networking

[thorny vector]

Anyone can have their own CA. I personally use windows Active Directory Certificate Service

[unborn sluice]

anyone can be a CA

but not everyone is a trusted CA

[peak cloak]

huh

[unborn sluice]

It is not whom he is

but he whom is

[dusty osprey]

[zealous dock]

jo how to i have 500mb lines and fiber but i still get like 60 ping in every single game i play

[modern reef]

It could be the game. What Ping you get when you ping Google and others?

[dusty osprey]

Having better speeds never means you will get better ping, it usually matters on where the servers are and where you are located

[slow belfry]

and with what places your ISP is peered with

[dusty osprey]

Techincally yea bgp chooses the shortest route but it doesn't choose based on ping unless told so

[unborn sluice]

I assumed most shortest route should be the lowest of ping

perhaps

https://tenor.com/view/maybe-possibly-perhaps-gif-14588906

[desert quartz]

Hi guys - ples help

So when I download games through the Origin software it disconnects my network - so that I have to unplug and restart router... Why is this happening? any ideas?

[unborn sluice]

Origin hates you

[modern reef]

Do ALL devices on your network lose connectivity?

[desert quartz]

yeah

[unborn sluice]

what if your ISP hates origin and disconnects you

[desert quartz]

why not steam, epic, uplay etc?

that wouldn't make sense

[unborn sluice]

they don't hate those

[desert quartz]

:/

[modern reef]

Sounds like you need a new router, I cannot imagine a consumer router allowing you to set something that will just kill itself. What is your router model for starters?

[desert quartz]

but again, why just Origin? It doesn't happen with ANY other downloads.

[unborn sluice]

they just don't like origin

that's all

[modern reef]

Could be packet size, I am not an Origin dev, I am not sure how it works. If you find an setting in your router labeled MTU try setting in to 1000, normally they are 1500 by default. See if that works.

[dusty osprey]

Not necessarily rlly actually

[unborn sluice]

Yes not necessarily

[dusty osprey]

Usuaally short routes means routes via IX or private routed usually should be less ping but sometimes it doesnt have to be thay shortest is lowest

[steep dust]

does anyone know why steam games wont run off my NAS

like I have everything connected but when I run the game it tries but fails 10 seconds later

[unborn sluice]

[steep dust]

Fair assessment

[unborn sluice]

Agreed

[waxen saddle]

Do you have a mapped network drive to your NAS?

[steep dust]

yes

[unborn sluice]

what's your internal speed

100M?

[steep dust]

according to crystal disk yes

[unborn sluice]

[clear igloo]

Crystal disk shows in MB by default so that would mean 1Gbps LAN

[unborn sluice]

ye

[steep dust]

everything else works on the unraid server im just lost and cant find anything on google

[clear igloo]

Is it all games or a specific game?

[steep dust]

among us and risk of rain 2 work

like tf2 and doom dont

I feel like its timing out but Idk why or how to fix it

[tame carbon]

Diagnosed some's internet today

had to declare another TPlink router dead

https://cnet3.cbsistatic.com/img/shfg3O6QRaZTa1Eu1gdzoWkaSzo=/470x376/2013/08/26/4a15cc75-5028-4362-b4f6-a806257f69dc/tp-link-tl-wr941nd-wireless-router-4-port-switch-802-11b-g-n-draft-2-0.jpg

was one of these

running @ 30% packet loss

from LAN -> WAN

[slow steeple]

why did u ddos them

[tame carbon]

no

Their internet was misbehaving

[slow steeple]

oh im so stupid i cant read

[tame carbon]

and they had this tplink router, connected to another device in the basement which was handling the business office/private house internet

@slow steeple they had a new LAN cable installed by someone between the basement and the 2nd floor

so first I thought it was the wiring that was faulty

unplugged router and put my laptop directly on the link

pings downstairs router 0% loss

[brave bramble]

Getting there!

[peak cloak]

nice

I need to get myself a proper pdu

[brave bramble]

I need to get a bigger ups XD

[tame carbon]

@brave bramble put the power on the bottom of your rack, data at the top

not next to eachother

PDU's typically mounted other way around too :3

[clear igloo]

Depends on the layout and placement of devices where the PDU mounts but of course if we're talking DC the PDUs are at the back of the rack in most cases

[tame carbon]

@clear igloo the output of his switch is in front of the PDU output

the moment you put a power brick in there

its gg

you get a transformer next to ethernet

thats a recipe for crosstalk

[clear igloo]

It's got front and rear power ports

[tame carbon]

oh, cool

[clear igloo]

Yah, I've got the same one 😄

[tame carbon]

most of the stuff in my rack is PoE

[clear igloo]

Same

[tame carbon]

I think my router, server and media converter have external power

they are all on the UPS

[tame carbon]

uplink? https://i.imgur.com/xh2C498.png

[clear igloo]

Nah, that's from RIPE, it's a probe

[tame carbon]

probe?

[clear igloo]

Yah, you can order a probe from RIPE and hook it up and get stats and whatnot on the internet connection but it helps them also aggregate data on various ISPs around the globe too

[tame carbon]

oh

but its fiber?

[clear igloo]

Ah, I see, no, the fiber goes to the NUC further to the left

[tame carbon]

wat xD

10G?

[clear igloo]

it's a TB3 dongle off the NUC and the probe is PoE powered

Yah

[tame carbon]

neat

my rack is tiny

only couple devices

most of the stuff is virtualized

[clear igloo]

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B019BLMWY0
Got a bunch of these around the home to PoE power stuff that normally isn't 😄

[tame carbon]

I have some ipcams that are PoE powered

[clear igloo]

Yah, I got a bunch of those and cleaned up like 8 wall warts behind my entertainment center downstairs

[tame carbon]

ideally

what you'd want to standardize in houses

is a kind of electrical device built into the house

[brave bramble]

It is at bottom lol

[tame carbon]

with a 10G sfp+ port and PoE out

@brave bramble yeah but your switch

is quite close

[brave bramble]

My pdu has outlets on both sides

[tame carbon]

yep

Lurick already filled me in

[clear igloo]

Yah, there was one article I saw of someone who actually did some insane electrical work in their home so everything fed off a few UPS in the network closet

[tame carbon]

@clear igloo so the ISP can hook up their equipment to the house directly

this would simplify design a lot

and make it standard

[clear igloo]

@tame carbon That would make things so nice

[tame carbon]

and easy

[brave bramble]

Do i should raise switch up?

