apply firewall rules to shield services on your public IP

but still be able to use ssh <publicip> from the local network

[rocky badge]

And then the hypervisor separates them

[tame carbon]

@rocky badge I just have 8021q in the kernel allocate some virtual interfaces

and then I pass those to the guest

so the host does tagging

guest just uses DHCP to obtain its IP

[rocky badge]

yup...

[tame carbon]

and the virtual mac address of the VM, I just have in my leases xD

[rocky badge]

Much easier than having dedicated switches 🤣

[thorny vector]

I dunno. Real easy having a wall of switches.

[rocky badge]

https://blob.rocks/jNzvCoBXwS.png

[tame carbon]

@rocky badge and if you then step up 10G, bandwidth also no longer an issue

[thorny vector]

And banks of network cards.

[rocky badge]

I like the way I have my network setup lol

I can do all of this remotely

:^)

[rocky badge]

yupppp

[thorny vector]

And that’s part of what’s scary. @rocky badge

[rocky badge]

[thorny vector]

Remote management

[rocky badge]

not if you have a brain and do decent security

passwords, restrict access, monitoring & logging

[thorny vector]

cough Solarwinds cough

[rocky badge]

you can't do any of this outside of my home without my VPN

[peak cloak]

with wireguard you need like certs, not just username and password

[tame carbon]

I have router management here locked down to a physical port

only the port that goes to my bedroom PC can access the router settings

[rocky badge]

Router management is limited to home VLAN, infra VLAN, and VMs VLAN

[thorny vector]

Those things were part of what got taken and used to get into Solarwinds @peak cloak

[peak cloak]

true

anything can happen

[clear igloo]

Good thing blob isn't solarwinds with targets as clients

[thorny vector]

The initial entry via a golden ticket exploit is not novel

[rocky badge]

The only way you're getting directly in my management VLAN is if you get an Ethernet connection and tag VLAN 666

[thorny vector]

I can easily forsee in the future any small business with similar remote access setup being a target.

[rocky badge]

otherwise...every other VLAN across VLANs is going through pfSense firewall.... lol

Sooooo

I'm not really worried about "remote management BaD"

[peak cloak]

what I'm more worried about is the whole cloud stuff

one company technically controling 1000s+ of devices

[thorny vector]

SaaS/IaaS will kill us all.

[rocky badge]

cLoUd BaD

[thorny vector]

I certainly think it is.

[clear igloo]

If you don't know what you're doing and don't secure things then sure. connecting your insecure washing machine to an insecure cloud, bad

[peak cloak]

why in the world would a washing machine need to be cloud connected

[clear igloo]

Because you need a push notification when the stuff is ready?

Duh!

[rocky badge]

[thorny vector]

I’m talking all the way up to the AWS cloud. Putting that many systems in the control of one organization/group of admin’s…

Forensically, everything is more of a pain in the butt too

[thick minnow]

HP ProLiant DL380 G7 vs r420?

[clear igloo]

R420 has a better selection CPUs if you need more cores later on

[thorny vector]

I’ve also had better experience with third party vendor device support with dell servers @thick minnow

[rocky badge]

R420 is newer too

[thick minnow]

Well that's good because r420 is 1/4 the price too

What's a really power efficient rack mounted cheap server if such a thing exists

[peak cloak]

rack mounted raspberry pi?

lol

idk

[thick minnow]

How many hard drives can I plug into it

[peak cloak]

none by default

[thick minnow]

I need at least 4

[peak cloak]

I wouldn't reccomend using a pi

[thick minnow]

Well it won't work then

Is there no servers that focus on power efficiency?

[peak cloak]

there are

just more expensive

they are newer

[thick minnow]

can u give some examples to look at?

although tbh according to google a r420 dont do much idle anyway

[sweet flame]

speaking of power efficiency i had an idea

I think large scale datacenters already employ this. Basically instead of having a UPS that outputs 120v to be converted to 12 volts again in the server, have a 12 volt regulator that will feed the servers directly off the batteries

And charge the batteries with grid power. you guys think that would work good?

[thick minnow]

imagine using a ups

also i feel the cost of the batteries will destroy and advantages?

[sweet flame]

Well you wouldnt really need any more capacity than a normal UPS

IT would just make the power conversion like 200% more efficient and provide alot more run time on the same battery capacity

[thick minnow]

200%?

[sweet flame]

idk some large amount like that

let me find out how much

[thick minnow]

yes please.

[sweet flame]

you get the idea though

200% is probably very far off lol

And it would also eliminate the efficiency loss in the server supply itself. And running a 240 volt supply to provide 12 volts to the rail would be a whole lot better on the power bill than 120 volt. The server supplies i have right now are 80% efficiency

and im trying to find my ups efficiency

[rocky badge]

I'd love to get 240V for my servers lol

[thick minnow]

#ukgang

[cursive granite]

Move to Australia then 😛

[rocky badge]

Nah, I can get 240V in the US :P

[thick minnow]

Yea but it's the us 🤷‍♂️

[sweet flame]

And how efficient can an online UPS be

cant find anything yet lol

[thick minnow]

I don't use ups I just take risks

[tame carbon]

US has 240V too

[rocky badge]

Dell sells DC PSUs....

[tame carbon]

its just that residential electrical installations usually are fed by a split phase transformer

[rocky badge]

Skip the AC -> DC conversion in the server /s

[sweet flame]

Yeah in the US the power metering is super wack. The power meter can only measure one channel at a time so it measures the current draw of the highest loaded leg. So having equal distributin between the two hot legs can save alot on your power bill

So for the love of god get 240 for your servers

[tame carbon]

https://i.stack.imgur.com/ycVaY.png

[tame carbon]

so you have 13.2kV on your primary coil, 240V on your secondary

[rocky badge]

12V only 🤤

[sweet flame]

Split phase lesson time? lol

[tame carbon]

and there's a third lead in the transformer halfway

[sweet flame]

Center tap

[tame carbon]

yeah

[sweet flame]

Which is refrenced to ground

[tame carbon]

which literally means

a metal pole in the ground

[sweet flame]

But nobody measures neutral current so get a 240 outlet installed

[thick minnow]

Is zfs worth it over raid1?

