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twin zealot
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at least is doenst have rgb and stupid antennas

tame carbon
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hehe

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Oh. not bad

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@jaunty talon so the people at cisco did have half a brain

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it has a 5G wan port

jaunty talon
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why is that better?

tame carbon
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beats 2.5G

jaunty talon
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lol

tame carbon
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at a lower pricepoint

jaunty talon
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but not a 10G SFP+

twin zealot
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so you need either an cat 7 or cat 6a for that

tame carbon
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yeah, its still F-tier

jaunty talon
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no ISP uses CPE's with anything but 10G or 1G anyway

tame carbon
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Oh no..

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TPLink. WHY.

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WHY.

twin zealot
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this is the non gamerside of rog

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just the antennas

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not the rgb

jaunty talon
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So much hate :D

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Have you even tried their products? :D

tame carbon
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@jaunty talon every single tplink router I've had has died

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and that's three routers

jaunty talon
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tplink sure

tame carbon
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consequtively

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every ~3 odd years

twin zealot
tame carbon
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its a switch

twin zealot
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only good product because it was 10 euros

tame carbon
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there's not much you can mess up with those

twin zealot
jaunty talon
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but a router product then

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:D

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the ones you're ranting about

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:D

tame carbon
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@jaunty talon I had a netgear router too, like 6 years ago

twin zealot
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no, rather have an netgear draytek or unifi / ubiquity

tame carbon
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but I had lot of connectivity issues with them

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specifically, something I've noticed with a lot of home wifi routers

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when the wifi, just dies.

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and you need to restart the device

jaunty talon
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I have had asus and netgear routers many times and they have served me well

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fulfills the NAT spec etc

tame carbon
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oh ye

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if you dont need more than a NAT

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then it works

jaunty talon
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well who does at home??

twin zealot
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draytek is great because it has an on or of button so for a restart you dont even need to replug the adapter

tame carbon
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draytek at least has some more advanced config options

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@jaunty talon You're right, nobody. But I also think that someone who has 1G fiber, does not need a $500 router

jaunty talon
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It's not like you can compare a ASR901 with MX204 even tho they're routers they have completely different usecases

tame carbon
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I bet you have an ASR901 behind the couch

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serving bootleg 4K footage >_>

jaunty talon
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hello no

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i have that netgate

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i pasted

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super happy

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does 4x openvpn tunnels and nat's very well my 1G linerate

tame carbon
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@jaunty talon I was done with ASUS the moment I realized they can't even implement a DHCP client xD

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It ignored the DNS servers provided by the DHCP server

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And then, the downstream DHCP server it provides for LAN, inserts itself as primary DNS server

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with no way to override

twin zealot
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just let asus build cases but nothing more

tame carbon
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and if you browse to 192.168.172.1, it forces a redirect to router.asus.com which resolves to that same IP

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but if you manually override your DNS server

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you can no longer manage your router

twin zealot
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wtf

twin zealot
tame carbon
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@twin zealot yeah

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this is up there with r/assholedesign

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@twin zealot no the fix was uhh

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@twin zealot right here ^

twin zealot
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ah nice

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linux i see

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but wich distro?

tame carbon
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Ubuntu 16.04 LTS

tame carbon
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w/ GNOME desktop

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ubuntu 16 is normally with Unity

twin zealot
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your still on 16

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not 20

tame carbon
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yep

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yep

twin zealot
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oh my gosh

tame carbon
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Still gets updates :)

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@twin zealot using the oldest kernel that is still maintained

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4.4.0

twin zealot
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let me run

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away

tame carbon
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4.4.252

twin zealot
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currently on windows because school applications you have to have

tame carbon
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Linux watomat 4.4.233 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Sep 23 16:25:48 CEST 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

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@twin zealot I modified the crap out of this system

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not really keen on having to reinstall everything

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so I've been putting off this upgrade for years now

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manually patching my system if something breaks

twin zealot
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and that one is modified as hell

tame carbon
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@twin zealot I just downloaded the ubuntu distro kernel sources

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and tossed out all the shit I don't need

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also set the kernel to be preemptible, so it doesn't freeze if a background process hogs the CPU

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Gnome is very picky. and has a tendency to lock up under heavy load

twin zealot
tame carbon
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low power machine eh?

twin zealot
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i know there better options but look at the lid

twin zealot
tame carbon
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64G storage

twin zealot
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there better deals out there, but look at the lid

tame carbon
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better be upgradeable

twin zealot
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how much you need

tame carbon
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still

twin zealot
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iam now on my main notebook, 256 m.2 + 500 gb m.2 + 1tb hdd

tame carbon
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Disk /dev/sda: 465,8 GiB, 500107862016 bytes, 976773168 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disklabel type: gpt
Disk identifier: B61A5F03-6CE2-468F-ACB8-4319E5E765AC

Device         Start       End   Sectors   Size Type
/dev/sda1       2048    923647    921600   450M Windows recovery environment
/dev/sda2     923648   1126399    202752    99M EFI System
/dev/sda3    1126400   1159167     32768    16M Microsoft reserved
/dev/sda4    1159168 381900799 380741632 181,6G Microsoft basic data
/dev/sda5  381900800 967204863 585304064 279,1G Linux filesystem
/dev/sda6  967204864 976771071   9566208   4,6G Linux swap
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Oh, so thats where all my storage space went

twin zealot
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what kind of swap do you have?

tame carbon
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there's different kinds?

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@twin zealot pretty sure this is just a swap filesystem, nothing special

twin zealot
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yes but not in this example

tame carbon
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its a partition

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swap files are messy

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its what windows does

twin zealot
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in windows you can also make an partition you dedicate to swap

tame carbon
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oh, that must be new

twin zealot
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yes and

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no

tame carbon
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probably a registry hack

twin zealot
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just do nothing with the partition and select it as swap

tame carbon
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mh

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from what I remember, its somewhere in system settings

twin zealot
tame carbon
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you could resize swap, but not the path or device

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it would always be on C:\

twin zealot
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oh fuck, it can only be on the partition of where win is installed

tame carbon
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^^

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@twin zealot did you just once again confirm that windows is ass?

twin zealot
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yes and no

tame carbon
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I bash on windows all day, but I also use it everyday

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to play games on :)

tame carbon
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@twin zealot oh so you can move the file

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but not do a parition based swap

twin zealot
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yes

tame carbon
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understandable

twin zealot
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by not putting anything on the partition

tame carbon
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because windows only speaks NTFS natively

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and that was sarcasm

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I know it does other filesystems

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but not by default

tame carbon
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Lovely.

tribal ferry
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I’m trying to get Apple AirPrint to work over two VLANs, a secure internal and a segregated IoT. I’ve been unsuccessful so far.

