networking

[strange silo]

lame

think this just turned in to a weekend job

[spiral anchor]

Hi, I'm looking to replace my free router from my ISP and I'm currently looking at the TP-LINK AX20 vs the D-LINK DIR-X1860. Which one should I go? or are there any other options? My house has 3 floors and if the router is able to cover all of them, it would be great. If not, I might be able to use the current router as a repeater

[tame carbon]

consumer routers are bunk

[spiral anchor]

if so, do you have any suggestions?

[tame carbon]

https://mikrotik.com/products/group/wireless-for-home-and-office

[unborn sluice]

ah yes the mikrotik sales

[tame carbon]

@unborn sluice besides mtik

there isn't really any other company that delivers that kind of featureset for that price

unify is overpriced

[spiral anchor]

nah i dont think i can find one in my country

[tame carbon]

mtik is sold worldwide

you just have to find a supplier

[spiral anchor]

i see

[unborn sluice]

yea, maybe a few kilos is enough

[spiral anchor]

do they offer wifi as well?

[unborn sluice]

[tame carbon]

@spiral anchor generally what you'd do with mikrotik is buy 1 router, and then cover the rest of the house with access points

[unborn sluice]

[tame carbon]

the router controls the access points remotely

[spiral anchor]

@spiral anchor generally what you'd do with mikrotik is buy 1 router, and then cover the rest of the house with access points
@tame carbon so kinda like a mesh?

[unborn sluice]

no

[tame carbon]

eh.. no

[unborn sluice]

do they offer wifi as well?
Interesting, wifi

[spiral anchor]

im not quite sure what each type is

[tame carbon]

https://wiki.mikrotik.com/images/0/0a/CAPsMAN_VLANs_local.png

Mikrotik has its own thing called 'CAPsMAN'

CAP = Controlled Access Point

[spiral anchor]

sheesh the price is a little too extreme for me D:

[unborn sluice]

D:

[tame carbon]

@spiral anchor what kind of speed do you have?

[spiral anchor]

Hi, I'm looking to replace my free router from my ISP and I'm currently looking at the TP-LINK AX20 vs the D-LINK DIR-X1860. Which one should I go? or are there any other options? My house has 3 floors and if the router is able to cover all of them, it would be great. If not, I might be able to use the current router as a repeater
@spiral anchor these are my current set budget/price

[tame carbon]

How much budget have you got?

I'm not going to look up listing prices for those devices

[spiral anchor]

roughly $100 (converted)

[tame carbon]

oof

and you want to cover three floors?

[spiral anchor]

@spiral anchor what kind of speed do you have?
@tame carbon my current plan is about 500Mbps/500Mbps. Might expand to gigabit later

[tame carbon]

big oof

[spiral anchor]

and you want to cover three floors?
@tame carbon if possible, if it's impossible it's ok

[tame carbon]

< $100 500mbit

with wifi

yeah, not gonna happen

you're looking at around $150-250

@spiral anchor https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac3

If you can get this in your country, its a new model they recently released

stock is a bit scarce right now, so may be hard to get your hands on one

Its a blazing fast quadcore router

[spiral anchor]

I see

[tame carbon]

It has wifi onboard, and you can augment it with additional APs

[spiral anchor]

will normal repeaters work?

just want the coverage > speed

[tame carbon]

wifi repeaters are bad practice

[spiral anchor]

my pc is on the first floor connected via lan anyway

[tame carbon]

They interfere with one another and make your network unreliable

@spiral anchor first floor, groundfloor?

[spiral anchor]

just want the wifi to be somewhat usable on the third floor

@spiral anchor first floor, groundfloor?
@tame carbon yes

[tame carbon]

@spiral anchor do you know what dlan is ??

[spiral anchor]

don't think so, no

[tame carbon]

You can get adapters you plug into your power outlets

and it can use the house wiring to set up a connection between two locations

Tplink sells them too

[spiral anchor]

so they connect to each other wired?

[dusty osprey]

You can get adapters you plug into your power outlets
@tame carbon is't this powerline adapters

These are also not the best practice

They loose a lot of power over much cables

[tame carbon]

@dusty osprey they are more reliable than wireless repeating

[spiral anchor]

something like this?
https://www.tp-link.com/en/home-networking/range-extender/re650/

[dusty osprey]

Eh true

[tame carbon]

since they don't share the same medium

@spiral anchor https://www.tp-link.com/nl/home-networking/powerline/

[spiral anchor]

ah

[tame carbon]

@spiral anchor best solution is to just run a cable to the third floor and attach it to an AP

but this allows you to not have to run a cable

its not as fast, and has a little latency (1-3ms)

[spiral anchor]

@spiral anchor best solution is to just run a cable to the third floor and attach it to an AP
@tame carbon i wanted to do that but my parents said no

[dusty osprey]

i think its way more than 3ms crystal. This shit is slow

[spiral anchor]

huh

[tame carbon]

@dusty osprey I got one at home here for my parents' office & desk

only because they decided on the room, after renovation

rest of the house has outlets

[dusty osprey]

it is low latency? Nice.

Taught these had high latency

[tame carbon]

like 3ms

[spiral anchor]

the reason i was looking at the 2 said models is because they look quite promising to me I guess?

[tame carbon]

@dusty osprey ethernet has 0.1ms

[spiral anchor]

if I were to say, buy either of the 2 i posted, which one is more reliable? tplink or dlink?

also, what about mesh wifi?

[tame carbon]

@spiral anchor idk how your experiences have been with tplink, but I've had 3 of their routers in thepast

and they all died

[dusty osprey]

mesh wifi is also a bit unreliable i think

[spiral anchor]

i've had a bad experience with dlink sooo...

[tame carbon]

mesh wifi, especially on consumer routers are terrible

[dusty osprey]

I have had dlink routers tho they didn't die on me xD. But yeah seems like tplink is relibler

[tame carbon]

You don't need mesh, you just need more APs

and those APs should be fed by wire, not by air

[spiral anchor]

and those APs should be fed by wire, not by air
@tame carbon this is one of the problem

probably cant run wires

[tame carbon]

Like I said, powerline is one of the options you have

[spiral anchor]

I have had dlink routers tho they didn't die on me xD. But yeah seems like tplink is relibler
@dusty osprey this makes it really hard ahahahahah

Like I said, powerline is one of the options you have
@tame carbon how are they connected to each other?

i'm a bit confused

[dusty osprey]

I mean according to your experiences and crystals too dlink is trash sooo

They use some frequency on the live voltage line

I believe

[tame carbon]

@spiral anchor the house electrical system uses only 50 or 60Hz as frequency, but data uses a much higher frequency

so you can carry both power & data

[dusty osprey]

basically your baccfeeding data onto the power circuit

[spiral anchor]

so they technically connects "wirelessly" ?