[sweet flame]

How much do you care about the data lol

[thick minnow]

Is checksum that important that I sacrifice so much morr

It's just I've never had data corrupt on my so far

[tame carbon]

how old are you?

[sweet flame]

Lucky! itll happen soon

[thick minnow]

But I'm gonna be storing sales data for a company.

[rocky badge]

https://blob.rocks/3DRUPezuRC.png

[sweet flame]

Oh that kind of matters doesnt it

[thick minnow]

Yea but r word and excel documents gonna corrupt?

[sweet flame]

Yes

[rocky badge]

Then an Eaton ePDU 👀 👀

[sweet flame]

Itll happen eventually

[tame carbon]

37 minutes

[sweet flame]

Im guessing you have never had a raid card failure

[rocky badge]

With 3000W 🤣

[sweet flame]

and fr just make a custom ups

With some lithium iron phosphate bois

Dont even need a generator at that point

[tame carbon]

i'll start a fire

you get the kettle

[rocky badge]

https://blob.rocks/BZNaLxsYRf.png

Then a PDU that supports that

[sweet flame]

2 20 amp PDUs would do it

just with a twist lock

or a 30 amp that sounds beefy

[rocky badge]

We've got a 240V 60A...11.5 kW

[sweet flame]

In a commercial building?

[rocky badge]

home

[sweet flame]

Oh shit i was aboutta say

[rocky badge]

Not for servers tho kek

[sweet flame]

If its not three phase i dont wanna talk

You dont see as many 3 phase online UPSes as you would think

Is it an online ups? and wtf do you use it for lol

[cursive granite]

Well I get to play with one of these this weekend 😄

[peak cloak]

nice

fancy

[ocean pivot]

Server upgrade

[cursive granite]

@peak cloak yeah, I reckon the tool is smarter than I am 😛

[rocky badge]

oop aquantia

[ocean pivot]

10g 🙂

[rocky badge]

intel 10 gig 👌

[ocean pivot]

It was cheap. Don’t at me lol

[little schooner]

Does it support vlans

If not, not worth

[frosty oxide]

I have a receive signal of 12.3 Mbps but my file is downloading at a speed of 1.2 MBps...what should I do...?

Anyone????

[summer pewter]

uh...can I ask here for some help with regards to 'ethernet' networking stuff in Linux?

[lean pebble]

Just ask

[cursive granite]

Ooh, I found the speed testing functions in the testing tool instead of just the test to certify compliance to the cable spec (ie. Cat6). Guess I’m back on site tomorrow to re test everything to 10Gb instead of just testing Cat6. 😛

So I’m working on a Sunday before the tool has to go back on Monday, because I didn’t get time to sit down and tinker with it until tonight.

For the record though, the most important cabling in my house that I want 10Gb on, is the only one that failed to pass 10Gb -_-

[brisk lintel]

Lemme flex a bit

[cursive granite]

Lol, so much for my ability to flex with gigabit (down) lol 😂

And I can’t even flex about the gadgets I get to play with for much longer, it’s going back first thing Monday 😦

[tame carbon]

@summer pewter sup

[thorny vector]

@summer pewter what do you need?

[unborn sluice]

@summer pewter When

[glossy bay]

Can someone who knows how a fibre cable works tell me if this cable is screwed or not. On the photo you can't see it but I could see a green wire that didn't look damaged

[tame carbon]

never seen purple jackets around a fiber

@glossy bay that fiber looks toast

center core may still be in working order, but the outer shielding is beyond repair lol

oh, purple may be a multimode fiber type

[glossy bay]

On the packaging it just says OM4 (Multimode 50/125) LC/ST 850nm 30M

It wouldnt be the end of the world, if it was broken, but we would have to pull the cable through a tight shaft again

[scenic otter]

hey guys

please help

i have a 300 Mbps connection

but while downloading GTA V from epic store it gets capped at 50Mbps

[clear igloo]

Epic store shows in Bytes not bits by default

[clear igloo]

Ah, so used to people not converting it first 🙂

It's possible the server is overloaded right now or something/someone else is downloading on your network right now

[scenic otter]

it should be around 25-30 MBPS ideally

[clear igloo]

Yah

Are you the only person on the network? no windows updates in the background going on?

[scenic otter]

nope no one uses my network

[clear igloo]

Hmmm, ok

[scenic otter]

nope no windows update

[clear igloo]

I don't have egs on my PC right now but can you make sure there isn't a download cap/limit somewhere in the settings?

[scenic otter]

is there an option for download caps?

i dont think so

[thick minnow]

dell r420 vs synology rs812?

[tribal ferry]

Still a bit new to the whole racking thing, only have done ear mounts and I may be getting myself a 42U soon so I just had a quick question about something I'm confused with.

I've noticed most racks have adjustable depths to fit the needs of your equipment.

Does this mean that every one of your rack-mounted equipment needs to be the same depth?

[clear igloo]

No

[tribal ferry]

Is there some standard for rail depth regardless of server depth?

[clear igloo]

Rails can extend and whatnot too, they aren't fixed, you generally don't adjust depth all that often unless you have some fixed device

You have a minimum depth for rails but that's about it

[tribal ferry]

Are there specific rail depths to each manufacturer or can they be mixed and matched?

[clear igloo]

Yah, they vary a bit

but generally they are around the same depth (minimum) wise

[tribal ferry]

Alright, so I would need to get specific rails for each type of server?

i.e. "dl360 g5 rails"

[clear igloo]

Depends, you can find generic rails where things sit on top of the rail, like a shelf

But if you want the server to slide in and out and be more secure then getting rails for that server is ideal

[thorny vector]

Buying server rails is painful.

