networking

[tame carbon]

every home router is different

because every ISP thinks they can do it better

[peak cloak]

I mean, if I type home.redacted.com which is my public ip, I get to my router config page too (when I am on my home network, from outside it's just a timeout like expected)

[lean pebble]

Unless his ISP enable access from external networks on port 80

I'm not

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak same

https://i.imgur.com/VicE9Md.png

[lean pebble]

Just tried from different network my public IP

[tame carbon]

but if you entered this public ip

[lean pebble]

Do you try it from the same network ?

[tame carbon]

you wouldnt see this page

its only because its coming from my lan

[lean pebble]

Ya if you surfing your external IP from your internal network it should send you to your router

[tame carbon]

not nessesarily

depends on your fw rules

[lean pebble]

But if you surf from different network like 4G it shouldn't do that

[tame carbon]

admin panel on the mikrotik is on the input chain

if I was to host a service on my public ip on same port, it would be forward

[lean pebble]

Port forwarding is ok

Just curious why host website at home ? 🤔

[peak cloak]

I did once

to learn

[tame carbon]

^

[lean pebble]

I did it to but only for internal network

And specific IPs

From outside

[tame carbon]

my old php projects live on my laptop https://i.imgur.com/tM2qPrU.png

[lean pebble]

For testing and learning pf

[hollow marlin]

less web hosting, more BGP and MPLS

[lean pebble]

And fw

[peak cloak]

someone wanted to host a virtual airline software on his computer (not server) over wifi. I was like super bad idea, but I can help you

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak this is my poor attempt at making a browseable FTP server

http://textures.knockturnmc.com/

[peak cloak]

I mean, it looks good

[tame carbon]

the UI I yoinked from somewhere else

the rest of the code

[lean pebble]

I used to own cs:s servers and csgo with fdl

[tame carbon]

is a php script

that just looks in the /var/www/html

and there's some rewrites

to make the php script invisible

[lean pebble]

I owned mc server to

I was to lazy to manage it after someone hacked the mc console

😂

By one of the plugins

[peak cloak]

in my school server all I am running is multiplayer sleep, geysermc, floodgate, and luckyperms

[lean pebble]

Geysermc?

[tame carbon]

big loop that assembles dir structure

[peak cloak]

allows bedrock players to connect to java

[tame carbon]

header('Content-type: application/json');

echo json_encode(array(
    "name" => $dir,
    "type" => "folder",
    "path" => $dir,
    "items" => $response
));

[lean pebble]

Oh

[peak cloak]

and floodgate allows them to join without needing a java account

basically bypassing online-mode

[lean pebble]

Ok

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak luckyperms?

[lean pebble]

Like old days when it was possible to play online but offline

Permissions like expernissons

[peak cloak]

luckperms I mean https://luckperms.net/

[lean pebble]

And essentials group

[tame carbon]

/**
 * Provides permissions for a user
 */
public interface PermissionProvider {

    /**
     * Gets the permissions for a user and server
     *
     * @param player the user
     * @param server the server
     * @return the list of permissions
     */
    Map<String, Boolean> getPermissions(UUID player, String server);

    /**
     * Gets the groups a user is in
     *
     * @param player the user
     * @return the list of groups
     */
    List<String> getGroups(UUID player);

    /**
     * Adds a group to the player's group list
     *
     * @param player the user
     * @param group  the group
     */
    void addGroup(UUID player, String group);

...

cough

[lean pebble]

There is one old permissions plugin I used to love

[tame carbon]

I totally didnt write my own

it hooks into vault and all is fine

[peak cloak]

I am not a java coder at all

[tame carbon]

I maintain my own permission system

all third party plugins integrate with it through vault

@peak cloak all the stuff is synced with discord

and the forum

[peak cloak]

Technically, my first and only programming class was java. It was that early that I was really confused about print() because I thought it would print to the printer

[lean pebble]

Who made you permissions crystal

[peak cloak]

nice

I could probobly learn it, but I don't have the time for that

[tame carbon]

@Override
    public Map<String, Boolean> getPermissions(UUID uuid, String server) {
        PreventBlockingCode.ensureAsync();
        try (Connection connection = database.open()) {
            PreparedStatement ps = connection.prepareStatement(
                    "SELECT `groups`.groupname, `groups`.inherit " +
                            "FROM playergroups JOIN `groups` ON playergroups.groupname = `groups`.groupname " +
                            "WHERE player = UNHEX(?) ORDER BY priority;"
            );
            ps.setString(1, uuid.toString().replace("-", ""));
            ResultSet rs = ps.executeQuery();
            Map<String, Boolean> permissions = new HashMap<>();
            List<GroupPermission> groups = new ArrayList<>();
            while (rs.next()) {
                groups.add(new GroupPermission(rs.getString("groupname"), rs.getString("inherit")));
            }
            rs.close();
            ps.close();
            groups.forEach(c -> {
                try {
                    permissions.putAll(c.getPermissions(connection, server));
                } catch (SQLException e) {
                    logger.error("failed to get permissions", e);
                }
            });

            ps = connection.prepareStatement(
                    "SELECT permission, granted " +
                            "FROM playerpermissions " +
                            "WHERE player = UNHEX(?);"
            );
            ps.setString(1, uuid.toString().replace("-", ""));
            rs = ps.executeQuery();

            while (rs.next()) {
                permissions.put(rs.getString("permission"), rs.getBoolean("granted"));
            }

            return permissions;
        } catch (Exception e) {
            throw new RuntimeException(e);
        }
    }

inheritance is fun

esp in sql databases

[lean pebble]

I like databases

All plugins should connect to some db

This file is only the db part for permission

Nice code

I'm learning Java now in my studies

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble yeah thats just one layer

this is just the database end

we have another plugin that uses this API to provide the permissions to vault

[lean pebble]

This plugin made especially for you?

