networking

[peak cloak]

@gray ingot I think I know what you are talking about, i've seen them

[tame carbon]

there's really fancy termination tools

so you dont fiddle with getting the wires straight

@peak cloak I just spent an entire afternoon practicing this

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/6d/0a/4c/6d0a4cb85e866ba9c4186a18cab154de.jpg

[peak cloak]

https://www.amazon.com/LINKUP-Modular-Connector-Shielded-Gold-Plated/dp/B07BN3N9ZK

something like this

[tame carbon]

those are for shielded cat6a or cat7

yes

they have the metal flange at the back

that touches the shielding, and you can crimp around the cable to secure it

[peak cloak]

well yeah they are shielded, I'm talking more about the "sleds"

[tame carbon]

those arent sleds

those are cable crimps

strain relief

[peak cloak]

these

[tame carbon]

oooooh

so they slide through

yeah, those are sexy af

[gray ingot]

Yea something like that

[tame carbon]

@gray ingot for fiber, https://fs.com/

the place to be

if you need some pointers on what to get for fiber links

there's people here who have plenty of experience to get you going

[gray ingot]

Might hit this back up when we get there. Thanks for the info guys!

My boss is really great at networking but this new building is throwing us for a loop 🤣🤣

It's got gremlins I swear.

[tame carbon]

@gray ingot we renovated this place when we moved in, so I got the chance to run ethernet everywhere

and the attic & my office have a 10G link

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310468657777999874/725362847411863612/20200624_151216.jpg

Server underneath, networking stack above

10gbit capable NAS :)

[gray ingot]

I pretty much ran everything here but we can't trust the cables in the data center because of the botched connectors

[tame carbon]

fiber debugging is easy

its either light, or no light

no light sucks

[tame carbon]

I've seen much worse

[gray ingot]

We have someone doing the patch bay for us now so that's only half done.

[tame carbon]

whats that red phone for?

calling putin?

[stone kite]

Or china

[waxen scroll]

@tame carbon the secret to straight wires is using the right scissors

[dusky wigeon]

Our server room is a mess man

[nova igloo]

Our server room is a mess man
@dusky wigeon It's fine if it works XD

[tame carbon]

clean server rooms help when you need to debug an issue

esp if you have to guarantee high uptimes

[spiral drift]

Hey I'm looking for some help/advice upgrading my home network to a mesh system, is this the right channel?

just read the pin, going straight for question: I currently have a big house that doesn't allow for good wifi coverage, I've worked around this by having two networks, but the primary router is kicking the bucket so I'm looking to upgrade to something cohesive

Current network is as follows:

Modem connects to a wired router which then connects to the AP in the kitchen (what's been the primary) as well as other devices on the first floor (console/TV). The way the ethernet is laid out means that the ethernet to the second and third floors can't be routed through the primary AP in the kitchen

The switch upstairs in my room also connects to a couple consoles as well as my PC. I've been having problems getting steam link and other local streaming to work properly, I think because there's some subnet conflicts

[peak cloak]

can you run wires? Mesh wouldn't help THAT much. As for the 2nd floor AP, is that an actual AP or just another router?

[spiral drift]

Actual AP, the 2nd floor device is delivering wifi to my parent's room

[tame carbon]

@spiral drift run them all on the same subnet

only enable dhcp on your primary gateway

[spiral drift]

That would be the basement router in the diagram, correct?

[tame carbon]

what range does your basement router use?

[spiral drift]

That's how I had it set up when it was working

[tame carbon]

like, what addresses have you got configured

[spiral drift]

The basement router has no wifi, it's strictly a wired router

oh um...

[tame carbon]

networking diagrams usually include IP addreses of network devices

[spiral drift]

I think the basement is 192.168.1.1, kitchen is 192.168.1.2, and 2nd floor is 192.168.1.3

my bad

I'll redo it

[peak cloak]

run it all on the same subnet

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak I said that already

<3

[peak cloak]

yeah ik

[tame carbon]

but he is

[peak cloak]

unless you are using VLANS, you wouldn't want multiple subnets location specific for a small network like a house

[tame carbon]

yeah but he's got static routing

and layer 2 switching works fine

[spiral drift]

Currently I can't get the kitchen AP to play nice for more than 20 minutes at a time, after that devices will connect to the AP but not to the internet

even though the 2nd floor AP is working fine

[tame carbon]

@spiral drift how are the APs connected?