[tribal ferry]

Yeah, I would want it to slide in and out.

[thorny vector]

Sometimes you get lucky and can get them packaged with the server, but otherwise usually 50-100+

[clear igloo]

Then getting friction rails or similar is what you want for the specific server

[tribal ferry]

For reference there's some guy on marketplace selling 11 DL360's fairly close to me for $500

[thorny vector]

What gen?

[tribal ferry]

G5

[thorny vector]

I'd pass on that

[tribal ferry]

For what reason?

Power draw?

[thorny vector]

DDR2 memory, and processors that are not great nowadays, and missing a lot of modern instruction sets

[tribal ferry]

Would be using it for homelab purposes, but yeah DDR2 wouldn't be good

[thorny vector]

for 600, you can get 2-3 nicely equipped servers off ebay.

[tribal ferry]

What about a 2x E5520 R710?

[thorny vector]

If you're going dell, I would do x20 series

[clear igloo]

I'd look at a R620 at least

or 720, yah

[tribal ferry]

what would be the issue with an R710?

[clear igloo]

Max of 6 core CPUs

[thorny vector]

Nothing wrong, persay, but just a little more money gets a way more capavle server

[tribal ferry]

Well, if I'm looking on ebay with a much wider array of products, are there any models that I should look for in particular?

[thorny vector]

620/720 are good, without breaking the bank. Same With HP gen 8's

[tribal ferry]

dl360 g8?

[thorny vector]

Yeah, thats good, depending on the CPU and ram it comes with

[tame carbon]

RRRRR

[thorny vector]

You should always assume you'll have to buy ram and drives

[clear igloo]

Yup

[tribal ferry]

Looking to use this for virtualization so yeah, trying to get 32 minimum or buy it after.

[thorny vector]

r/homelabsales

[tame carbon]

university surplus

[thorny vector]

can often get ddr3 rdimm ram for 1-2 dollars a gig'

[tribal ferry]

hm alright

[tame carbon]

companies that go bankrupt are also great to go to

[clear igloo]

Yah, I'd look at an R620 with two E5-2680v2 to get you a good number of core/threads

[tame carbon]

auction off their hardware

if you are lucky, they just recently renewed their infra

[clear igloo]

Depending on how heavily you want to lab of course 🙂

[tame carbon]

and you get some juicy servers while everyone else goes after furniture

[tribal ferry]

how badly should I need the v2 of the 2680?

[thorny vector]

Eh. 4 more threads, more performance. Depends on how cheaply you can get it, so not a deal breaker

[tribal ferry]

Alright, thank you all for the advice.

Still need to see if I can find space in my basement closet for the rack before I actually buy any of this lol

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/4vi7VDc.png

Much worse

Suddenly the world doesnt seem so complicated lol https://i.imgur.com/IkICtqt.png

explains so much 🍭

@thick minnow as I was saying in the other channel, there's various types of home internet connections

and depends on the type you have, what kind of speeds you can expect

below 250 mbit/s, prices are relatively close

once you go to gigabit fiber, it gets expensive

not because of the technology, but because of the peering. Transmitting data across the internet costs money

[thick minnow]

so im using ES File explorer on my phone and tryna load a bluray film from my hard drive on my pc

and for some reason its just not loading (it did once for a few seconds but then i decided to skip)

its super slow for some reason why could this be>

Phone is connected to a bt router via wifi.

also

if i buy a server, can i zfs some of my drives, and others use in raid 1 or just individually mounted etc?

[tribal ferry]

What’s the normal rail depth for an average length server?

The closet for the proposed rack location is 32” deep by 35” wide.

[clear igloo]

1 sec

[tribal ferry]

👍

[clear igloo]

My worst server is 32" deep because of some hooks on the back, everything else is 30" or less

[tribal ferry]

Alright, so I should be good?

[clear igloo]

Yah

Now let me ask one more question, is that 32" with the door closed or is there some wiggle room?

@tribal ferry

[tribal ferry]

It’s from the closet inside, left to right

[clear igloo]

So you need double the length to rack a server so if you'll have plenty of room infront of the rack to do so, you'r good

[mental latch]

is malwarebytes goo

[clear igloo]

Because you'll need to line it up with the rails infront of the rack

[mental latch]

d

[tribal ferry]

Oh, fair point.

Can’t I put it on without much room?

[clear igloo]

No

[tribal ferry]

They’ll be very little wiggle room with the rack in there

Guessing that’s an issue?

[clear igloo]

Yah 😦

Now if you put the rack so it was back to front and you just needed to open the door to do that, you'd be fine

[tribal ferry]

Hmmmm

So how much space do I need and what for?

[clear igloo]

So if you did this, you'd be fine, open the door and rack the servers (not to scale obviously)

You basically need to position the server in line with the rail to install it

[tribal ferry]

Would rack studs help with this?

[clear igloo]

Negative, you have to line up the sliders on the sides of the server with the rail itself

[tribal ferry]

So I need room to reach in the back and snap them into the holes or something?

[clear igloo]

Just a tad

Like 1" or so

sorry, the rails that is

[tribal ferry]

I’m a bit confused how “You basically need to position the server in line with the rail to install it” couldn’t be done from the front?

[clear igloo]

Let me see if I can find a video explaining my horrible wording better 😄

[tribal ferry]

Lol thank you

[clear igloo]

OH! Yes

You install the server at the front, you just need a tad bit of room behind the rack to lock the rear of the rail into the posts

[tribal ferry]

Ah alright

[clear igloo]

Yah, so if you have plenty of room in front of the rack to install the server you're good

[tribal ferry]

Elaborate on the “lock the rear of the rail into the post” part?