[tame carbon]

our gameserver project which started in like 2013

has over 160 repositories now

on our git

[lean pebble]

Nice

Can we join?

[tame carbon]

I'm not the boss of that :3

I've been a long time member

[lean pebble]

To github

😆

[tame carbon]

nah

we keep our code closed source

except our APIs

and tools

[lean pebble]

You're a developer ?

[peak cloak]

it's probobly not on github is it?

[tame carbon]

yeah

no

we have a private gitea instance

and maven repos, build server with autodeploy pipelines xD

look, this is a community effort

and we have some smart people xD

quite a few self taught

I learned how to code with this as a hobby

[lean pebble]

What language do you program?

[tame carbon]

This is 100% java

well

ok 90%

[lean pebble]

I know mc is Java

[tame carbon]

there's some shellcode

as well as a lot of SQL

[lean pebble]

You can program mc in golang to

[tame carbon]

like 4k lines of SQL

all our data we store

is all in one database

[lean pebble]

And python and etc

[tame carbon]

our own system has about 60 tables now

[lean pebble]

Nice

But there are players that plays in there ?

Or only your team

[peak cloak]

yeah

https://knockturnmc.com/

it's this I think

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble https://api.knockturnmc.com/standings

see for yourself

[lean pebble]

Nice

[tame carbon]

but most of us suck at web dev

I can do APIs

but html fuck no

[lean pebble]

I need to learn js

And APIs

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/ozfFUC5.png

[lean pebble]

I made my own login / register web system in python

[tame carbon]

this is the entire backend

ignore all the html css crap

[lean pebble]

Only for the API page 😉

[tame carbon]

This is just the core database and API project

https://i.imgur.com/61A3L5U.png

this takes care of our entire data mechanism, chat, message exchange

discord integration

and backend API connection

I wrote this over the course of like 4 years

[lean pebble]

Alot of hard work

I'm a little bit jealous

[tame carbon]

I also wrote a potions plugin off the cuff in like two weeks

https://i.imgur.com/c1zIYmJ.png

[lean pebble]

I want to open my own custom mc server since ever

[tame carbon]

With custom crafting

but we actually plan on rewriting this, and making it even more immersive

since we have written all kinds of tools to make 3d modelled entities appear wherever we like

I think our texture team uses blender

[lean pebble]

That's sound awesome

[tame carbon]

its just a bunch of individuals on a discord server

working together

I am not as active anymore as before

only for emergencies

[lean pebble]

I always was good in QA others codes

And fixing some code

[tame carbon]

https://repo.knockturnmc.com/content/repositories/knockturn-public/com/knockturnmc/

lol ^

[lean pebble]

I'll go finish download my js course

[tame carbon]

this is all hardcore java

[lean pebble]

Ya

[tame carbon]

we even wrote our own classloader implementations to allow for hotloading of code xD

I love the jvm

you can hack it quite hard

[lean pebble]

Man you making me want sit all day all night to create my super duper mc server

😆

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble when I first started getting into this early 2009

I was already into computers

and then in 2010 minecraft alpha went public

$5

[lean pebble]

Me too but not on programing

[tame carbon]

best investment ever

[peak cloak]

the more you talk the more I know I suck at programming

[lean pebble]

I got my mc account for 1$

When it was alpha

[tame carbon]

but yeah I ran my own servers for a long time for friends, had a couple failed communities

thats how I came into contact with java, linux, networking

[peak cloak]

I don't have mc, I use my brother's account when I need it

[tame carbon]

and eventually I started writing my own programs

sql is also something I learned early on

not properly until I went to school for it

[lean pebble]

I'm learning sql now

But I used it since I first launched my cs:s server

And my first maplestory private server

[tame carbon]

minecraft is so successful because it is written in java

[peak cloak]

bedrock sucks

[tame carbon]

purely because of the JVM's capabilities

and the early adopters of modding

[lean pebble]

Minecraft is soo successful because it cross platform

[tame carbon]

performance wasn't amazing

but we had an a networked piece of software that ran on a server

and you could build a world in 3d with your friends

[lean pebble]

I think it could be better without Microsoft interfering

[tame carbon]

AND we can modify the code

like in 2010

this was so rad

now that minecraft has gone mainstream

I see zoomers playing minecraft

[peak cloak]

oh speaking of the non-classic mc, minecraft earth is shutting down

[tame carbon]

and it lost its charm for me

what is that

[lean pebble]

I wanna try to run my mc server on golang

[peak cloak]

some like pokemon go style mc

[lean pebble]