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Is there a certain port that needs to be whitelisted?

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I have the mDNS repeater turned on.

unborn sluice
tribal ferry
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Rebooted it and it started working again, hm.

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I’ve rebooted it before and it still didn’t work.

tame carbon
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wat

unborn sluice
unborn sluice
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guess you aren't linked with them

waxen scroll
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@tame carbon thats why I give up

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I changed to using unique passwords for every site

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I must have 100 passwords now

foggy pike
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Does anybody know how to configure a voice vlan on a HP 5130 core switch? I can’t find any good documentation on it from HP

waxen scroll
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have you tried finding out what they call their OS and then search that way? if you only search the switch model it wont help

distant radish
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What do you need out of a voice VLAN, is it just traffic segregation, if so its the same as any other VLAN unless you are really hammering your LAN traffic wise, or are you using it in addition to classify and mark the traffic for transport over a bandwidth constrained WAN link? If so a search for "hp 5130 qos configuration guide" top hit from page 16 onwards goes thru QoS. An alternate over all the manual QoS setup would be to do a search on "HP 5130 Auto QoS" which comes up with some examples and gotchas on the subject mainly to do with LLDP.

tame carbon
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@distant radish pretty sure they mean a VLAN for voice services

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its not uncommon for ISPs to deliver different services using VLANs

hollow marlin
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voice VLAN is a thing

tame carbon
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isnt that just SIP over a VLAN ?

hollow marlin
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Its used with LLDP-MED to advertise a specific VLAN for voice devices to use for voice and will allow access ports to use untagged for data and will tag voice traffic

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The voice VLAN its mapped to is just a normal VLAN, just "voice VLAN" is typically referred to the port level configuration

tame carbon
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@hollow marlin is that what those IP phones use for flex-work ?

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Not sure how to explain this, since Idk the terminology

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I've seen these before

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a desk, with a phone, that has an ethernet out

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you log into the phone, and then get internet through that

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so that if you are connected, you are also reachable by phone

hollow marlin
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Typically yes, the pass through LAN is just untagged unless the phone is configured to tag it and the phone will tag it's voice traffic

tame carbon
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neat

peak cloak
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oh those phones were everywhere at my old school

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oh that's what they did

tame carbon
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@peak cloak cisco sells phones like these

peak cloak
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yeah they were all cisco

tame carbon
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PoE, quite a neat solution

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no cable clutter

hollow marlin
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Cisco, Polycom, Mitel, etc. Almost all IP phones support LLDP-MED and should be configured to do so

distant radish
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@tame carbon Oh I agree, it depends on the transport service provided by the SP and on how they require that the network based traffic is to be presented to them. Are they providing a L2 based service for example E-Line or E-LAN or a L3 based service for example MPLS, Internet etc.. Is it wires-only or with some sort of SP provided CPE. An NTU for L2, router for L3. Then how is the segregated traffic presented on the CPE, separate LAN ports or VLAN trunk. Lots of options.. I agree go for the easy straight forward option 90+% of Enterprise networks I've worked on have either used Auto QOS + LLDP or nothing on their LAN's

tame carbon
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@distant radish I got into enterprise networking from the consumer market

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bunch of the standards they use are still new to me

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ever since I got a 0-bs internet plan, and a proper router, I have been enlightened

distant radish
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@tame carbon All I've ever done is Enterprise, been working on Cisco since '94. Consumer is constrained to my home network, even thou I've git Cisco and Meraki test networks hanging off it 😕

tame carbon
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@distant radish oof

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basics of TCP and such I learned through coding

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implementing networked applications

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at some point, you just teach yourself how 2 networking

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moving away from consumer routers, and getting mikrotik was the best idea I ever had

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and I had to, since my ISP forwards a /29 to my WAN

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and consumer routers cannot deal with this

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best I could do xD

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I think it looks pretty good, for someone who's never dressed a rack before

surreal finch
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Yeah one of the best things i did was move away from consumer network gear. Whole network is ran by Fortinet here at my home.

tame carbon
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I posted this earlier today

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for the memes

distant radish
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@tame carbon one of the main reasons SP's split traffic across VLAN's as you have shown, is that so they can apply different contracted service policies on them. For example internet best effort, TV with X always guaranteed bandwidth, with Y latency and so on. Not bad! things to consider are, if you have to replace a device in the future, 1: can I install next to it and swing cables across, 2: radius of any bends on optical fibre

tame carbon
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@distant radish yeah, that's one of the major benefits. internet is 250 mbit guaranteed, regardless of TV or not

distant radish
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I've a right mix here, Huawei, Netgear, Cisco, Draytek & Meraki

tame carbon
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on ADSL, IPTV takes away from the internet bandwidth

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all mikrotik xD

surreal finch
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Nice

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Oh i do have Ubiquiti for PtP wireless bridge

tame carbon
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this is such a cool feature

surreal finch
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@tame carbon pardon the ignorance here, but what is this feature

tame carbon
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Ah uh

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Controlled access points

surreal finch
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ahh

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haha

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CAP got me thinking CAPWAP for fortinet

tame carbon
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so you can just hook up any kind of mikrotik board

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and one device can assume the role of 'controller'

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if I go onto the actual mtik with the antenna

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you see this:

distant radish
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I've only seen Mikrotik on networks, where I've been looking at doing a WITO (Walk In Take Over) of their LAN estate, usually its then been transformed out to Cisco or Meraki as that way the toolsets exist for the high level automation involved to make the books balance. Did one network last year where we replaced 2000+ Nokia switches for a Cisco SD-LAN for the heavy automation we could do on it

tame carbon
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@distant radish what's WITO?

surreal finch
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Yeah having the router/firewall as the wireless controller at the same time is super nice. One of the features I love about my fortigate.

tame carbon
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@surreal finch you can even do multiple SSIDs

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and then define a VLAN for them

surreal finch
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heck yeah!