[tame carbon]

@brave bramble lol what you could do is move your switch up, to the point where the devices ontop are just within the housing

[waxen scroll]

@clear igloo dont copy that floppy

[tame carbon]

thats a place where you can't normally mount devices

but this saves you 1 rack unit in space

[clear igloo]

You wouldn't copy a car would you?!

[tame carbon]

download a floppy

[brave bramble]

XD

[waxen scroll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI

[brave bramble]

Any ideas on ethernet cable management

[cursive valve]

Only wireless

[brave bramble]

Omg i almost forgot about that!

[tame carbon]

dd if=/home/crystal/Downloads/floppy.img of=/dev/fd0

xD

[peak cloak]

path panel?

[tame carbon]

patch panel

https://www.atel-electronics.eu/pic_cache/10/04953.jpg?1507274137

something like that

[brave bramble]

Soo ethernet gets plugged into back of it?

[tame carbon]

the back looks like this

https://i.imgur.com/3f335by.png

https://www.cmple.com/content/images/thumbs/platinum-tools-13156c-pro-strike-punchdown-tool-with-110-blade_NID0007195.jpeg

you use a punchdown tool to attach the wires

[brave bramble]

....

I hav no idea how to do that lol

[tame carbon]

sure you do

match the color of the wire to the slot

then put the tool ontop of it

and press it down till it clicks

it secures the wire, splices it and cuts of the end

tool is relatively cheap

https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/closeup-of-an-engineer-send-using-a-punchdown-tool-picture-id1257027117

https://www.netstoredirect.com/15873-large_default/krone-style-idc-punchdown-tool.jpg

looks like this

[clear igloo]

You can technically even use a flathead screwdriver if you're in a pinch 🙂

[tame carbon]

yeah

[waxen scroll]

pls no

[clear igloo]

I said in a pinch, lol

[brave bramble]

Oh ny

So any other problems/benefits that may arise?

[tame carbon]

@brave bramble usually if you have say, a house with a bunch of outlets

you have them all terminated on such a panel

and then you use short cables to plug them into a switch

[brave bramble]

Hmmm

[tame carbon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/776722183119699988/777646103775674368/IMG-20200922-WA0001.jpg

this is what I got ^

[brave bramble]

Hmm

Id need alot of small ethernet cables lol

[tame carbon]

you get them in bulk for like $1 each

the ones you see up there ^

I terminated myself lol

[brave bramble]

Where?

Ooo

[tame carbon]

yeah

[brave bramble]

Where would i get these cables

[tame carbon]

I just spent an afternoon cutting cable crimping heads on them

I mean, amazon sells them xD

[dusty osprey]

You have posted this image for the 1195th time!

[brave bramble]

And the ones that come out of back of patch box i assume is just bulk ethernet?

[dusty osprey]

uwu

[tame carbon]

@dusty osprey well its good example

of a minimalistic 10G home network

[brave bramble]

I plan to move to 10gb eventually

[peak cloak]

you can also get a keystone patch panel

[tame carbon]

punchdown is faster

[brave bramble]

Wats thay

[dusty osprey]

me vibi;n with my 1Gig single wifi router

😎

works perfectly fine

[peak cloak]

there are positives and negatives

[tame carbon]

you lay the wires in

punch punch punch punch punch

and then you ziptie the cable to the flanges at the back

and go to the next one

[tame carbon]

yeah ^

those flanges are for strain relief

but you end up with a bundle of cables on one side

[peak cloak]

and then you get what you need

[tame carbon]

yeah I am no fan of those

they are more expensive

@peak cloak yeah but this is modular vs nonmodular basically

[peak cloak]

yeah

I like the keystone since I also want to be able to route things from the back of my rack to the front through a coupler

[brave bramble]

Hmm

Looking into this anything i should know

[tame carbon]

delete those images

you dox yourself

[peak cloak]

oh yeah

[brave bramble]

Thnx i didn't notice

There

[peak cloak]

why couplers?

[brave bramble]

Wats difference

[peak cloak]

couplers you need to terminate an rj45 first

[tame carbon]

omg

https://youtu.be/l_P6m3JTyp0?t=956

[brave bramble]

I hav alot of cables i plan to reuse

[tame carbon]

Watch 1-2 minutes of this

@peak cloak

[brave bramble]

@peak cloak

[tame carbon]

I need to write my self-assesment soon for graduation

and I kinda worked exactly like this guy in this talk xD

and he's got the reputation to back it up

[peak cloak]

for terminating structured cabling (wires from the wall) I would use punchdown keystones

you can reuse punchdowns

but if you just want for like routing, you can use couplers

[brave bramble]

I dnt hav any from the wall atm lol

[peak cloak]

I plan on getting both

ah ok, so then couplers should be fine

[brave bramble]

Ill probably do both eventually

But for now

This will ve perfect

Thanks yall

[peak cloak]

interesting

[brave bramble]

Another thing if i get cat6a couplers can i use cat 6 wires? Just asking so i know if some thing happens

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak yeah just started watching this talk

its pretty good

[peak cloak]

6a is shielded right?

you should be able to use unshielded 6 fine

[brave bramble]

Yea i believe so

[tame carbon]

@brave bramble it just needs to be grounded

cat6a cable have a metal shield around the core

the RJ45 jack you put on usually has a flange that it hooks to

so its all grounded

to the case

[brave bramble]

I believe u can get shielded cat6 as well

[tame carbon]

because the case is grounded too

cat6 doesnt need to be shielded

cat6a is

[brave bramble]

Okk

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak lol I need to add this as one of my references to my research document lol

[little schooner]

is it true that AMD 3000 series CPUs can't do nested virtualization in Server 2016?

It doesn't seem to work for me.

