networking

[tribal ferry]

this is the lines

cable definitely somewhere in there

that's 3 individual cables coming down the pole

two of those cables go directly into the box on the right

one goes into the left, then a white cables goes out into the box on the right

then that gray pipe goes into the ground

here's, what I think, is cable

[lean pebble]

This box looks weird.
This cable looks like my coaxial cable from my tv provider

[tribal ferry]

Which box?

There's multiple

[lean pebble]

This one

[tribal ferry]

Left or right?

Or both?

[lean pebble]

Both

Boxes*

[tribal ferry]

The three black cables you see is what go into those two boxes

Here's the underneath of the two boxes:

[lean pebble]

That looks very messy

[tribal ferry]

Yeah

Any ideas?

[lean pebble]

The block cable looks like fiber / coxial cable connection that used for network in some places.

I wish I had the option for fiber connection

You said they said that you have fiber there right?

[tribal ferry]

Yes

I have confirmed with Xfinity there is fiber available at my addreess

Not if it actually comes across the road, they said they'd have to send out a survey guy

Here's the other side of the pipes:

[lean pebble]

That looks like fiber

[tribal ferry]

Which box?

The one with the red clip?

[lean pebble]

The cable

[tribal ferry]

Which picture?

[lean pebble]

.

[tribal ferry]

this cable?

or this?

[lean pebble]

Ya

[tribal ferry]

alright

so the one with the odd connector?

[lean pebble]

Black one

Yap

[tribal ferry]

It looks quite rusted on the pole side

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/387022787480387605/798672871764525096/1327506c-0283-4a9d-b20a-bf28354f190f.png?width=507&height=676

I assume this is the same cable

[lean pebble]

I guess it is

[tribal ferry]

Is there anything in particular about it that makes you think it's fiber?

Some characteristic?

here's that cable you think is fiber going up the pole:

[lean pebble]

Because the connector

https://youtu.be/4Ovqe3XjRqM

[tribal ferry]

Ah

Which connector do you think it is?

[lean pebble]

Looks like FC or BICONIC connector

[tribal ferry]

Typically that's the connector going into homes?

[lean pebble]

Depends

Here in my country I think they use something else

But ya usually FC goes into homes

[tribal ferry]

Alright

[lean pebble]

But depends on your ISP

[peak cloak]

That's coax. That connector is a coax connector

[tribal ferry]

Yeah, that's what I thought

[peak cloak]

I can't now because it's dark, but I'll show what the end of a the fios fiber looks like, not from up close though because it's on a pole

But it looks square

[tribal ferry]

My thought is that, maybe, they brought fiber across the road to the pole but never brought it under the road

since my pole is just for my house

[peak cloak]

This is what inside my house the termination looks like

Red circle is the fiber from the outside

[hollow marlin]

SC goes into the home. FC has been phasing out for a while

[tribal ferry]

Does anything in the pictures above look like fiber?

In anything I've shown?

[primal ice]

all the stuff you've shown looks like coax or Plain old telephone service. go down your street some and look for a black box about a foot in length and 6-8 inches height and maybe 2 inches in depth(thickness). that is going to be the fiber splitter/hook up box.

[waxen scroll]

@hollow marlin wat

lets see....

LC ✅
SC ✅
ST ✅
FC ❓

[waxen relic]

routers under 200 usd for 5 pc's

my old netgear is fillling up

[peak cloak]

wireless router or just a router?

filling up?

[waxen relic]

wireless and the old unit needs to be reset weekly

[old magnet]

What kind of use?

And fyi, my router still needs to be reset periodically

[waxen relic]

constant data

[old magnet]

Then plan on maxing that budget 😉

[peak cloak]

honestly this is pretty damn good, can do everything, but I think it's out of stock https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac3

[old magnet]

Constant f's up lower end routers pretty bad.

[peak cloak]

a router shouldn't need to be reset

[waxen relic]

they should automate that resetting crap

[peak cloak]

let me check my uptime

[waxen relic]

7 to 14 days speed gos from 100 mbs to 20 mbs after reset pow its 120 mbs

[old magnet]

My on the way out router was bailing every day, end even when it was new, was reset about once every 2 weeks.

[peak cloak]

I only shutdown the router if I need to do some reconfiguration of my rack

Never had to restart it because it was misbehaving

Mikrotik's are pretty damn good, I want to get the HEX S eventually

[old magnet]

Rack, so you running a consumer router, or commercial.

[peak cloak]

Right now a ubiquity er-x

[peak cloak]

well I got a switch for free, which was rack mountable plus I run a little homelab for learning so I got a cheap used rack

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/387022787480387605/789118646718562314/20201217_081457.jpg

[waxen relic]

I need wifi bc it connects to a shed

[old magnet]

I had to pay for my switch. Got tired of multiple hubs.

[peak cloak]

nothing fancy

hubs?? that's like old tech

my dad's work was getting rid of their office, so they let me take it

I have 2 other distribution switches around the house all on the second floor, because I only have 2 ethernet lines going up to the second floor and don't want to cut into drywall too much

[old magnet]

At the time a hub or 2 was fine 😉

[waxen scroll]

finally a new pic. i feel like ive seen Present's pic 500 times now

[old magnet]

Still haven't terminated alot of the lines I ran, since they arn't used yet.

[peak cloak]

lol

[peak cloak]

If you can I would get an Access Point and mount it somewhere in the middle of the house so you could have good wifi coverage instead of hiding the wifi router

[old magnet]

It's not hidden, and that is the middle of the house

[peak cloak]

ah, it looked hidden because of the unfinished walls

[old magnet]

Not sure how a house twice as big has better wifi than our old place, but not complaining.

Basement, under the stairs.

[peak cloak]

I have my AP out in the open mounted in on the stairwell wall

[old magnet]

Where the net and power panel are.

[peak cloak]

hmm, I would call that hidden

if it's a ranch house, it should be fine

[old magnet]

Only counts as hidden if I had to go out of my way to 'hide' it. It's there because that where the fiber comes in, lol

It's not, all double layer drywall too. It's weird.

[primal ice]

my only question is why do you have three routers :p

[old magnet]

Me? I don't. I have a router and a swtich. The 3 on the wall are the telco's fiber box, modem, and battery backup.

And the white tall one is a NAS.