I found a pretty nice golang engine for mc

[tame carbon]

I only care about the java version

[peak cloak]

same

[tame carbon]

thats my lifeblood

[lean pebble]

Mine to

[peak cloak]

I only run geyser mc, because some people don't have java

pretty amazing project tbh

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak lol next undertaking might be

forking paperspigot

we need a patch lol

[peak cloak]

https://github.com/GeyserMC/Geyser

[tame carbon]

stupid teleport is broken

when a user is riding another user

we use that to make up to 3 pets spawn above player's heads

like a pixie

[lean pebble]

Let's try this mc source

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak I didnt actually write all of this lol

I only worked on the network bit and adding support for our system to work with bungee

that honestly

is still the most difficult thing

[peak cloak]

bungee is a mc reverse proxy right?

[tame carbon]

yeah

[lean pebble]

https://github.com/Tnze/go-mc

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak until you get here... https://i.imgur.com/R6zA6Cq.png

the amount of code that fires when you call this one function lol

[oak night]

am i supposed to reboot?

[tame carbon]

yes

[oak night]

Thanks

[tame carbon]

ubuntu server?

[oak night]

yup

[tame carbon]

did you tick the openssh-server box?

[oak night]

Sure i did

so usefull

[lean pebble]

Intellij?

[tame carbon]

first thing you should do after installation

is run sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y && sudo apt autoremove -y

installer doesnt always update every package

[oak night]

apt update i know

[tame carbon]

and there's also some packages you do not need, that are installed and can be autoremoved

usually older kernel

[oak night]

What about autoremove

[tame carbon]

you don't need the kernel from installation

[oak night]

OK

[tame carbon]

but that is automatically handled

if it boots then you have a working system

so you can delete those, saves another 120MB

@oak night have you set this kind of system up before?

first thing you should do is install your public ssh key

and then disabling password login and root login on ssh

[oak night]

only 1

[tame carbon]

makes login secure

[oak night]

how to do that

^?

np it has finished

[tame carbon]

screenshot?

[peak cloak]

/etc/ssh/sshd_config

[tame carbon]

@oak night did you create a user account?

[oak night]

Sorry for my bad english

[tame carbon]

or is it just root ?

[oak night]

root

[tame carbon]

k, well don't run your programs as root

especially networked software

[oak night]

ok

[tame carbon]

create users for that

https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/initial-server-setup-with-ubuntu-18-04

There's info on how to create user accounts

also how to use the firewall

[peak cloak]

you want to run a website you said?

[tame carbon]

sudo apt install nginx

[peak cloak]

nginx vs apache vs caddy?

[oak night]

yup

apache

i prefer it

[tame carbon]

@oak night ew

ewwwwww

[lean pebble]

Finally someone with common sense 😄

[tame carbon]

its a patchy webserver

slow

[oak night]

how ?

[peak cloak]

I was never able to setup ssl with nginx. I mean that was a year ago, so I probobly could now

[lean pebble]

Now I like you more crystal

[peak cloak]

are you on windows or linux rn?

[lean pebble]

Easy

[oak night]

What?

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak was about to ask that too

[oak night]

i'm stupid

[tame carbon]

@oak night your client computer, the one you are sitting at rn

[oak night]

I have to get iso ouot

[tame carbon]

do you have windows? cus then we need some tools

@peak cloak git-bash is best for windows ssh

[peak cloak]

ssh-copy-id was so easy

[tame carbon]

yeah it includes that

and all the gnu coreutils

[lean pebble]

Monkey I can help you with ssl if it's on Linux with nginx

[tame carbon]

ssl on nginx is fucking ez

[lean pebble]

Ya

[tame carbon]

letsencrypt

[lean pebble]

If you use certbot it's even more easier

[peak cloak]

Idk, I wasn't able to get it to work. Probobly some dumb thing

[tame carbon]

you then tell it you use nginx

[peak cloak]

yeah I used that

[tame carbon]

and you just have this copypasta

you add to your server def

but it can do it for you

[lean pebble]

Now certbot have a module for auto install on nginx

[tame carbon]

neat

[lean pebble]

Ya

[peak cloak]

ah, you see I was trying to do it in containers

so that's why

overcomplicating it

[tame carbon]

root@panel:/# cat /etc/nginx/sites-available/api.knockturnmc.com 
server {
        listen 80;
        server_name api.knockturnmc.com;
        return 301 https://$server_name$request_uri;
}

server {
    server_name api.knockturnmc.com;
    listen 443 ssl;

        ssl_certificate /etc/letsencrypt/live/api.knockturnmc.com/fullchain.pem;
        ssl_certificate_key /etc/letsencrypt/live/api.knockturnmc.com/privkey.pem;

        ssl_protocols TLSv1 TLSv1.1 TLSv1.2;
        ssl_prefer_server_ciphers on;
        ssl_dhparam /etc/nginx/ssl/dhparam.pem;

[lean pebble]

Nope

Same to

[peak cloak]

well certbot was in a seperate container

[tame carbon]

at the top the 80 -> 443 redirect

[oak night]

you guys are going too fast!!!