I’ll take a picture of the area later so I can give more clarification

[clear igloo]

Sure, so the rear of the rails need to lock into the rack post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WujEZYYZBOE
around the 0:25 to 0:50 mark you'll see

[tame carbon]

@clear igloo don't you just flick the thing on the side to release the slide from the rail

and then mount the slide on the server

and then put it in the rail

[clear igloo]

Yah, depending on the rails

[tame carbon]

there's always one part you mount to the rack

and another to the case

[clear igloo]

Yup

[tame carbon]

its like a drawer basically

[clear igloo]

Bingo 🙂

[tame carbon]

some rails come with quick release bars for the 19" holes

@clear igloo I got so frustrated first time with those rails lol

nowhere in the manual did it say how to release them

and I thought they were defect

[clear igloo]

I know, I was like a idiot trying to install them the first time

[tame carbon]

so I took a dremel

xD

after I was done and inspected my handywork

I relealized, I didnt fix the problem

and that I was an idiot

so one slide has some uhm, deformities

but it still works as intended

ffs

why is it

that everytime you find a video about networking on youtube

its an indian guy

[waxen scroll]

@tame carbon paper tigers

they're VERY good at memorization and can spit the entire book out on queue if needed

push comes to shove in a production environment though..... oh boy

you'll see on linkedin too, they have like 10 certs and you're here like "uhh how much did you really understand?"

anyone remember the united airlines outage a few years ago? i know who caused it. paper tiger.

@clear igloo xD

[clear igloo]

lol, ooof

[waxen scroll]

that same tiger used to work with me and I watched him struggle to troubleshoot OSPF while hes holding a CCIE written

the ones not working for [outsource vendor] and have 1 or 2 certs are usually OK

any more than that is a red flag for me

I've only met one person in my life who does have 10+ certs and is actually worth a damn. Eats tech for every meal

[vague tulip]

Guys, there isn a login field so i cant enter it

[waxen scroll]

@clear igloo i havent been certed for like 2 years+ now

[clear igloo]

I still need to get my IE for reasons but beyond that I've got no active ones right now either

[waxen scroll]

work is pressuring to do learning so might pick up a CCNP on their dime, idk

kinda like eeeeh

[clear igloo]

Yah, I'm probably going to do devnet

[tame carbon]

@vague tulip try admin

[mental latch]

i have a question

[peak cloak]

Yep, just ask

[mental latch]

is malware bytes good

and accurate

[peak cloak]

Idk

[mental latch]

ok

[drowsy sand]

Linux is good

x)

[waxen scroll]

idk i only do networking

[peak cloak]

I'm just careful

And use linux

[drowsy sand]

Linux > all

[peak cloak]

Linux desktop still needs some work but it's pretty nice

[vague tulip]

doesnt work

[drowsy sand]

I think it is perfectly fine. Not for the average joe but for us tech nerds.

The only problem I have is game support.

But you cant really do something about that

[tame carbon]

@vague tulip check the manual

unless someone has changed the password, it should be default

you can always reset this, though this will wipe any configuration from the device

[thick minnow]

does windows file system itself use anything like zfs to stop itself corruption?

im struggling to understand the purpose of zfs

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow ntfs is garbage

[thick minnow]

what i dont get is

currently on every single hard drive piece of software everything i use

theres nothing really constantly running preventing corruption

[tame carbon]

only a matter of time

[thick minnow]

so if i get a server with a few word documents on it why i need zfs constantly running stopping corruption

[idle idol]

With Debian, is there something special needed to have IPv6 working? the server has an address assignment. My system which is on the same network also gets an assignment and a good test with https://test-ipv6.com/ i got a 10/10
When i try to reach out to the internet with an apt update it times out unless i disable IPV6

[thick minnow]

does windows ever corrupt it self?

and does it repair itself? is there some sort of active zfs running?

[fierce smelt]

Windows likes to corrupt itself

Usually after/during update

It is usually end

[thick minnow]

do i really need zfs for as little as 10gb of data?

[tame carbon]

a raid array is no excuse for a backup

you still run backups from that

[idle idol]

Raid !== Backups

Raid === Redundency

[thick minnow]

what happens if a hard drive dies when zfs is running?

do i keep all data?

and how hard is it to add another hard drive into a zfs setup

zfs just seems so much work for little gain

[tame carbon]

you replace the broken drive

and it rebuilds itself

[thick minnow]

how does it rebuild the drive without requiring using up half of the total storage capacity?

[tame carbon]

it stores parity data on the other disks

as long as you don't loose more drives than the system allows for, you can always recover

how this works: math.

[thick minnow]

and how does adding another drive (expanding) a zfs system work.

also how stable are virtual machines on freenas?

[tame carbon]

the risk with systems that allow for only a single disk failure

is that while rebuilding

its hitting the other disks at full load, reading all the data

and if you have another failure in that 24h timeframe or 48h depending on disk size

then you have total data loss.

[thick minnow]

ah ok i get it, i am starting to understand the benefits of zfs

how does adding another drive (expanding) a zfs system work.
also how stable are virtual machines on freenas?

[tame carbon]

no idea

I never used bsd

[thick minnow]

diff between freenas and freebsd?

google says bsd is simpler version of freenas

[tame carbon]

no, that's the kernel its running

and its not linux

:3

[thick minnow]

if i can run a virtual machine on freenas i see no reason to go linux

[tame carbon]

sure

[thick minnow]

if i cant then linux may be the only way

[tame carbon]

but I can't judge how virtual machines on bsd are

since i've never used them

linux uses kvm

[thick minnow]

do i need a 'raid controller' for zfs?

[tame carbon]

or rather, on linux, you can use kvm

@thick minnow that's for hardware raid

where the OS doesn't see the raid array

and its handled by hardware

[thick minnow]

oh ok

im assuming hardware zfs isn't a thing

[tame carbon]

it might be on specialized storage systems

[thick minnow]

also where do u install the software on a server?

which drive? and what happens if that drive dies?