[rocky badge]

Hyper-V nested virt is Intel only with VT-x and EPT

[little schooner]

awwww

[dusty osprey]

xD

[brave bramble]

U should be able to just plug in the router and go but make sure u hav login if isp uses ppo or something i dnt remember wat its called

Ppoe or something

[brave bramble]

PPPoE is wat it is

[dusty osprey]

Yea if isp does dhcp then plug n play will work PPPoE requires username pwd for login

[waxen scroll]

[brave bramble]

soooo is it possible to hook up a pi to one of these https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0001GU7NS/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1 to monitor it?

[thick minnow]

networking stuff is so overpriced

wt absolute f

[brave bramble]

wat?

[thick minnow]

Cisco Switch for like $9k

sorry, I saw the $250k "insurance" and thought it was the price lol

[brave bramble]

okk lol

the price is y i wnna hook a pi to it instead of getting internet card lol

[thick minnow]

I can't see the price for some reason, how much is it?

I mean, it's UPS, it'll hook up to anything

[brave bramble]

for no network card $363.99

[thick minnow]

or does it just have a UPS built in

oh

[brave bramble]

with card $712.26

it is a ups

[clear igloo]

Yah, $370 seems like a lot for 750VA UPS

[brave bramble]

got a recommendation

[waxen scroll]

@clear igloo is the problem

[brave bramble]

i wnt one to fit in rack lol

[clear igloo]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HDODQYS/
I've got a bigger version of that one

[waxen scroll]

its other peoples money and they use sales people. thats why its so expensive.

[thick minnow]

hahah

[brave bramble]

how u like that one?

cz that seems perfect

[thick minnow]

what are you powering off it?

[clear igloo]

It's great, the OR2200 (2200VA/1650W) lasts me a good 40 minutes with ~350 watts of power draw

[brave bramble]

modem, router, rpi3b+, 24port switch, small server (plex with 1070/i38100, 8hdd) and minecraft server (same machine)

[clear igloo]

Yah, it comes with a USB to serial cable too so you can plug right in and I know they've got software for Linux

https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/software/power-panel-personal/#platform-section

[brave bramble]

niceeeeeee

i like it thnx

itll prob be awhile before i get it tho XD

still gotta get patch box LOL

[thick minnow]

8 HDDs wow

[brave bramble]

technically 9

[thick minnow]

1 in your rig?

[brave bramble]

nope counting rig its +2 sata ssd, +2nvme ssd, +1 sata hdd

its 9 cz i hav a 2.5 raptor in front of it\

[thick minnow]

in front of the server/plex/monster? Is external?

that's a mad setup though, props 🙂

[brave bramble]

no its inside but in front instead of in cage

[thick minnow]

hahaha

[brave bramble]

not rlly but thnx!

see

i need to start replacing drives LOL

[thick minnow]

hahaha

yeah I think when NVME hit I was like... okay it's probably time to retire the HDDs

but they keep working

[brave bramble]

right LOL

[thick minnow]

so NAS it is

[brave bramble]

LOL

I just need proper nas drives

Or higher

[thick minnow]

I'm running a couple of HDDs off a cheapo HDD to USB/cloner thingy. Works great hah

[brave bramble]

LOL

[thick minnow]

I have HDDs in drawers

[brave bramble]

I also hav these

[thick minnow]

are these included in your 9 HDD?

or are these extra lol

[brave bramble]

4tb, 2tb, 4tb respectively

Extra

[thick minnow]

wow, those are massive

wtf

[brave bramble]

Im actually capped sadness

[thick minnow]

wtf are you downloading?

are you backing up the internet?

[brave bramble]

1 word

Plex

[peak cloak]

what file system are you using?

[thick minnow]

so like 4k movies abound

[peak cloak]

or raid?

[brave bramble]

Actually 1080p mostly

Raid for internal

[thick minnow]

can I come to your house, I'll bring beer

[brave bramble]

Well not technically

[thick minnow]

lol

RAID .... number

[peak cloak]

I need to learn ZFS since I want to build a nas

[thick minnow]

are you raiding 0?

[brave bramble]

Its actually windows storage spaces

Sooo not actual raid

Unfortunately

[peak cloak]

wait, your nas is running windows?

[brave bramble]

Y not lol

Yep

[peak cloak]

whyyyyy

[brave bramble]

Modified but windows none the less

Its wat im familiar with

Im thinking of moving to unraid

[thick minnow]

what's the benefit of windows storage spaces?

[peak cloak]

unraid is not so good either

[brave bramble]

Hmm

[thick minnow]

redundancy?

[brave bramble]

Wat u recommend

[peak cloak]

ZFS

[brave bramble]

Yep

Got link lol

[peak cloak]

well TrueNAS uses ZFS

ZFS is just a file system kinda

[brave bramble]

I see

I dnt hav ecc ram if that matters

[peak cloak]

The problem with unraid is all the "checksums" or whatever it's called is on one or more dedicated drives

[thick minnow]

What's the deal with ZFS?

[peak cloak]

ZFS is a file system lots of enterprises use

it has error checking

redundancy

[thick minnow]

it's a linux only thing?

[peak cloak]

I think there may be a way to run it on windows

but linux is the best for this type of stuff

[brave bramble]

Storage spaces i believe runs that

[peak cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsFDp-W1Ks0

[brave bramble]

I would need to check tho

[peak cloak]

maybe the same concept but not ZFS

[brave bramble]

Yea

[peak cloak]

the problem with zfs it's not that easy to expand it

[thick minnow]

watching now, thanks

[brave bramble]

Ahh

[peak cloak]

you need to expand it in "chunks"

[brave bramble]

Hm

[peak cloak]

if you want to add just one drive that's in the same dev you would need to restripe your data

ideally you would just add another vdev

or whatever it's called

[brave bramble]

Right

[peak cloak]

I'm not a zfs expert

[brave bramble]

Right

[peak cloak]

but ZFS can run on basically any linux or maybe even other *nix systems

[brave bramble]

Yea

[peak cloak]

and it requires some planning beforehand

not as user friendly like unraid probably, but free

also I like how truenas says it needs 8gb of ram, but I ran it to test on a 2gb system

[brave bramble]

LOL

damn thats looooow

[peak cloak]

it was some old core 2 duo system I got for free

[brave bramble]

ill prob move wen main server is back online and i can afford to move extra stuff to another machine

anyway to take a physical install of windows and port it to virtual for truenas

@peak cloak

[peak cloak]

why do you need windows?

and why would you want to port it?

to run it in a VM?