[lean pebble]

I don't use port 80 at all

Just 443

😆

[peak cloak]

we are just talking, go at your own pace

[tame carbon]

@oak night are you sure you want to use apache?

[oak night]

i know

[tame carbon]

@oak night nginx is very lightweight, and the config files are more readable

[oak night]

i just Cant follow your talks

[tame carbon]

https://www.nginx.com/

[lean pebble]

Monkey on what distro you tried to install ?

[peak cloak]

I forgot tbh

it was a while back

[lean pebble]

On centos is easy

yum install certbot-nginx nginx certbot

[tame carbon]

@oak night if we mean to mention you directly we'll tag you like so

[lean pebble]

Then 1 command and you're done

[tame carbon]

otherwise its just general chatter

[oak night]

Ok thanks

[tame carbon]

@oak night but I asked, what makes you want apache specifically?

[oak night]

i used it more times

nginx gave me problems

[tame carbon]

mh

my problem with apache is the overcomplicatd xml config when proxying and especially CGI

[oak night]

Probably cuz i'm new to ubuntu server and this kind of stuff

[tame carbon]

mod_php angers me so much

[lean pebble]

I still need to learn how to use the reverse proxy option in nginx the right way

[tame carbon]

I use php-fpm

[tame carbon]

it uses a unix socket to provide php functionality to nginx

so this makes nginx use maybe 2-3MB memory

[oak night]

It does this thing every time i open the virtual machine

[peak cloak]

what vm software are you using

or is it a vps

[oak night]

Virtualbox

[tame carbon]

derp

[peak cloak]

I never used that

[oak night]

i only have vpss for minecraft servers

[peak cloak]

always kvm

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/MXntoUZ.png

[lean pebble]

Kvm / VMware if on windows

[tame carbon]

vmware for windows

[lean pebble]

Ya

[tame carbon]

because they do what parellels does

you can virtualize individual windows

[oak night]

so it is better VMware

[tame carbon]

no

vmware is absolute garbage

[oak night]

ok

so what then?

[lean pebble]

It's good if your main os is windows

[tame carbon]

but its ok for a desktop vm platform

[lean pebble]

That's what I think

[tame carbon]

Virtualbox was terrible performance for me for some reason

[lean pebble]

Now I'm using kvm because my main is Linux

[tame carbon]

but most of my VMs are headless kvm

https://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Main_Page

[peak cloak]

kvm causes the guest vms to kernel panic for some reason

[lean pebble]

I moved my windows gaming to kvm

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak never had that

[oak night]

what should i do?

[lean pebble]

Found it more stable than bare metal windows

[peak cloak]

haven't really tried to troubleshoot since I will switch distros soon

[tame carbon]

@oak night err

did you remove the install media?

[oak night]

yup

[lean pebble]

I need to find a way to make my kvm work from my regular user

[tame carbon]

@oak night is this still in the installer?

[lean pebble]

Now I'm stuck on root

[tame carbon]

you didnt reboot did you?

[oak night]

nope

[oak night]

i did

[peak cloak]

even if it fails unmounting you should be able to do a hard reboot from my experience

[tame carbon]

you probably suspended the vm

just restart it

[oak night]

i removed the installer

BUt it still shows me this

[lean pebble]

Reboot againn

Crystal

[oak night]

without doing anything?

[lean pebble]

It looks like the installer

[tame carbon]

I am installing virtual box rn

[oak night]

i know

[lean pebble]

No crystal

Don't do it

[tame carbon]

what version of ubuntu was that?

focal?

[oak night]

i'll use VMware

it is much better

[tame carbon]

@oak night nah virtualbox is fine

[lean pebble]

VMware is easier and more stable from what I encountered

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/NGEk5QR.png

[oak night]

i have both on my windows 7 laptop

[lean pebble]

I left it only because it doesn't support gpu passthrough

[tame carbon]

shit

nvvvm

https://i.imgur.com/oijFFHS.png

[lean pebble]

Lol

[oak night]

dont install it

Its ok

[lean pebble]

You need some storage ?

Send the delivery I'll send you 2tb more

[tame carbon]

I only have like 5 games installed on the system

if I want to play something else, I just delete something I dont play

[lean pebble]

Too much

[tame carbon]

my internet fast enough

[lean pebble]

Ya

Mine is slow af

[oak night]

i have total of 5 TB on my personal PC

[lean pebble]

So I have 8tb total

Thinking about switching all my HDDs to SSDs

But 2/3tb SSDs are expensive

[oak night]

Do you think i have enought VMwares?

[lean pebble]

Lol

Maybe 2 much

That's what I hate in windows

"Not responding"

[oak night]

i HATE windows 7

[lean pebble]

Then stuck for hours

But I hate Microsoft support the shittiest support ever

They can't troubleshoot their own os

Always told me to format and switching my SSD because os failed to load

Now same ssd functioning on my kvm machine with windows and works perfect

[tame carbon]

microsoft has support?