[tame carbon]

@spiral anchor you plug one into the wall near your router

[dusty osprey]

not wirelessly tho it does use the wires itself

[tame carbon]

and the other upstairs

[spiral anchor]

not wirelessly tho it does use the wires itself
@dusty osprey but from the outlet?

[dusty osprey]

don't they both have to be on the same Phase also

[tame carbon]

@dusty osprey they have to be on same phase/circuit

wont work

[dusty osprey]

@dusty osprey but from the outlet?
@spiral anchor yes. The same outlet you have the thingitself plugged into

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/6ZaBNEM.png

[dusty osprey]

and they have to share rhe same phase also too

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/VQMKl1w.png

^ see those ports underneath?

[spiral anchor]

which i dont have to modify anything to my home electricity right

[dusty osprey]

Yes true

[tame carbon]

@spiral anchor they have a button to pair themselves

usually they work out of the box, you plug em in, either side of the house

[dusty osprey]

But you make sure the phase is same on the 3rd floor and the 1st fllor cuz if the phases for where the router near is is different it wont work

[spiral anchor]

But you make sure the phase is same on the 3rd floor and the 1st fllor cuz if the phases for where the router near is is different it wont work
@dusty osprey is there a way to check/figure it out before buying?

[tame carbon]

@spiral anchor open up the electrical distribution board xD

[dusty osprey]

Uhhhuhh thats a good question which, well your power panel where the breakers are may have it

Exactly

[tame carbon]

but I would advise against that lmao

[dusty osprey]

Open that board NOT OPEN it, just open and see for some papers maybe sticked that has the diagram

[tame carbon]

@spiral anchor buy a pair, and make use of the 14 day return policy (if you guys have that)

if they don't work, return them to the store

[spiral anchor]

@spiral anchor buy a pair, and make use of the 14 day return policy (if you guys have that)
@tame carbon i dont think we have that here lol

[tame carbon]

most houses in the USA have split phase power

so two circuits per house

[spiral anchor]

I live on the other side of the globe

xd

[tame carbon]

oh, I derived you being american from calling the groundfloor the 'first floor'

[spiral anchor]

my bad lol

i'm from Thailand lol

[tame carbon]

@spiral anchor what tplink calls 'mesh' isnt mesh

OneMesh™️

thats what they call it

its their own propietary crap

[spiral anchor]

i see

but the powerline system you mention is quite cheap?

i see it's not that pricey

but i dont have much options to choose from

[tame carbon]

They aren't too bad no

[spiral anchor]

seems like these are all we have lol

maybe the normal consumer routers are my last choice huh

[tame carbon]

Those tplink ones have a wifi antenna built in

I can't give you any advice on wifi from tplink, imo they are all trash

[spiral anchor]

yeah thats hard

[tame carbon]

https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2

[spiral anchor]

you've had a bad experience with tplink, i've had a bad experience with dlink

[tame carbon]

I got this one in the living room

only problem with the hAP ac2 is that it has poor coverage, which is what the hAP ac3 solves

it has internal antennas

[spiral anchor]

i dont think we have hAP models here

currently searching

cant find a trusted source/retailer

[tame carbon]

https://mikrotik.com/buy

They have listings of their suppliers

@spiral anchor the major benefit of using CAPsMAN is that you can easily add more access points to your network

just last week, I helped someone set up a hEX S with 3 access points

https://i.imgur.com/ax0lAaJ.png

https://i.imgur.com/1Rk3HRO.png

Those were the APs ^

[spiral anchor]

one question: what's the difference APs and repeaters?

[tame carbon]

repeaters receive and transmit an existing network

APs just send out a network

[spiral anchor]

I kinda get it(?)

[tame carbon]

repeaters are not used in any real wireless networks

they are just a bodged attempt at making wireless better for home users

with sub-optimal results

[spiral anchor]

Yeah I've used one and they suck

Oh yeah what about asus routers?

[tame carbon]

asus should be banned from selling routers

they build insecure pieces of shit

with management panels that don't work properly

and DHCP client with a mind of its own

oh

[spiral anchor]

Ok, that's a pass

[tame carbon]

and the #1 problem with all consumer routers

they don't get updates.

ever.

mikrotik gets monthly bugfixes & patches

https://i.imgur.com/G4jHloa.png

all the routers they sell run the same operating system

[spiral anchor]

I see

This is hard lol

[tame carbon]

@dusty osprey Cisco takes security very serious.

https://twitter.com/RedTeamPT/status/1110843396657238016

RedTeam Pentesting (@RedTeamPT)

@info_dox @TheHackerNews @bad_packets @hrbrmstr We were also quite surprised to find this /etc/nginx.conf in 1.4.2.20

Retweets

479

Likes

1163

Twitter · Mar 27, 2019, 9:57 AM

Look at the fix they did ^

Their VPN API was exploitable

and this was their fix

curl the mark of evil

[unborn sluice]

It's a good fix wdym

"Fixed" : You couldn't replicate the problem

[tame carbon]

-H "User-Agent: not-curl"

[unborn sluice]

That requires a new ticket

Security flaw for non-curl clients

[spiral anchor]

thanks anw

will have to decide on one ahahahaha

[tame carbon]

@spiral anchor the benefit with mikrotik is that the devices don't loose their value that quickly

and they are extensible, with CAPsMAN you can always expand your wireless coverage

you configure the network from 1 location

[dusty osprey]

@dusty osprey Cisco takes security very serious.
@tame carbon ofc why all entreprices use them xD

[tame carbon]

brilliant, no?

xD

[dusty osprey]

they have their OS too 😛

"Cisco iOS"

[tame carbon]

thats what this is from

pentesters did a binwalk

[dusty osprey]

not to be confused with apples ios xd

[tame carbon]

and found that they changed this

to fix a security hole

[dusty osprey]

oh :p

[tame carbon]

@dusty osprey their vpn API endpoint was vulnerable

and so they just banned curl from accessing it xD

[dusty osprey]

Wowww

[tame carbon]

Not sure if you noticed my sarcasm xD

[dusty osprey]

No i did it's embarrassing of cisco tho

[thick minnow]

how do you set your cable (or fiber) internet from your provider to my house 5km away?

cause for now i have wi-fi network

You should ask that to your isp.

ok

[peak cloak]

you could use fiber

or long distance radio

[thick minnow]

idk if my isp have a fiber

probably not

[peak cloak]

ik, but you could use fiber to run a cable 5km

Cable Provider -> Modem -> Media Converter -> Fiber -> Media Converter -> Router

[thick minnow]

ahh that way i get it

[tame carbon]

Point to point antennas

or dig a trench and run fiber

http://fs.com/

[astral yarrow]

Hello. I’m looking to extend the range of my wifi, from the router to my office. It is imposible to pass a cable, so ideally I’d like to get a wifi mesh or something similar (I’m a noob in networking). Changing the router is not an option, and I have a budget of 50-100USD. Anything you’d recomend?