[brave bramble]

cz i currently run things on it that i cant run else where lol

[peak cloak]

like what? if I may ask

[brave bramble]

my main server is down sooooo

i encode there

as well as move long downloads that arent torrent related there

etc

[peak cloak]

I mean you could probobly make a windows image

and then restore from image in a vm

[brave bramble]

i mean i soppose i could run linux but it would be easier to move if i cloned

[peak cloak]

I would use linux

[brave bramble]

hmmm

[peak cloak]

are you familiar with linux at all?

[brave bramble]

i hav a little experience

[peak cloak]

cli?

[brave bramble]

enough to get it done LOL

nope

[peak cloak]

oof

[brave bramble]

well ig yes? but not really

[peak cloak]

cli is the core of linux

I mostly run servers without a gui

[brave bramble]

i used it on router and rpi server

[peak cloak]

what exactly are you running on that windows machine

encoding you said?

[brave bramble]

Handbreak for that

[peak cloak]

well there is a linux verison

[brave bramble]

Hmmm perfect

Alright next project XD

[thorny vector]

@brave bramble Please don't do virtualization on truenas

[brave bramble]

Any particular reason?

[thorny vector]

It's a fine enough storage platform, but it is in no way optimized for virtualization. Mass storage and virtualization are not good to mix for disk i/o reasons, and truenas as an OS doesn't have great support for VM control and signalling

[brave bramble]

Okk

[peak cloak]

yeah true

I forgot to mention that

[brave bramble]

Lol

[nimble sable]

isn't truenas freebsd? or do they make a lot of changes to bsd? or is bsd in general aweful at virutalization?

[thorny vector]

@nimble sable Bsd is not inherently bad for virtualization. Although as an OS it doesn’t have nearly the amount of support and packages Debian , rhel based os’s do, including virtualization applications

Disk I/o is a huge part of it. VM’s are very random I/o heavy, which when combined with big sequential reads/writes from being file storage leads to no one being happy.

[nimble sable]

hah i actually use my NAS to store my game files

lol

thats random io right?

[thorny vector]

Plus, truenas does virtualization and containers as an afterthought, which means it’s not as vetted as even free and open source hypervisors. And games are a little of both, usually dependent of how the game handles asset storage. Files individual and separate? More random. Large .dat’s and archives? Sequential

[nimble sable]

ooh ok, yea. hmm i think a lot of the ones i play are large files, interesting

[thorny vector]

For games over the network, though, you’re more constrained by network speed, unless you’re running multi-gigabit or are doing lots of simultaneous loads on the nas at the same time.

[nimble sable]

i am? honestly i only started noticing a difference when i moved from my RPM drives to SSD, even with 7200RPM it was kinda meh

[thorny vector]

Yep. I/O will cap at ~100MBps over the network, which funnily enough is similar to local HDD

[nimble sable]

oh yea there you go...i get slightly more than 100 at times, but yea pretty much same as local HDD, which again, pretty funny

it's just, why 112, where's the missing 13MBps damn it

[thorny vector]

Scheduler overhead, other traffic from the machine, etc all cut into your speed

[nimble sable]

oh btw is a multigigcard basically useless without a multigig switch AND a multigig server?

my new mobo has a multigig port on it

[thorny vector]

Yes. You can get 2 cards, and do point to point connections (I have a 10gbe backbone at work where I do that) but plugging multigig into gigabit just gives you gigabit.

[nimble sable]

hmm. welp time to upgrade my NAS/SWitch to multigig

[thorny vector]

https://mikrotik.com/product/crs305_1g_4s_in

A cheaper 10gbe switch, although you also need to buy the sfp modules too.

[nimble sable]

i was thinking off ethernet multigig...cuz, i really don't wanna haev to buy an SFP card for my server boxen

[thorny vector]

You don’t have to, just get a rj45 module.

[nimble sable]

a what?

[nimble sable]

ooh a thing that lets rj45 plug into sfp?

[thorny vector]

Rj45 sfp module, for Ethernet

[nimble sable]

coolness

ok so the runs are still copper

[thorny vector]

Yep

[nimble sable]

huh...amazonbasics FIBER OPTIC cable

man what a time we live in

[thorny vector]

I ain’t got the time or money to do a fiber conversion for my lab.

[nimble sable]

also not REALLY necesary

i almost did it but my ISP told me i prbly don't wanna use my own stuff for their ftth

thought it'd be great if i could plug the ftth directly into my router

cuz an SFP PCIe thing isn't that expensive

@thorny vector what do you think of.. PCiE SFP+ for my server --> SFP+ DAC cable to the switch you linked? then everything rj45 from there?

[thorny vector]

Sounds like that’d work fine.

[nimble sable]

wow thats the "cheap" one? thats $200

[thorny vector]

10Gbe is expensive. eBay has better deals, though

[nimble sable]

ok so for 10gbe fiber or copper backbone costs me the same

do i go for fiber?

[thorny vector]

I'd do copper

[nimble sable]

any particular reason? assuming the cost is more or less teh same

[thorny vector]

Runs are less fragile, easier to get copper, and personal preference

[nimble sable]

good point

this can't possibly be right for price

https://www.amazon.ca/NETGEAR-Insight-Ethernet-management-Aggregation/dp/B01NBBA1HQ

[thorny vector]

10 port gigabit?

[nimble sable]

what's wrong with that item, why is it only $90

[thorny vector]

looks about right

[nimble sable]

with sFP

[thorny vector]

its gigabit sfp

[nimble sable]

ooh i see it now thank you

[thorny vector]

yeah. You might also check facebook marketplace or craigslist, etc. That's where I get most of my homelab gear

[nimble sable]

nice

oooh cool i can try to sell some stuff there too then

ooh GS110EMX has 2x10Gbe rj45 ports looksl ike thats the bestbet

no conversion needed

[tame carbon]

Any recommendations for filesystem on surveilance optimized harddrives?