[lean pebble]

Ya

I was surprised to

[tame carbon]

that must be new

[lean pebble]

Nah

[tame carbon]

brilliant eh

[oak night]

I'll KILL windows 7

[tame carbon]

@oak night your problem wasnt virtual box btw

you just messed something up during installation

[oak night]

Ok

BTW i'll use VMware

BTW

[lean pebble]

Why not installing the os directly on this system instead win 7

[oak night]

STILL SAME SCREEEN

[oak night]

it is not my computer

[lean pebble]

Oh

[oak night]

it is of my dad

[lean pebble]

So make it yours

[tame carbon]

@oak night delete the virtual disk

[peak cloak]

@oak night is that your main computer because I would just put proxmox on it

[tame carbon]

try again

you clearly did something wrong

also

[oak night]

it is a laptop

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak https://i.imgur.com/9NUL5wo.png

oh, didnt mean to open that context menu

[peak cloak]

but does anyone else use it?

[lean pebble]

@tame carbon
Why your disk is ide and not virtio

[oak night]

Not now

[peak cloak]

because if you are just using a computer for VM's I would install anything other than windows

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble no idea

[lean pebble]

Haha

Mine is sata

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble two of my VMs have direct passthrough

to the sata interfaces

[lean pebble]

My windows have one ssd passthrough to

[oak night]

I like linux but i dont know how to use it

[tame carbon]

this is a tiny system

ryzen 2600

with nvme to boot and 4x 4TB

on rust

[lean pebble]

4tb SSD?

[peak cloak]

proxmox is relativly easy to use via the web interface

[tame carbon]

no 250GB

[peak cloak]

and uses KVM

[tame carbon]

I only use it for kernel images

like the VMs themselves

all the data is stored elsewhere

I make snapshots of the systems sometimes

[oak night]

Can it be live?

[lean pebble]

How do you make snapshot with kvm?

[oak night]

Not installed on a computer

?

[peak cloak]

no

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble suspend, copy vm

?

[oak night]

i dont know

[peak cloak]

maybe technically, but it's not suppported

[lean pebble]

Oh ok

Mine is off right now I think

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble might be able to do live snapshotting too

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble snapshot1

[lean pebble]

I have only grey migrate button and clone

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/bWJpYQ7.png

wat was that

here we go

you can just go to view -> snapshots

and click on the +

[lean pebble]

I don't have it

[tame carbon]

virt-manager is just a GUI for libvirt

https://virt-manager.org/

[lean pebble]

Ik

[tame carbon]

works with KVM/QEMU

[lean pebble]

I have it

I just don't have this option

[tame carbon]

really?

you open a vm

and then click on the view tab at the top

[oak night]

re you serius

[tame carbon]

@oak night did you not click autogrow?

[oak night]

probably not

[tame carbon]

well cancel

and set that

[oak night]

Set

Should i delete the old hdd

[tame carbon]

you can

[lean pebble]

Yap nothing there

Grey out

[tame carbon]

I have, Console, Details, Snapshots, Fullscreen, Resize to VM, Scale Display, etc

[lean pebble]

I have it to

But snapshot grey out

[oak night]

what hour is where you are

Here are 11 13 pm

[peak cloak]

5:13 pm

[lean pebble]

Here 00:14am

[oak night]

Where are you?

[lean pebble]

Israel

You?

[oak night]

Italy

[lean pebble]

Nice

Monkey you are not from Amsterdam?

[peak cloak]

nope

US

[lean pebble]

Oh

[peak cloak]

NJ/NY area

[oak night]

Why

every time this error

[lean pebble]

I thought you're living in Amsterdam

[peak cloak]

that's not an error

just checking the integrity of the data

[oak night]

Ok but it has to do it every time?

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble probably because you don't use qcow2

rather, have passthrough

[lean pebble]

Maybe

[tame carbon]

qcow is a copy on write filesystem

so you can make savepoints

[peak cloak]

well, everytime you run the installer

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble you can go to the disk settings

and make sure you set the persistency properly

[oak night]

ok

Btw could i use a old rooted tablet to host a webserver?

[tame carbon]

probably

[peak cloak]

technically yeah

[tame carbon]

I've ran a minecraft server on my ipod touch 3rd gen

[peak cloak]

as long as you can put linux on it

[lean pebble]

I have 5 disks in passthrough + network card and gpu

[oak night]

i've kali linux on my phone

So i could

also run it there

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble yeah you doint want snapshots on those

[peak cloak]

you don't want to install kali linux

[tame carbon]

only if all your hardware is virtualized, will this work

[peak cloak]

use debain or ubuntu

[oak night]

i could install both

so

[peak cloak]

kali is meant to be booted off a usb

for hacking and pen testing

[oak night]

that is why i love kali

[tame carbon]

[lean pebble]

Ok

So I cant do that 😑

Well maybe next time

When I'll upgrade to 128gb ddr4 and 64 cores 😂

For more vms

[oak night]

me that i have a 4 cores and 16gb of mortal ram

[tame carbon]

smallest VMs I have are like 512M

[lean pebble]

I have now 64gb and 16/32 cores / threads

[tame carbon]

most software doesnt need a lot of ram

minecraft is one of those exceptions

[lean pebble]

Windows needs alot of it

[tame carbon]

yeah

but we're talking VMs here

I assume headless

[lean pebble]

That's why I gave him 32

I have only one kvm for gaming

Windows that's why it's off right now

Because I'm not gaming

[oak night]

What is watchdog: BUG : soft lookup

[peak cloak]

The watchdog daemon will send an non-maskable interrupt (NMI) to all CPUs in the system who, in turn, print the stack traces of their currently running tasks.```

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak which is what

casper-md5 check

he's running a live OS

[oak night]

am i?

