networking

[peak cloak]

that's fine

I do the same

[elfin meteor]

used to work in the past when i lived with my parents on our old router

[peak cloak]

there are my forwarding rules

[elfin meteor]

now that i got my own, completely diff interface and it says i have a service all hooked up

[peak cloak]

also gaming routers are kinda cringe tbh

[elfin meteor]

yeah yeah i know

it looked cool lol

and it was on sale for 60

[peak cloak]

yeah that looks good

[elfin meteor]

But. it doesnt work

[peak cloak]

you are hosting on windows?

[elfin meteor]

yea

dont know how to use linux yet

[peak cloak]

make sure firewall is open

linux is not hard

[elfin meteor]

im very stupid.

elaborate on firewall open

[peak cloak]

very good guide: https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-make-minecraft-server-on-ubuntu-20-04/

[peak cloak]

give me a sec

I'm not on windows so I have to look online for exact steps

so search windows firewall with Advanced Security

[elfin meteor]

made that

[peak cloak]

oh you made the rules already?

[elfin meteor]

ye

[peak cloak]

inbound?

[elfin meteor]

i set it to inbound

[peak cloak]

hmm idk

is the server running?

when you are testing?

[elfin meteor]

im gonna check to see if the port is open now o.o

[peak cloak]

because if the server doesn't repond with anything the port checker has no clue if it's open or not

[peak cloak]

have you port forwarded before?

[elfin meteor]

yes

[peak cloak]

ok

[elfin meteor]

and it worked before
idk why its not now

didnt change anything

[peak cloak]

try in windows firewall

not on the server properties

[elfin meteor]

Uhhh where would i try in firewall

[peak cloak]

open windows firewall

[elfin meteor]

i got the thing with long lists of rules

[peak cloak]

yeah

click on inbound rules on the left

[elfin meteor]

kk

[peak cloak]

and then new rule

[elfin meteor]

already set 25565 tho

[peak cloak]

then do port

you already did this in windows firewall?

[elfin meteor]

ye

[peak cloak]

oh

then idk

can you connect locally?

[elfin meteor]

checking 1s

[peak cloak]

that will eliminate the server as the issue

[elfin meteor]

its heavily modded server, so it will take a sec to boot up

[peak cloak]

ok

[elfin meteor]

oop

1s

Wrong chat on steam

only this works

[peak cloak]

yeah ok

so the server works

and I think that's the only way it would work for you if you router doesn't support NAT-loopback

[elfin meteor]

whats that?

[peak cloak]

ok, so the problem is port forwarding

[elfin meteor]

do you think it'd be best to completely reset my routers settings?

[peak cloak]

kinda complicated, but basically allows you to connect to services on your LAN using the WAN ip

[peak cloak]

nah

ok so you are sure you are not under CG-NAT?

[elfin meteor]

idk what that is

i can call and screenshare if you want

[peak cloak]

can't really

[elfin meteor]

kk

[peak cloak]

show the portforwarding settings again?

hmm

btw you have a public IP visible

ipv6

in ipv6 there is no NAT

[elfin meteor]

meh, if i get knocked, free lawsuit and money

[peak cloak]

nah, just wanted to tell you

[elfin meteor]

thx anyways <3

[peak cloak]

you can just blur out like the first 4 octetes

so

[elfin meteor]

kk

i understand that

alrighty! whats next?

[peak cloak]

idk really

port forwarding seems fine

[elfin meteor]

im on ethernet if thats an issue

[peak cloak]

crystal on the server said Asus has bad router firmware

no that's good

[elfin meteor]

its a netgear nighthawk xr300 gamin router

[peak cloak]

ah

let me check something

[elfin meteor]

originally i had it entirely set up

even had my own custom ip that linked thru cloudflare and freenom

didnt even need the :25565 at the end

[peak cloak]

you shouldn't

that's the default mc port

[elfin meteor]

should i do a reset on settings?

[peak cloak]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[elfin meteor]

just to see if that fixes it?

[peak cloak]

the only thing I can think of is bad router or CG-NAT

[elfin meteor]

Whats cg-nat?

[peak cloak]

but I doubt it since you said you could port forward before

[elfin meteor]

I have this old router that is an older version of netgear, should i see if that works?

[peak cloak]

nah

if only you could check the IP of the wan interface on the router

to eliminate CG-NAT as a problem

[elfin meteor]

Where would i go for wan interface

[peak cloak]

no clue

each router is different

for me it's right on the main page with all the interfaces listed

see:

[elfin meteor]

may i dm ya?

@peak cloak

[peak cloak]

yeah sure

[hollow axle]

Network gear with gui? Psh, rubbish

[hollow axle]

Who fed linus BS fiber information?

GUIs are great until you either need to restore a configuration, troubleshoot an issue or make large changes

[hollow marlin]

Most of it was correct.
And yeah, GUIs are only good for graphing in my eyes

[hollow axle]

Um, the ranges were not, noone uses crap optics when making money on them

OM3 is worthless garbage, OM4+ or gtfo

[hollow marlin]

Screw MM. SM is the only way to go

[hollow axle]

SM is good for some things. I prefer to just hand off to DWDM as multi since the optics are cheaper and let it do it's magic

[neat oracle]

If i buy two 10G SFP+ networkcards like Mellanox ones and put them in 2 PCs, do i need a switch or does peer to peer work with that config?