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow I think you need a 101 on unix filesystems

on windows, you map a partition to a drive letter

[thick minnow]

i mean for freenas

or such things

[tame carbon]

on unix systems these devices are in /dev

[thick minnow]

because im assuming if zfs is software, it cant rebuild if the drive its on dies.

[tame carbon]

and you can mount a filesystem as a folder

the driver it uses for this, depends on the filesystem type

userspace never sees this

[thick minnow]

what about this?

[tame carbon]

its a filesystem driver

[thick minnow]

what does that mean?

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow think of it as a component inside the kernel, that handles various filesystem types

Like, I can show you a device mapper diagram from linux

bsd will have something similair

[thick minnow]

im talking about lets say u got a server with 3 drives and one of them has the actual os installed on it

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/zOQPtHc.png

[thick minnow]

and if that disk dies what happens

[tame carbon]

See those block based FS ?

those green blocks at the top left

there are your usual journaling filesystems like ext3 and ext4, btrfs and such

[thick minnow]

im kinda confused still

[tame carbon]

think of zfs, as just another one of those components

[thick minnow]

are you saying os is not stored on the drives?

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow all a filesystem is, is a storage pattern for bytes on the actual harddrive

to read a filesystem, you need a driver

[thick minnow]

the driver not installed on the drives?

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow the driver is in the kernel

[thick minnow]

wheres the kernel

[tame carbon]

in memory

[thick minnow]

what if the drive it is installed on dies

and power cuts

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow kernel images are stored in /boot for linux

when the bootloader starts, it copies that 100MB (for desktop use) file to memory

and starts executing at memory address 0x0

thats the kernel entrypoint for executing code

and then all the other crap, drivers and devices are initialized

and at the very end

it calls the init script, which starts all your userspace programs like your desktop and other things

[thick minnow]

ok now imagine the disk where /boot is stored dies

what now

[tame carbon]

then you are screwed.

thats what raid is for

[thick minnow]

so zfs is useless without raid?

[tame carbon]

ZFS is a kind of raid

RAID is just the umbrella term

[thick minnow]

ok so the drive with /boot dies

BUT you have zfs

HOWEVER

the power cuts and the memory dies

im assuming kernel cant load for parity data

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow in this case, doesn't really matter. since /boot is not touched when the system is running

@thick minnow lol come on.

servers

have two power supplies

redundant network and drives

like, all these things in a professional environment, are accounted for

on various layers

[thick minnow]

ok so as soon as that first /boot drive dies, the server starts replicating the /boot folder from parity data onto another drive.

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow yeah but you must understand

a storage array, has the operating system and storage volume on two different devices usually

usually the OS is on some flash chip thats plugged in via sata or whatever

some servers dont even have their OS locally

they download the OS from the network

and then boot that

https://ipxe.org/

Netboot ^

[thick minnow]

so if that flash chip dies, will the server replicate the os onto one of the drives?

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow well with netboot like in a datacenter

the bootloader on the motherboard just pulls a kernel image from the network with TFTP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trivial_File_Transfer_Protocol

[thick minnow]

im talking about a single server tho

such as an r420, does that have a flash chip where u store the os?

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow it depends on how you configure it

during setup

you can just configure, what parition on what disk is what directory

you could store settings on another partition

like /etc for settings

and /boot could be idk.

lemme see

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo Ayyyy https://blob.rocks/uXzk0n2BOS.png
DNS load balancing and failover works

[clear igloo]

Nice @rocky badge !

[tame carbon]

Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
udev            3,9G   12K  3,9G   1% /dev
tmpfs           789M   18M  771M   3% /run
/dev/sda5       275G  233G   28G  90% /
tmpfs           3,9G  316K  3,9G   1% /dev/shm
tmpfs           5,0M  4,0K  5,0M   1% /run/lock
tmpfs           3,9G     0  3,9G   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
tmpfs           789M   32K  789M   1% /run/user/1000

[rocky badge]

https://dnsdist.org/ 👌

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow look at this, this is the filesystem table for my system

command is df -h

in my case, there's no specific mountpoint for /boot

so its part of the parent filesystem, which is / which is mounted from /dev/sda5 a partition on my ssd

if that partition were to fail

then you'd be screwed :P

called a single point of failure

[thick minnow]

if you wanted to include that inside the zfs thing

so that if that was to fail, you wouldn't be screwed, how would you do that?

and also (once you've done that) once its replicated os from parity, would it know the next time it boots where to boot from? Or would its startup location need manually re setting.

[tame carbon]

you dont have to restart

thats the whole idea

you do this while the system is running

the array is in an unstable state while one disk is removed

its still functional

so you rebuild the array

and then you're back to normal operation

if you have more disk failures than the system allows for, then you have a problem

[thick minnow]

no i mean like eventually at some point u gotta turn the system off

for maintenance or something

[tame carbon]

realtime replication

so you have a 2nd machine

with the exact same setup

and then you just switch them over in your load balancer

take the other one offline for maintenance

all depends on how fault tolerant you want your system to be

as long as you throw enough money at the problem

you can push that uptime guarantee higher with more 9's at the end of 99.9%

@thick minnow systems like these are often redundant on various levels

if you have a giant datafarm ,you have a dedicated storage cluster

and a dedicated compute cluster

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storage_area_network

the idea with a SAN is that you have networked storage volumes provided by some machine that might use ZFS internally

and the server you run your programs on, just mounts the SAN as a storage device

and then it just appears as a local storage volume

so your compute cluster may not even have storage in it

its entirely handled by another part of the datacenter or rack

usually you have some kind of special switch

and then a bunch of fiber optics

since fibers can easily push 100G or even 400G these days

[tribal ferry]

400G

i'm drooling

i've heard of 400g before

[tame carbon]

@tribal ferry yeah so instead of turning the laser on and off

[tribal ferry]

multiple lasers?