[peak cloak]

well the installer is live

[tame carbon]

casper is for virtual persistence in live systems

[peak cloak]

casper-md5 check is expected to cause a softlockup?

[tame carbon]

no

but I think his vm is dodgy/faulty

[peak cloak]

yeah

[oak night]

i could try

With a different version of ubuntu server

[peak cloak]

pretty sure it's your vm, not ubuntu server

I just installed 20.04LTS 2 weeks ago

[oak night]

Or maybe i can install it on my pc and passing it on the laptop

[tame carbon]

@oak night are you sure you have plenty of memory?

[oak night]

Drive memory or ram?

[tame carbon]

ram

on your host

[oak night]

it has 4gb

[tame carbon]

like your guest needs at least 512M

[oak night]

the laptop

And i gave 2 to the os

[tame carbon]

if you allocate too much might run into issues with the live OS

mh

@oak night thats pushing it

@peak cloak I think it was just really slow lol

@oak night are you on an ssd?

I/O is kernel mode lol

[oak night]

i should give ubuntu 512Mb

[oak night]

nope

Not on that pc

[tame carbon]

@oak night 4G with windows, and then a guest OS

you barely have enough memory to run windows

[peak cloak]

I usually give like 1 gb to a vm

[oak night]

i ran kali on that machine

On a vm

[peak cloak]

on your laptop?

[oak night]

YUp

[peak cloak]

with 4gb of host ram

[oak night]

Yup

[peak cloak]

kali is debian right?

[tame carbon]

ish

[oak night]

idk

[lean pebble]

Yap

Based on Debian / ububtu

[oak night]

ubuntu is based on what?

[tame carbon]

debian

[peak cloak]

debian

[lean pebble]

Debian

[oak night]

so it should run

WHY

[lean pebble]

Only windows based on air

[tame carbon]

and wishful thinking

[peak cloak]

windows is dos

[lean pebble]

No air

[tame carbon]

how was it?

plug and pray?

[lean pebble]

Because it have nothing but bugs

[oak night]

yeah....

[peak cloak]

there are some nice parts of windows

for desktop

[oak night]

none, that it hasn't nice parts

[peak cloak]

windows managment

X11 is eh on linux

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak hardware support for windows is quite narrow

[lean pebble]

I prefer ps aux and htop/top

Or glances

[tame carbon]

and drivers are mostly propietary

[oak night]

i would use linux

[tame carbon]

which has a lot of issues going into the future

[oak night]

But every program that i use is on windows

[tame carbon]

simply put

[peak cloak]

yeah, isn't there a new linux desktop manager being developed?

[tame carbon]

this whole microsoft closed source ecosystem and all their partners, its not ment to last

[peak cloak]

like what?

[tame carbon]

its ment to make them tonns of money

because

[oak night]

Photoshop

[tame carbon]

capitalism

[oak night]

And i dont like gimp

[peak cloak]

ah it's called wayland

[lean pebble]

If you want a powerful htop/top you can use glances and even get your I/O stats real time

[oak night]

Dreamweaver lightroom

[lean pebble]

And if you system crash it have the reason there

[oak night]

Does Epic games launcher works on linux?

[tame carbon]

@oak night https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezUoiaoQCTs
Beware volume

[peak cloak]

but nvidia driver's don't support wayland I think

[lean pebble]

It even comes with web based

And you can use it to monitor more than 1 system

[oak night]

When games will run on linux and it'll run adobe's programs

i'll switch(use a nintendo switch)

[peak cloak]

adobe no

[tame carbon]

linux is perfect to run a windows vm on

[peak cloak]

most games can be run through proton

I was suprised cities skylines can run on linux

[tame carbon]

it does

[lean pebble]

Agree

[peak cloak]

I mostly play KSP

[oak night]

Kerbal space program?

[peak cloak]

yep

[oak night]

i like it

[peak cloak]

big space fan

[lean pebble]

I want KFC

[peak cloak]

and aviation

[oak night]

we are 2

[lean pebble]

Can you send via air delivery?

[oak night]

i'm too a fan (computer fan)

[lean pebble]

I wish KFC will come back to Israel

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/tII8atD.png

[peak cloak]

also linux audio

not perfect

[oak night]

I dont know guys

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/zn4VJn7.jpg

[lean pebble]

I had no problems with Linux audio

[oak night]

i like linux

but i don't want to do the switch

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/k4C8kB3.jpg

I mean, there's still a lot of games on here I can play

[lean pebble]

I have windows kvm machine only for gaming

[peak cloak]

pulseaudio is a pretty improvement though

[lean pebble]

Because 2 of my favorite games are not on steam

[peak cloak]

I need to keep windows because online tests

[lean pebble]

So can't use proton

[tame carbon]

windows auto is terrible

you have

[oak night]

guys can i export my windows to a windows virtual machine?