[primal ice]

okay two routers though you are calling one a modem yeah thought your nas was another one cause it looks similar to a coax router that comcast is now using. technically you should be able to remove the "modem" and just use the connection from the ONT (fiber box) to your tp-link router/wifi box.

[thick minnow]

boys

boys

im trying to get my browser (edge chromium) to trust my truenas web portal, I installed the certificate machine wide and restarted the browser but it's still saying it doesnt trust it

[peak cloak]

I would click bypass

I never bothered to install certs

[thick minnow]

does edge look somewhere else for certs?

[peak cloak]

No clue

[thick minnow]

I would, except the warning comes up later

so its pointless

[peak cloak]

wdym?

I click it once and it's fine

[thick minnow]

mine doesnt do that

I click it, then like an hour at most later, when I try logging in again it does the same shit

[peak cloak]

Do you have a domain?

[thick minnow]

nope

[peak cloak]

Because what I eventually plan on doing is create a wildcard cert from let's encrypt and install it on all my routers/APs/switches, etc.

[old magnet]

Ohhh, you may be right, I have that router disabled...

[silk oracle]

has anyone else managed to get the new versions of Feed the Beast Minecraft server working on docker, or Terminal only linux?

[thick minnow]

I love WDS, so easy to install Windows 👍

Once setup

[surreal finch]

Let'sEncrypt wildcard certs are freaking amazing. I love it personally. Use it on my Fortigates, Fortimanager, FortiAnalyzer

[quiet delta]

so i had an electrician put a unifi ap lite in for me and he gave me the ssid and password

but when i try to connect it with my account it says wrong credentials

the credentials do work for the wifi but i cant manage any settings

[surreal finch]

Yeah if you don't have the credentials to locally log into the devices web UI, you will most likely have to default it or ask for the info from the electrician if they still have it

[quiet delta]

wdym by default?

[surreal finch]

reset the device to factory default setting (like when you just open the box and plug it in for the first time)

[quiet delta]

is there any other way to reset it without going into the attic and resetting it

[surreal finch]

No. You have to have physical access to the device if you don't know the password (security reasons)

[quiet delta]

oh ok

so if my electrician doesnt know i think i can scan the qr code

in the attic

tysm

[surreal finch]

Yeah that might work as well

I don't have much knowledge with Ubiquiti, but the concept is the same across most of the major vendors (Fortinet, Cisco, Meraki, etc)

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow obviously SSL won't work there

it requires an FQDN

or a self signed certificate you imported on your local system

[thick minnow]

yes I am aware

except after importing the certificate it still doesn't change

[tame carbon]

reload webserver?

[iron kelp]

Yo was wondering if anyone had advice on networking stuff. I hit 5Mbps wirless but on wired connection its like 244ish Mbps. Ik wired is better but my parents wont let me run the cable. So I was wondering if there was anything I can do with like a second router I have.

Ik not alot about networking

I have a bunch of smart devices I was thinking to put them on their own network

My network is already split in 2.4ghz and 5ghz

[tame carbon]

wired, you get 244mbit/s?

run a cable

convince your parents that wifi is total garbage

[iron kelp]

Its kinda a hazard

Maybe if i can get it through walls

[unborn sluice]

5mbps in 5ghz?

that's real slow

[iron kelp]

Yeah thats what i was thinking

Im using dd-wrt firmware?

[unborn sluice]

and?

[iron kelp]

Imma go look at what router it is

Ah the router is a linksys EA8500

Idk if that information does anything

Weird thing my pc wont connect to internet via modem but it connects if i plug in to router

[unborn sluice]

you mean directly connecting the pc to the modem?

[sudden mesa]

does an access point act as an add-on allowing you to connect to either your existing router downstairs or the access point? really patchy internet upstairs so that would fix it right/

?

[unborn sluice]

uhmm

somewhat, ye

[peak cloak]

@sudden mesa access point is another wifi emitter

A true router doesn't do wifi

So you need to connect an access point in order to do wifi

[sudden mesa]

erm i mean whatever came with my isp thought you called it a router lmao

yeah because upstairs one half has good wifi full speeds (directly above the router in living room) and the over half is absolutely terrible (like 200kb/s)

would an access point give them the full speed or atleast useable speeds too?

[peak cloak]

yeah, just run ethernet to the other side of the house and place an Access Point there

[sudden mesa]

alright cheers guys

[sudden mesa]

i'm looking on amazon for a long maybe 50m ethernet cable but alot of the reviews have complaints about it being copper clad or something? does this matter? max speed i need is say 300mbps

[peak cloak]

I just got my ethernet cable at a local hardware store

At Lowes specifically

[sudden mesa]

yeah most of the reviews are 5 star but a minority say stuff about "copper clad aluminum"

probably some niche thing that wont affect my uses im guessing lol

[peak cloak]

that means it's not 100% copper

[sudden mesa]

in the UK we dont have lowes i think

[peak cloak]

yeah, I was just giving an example

[little schooner]

My example is home depot

Still not UK tho

[sudden mesa]

lmao

i think i'll run the cable down the skirtboards on my walls

[peak cloak]

You could get a cable raceway if you wanted to

[sudden mesa]

Yeah, i just did a speed test on one i got 200 and then 5 minutes later i get 20

Same room, pc everything

[topaz delta]

i have found out why i was only getting 100 megabit on a 500 megabit connection

i just had a really shitty cable

not really much of a problem but you know

cables matter

[peak cloak]

yeah, it need to be a 4 pair cable

aka 8 wires

[topaz delta]

yee

[peak cloak]

1000 Base-T only works on 4 pairs, 100 Base-T only needs 2 pairs

don't worry, I did the same thing

[topaz delta]

well the old cable was a cat 5e cable so idk what was wrong with it

[peak cloak]

well could be a bad crimp

was it factory certified?

[topaz delta]

yes

i thinl

think*

[peak cloak]

then defective prob

[topaz delta]

i mean it was also an ancient cable

but i guess that really shouldn't matter

[thick minnow]

Hey guys anyone about to help?

[peak cloak]

yeah

@thick minnow

[waxen scroll]

@tame carbon ask just to ask

[tame carbon]

?