[tame carbon]

nope

theres no solution to that problem for that budget and those constraints you submitted

and wifi extenders are not a solution in my opinion

[astral yarrow]

It’s about 10-15 feet and 2 walls in between (not think walls)

[tame carbon]

@astral yarrow what about ethernet over powerline?

[astral yarrow]

Tried that, it sucks

Actually, they’re 2 flats together, but the power is split, that’s why

[peak cloak]

a wifi extender would the absolute last thing I would do

[tame carbon]

@astral yarrow run a cable.

[astral yarrow]

Running a cable is not an option

https://www.pccomponentes.com/tenda-nova-mw6-sistema-wifi-mesh-dual-band-gigabit-pack-2-unidades

Could I use this?

[peak cloak]

I mean you could, I would never use that tho

[astral yarrow]

It’s basically for gaming and Netflix, I have a 600Mb conexión but I need nowhere near that speed

[lean pebble]

https://www.pccomponentes.com/tenda-nova-mw6-sistema-wifi-mesh-dual-band-gigabit-pack-2-unidades
@astral yarrow good product easy to use

[tame carbon]

lmfao you want to 'extend' a 600mbit connection through the air?

lol. good luck (not)

[lean pebble]

I have 40 and I get all 40 all over the house

With tenda mesh

[tame carbon]

40mbit is trash speed

my ethernet 10 years ago could do more

[lean pebble]

That's what I have like 12 years

Because those idiot dont want connect fiber to private houses

[astral yarrow]

Dude, it depends on what you want to do. I’d rather have a 40mbit stable connection than a 200 shitty one

[tame carbon]

@astral yarrow yeah but that implies that wireless extenders are stable

which they aren't.

[lean pebble]

I have 3 ISPs with fiber under my house and no one willing to connect me

[tame carbon]

@astral yarrow you're not the first person who comes in here with this question

I've seen over 20 people so far

[lean pebble]

If I dig a hole in my garden I can brake their fiber gg

[astral yarrow]

If I could hypothetically get a cable to my office, how could I expand my wifi (as well as using wired)

[tame carbon]

@astral yarrow add another access point

there's only so much speed in the air

by carrying it over a cable, you reduce the noise

[astral yarrow]

I’ll just buy an IPhone to get 5G

[lean pebble]

Lol

[tame carbon]

what

[astral yarrow]

joke

[tame carbon]

it better be

[lean pebble]

Waste of money to buy a phone only for 5G 😂

I hope that the cellular providers here will finish put their 4G on the near future

[astral yarrow]

I don’t even have 5G in my city, but I like the name. iPhone 12 mini pro max 5GX ultra flex

[lean pebble]

They started put 5G before 3G even finished

[tame carbon]

max ultra flex

what is this marketing, 🍎

[lean pebble]

Lol

You have mistaken with the apple kind

You should send golden apple

[astral yarrow]

And take a bite

[lean pebble]

Ya

[peak cloak]

My dad has a 5g phone from work, it's like ok 5g, but 4g would have worked fine as well

[tame carbon]

Apple forgot to sue the Unicode Consortium

[peak cloak]

nothing special

[tame carbon]

nobody allowed to use an apple logo

[astral yarrow]

I think it’s in the crafting table surrounded by gold blocks, my crafting skills are a lil rusty

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak netherlands has reduced frequency space for 4G, so we can deploy 5G

even though, 4G is still superior

[lean pebble]

4G is enough

5G is too much

I prefer cable 😆

[tame carbon]

They have phased out 3G

[peak cloak]

we have 5g here, but aren't there two types of 5g, the "normal" one and the super high freqency fast one

[tame carbon]

There's either 4G or EDGE here

[astral yarrow]

They’re deploying 5G to insert more chips through vaccines, no speed advantage over 4G

[lean pebble]

Haha here there are still 2G antennas

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble that's what EDGE uses

circuit switched

instead of packet switched

LTE is completely packet based

[astral yarrow]

They’re deploying 5G to insert more chips through vaccines, no speed advantage over 4G
@astral yarrow That was a joke, just in case

[lean pebble]

Man they need to finish the 4G first before they put 5G

[peak cloak]

sometimes I only get a 3g connection, but that's mainly in the forest or middle of nowhere

[tame carbon]

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/conspiracy-theorists-burn-5g-towers-claiming-link-virus-70258811

This is what has been happening in the netherlands ^

so far they have torched over 30 4G towers

thinking its 5G, causing corona

[astral yarrow]

In Spain were to lazy to do that XD

[tame carbon]

Siesta > Arson

[lean pebble]

In israel they are always behind the world in those networking stuff

[astral yarrow]

Careful with what u say about siesta

[lean pebble]

And all the other stuff

[astral yarrow]

Down here in Africa we do not comprehend technology

[tame carbon]

@astral yarrow we have people using leafblowers sunday afternoon

[lean pebble]

Siesta is good

[tame carbon]

@astral yarrow I was taught networking by a guy from Pretoria

He showed me the tradecraft

[astral yarrow]

Siesta is good
@lean pebble Ah yes, a person of culture, I see

[peak cloak]

@tame carbon I have one neighbor who always cuts his grass on Sunday, no other day

usually when we have guests over

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak go to your neighbor

[lean pebble]

@lean pebble Ah yes, a person of culture, I see
@astral yarrow Yap

[tame carbon]

offer him $2 for everytime he cuts his grass on saturday, instead of sunday

[astral yarrow]

offer him $2 for everytime he cuts his grass on saturday, instead of sunday
@tame carbon Or kill him with 5G, that ought to work

[tame carbon]

may take a while

its not even operational here xD

@astral yarrow back to the issue at hand

what about a cable

[astral yarrow]

I am in no rush, just in technical drawing class

[tame carbon]

@astral yarrow https://i.imgur.com/uWCRMPQ.png

this setup ^ was capable of full gigabit speeds

[astral yarrow]

The first one is a switch, and the other one an access point?