[twin zealot]

in the best case you would only have to give them an ip via control panel

worst case scenario idk

[tame carbon]

nerds

@neat oracle depends.

You can set up a static IP on both sides and have a direct network link

or you add a switch inbetween

https://mikrotik.com/product/crs305_1g_4s_in

Something like this ^

if you have a slower part of your network, you'd plug that into the ether1 port

and all the high speed devices go on the SFP+ ports

@elfin meteor I would strongly advise against buying those 6-legged routers from ASUS and Netgear

ASUS specifically, cannot even implement mundane features according to the specification

and are a pain in the butt to use

both Netgear and ASUS, at the prices they ask for those routers, are a total and complete ripoff.

You're better off buying a decent ethernet router with seperate access points

you'd get more for the same amount of money

[elfin meteor]

would if i got the moneys

[tame carbon]

@elfin meteor Well, the point being

you pay for a device, that is not supported in 3 years from now

lacks features

lacks updates

and I think a device that costs more than 300 bucks, should have at least 5 years support with regular updates

[elfin meteor]

i got it for 60 at walmart

[tame carbon]

oh, then we are talking about completely different devices

[elfin meteor]

xr300 gaming router

netgear

[tame carbon]

"Gaming" router

[elfin meteor]

yes

i know

its what the router is called

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/6LNoNVi.png

?

[elfin meteor]

no

xr300

[twin zealot]

it says xr300 in description

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/3YwQyxS.png

[twin zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-face-palm-seriously-exasperated-gif-7304550

[elfin meteor]

ye

its 6 am

i havent slept yet

[twin zealot]

no

[tame carbon]

@elfin meteor that looks like a ripoff to me

[twin zealot]

its 12:30

[tame carbon]

https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac3

This runs circles around that device

[elfin meteor]

As i said

Bought it for 60

On sale

At walmart

[tame carbon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

https://i.imgur.com/3YwQyxS.png

That 1.75Gbps is such bs

if that is total routing capacity, its a friggen. joke

that hAP ac3 https://i.imgur.com/FNMxj07.png

guarantees 2gbit/s with 25 filter rules

[elfin meteor]

look

i aint tryna be rude

but, as of right now, i honestly dont really care.
if it was yesterday earlier in the day, i would be 100% hell yeah lets talk about it

but ive spent the last idk how long setting up a servers permissions and im exhausted and dont particuarlly care

[tame carbon]

I only saw the chat this morning ^^ I spent the entire day yesterday playing Civilization

[elfin meteor]

awesome cool

no hate on you

just right now

[tame carbon]

@elfin meteor I just like to help out people make good purchases :)

[elfin meteor]

i bought it in july last year

[tame carbon]

@elfin meteor lot of people make fail purchases with a $300 router

[elfin meteor]

stop tagging me

it was 60 bucks when i bought it

[tame carbon]

[twin zealot]

@elfin meteor

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/fSQqO4j.png

[elfin meteor]

doesnt mute @'s

[tame carbon]

Yes it does :P

[elfin meteor]

i have this server muted

[twin zealot]

notifications settings

[elfin meteor]

no it doesnt.

[tame carbon]

big deal

[brave wagon]

hey does anyone know if gpon has a specific cable for it or i can just use any mm fiber cable

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon depends on the fiber optic medium used. I'm not familair with GPON specifics

might want to ask @rocky badge

[brave wagon]

thank you anyway

[brave wagon]

https://eu.store.ui.com/collections/unifi-network-routing-switching/products/udm-pro

should i buy that to replace my isp's free modem router

[peak cloak]

tbh nope, nope, nope

ubiquiti has gone downhill

[brave wagon]

then what should i buy

[peak cloak]

what are using it for?

[peak cloak]

you have fiber? you want to buy a router?

or modem

[brave wagon]

wait wwait wait

one at a time

im pretty bad at networking

[peak cloak]

ok, so what type of internet do you have?

fiber, cable?

[brave wagon]

fiber 1gig symetrical

[peak cloak]

ok, and the ISP has a ONT supplied?

is it fios, just curious?

[brave wagon]

no its bouygues telecom

[peak cloak]

you mentioned GPON before, they use GPON?

[brave wagon]

yes

and they do supply a ont

[peak cloak]

so you NEED to use that ONT

no way around that

[brave wagon]

ok

[peak cloak]

and the output of the ONT is ethernet?

[brave wagon]

yes

thats why i need another one

[peak cloak]

you need a router

[brave wagon]

all the router i looked at use sfp

i need a modem and a router

[peak cloak]

why a modem?

[brave wagon]

tbh id really know

thats what was written in the guide i was following

[peak cloak]

link?

[brave wagon]

its in french but ok

https://lafibre.info/remplacer-bbox/remplacement-bbox-unifi-par-edgerouter-x-sfp/

[peak cloak]

google translate exists

hmm, confused on how the ISP does it? the ONT has an SFP out?