tame carbon
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have a guest network, with a queue to do rate limitng and such

surreal finch
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love commercial grade gear

tame carbon
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enterprise*

surreal finch
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haha

tame carbon
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its all commercial grade

surreal finch
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true that

tame carbon
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in that, it makes money

surreal finch
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enterprise is a better way putting it

distant radish
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Walk in and take Over the customers existing LAN/WAN estate, where you manage it on their behalf. Usually Enterprises sweat their LAN estates and its common to see a lot of end of life switches/APs in the network with no support beyond whatever hardware still exists in the supply chain or EBay. Business case is based on doing it cheaper/better than they or their existing supplier can. Only really works well if you can leverage existing tools and skills within you org. For example its no good taking on X vendor switches if you are a Y house.

peak cloak
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urghhh why does unifi have to be so annoying. I bought the Unifi switch flex mini because it was the cheapest active poe powered "managed" switch and now adoption is failing

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I needed to be able to use vlans

surreal finch
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I have heard a lot of complaints when it comes to ubiquiti. Mainly when it comes to techincal needs like that.

tame carbon
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@distant radish I guess I do some of that too. I have two companies in the area that ring me up when they need someone to look at their network

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and I also provide IP services for two entities

peak cloak
tame carbon
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its the apple of networking

peak cloak
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yep

surreal finch
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Yeah that is what I heard as well. I was looking at going with them awhile back. But I was fortunate enough to have my companies Fortinet sales engineer hook us up with some pretty sweet gear from them, fortigates, switches, AP's. As well as Fortimanager and Fortianalyzer which I run in a VM.

distant radish
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I've used the Apple vs Android for Meraki vs Cisco. Mainly as there's no real cost difference to be had in them, until you try and factor in the operations costs for either

tame carbon
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@distant radish it suddenly makes sense when you compare mikrotik to unifi

surreal finch
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😛

tame carbon
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then its like pc vs apple

surreal finch
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speaking of pc just added 32gigs more of ram to my workstation

tame carbon
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so thats why the ram prices hiked

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my first PC had 16MB ram

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ran windows 95

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and I could play age of empires on it

surreal finch
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OMG, I can't remember what my first PC had. I was lucky and paid under $150 for 32 GB 3200Mhz 16CL ram

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haha

tame carbon
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I dont remember the specs

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it was a hand me down

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I wasnt tech savvy back then

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just into computers

surreal finch
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same here

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not like I am now lol

tame carbon
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well, now its like 10-15 years later

surreal finch
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right!

tame carbon
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and am still using 'mostly' the same PC I bought 10 years ago

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over the years, its received three graphics cards upgrades

surreal finch
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haha that is awesome.

tame carbon
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and just recently, I swapped out the board after 9 years

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the i7 2700k ran at like 4.5GHz for 7 years

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only its last two years it ran at stock speeds

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before daily crashes happened regularly

distant radish
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Early 90's RAM raiders was a term used for thieves breaking into businesses and just stealing the RAM out of PC's it was silly

tame carbon
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and I got a replacement board, ram, and PSU for good measure

surreal finch
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Yeah I just had to completely upgrade the PC early 2020. Need a good workstation/gaming rig. Didn't think I would be working from home as much when I built it or I would have put 64GB ram into it. I now run my fortianalyzer fortimanager, cisco virl stuff on there. plus other VM's not essential to networking

tame carbon
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The i7 2700k was the hot shit back in the day

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cost me like 400 euros

surreal finch
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yeah I have a i7 4790k that has been running for over 10 years now.

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its my sons pc now lol

tame carbon
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wat

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its not even that old

surreal finch
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uhhh

tame carbon
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4790k is like 7 years at most

distant radish
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I retired my 4770K last year I'd got it in 2013

surreal finch
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yeah it just feels that old

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it launched in 2014

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so yeah 7 years

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yes @cold geode

tame carbon
peak cloak
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tighter twist and I think larger guage of wire @cold geode

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rated to a high freqency

tame carbon
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people be wining that intel is slow on the 8nm

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I was using 32nm in 2019

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no 'slow' as in, 'slow to deliver to market'

distant radish
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Only if you are looking at some limited 10G on your LAN

surreal finch
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cat 6 will provide up to 10Gb, cat 5e 1gig

peak cloak
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I built my first pc like 5 years ago I think with a i5-7600K and still use it to this day. Just upgraded the GPU to 1070ti

tame carbon
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don't do 10G on copper

surreal finch
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yeah that is the biggest difference between them, that and cost probably

tame carbon
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the level of shielding required

distant radish
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Depending on your SFP costs of course

tame carbon
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ultimately the kicker for the i7 2700k, was when I put in my GTX980

peak cloak
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kinda

tame carbon
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Just the bandwidth on that PCIe 2.0 bus

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was really limiting the graphics card

surreal finch
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haha right!

peak cloak
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the biggest cost of fiber is the SFP or SFP+ pcie cards

surreal finch
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^^^

tame carbon
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I also ditched intel completely

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AMD is firmly king for me

surreal finch
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yeah I just ditched intel and went back to AMD

tame carbon
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I had never used amd

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except a really old xp laptop with athlon

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that thing was garbage

surreal finch
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the 4790k was the most recent intel chip I had used. Before that was using AMD

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now running the 3900x

distant radish
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Mind you Cat6 will prob work better on 2.5G or 5G.

tame carbon
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@surreal finch the laptop I run linux on, is one of those pathetic i7 chips that intel came out with

surreal finch
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lol

tame carbon
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i7 5500U, duo core with HT @ 3GHz boost

surreal finch
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oh yeah!!

tame carbon
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only thing it has going for it

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is the sweet sweet memory bandwidth

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27GB/s

surreal finch
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3GHz BOOOOOOoooossttt

tame carbon
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so doing hardware operations

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and writing and reading from memory

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was still very fast

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like, my quadcore i7 2700k did maybe 32GB/s memory bandwidth

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I use that as a 'rough' estimate of how fast the system is

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nevermind those stupid cinebench thingies

surreal finch
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haha

tame carbon
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memory bandwidth is usually a good indicator of raw speed

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if you have all cores doing a memory copy operation

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and you just see how fast it goes

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@surreal finch lol this laptop is so trash though, the moment it needs any form of number crunching

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it just turns into an oven

surreal finch
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haha dang

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What all are you using it for?

tame carbon
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well, I mostly write code

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and that's not so heavy on the resources usually

surreal finch
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ahh yeah

tame carbon
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depends on size of project and language ofcourse, compilation can be very heavy