[little schooner]

@tame carbon funny enough there's also a ? in the user name

@waxen scroll triple threat ask ask ask

[waxen scroll]

[thick minnow]

Sorry bud that disappeared on me for some reason @peak cloak

Basically I have a router connected to the socket, works fine, speeds are great, wifi is great, in the room, but trash everywhere else

in the house we have a network switch in the attic which is where port one is being run to, and from there connected to my Pc and the other desktop in the house, however I want to expand that to other areas of the house,

For whatever reason, when i connect the switch

internet on nearly ever other device drives out completely

especially when my mesh system is plugged in

and for reference

[peak cloak]

I kinda don't understand? Could you draw a diagram of how everything is connected?

[thick minnow]

the mesh system worked totally find in the last house

urm

will try

my drawing is trash hahah

[peak cloak]

it's fine

[thick minnow]

@peak cloak

Does that make sense

[peak cloak]

yeah kinda

just don't understand the red and green circles

is that whole thing on the page is what you are trying to achive?

[thick minnow]

So

Red is current

trying to add the green part

and that's what is failing

[peak cloak]

also are there 2 wires from the router?

or is it just like that on the drawing?

[thick minnow]

it's two wires because atm only direct is working

[peak cloak]

and the patch bay thing is kinda confusing

because what you want is a connection from a LAN port on the router into the switch

and then from switch to everything else

[thick minnow]

so the patchbay is literally just connecting all the j45's from room to the attic

[peak cloak]

so when you plug in the switch into a cable that is plugged into the LAN port of the router, internet doesn't work on other devices?

[thick minnow]

Yeah basically

[peak cloak]

hmm, what switch is it?

[thick minnow]

tplink

it's only a cheap one

however

This is the router

and it's not going well

[peak cloak]

yeah, that's a modem and router right?

together?

[thick minnow]

um

yes

and i can't post it

[peak cloak]

oh yeah stupid filter

[thick minnow]

omggggggg

[peak cloak]

I clicked on the link

[thick minnow]

Bahahahhaha

[peak cloak]

don't worry

virg** media hub 3?

[thick minnow]

Yeah

[peak cloak]

you only have one cable from router to switch?

[thick minnow]

at the moment two since as i said it's not working otherwise

[peak cloak]

just to clarify, you tried something like this?

because that's really weird

[thick minnow]

yes, has to go through the patchbay, but that's basically the idea

mesh wifi extenders being the 'wifi'

[peak cloak]

because I am thinking of there being a loop somewhere

other than, I'm clueless

[thick minnow]

loop?

Like something looping back on the router?

[peak cloak]

like with the 2 wires going to the switch

this works?

[oak night]

I'm stupid and probably wrong, but aren't the cables directional?

[peak cloak]

what cables? ethernet should be bidirectional

[oak night]

I know but it is the only thing that could go wrong

Maybe is not ethernet

[peak cloak]

what would it be then

he said rj45

[oak night]

Ok i did not see that

[thick minnow]

They're supposed to be J45 Cat 6 through out

the only thing i could think of was the watch isn't getting enough power to have GB connection but i can't see that being the case when my PC is getting 200mbs down speeds going through exactly the same cable

[tall pagoda]

https://ip6.nl/

If someone wants to test ipv6 Connectivity

[peak cloak]

yeah and?

[tall pagoda]

To see if your ISP is on with time

[peak cloak]

yeah mine isn't

I have a tunnelbroker ipv6 tunnel

[tall pagoda]

My home ISP (Ziggo/Libery/UPC) is ipv6 comptiable but my mobile ISP (Tele2) not

[peak cloak]

oh it's the opposite here

[tall pagoda]

https://antenneregister.nl/Html5Viewer/Index.html?viewer=Antenneregister_extern

Actually this is an interesting site too ^^, where you can find all ^4G, 5G, GSM-R, Radio Amatures, TETRA and VV antenna location and date of activation

[oak night]

Cool finally i'll know if i really had 5g on my phone

[tall pagoda]

550 antennas of many kinds in use in Arnhem

110 antennas on the antenna mast on the KEMA terrain in Arnhem wow

This is the TenneT tower in Arnhem

That one ^^

And this is also a interesting tower of communications. The Gerbrandytoren in IJsselstein. The tallest structure in the Netherlands

[obsidian token]

Is it good or special to have ipv6?

[peak cloak]

ipv6 is the future of the internet, no NAT, each house should at least get a /64 assigned to them

currently you only get one ipv4 address or even worse under CGNAT

so each device on your lan gets a public ipv6 address

[obsidian token]

Could that be the reason why my port forwarding stuff for games didnt work?

[peak cloak]

you don't port forward in ipv6

you just need to make sure the firewall is open

[obsidian token]

Ohh ok interesting

[peak cloak]

some routers may lack the support of that for ipv6

[obsidian token]

So this is some advanced future stuff? Im surprised we have that here

[peak cloak]

Well ipv6 was originally created back in 1995

Just slow implementation

because in order to access an ipv6 website or service, you need ipv6 support along the whole path, (tunnels don't really count)

however ipv6 was launched in 2012

[peak cloak]

so for example in ipv6, you would just create a firewall rule for example:

Allow
From: Any IP, port 80
To <specific ip of cmputer>, port 80

ipv6 also introduces new concepts such as link-local

anything starting such 2001 is a public ipv6 address

this for example is an ipv6 address 2001:0db8:85a3:0000:0000:8a2e:0370:7334

[obsidian token]

Mine starts with 2a02

Is that different for each country or something

[clear igloo]

depends, AT&T in the US starts with 2600

[peak cloak]

oh, I thought everything starts with 2001

[clear igloo]

depends on the registry but I believe right now 2000::/3 (so 2000 through 3fff) is "public"

[peak cloak]

ah ok

[clear igloo]

https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml
Current assignments

and then each RIR that has some now:
https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-unicast-address-assignments/ipv6-unicast-address-assignments.xhtml

[peak cloak]

oh, site-local is deprecated?

so fec0::/10

I read about it a while back and thought it was still relevant

[lean pebble]

Pfsense masters are a wake ?

[hollow marlin]

@peak cloak it's not deprecated in the sense you are thinking. It's highly shunned for using outside specific use cases. People used it for nat66 because v4 is all they used so they basically said stop it, that's not why it should be used

[peak cloak]

ah ok

[lean pebble]

Someone can help me with port forwarding in pfsense for some reason it's not working

[peak cloak]

wait don't you have the HEX now?