[thorny vector]

What OS?@tame carbon

[tame carbon]

debian

@thorny vector I would just toss ext4 on it

unless there's a better idea

no need for raid

[thorny vector]

Eh. You might be able to take advantage of zfs or btrfs integrity checking

[tame carbon]

btrfs it is

https://i.imgur.com/U4MZDHA.png

[coarse kraken]

hi i have a pc with OS installed and a laptop with no drive in it. Can i use the OS on pc and boot it from laptop using network?

[thorny vector]

You could set up a PXE boot server on the pc. But straight booting off the OS install on the PC is not possible

[coarse kraken]

thanks ill try that

[rocky badge]

@thorny vector I love those

Although I only use them for gigabit

[tribal ferry]

nanoHD is now mounted!

[tribal ferry]

Actually quick question.

I just realized my patch panel and power strip don't come with rack mount screws.

Do I need to buy screws specifically advertised as rackmount screws or will any screw work?

[thorny vector]

looks over at rack with a few wood screws in it

Try to buy purpose built ones.

[tribal ferry]

Alright.

@thorny vector These work?

https://www.amazon.com/Reliable-Hardware-Company-RH-RMSET-25-A-Washers/dp/B00JQYUAQU/?ie=UTF8&th=1

[severe wigeon]

Eyyyy, Lack rack ftw

[thorny vector]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B082GXSQTD/ref=sspa_dk_detail_1?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B082GXSQTD&pd_rd_w=OIv8E&pf_rd_p=7d37a48b-2b1a-4373-8c1a-bdcc5da66be9&pd_rd_wg=5lvWD&pf_rd_r=ZVACCDV4JGAG398KY658&pd_rd_r=fdc65dc2-b7dd-4173-953e-9254d71dae4b&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUE5MzhVMkNQUDJZOFYmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA2OTc5NzQyN0c2TFg0TzZSUkJJJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTAyNzkwMTkyRTBCWTE0ODc1RFNHJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfZGV0YWlsJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

Do these, they come with the nuts

[tribal ferry]

I've never rack mounted anything before.

Do I need the nuts?

[rocky badge]

Did your rack come with any

[thorny vector]

@severe wigeon Don't trust a lack rack with an UPS

[severe wigeon]

I'm swapping racks later on when I give a damn

UPS is at bottom

[tribal ferry]

It has not arrived yet.

[rocky badge]

ah

[thorny vector]

Not when you have a toddler, its not

[tribal ferry]

I've just looked at the amazon listings for my patch panel and surge protector and I've seen they don't come with them.

My UDM-Pro has them

[rocky badge]

UPS at bottom, 0 PDU, network at the top and back

[tribal ferry]

Let me check the listing for my rack and see if they come with any

Doesn't seem like it.

If it's $7 I'll just buy it to be safe.

[tribal ferry]

What do the rack mount nuts do?

Prevent it from being easily unscrewed?

[rocky badge]

Square hole racks

[peak cloak]

is it a square hole rack or threaded rack?

[severe wigeon]

From my process of setting it up months ago

[tribal ferry]

Square.

[severe wigeon]

It now has rails

[peak cloak]

good

[rocky badge]

@severe wigeon I need a rack lol

[severe wigeon]

$40 bucks

[tribal ferry]

Oh wait nevermind

It comes with mounting screws

Only 10 though

[peak cloak]

I got a pretty nice sized rack but only 2 post for 50 bucks

[severe wigeon]

If you have a drill and saw you can make one, or for like 20 more you can probably get one from your area

[tribal ferry]

Guess it should be enough, I only need eight for the two things that come without screws.

[rocky badge]

Lemme check craigslist again

[severe wigeon]

facebook

[rocky badge]

lol

[peak cloak]

I used facebook marketplace

I hate it though

this is my rack

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/387022787480387605/777319486004396042/20201101_115841.jpg

it's a mess

I need a patch panel and pdu

and a ups

[rocky badge]

All of my shit is just on a table/whatever I found

[peak cloak]

oh yeah, I need a good table too

[tribal ferry]

I'll order the screws just incase.

[peak cloak]

that table it's on is a table I just found laying around

I don't want to place the rack on the ground since it's in the basement

[rocky badge]

I'm probably gonna throw a rack on a 2x4

or cinder block

[peak cloak]

true

[rocky badge]

Depends on if it can actually hold lmao

@severe wigeon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00O6GNLQE/

[severe wigeon]

Solid concrete floors with thin carpet top

[rocky badge]

Was thinking about this lol

https://blob.rocks/eT7gZFGe86.png

[severe wigeon]

Looks similar to the one Im looking at

[rocky badge]

I'll need to get some rails for a HPE DL360 genwhatever

this loud boi that my friend is gonna stick in my house

To go along with my quiet boi R620

[severe wigeon]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084T9DKV2

[peak cloak]

he's gonna pay for power?

[rocky badge]

no

because I'm not paying for power

[peak cloak]

nice

[rocky badge]

plus power is like 9c/kWh

[severe wigeon]

^

[rocky badge]

DL360p Gen8, that's the sever he's getting

[peak cloak]

it's like 12c here

[rocky badge]

Dual Xeon E5-2620v2s

32GB of RAM, 2x 146GB SAS 15K

for like $200

[peak cloak]

oh nice

[rocky badge]

My R620 was $300

Dual Xeon E5-2650, 64GB of RAM, 3x 600GB SAS 10K

[severe wigeon]

My primary server is based off the pos 2950x

[rocky badge]

I'd love to get more R620s

[severe wigeon]

Sometimes I want to yeet this thing to oblivion

[rocky badge]

or something else

[peak cloak]

I just have an optiplex

and a pi

[rocky badge]

My R620 and Inspiron pfSense

[severe wigeon]

Need to go dedi for pfSense

[rocky badge]

That Inspiron is actually running ESXi and virtualizing pfSense

Doesn't bottleneck Gigabit Internet

[rocky badge]