[tame carbon]

you now have on off, and 7 levels in between

[tribal ferry]

ah ok

[tame carbon]

PAM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-amplitude_modulation

[tribal ferry]

going to just butt into this conversation you were having with this other guy if you don't mind

@clear igloo here's the space

[tame carbon]

@tribal ferry multiple laser colors is a thing though

this is called WDM

[clear igloo]

Yes, that will work then 😄

[tame carbon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavelength-division_multiplexing

its a passive system that mixes together different laserbeams with prisms

[tribal ferry]

23.8" width on the rack, so yeah I should be good @clear igloo

I assume I would need to take off the door for cooling?

[clear igloo]

That would be a good idea

[tribal ferry]

going to have to drill through cinderblock to get my cables through

ahhh fun times

[clear igloo]

I'm still waiting for CPO gear to roll out in a few more years 🙂

[tame carbon]

@tribal ferry I think, 96 channels on a DWDM system, with 200G

[tribal ferry]

What even needs 400G?

Real-time storage arrays?

[tame carbon]

I doubt there are 400G modules with DWDM

[clear igloo]

data centers, AI, large compute clusters

GPU clusters

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/JwevrDi.png

I mean, CERN definetly needs it

lol

thats a data hoarding problem

[thick minnow]

im literally gonan just have one machine

[tame carbon]

on a whole new level

[thick minnow]

my concern is the os itself getting corrupted

[clear igloo]

400GbE ZR is slated for this year @tame carbon

[thick minnow]

and im suprised nobody else is concerned?

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow unlike on windows, linux, BSD and other unix systems generally do not clutter their guts in a folder like system32

[idle idol]

.. So does anyone know of a windows property or setting that would allow one NIC to get access to a DNS Server, and not the other? Using the hardwire i can get DHCP with DHCP provided DNS server and not be able to connect to the server. When i switch the wifi, using DHCP with a DHCP provided DNS server im able to get a responce. Im using NSLOOKUP of course and specifying the same server both times

[tame carbon]

all the kernel internals are loaded when you boot the system, and all the programs are in /bin

if the kernel gets corrupted

[thick minnow]

and when /bin corrupts?

[tame carbon]

idk what your problems are lol

windows bluescreens if you talk mean to it

unix is far more reliable from the getgo

simpler system layout

[idle idol]

The highlighted is with ethernet only.

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow if a file or filesystem is corrupted, you get a read error.

so whatever you attempted to do at that point, will no longer work

[thick minnow]

when u have this much security with zfs incase ur data corrupts

how is there no security against filesystem corrupting?

[tame carbon]

backups.

[thick minnow]

why cant it auto backup

when zfs is already autobacking up everything

[tame carbon]

you backup to another system

[thick minnow]

why tho

[tame carbon]

zfs is only for runtime redundancy

[thick minnow]

why?

[tame carbon]

why what

[thick minnow]

Why can't I back up filesystem with zfs

[peak cloak]

Rule of 3

I think

Zfs is not a backup

It's much better than just something like raid0, but you should always have another off-site backup

[steady oak]

does anyone know why my wifi keeps disconnecting my laptop every 5 mins

it doesn't do it to any other devices and my wifi is fine on my laptop literally everywhere else

[peak cloak]

could be wifi drivers

idk

wifi is hard to diagnose

[steady oak]

ik

its always been shit

[peak cloak]

check windows event log

it will tell you why wifi disconnected

I forgot where it is

[steady oak]

what is lso?

[peak cloak]

But I had a problem with my mom's work laptop since it kept disconnecting from wifi, it was a driver issue, but I couldn't fix it because no admin (even talked their IT, but they asked the generic questions about restarting router and stuff and decided not to bother them). So I just bought a usb to ethrnet adapter and wired her up

[steady oak]

because it keeps saying "lso was triggered

[peak cloak]

it that context, idk

[steady oak]

it keeps saying that under a network warning

[peak cloak]

hmm idk

nothing online either

[clear igloo]

LSO is when the AP/wifi router changes channels or the PC connects/disconnects from WiFi

[steady oak]

oh well that makes sense

because my laptop keeps getting disconnected

[peak cloak]

anything else

let me find the exact path of where wifi logs ae

[peak cloak]

https://superuser.com/questions/1031263/how-to-check-the-event-log-if-any-for-network-failure

there is also another path

I'm not on windows rn so I can't check

https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000150790/using-windows-logs-to-troubleshoot-wireless-issues-only-seen-at-customer-locations

[thick minnow]

im still confused on adding drives to a zfs system

so whats the cons of lets say u have 3 drives, and u just add a 4th and do zpool add

[tame carbon]

pretty sure zfs is like minimum of 5

for ZRAID

[peak cloak]

yep

unless you ZFS Mirror

[tame carbon]

then its just 2 or multiples of 2

[thick minnow]

so u have 5 drives and want to add a 6th

[tame carbon]

you can't just add 1 drive

you go up in steps

[thick minnow]

how many is a step?

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak ?

[peak cloak]

depends

[tame carbon]

you're more the ZFS man here

[peak cloak]

idk much

I just watched some videos

[thick minnow]

do u guys not use zfs?

its recommended by everyone but used by few

[peak cloak]

no, because I don't have a NAS

if I did I would

[tame carbon]

https://calomel.org/zfs_raid_speed_capacity.html

[peak cloak]

I've wanted to get one but never did

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow I have btrfs here

with raid1 mirror

[peak cloak]

now because my parents are very anti-google they may pay for it

[thick minnow]

why?

[tame carbon]

has benefits of regular raid, in that it can do error correction

btrfs also stores checksums

[peak cloak]

so basically from what I understand you would want to add more drives depending on how big your vdevs are

[thick minnow]

what is benefit of regular raid over zfs?