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my largest projects take about 20 seconds to compile

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on the desktop maybe 5 secs

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partial compilation when debugging is nice, takes half a second

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@surreal finch but when new kernel version comes out, I need to rebuild it

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and that takes over an hour

surreal finch
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Good times

cedar igloo
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Hi all, sorry to interrupt. I can access my CCTV system from outside my network (without a VPN) and I am wondering how this works. I did not configure any port forwarding and I'm pretty sure it doesn't sync to external servers.

tame carbon
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There's no interruption in chat

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no worries

peak cloak
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upnp @cedar igloo

tame carbon
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@cedar igloo disable UPnP, make sure the fw is enabled

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@peak cloak this is such bs lol

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why would a camera upnp by default

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its so stupid

peak cloak
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yeah, upnp is basically automatic port forwarding, pretty insecure

cedar igloo
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I'm not complaining that it does this. I'm just wondering if i can configure my own web servers and stuff to use this

peak cloak
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you don't want to, it's a security risk

tame carbon
peak cloak
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you want to be able to know what's being opened to the internet what's not

tame carbon
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@cedar igloo I see you

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maybe you end up on it too

surreal finch
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that is hillarious

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the site

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wow

cedar igloo
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luckily mine has authentication

surreal finch
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Yeah @cedar igloo, personally I would lock the firewall down, and set it so it is only accessable via VPN

tame carbon
surreal finch
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having it exposed like that, just opens you up to potential security risks...

tame carbon
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You can just look into random people's backyard

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cus they didnt secure their routers

surreal finch
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even with authentication

tame carbon
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lost most of these ip cams have 'security'

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90%+ of them are easily rootable over the network

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and most have backdoors

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or easily exploitable software

surreal finch
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yep

tame carbon
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Good luck

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There's a database of devices, software versions and hardware that can be exploited

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if a device is on this list, I would think real good and hard before you actually turn it on

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I have mine on a completely isolated subnet and vlan, only accessible by one virtual machine on my network

cedar igloo
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I've always thought the CCTV wasnt very secure as it uses HTTP and both the username and password is present in the URL

tame carbon
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@cedar igloo you can set up a local proxy for it

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that does SSL offloading

cedar igloo
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tbf, I dont "own" the CCTV. It's my parents but I set it up for them, and do everything when it goes wrong. Now it is working, i cant do anything to it as their thinking is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"

tame carbon
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still have to fix my other amplifier

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headphones just not as good as real bass :/

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and I miss being able to party ;(

cedar igloo
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does that site you sent - insecam.org bypass auth? i've clicked a random camera and it's showing a login prompt, but the site has the live feed...

tame carbon
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@cedar igloo yeah these are all exploited cameras

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this is why you never connect the camera directly to the public internet

cedar igloo
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hopefully manually exploited though, right?

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like its not automated?

tame carbon
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at this point

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it could well be automated

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I've seen oneliner scripts that can exploit the device

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and drop you into a root shell

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or change password and give you details in your terminal

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just watch some DEF CON talks

peak cloak
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I should buy some random camera and try to exploit it for fun

tame carbon
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you'll never feel the same after that

peak cloak
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could be a nice learning experience

surreal finch
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would be a great learning experience

tame carbon
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ah

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for this !

surreal finch
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I am all about doing things like that

tame carbon
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I have a talk you must watch

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This is a great one ^

peak cloak
#

ay, I just switched back to linux, time to setup KVM again

tame carbon
#

Black Hat 2013 - Exploiting Network Surveillance Cameras Like a Hollywood Hacker

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xD

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he basically shows that after you pwned the device

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that you can manipulate the video feed

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like in movies

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lol how he disses on dlink

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I mean, rightly so

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that program there, was unprotected, and ran a shellscript as root

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And it goes both ways xD

peak cloak
#

pretty cool vid

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just watched all of it

tame carbon
#

@peak cloak yeah and consider this

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all smart home devices

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could have these bugs

#

this is why I am quite weary with smart items

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I don't trust a company who makes toasters or TVs to know anything about cyber security

#

and what he stated

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'I am in your network, and I am root'

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is still a great place to be in as an attacker

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I can see you, is just a meme

waxen scroll
#

then you should see what APC's parent company is doing... lol

#

be very afraid

deft fog
#

hi, im looking for help on my powerEdge r710 server im runing proxmox and its not geting accses to the internet can any one help me out?

distant radish
#

I agree IoT (Internet of Things) has been quite the buzzword for some while, I refer to it as the IoS (swear filter for the S) Which will only get worse with 5G deployment and low power, low cost devices spread far and wide. Yes there will be stellar devices with some really good RTOS setups, but they'll be swamped by the devices with zero or minimal patching, built to a cost with hard coded passwords. It will add more credence to zero trust networks which will be a right PITA to setup and manage. More so when the PHB demands that you allow unfettered network access to her/his network connected coffee mat, with an allow any-any rule as there's naff all documentation for it, and it has to be on the network yesterday.

tame carbon
#

I wonder how fast those can switch on and off

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could be a lot of fun

#

need to make sure I have pwned the power grid control room's IP cam

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so I can see their faces

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when their grid starts modulating the word 'rekt'

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in morse

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I guess you could call it very low frequency FM

#

new minecraft sucks. 1.7.10 is king

distant radish
#

A proper power control network (SCADA) will have a genuine air gap between anything on any other network. Most utilities operate under some quite tight regulatory overwatch. So they are prepared to pay for network availability and full separation from their corporate network. If any I'd say that water is prob at bottom of the list, mainly due to the locations pumps and sensors can be (up in the mountains etc..) as getting cost effective connectivity for a hell of a lot more sensors/controls than gas or elec in the back of beyond is a real challenge. Smart meters will connect back via a multitude of methods (2G, 3G, 4G, 5G, LoRA etc ..) to basically a billing platform, that should HOPEFULLY have zero inter-working with the SCADA networks.

tame carbon
#

@distant radish i dunno, I've heard from employees that worked on solar inverters for 10MW stations

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that said that the control interface for those PLCs are sometimes still hooked up to public internet

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happens from time to time

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and even the systems that i'ev worked on with IoT, sometimes were merely dialup lines

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with a plaintext password

distant radish
#

@tame carbon madness, and see my comment about regulatory. I'm in Europe, where most likely the Operator would never even think of such a thing. As it stands war-dialling is a thing of the past, so dial up is prob more secure than the internet, unless its a targeted attack.

tame carbon
#

@distant radish Germany as it happens

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that this story came from

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and its not the operator

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rather the equipment manufacturer

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and service installer

orchid shell
#

whats the difference between a router and a modem

distant radish
#

Ah, that makes sense, bet the operator wouldn't be happy with that approach.

tame carbon
#

@orchid shell router routes packets between different IP packets over ethernet networks

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a modem translates ethernet to some other type of signal

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though a modem doesn't have to be ethernet per say

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this is also a modem

distant radish
#

A router breaks a broadcast domain, a modem as Crystal states translates a binary signal into another signal

tame carbon
#

very old one xD

#

@distant radish but do they know what a broadcast domain is ?