[lean pebble]

I have haha

Using pfsense in as vps on my dedicated server

[peak cloak]

ah ok

I was using vyos on mine

for labbing

[lean pebble]

I fixed it but I want to make it accessible only from my home IP

[peak cloak]

well for one you could do a vpn tunnel between the vps and home?

[lean pebble]

Now anyone that have the port can find what is behind this port

I want nat 😆

Just for practicing pfsense and port forwarding

[peak cloak]

you can still have NAT behind a vpn?

I'm thinking like this

[lean pebble]

I can but the nat give me option to connect without vpn

I know how to setup vpn already did it for a friend 😅

Long time since I used nat

This is so weird

[peak cloak]

@lean pebble

?

this is what I was thinking

[lean pebble]

When I changed it that it only accept connections to this port from my home IP it just not working

Fixed

[peak cloak]

what was the issue

[lean pebble]

Well the source address are hidden I didn't noticed

I wrote my ip address in the wrong section

🤣

[peak cloak]

that would do it

[lean pebble]

Well ssh working but rdp not

I'll find it tomorrow

[lean pebble]

That's called "advanced"

[peak cloak]

I meant to type something else, I just fixed it

[lean pebble]

And by default this section is hidden

I wrote it in destination instead in source

Because source is hidden by default idk why

Rdp working to

[west vortex]

Dang this thing really helped make my internet feel more responsive and better coverage at home. I was super skeptical.

[waxen scroll]

And that is what

I bet 70% of the manufacturing cost is that screen

[short relic]

So I figured out why my internet cut out

My roommate had to "borrow" the ethernet for some server maintenance lol

[west vortex]

Amplifi Alien from Ubiquiti.

[mellow garden]

Can someone with knowledge of how meraki aps work help me?

Router says its connected to the meraki cloud but the dashboard says it never has

Nvm figured it out

[iron kelp]

Would connecting all smart devoce to a different router be smart to save bandwith on main router?

[unborn sluice]

[iron kelp]

Hmm

Am i smoothbrain rn

Idk

[ruby bramble]

Is there a small sfp+ port in 4 rg45 out 10g network switch

Small as in non router non rack mount but the size of a router

[dire crag]

you can make an isolated VLAN for them with a switch and give your main devices a higher priority

[peak cloak]

https://mikrotik.com/product/crs305_1g_4s_in

?

[little schooner]

@waxen scroll I'm having problems with some staff working remote that we can't push out packages to their PCs. It really is terrible

Have to come into campus to fix their stuff but they don't want anyone back in yet so it's fine for now

Never knew it would be like this lol

[supple garden]

Their main latvian office is like 150 meters from my home 😆

[peak cloak]

oh yeah, everyone's school laptop windows licences expired since they aren't able to connect to the KMS server and they didn't setup any soft of remote management I think

[waxen scroll]

i dont see why you cant

[waxen saddle]

@little schooner VPN?

[little schooner]

@waxen saddle I think they didn't go with this due to bandwidth usage

And remote access is through a portal without VPN client so home users net doesn't travel into the business net

There was a malware infection one time that made them change policy. I wasnt around for that though

[waxen saddle]

Sounds like policy makers were unaware that their setup requires infrastructure

[little schooner]

@peak cloak at least with their kms, ours is public facing

[waxen saddle]

Ah

[little schooner]

My best thing to tell them is they show up to their office, connect and wait until packages or updates are pushed

Then leave shortly after

Bc really the campus is only skeleton crew at this point

[waxen saddle]

Same here. But we have all our laptops on VPN. The only time someone has to come in to the office is if their laptop has been off-network for months and requires a check-in to a DC before allowing logon, or someone forgets their password.

[little schooner]

I'd really like them to use VPN solution

At least just access to the deployment appliance

If anything

That way I can push scripts and stuff

Not necessarily push packages that use bandwidth

@waxen saddle we have some laptops that been off network for a year

Listed in the appliance

[waxen saddle]

Ouch

[little schooner]

Yeah but they didn't complain yet!

The agents on there are so old

I think like 15 versions behind

[waxen saddle]

Wow

[little schooner]

The anti-virus agent doesn't update off campus

Only its signatures

[foggy pike]

Does anyone have any experience with a RS232 serial to USB adapter not working with Windows 10? I have the driver for it from the companies website and I'm still getting a code 10 from device manager. When I try a different driver it tells me that it's been phased out since 2012. All their tech support is telling me is that it should would with Windows 10.

Product # is ICUSB232DB25

Not sure if this issue belongs in the networking or tech support chat considering it technically both

[peak cloak]

You will more likely find an answer here, but I have no clue

never worked with a RS232 cable

[foggy pike]

What do you usually use to console into a brand new switch?

[peak cloak]

None of my switches use a console cable

Just ethernet

[foggy pike]

I wish had that at this moment.

I might just end up buying a console to USB adapter to skip the serial portion

Never mind about my issue, I found a windows 7 machine with a serial port to console into the switch

[hollow marlin]

@foggy pike Just pick up a cheap usb to 232 branded for Cisco on Amazon. Also we have multi usb to serial adapters in the office, some a decade old and work with win 10 no problem. Instead of installing the vendor driver, in device manager choose update through windows update, then check the optional updates in windows update, if it populates then just install it and you should be good.

[ruby bramble]

unfortunately i need the oposite 1 sfp+ port and 4 rj45 ports

[peak cloak]

you could get sfp+ copper modules

but those can get hot

so wouldn't recommend them

[ruby bramble]

yea and pricey

cuz i have 4 computers and my house only has fiber conections

[peak cloak]

get an sfp media converter?

[ruby bramble]

my server room with my router and nas has a sfp+ swich going to every room and i want a small solution to convert it because i made a case that has 3 mini itx mobos and a rasberry pi 4 so thats why i dont use cards to convert it so i wanna plug a fiber cable into that case and provide 10g etherneto all 4

[deft fog]

Would any one tell me if this cable is worth getting for my server and switch?

[peak cloak]

hell nah

overprized

is cat8 even a thing

[deft fog]

I don't know but there just 9.99 on amazon

[peak cloak]

are you even doing 10 gig

cat 6 is just fine

cat 6a if anything

@deft fog are you doing 10 gigabit even?