[tame carbon]

APs cost about $60 each

and the first one, is a router

and in this setup, it also fulfilled the role as 'controller'

controlling the wireless radios

So the router provisions the wireless networks, and uses the APs to transmit this network

This is what consumers call 'mesh'

but its just a wireless network with multiple antennas

[astral yarrow]

But I’d meet more than 1 AP

[tame carbon]

Yeah, this setup works with a single AP, or multiple

[astral yarrow]

Need*

[tame carbon]

@astral yarrow you can add a switch inbetween

and have up to 200 APs

or more

[astral yarrow]

How much is the AP plus the router

[tame carbon]

I forget what the limits are

router is $70 though there are other cheaper options

the APs are $60

Cheaper APs exist, but they won't benefit from the internet speed you have

[astral yarrow]

But I already have a router, can’t I use mine?

[tame carbon]

Because its not a mikrotik

though I guess, with the cAP ac

you could skip the router

and make one of the APs become the controller

It also has that capability

[astral yarrow]

Hmm

So I’d need one AP wired to the router

And the other in my office

[tame carbon]

@astral yarrow all of them are connected to the same network

either via a switch, or directly on the router

[astral yarrow]

Ok, thanks. I’ll check them out later. Thanks a lot for the recomendation and the lols

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/ipH52c2.png

@astral yarrow this is the hAP ac2 I have in my living room

the wireless it has, is remotely controlled

as seen by the red text

Two interfaces, one for 2.4GHz and one for 5GHz

All the mikrotik routers and access points support this stuff

thats why I tend to recommend users to get this

They have advanced features for a reasonable price

@peak cloak LTT actually uses mikrotik too

and linus' 10G home network is powered by a CCR

I couldn't get a clear image from his yt videos

so idk what model they have

[waxen scroll]

dat windows 95 GUI tho

[tame carbon]

@waxen scroll lol even better

on linux

https://i.imgur.com/qemHHgX.png

[waxen scroll]

:\

[tame carbon]

works out of the box on wine

I like the mtik gui

its simple, uncomplicated

all the data the terminal returns is in the same style, just not as nicely tabulated

https://i.imgur.com/GCkfwdx.png

[peak cloak]

but does it have dark mode

[tame carbon]

hehe

[dusty osprey]

works out of the box on wine
@tame carbon t-here isn't a Linux version of that

wow, wow wow wow

[tame carbon]

@dusty osprey nope

winbox is a win32 app

but it works flawlessly

[lean pebble]

I'm thinking of digging in my garden and connect all the 3 fibers here togther and connect myself to this fiber.

[hollow marlin]

Like the ISP fiber underground?

[peak cloak]

that won't work lol

[lean pebble]

Ya

Connect all of them together

[unborn sluice]

just erect multiple poles

[lean pebble]

Disconnect all the area from the fiber with this connection solution

[hollow marlin]

Hope you are ready for $10k+ fines if you dig up an ISPs fiber

[lean pebble]

I'm digging in my garden

They can't do anything about it

If I dig enough I'll see it

It's near my house

[peak cloak]

it probably is a crime

[lean pebble]

Nah it's a crime that they don't connect vilas

[hollow marlin]

In the US even if its on your property if you do not consult the ISP or digsafe and cut the fiber its 10s of thousands in fines and jail time due to E911 services affected

[lean pebble]

Private houses

[hollow marlin]

Doesn't matter

[lean pebble]

1 fiber is free on the floor at the parking lot here

The ISP rack doesn't care that this closest is open for like 12 years

They just closed it with a rock

Everytime I'm parking my car I see the nice blue fiber sits there

Disconnected

[peak cloak]

just because there is fiber there, doesn't mean it connected on the other end

[lean pebble]

I know it's not

Their technician told me

The one that actually came and tried to fix all the network problems

I encountered for 10 years

And the internet infrastructure doesn't want to fix

Those idiots always refreshed my router without notice and broke my internet until I moved to fortigate and disabled all of their ports

[peak cloak]

umm, if you own the router, they can't access it

[lean pebble]

But soon it'll be the same as in the US, one company that does all

[peak cloak]

there is more than one company here

[lean pebble]

umm, if you own the router, they can't access it
@peak cloak I'm talking about their systems not the workers

there is more than one company here
@peak cloak I'm talking about ISP and internet infrastructure

Here it's separated

You need to pay to 2 companies for internet

[peak cloak]

explain to me, how they can access the router through their system if you own it and it's not backdoored

[lean pebble]

Adsl from one company and pppoe from other company

explain to me, how they can access the router through their system if you own it and it's not backdoored
@peak cloak they can't.
But even to my modem that I got from them they can't access and reboot him from their end

"modem" their router

I had times that they still had access to it and was able to do factory reset to it remotely

So now it's stable I think

Until I download a file

[inner lake]

Okay so my internet is up I’m able to look at discord and see new messages pop up but I can’t say anything in the chat or search for anything

[lean pebble]

Why

[thorny vector]

Got my “payment” for an article about my homelab I wrote for a website. 2 4TB enterprise HDD’s 🤘

[primal ice]

wd golds?

[thorny vector]

Seagate Constellations

@primal ice

[waxen scroll]

@thorny vector make sure you report it on your taxes

we dont condone tax fraud here at LTT discord

[thorny vector]

Lol. I can write off part of my homelab because I use it for work tasks, and I’ve bought new hardware this year

[peak cloak]

Best affordable vps provider for a mc server. I need to set one up for my troop

Ovh? Linode? Digital ocean?

[unborn sluice]

I think @tame carbon , host theirs on ovh

but their server is kinda big

[peak cloak]

I heard bad things about ovh

I think I'm going for digitalocean

[unborn sluice]

yea for like a small group

linode/digital ocean should be fine

[peak cloak]

yeah, nothing big

tbh I could self host, but I kinda don't want to

[lean pebble]

Ya ovh is not so good

From my experience

@peak cloak you can use this one.
https://www.vultr.com/apps/minecraft

They're pretty good

Today I'm using hetzner as hosting great company but their servers only in germany and Finland

They have the most stable network and servers so far.
From what I encountered.