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I was trying to use as little technical terms

distant radish
#

Hopefully! if they want to understand what Ethernet is

tame carbon
#

yeah thats kinda the fundamental thing we rely on

peak cloak
#

I didn't understand until recently

tame carbon
#

nvm fiberchannel cough

peak cloak
#

I knew that ethernet was wired wifi and that was it

#

now I know

tame carbon
#

wired wifi

#

wat

#

I think you got that backwards

peak cloak
#

like 2 years ago, if you asked me what was ethernet that's what I would have said

tame carbon
#

wifi standard is between the L2 ISO IEEC-whatever, MAC specification

#

it basically adds an additional HW address

#

the regular ethernet implementation is stacked ontop

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@peak cloak I didnt know about LLC

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only about MAC

peak cloak
#

what's LLC?

distant radish
#

WiFi until WiFi6 (802.11ax) was how Ethernet was before switches, when everything was on a hub or co-ax. only one device could transmit at a time. Then Ethernet switches allowed multiple devices to transmit at once (breaking the collision domain) WiFi6 allows in an ideal world for multiple devices to transmit at once

tame carbon
#

Logical Link Control

#

I hate you captialism

peak cloak
#

ah ok

distant radish
#

LLC takes me back to ISDN and X.25

tame carbon
#

So the physical layer can be any one of these

distant radish
#

Perfect!

tame carbon
#

this is all 802.2 at the end of the day

#

these protocols are very near the hardware

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unlike the network layer

#

if you can shove bytes in both directions, TCP/IP can be implemented

#

so bluetooth tethering, follows much the same structure

distant radish
#

Bluetooth out of all the training I've ever done, is the only one that sent me to sleep

tame carbon
#

@distant radish I've implemented some smart watch apps before

#

and I remember writing the netcode as being infuriatingly awful

deft fog
#

hay what is a dns2 for setting up a static ip for a server?

tame carbon
#

because bluetooth itself just presents itself as a duplex pipe

#

... with packet loss

timid flume
tame carbon
#

unless you go into an encoding mode for audio or tethering

#

pure serial data exchange is horrible

distant radish
#

Whatever your second DNS server is. For example if you are using Cloudflare 1.1.1.1 for DNS1 and 1.0.0.1 for DNS2

tame carbon
#

google would be 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4

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@distant radish can you also enumerate the IP addresses of your local network? xD

#

There's like a list of over 20 addresses in my head now

#

public and local

deft fog
#

ok thanks i been doing every thing wong this intier time:/\

tame carbon
#

@deft fog DNS has two servers, incase one is unavailable

#

its basically a phone book

#

DNS issues are really annoying

timid flume
#

yup

distant radish
#

OR you have your default gateway as DNS1 with nothing in DNS2 has hopefully your default gateway is resilient and the IP for that is a VRRP/HSRP address. With the default gateway then being configured with various upstream DNS servers

peak cloak
#

yeah that's what I do

tame carbon
#

small cache and a local static dns list

lean pebble
#

Gosh the number of packets

distant radish
tame carbon
#

doesnt even do 9999

#

wow what a buzzkill

lean pebble
#

Hey guys, what do you think about this product QNAP TS-230 2-bay NAS? Is it good for home use ?

deft fog
#

so if im running proxmox with a ip of 192.168.1.105 should the server be running the same ip address as proxmox or diffrent

deft fog
#

no it the server it self to set up vms

peak cloak
#

proxmox by default does mac-"spoofing" I think it's called where it fakes the mac address of packets depending on the VM it's coming from so each VM looks like a sepereate machine

peak cloak
tame carbon
#

@peak cloak macvtap

deft fog
#

on sec

peak cloak
tame carbon
#

its a network tap

#

that manipulates the mac address depending on what vm sent it

lean pebble
#

You mean virtual mac

deft fog
#

ok to explian better if the server that proxmox is running should or should not be running the same ip adress

lean pebble
#

You mean same subnet ?

tame carbon
#

@deft fog you can use macvtap to give the VM its own IP address on the local network

#

@deft fog only issue is guest-host communication, that won't work

lean pebble
#

For example 192.168.101.0/24 of real network and 192.168.101.0/24 for vms to ?

distant radish
#

Depends how the Proxmox host has been setup. Is it bridging or routing

peak cloak
#

by default it bridges I think

deft fog
#

im unshure ive been playing with it all day

lean pebble
#

I found that VMware esxi is much easier to configure than promox

tame carbon
#

@peak cloak it bridges between an internal network, and uses nat-traversal

peak cloak
#

proxmox is pretty easy

deft fog
#

but i do notice that the subnet on my computer is say 255.255.252.0 is that even posible?

lean pebble
#

Not like esxi

tame carbon
#

thats a subnet mask

distant radish
#

So the VM's in bridging mode would be in the same subnet as the vmbr0 interface if its default

tame carbon
#

@deft fog 255.255.255.0 is equivalent to /24

lean pebble
#

/22

tame carbon
#

255.255.252 is I believe /22

lean pebble
#

255.255.252.0 right ?

tame carbon
#

ye

lean pebble
#

Ya

tame carbon
#

ur right

lean pebble
#

Finally 😂

tame carbon
#

value of three is 2 bits

lean pebble
#

After along time I got it

tame carbon
#

so a /22 yes

lean pebble
#

I want external subnet of /22

tame carbon
#

my public IP is on a /22 range apparently

lean pebble
#

Too expensive

timid flume
#

22 one's = 255.255.252.0

lean pebble
#

I want the subnet

tame carbon
#

and I have a /29 routed as well, with my own public IPs

lean pebble
#

My external IP address is a part of /16

tame carbon
#

meanwhile

#

US DoD sits on like

#

a bunch of /8's

lean pebble
#

But I get only one

#

Here to

#

I had once before I moved to a dedicated (static) IP

#

Now I got ugly IP

#

But easy to remember

peak cloak
#

I don't even remember my ip

deft fog
#

ok im still not geting any acsses to my internet thro proxmox any sugestions to fix the isue

lean pebble
#

I'm paying for 5 IPs 1.5€ in germany for my server

#

Here I'm paying 10$ for one IP for my home ...

distant radish
#

If you have done some network config changes to the proxmox host, have you rebooted or reloaded the new config?

tame carbon
#

so unfair

lean pebble
#

Where do you see that ? In iana?