[deft fog]

Right now no but in the future I want to push past 10 gigs

[peak cloak]

imo anything past 10gig should just use sfp+ and fiber

10gig copper gets messy

[peak cloak]

any cable at least cat5e will work

for gigabit

10 bucks for a cable is kinda expensive

[deft fog]

Ok thanks

[peak cloak]

https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=9789

for comparison

2 bucks

technically 3

obviously it isn't worth to buy from them for just 1 cable

[tame carbon]

10G copper is

@ruby bramble whatcha looking for

I have a 10G home network

under 400 bucks total

I might be able to give you some advice

[fluid torrent]

Nice, but what do you need 10g for?

[tame carbon]

highspeed NAS access

[fluid torrent]

nice

[tame carbon]

1G is crap

[fluid torrent]

+1

[peak cloak]

it's fine for almost everyone

[tame carbon]

not all devices here are 10G networked

[fluid torrent]

So what are you using your NAS for?

[tame carbon]

but as soon as you have multiple people hitting the NAS

[fluid torrent]

Server hosting?

wait nvm

[tame carbon]

@fluid torrent I dont need 10G

[peak cloak]

he has just local 10 gig, not 10gig internet

[tame carbon]

but I wanted it

Its just my local network

but I used SFP+ and fiber optics

[peak cloak]

yeah like tbh I would want gigabit even, but I don't need it

[fluid torrent]

I know, you can't actually use 10G internet

[tame carbon]

and I did a bunch of research on the topic in the past

@fluid torrent sure you can

with the right hardware

I have a dual 10G card in my server

and a single 10G card in my workstation

[fluid torrent]

Damn

[peak cloak]

well not on a single connection to let's say youtube, I know where you are comming from

[fluid torrent]

What specs is your workstation?

[tame carbon]

Ryzen 3600

[fluid torrent]

any gpu?

[tame carbon]

nothing special

I do software development and information system management

I maintain some of my own systems

and this 10G

is more like a home lab

for experimenting

[fluid torrent]

What counts is that it gets the job done 🙂

[tame carbon]

but yeah, I basically managed to demonstrate

that a 10G home network is not out of reach for consumers

if you are willing to drop more money, you can even go 40G

and up

10G is still affordable

[peak cloak]

well anything past 10G is really expensive

[tame carbon]

anything above gets expensive quickly

10G SFP+ modules for singlemode fibers cost like 15-30 bucks

[fluid torrent]

Yep, only thing that might add to the expense is if your home it old, and the networking can't handle it

[tame carbon]

meanwhile

40G QSFP+ costs 200+

a single mode fiber can do 1G 10G 40G or 200G

it dont care

its a single wavelength (color) of light

turn off and on really quickly

[fluid torrent]

I mean, if you use old copper cables

[peak cloak]

yeah a single fiber can do terabit with mux/demux

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak yuh

@peak cloak they are experimenting now with modulating the output power of the laser

to get 400G

[fluid torrent]

damn

[tame carbon]

@fluid torrent if you think thats insane

[tame carbon]

this ^

You can multiplex multiple wavelengths together

modern systems can stack 96 channels

so if say, each link could do 100G

you'd have 9.6tbit/s

[peak cloak]

you think one day we will reach a peak?

kinda have to because physics

[fluid torrent]

What limits us is how fast the receiver can pick up the signals, and maybe a bit of signal loss along the way

But we would probably find a way around that

[tame carbon]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/YVf-grHQlXtDlsbVHzCfXLuoAB2ri5Db9RowYG1qPDt1x37R3kP39XMpq0ozmX2XhDPu3N1P4Uwr_7PfOPMM_spVwRwqSrL99TD_zTKf4ybLecvwT3NdiV_C8Pe4ift33i4M-neuoMtS7D2w

[fluid torrent]

Like just making it more powerful

[tame carbon]

@fluid torrent accuracy of the laser wavelength plays a role

since on DWDM, each channel is like 0.4nm wide

and not every wavelength of infrared travels as well through fiber as others

[fluid torrent]

I know

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/YEt3NhU.png

[fluid torrent]

It's like, when you take something under water, the green and blue colours are better at getting through

[fluid torrent]

Yep

[peak cloak]

theoretically you can get less world-wide latency by using lasers in space

because speed of light

[tame carbon]

in a vacuum yes

[fluid torrent]

is faster in a vacuum

yes

[tame carbon]

fiber speeds like 2/3c

[fluid torrent]

Even just lower pressure when you think about it

[tame carbon]

no just less particles in the way of the photons

less scattering

less absorbtion

@peak cloak but I guess for stock exchanges it make sense

but realistically, fiber optics' stability strongly offsets the marginal loss in latency

[fluid torrent]

I can't remember where, but some dudes in america dug through a mountain (I think), to decrease the amount of time it took for stock value changes to get to them, so they had an advantage over everyone else there

[tame carbon]

these kinds of tricks have been done ever since the first communications systems were deployed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Stock_Exchange_Fraud_of_1814

They managed to trade with insider knowledge

by abusing the national semaphore network

to secretly transfer messages

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/OptischerTelegraf.jpg/800px-OptischerTelegraf.jpg

they look like these

they are optical telegraphs

that require a human operator

[peak cloak]

one bit per minute

[tame carbon]

The network was reserved for government use, but an early case of wire fraud occurred in 1834 when two bankers, François and Joseph Blanc, bribed the operators at a station near Tours on the line between Paris and Bordeaux to pass Paris stock exchange information to an accomplice in Bordeaux. It took three days for the information to travel the 300 mile distance, giving the schemers plenty of time to play the market.

more like wireless fraud

@peak cloak there was a special 'correction code' in the semaphore protocol

that signals 'the last character was wrong'

so they used these errors to deliberately 'encode' a 2nd message

clever

until they were found out xD

[fluid torrent]

lol

tbh sounds kinda sad to just sit in a tower all day, to relay information

[tame carbon]

@fluid torrent yeah so you had a series of these towers

the message propegated from one tower to the next

so if there was fog, gg.

after this came the telegraph stations with morse code

those same wires were eventually used for phone too

and later this brought the first kind of dialup

fax was actually possible with analog systems

[fluid torrent]

nice

[tame carbon]

@fluid torrent the guy who invented the idea of 'faxing' also invented raster scanning

using two synchronized pendulums moving over a piece of paper

and the transmitting side used conductive ink

pretty clever mechanism xD

[nocturne harness]

they dug up lots of stuff, to make a very direct line between the two cities, more direct = shorter = less transmission time

Similarly, there are a lot of microwave links in Manhattan that connect finance offices to DCs across the Hudson river in New Jersey, because the direct microwave link is a much shorter distance then travelling through all the fibre lines to get across the river (which don't run directly across, but to the north end of Manhattan first)

[plucky crescent]

I could use some help with the simplest of network issues.