[tame carbon]

1 output

and 1 media output

you cannot redirect audiostreams outside of applications

[peak cloak]

I think you need to make a windows image or something like that

[oak night]

how

?

Cuz if i can do it

[peak cloak]

System Backup Image

[oak night]

I can do the switch

[peak cloak]

with linux, you just need to be confortable with the command line

[lean pebble]

You can do it if you have VMware esxi server.
They have a feature that does it for you
Easy way

[peak cloak]

and googling

[oak night]

i'm nto

not

Not that much

[peak cloak]

I find myself to not use apt a lot more than the included kde software center

[lean pebble]

I need to find a way to go back to my regular user on my fedora

[peak cloak]

faster for me to do sudo apt install neofetch

[lean pebble]

I was too annoyed because sudo so I moved back to root for installing things and update and now I can't move back

[tame carbon]

spotify works well on ubuntu too :o

[peak cloak]

you can go into a root session

[tame carbon]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5865iLDtoPzhql76c2XTJW?si=w31Wv5MQSQiezinFTrMYxw

[lean pebble]

I know

[tame carbon]

most melodic cursing ever

[lean pebble]

But I'm running on root now because my kvm machine

[peak cloak]

sudo su - root

[lean pebble]

I installed it via root so I can't start it from regular user

[peak cloak]

idk how bad practice that is

[lean pebble]

I love infected mushrooms

Hell no

Haha

[tame carbon]

:(){ :|:& };:

[peak cloak]

what does that do

[lean pebble]

I'm not removing alot of stuff so...

[tame carbon]

:3

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Fork_bomb.svg/1920px-Fork_bomb.svg.png

[lean pebble]

I'm using Linux since I was 13

[tame carbon]

me since 15

[lean pebble]

On servers

[tame carbon]

yeah thats where I started too

I use it daily on my laptop now

all the tools I use professionally run on that very well

[peak cloak]

same, first with servers not on desktop

[lean pebble]

Now I use it on my main pc

[peak cloak]

all except for davinci resolve work fine

[tame carbon]

using linux, like when everything is dialed in

just feels more natural

[peak cloak]

the built-in audio recorder doesn't work

[tame carbon]

less obstructed by clicking

[peak cloak]

it records from ALSA not pulse

[tame carbon]

you can simply automate steps and tasks

into tiny scripts

like, I use LaTeX when writing documents

just have a list script that generates a pdf

and I have the document on the monitor, and the raw text on the other monitor

auto updates

[peak cloak]

and davinci won't import h.265 and h.264

which is a common codec

you need to use ffmpeg to transcode it to another one

[tame carbon]

yeah I was just about to say

like

[lean pebble]

Wtf why my quemu takes 99% cpu

[tame carbon]

isnt ffmpeg like the swissarmy knife for video transcoding?

[peak cloak]

the other codec has big file sizes

[peak cloak]

yeah

[lean pebble]

My windows machine only on 1% cpu usage

[peak cloak]

still, would be nice to not have to transcode it before importing

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/RxrKZDx.png

[peak cloak]

resolve on windows also doesn't have a h.264 encoder but windows does which it offloads to windows

[tame carbon]

xD

Good luck

[peak cloak]

linux doesn't

[peak cloak]

yeah it's interesting to use

[lean pebble]

Quemu uses 99% on 1 core

[tame carbon]

There are frontends

[oak night]

installing ubuntu server on a vm on my main pc

[peak cloak]

that's the command to transcode webm to dnxHD .mov

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak I'm googling for ffmpeg frontends right now

like

we dont have to use the commandline

we can use a frontend to configure

and then just copy the commandstring

xD

thats how I do this stuff lol

https://github.com/amiaopensource/ffmpeg-amia-wiki/wiki/3)-Graphical-User-Interface-Applications-using-FFmpeg

handbrake

oh man

I remember from years ago during xp era

ripping DVDs

took

days

[peak cloak]

I wrote a script to transcode all files in a dir but I deleted it because I finished a project

[oak night]

why you need to install a kernel?

[tame carbon]

@oak night ffmpeg is just a program

[oak night]

For ubuntu server

Sorry

[tame carbon]

once you have ubuntu installed

its just

[peak cloak]

kernel is what talks to the hardware directly

[tame carbon]

apt install ffmpeg

[oak night]

ok

Thanks

[peak cloak]

windows has one

every OS needs one

[tame carbon]

NT kernel

"Next Technology"

[oak night]

you guys are awesome

[peak cloak]

everything else is built on top of the kernel

[tame carbon]

MacOS runs XNU Kernel

[peak cloak]

windows is a minimal kernel I think it's called

linux is a monolithic right?

[tame carbon]

yes

but does support loading kernel modules whose source are outside of the kernel source tree

with dkms

[oak night]

Wait ubuntu server is still technically networking?