#

Ripe?

tame carbon
#

this is IANA

#

or ICANN

deft fog
peak cloak
#

can you access the web ui?

deft fog
#

nope

peak cloak
#

I think you just ip like in debian

#

to show current ip it's ip addr show

#

I forgot how to configure the ip exactly

lean pebble
nocturne harness
deft fog
distant radish
#

All ISP subnets there's 800,000+ of them

tame carbon
#

wouldn't be the first to squat on their space

#

fuck the US DOD

nocturne harness
#

They use a portion of th DoD IP space for inter-ISP routing

#

Not publicly routable of course

tame carbon
#

hamachi used to be on 5.0.0.0/8 lol

#

until they got in trouble

lean pebble
#

Lol now it's here in Israel too in some ISPs and Germany all over the world

#

I want to get 1.0.0.0/8 😆

nocturne harness
#

It’s ok with IPv6 we can assign every person on earth their own IPv4 space

lean pebble
#

Sexy IP

#

My ISP can't provide ipv6 alongside ipv4

peak cloak
lean pebble
#

They making me decide if stay with static ipv4 or dynamic ipv6

lean pebble
distant radish
#

Most likely it isn't the routers in the ISP network, it will their OSS stack (Operational Support Systems) that have the trouble

lean pebble
#

They already have the equipment for along time

peak cloak
#

I mean neither does verizon fios

#

my isp

lean pebble
#

They just don't care what the customer asks

distant radish
#

Every system that has something to do with IP addresses needs to work with IPv6 that includes all the processes and staff too. Mucho cost

lean pebble
#

I have their fiber here for 11/12 years disconnected from both sides

#

They said from 2008 that they're providing ipv6 but never did it

peak cloak
#

verizon supports ipv6 only in certain areas

lean pebble
#

At 2012 they said they're starting providing ipv6 for everyone but nothing changed

#

Than they said the same thing again at 2015

#

Or 2014

distant radish
#

If your internet router is capable, then do a 6to4 tunnel from that to someone that does. I use a Draytek router and run 6to4 to Hurricane electric problem sorted 🙂

lean pebble
#

Nah no tunnels please 😆
My internet is not that stable so adding tunnel on it ...

peak cloak
#

problem is, my speeds are terrible. Idk if it's my switch or something. When I do a speedtest on the router directly it's like 30mbps which is usable unlike the 30kbps I get on my pc if I connect via ipv6

lean pebble
#

For downloading from ubisoft / steam / epic games or just downloading files that 1gb and more I need to use my vpn for not making my network crash

peak cloak
#

I need to do some troubleshooting later

lean pebble
#

Or just cap everything to 3.0Mb download speed instead 4.5Mb

#

I'm literally paying for air

distant radish
#

Ahhh but thats the same as using a VPN. Your ISP is probably routing your speedtest direct different to your tunnel. Depends on the destination IP. run a trace route and see where the dest IP goes. Chances are its exiting your ISP via a different transit/inter-connect

lean pebble
#

I'm connecting directly to my server in Germany via TCP + ssl + tls vpn

#

😅

#

While downloading files and games

#

Traffic encrypted everything on TCP

distant radish
#

Doesn't matter your ISP wil route the dest IP address a certain way across its network as will all onwards AS's along the path.

lean pebble
#

Somehow it's faster

#

Than access my servers like this

distant radish
#

So trace route your dest IP for the end server. Then traceroute the IP address of the end of your VPN and most likely the route will be differenet

lean pebble
#

Usually the same

#

I already tested it

#

Because my servers are in the same place and my ISP connected directly to Germany with fiber

#

So all the time I get the same trace

distant radish
#

In that case you have a pretty naughty ISP who's doing some horrid stuff with their traffic management. usual case of speed issues is the peering/transit your ISP has, everything down a congested route.

lean pebble
#

Nah no pearing this time just bad management from the ISP side

#

I hate ADSL/vdsl2/vds/xdsl/dsl

#

I have adsl/vdsl2/xdsl

#

Worst configuration ever

#

They say vdsl2 the modem says xdsl

dusty osprey
#

Fiber when????

lean pebble
#

Gimme yours

distant radish
#

I worked for 19 years for a worldwide top 10 internet provider. Network design so I understand the challenges really well. xDSL is usually limited by the QUALITY of the copper pair (aka phone line) a bit less so by the ISP's config of the line quality mechanisms they use. my primary low latency link is VDSL2 39Mb down/6Mb up low ping and very stable. My topup link is 4G with 100Mb down 50Mb up but high ping. I run QoS/App rules to direct my traffic onto the best link for the traffic type

lean pebble
#

I wish 6 up

#

😂

#

I get 0.5 up

hollow marlin
#

Finally another SP engineer in chat

lean pebble
#

1Mbps/up

#

44Mbps / down by the modem

distant radish
#

1: have you got a clear phone line, no crackles on phone line? 2: whats the sync rate up and down on your router? 3: have you got access to the xDSL line starts showing FECS CRCS etc?

lean pebble
distant radish
#

4: have you tried the router/modem in the first line socket in your home where the line comes in with all the wiring disconnected?

lean pebble
#

Yap

#

Same result

#

I learned networking to

#

But the issues always were here

hollow marlin
#

Wait, what plan are you paying for?

lean pebble
#

It was ok until 5 months

lean pebble
#

But gets less then 3Mbps/up and less then 40 down

distant radish
#

Ok how long since those stats were reset? they look really decent, unless they were reset a few hours ago. If router hasn't been reset in ages. then it isn't the xDSL line that the problem, its something elsewhere in the network

peak cloak
#

@lean pebble you have a pretty nice router now right?

lean pebble
#

Not long time ago

lean pebble
#

Now new / old problem

#

Since 1.1.21

#

That's when I took the picture

hollow marlin
lean pebble
#

I had this problem in 2018 that got fixed by switching the card in their rack outdoors

#

They switched it again this time but no change

lean pebble
#

I'll be able to check it later now it's almost 00:00am here

#

Need to take a long sleep after last night

distant radish
#

Okay starting at the top. SNR looks fine, anything less than 6db and you'll start seeing line drops. Interleave depth at 16 on downstream is a bit high, but not silly high so still ok. Correctable errors as it suggests means there's been some errors but they were spotted and were tiny so fine, no uncorrectable errors great. No HEC OCD or LCD. Total ES is errored seconds so 63 so how long since last reboot? SES is Serverely Errored Seconds which is 18 and UAS is unavailable seconds which is 643 seconds but when you reboot a router you expect a few mins for it to sync up which will be those.