[brave wagon]

2 sec im sending you a schematic

[peak cloak]

because here, I have fios, and it looks like thies
Fiber from street -> ONT -> Ethernet -> Router

thats it

[brave wagon]

thats what i have

sorry if i confused you

[peak cloak]

ok, so I think in the guide they are trying to get rid of the ONT

[brave wagon]

yes

[peak cloak]

unless your ISP supports it then I would advise against it, because of how GPON works. GPON itself isn't a standard, each ISP has their own way of doing things, so you can't really buy a GPON module and expect it to work. Maybe that person was able to get it to work, but here at least I don't thing anyone has

[brave wagon]

i still need to change my router anyway

[peak cloak]

Here is how PON works, other people's traffic is also sent to you(kinda)

[peak cloak]

do you mind something that takes a little networking knowledge to setup, but is a great machine

[brave wagon]

yeah

[peak cloak]

also do you need a wifi router?

this is a pretty nice and budget router

https://mikrotik.com/product/RB750Gr3

[brave wagon]

i need something where i can attach some wap with poe (prefferably)

[peak cloak]

there is also a version with a SFP port

and a poe version

[brave wagon]

i dont really need a budget router

i need something thats future proof

and i dont really mind the price

[peak cloak]

I mean there's this

https://mikrotik.com/product/rb4011igs_rm

has a sfp+ port

can do 10 gig

[brave wagon]

how much is this

[peak cloak]

200 us dollars

[brave wagon]

ok

i think im gonna take that

[peak cloak]

I don't think it has active POE though

so you would need some sort of injector

[brave wagon]

ill just take a switch

[peak cloak]

ok

[brave wagon]

i need to redo my entire network

everything is cat5

[peak cloak]

poe switches are nice

cat5e or cat5

[brave wagon]

cat

it was made 20y ago

i have only 1/100 switches

[peak cloak]

ah

[brave wagon]

half of my netswork is cpl

rest is some netgear orbis

and some intra wall cables

[peak cloak]

like this is my rack https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/387022787480387605/789118646718562314/20201217_081457.jpg

I have one WAP

[brave wagon]

i have 5

and 7cpls

[peak cloak]

cpls?

[brave wagon]

cpl's

[peak cloak]

I only need one in the center, small house

plus wooden

[brave wagon]

i dont need too much either

its just we added things over the years

[peak cloak]

I have this onehttps://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-EAP225-V3-Wireless-Supports/dp/B0781YXFBT

[brave wagon]

we have like 7 subnetworks and its a pain to manage

hey nice

[peak cloak]

wdym by subnetworks

"vlans"?

[brave wagon]

i mean that i have several cpl from different brands

and a router

[peak cloak]

cpl?

so double-NAT?

[brave wagon]

wait

2sec

yeah

but i have a lot of different nat

[peak cloak]

wow, it's a mess?

[brave wagon]

when i say cpl i mean that

[peak cloak]

oh

powerline

yeah

[brave wagon]

cpl might be a french word

[peak cloak]

maybe, I just call it powerline ethernet

[brave wagon]

anyway i need to have one nat

with everything on it

i have a ton of nas

and a server

i cant use the server because its using extremely old cable

and switches

is it a problem if i use a switch a wap and a router all from different brands ?

[peak cloak]

shouldn't

I have a router from Ubiquity (I hate it), switch from D-Link, and WAP from TP-link

vlans are a standard

same with active poe

[brave wagon]

whats wrong with ubiquity ?

[peak cloak]

well they have 2 product lines. The Er-X I have is from the EdgeMax line which is kinda better I guess. But, there are like no more updates. You can't configure ipv6 using the gui, everything ipv6 needs to be command line. Their unifi line is just like the apple of networking. They make simple things just so complicated, plus a bunch of other reasons

[brave wagon]

ok

so all i need is a router a (at least) 24 port switch and 3 wap

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon if you value your money get mikrotik

[brave wagon]

ok

[tame carbon]

if you are not tech savvy, get unifi

[brave wagon]

im gonna get a mikrotik router and switch

and see for the wap's

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon any specifics on what you need? I could recommend you some items

mikrotik has a managed wireless solution as well

where you 'promote' a router to be a controller for the wifi access points

[brave wagon]

ok so

i need a (at least) 24 port 1gig poe switch

[tame carbon]

PoE on all ports?

[brave wagon]

no

but at least 4

maybe 2 different switches

1 for poe and one normal

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon all in one PoE capable switches are rather expensive

if you have a small amount of devices, injectors may be cheape

https://mikrotik.com/product/crs328_24p_4s_rm

Though if you want a big fat switch ^

24x 1 gigabit

and 4x 10gigabit uplink

[brave wagon]

where is the price on these pages

[tame carbon]

suggested price

$379

[brave wagon]

ok

[tame carbon]

Though, this switch has PoE on all 24 ports

500 watt total power

[brave wagon]

i have between 1000 and 1500€ for the whole thing

[tame carbon]

you can easily do it for less yeah

@brave wagon what kind of uplink (internet) do you have?

[brave wagon]

i need something like 150m of 10gig ethernet

1gig symetrical fiber

[tame carbon]

right

@brave wagon at this point, there's two options

[brave wagon]

i need to rewire my whole house

[tame carbon]

either, you get a full fledge 10G router

or you get a router on a stick

https://mikrotik.com/product/rb4011igs_rm

I have this one at home ^

[brave wagon]

router on a stick ?