[spiral drift]

ethernet

[tame carbon]

all of them?

[spiral drift]

yep

the lines in my crappy diagram are wires

[tame carbon]

have you looked at the system log on those APs that have any issues?

I really think you have a dhcp issue here

[spiral drift]

That would make sense for sure

[tame carbon]

@spiral drift make sure you properly configure your network devices like APs and routers with static IPs (or static dhcp mac binding)

[spiral drift]

Unfortunately whatever I'm doing wrong means that I can't access the configuration page without doing a hard reset of the AP

[tame carbon]

Yeah, you'll have to wipe it

but configuring it is like 1minute work

you just disable bunch of stuff

and then set it to static ip

do you have a laptop ?

I usually just unplug them, reset, and connect to it with lan on a laptop

[spiral drift]

I've messed around with the router a lot and the farthest I've got was getting it to work for about 20 minutes

[tame carbon]

then look up default password with your phone

@spiral drift what brand is it ?

[spiral drift]

ASUS

[tame carbon]

what model?

[spiral drift]

gimme a sec

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak asus needs to rethink their life

like, everyone here with networking issues

like, I've had issues too

it doesnt properly propegate DNS settings supplied by DHCP

[spiral drift]

AC66U

[peak cloak]

and what's the AP model?

[tame carbon]

@spiral drift can you send me a screenshot of the UI

xD I think I had that exact one

its absolute garbage

[spiral drift]

it's served well so far but I think it's definitely time to replace it

[tame carbon]

how large is the kitchen?

[spiral drift]

the 2nd floor AP is an old lynksis something running dd-wrt

pretty big, it's a big house with a lot of stone and brick

[tame carbon]

oof

in that case you need many small access points

[spiral drift]

that was my stated intention.

[tame carbon]

instead of one big fat antenna

[spiral drift]

that is why I am here for advice on mesh networking

[peak cloak]

the thing is, can you run wires to each room?

mesh is ehhh

[spiral drift]

the rooms are already wired

yes

[tame carbon]

yeah, mesh is not going to make your internet more stable, but that's not the issue

I think he just means a big wireless network

[peak cloak]

yeah

ok

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak lol CAPs

@spiral drift https://mikrotik.com/product/RBcAPL-2nD-307

[spiral drift]

yeah what I need is coverage for this ridiculously large house

[peak cloak]

@tame carbon only N though?

[tame carbon]

those are 100mbit/s max

yeah

if you got big internet

scroll scroll

[spiral drift]

It looks like those only have one ethernet port though

[tame carbon]

https://mikrotik.com/product/cap_ac

I forgot that that was the cheap one

This is the one I ment to link ^

[peak cloak]

@spiral drift yeah, they are only AP's

[spiral drift]

I try to have as much stuff on a wired connection as possible

[peak cloak]

so only ethernet in, they have no switch chips

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak not true

cAP ac

has switching chip

https://i.imgur.com/tHMJvKS.png

[spiral drift]

wait shit does AP refer to ONLY wireless? There are so many overlapping terms

[tame carbon]

and its capable of full gigabit duplex

2gbit/s

[peak cloak]

@tame carbon oh

[tame carbon]

wireless interfaces are handled by the CPU

over pci bus I think

AP is "Access Point"

@spiral drift routers route traffic between different subnets

[peak cloak]

the CAP Lite doesn't have a switch chip

[tame carbon]

your basement router routes everything from and to your local network

[spiral drift]

I thought access point usually referred to the bundled router/switch/AP combo

[tame carbon]

all the communication with the APs is just switching

@spiral drift yeah consumer networking ecosystem is terrible

[peak cloak]

I have one of these in my house https://www.tp-link.com/us/business-networking/omada-sdn-access-point/eap225/

small wooden house, so I only need one

maybe will add a second one in the basement once it's finished

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/JgdooMF.png

I got 4 mikrotiks in my house

[peak cloak]

generic home router has a router/switch/AP, I have everything seperate

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/623265423533801483/770431306970038302/20201026_193753.jpg

[tame carbon]

you need more servers

[peak cloak]

I have an optiplex there now

k3s is being a pain, I can' seem to get the agent worker to connect to the master node

[tame carbon]