#

Keep an eye on ES and SES and see how they go

hollow marlin
lean pebble
#

Well 24.12.2020

#

I had a technician here

lean pebble
#

Connected via lan port in their gear to my router

#

With different modem my internet is not loaded at all

#

Or immediately crashing

hollow marlin
lean pebble
#

ISP end

#

Let me correct you internet infrastructure - the ISP and the internet infrastructure are separated here 2 different companies

#

The ISP did good job by checking everything from 0 to 100 no problem there.
The only company that does 0% checking is the internet infrastructure

#

Sent a technician that was here for 2 minutes and walked away

#

Does absolutely nothing

hollow marlin
#

I get that, but you still need to check some of the settings in the modem. The lines are clean but if the modem is setup for bonding or a second active pair is in the RJ11 then you are going to have issues

lean pebble
#

Only 3,4 I think

#

They gave the cable with their modem / router / whatever it should be

#

If I remember correctly it's blue and green

#

Cable in rj11

hollow marlin
#

Red+green and yellow+black is pair 1 and 2. Still going with a configuration on the modem being the issue

lean pebble
#

Modem used default settings just runs as bridge

hollow marlin
#

DSL configuration in the modem

lean pebble
#

Default

#

After factory reset

hollow marlin
#

ugh, yes, what I am saying is default does not mean correct. If D-link enables bonding by default it could keep causing re-syncing as there is an active pair and the modem is occasionally rx/tx traffic over it

lean pebble
#

Haha bingo

#

It's dlink

#

😆

#

Dlink dual band ac dsl G256DG

tribal ferry
#

Going to crosspost this here to see if anyone has any ideas

thick minnow
#

ZERXAL

#

HIIIII

tribal ferry
#

👋

fading mesa
#

Can you use cat5e plugs on a cat6a cable

waxen scroll
#

not that I know of

peak cloak
#

maybe, but now you have a cat5e cable

#

cat5e isn't shielded

#

plus isn't the guage different, so it wouldn't fit

thick minnow
#

If I care about privacy tplink is a good company?

tame carbon
#

@thick minnow I'd be more worried about security with tplink

#

rather than privacy

thick minnow
tame carbon
#

never heard of them

#

I ditched all consumer brands in favor of mikrotik

thick minnow
#

I have some routers can u tell me if they are good?

tame carbon
#

so unless you have an inquiry specifically about mikrotik, I won't be of much help ;)

thick minnow
tame carbon
#

@thick minnow really depends on your needs

#
jaunty talon
#

@tame carbon do you have commission on mikrotik? :D

tame carbon
#

@jaunty talon they should give me one

jaunty talon
#

haahaha

#

totally

tame carbon
#

@jaunty talon and you're not the first one to make this remark lmao

#

friends of mine said I should become a rep

jaunty talon
#

haha

tame carbon
#

@jaunty talon heck. I don't know all the enterprise thingies it can do. But I have enough experience with them to know its a liberation to use them

thick minnow
tame carbon
#

@thick minnow what kind of network speed we looking at?

thick minnow
#

Fastest

tame carbon
#

all the mikrotik routers run same operating system, and support the features you just mentioned

jaunty talon
#

@tame carbon hehe, not saying theyre not good =) I think theyre in many cases a perfect match for need vs price

tame carbon
#

@thick minnow what about wireless? built in? or you want seperate access points?

#

@jaunty talon yeah exactly. You get what you pay for

tame carbon
#

@thick minnow if its just a simple home wifi router you need

#

either hAP ac3 or ac2

#
thick minnow
#

Ac3 is the newest?

tame carbon
#

yeah its the upgraded variant of the ac2

#

it sports the same hardware, but has external antenna's

#

I have a hAP ac2 at home here behind the TV

#

for wireless and as a tiny switch to hook up the TV and IPTV box

thick minnow
#

Ok th u so match

tame carbon
#

the hAP ac2/3 also has an IPsec accelerator chip onboard

#

for ~400mbit/s IPsec VPN encryption

#

and naturally, it has support for 802.1q VLANs

thick minnow
#

Agin th so much

tame carbon
#

@thick minnow if you need faster VPN handling than that...

#

there's not much of a choice, you'll end up with an RB4011

#

like I did xD

#
#

This thing is a beast

#

@jaunty talon sleasy fuckers. I am using Umbraco Heartcore. Hosted, headless CMS solution

#

and every day, they just shutdown my development instance

jaunty talon
#

:(

tame carbon
#

and when I start my dev environment up

#

takes about 1 min before my app starts working

#

I get that its a dev environment

#

but this is a $900 monthly plan

#

kinda unacceptable behavior.

jaunty talon
#

agreed!

lean pebble
#

hello

twin zealot
#

hello

rich ivy
#

Suomi

lean pebble
#

how are we today?

twin zealot
#

fine, and you?

lean pebble
#

good

#

trying my best with not crashing my network while downloading files xD

#

because there is a problem here for more than 2 years...

#

I'm capping myself to 3Mb/s sad

twin zealot
#

on wifi or an cable?

lean pebble
#

nope

#

cable

#

if I disable this cap than after 1 minute my whole net is down

twin zealot
#

not just your connection but the router or switch?