[tame carbon]

regular raid cannot detect filesystem corruption

[peak cloak]

there is none? maybe because it can be hardware accelerated and not software

[thick minnow]

u use btrfs because it can be hardware accelerated and not software?

[tame carbon]

btrfs on linux is just a software driver

[thick minnow]

why do u use that tho and not zfs

what is ur usecase where it is better for you to use that and raid1

or is it just that u know how to do that so u did

[tame carbon]

because I employ encryption underneath this

with LUKS

[peak cloak]

linux just got kernel support for OpenZfs I think also?

[tame carbon]

and doing that ontop of ZFS is completely different

and ZFS has only recently added linux support

[peak cloak]

oracle developed zfs right?

[tame carbon]

yeah

[peak cloak]

yeah I know someone who worked on ZFS

[thick minnow]

freenas not have possibility to add encryption?

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow idk shit about freenas

I know all these things on linux

and honestly, I can be arrogant in my position, knowing it on linux is good 'nuf

[peak cloak]

freenas is basically freebsd and uses zfs with a gui and tools

[tame carbon]

all else is inferior

[thick minnow]

that makes sense

[peak cloak]

you can do it the freenas way or you can just completly bypass it and probobly just hack it, but if you go through that trouble might as well not use freenas

[peak cloak]

https://www.ixsystems.com/documentation/freenas/11.2/storage.html#:~:text=FreeNAS® uses GELI full,when disks are physically stolen.

[thick minnow]

uh this scares me

what happens if the filesystem dies

ur screwed and all ur data is gone then?

[peak cloak]

wdym dies?

[thick minnow]

lets say drive with os finna alt f4's itself from life

blows up

sets on fire

[tame carbon]

backups.

[peak cloak]

if you backed up zfs config you could possibly recover it?

plus

[thick minnow]

so u cant just backup the disks, but u have to backup the os itself with the encryption key also

[peak cloak]

you should have off-site backup if the data is that important

@thick minnow https://www.ixsystems.com/documentation/freenas/11.2/zfsprimer.html

[thorny vector]

yolo raid0 everything

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAuEgepZG_8

[peak cloak]

Level1Techs is great

well that's Level1Enterprise, same guy

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak pedantic design https://i.imgur.com/ojqjwaO.jpg

lol

[ocean pivot]

Have you played satisfactory?

[tame carbon]

I have yes

though I find it more like a chore lategame

I miss bots

:(

with factorio, scaling is much easier once you have bots to build

@ocean pivot and there's a new game in this genre

Dyson Sphere Program

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1366540/Dyson_Sphere_Program/

Steam

Dyson Sphere Program

Dyson Sphere Program is a sci-fi simulation game with space, adventure, exploration and factory automation elements where you can build your own galactic industrial empire from scratch. In the distant future, the power of science and technology has ushered a new age to the human race. Space and time have become irrelevant thanks to virtual rea...

Price

$19.99

Recommendations

9276

▶ Play video

I've yet to try this

but its basically satisfactory & factorio on a galactic scale

[ocean pivot]

ooh nice

[tame carbon]

grid system seems interesting

[ocean pivot]

I do like satisfactory

[tame carbon]

since the planets you build on are spheres

everything looks curved from a distance

@ocean pivot my issue with satisfactory is just, at some point it just becomes such a gigantic mess lol

and building effectively is so difficult

meanwhile, in factorio you have blueprints

[ocean pivot]

true

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/0OZPudH.jpg

copypaste is so valueable

[ocean pivot]

Yeah I have a few hours in factorio lol

[tame carbon]

@ocean pivot what's "A few" ?

[ocean pivot]

250?

[tame carbon]

noob

https://i.imgur.com/tp9a2Qs.png

[ocean pivot]

Yeah that's why I said a few

[tame carbon]

but this is way worse

https://i.imgur.com/5jbvphN.png

cus I only have this game for like 1.5 years now

satisfactory maybe 180 hours

[ocean pivot]

Dang. Yeah I’ve only got like 10 hours in satisfactory I just got it

[tame carbon]

but I think the worst offender is stil Runescape

thats like one of the first online games I started playing 15 years ago

[ocean pivot]

What’s your play time there

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/QmfGOTZ.png

[ocean pivot]

I got you by 30 days there lol

[tame carbon]

5473 hours

[ocean pivot]

258 days

[lean pebble]

Yo

[tame carbon]

@ocean pivot but that game is pretty much finished for me

I've completely maxed my account

[ocean pivot]

True

[tame carbon]

all the level 120 crap is just to prolong the suffering

[ocean pivot]

I got 99 slayer before eoc 😄

[tame carbon]

@ocean pivot lol I botted 99 magic way back then

[ocean pivot]

lol

[lean pebble]

I have 338.583 days of afk in csgo

[tame carbon]

just autoclicker high alchemy

[lean pebble]

😆

[tame carbon]

at soul wars bank, that place had no random events

@ocean pivot do you remember the old world 31 ?

[ocean pivot]

Yeah

[tame carbon]

house parties

[ocean pivot]

mhm

[tame carbon]

yeah, none of that still exists

like, that entire community spirit has since then died

rs3 is kinda deserted

and osrs is full of bots

[ocean pivot]

yea

[tame carbon]

@ocean pivot did you play after eoc?