@spiral drift those mikrotiks are very good routers, they have a lot of features and can do basically anything you want to do on a network

and they get regular software updates, even on their oldest models

the nice thing about those APs, is that you can use one router to be the controller of your network, and you can set up one network with multiple radios (APs)

Unify can do this too, but its a bit more expensive

[peak cloak]

TP-Link Omada can do it too, just need a spare server or buy their dedicated controller

[spiral drift]

having just a little access point standalone puck would be cool, but like I said I try to have as many things on a wired connection as possible so I think each node is going to need to be a switch too

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak I used to swear by tplink

until I had 3 routers fail on me in a row, 3 years in a row

[spiral drift]

or I'll have to get separate switches for each room to route off of

[tame carbon]

either software issues

or hardware problems

or it not turning on

[peak cloak]

fyi, switches don't route

[spiral drift]

switches serve as splitters basically, right?

[tame carbon]

@spiral drift think of your network as like a big street map

and you send packets of data with an address

when you want to talk to the internet, you just send a packet to connect, and the switches use special protocol to route the packet out the right port

but thats not routing

its packet switching

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/Packet_Switching.gif

@spiral drift packets take shortest route usually

and network loops are bad, never loop a network

always branch

[spiral drift]

that makes sense, pathfinding algorithms hate loops

[tame carbon]

@spiral drift the MAC addresses is what is used by your switches

that table just matches the IP to your MAC

and each switch knows what MAC is currently connected on what port

switches dont care about the IP addresses

[spiral drift]

so switches don't really do any "thinking" in the same way a router or modem does

like arguably no set of automated processes think but switches seem more on the single diode end of the spectrum than like machine learned bots

[tame carbon]

networking architectures are very abstract

[spiral drift]

My functional understanding of a switch has been that it serves to allow multiple devices to connect through one actual connection, the tradeoff with a router being that it's very limited in the number of devices it can handle

[tame carbon]

@spiral drift they have special communication protocols, that dont need IP addresses, to talk to one another

[spiral drift]

so it's sort of bypassing some of the higher level stuff in favor of more direct communication?

[tame carbon]

@spiral drift they aren't little bots :)

[peak cloak]

a true router doesn't have a switch chip, so it can't actually switch within a subnet, at least within my understanding

[tame carbon]

this is something they came up with in 1980

https://i.imgur.com/1AJEVMw.png

This was to standardize the way we connect our computers on a network

me personally, I think this was one of humanities greatest archievements

[spiral drift]

I agree

I just wish I was smart enough to really understand it

[tame carbon]

@spiral drift think of these networking protocols as layers stacked ontop of eachother

[spiral drift]

it's like matrixes, I know how powerful and useful they are but I can't seem to wrap my tiny neurons around it

[tame carbon]

each layer serves a specific task, to send data between two machines

Layer 1 is the wire

or the radiowaves from your antenna

[spiral drift]

I'm assuming that as you climb the scale, a larger portion of the data being transmitted becomes overhead/metadata

[tame carbon]

layer gives each antenna or device talking on the wire, an address

@spiral drift yeah

its wrapped

so each layer has some information, and everything at the end is the "payload"

thats the next layer

and layer 7 is what programs use

and layer 8 is usually to blame

[spiral drift]

I'm actually a little surprised there is a layer 8

[tame carbon]

[spiral drift]

usually computer things go from 0 to power-of-two minus one

[hollow garnet]

is there an actual term for a router that has a router/switch/AP combined compared to an actual router

[tame carbon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layer_8

[spiral drift]

oh

I see

[tame carbon]

[spiral drift]

monkey brains are layer 8

[tame carbon]

yup

[spiral drift]

That was a PEBKAC on my part

(problem exists between keyboard and chair)

[tame carbon]

@spiral drift so switches operate on layer 2, and introduce MAC addresses

serves as "physical" addresses

and then we also have logical addresses

things we can logically manipulate, or configure

like, Layer3. for IP addresses

so routers do routing between different IP networks

or, subnets

and then finally, layer 4 are the transport protcols

like UDP and TCP

HTTP for websites, uses TCP

voice calls and videostreams use UDP

in #networking we mostly care about these 4 https://i.imgur.com/ozqhrK6.png

[spiral drift]

I'm going to assume TCP was designed for discreet packets/files and UDP is more oriented towards streaming?