[peak cloak]

one one wire goes to the router

[tame carbon]

You have a 10G link between the router & switch

[tame carbon]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Router_on_a_stick_concept.png

A single 10G trunk line between the router and the switch

[brave wagon]

what should i get

[tame carbon]

the RB4011 I posted above, has 10x 1G (grouped into two groups of 5 which each totalling 2.5G

@brave wagon the RB4011 could be your core router, it is well capable of routing full 10gbit/s

and it is very fast, with its quadcore

[brave wagon]

ok

[tame carbon]

So if you paired that with the switch

[brave wagon]

and how do i connect that to my fiber link ?

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon since its only 1G, I'd use a media converter

those are like 20 bucks

https://www.tp-link.com/us/business-networking/accessory/mc220l/

Something like this ^

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/776722183119699988/777646103775674368/IMG-20200922-WA0001.jpg

This is my set up at home ^

you can see the media converter underneath, with the 1G fiber optic from the ISP

and the RB4011 has its own internal 10G go to a switch somewhere else in the building

[brave wagon]

so i take my ethernet from my ont then i plug in that then sfp to the new router

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon ISP Fiber -> Media converter -> RJ45 copper -> ether1

you use the 10G port on the RB4011 as a trunk line to your switch

it'd be a waste to plug a 1G module into a 10G port

[brave wagon]

yeah but i cant plug fiber directly into a sfp port

surely i need something

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon your ISP should provide you with an SFP module

[brave wagon]

ok

im gonna send them a mail

[tame carbon]

it depends on the fiber line itself

@brave wagon idk what ISP you have

[peak cloak]

it's GPON @tame carbon

[tame carbon]

its GPON?

oh

in that case you'll need an ONT

mikrotiks can't do GPON by themselves

[brave wagon]

thats what i tought

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon I have a Singlemode fiber coming in, no GPON

[brave wagon]

im gonna check

i have a lot of connector on a box

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon either way, at the end of the day the ONT will provide an RJ45 ethernet output

[brave wagon]

with different fiber out

[tame carbon]

you plug that ethernet port to the RB4011

its only 1G

[brave wagon]

ok

i have a huawei one but i didnt know if it would do the job

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon yeah we'd just consider this as a 'modem'

should be configurable as a bridge

so you can just forward the address of your internet to your RB4011

@brave wagon k, so we have, router, switch

RB4011 is around 190 bucks, paired with the switch, we're at 500 bucks~

[brave wagon]

can i connect the switch with the router smp

[tame carbon]

oh yeah so cabling between them

[brave wagon]

sfp

[tame carbon]

10G uses SFP+

[brave wagon]

ok

[tame carbon]

its same connector, SFP+ is compatible with SFP, just not the other way around

[brave wagon]

2sec im making a cart on a french supplier

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon for cabling, I recommend buying from fs.com

routers and switches from mikrotik, from any vendor

[brave wagon]

even in france ?

[tame carbon]

fs.com is german, so yes

[brave wagon]

ok

[tame carbon]

they ship european wide

and US too

They are stationed in Munich

and I have had great experience with them

@brave wagon https://www.fs.com/de-en/products/40109.html

[brave wagon]

i need a long fiber cable too

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon we can do that

[brave wagon]

i need to route it to my basement

[tame carbon]

150 meters you said?

[brave wagon]

no like 10

i need 150m of bulk cat7

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon fiber optics for 10G is quite cheap

[brave wagon]

its for the rest of my house

[tame carbon]

Ahh

10G on copper though?

or just 1G?

[brave wagon]

and i dont think i can afford a termination for each room with ethernet

i wanted 10g to future proof

because i need to route it through the wall and i dont want to redo that

[tame carbon]

10 meter Direct-attach 10G cabling costs 70 bucks

at that point, getting fiber is already cheaper

[brave wagon]

wait

cat7 is that expensive

[tame carbon]

cat7 is for 10G

[brave wagon]

ik

[tame carbon]

and yea

its pricy

[peak cloak]

copper 10gig is kinda expensive

[tame carbon]

cat6 is good nuf

for 1G

if indoors in walls next to electrical

get cat6a

that has extra shielding

[brave wagon]

ok

its just that i have some datacenter surplus stuff that i tought i could use

some 10g card

on rj45

[tame carbon]

those cost around 60-100 bucks

[brave wagon]

got 2 of them for free

[tame carbon]

SFP+ can always be made into RJ45 with a module

https://img-en.fs.com/images/products_cache/550x550/66613.main.jpg

Like, these exist

but cost 50 euros

[brave wagon]

yeah not worth it

[tame carbon]

thats SFP+ -> 10G RJ45

[brave wagon]

cat6a it is

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon keep in mind, that switch I recommended

it has 4x 10G

so you can always expand on your 10G networking

[brave wagon]

yeah

i think im just gonna route my room with 10gig

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon would you like me to go over the specifics for fiber modules & patch cables?