I can get like 7Gbps out of it

Which is cool

[severe wigeon]

This system starves for air

[rocky badge]

https://blob.rocks/b6IQhLxs6U.png

1.95TiB in 15 days

[severe wigeon]

Might get a dual 5.25 to an 80mm or 92mm fan adapter

[rocky badge]

6Gbps to my router isn't bad

https://blob.rocks/nha3SNUzj0.png

[severe wigeon]

I haven't actually ever tested mine

[rocky badge]

Server CPU usage https://blob.rocks/n7pBUDDVR1.png

[severe wigeon]

Two can play that game xD

[rocky badge]

Going through my UniFi Switch

@severe wigeon https://blob.rocks/HFhMdUzj1V.png

I got a X520-DA1 for my PC

[severe wigeon]

I'm not making out

DA2 for life

[rocky badge]

Sticking this SF back in my server

[severe wigeon]

ESXi plays better with that card right?

[rocky badge]

Idk, I've had 0 issues with it

ESXi works with my Mellanox and SolarFlare

Idk about the Intel

I ran out of SFP+ ports though, so I'm gonna need another SFP+ capable switch

[severe wigeon]

I plan to buy the CRS302

[rocky badge]

https://blob.rocks/d017hWK1iL.png

net-sfc I had to install for my SolarFlare

I'm looking at the CRS317 lol

[severe wigeon]

wait no it was the CRS 305

wait, i'm just mixing everything up now

It's that one lmao

Like 350 right?

[rocky badge]

yes

[severe wigeon]

That's it lol

[rocky badge]

I'd use like 5 ports of it

6 if I wanted to use every SFP+

[severe wigeon]

Ready for the UNMS router to come out

[rocky badge]

ESXi-01: 2x SFP+
ESXi-03: 1 SFP+
US-48: 2x SFP+
Desktop: 1 SFP+

[severe wigeon]

well, in stock

Oh they're UISP now

[rocky badge]

Yeah

[severe wigeon]

https://store.ui.com/collections/early-access/products/uisp-router-pro-beta

[rocky badge]

lol https://blob.rocks/FF20xBZYtk.png

[severe wigeon]

Recently reinstalled so mine isn't high

[severe wigeon]

Only uses about 150gb this month so far

Restarted on the 2nd

[peak cloak]

my windows is broken probobly because I need to restart, but I don't want it to update

[severe wigeon]

You can prevent updating

[peak cloak]

true, I just never restarted

I had too many projects open I didn't want to loose

I really need to clean my machine of useless files

[severe wigeon]

I have a very unique naming scheme which goes off what pissed me off enough to nuke windows that time

[tribal ferry]

I'm drooling

[rich pond]

Guys I need help

It keeps damn saying this and accross my devices

Im getting annoye

[peak cloak]

do you have admin access to your router/AP

[rich pond]

yea

[peak cloak]

well under wireless change the encryption to AES

[rich pond]

Where’s that

I don’t see

[peak cloak]

wifi settings prob

[dusty osprey]

secuirty

oh that

[rich pond]

Which one

[peak cloak]

what does it show on the right?

there's more to the page, right?

[peak cloak]

maybe under wifi advanced?

[rich pond]

I ready showed u

WiFi advance

Why is this such a pin

Pain

[peak cloak]

oh

what's the model of the router

maybe it doesn't support it

[dusty osprey]

real pain is programming edge routers so dont complain

[rich pond]

https://motorolamentor.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360008391954-Changing-wireless-security-settings?mobile_site=true

I’ve ready put 192.168.0.1

It doesn’t even work

[peak cloak]

no, that doesn't matter

that's just the ip of the router

[rich pond]

I have an mr1700

Or ac1700

Is that supported

[peak cloak]

huh, idk

can't find much info

@rich pond what's under wifi access control

[dusty osprey]

Show that maybe

Oh yea exactly

[rich pond]

Oh ok

Do I enable

[dusty osprey]

weird

[peak cloak]

bad router

[rich pond]

I’ll enable

What am getting

[peak cloak]

yea no

that's just MAC blocking

[rich pond]

Respond to ping I enable?

[dusty osprey]

nooo

[peak cloak]

no

[dusty osprey]

that isnt the setting

[peak cloak]

that has nothing to do with wifi

[dusty osprey]

Can u clicc that

Wifi

[rich pond]

I’m only getting that

What about this?

[peak cloak]

DDNS?

that has nothing to do with wifi

[rich pond]

Ok

I just bought this router to replace my corrupted firmware

Netgear ac1200

What about this

[peak cloak]

nope

that's just WAN

nothing to do with wifi

probably just doesn't support AES then

[rich pond]

I read

Amazon

[peak cloak]

just know that means it's much easier to crack the wifi encryption and get access to the network

[rich pond]

this router cannot be setup to use WEP encryption only WPA/WPA2 encryption.

so is that bad

Should I return

It’s really fast bruh

It doesn’t get too hot

[peak cloak]

I don't like all-in-one routers

most of them suck

https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac3

[rich pond]

So this router basco

Bad

[spare cypress]

You'll be much better off with a dedicated Firewall and a separate Wifi AP

[peak cloak]

why dedicated firewall

[rich pond]

Bruh I don’t even know what that mean

[spare cypress]

Lowest overhead and if he goes for something like Ubiquity they have great customer support as well as covering the whole range of networking hardware

[rich pond]

So guys this is a bad router cuz if that wpa thing does that security even matter

Is this?

[peak cloak]

@spare cypress nah mtik is where it's at

[spare cypress]

If you never do anything sensitive it doesn't matter but if you do things like online shopping or banking you would mind

[peak cloak]

@rich pond look at what I posted above, that mtik is nice

And affordable

[spare cypress]

I have a RB4011 as my fw and a Groove for an ap

[peak cloak]

@spare cypress you mean router?