[tame carbon]

for TCP you have to establish a connection

UDP you can just send

TCP makes sure data doesnt get corrupted

and retransmitted if needed

voice calls glitch a little if udp packet is missing

[spiral drift]

which would introduce hitching in a voice or video call

[tame carbon]

but tcp would wait for retransmit

which isnt good for voice

[spiral drift]

got it

ok, so back to my house...

[tame carbon]

you need new gear

that asus thing is meh

[spiral drift]

yes I do

[tame carbon]

@spiral drift what's your budget

and how many rooms do you want to cover

what networking speed have you got

[spiral drift]

the ASUS primary router grew an extra antenna a couple months ago when the power button stopped working and I had to jam it on with a toothpick

budget is approx $300, I'm aiming to have 3 APs

[peak cloak]

I would get the hexS for a primary router

[tame carbon]

Those cAPs are around 60 bucks each

and hex S is like what, 60 ?

[peak cloak]

yep

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak you'd want PoE though.

[peak cloak]

true, so you need a switch

or a router with poe

[spiral drift]

the one in the kitchen covers most of the house, the dead zones are going to be covered by putting additional routers in my and my parent's room

The ethernet ports are all right near outlets, POE could be nice I guess but I definitely don't need it

And I want the APs to serve as switches too, I have wired devices downstream of each node

[tame carbon]

@spiral drift https://mikrotik.com/product/RB960PGS

@spiral drift this router, can provide power over the 4 LAN ports too, so you wont need a power adapter with your APs

[spiral drift]

That would go in the basement right off of the modem, correct?

[tame carbon]

yeah

and then it can provide data and power to the APs

thats PoE, Power over Ethernet

[spiral drift]

yeah like I said that would be nice but it's not a requirement

[tame carbon]

saves bunch of mess

in terms of cables

[spiral drift]

Not opposed at all

[tame carbon]

Suggested price $79.00

[spiral drift]

I'm a sucker for streamlining

[tame carbon]

and then you can get up to 4 APs and connect them

and configure them from that main router

and that router also has a port for futureproofing ;)

it has a 1,25gbit port for fiber modules

[spiral drift]

holyshit

that's obscene bandwidth

[tame carbon]

I got a bit beefier setup here

I got 10gbit

1.25 gbit is not a lot

copper is 1gbit

[spiral drift]

Oh I misread because of the comma

So in this setup the router would serve as the brains and controller for all connected APs, correct?

[tame carbon]

my little setup

those yellow cables are fiber

its small but fast

[spiral drift]

lightspeed bitches

[tame carbon]

fiber on the left is from the ISP

dont need a modem for fiber

https://i.imgur.com/XHx04K0.png

that 2^ port is where fiber plugs in

@spiral drift you can manage your APs remotely

https://i.imgur.com/8dO7i8n.png

like so

[spiral drift]

so if the APs are running off the same brain, do you know if they would mesh?

Mesh is not a huge deal, but it would be nice

[tame carbon]

client decides which AP it connects to

it usually picks the one with the strongest signal

but with CAPsMAN you can manage them as one network

CAP = Controlled Access Point

MAN = Manager

if you need help setting this up at some point, there's plenty of people here that can help

[spiral drift]

so... it can be configured to act like a mesh?

[tame carbon]

not sure what you mean by that

[peak cloak]

so it's one SSID?

[tame carbon]

@spiral drift they all have the same network name & password

[spiral drift]

I mean that from client perspective, you're connected to internet upstairs then you move into range of another AP you don't lose connection

[tame carbon]

yeah it hops to another AP

interrupts for maybe half a second

if not less

[spiral drift]

ok perfect

that's what I'm aiming for, I thought mesh was the term

[tame carbon]

@spiral drift I think the term you are looking for is roaming

[spiral drift]

yeah that would be super nice

[tame carbon]

There are special enterprise APs that can do seamless roaming

but those rely on 802.11r/k and mikrotik does not support that

[spiral drift]

I don't need anything heavy duty like that, I just want to make life a little simpler for my mom

[tame carbon]

yeah in this case CAPs are perfect for you

[spiral drift]

sweet

[tame carbon]

the nice thing is you can just manage everything from 1 device

[spiral drift]

That would be huge

[tame carbon]

@spiral drift once you add remote APs

they just show up in the interface list

https://i.imgur.com/VzyhjU8.png

cap1 and cap2

I only have one access point here, but thats for 2.4GHz and 5GHz

[spiral drift]

sweet

I'm redoing the existing network map to be more accurate and representative then I'm going to start parting out and building the setup

I don't spend a ton of time on this server, is there any way I can give you guys any credit @tame carbon and @peak cloak ?