[brave wagon]

yeah thanks

[tame carbon]

https://www.fs.com/de-en/products/11555.html

So modules like these

You need two of them

SMF uses OS2 fibers, these modules need LC patch fibers

https://www.fs.com/de-en/products/40191.html

Here you can order customized lengths of pre-fabbed fiber

[brave wagon]

ok

[tame carbon]

splicing fiber yourself is next to impossible

you need expensive gear & training

@brave wagon these fiber modules require 'duplex fibers' so you have two fiber wires

one for send, and transmit

LR modules are limited to 10 kilometers

[brave wagon]

can it do 90deg angles well ?

[tame carbon]

it has a minimum bend radius

[brave wagon]

i have some bend like this

brb

2min

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/vK5Obl3.png

10mm minimum bend radius according to their docu

[brave wagon]

ok nice

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon bending a fiber still seems like heracy to me

never know when it might snap xD

[brave wagon]

im just gonna act like its a very thin ethernet cable and dont think about it

[tame carbon]

since the fiber core itself is only like 9 micrometers

[brave wagon]

x)

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon yeah they are just ethernet :D

DOM modules, but yeah the SFP makes it ethernet

[brave wagon]

i mean cat6

[twin zealot]

its just a copper cable

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon ok so cabling, router, switch

what about wireless?

you can just dot those around your house as you want

[brave wagon]

i need 3 access points

[tame carbon]

like 60 bucks per access point

[brave wagon]

oh yeah

[tame carbon]

https://mikrotik.com/product/cap_ac

[brave wagon]

i tought it might be way more

my orbi's are like 200€ unit

[tame carbon]

These are dual-band gigabit capable APs

ment for indoor use

they also have outdoor antennas

@brave wagon you can basically manage them as 'one network'

you make a provision on your RB4011

and then just add the APs to the pool

and it sends out whatever SSID you have configured

you can even do multiple wireless networks

like a guest wifi

with limited speed

[brave wagon]

just for curiosity what doeas ap mean

[tame carbon]

AP, access point

[brave wagon]

ok

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon when it comes to it, I can help you through the setup of it all

[brave wagon]

ok

[tame carbon]

mikrotik is a bit 'esoteric' when you are used to consumer routers

https://i.imgur.com/91Ta00O.png

[brave wagon]

these ap are poe ?

[brave wagon]

o ye

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon they are PoE yeah

https://i.imgur.com/KlTAyR1.png

Main management console of my RB4011 ^

[brave wagon]

can you recommand a rack too

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon nope

not really too familair with those :P

but 19" racks are all pretty much the same

[brave wagon]

im just gonna take anything from amazon then

[twin zealot]

just look at price with dept and max weight

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon that image I sent, is like 12U 19" rack

12U as in, 12 rack units

[twin zealot]

heigh

[tame carbon]

the RB4011 comes with mounting brackets for 19" racks

[brave wagon]

whats the normal depht of a server

i have one

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon depth is variable

[brave wagon]

ok

im gona check brb

[tame carbon]

networking closets and gear is not as deep as servers as

server racks are much deeper

[twin zealot]

idk

48 port poe switch can be deep

[tame carbon]

true

because it has lots of internals

and its 1U

@brave wagon the server in that image is a low-profile 2U case

like 260mm deep

very small

@brave wagon benefit of mikrotiks when configuring is that they all run the same operating system

so you can manage the switch, and the router using the same program/environment

and the wireless APs are also remotely managed

with CAPsMAN

[brave wagon]

i think mine is a little biogger

headphones for scale

[tame carbon]

yeah having exact measurements is useful when choosing a closet

@brave wagon you and I will end up having very similair setups

only difference being the switch

https://i.mt.lv/cdn/rb_images/1661_l.jpg

since i don't need that many 1G ports, I went with this switch ^

[brave wagon]

nice

that make me think

are rails universal

for servers

[tame carbon]

no

[brave wagon]

i dont have rails for mine

fuck

[tame carbon]

not every rail fits on every server

though the rails for my case, I just bought seperately with it

[brave wagon]

i mean its a hp proliant

there must be aftermarket rails out there

[peak cloak]

which one?

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon though I think you can try looking for 2U case mounts

[brave wagon]

a proliant 380g6 with 2 xeons 5540 and 72gb of ecc ram

[peak cloak]

oof

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon if you end up getting mikrotik, make sure to tag me, so I can help you with the initial setup of the router

[peak cloak]

you turned it on once?

[brave wagon]

ok

its on almost 24/7

[peak cloak]

ah, because that's a old server

and old servers are usually noisy and power hungry

[brave wagon]

it is

[tame carbon]

my server has noctua fans :3

[brave wagon]

its in my basement

my server has blomimatrons

[peak cloak]

I was thinking of getting one, but I said to myself that it needs to be at least a HP generation 8

[tame carbon]

I got a ryzen 2600 in my box

[peak cloak]

the DL20 g9 seems kinda nice

[tame carbon]

cheapest CPU with ECC support lol

[brave wagon]

nice

bruh

i can put ecc in my main

how

[tame carbon]

Unlike intel, AMD gives features

[brave wagon]

when ill change my cpu ill make it a server

a minecraft one it is

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon lol though my choice in hardware is debateable

its a mini ITX board

and I wish I had another PCIe slot

[brave wagon]

mine is a gaming board

[tame carbon]

yeah well technically mine is too

it has RGB

[brave wagon]

yes

[tame carbon]

but luckily it can be disabled in BIOS

[elfin jolt]

69% increase

[brave wagon]

but it was broken out of the biox

only the pins work

[peak cloak]

yeah you want a high clock rate for MC

[brave wagon]

yeah thats why

[peak cloak]

that old one is what freqency?