[rich pond]

So what do I do

[spare cypress]

No I don't the 4011 does nothing other than fw rules/natting/routing

[rich pond]

I’m stuck with spectrum too

Only

isp in my area i live in a rural area

[peak cloak]

Doesn't matter you can get a new router

[spare cypress]

Or you can switch to a Secure VPN provider which encrypts your traffic

[peak cloak]

I guess, but why

[spare cypress]

And use your current router and ISP

[peak cloak]

Just get a good router/Ap

https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac3

[spare cypress]

Id go for a MK audience if your budget allows it

[peak cloak]

I have a erx and a eap225

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/387022787480387605/777319486004396042/20201101_115841.jpg

[spare cypress]

Only non MK device I use is a HPE Pro curve instead of the crappy ONT my provider installs XD

[tribal ferry]

mtik + ubiquiti together*

[peak cloak]

I want to get a hex s, the erx sucks with ipv6

Everything is cli for ipv6

[tribal ferry]

you want cli only?

no admin interface?

[peak cloak]

No

To manage ipv6 on the erx it's cli only

[tribal ferry]

ah

gotcha

[peak cloak]

It's not in the gui, so I can accidentally overwrite settings in the gui if I'm not careful

[tribal ferry]

I see you have an EdgeRouter in your setup

Where's your mtik hardware?

[peak cloak]

I want to replace the erx with the hex s

I bought it before I knew anything about networking

At least I bought a erx and not some TP-Link ethernet router

[tribal ferry]

What's the best set up for a device with a surge protector, patch panel, and a UDM Pro?

I know the surge protector should be lowest, but should the patch panel be on top of the UDM pro or vice versa?

[peak cloak]

I would say the patch panel on the very top

[tribal ferry]

Thought so.

[brave bramble]

im looking to upgrade my switch to 10gb and am wondering should i get a managed or unmanaged switch?

[versed seal]

if you are dealing with 10gb ... managed

though what are you using it for? L2? L3?

(L3 obviously managed)

[brave bramble]

i hav no clue lol im looking to majorly increase speed between nas and server

[versed seal]

@tribal ferry ... i've alawys put patch on top and surge on bottom. if you ever have battery issues you dont want them leaking on expensive equipment.

you can probably get away with L2 unmanaged then

[tribal ferry]

👍

[versed seal]

assuming you have some other device managing the routing

[brave bramble]

a router ofc

edgerouter x

[versed seal]

(i've also never had anything leak @tribal ferry )

everything on the same subnet @brave bramble

[brave bramble]

yep

[rocky badge]

Patch panel and UDMP top (rear if possible)
Heavy/Power/UPS bottom (0U PDU if possible)

[versed seal]

L2 / unmanaged is fine

[brave bramble]

okk thnx

[tribal ferry]

Yeah, I’m planning to go with that setup.

[rocky badge]

i like my networking in the back

if its within the rack, I wouldn't go through a patch panel

only if it goes outside the rack

[versed seal]

i've always punched/patched incoming cabling but each their own

[rocky badge]

Servers/appliances within the same rack fore me always plug into the TOR

[tribal ferry]

Obviously, I’m not going to patch things within the rack. I have quite a few cables going out of the rack, though.

[rocky badge]

Yea

[peak cloak]

@brave bramble depends what features you want

if vlans, you need managed

[thorny vector]

How I feel about vlan

https://tenor.com/view/kill-burn-jaime-lannister-game-of-thrones-gif-5918536

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin mikrotik has supply issues

Seems that the new hAP ac3 won't be available until march 2021

first batch is already sold out

I got in touch with a supplier that buys products from mtik

[nimble sable]

does patch panel actually make a big difference? i've been thinking baout this and can't really think of a reason to do it in a home setting

[nimble sable]

oooh ooh double cgnat ftw! 🤢

[dusty osprey]

my isp

[unborn sluice]

your isp

[dusty osprey]

Your IP

[dusty osprey]

google just went down

this is amazing

how liek HOW

[tame carbon]

youtube went down for me too

[dusty osprey]

yep.

it did go down properly

https://www.google.com/appsstatus#hl=en&v=status

took everything down with it

[pearl patio]

in italy it went down around 12.50

[little schooner]

It took down my Google voice too

[dusty osprey]

it just went down when one of the phones told 503 sevrer error

[little schooner]

Now the kids can't learn at school too

[pearl patio]

it's been up for almost 30min now

[peak cloak]

shows just how much the internet relies on one company

[dusty osprey]

wow ;-;

i never in my life taught i'd see google down but

[little schooner]

I want to see the post-analysis

[dusty osprey]

i want to see WHAT THE hell happened

[peak cloak]

yeah

what went wrong

[dusty osprey]

so i think

some attack happened

[peak cloak]

oh yeah, that

that probobly has something to do with it

[dusty osprey]

yea i am also kinda a bit confused for the exact rsn

they took down almost every service with it

gcp, gmail and such

[rocky badge]

VLANs 👌

[north atlas]

Soo, I’m looking for a powerline set.
I straight up just don’t know enough about this stuff to be able to know what I really need. I don’t have time to do a lot of research anymore, since I’m busy 24/7. Could anyone help me with finding a set of powerline things for my needs? That would be awesome!
The main adapter I guess you could call it, needs to also have an ethernet out port, because it also needs to give our Acces Point upstairs internet. Then I just need 1 other adapter for in my room. This one needs an ethernet out port as well as wifi, so that the wifi in my room is better than before. Our internet is rated at 300Mbps I think, but I wanna be able to upgrade our internet later on.

Thanks in advance!

[unborn sluice]

Honestly, having a service down for a few minutes isn't bad

and it might actually help

[unborn sluice]

powerline adapter (imo) a niche

really can't run a wire?

[north atlas]

I could, but it looks like shit

[unborn sluice]

Do you want looks sht but performs good

Or looks good but performs sht

[north atlas]

It'll perform better than wifi, wouldn't it

[peak cloak]

powerline? depends

my friend is on powerline and his speeds are only 30mbps

wifi gets 200

with an actual cable you are guaranteed gigabit within 100 meters

[north atlas]

Hmmm

[lean pebble]

You mean can't find answers to their homework in Google

My google and youtube worked all day

[peak cloak]

1st period got canceled today

because of the issues

[dusty osprey]

[little schooner]

@lean pebble where was Google when I was growing up?