You've both been hugely helpful

[tame carbon]

let me make you a map ;)

[spiral drift]

You have firmly earned my trust, go for it

[tame carbon]

@spiral drift diagramming skills are a bit rusty

https://i.imgur.com/62sVdL9.png

here you go

[spiral drift]

nice!

here's what I came up with

diagramming this out reminded me of another question I have

[tame carbon]

good

thats what we make diagrams for

so it raises questions

[spiral drift]

There is a connection from the 3rd floor to the 2nd floor,and a connection from the 2nd floor to the basement.
There is not a connection from the third floor to the basement, so traffic to the third floor must route through a node on the second floor

[tame carbon]

you mean to chain them?

[spiral drift]

yeah

that's a diagram of the existing setup not the desired one

[tame carbon]

Those cAP ac's I linked, have two ports

so you could hook up another one after the first one

[spiral drift]

ok cool

[tame carbon]

they have a switch internally

[spiral drift]

it's not going to get mad about daisiy chaining because it's all being run off the brains in the basement router, correct?

[tame carbon]

never daisy chain PoE

you'll need an adapter for the 1 AP that you chained

[spiral drift]

so the 3rd floor AP would need to be plugged in to either an outlet or a POE injector?

[tame carbon]

so the APs connected directly othe basement router dont need a power adapter

you could use an injector, but isnt the point to not needing power on the 2nd floor?

you could do the injector on the third floor

or not use PoE

and just power it directly

[spiral drift]

POE would be nice but I don't really care much about it TBH

[tame carbon]

if you don't care about PoE at all

https://mikrotik.com/product/hex_s

This is also a nice router ^

slightly more performance too

[spiral drift]

I'm not opposed to streamlining cable management at all but it's not a dealbreaker

[tame carbon]

Well, its up to you

[spiral drift]

hahaha, WTF is "The Dude server package"

does it come with a rug that really ties the network together? Maaaaaaan?

[tame carbon]

The Dude is a network analyzer

and the dude server pacakage is just the analyzer itself

that hEX S has a usb port for mass storage

so you can store metrics and data on that

[spiral drift]

I should toss a NAS in here as long as I'm redoing the network

[tame carbon]

yeah get a dedicated machine for that

@spiral drift thats why I went 10G here :)

the NAS is connected to the network at 10G, but individual clients are 1G

so multiple clients can hit the NAS at the same time

without it bottlenecking

[spiral drift]

like a full PC, not just an external drive?

[tame carbon]

its a mini ITX board with a Ryzen 2600 in a server case

xD

[spiral drift]

that's a little out of my budget at the moment but someday...

[tame carbon]

and bunch of harddrives

its budget server

but its fast :)

[spiral drift]

I aspire to a server rack and a bunch of homebrew hardware one of these days

[tame carbon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310468657777999874/725362847411863612/20200624_151216.jpg

[spiral drift]

I saw earlier

[tame carbon]

the PCIe card it has is a dual 10G card

[spiral drift]

I'm jelly of the big boys

[tame carbon]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/8185BuPjtOL._AC_SL1500_.jpg

those NICs are quite pricy

but the fiber optics themselves are dirt cheap

intel network card on an AMD system

[spiral drift]

now I gotta go see exactly how many ports are actually in use throughout the house

brb

[tame carbon]

🤣

[spiral drift]

Grew an extra antenna a couple weeks ago after the power button stopped working

In the interest of saving a few bucks, would it cause any problems to use a separate 5-port switch attached to the 3rd floor AP, and if so would it be better to put the switch upstream or downstream of the 3rd floor AP?

I'm going to try to get a device that can do both but I'm still curious

crap I might need to put the little switch in the basement

the basement router has 6 outgoing connections :/

[tame carbon]

@spiral drift yeah you can just use switches

[spiral drift]

ok, so a 5 port router and a 5 port switch in the basement, an AP with at least one outgoing ethernet port in the kitchen, an AP again with at least one ethernet port on the 2nd floor, and then preferably a single device AP/switch on the 3rd floor

If I do put a separate switch on the 3rd floor, does it matter if it's upstream or downstream of the AP?