[tame carbon]

@oak night every other channel on LTT is windows

[peak cloak]

well, this is where all the linux people hang out

[tame carbon]

here, everyone knows linux

cus thats what 90% of servers run

[oak night]

ok

[oak night]

ok

[tame carbon]

windows is for mortals

[oak night]

I'm gonna die

I use windows

😆

[tame carbon]

Im using too

[peak cloak]

the other 9% is like government and AD

[tame carbon]

but not for important things

[oak night]

i have multiple keys of windows server

For free

[tame carbon]

windows is garbage

how many times have we seen a worm speed so badly

like

[peak cloak]

there are some good parts

[tame carbon]

NotPetya few years ago

WannaCry was the initial attack, then was patched

and notpetya cripped Ukrain's IT infra structure, and a couple corporations internationnally

due to unpatched servers

[oak night]

Do you guys use visual studio enterprise?

[tame carbon]

no

[peak cloak]

nope

vscode

[tame carbon]

IDEA

[peak cloak]

I don't do any serious coding

[oak night]

me too

i'm a 14 year guy who just likes pc and stuff

[tame carbon]

I've done a lot of coding, mostly java

and maven is commandline based

and intellij just integrates well with it

java is a language you'll want a full IDE for

[lean pebble]

I need to fix my intellij

Not working properly

[tame carbon]

clear cache

[lean pebble]

No cache

Java integration issues

Need to reinstall

[tame carbon]

wat

[lean pebble]

Cannot run code only build

[tame carbon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petya_(malware)

This is considered the worst cyber attack ever

It pretended to be ransomware

but nobody actually restored systems

Maersk was also hit xD

150 of their global domain controllers got hijacked

and had all their backups wiped

they got lucky though, in Equador they had a power outage at the time

and 1 backup survived

[peak cloak]

wow

there must be some linux malware though?

[tame carbon]

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/06/27/534560169/large-cyberattack-hits-ukraine-snarling-electric-grids-and-airports

@peak cloak it was using EternalBlue

the exploit that was stolen from the NSA by hackers

[peak cloak]

it's always the NSA isn't it

[tame carbon]

it was a zeroday exploit in the SMB protocol

allowed you to break into any networked windows computer

[lean pebble]

Like always

[tame carbon]

and NotPetya was a worm

so it was self-replicating

[lean pebble]

Always smb hacked

[tame carbon]

as was WannaCry

@peak cloak if there's no firewall

it can spread and spread and spread

so in this case

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_cyberattacks_on_Ukraine

They sent an infected PDF to an employee of the govt

and then managed to get through into systems of banks

all over the world

[oak night]

How do you infect a pdf?

[peak cloak]

isn't pdf an annoying doc format

it can run js?

[lean pebble]

I hate pdfs

Annoying

[tame carbon]

oh shit

no

My mistake

that was a different hack

[oak night]

But can it run code?

[lean pebble]

But they're good

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak now I remember

[lean pebble]

Ya

[tame carbon]

they hacked MeDoc

[peak cloak]

pdf's are a pain to edit using anything else other than adobe acrobat

[tame carbon]

MeDoc was an update distributor for enterprise windows networks

[oak night]

that no one has

[tame carbon]

they installed a 1.2GB payload package

which was then distributed to a bunch of networks over the world

[lean pebble]

You can infect even a photo

[peak cloak]

I have it only because of school

[tame carbon]

MeDoc provides periodic updates to its program through an update server. On the day of the attack, 27 June 2017, an update for MeDoc was pushed out by the update server, following which the ransomware attack began to appear. British malware expert Marcus Hutchins claimed "It looks like the software's automatic update system was compromised and used to download and run malware rather than updates for the software."

[peak cloak]

but it can't run on linux

[oak night]

How?

[lean pebble]

Because photo is a kinda zip

[oak night]

i'm interested in those things

Not in doing them

[lean pebble]

You can hide files into photos

[oak night]

But in knowing how they've done them

[lean pebble]

By drag them into the photo

[peak cloak]

it's really complicated low level stuff

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak MeDoc had about 400,000 customers across Ukraine, representing about 90% of the country's domestic firms[8] and prior to the attack was installed on an estimated 1 million computers in Ukraine.

[peak cloak]

idk myself

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak and guess who was behind the attack

[lean pebble]

Infecting a photo it's not too complicated

[peak cloak]

russians?

[tame carbon]

yeah

[oak night]

Is there anyone who could teach us?

[oak night]

what a news

[lean pebble]

The Russians

😂

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak Ukraine is currently russia's cyber battleground testlab

with the annexation of the Krim and all

[oak night]

I love this server

and is just my first day in it

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak I've read into this, its quite scary what these kind of exploits can do

[peak cloak]

@thorny vector works in cyber security I think

[tame carbon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EternalBlue

[lean pebble]

I hided files into photos at age 15

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak so even though it was patched

[lean pebble]

Ya

[peak cloak]

well hiding files could be kinda easy, but having a image run code?

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak lol that hack on ukraine even disabled the radiation monitoring system around chernobyl

[oak night]

ok

[lean pebble]

I dragged so e files into some image

[tame carbon]

scary stuff

[lean pebble]

Almost same thing

[peak cloak]

boy is everything interconnected

[tame carbon]

yeah

[peak cloak]

how?

[tame carbon]

and running windows xp

[lean pebble]

You click on the photo it opens a program

[tame carbon]

do you know how many ATMs run on windows lol?

[oak night]

Can you teach me?

@lean pebble

[lean pebble]

Just adding to this photo a piece of code that runs to