[steep vapor]

How long have you been running on Hetzner and how many servers are running on?(just curious)

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak Linode

@peak cloak https://i.imgur.com/njQsl5I.png

This is from an article from October 2020

Linode innovates more than DO

Though these VPSes are not ideal for minecraft

they lack clockspeed

[lean pebble]

How long have you been running on Hetzner and how many servers are running on?(just curious)
@steep vapor I'm using them now like 5 years.
And the company I used to work for have there more than 40 servers , vps and dedicated.

Though these VPSes are not ideal for minecraft
@tame carbon again you can use vultr

Good company

Oh you answered to present haha

[tame carbon]

users_converted_to_linux++

Mint & Cuda does not play ball

Ubuntu 20.04 LTS to the rescue, worked fine on the new RTX3080

[unborn sluice]

users_converted_to_linux++
interesting

[tame carbon]

@unborn sluice they needed all kinds of fancy stuff

like cuda, and cuDNN

main reason they needed linux was because the python library that they use is compiled for a system specifically

[lean pebble]

Ubuntu 20.04 LTS to the rescue, worked fine on the new RTX3080
@tame carbon you installed Ubuntu on GPU? 🤔

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble nvidia has propietary drivers

bit annoying to get those to properly install

[lean pebble]

Haha I have this problem on fedora

Always need to update via downloading and go to shell before the kde loads to update the driver

[tame carbon]

If you install it properly, it should just link the binary with dkms

and update along with the rest of the system

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Kernel_Module_Support

[lean pebble]

If you install it properly, it should just link the binary with dkms
@tame carbon their gpu driver does it automatically but after kernel update you must do it again

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble thats what DKMS is for

it recompiles part of the driver to link to the new kernel

[lean pebble]

Not working as it should be

[tame carbon]

Like I said, its not always easy to get it to play ball

But that's how its done properly

I got that working on my laptop as well

[lean pebble]

I don't mind to run it everytime

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/36gyTFT.png

older laptop, running older drivers

[strange silo]

@tame carbon I was talking to you about my hEX? Turns out my connection was never switched over to 1Gbps and was still set to 100Mbps lol

[tame carbon]

@strange silo remind me again

been a while

[strange silo]

pppoe thing

[tame carbon]

Right

oh the fortigate fw thingie

ye I remember now

[strange silo]

Like it didn't matter before since my firewall 100% even at 100mbps but the hex can do 1000

[tame carbon]

hEX has like 2gbit/s routing/bridging

with 25 fw rules

[strange silo]

Threw it in, speed test and uhhh

Called is lol

[tame carbon]

you using fast ethernet?

[strange silo]

Isp*

Nah they confirm it was never switched over lol

[tame carbon]

derp

@strange silo how did you configure it now?

just set accept rules for the fw to the fortigate?

[strange silo]

Oh its just major hacked together atm

hey quick setup pppoe client

Fortigatr wan dhcp

Double nat haha

[tame carbon]

:3

I mean, if the fortigate is your endpoint for the VPN

doesnt really matter what happens inbetween the mtik <--> fortigate

since your network is behind the fortigate appliance

[strange silo]

But the sessions through the fortigate are hardware offloading now

[tame carbon]

neat

@strange silo https://mikrotik.com/product/rb4011igs_rm

[strange silo]

So cpu is like 1-5% instead of 100

[tame carbon]

This router can do 2gbit/s IPsec

Thats the one I have here

beast router

https://i.imgur.com/VVNmBUD.png

[strange silo]

Nice

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/XZoDQNK.png

[strange silo]

I get my fortigate firewalls for free

[tame carbon]

https://i.mt.lv/cdn/rb_images/1639_l.jpg

Its tiny, passively cooled :)

[strange silo]

600C back when it was current was around 14k

[tame carbon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/776722183119699988/777646103775674368/IMG-20200922-WA0001.jpg

[strange silo]

D, E and F generations have replaced it so old

Need to redo my entire lab

[tame carbon]

The fiber on the left is from the ISP

I use a media converter right now, because I don't want to give up the single 10G port I have

since the fiber is only 1G

[strange silo]

Got 2 HPE 5900AF TOR switches I need to install

[tame carbon]

speedy switches

40G uplink

nice

new mikrotiks that came out do 40G too

https://mikrotik.com/product/crs326_24s_2q_rm

https://i.mt.lv/cdn/rb_images/1831_l.jpg

[strange silo]

Yea they are just out of work

[tame carbon]

~320gbit/s total switching capacity

[strange silo]

Saved 2 of them from ewaste

[tame carbon]

lol but that CRS ^

has only 500mbit/s routing/bridging

its a fast switch, routing is terrible on it

[strange silo]

Lol yea but isn't that the case for all their switches?

[tame carbon]

well

CRS305 has 4x 10G

and can do 1200mbit/s routing

https://i.mt.lv/cdn/rb_images/1659_l.jpg

I got one of these

they are cute & fast

and they get very hot

[strange silo]

Haha

[tame carbon]

there's even a warning label on the side

https://i.mt.lv/cdn/rb_images/1660_l.jpg

but

its got redundant power :D

12-57V

so its enterprise ready

[strange silo]

There is some similarly nice and small Huawei switches but a bit more feature rich

[tame carbon]

Huawei?

wat

I rather support a small European manufacturer than a company allegedly spying on people

same goes for Juniper and Cisco, its got NSA all over it

[strange silo]

Got a couple in at work for area that didn't have proper switch room and needed switches in with people's work area

Well we didn't get a choice

Lowest tender wins

Tada Huawei

🤣

Their equipment is actually top notch though, can't fault them on that

But it would have been cheaper to stay with HPE/Aruba

Things procurement/finance just don't understand

Like I'm actually super sad because we had the HPE wireless pre the Aruba buyout and in my last job we did a lot of Aruba installs

Huawei wireless solution is crap in comparison

[tame carbon]

brb

[strange silo]

And need twice the APs

[toxic citrus]

There is some similarly nice and small Huawei switches but a bit more feature rich
the huawei routers are aboslutely godawful, so im not sure how theyve made good switches lol

[quiet delta]

does anyone

know the best

mesh system for around 200aud

black friday around the corner so give or take like 30

pls @ me

[tame carbon]

why is every network noob so fascinated by mesh

consumer mesh wifi solutions are terrible

[primal ice]

ISP marketing gg

[tame carbon]

@quiet delta just get a decent router & wireless access points

mesh systems the way ISPs and consumer brands market them, is a lie

[quiet delta]

so i have a modem router combo

should i just use it as a modem

and buy a router

if so, what are good options

i know my modem/router supports bridging

[primal ice]

first look at the settings of it. is it a cable router? is it an adslv2 router? if its not then its probably just a dhcp router with wireless ap.