[tame carbon]

Xeons not ideal for minecraft

My gameserver network is also powered by Xeons though...

[brave wagon]

1.9

[peak cloak]

yeah

[tame carbon]

1.9GHz

[brave wagon]

but downclockes to 1

because 30€ per month in electricity is a little too much for me

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/WtQf8hG.png

[brave wagon]

stop cheating pls

[elfin jolt]

Is a MoCA adapter worth it? I only have a coaxial cable in my room

[peak cloak]

that's the OVH dedicated?

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak yuh

[brave wagon]

oh we forgot the optic cable for my ont

[tame carbon]

12 core server

with 24 threads and 64GB ram

[brave wagon]

im gonna take a pic of the connector

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon everything up to your ONT should be ISP provided

[brave wagon]

hope you can recognize it

i need a longer one

[tame carbon]

call your ISP if you need that

[brave wagon]

ok

im gonna see

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon only thing you need that ONT to do, is turn fiber into copper

once its RJ45 copper, you can do whatever you want

[brave wagon]

ik

but i want everything to happen in my basement

just for conveinance

[peak cloak]

unless the ONT has some sort of not GPON out, but doubt it

[peak cloak]

yeah that's what I have

[tame carbon]

I have everything in my attic

[peak cloak]

where is it now?

[tame carbon]

my basement has risk of flooding lol

we havent had insane downpour yet

but..

[peak cloak]

basement only flooded once 1 inch. Everything I have one down there is raised

[brave wagon]

in my 'salon' i dont know if there is a word in english

wait there is

living room

[peak cloak]

ah

the ISP routed fiber to there

[brave wagon]

yea

but i have a hole through the floor

[peak cloak]

maybe you could ask if they could move the fiber to go directly to the basement

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak lol the fiber tube was installed next to the wall near the frontdoor

[brave wagon]

i could

[tame carbon]

we used wallchaser ourselves to put it in the attic through the wall

when the ISP technician came to install the fiber through the tube

he was like: a connection in the attic, that's a first for me

[brave wagon]

ok so i need to call them to give me a longer cable and change the cable out

i think there was a third thing

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon or just keep the ONT where it is

and run a copper cable

[brave wagon]

imagine doing simple things

cringe

imagine being logic

gat outta ere

[tame carbon]

imagine an ISP that doesnt give you a longer cable

then what

[brave wagon]

then your plan

[tame carbon]

;)

I need more coffee

brb

[brave wagon]

kk

pretty sure thats the one

should i get a separate warranty

or does microtik have a good one

[tame carbon]

5 years warranty

[brave wagon]

ok nice

[tame carbon]

or 3 years, and at least 5 years software updates after purchase

something like that

[brave wagon]

ok then the switch

what was the one we found ?

[tame carbon]

CRS328 I believe

https://mikrotik.com/product/crs328_24p_4s_rm

[brave wagon]

ok

and the waps

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon technically, that switch can act as a router too

since it runs RouterOS

[brave wagon]

wait

[tame carbon]

but its not as fast as the RB4011 can do routing

[brave wagon]

ok

[tame carbon]

yeah its not as fast

https://i.imgur.com/2opdTvK.png

[brave wagon]

whats the max speed of the rb4011 again ?

[tame carbon]

if you tried routing on that switch

you'd cap out at 100% cpu @ 1gbit/s

[brave wagon]

yeah im gonna get a router

[tame carbon]

RB4011 will route 10gbit/s

with 25 filter rules

[brave wagon]

ok nice so i dont have to upgrade

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon its a router on a stick, the only downside being a single 10G link

but in your context it doesnt matter

if you wanted full 10G in/out, you'd need another 10G port

which it doesnt have

[brave wagon]

ill see in the eventuality i get 10gig fiber

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon even so

[brave wagon]

thats not for now

[tame carbon]

the RB4011 is a very nice router, and its futureproof for sure

10G port is very nice to have

access points were the cAP ac's

[brave wagon]

ok

[tame carbon]

https://mikrotik.com/product/cap_ac

@brave wagon I actually have a hAP ac2 instead of those cAP's

https://i.mt.lv/cdn/rb_images/1468_l.jpg

the internal antenna can also be remotely managed

but I got this one, in the living room to split up ethernet for the TV, and TV settop as well

the hAP ac2 is a 'home wifi router'

but you can abuse it as a switch/AP too

[brave wagon]

i think im gonna get one one of those as a switch

for the tv area

[tame carbon]

Since they run RouterOS too, you can use it as a managed AP

and they have an internal switching chip for gigabit

[brave wagon]

its those ones

[tame carbon]

yeah those are the standalone access points

[brave wagon]

ok

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon they have two ethernet ports

one is PoE in, the other passive PoE out

[brave wagon]

do you think i can daisy chain them ?