I dunno what's going on, maybe my router has lost its damn mind, or I just haven't done IP configuration on windows 10

I'm trying to get away from DHCP for all my devices in my home, and I tried setting the IP on the first device, and it's flipping out, not taking, and saying something about multiple gateway addresses.

I want to keep a DHCP pool for visitors who connect to wifi, so I have a 50-wide pool of addresses set aside for DHCP. I tried setting one computer to have an address outside of that pool, and it flat out is not working.

[fair grove]

Does anyone know why I can’t connect to anything one of my friends hosts? I can’t connect to smash arenas that he hosts or if he is in one that one of my other friends hosts I can’t connect to that one either. And it’s the same thing the other way around he can’t connect to stuff I host. Another example of this is that when I try to connect to his Minecraft server that he runs at his house I can’t connect to that either unless I use a vpn. Not sure what causes this help pls

Ping me if you respond to this pls 🙂

[peak cloak]

one question? whyyy?

why get rid of DHCP

[plucky crescent]

So my devices are always the same IP address, and I can set up rules and know what I'm pointing to.

I have a lot of devices on my network.

[peak cloak]

if you want security use something like 802.11X

[plucky crescent]

It's not for security, it's for stability.

[peak cloak]

kinda, counter-productive what you are doing. Just use static dhcp leases

[plucky crescent]

That's not something I'm familiar with.

[peak cloak]

basically it gives a device a static lease, and because it's in the DHCP table prevents collisions

[plucky crescent]

Maybe I'm old-school? I was taught to set up a DHCP pool specifically, and then you can set your home devices as specific local addresses.

I have no idea how to set up static DHCP leases.

to google, I guess

[peak cloak]

note the "map static ip" option

[plucky crescent]

Is that something the router does?

[peak cloak]

well the dhcp server, which is usually the router

[plucky crescent]

Lol ok my router doesn't have that function as far as I've seen.

[peak cloak]

because setting ip's manually on every device seems counter-intuitive if you want stability

or set the lease time really high?

[plucky crescent]

Once I've done it, I should never have to worry about it again, though.

[tame carbon]

@plucky crescent it just binds your mac address to a specific ip from the pool

so it always hands out the same address to the same device

useful if you have a LAN under DHCP and want to maintain networked devices like printers and such

because you don't want their addresses to change

[plucky crescent]

Yeah, I don't want any of my addresses to change on my network.

[tame carbon]

different vendors use different names

either called mac binding

static dhcp

or ip reservation

[plucky crescent]

I don't see anything like that on my RVS4000

which is odd, because it's a pretty capable router.

[tame carbon]

https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-16/product_id-19145/Cisco-Rvs4000.html

that thing is riddled with exploits

its EoL too

[plucky crescent]

whale, guess it's time to use another router now

[tame carbon]

get a mikrotik

you'll thank me later

[plucky crescent]

can I not just DD WRT the rvs4000 to patch those exploits, or is that even worse?

[tame carbon]

if you can get an updated version of ddwrt for it

sure

[peak cloak]

is dd-wrt even as powerful as routerOS?

[tame carbon]

not by a mile

@peak cloak from what I have seen

they pretty much do what a home router does

• some extra config options

that you normally don't get

but its all very non-standard

and sometimes confusing to configure

because they actually use a lot of raw parameters that you sometimes you need to put in

cus it just modifies iptables xD

so bye bye hw accel

@plucky crescent reason I like these routers is cus they generally quite affordable

and all run the same software

https://i.imgur.com/AH6l7Rq.png

https://i.imgur.com/T55HiaR.png

RouterOS is just really powerful

[clear igloo]

You mean 4 over several years before going end of software support 5 years after going end of sale in 2012? That's not what I call riddled with exploits

[tame carbon]

@clear igloo I wouldnt trust that thing to be secure today

[clear igloo]

Definitely not

I definitely wouldn't trust anything EoS for 5+ years let alone nearing 10 😛

[tame carbon]

have you seen how they patch exploits on their APIs ?

https://twitter.com/bad_packets/status/1110981011523977217

Bad Packets (@bad_packets)

Cisco firmware update for RV320/RV325 routers simply blacklisted the user agent for curl. 🤦‍♂️ https://t.co/iWrUn98vcr

Retweets

192

Likes

380

Twitter · Mar 27, 2019, 7:04 PM

[clear igloo]

Someone made a huge mistake, not going to defend that

[tame carbon]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2qCAdSWkAAsvMU?format=jpg&name=900x900

legendary

so this is what happens to old EoL updates

and apparently.. mainline too?

which seems odd

and mind you, this is 2019

the latest exploits are from 2017, thats the year they would have gone out of support

RouterOS claims 5 years support after purchase

but their RB2011 has been going for much longer

after 5 years, they still sell it

[merry raft]

User-Agent: notcurl/1.0.0

[tame carbon]

@merry raft yeah

[merry raft]

🤣

[clear igloo]

Yah, just depends on the product line, for example the Catalyst 6500-E will have had 20 years of life before it's finally done for good, lol. I'm sure there are some out there that will keep going beyond that without a reload, xD

[tame carbon]

built to last

this puts the consumer market to shame

[clear igloo]

haha, you mean things can last more than 1 year?!?

[tame carbon]

the first TV I ever used came with a manual, electrical diagram and replacement parts

now we have arrived at magic in a box

that dies after 3 years, and its worthless

[clear igloo]

Yup, pretty much

[tame carbon]

if things are built to last, they can last forever as long as they are maintained

technology from 50 years ago

was more reliable than the stuff we build now

[clear igloo]

Yah, part of it is complexity goes up but most of it is $$$ related

[tame carbon]

the market has the name and the behavior in it

consumer

they just consume

with every new internet plan that is made

a new router is built, shipped and deployed

after 3 years, they come iwth a new and improved one

and all the old ones

end up on garbage pile

thats how it was here

gone through 3 iterations of ISP routers

[clear igloo]

Yup, 3 years if you're lucky

[tame carbon]

while still using ADSL.