[quiet delta]

all i know is that

it is ADSL

wait

Technicolor TG800vac

Its a telstra modem

[primal ice]

how many devices are you trying to connect to it?

[little schooner]

@tame carbon my dad likes a mesh system only because he doesn't need to run new wires

[tame carbon]

Yes

but its a terrible solution

[little schooner]

Yes

[tame carbon]

You run electrical wires through your house

[little schooner]

But fortunately it's only support 2 devices

[tame carbon]

its 2020, why isnt data being treated the same way

[peak cloak]

because wifi

[little schooner]

Wifi is the new wire

[peak cloak]

some new builders don't bother to run ethernet because wifi exists

[tame carbon]

Bad

[little schooner]

If possible, my new home will have jacks all around the home

At least in spots where it makes sense

[tame carbon]

@quiet delta that technicolor had better support 'DMZ'

[peak cloak]

when we finish the basement, I will make sure the basement will have jacks everywhere

[quiet delta]

@quiet delta that technicolor had better support 'DMZ'
@tame carbon wdym

also i cant

[peak cloak]

also it will act as the office

[quiet delta]

wire much around my house

[tame carbon]

@quiet delta if it does, you can plug your own router into it, and forward all traffic

[little schooner]

At my mom's house, I will attempt to install new jacks where existing coax cabling is running now

[tame carbon]

So it becomes a pure modem

[quiet delta]

yes thats wat i intend to do

at this stage

[little schooner]

I haven't bought the materials yet

[tame carbon]

time for shilling

https://mikrotik.com/

[little schooner]

@tame carbon I was on the fence between mikrotik and edgerouter x

My dad needed a new router because his modem did not support Googles new QUIC protocol

Can you believe that?

[tame carbon]

isnt that a transport layer protocol?

Most home routers only do TCP/UDP

[little schooner]

I guess

Yeah so the modem basically refused to load anything from videos to websites that used QUIC

It was stupid

[tame carbon]

wut

why

QUIC uses UDP

[little schooner]

His surfboard modem wasn't handling it correctly

Sb6700 ac

[tame carbon]

Well

officially

QUIC is still a draft spec

[little schooner]

Yeah and he didn't tell me for months that this was happening

I only found out because my sister was trying to do Google classroom school

She couldn't access anything there or YouTube

And thanks to Wireshark....

I determined the issue to be QUIC

So for now I put a new laptop there acting as pfsense

Works perfectly

[tame carbon]

If you want to do filter actions on QUIC with mikrotik

you have to use mangle

/ip firewall mangle
add action=mark-connection chain=prerouting connection-state=new new-connection-mark=QUIC passthrough=yes port=80,443 protocol=udp comment=QUIC
add action=mark-packet chain=prerouting connection-mark=QUIC new-packet-mark=QUIC passthrough=no

[little schooner]

Hmm that's useful

[tame carbon]

its not a protocol supported by default

[little schooner]

I see

[tame carbon]

by default it should just work

since its UDP

[little schooner]

@waxen scroll I bet your happy I used Wireshark to solve the network problem in less than 6 minutes

The packets never lie

[tame carbon]

but UDP on port 80 and 443, is a 'clue' that its QUIC

[little schooner]

@tame carbon hmm I didn't check the ports but I believe that is right

I glanced over them

[waxen scroll]

@rich bobcat i found a random PVC in my houses basement. I went to the attic and was like.... YAAAAS

[tame carbon]

@waxen scroll empty?

[waxen scroll]

yep

[tame carbon]

Nice.

stuff a fiber down it

(in)finite bandwidth through a tube

[little schooner]

Yeah give it a job to do

[waxen scroll]

this was 7 years ago. the tube now has 5 cat6 and two thermostat wires

[tame carbon]

@little schooner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP/3

^ discord fail

[peak cloak]

huh, embed works for me

[unborn sluice]

No it's not a fail

We need the definition of 3

[waxen scroll]

its a fail for me

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/fIPBQPC.png

[peak cloak]

oh, lol I didn't notice the description

[unborn sluice]

I should've combine my messages next time

[waxen scroll]

@little schooner your coworkers must feel inferior

[tame carbon]

ARGH.

argh.

fuck

why.

HTTP "Accept-Languages"

is so annoying

ISO language codes are not the same

as the framework I am using

"en" == "en-US"
"nl" != "nl-NL" but just "nl"

[waxen scroll]

@little schooner you're so far ahead of typical entry level people. no wonder they CC manager

[tame carbon]

webdevelopment throws a wrench in my plans everytime

[little schooner]

Lol

I guess

[tame carbon]

const getLanguageFromHeaders = (acceptLanguages: string) => { }

[little schooner]

My manager said she wants to keep me for next year with a new contract

[tame carbon]

I guess I have to now

[little schooner]

So my position is safe

I was concerned if it wasn't going to last going into next year

Because of the covid stuff.

[tame carbon]

Best way to guarantee your job at a company

build software with poor documentation

[unborn sluice]

That's called douche

[lean pebble]

build software with poor documentation
@tame carbon 🤣

Readme file with 1 sentence "keep me at work"

[waxen saddle]

I was going over changes in the iOS Ubiquiti app this morning and noticed my wife’s phone had gigs of “QUIC” protocol usage. Makes sense if the YouTube app is using it.

I enjoyed reading the QUIC convo here.

[little schooner]

QUIC caused my sister to get marked absent in class

its QUIC to stir trouble in old modems like my dads lol

between mikrotik and edgerouter x, the x was in stock while the other one wasn't going to come until next month

im fine with either.

[peak cloak]

with the x, remember to turn on offloading. Idk why they don't just enable it by default

[little schooner]

noted.

[peak cloak]

originally qos didn't work with offload, but I'm pretty sure it works now. Without offload you can't get gigabit

[tame carbon]

mikrotik ftw

[delicate kettle]

I'm surprised there's no unraid channel for as much as linus likes it.

[peak cloak]

that's #networking

although everyone knows unraid file system sucks for parity

zfs ftw

[topaz delta]

i have a question

i have 500MB weird connection but i only get 100MB for some reason and I'm on a cat 5 cable that runs at most 30 feet in my attic

[delicate kettle]

How's ZFS with triple failure?

[peak cloak]

depends on how you set it up

@topaz delta is the cable running next to any electricty?