I would think it doesn't matter because the router is in the basement but that's why I came to ask people who know things

@tame carbon

[tame carbon]

@spiral drift that main router actually has 6 ports in total

you can use the SFP port too

thats one on the left

[spiral drift]

oh I thought that was dedicated for fiber

[tame carbon]

@spiral drift nah you can plug all kinds of connections into that plug

its just different interface standard for high speed networking devices

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_form-factor_pluggable_transceiver

they go into that hole

https://i.imgur.com/hlMredj.png

that plug is on there, so no dust can get in the optics

this one does, 10Gbit and for 300 meters max

these cost like $18

[spiral drift]

can the router use both of those ports simultaneously? looks like they're both keyed for internet in

[tame carbon]

@spiral drift thats for the noobs

you can configure them however you like

doesnt mean it has to be port 1

you can just change that in the software

its just how its configured by default

[spiral drift]

like my mobo supports enhanced SATA and M.2 but I can't use both at the same time because they route through the same pcie lanes

[tame carbon]

but it can do anything

[spiral drift]

ok cool

[tame carbon]

http://demo.mt.lv/webfig/

tgata demo

[nova igloo]

night guys

🛌

[spiral drift]

I'll still need to put the existing switch down there

g'night, sleep well

wait I might not need to put the switch downstairs after all

one of the connections is temporary because my PC isn't in my room right now I forgot about that

so I can probably get away with just the 5 outgoing ports

[balmy mango]

hello anyone here that knows a thing about openvpn

i think i got everything set up but i cant connect

is there something i might be overlooking?

[spiral drift]

I have no expertise to offer

[peak cloak]

dumb question, but have you opened the port and port forwarded

[balmy mango]

i did port forward

[peak cloak]

on the server itself, is the port open

[balmy mango]

i think truenas does that for me?

when setting it up

is there a way to check

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8I-IiQYVas&t=291s

i followed this tuturial

[tribal ferry]

Anyone know of good access points besides Ubiquiti for a home?

Thinking of doing a proxmox pfsense router + firewall instead of a UDM pro.

[spiral drift]

I'm about to get a bunch of hardware from mikrotik on a recommendation from this channel

[peak cloak]

@tribal ferry mikrotik or tp-link business omada

[thorny vector]

Mikrotik is great value gear, it punches up hard on other enterprise brands

[tribal ferry]

They seem physically quite large

Do they require a controller?

[peak cloak]

mikrotik, I believe not, unless you are running multiple and want roaming

[tribal ferry]

Another thing.

In my planned setup, I'll have two UAP-AC-PRO's per floor since it's a 4k sq ft house.

I'll be setting these up on the same SSID, security, etc, and I know Ubiquiti AP's have auto-switching between multiple AP's.

I'd assume Microtik and tp-link do the same?

[spiral drift]

according to @tame carbon earlier the mikrotik ecosystem allows for that kind of setup

here is my current, semi-functional setup

[tribal ferry]

With some additional setup?

Or just by default?

[peak cloak]

Tp-Link Omada with a controller allows roaming

[tribal ferry]

Let me pull up my diagram.

One moment

[peak cloak]

@tribal ferry pretty sure you need to configure it

[tribal ferry]

how difficult is it to do that?

i'm quite technically sound with this sort of stuff

[spiral drift]

here is my proposed new setup:

[spiral drift]

@tribal ferry http://demo.mt.lv/webfig/

[peak cloak]

hmm, it's not the most noob friendly

[tribal ferry]

here is my current proposed setup

with ubiquiti

[spiral drift]

crystal posted that link for a demo of the mikrotik software

[tribal ferry]

ah ok

[spiral drift]

I haven't started playing with it much but it seems obscenely granular

[tribal ferry]

each ap has their own control panel?

is it unified into one that manages all?

[spiral drift]

that's what crystal was saying

[peak cloak]

@tribal ferry one of thier routers can be uses as a AP controller

[tribal ferry]

what do their routers use

pfsense?

[peak cloak]

routerOS

[tribal ferry]

proprietary to them?

[peak cloak]

well yeah,

ubiquity does that too

[spiral drift]

"client decides which AP it connects to
it usually picks the one with the strongest signal
but with CAPsMAN you can manage them as one network
CAP = Controlled Access Point
MAN = Manager
if you need help setting this up at some point, there's plenty of people here that can help"\

[tribal ferry]

didn't know if it was like pfsense and open source

and yeah ofc

also microtik seems extremely good value

24 port switch for $128?

https://www.amazon.com/Mikrotik-CSS326-24G-2S-RM-Gigabit-Ethernet/dp/B0723DT6MN

[spiral drift]

I am also stunned by the value

[tribal ferry]

Like woah

I am used to Ubiquiti pricing.