They do have it so much easier

My Google search skills are alright. They could be better

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo ISP hosted CentOS mirrors 👌

Speedy https://blob.rocks/HrGZ9SzRvT.png

https://blob.rocks/xDz7XUyupU.png 👌 👌

[little schooner]

Blazing fast

[rocky badge]

And CentOS uses it as the main package mirror as well

Lol

https://blob.rocks/Q5YjnuTzh2.png

[little schooner]

@rocky badge what search terms did you use to find that

[rocky badge]

?

[dusty osprey]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

router

[little schooner]

@rocky badge the isp server hosting that stuff

[rocky badge]

Yes

[thick minnow]

i wanna add ethernet jacks in my walls but the drywall is already placed.

[waxen scroll]

So add them

[thick minnow]

but how

i was thinking to use a powerline adapter, place it inside the wall, and then connect it to a ethernet jack

[waxen scroll]

Use a drywall saw, make an opening, install a single gang "old work" plate, fish wires in the walls to the attic or basement

[sturdy mantle]

Quick question.... On a scale of 1 to 10 how stupid is it to host pi hole a vps?

[little schooner]

@waxen scroll I started doing that yesterday but I cut the hole too big!!

[sturdy mantle]

:O

[waxen scroll]

I don't think pihole brings any value to buy a server or pi for it

[little schooner]

It's patched up now but I don't want to make that mistake again

[sturdy mantle]

I already have a droplet

Its running some other stuff too

[little schooner]

The opposite side where I need to fish is not drywall. It's wood with concrete

So I can't just saw it out on that side

No, I think it's cement not concrete

Yeah that sounds about right

[lean pebble]

At the beach 🏖️ caching some 🌞

[tribal ferry]

What UniFi equipment would be best to use as a 10Gbps Cat 6a spine switch?

[thick minnow]

Hey does anyone know how to get the Nextcloud server snap accessible outside of my lan? I’m having a bitch of a time with it and various search engines and documentation hasn’t really helped

If you can help, feel free to ping me. I’m not sure what information you’d need, but I can offer it! 🙂

[tepid trail]

What was the name of the speed testing tool over LAN? Iptest?

aah... got it.. iperf was it...

[mossy badge]

Hey, wonder if this is possible: I have my main PC connected to my router via ethernet (using a powerline) and WiFi, powerline is very crappy and TBH for me WiFi is far better, what I need to do is keep both interfaces connected (I need ethernet for WoL) but prioritize WiFi over the other interface for internet access.

[peak cloak]

yeah of course

you will just have 2 interfaces

idk how to do it in windows

[mossy badge]

Does changing the interface metric do something? It seems that it can accomplish what I´m trying to do

[tepid trail]

Hmm... iperf from my windows computer as server connected to gigabit switch and client macbook pro via wifi 5ghz. about 300Mbit (~35-38MB/s)
Transfer an iso-file about 3Gb via samba on same config.. 80-90MB/s

2.4 meter from router/AP

Ill guess i need to tweak my iperf options/commands

[waxen saddle]

Changing the interface metric might help. Out of the box, Windows preferes wired over wireless, but I don' t know how it prefers.

[tepid trail]

maybe there are any other tools to try? ive tried iperf and nuttcp

when i used iperf client side with 10 streams to send with the bandwith increased to about 700Mbit in total

so i guess that is the maxiumun to expect.

[tiny temple]

can anyone help me login into my modem settings? it says my access is denied

[primal ice]

reset it to manufacturer defaults.

[gentle axle]

anyone know how i can get good ping without ethrnet for free

my routers in the other side of the house

[peak cloak]

you can't

run ethernet

technically you could use a laser beam

[gentle axle]

lmfao

[half holly]

isn't that fibre optic?

oops sry for ping

[dusty osprey]

yea but there is loss when u use laser thru air obviously

the fiber cables are fully closed so they are reliable as long as they aren't destroyed

[lean pebble]

Someone using pfsense or know how to use it?

[cedar igloo]

I am using it in my home lab so know some of the basics

but Lawrence Systems has quite a few useful Youtube videos about installing and configuring it

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/T6Im6ss.png

so nice working with people who actually document complicated functions

[ancient stream]

doesn't look like a very complicated function, but it's a nice docstring, for sure.

[tame carbon]

@ancient stream how to develop software: make something 100% mission critical, then make others maintain it

xD

[royal bane]

What can be the cause of my internet cutting off for like 1 sec sometimes?

[peak cloak]

router or ISP

or network card

[tame carbon]

@royal bane line faults

could be an issue anywhere along the route to the host

[thick minnow]

i have appeared

[tame carbon]

suh

@thick minnow samba is commonly used to provide windows fileshares

https://www.samba.org/

[thick minnow]

ok. i download it?

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow what operating system do you have on the machine?

[thick minnow]

windows 10

[tame carbon]

samba is ment for linux

oof

[thick minnow]

i mean that pc i have is crusty anyways

what type of linux

[tame carbon]

samba is available on almost all distros

[thick minnow]

which is the lightest

[tame carbon]

You could use ubuntu, and use a guide

[thick minnow]

ok

[tame carbon]

linux is quite lightweight, if you install it on a machine without a desktop environment

you interact with the server using commandline

[thick minnow]

mk

[tame carbon]

I think ubuntu server without any running programs uses ~60MB ram

[thick minnow]

the one i have has 8gigs

so i think it'll be fine

[tame carbon]

have you ever used linux before?

[keen hamlet]

[thick minnow]

nope

[tame carbon]

Time to learn

[thick minnow]

indeed

[keen hamlet]

I may switch to Linux then

[thick minnow]

i was always a windows person lol

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow don't be afraid of the complexity, it all seems very complicated at first

once you get the basics down, learning and understanding how it works is not that hard

[thick minnow]

does it need any specific specifications

to download

[tame carbon]

a toaster can run linux

[thick minnow]

oh

[tame carbon]

runs on arm, x86, whatever CPU you can think of

Its universal

[thick minnow]

amd athlon II?

[keen hamlet]

yup

[tame carbon]

Yeah

[thick minnow]

mk