[topaz delta]

i dont think so

[peak cloak]

one problem with zfs is that it's expensive upfront in drive costs

[delicate kettle]

cat 5 or 5e?

[topaz delta]

5e

[peak cloak]

oh the 100MB is suspisous

[topaz delta]

i pay for 500 and when i plug strait into the router i get 500

[peak cloak]

what's in between the router and you?

[topaz delta]

and i go through a 10GB switch

[peak cloak]

model?

10GB? you sure about that

[topaz delta]

yes

its like the smaller version thats in the ltt server room

[peak cloak]

show a pic

[topaz delta]

i dont have one on hand

[peak cloak]

what's the model?

[topaz delta]

im at school rn i dont know

[peak cloak]

also is the cable certified or did someone make it themselves (crimped themselves)

oh, then @ me when you get back, I can't help without you not being physically there

[topaz delta]

i got 150 feet of cat 5e and crimped it myself

[peak cloak]

did you test it

you probobly missed a pair or something, because 100 BASE-T only needs 2 good pairs (4 wires)

1000Base-T needs all the wires

[topaz delta]

ill look into it over the weekend

[peak cloak]

get yourself a simple tester

that's what I have

[topaz delta]

ok

i cant really do anything till the weekend because im in school rn

[delicate kettle]

I'm currently running unraid on a 8x8tb array with dual parity. Nothing on there is unreplaceable (everything important is backed up to a couple clouds) and it's easy enough to manage

[peak cloak]

unraid uses disks themselves for parity?

[delicate kettle]

yes

so 48TB usable

nice thing in my mind is for triple failure the rest of the disks are still readable

[peak cloak]

ah, zfs uses parts of disks I think

it's distributed

wait, yours would only be able to do 2 parity

if your 2 parity drives fail

[delicate kettle]

everything else is still readable

since the other disks are just plain xfs

[peak cloak]

the problem though is that those 2 drives have increased wear and tear?

[delicate kettle]

yeah, probably

[peak cloak]

yeah ZFS strips the parity across the drives

ZFS can also detect data corruption

idk if unraid can do that, but traditional RAID can't

[delicate kettle]

it can by comparing & and || parity

the biggest factor to me was the web gui though, tbh

[peak cloak]

ZFS isn't for noobs though, you need to do some reading beforehand

freenas uses zfs

well truenas now

[delicate kettle]

I've been thinking about adding a hp prodesk 400 as a separate plex transcoder, but i'm not happy about the lack of cheap rack-mountable QSV options - I would rather put it on a rack since everything else i have is on a rack

other option is upgrading my server to a 9th gen intel - but I'd need to replace the MB, CPU and ram, again not sure it's worth it just for quick sync video. Might just keep suffering my CPU spikes for transcoding.

just sucks if I want to use the server for something else at the time (like kubernetes deploy tests)

[misty terrace]

i'm deploying my new storage server, i need suggestion for the os to use. i don't really need zfs or other software raid solutions since i already have a dedicated raid6 sas controller

[peak cloak]

I mean ZFS > RAID

[delicate kettle]

Is there a reason to use something other than ubuntu/centos/ whatever then?

it would mostly depend on what you are wanting to do with it

[peak cloak]

freenas has a gui

[misty terrace]

mostly pure storage, i may think about using it for containers later on, but not totally sure about it yet

[delicate kettle]

freenas would be easy in that case

[misty terrace]

also, i saw there's also truenas now, is there any real difference from regular old freenas?

[delicate kettle]

but doesn't support docker natively

If you were wanting docker-first server, you'd probably want something linux based (like coreos, centos, or ubuntu). Frenas is BSD iirc

[primal ice]

no difference between freenas and truenas they just put it together.

fedora and use samba for storage. :p

[delicate kettle]

TrueNAS SCALE is a port of freenas to debian for container support

but it's still alpha: https://www.truenas.com/truenas-scale/

[misty terrace]

i'd rather not play with non-stable releases, i would be running backups on that thing

[delicate kettle]

so the main question would be what's more important - webgui or containers?

[misty terrace]

i'm ok with cli setups, containers would be a nice touch but an immediate need

[delicate kettle]

freenas would give you the first, coreos would give you the second. Unraid would give you both but i wouldn't really recommend for you unless you wanted to use their parity tools. Freenas supports jails and most popular software though, so the fact it doesn't do docker natively might be moot depending on what you are running

[misty terrace]

i'll give freenas a try, thanks

[primal ice]

https://www.truenas.com/

[misty terrace]

ye, the freenas download page already lists truenas core as the latest version

[split gate]

Hey I've got a super dumb question. I just got fiber internet in my apartment but the router wall connection is a lot further away from my pc than my cable one. If I get a wifi extender with a Lan port, does that actually make a difference in increasing speeds when connected?

[misty terrace]

also, system requirements list 8gb of ram as an absolute minimum, will this be a problem, since i only have 8gb on this machine?

[peak cloak]

@split gate nope

[primal ice]

shouldn't be

[peak cloak]

still going over wifi

[delicate kettle]

if there's any way a hard line is possible, i'd recommend it, esp. for gaming

a lot of times you can pop it under the baseboard

[split gate]

i dont think i can do that with the materials this apartment is made from. the good news is my upload is like 10x faster on wifi than i was wired on cable so im dropping 0 frames doing a stream test

[peak cloak]

hmm, that cable is probobly not 3 paired then

hmm, I have this weird issue again with my father's work laptop that can only connect temporarily to wifi and then gets disconnected

I mean, it doesn't disconnect, just can't reach the gateway

it's over wifi, but all other wifi devices except his phone work just fine

mac address conflict?

[primal ice]

mhm shouldn't be unless you cloned it sometime.

you could try giving it a static route. but I am thinking some kind of signal interference.

[delicate kettle]

could be a driver issue - is it a hp?

[peak cloak]

nah thinkpad

it's a work laptop so I can't do much

just want to find the root of the issue

my mom had a kinda similar problem, but that was driver issues where it actually disconnected from wifi

here windows says there is wifi (internet)

but you can't ping 1.1.1.1

[delicate kettle]

yeah, iv'e seen that one a bunch - where the driver crashes every so often and disconnects

[peak cloak]

maybe the vpn?

[delicate kettle]

possibly? does it behave wired?

[peak cloak]

idk

it worked fine in the morning

I'll make a seperate vlan with a 192.168.x.x range and make a seperate wifi for that and see if it helps

[lean pebble]

Try use static IP to test if it still happen

I had the same issue on my kali laptop

It happens on every network , with every WiFi?