[tame carbon]

you can yeah

though you need to stay within power limits

I'd recommend 1 cable feeding 1 AP

[brave wagon]

ok

[tame carbon]

you can daisy chain for data, but I wouldnt daisy chain PoE

you can, but I wouldn't

[brave wagon]

i can inject after

[tame carbon]

sure

PoE can be toggled on/off inside the management software

[brave wagon]

i need to see the cable routes i have

i have some already inside the wall

[tame carbon]

make yourself a diagram :)

[brave wagon]

i have one

but not for all the house

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon I have the RB4011 as centerpiece, and my ISP provides me with a /29 as well

I have two tenants in other buildings behind here, that get their internet from me

so their routers are connected to mine, and they get their own public IP

[brave wagon]

i have that

then i saw the monster

[tame carbon]

my god

https://www.rack247.com/image/article/0/0/r2510-3uh

get one of these ^

you just screw them to the wall

and you have 3U

[brave wagon]

i have another problem

[tame carbon]

https://www.connectixcablingsystems.com/21769-thickbox_default/200mm-deep-wall-mounted-19-frame.jpg

[brave wagon]

how tf do i route that

its in stairs

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon does the house have PVC conduits for electricals?

[brave wagon]

i dont think so

it was built before the great war

[tame carbon]

I'm a computer engineer

not a building expert :(

[brave wagon]

i get it

i said that for the joke

ill just keep the cat5 cable up there

[peak cloak]

Here, everything is wooden and you can just cut into the drywall and run wires

[tame carbon]

patch it up

lick of paint

good as new

[brave wagon]

here the walls are made of stones

not brick

just plain stone

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon you can cut into cement bricks

[brave wagon]

i can

[tame carbon]

depends on how dirty you want to get your hands

[brave wagon]

i have the tools to but not the motivation

[tame carbon]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SpPKi_7eBcg/maxresdefault.jpg

vrooom

[brave wagon]

im gonna route every important things with cat6 and leave the rest with cat5

i dont think my sister needs 1gig ethernet

[tame carbon]

she gets 300 baud

acoustic

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Analogue_modem_-_acoustic_coupler.jpg/300px-Analogue_modem_-_acoustic_coupler.jpg

[brave wagon]

thats what i call sonic internet

its thunder fast

[tame carbon]

300 symbols/second

yeah

single words are 7 or 8 bits..

so ~37 characters/second

[brave wagon]

sped

[tame carbon]

like pokemon style dialog boxes

[tame carbon]

except your entire terminal is like that

@brave wagon those mtiks have support for LAG

[brave wagon]

ill finaly be able to use my nas

[tame carbon]

so if your Qnap has two gigabit ports

you can aggregate them together

[brave wagon]

why would i do that

its some nas drives

[tame carbon]

double the bandwidth?

you get 2gbit/s instead of 1gbit/s

[hollow marlin]

No!

[brave wagon]

No!

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin not on a single connection

I know

[hollow marlin]

ok, just making sure

lol

[tame carbon]

but its nice if you have a multiuser environment

[brave wagon]

its still some old nas drives

[tame carbon]

yeah but those do what. 100MB/s reads?

[brave wagon]

max

on a good day

[tame carbon]

you have two of them, raid should at least give you faster access speed

[brave wagon]

its raid 1

[tame carbon]

yeah

mirrors read twice as fast

as they can write

[brave wagon]

Fuck this

My router crashed

[tame carbon]

wha

how xD

[brave wagon]

Idk

Every 2h or so my router crash

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/LlOuUaG.png

[brave wagon]

I cant do this anymore

I hope im gonna get everything soon

[peak cloak]

never had issues with router crashing, uptime rn is a month because I took it offline to clean up the rack

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak tplink routers sometimes need a restart

when their wifi crashes

why it crashes is one of the universe' great mysteries

[brave wagon]

God help me

[peak cloak]

oh boy

[tame carbon]

you in dire need of an upgrade yeah

[peak cloak]

I used to run ethernet across the hallway in one of these

[brave wagon]

Safety thirs

Third

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak that material better not be flamable

[peak cloak]

idk, it's pipe insulation

[tame carbon]

maniacs running 60 watts over PoE

[peak cloak]

it wasn't in the walls

[tame carbon]

I smell a housefire about to happen

[peak cloak]

and not running poe

[tame carbon]

[peak cloak]

first it was to connect modem to my router across the hall so I could have ethernet

[brave wagon]

Ok im gonna die

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak lol I think I never told this story before with fs.com

[peak cloak]

next I moved modem and router downstairs and that was used to connect the switch up

[brave wagon]

I need to find wich one of all the cable in the first picture is for the office

[tame carbon]

but first time i bought something from them, I actually picked the wrong fiber modules for the setup I wanted

and a rep emailed me after I ordered it, and asked if I was sure that this is what I wanted

[brave wagon]

The first picture was in my basement and the office is on the second floor

[tame carbon]

and she then corrected the order before it got sent out

so they do have an actual customer support that takes time and effort

[brave wagon]

Btw where do you live crystal

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon as you would call it: Pays bas

The Netherlands

[brave wagon]

Ok

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon https://online.visual-paradigm.com/app/diagrams/#diagram:proj=0&type=NetworkDiagram

That's a nice little drawing tool for networking diagrams and such

[brave wagon]

Thank yoi

I was looking for this

[hollow marlin]

@tame carbon Nah, diagrams.net (formerly draw.io) is where its at https://app.diagrams.net/
Local client too

[peak cloak]

oh, it's open source

https://github.com/jgraph/drawio-desktop/releases/tag/v14.1.8

nice

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin Thanks!