I honestly don't get it

like, have one standard little DSL box

and then you can just upsell em on the router

but dont do this all in one nonsense

ima go bed

gn

[clear igloo]

later

[fickle flare]

hello everyone!i have at least 4 devices in my house.i have a modem-router and i was thinking if i get a switch will that help?

[burnt robin]

What devices you got and what is your objective with your home network setup?

[peak cloak]

yeah, a switch will allow you to have more ports

[fickle flare]

i have 1 pc that's for semi-professional use.that means programs and some gaming of course.i have a nas.i have a google chromecast(i was thinking of getting a ethernet adapter for it).and in the near future there will be a smart tv

ohhh and i may move to a new house so if i get one i will get a 10 port one so i can connect an htpc and some other stuff

[versed nebula]

anyone can help me with ddwrt?

[merry raft]

@fickle flare a good switch is very useful, my isp provided router only comes with 2 ports so having a switch has allowed me to actually use ethernet

[fair grove]

Does anyone know why I can’t connect to anything one of my friends hosts? I can’t connect to smash arenas that he hosts or if he is in one that one of my other friends hosts I can’t connect to that one either. And it’s the same thing the other way around he can’t connect to stuff I host. Another example of this is that when I try to connect to his Minecraft server that he runs at his house I can’t connect to that either unless I use a vpn. Not sure what causes this help pls

[unborn sluice]

You're on a different network?

[peak cloak]

well if you are trying to connect to his minecraft server without portforwarding that would explain it

if you are trying to connect to a 192.168.x.x ip then there's your problem

Was just doing research on reserved ipv4 ips and never knew 100.64.0.0/10 was reserved for CGNAT

and 169.254.0.0/16 for link-local

[unborn sluice]

Always has been

[fair grove]

Yes

[unborn sluice]

Nice

@fair grove what's the ip of your friend

that you used to connectr

[fair grove]

Uhh

I have to check

[ruby bramble]

Hi I am looking for a very small switch with 1 sfp+ port and 4 rj45 ports all 10g

[plucky crescent]

so something like https://www.amazon.com/Mikrotik-RB750Gr3-5-port-Ethernet-Gigabit/dp/B01MSUMVUB/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=mikrotik+hex&qid=1610692887&sr=8-1 ?

[winter panther]

that thing is great

i worked with them when i did my mikrotik course

[tame carbon]

@ruby bramble RB4011 if you are looking for a router. If you only need a switch, https://mikrotik.com/product/CSS326-24G-2SplusRM

@ruby bramble https://mikrotik.com/product/rb4011igs_rm

This one is capable of full 10G routing

it comes with two internal 2.5G switching chips (with 5x 1G ports each)

@plucky crescent I'd recommend the hEX S over that one. RB750 is relatively slow by comparison

@plucky crescent https://mikrotik.com/product/hex_s

[winter panther]

@tame carbon you know whats up

with mikrotik

[tame carbon]

@winter panther did my research on them before ye

@winter panther I own like 4 mtiks right now ;)

[winter panther]

i havent used anything else

for the past 3 years

[tame carbon]

RB4011, CRS305, RB750-r2 and a hAP ac2

[winter panther]

i still dont get how cheap mikrotik products are

[tame carbon]

@winter panther lack of modularity

and routerboards themselves are relatively simple

[winter panther]

depends on the model

[tame carbon]

true

but they are no juniper

and no cisco ASR

@winter panther you can't really compare mtik to say, ASUS or Tplink

my issue with those two companies is that they sell networking appliances with the intent to consume

not built to last

[winter panther]

^^^

Asus is a trainwreck

[tame carbon]

mikrotik promises 5 years service period after purchase

one of their longest running devices, the RB2011

has been on sale for more than 5 years now

[winter panther]

ive seen so many asus products

[tame carbon]

so it has enjoyed at least 10 years of service now

[winter panther]

then use the same network controller

as cheap NICs

but with a 50$ markup

[tame carbon]

lol I have one ASUS router here, as a downstream NAT & wifi AP

they rent internet from me

and I had to configure that router of theirs

@winter panther the DHCP client on that asus router, didnt honor the standards

[winter panther]

i dont doubt that

[tame carbon]

normally, the downstream DHCP for the LAN, inherits DNS and GW settings from the upstream DHCP client (WAN)

but ASUS routers, override the 'primary DNS' with the router's own DNS server

[winter panther]

it was prob a "gaming" DHCP client

[tame carbon]

@winter panther and I can tell you why they did this

because they want you to go to http://router.asus/

[winter panther]

LOL

[tame carbon]

yeah. and get this

if you browse to it with the IP address

[winter panther]

note to self

dont buy asus

[tame carbon]

itll send an HTTP 301, with a redirect to the FQDN

instead of just presenting the settings page

this means

if you do not use the DNS server of the device itself, you cannot view the settings page

simple fix: modify your hosts file and add router.asus

@winter panther ultimately ended up using static IP to configure it

so that asus router has a public IPv4 statically configured xD

[winter panther]

hahaha

[tame carbon]

I've been saying this before, asus should be banned from selling routers

[winter panther]

thats actually amazing

i found the routerOS that mikrotik uses

easy to learn

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/5WJB9XE.png

amount of entries my hosts file has lol

it has like 40+ entries

@winter panther RouterOS is confusing as hell if you are used to the consumer router config

but once you get used to it, going back to consumer routers is awful

[winter panther]

i was setting up a huawai router

took me more time that i would like to admit

to set up port fowarding

[tame carbon]

buttclench I am about to upload & deliver my graduation project :o

[winter panther]

what was it about

[ruby bramble]

Unfortunately I need a small one like hdd size

[tame carbon]

@winter panther almost done with school is what that means

@ruby bramble the RB4011 is a full fledge router

@ruby bramble you mentioned you only needed switching capabilities

[winter panther]

@tame carbon i was asking about the project

[ruby bramble]

I very much said small

[tame carbon]