[peak cloak]

nope

only on his side

[lean pebble]

Only office ?

[peak cloak]

work from home, so I think it's the vpn

[lean pebble]

Oh ok

I don't think it's vlan issue

[peak cloak]

it's not, but I can create another vlan with a different subnet to test if it's an local - vpn ip conflict

[lean pebble]

Check the IP at home and the VPN IP

[peak cloak]

can't check rn, but last time it was a 192.168.x.x network

[lean pebble]

Home network or vpn or both?

[peak cloak]

home is 10.0.20.x, work was 192.168.x.x

[lean pebble]

Ok

After how much time it get disconnected

Maybe timeout of vpn

[peak cloak]

like 5 min, it doesn't get disconnected per say, just I can't ping anything

[lean pebble]

Unreachable?

Or timeout

[peak cloak]

unreachable

[lean pebble]

But you see him as connected?

Right

?

[peak cloak]

wdym, yeah windows says it's connected to the internet

[lean pebble]

Ok

Not pc problem

What kind of vpn ?

Fortigate vpn ? Or something else

Come from the program / office firewall

[peak cloak]

something cisco

[lean pebble]

Maybe the program get stuck

Do you know what VPN protocol ?

[peak cloak]

cisco anyconnect

[lean pebble]

This is the protocol?

🤔

[peak cloak]

that's the name

idk the protocol

[lean pebble]

Ya

[primal ice]

its you pi hole

[peak cloak]

you think so?

I disabled it

[lean pebble]

I need to know the protocol, the problem comes from your anyconnect

[peak cloak]

Instead, Cisco's premier client VPN solution, AnyConnect, uses SSL

[lean pebble]

The internet at the office working when it happen right ?

Ssl vpn

Ok

[primal ice]

you will have to set him up like a seperate vlan with out the proxies. cause that is basically what anyconnect is trying to do - create a tunnel from your network to his work network.

[lean pebble]

If you know all the details user pass and ip you can try connect with different program

Like fortivpn program

[peak cloak]

@primal ice I don't have any proxies though, just pihole as dns

it's not forced dns either

[lean pebble]

Try use other program

[peak cloak]

The internet at the office working when it happen right ? I don't understand the question

Can't install anything

[lean pebble]

The internet at the office still works when you father loss his access to the internet

?

[peak cloak]

you mean at home?

[lean pebble]

Both sides

[peak cloak]

their office is far away, yeah everyone else at work can connect. No one else at home has no internet

[lean pebble]

ok

all use anyconnect with windows?

[peak cloak]

yep

[lean pebble]

Try other client and try to connect.

and check windows firewall

he have firewall at home?

[peak cloak]

the thing is it worked for half a year

[lean pebble]

Did he did windows updates?

[peak cloak]

no firewall going out to the internet, just the standard deny all in

idk, probobly

[lean pebble]

maybe one of the updates

[peak cloak]

doubt it

[lean pebble]

or the program got updated and now its broken

Did you try to use older version of anyconnect

?

[peak cloak]

the vpn works when using his phone hotspot

it's not the software

[lean pebble]

ok

Probably windows doing something

windows 10 right?

what antivirus?

[peak cloak]

anything where I should look in eventlog?

yep

idk

[lean pebble]

I know I got alot of problems because windows defender cloud protection

I have lost pakcets like crazy

[peak cloak]

but works on the phone hotspot

and sometimes it also works normally

like this whole week was without issues

except today

[lean pebble]

check updates for windows

maybe his windows got updated in background

you can cehck eventlog

Event viewer

[peak cloak]

but where?

[lean pebble]

search in start Event viewer

taking alot of time loads my logs haha

haha I have so much errors on skyapp

because I disabled all windows store so no updates

@peak cloak Event viewer then Applications and Services Logs/Microsoft/Windows/NetworkProfile
then you'll log there doiuble click

[peak cloak]

alright I'll check when he's free

[lean pebble]

kk

But you need to know the currect time it happen

@peak cloak Application and Service Logs and below that you will find an option "Cisco Anyconnect Secure Mobility Client"

I just found this I think it'll be better for you to check

[peak cloak]

alright thanks

[lean pebble]

np

https://community.cisco.com/t5/vpn/anyconnect-vpn-session-disconnect-and-reconnect/td-p/2474657

[lean pebble]

@lean pebble thats what DKMS is for
@tame carbon well it wasn't install haha

[pseudo terrace]

anyone use f5 vpn big-ip edge client

mine is stuck on initializing

[waxen scroll]

[fossil stirrup]

What is a better alternative to FTP

[peak cloak]

scp

[fossil stirrup]

Do you know of any software that will let you stream videos and download them, i am using FTP for downloading and PLEX for streaming but if theres something out there that will do both that will be great.

i just learned FTP aint safe so i am looking to switch to something else

[tame carbon]

@fossil stirrup FTPS (with SSL)

SFTP (Secure Shell FTP) is also encrypted

[fossil stirrup]

i can stream with that also if its a video file?

[tame carbon]

@fossil stirrup are you on a local network?

because for file sharing within a local network, SMB is easier

[fossil stirrup]

i am looking for something friends can use too over the internet

[tame carbon]

Set up a VPN

[fossil stirrup]

that kinda aint a option, the people that want to have access to the files dont know how to use any of that

i like FTP cause i can just send them a FTP:// url and can get the files super easy

[primal ice]

and so can anyone that stumbles upon your ftp. heh

[tame carbon]

@fossil stirrup You're looking for FTPS then

Its FTP with SSL Encryption

its widely supported

[fossil stirrup]

im not to conserned who can see the files, as long as they cant edit them in ay way

[tame carbon]

FTPS encrypts passwords and data that is transmitted

its secure

Its same technology that HTTPS uses

[primal ice]

^^ just have to give them a user name and password.

[fossil stirrup]

but if the files is a mp3 or mp4 can they just stream it instead of downloading it with FPTS

[tame carbon]

Its a file transfer protocol

so they download individual files, it doesn't stream in the way you are thinking

if you truely want to stream large files, like pause and continue

you'll be looking at protocols like SMB

windows network shares use SMB

I personally do not bother with FTP(S)

I use SFTP

[fossil stirrup]

can they access files from a browser via SMB like FTP

[tame carbon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_File_Transfer_Protocol

@fossil stirrup no SMB is mapped as a network drive

[peak cloak]

smb over the net?

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak would require VPN

[primal ice]

oh the tunnels