[ocean pivot]

Not much

[tame carbon]

they improved it a lot since then

its not as clunky anymore

higher level gear exists now

bosses have complicated mechanics

[ocean pivot]

I liked the old combat lol

[tame carbon]

click

0

0

1

with the new system if you have enough accuracy you always hit

just damage changes

and crit chance

@ocean pivot lol I remember when there was double drop weekend (yes every monster double dropped its loot)

and there were entire clans of people fighting king black dragon, whoever could do most dps got the loot

and I could singlehandedly go 1v3 with dharrocks and like 100 hp (out of 10k)

with super antifires you dont take dmg

that one ability you could use, would hit like 13k 4x in a row

but they removed all that fun stuff

@ocean pivot graphics are just one benefit of rs3 https://i.imgur.com/oMCVl4e.png

[ocean pivot]

True that

[lean pebble]

Nice wings

[lethal charm]

Osrs better

I haven't played either for over a day at a time in probably 2 years

[tame carbon]

I sometimes log on

[lethal charm]

I logged in yesterday to ensure i haven't been hacked

I cant really play those kinds of games anymore, too demanding on time

[tepid trail]

This might be a bad question, but am i still recommended to buy a Mikrotik RB4011iGS+RM router to replace my ISP router and old gigabit netgear switch. I might want to add a AP aswell and a small 5port 10gig switch and connect through SFP+

I cant remember who in here i was talking about this with.

[tame carbon]

@tepid trail I have that exact router

[tepid trail]

Was it you Crystal?

[tame carbon]

might have been

[tepid trail]

The person knew much about it and its config..

[tame carbon]

Yeah probably me

@tepid trail did you end up making the move to buy?

[tepid trail]

something about a project with a self generated QR-code for wifi access on a camping site?

[tame carbon]

thats me

xD

[tepid trail]

sounds familiar?

ah.. ok.. cool.

[tame carbon]

yeah thats one of the plans I had

to just show off its capabilities

[tepid trail]

i really liked that

[tame carbon]

it has an API and you can do scripting

so you can basically make it do whatever

[tepid trail]

Did not bought the router yet.. i have been thinking of it a lot. The move will be really soon. But i might need some help with the config. I have read a lot on howtos and such though.

[tame carbon]

but thats mostly because I'm a developer, so I just tinker with this stuff lol

[tepid trail]

Just a basic NAT setup for a starter to begin with.

[tame carbon]

@tepid trail yeah when you turn it on for the first time

its configured as a regular NAT with a LAN

port 1 is internet by default

so thats where a dhcp client listens for a public ip

[tepid trail]

cool.

[tame carbon]

and the rest of the ports are on a LAN with 192.168.88.0/24

router on 192.168.88.1

@tepid trail you can configure these devices without IP connectivity, directly using its mac address

so you just plug an ethernet cable into the device and laptop

and connect to the mac address

put your pc in port 2

cus you can't do this from port 1

those are how the default security settings are set

[tepid trail]

so for a future 10gig small lan.. can i use the SFP+ port to connect it with a small like 5 port cheap 10gig switch? maybe on a separate subnet.

[tame carbon]

@tepid trail so yeah, think of this 10G line between a switch and a router as a trunk port

instead of one network

you can configure VLANs on them

and designate specific ports on the switch to specific virtual LANs

[tepid trail]

ah.. for now i have no plans for faster ISP. I think 1gig is the fastest we can sign up for.

[tame carbon]

https://media.geeksforgeeks.org/wp-content/uploads/hsrp4.png

[tepid trail]

200mbit up/down now..

[tame carbon]

essentially this ^

https://www.interfacett.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/001-network-diagram-Cisco-Router.png

and you can introduce vlans

with vlans you can basically turn a physical ethernet link, into 4096 virtual ones

[tepid trail]

what kind of options do i have for a small 5 port 10gig?

[ocean pivot]

I just went 10g for my main rig

[tame carbon]

@ocean pivot I just have a small 4 port 10G switch, a server and a router that are 10G capable

multiple clients hit the NAS here

[ocean pivot]

I just have a switch atm

2 10g ports on the switch

[tepid trail]

something to recommend?

to work well with the mikrotik router

[tame carbon]

@tepid trail depends, do you want just 10G ports? or do you also want some more 1G ports?

[hollow marlin]

Well actually...it's only 4094 because 0/4096 is almost always reserved. 🧐
Lol

[tepid trail]

crystal, just 10gig..

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin lel

https://i.mt.lv/cdn/rb_images/1659_l.jpg

There's the CRS305

[tepid trail]

5 10gig and one sfp+ to connect with sfp+ on router

[tame carbon]

or a CRS326 https://i.mt.lv/cdn/rb_images/1940_l.jpg

[tepid trail]

😮 😮

overkill for me

[tame carbon]

that 4x 10G one, the CRS305 costs like 170 bucks

and the CRS326 200 bucks

[tepid trail]

ah..

[tame carbon]

or the one in all box

https://i.mt.lv/cdn/rb_images/1493_l.jpg

that does it all

4x 10G, 24 ports with PoE

for powering external devices like APs

[tepid trail]

price?

[tame carbon]

$379

[tepid trail]

not that bad

[tame carbon]

once you get into PoE territory it gets expensive

and if you want more than 4x 10G

CRS309: https://i.mt.lv/cdn/rb_images/1730_l.jpg

eight

[tepid trail]

No need for more than 4-5.

So CRS326 might be the one then..

[ocean pivot]

I got this one

[tame carbon]

here's a rack mounted model

https://i.mt.lv/cdn/rb_images/1301_l.jpg

This one has 2x 10G

tryina find the one with 4x 10G

without poe

[tepid trail]

I think i want one with PoE for use with the AP i need to add. Was thinking to use a Ubutiqi or how it spells

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/PnPwhoi.png

@tepid trail just get a couple of these https://mikrotik.com/product/cap_ac

you can set up a controller on the RB4011

[rocky badge]

UniFi?

I've been eyeing these https://blob.rocks/PtItfwnFJ8.png

[tepid trail]

Yeah, me too..

[tame carbon]

@tepid trail just saying, if you already have mikrotik on the main router

you might as well just use their APs

[rocky badge]

Currently have UAP-AC-Pro, UAP-AC-Lite, and UAP-AC-M....

[tame carbon]

all integrates into a single environment

[rocky badge]

I can get ~500Mbps out them