@peak cloak lol casually linking me to binaries

who needs those

git clone https://github.com/jgraph/drawio-desktop.git
Cloning into 'drawio-desktop'...
remote: Enumerating objects: 1390, done.
remote: Total 1390 (delta 0), reused 0 (delta 0), pack-reused 1390
Receiving objects: 100% (1390/1390), 1.50 MiB | 0 bytes/s, done.
Resolving deltas: 100% (807/807), done.
Checking connectivity... done.

https://i.imgur.com/k5oHyyv.png

eZ

[hollow marlin]

Yeah I use it for 90% of my diagrams and only Visio for presentations or saving the diagrams.net as vsdx and then uploading for documentation

[tame carbon]

the fuck

https://i.imgur.com/ldyHB7Z.png

installed globally?

oh

rtfm

@hollow marlin lol ok that makes sense

git clone --recursive https://github.com/jgraph/drawio-desktop.git
Cloning into 'drawio-desktop'...
remote: Enumerating objects: 1390, done.
remote: Total 1390 (delta 0), reused 0 (delta 0), pack-reused 1390
Receiving objects: 100% (1390/1390), 1.50 MiB | 2.18 MiB/s, done.
Resolving deltas: 100% (807/807), done.
Checking connectivity... done.
Submodule 'drawio' (https://github.com/jgraph/drawio.git) registered for path 'drawio'
Cloning into 'drawio'...
remote: Enumerating objects: 89, done.
remote: Counting objects: 100% (89/89), done.
remote: Compressing objects: 100% (74/74), done.
remote: Total 39417 (delta 33), reused 27 (delta 12), pack-reused 39328
Receiving objects: 100% (39417/39417), 555.04 MiB | 27.90 MiB/s, done.
Resolving deltas:  37% (8629/22980)   

I was already wondering. 1.5MB that can't be right

[brave wagon]

ok so i need to contact an electrician

to run the new lines

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon I mean, that would be the cleanest way

https://tenor.com/view/money-dollars-cash-rich-shut-up-and-take-my-money-gif-3555042

[brave wagon]

i would have done it myself but my mom doesnt want me to

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon if you are making an electrician do wall outlets

may want cat7

if you plan on running 10G later on

or just ignore that, run fiber optics through the house

[peak cloak]

@brave wagon also get yourself a patch panel

[tame carbon]

yeah that's kinda what you'd want

@brave wagon patch panel installation is kinda what you'd want

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/776722183119699988/777646103775674368/IMG-20200922-WA0001.jpg

[brave wagon]

what

[peak cloak]

best practice is to punch down the wire after a run in the wall

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon the rack unit at the top

[peak cloak]

so no crimping

[tame carbon]

those 1-16

are outlets in the house

[brave wagon]

oh ok

ill see

i dont have that much space

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon you just make all the cables come together in the basement

[peak cloak]

example of a really simple patch panel

[tame carbon]

and then put one of these patch panels in front of it

yeah^

running cables from the wall, directly in a rack

is messy

so you make them perfect to length to a patch panel

and then route from there with short patch cables

so the empty rack

is just a termination panel at the top

with a bundle of cables that feed the house

if you want a minimal setup

you do only outlets where the TV is and where computers are likely to be

as well as any additional places where you also need wireless coverage

[peak cloak]

I do runs as I need them

[tame carbon]

since you have a big 24 port switch

you may want 2 outlets per socket

https://i.stack.imgur.com/6y9Ar.jpg

something like this, but shielded ^

[peak cloak]

Euopean outlets

[tame carbon]

yes

[peak cloak]

we either have these

[tame carbon]

yeah american outlets are weird

[peak cloak]

never used that

[tame carbon]

for starters

they smile at you

:o

https://i.imgur.com/jkpMUrJ.png

[peak cloak]

or this

[tame carbon]

yeah

ours are square

:P

[peak cloak]

where it's a keystones

[tame carbon]

you and your keystones

punchdown is cheaper :P

[peak cloak]

it's a punchdown keystone

[tame carbon]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/66_block.JPG

this is where its at

[brave wagon]

i need to buy some outlets now

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon but your electrician would know what to get in this case

[peak cloak]

@tame carbon also it's what I have. I never had to buy them, I just had a bunch lying around

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon I'd leave the physical installation of the patch panel and outlets to a professional

if you want it done well and proper

if done properly

[brave wagon]

yeah but do i need to buy the outlets before

idk

[tame carbon]

it can last 30 years or as long as the house is standing

[peak cloak]

In NA you can get these low voltage old work outlets

[tame carbon]

@brave wagon ask the contractor??

I mean, I'd get in touch and ask

[peak cloak]

idk what you have in Europe

[brave wagon]

yeah

[tame carbon]

you have a rough sketch of what you want done

if you have a clear diagram