#

/modem

lean pebble
#

all stable just no connection to the internet

#

connection lost , modem and router are up with no change in their lights

twin zealot
#

so its between your pc and router i guess

lean pebble
#

but no internet all over the house

twin zealot
#

otherwise a light will go down if no connection

lean pebble
#

it goes down to 10 seconds

twin zealot
#

thats almost imposible, if your router or modem doesnt have an connection the connection light will go out

lean pebble
#

I think

#

I know that is why its weird

#

All the devices and wifi going down at the same time thats happens but ADSl is up and everything is running

twin zealot
#

mayby contact your provider for an solution

lean pebble
#

they can't do anything

#

They don't know how to do their job

#

for 10 years I had connection issues that every evening the network crashing with no reason

twin zealot
#

i dont know if they can know what is going on

lean pebble
#

until I decided to get my own gear

twin zealot
#

@tame carbon help

lean pebble
#

he already tried xD

peak cloak
#

everyone tried

lean pebble
#

I asked for help is so much places xD

peak cloak
#

@lean pebble you turned off bonding?

#

someone yesterday said that

lean pebble
#

oh thanks for remind me lets check it

#

lets seee what this modem have there

#

where this should be?

#

@peak cloak do you know ?

peak cloak
#

no clue

#

I just looked at the convo yesterday

lean pebble
#

so much unicast errors on the lan ports and broadcast drops to

fierce ravine
#

can people banned from the internet still use the internet wonder if possible

peak cloak
#

you kinda can't get banned from the internet

lean pebble
#

lol

fierce ravine
#

has happened from what ive seen

#

but not sure how its possible

peak cloak
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oh, by the gov yeah

clear igloo
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Your ISP can cut you off or a court can order you not to use the internet but there is nothing stopping you aside risk of jail time

peak cloak
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but from the internet, internet itself no

fierce ravine
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yeah use public wifi, vpn and a phone

hollow marlin
lean pebble
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Nope nothing that say bonding or something like that

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this is the only place that talk about the adsl connection

tame carbon
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what

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@twin zealot wat

twin zealot
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nothing anymore

tame carbon
lean pebble
hollow marlin
lean pebble
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Dsl is stable but no internet on all the devices

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Thats why its so weird

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all seems up but no connection

fossil yew
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maybe the dsl is broken

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like some random fiberoptic cable

tame carbon
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wat wat

peak cloak
tame carbon
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@lean pebble does the DSLAM assign you an IP ?

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like, DSL can have an active link, with no data path

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where the modem on the other side is functional, but nobody is responding

lean pebble
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I'm pretty sure that I don't have external IP when it happens

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Because I'm losing connectivity all over the house

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Sometimes losing access to my router to

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Like the DHCP is going down or something

tame carbon
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@lean pebble can you check DSL status?

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probably under the advanced page if at all

lean pebble
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Working as usual

tame carbon
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it should be SHOWTIME

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and you should have a PPPoATM lease

lean pebble
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The photo I sent earlier today is the only page I have in this router that indicates the ADSL stuff

tardy elbow
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@peak cloak Not sure if you were the one helping me, but I got a dns load balancer to work

tame carbon
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@lean pebble those are just the settings

tardy elbow
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well, "load balancer"

tame carbon
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not the actual running configuration/status

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there should be a DSL line status somewhere

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with information on link quality and speed

lean pebble
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Uptime 20 days

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This modem

tame carbon
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yeah thats not interesting

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get me the DSL line status

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should have a bunch of information

lean pebble
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Don't have it here in this modem this sucks

tame carbon
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call support

lean pebble
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They do nothing except telling me that my gear is broken

tame carbon
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This is a random modem

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but you're looking for this kind of info ^

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if a modem doesnt support this, then its tits up trash

hollow marlin
lean pebble
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This status ?

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This is the only status I have here

peak cloak
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with like DSL stats

tame carbon
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@lean pebble that looks dead to me

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no external addresses configured

lean pebble
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Not here

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The mikrotik does the connection to the ISP

tame carbon
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and this is PTM

lean pebble
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The modem is just bridge adsl transfer

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Ya

tame carbon
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@lean pebble so where is your PPP config?

lean pebble
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Mikrotik

hollow marlin
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So now, plug a PC in to the modem and use those credentials

lean pebble
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All pppoe connection handled by mikrotik

tame carbon
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wat

lean pebble
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Yes

tame carbon
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@hollow marlin does this behave like an ethernet bridge?

hollow marlin
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Yeah

lean pebble
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Yes

tame carbon
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@lean pebble can you look at the PPPoE client status in your mtik ?

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@lean pebble also, I asked for the statistics of the DSL line

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that screenshot isnt the full story

hollow marlin
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That and should turn on logging for PPPoE and see if its dropping

tame carbon
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if you have CRC errors on your line

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your internet will behave very strangely

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spikes in latency

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and packet loss

lean pebble
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Where do I see it

tame carbon
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show menu

lean pebble
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Mikrotik is new to me

tame carbon
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oh

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err

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@lean pebble click on ppp

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on the left

lean pebble
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K

tame carbon
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should be in the interfaces tab

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do you have a client configured there?

lean pebble
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Yap

tame carbon
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hold on, my clipboard sharing between two PCs is fucked

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keep copy pasting the wrong thing

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[2021-01-20T18:31:54] INFO: got ipc shutdown message
[2021-01-20T18:31:54] NOTE: disconnecting client "watomat"
[2021-01-20T18:31:54] NOTE: client "watomat" has disconnected
[2021-01-20T18:31:54] NOTE: stopped server
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cool

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it works now

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ok

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click on that

lean pebble
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Add a new one ?

tame carbon
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@lean pebble chances are

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its just PPP

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and not PPPoE

lean pebble
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Oe

tame carbon
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but you have a PTM line, which is 'Packet Transfer Mode'

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which I assume would be ethernet then

lean pebble
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I'll show you

tame carbon
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if you already have a client configured

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show me the settings

lean pebble
tame carbon
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download winbox

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dont use webfig.

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if you go to the login screen of the router

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there's an option called 'winbox'

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click on that

lean pebble
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I know I had it

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It disappeared from my pc 😂

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Let me redownload it

tame carbon
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it doesnt need installation

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if you click on that link

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the router just gives you a client

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this works even if you dont have internet

lean pebble
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I have it

tame carbon
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works no?

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you have traffic

lean pebble
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Yap

tame carbon
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open the client

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go to status

lean pebble
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Ok

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17 days up

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Link down 2 times

tame carbon
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right

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@lean pebble so what are the issues you are experiencing then?

lean pebble
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losing connectivity while downloading files that almost 1gb in size and more

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maybe its the mtu?

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the ISP provides 1480 and the lan port is 1500

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I just noticed