@winter panther oh, I wrote a software framework that aids development of websites using a headless CMS

[ruby bramble]

Very small

[tame carbon]

@ruby bramble CRS305

https://mikrotik.com/product/crs305_1g_4s_in

@ruby bramble that has 4x 10G

You can plug in RJ45 modules into that if you need

[ruby bramble]

Yea they just get hot I was just wondering if there was the opposite of that

[winter panther]

remeber me when you are making $$

[tame carbon]

@winter panther in essence, I wrote a project boostrap tool

for this: https://umbraco.com/products/umbraco-heartcore/

content management, entirely API based

normally with Umbraco you use visual studio to generate all the controller/view stuff

but with the headless variant this does not exist, so I wrote a solution myself :)

[winter panther]

[tame carbon]

the tool itself is in javascript

the code it generates is typescript

<-- never used nodejs before this project

[winter panther]

i did a bit of coding in java

for projects

[tame carbon]

java is my primary skill yeah

[winter panther]

but nothing major

[tame carbon]

I am expert on the java

writing code in that for about 8 years now

[winter panther]

i did a lot of thing in phyton

[tame carbon]

python I've used for data analysis before

[winter panther]

since i was working with arduions

[tame carbon]

^ yes :D

arduino outputs measurements to serial

python program reads, calculates and plots

[winter panther]

got my degree like 2 weeks ago

[tame carbon]

After the assessment on the 26th, I have one more small assignment I have to deliver

and hopefully I'll graduate by april

finally done with this stupid nonsense

[winter panther]

im going for my masters right now

in computer science and engineering

[tame carbon]

fuck that lmao

I am doing Bachelors

Masters' is too much writing

[winter panther]

i know

its been 2 months

i had 3 100 page projects

im going mad

day by day

ive been working with IoT technologies

[tame carbon]

what do you mean?

obviously, a 10G switch will get warm to the touch. Its passively cooled

[tame carbon]

ye it dont care

[winter panther]

you can jerry rig a fan

just so it gets some help

people are rly paying me 5$

to make PC part lists

easy money

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/P75W106.png

but why ^

its only 37C

[winter panther]

you dont need it

but if he is woried about the temps

its an easy fix

not that there is anything to fix

[tame carbon]

@ruby bramble CRS305 is quite a nice little switch. It also runs RouterOS and is capable of routing at around ~ 1200mbit/s

I use it as a backbone for a 10G LAN, configured with a bunch of VLANs

[winter panther]

ive spent close to 400$

on networking

[tame carbon]

same

maybe little more

[winter panther]

in my 43 sqare meter flat

i have a problem

it will come in handy

in the future

[ruby bramble]

I’ve got one Im gonna go with that

I will need the cables tho;(

[tame carbon]

@ruby bramble if you have SFP+ on either end, using fiber optics is cheaper

10G RJ45 is expensive

[ruby bramble]

No I’ve got 3 mini itx monos and a raspberry pi 4

*mobos

[tame carbon]

You have what, 10G copper on those itx boards?

[ruby bramble]

Only on 1

Add in card

[tame carbon]

SFP+ or RJ45?

[ruby bramble]

Rj45

[tame carbon]

:/

https://www.itinstock.com/ekmps/shops/itinstock/images/intel-x520-da2-dual-port-10gbe-ethernet-network-adapter-10gb-sfp-w-hh-bracket-40761-p.jpg

I got one of these

[ruby bramble]

Lucky

[tame carbon]

2x 10G SFP+

@ruby bramble what you can do, is plug an RJ45 SFP+ module into the CRS305

https://www.fs.com/de-en/products/74680.html?attribute=113&id=163923

@ruby bramble the problem with RJ45 10G is that its expensive no matter what kind of interface you use

since the SFP+ RJ45 modules cost around 50 bucks..

meanwhile, fiber module costs maybe 10 bucks

lemme snap a pic of my CRS305

[ruby bramble]

Yea

[tame carbon]

can plug whatever you want in there

[ruby bramble]

Yea I need 3 rj45 adapters

[tame carbon]

yea.. see

that is 150 bucks

down the drain

[ruby bramble]

Yea that’s my problem

[tame carbon]

SFP+ is just cheaper

@ruby bramble might actually be better off buying a different add-in card

[ruby bramble]

Oh shit I have an idea m.2 to 10g adapter

[tame carbon]

isnt that just PCIe ?

[ruby bramble]

Yes

[tame carbon]

might work :3

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310468657777999874/725362847411863612/20200624_151216.jpg

[ruby bramble]

Why did it take me a week to figure that out

[tame carbon]

See here ^

This is a mini ITX board

with that dual 10G card

[ruby bramble]

Yea I have a gpu I two of my mini itx boards

[tame carbon]

dont judge the cable mess

the case is tiny, the supply nonmodular

and didnt have enough sata connectors

so I cut off the leads

soldered some extension on it

:D

[ruby bramble]

I have shitty cable management too

[tame carbon]

@ruby bramble but ye you can see the RB4011 in there too

It has a single 10G port, which goes to the CRS305

I have the https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Router_on_a_stick_concept.png

'10G router on a stick'

[unborn sluice]

that routers looks like 😆

[tame carbon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM8XdUNhNmU

[ruby bramble]

YES 100%

Gees I’m wearing headphones

[tame carbon]

sounds like a horror game with 20s music

[ruby bramble]

Yes

You realize you now have to specify 1920 we are in the 2020s now

[waxen scroll]

@cold geode what are you doing... they're gonna realize pog isnt woke anymore and remove it

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pog is apparently now a bad thing

idk

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twitch banned pog emotes

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and replaced it with a stupid one

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mikrotik is nice for cheap and good

not the most user freindly UI, but very powerful

wdym? But I have never seen an ad for microtik

what's your internet speed?

and do you also need a wifi router?

because this is pretty good

https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2#fndtn-testresults

and this is even better

https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac3

But I think it's out of stock

you could go for a cheaper one

https://mikrotik.com/product/RB750r2

this?

doesn't have wifi though

can't do gigabit though

no

that's the thing

the ports are limited to 100 Base-T

hmm

yea ik

what is your budget?

that way I may be able to help you better

yeah, maybe if you buy something local it would be better?

because import and all that stuff makes it more expensive

yeah it's stupid