[spiral drift]

this is going to be a much cheaper project than expected

[peak cloak]

or this crazy beast of a router https://mikrotik.com/product/ccr2004_1g_12s_2xs

[tribal ferry]

seems like it's easier to just buy a router with them and their ap's than use my own pfsense

probably more reliable

[peak cloak]

I would buy thier's, pfsense really isn't guaranteed gigabit

[tribal ferry]

is http://demo.mt.lv/webfig/ up to date?

[peak cloak]

most likely

they also have a tool, winbox so you don't need to access thier webui

[tribal ferry]

what ap from them would be equivalent to a ap ac pro

for reference

i've briefly looked at microtik but i'm not well-versed in their products

[peak cloak]

probably this one https://mikrotik.com/product/cap_ac

[tribal ferry]

same price as ap ac lite

well close to it

lower

and this all ties into router os?

[spiral drift]

I messed up my proposal diagram, whoops

it seems so, I'm trying to confirm before spending money

[tribal ferry]

this seems extremely promising, this would definitely bring me under 1k total for the whole setup.

[spiral drift]

actual proposal

I'm going to try to simulate the proposed setup in the demo

will report back

[tribal ferry]

alright

and i'd assume the ap's would tie into that central routeros on the main router?

[peak cloak]

yeah

it's called CAPsMan

the AP's run router OS themselves I think

[tribal ferry]

are they able to all be managed from one place or is individual login to each device required is more what I'm asking

[peak cloak]

one place, the main router

or individually

[tribal ferry]

ah ok, good.

i'm really trying to get this all around ~$500, and I get around $800 now

issue is i have to get moca adapters for my house since we have essentially no ethernet except for a cable running to our 1st floor for a switch there

if the moca adapter's weren't an issue or if we could do only a single adapter per floor the price would be perfect with microtik

is there a specific ap that could possibly cover an entire floor?

[elfin socket]

@tame carbon Yeah. ever since Google announced the retirement of compressed photos, looks like I'm going to be building a lot more NAS.

[spiral drift]

from the documentation: "if the CAP is not on the same L2 segment as CAPsMAN, it must be provisioned with the CAPsMAN IP address, because IP multicast based discovery does not work over Layer3"

so if I'm understanding correctly, this is saying that I'll be able to connect the 3rd floor AP/switch, but I'll have to do a little more configuring because it's passing through the 2nd floor AP/node, yeah?

[peak cloak]

@elfin socket oof our pictures are there too

guess I need to convince parents to pay for cloud storage from another storage provider (not google)

they don't want to support google

[thorny vector]

Local storage is always the answer

[spiral drift]

don't blame them unfortunately 😦

[peak cloak]

nah, need cloud backup

[thorny vector]

Self hosted cloud

[spiral drift]

layer 2 is MAC and layer 3 is IP, correct?

[thorny vector]

Yes

[peak cloak]

offsite backup

[thorny vector]

A friend's self hosted cloud

or you hide a server in their attic

[peak cloak]

Bold of you to assume I have friends that have servers

lol

[thorny vector]

or you hide a server in their attic
@thorny vector

They don't need to know they do

[spiral drift]

from the mikrotik documentation: "if the CAP is not on the same L2 segment as CAPsMAN, it must be provisioned with the CAPsMAN IP address, because IP multicast based discovery does not work over Layer3"
so if I'm understanding correctly, this is saying that I'll be able to connect the 3rd floor AP/switch, but I'll have to do a little more configuring because it's passing through the 2nd floor AP/node, yeah?

[thorny vector]

Yes

[spiral drift]

I'm trying to be sure this is going to work before spending monies

[peak cloak]

@thorny vector are you sure, it'll all be on the same L2 network?

[thorny vector]

I said yes to the extra config

[peak cloak]

the CAP's are just doing switching

[spiral drift]

this is the proposed net map

[thorny vector]

If they're both in that same 192.168.1.0/24 lan, they'll auto-discover

[spiral drift]

ok cool

huh so fuck is allowed but not p 0 0 p

weird

the webfig demo seems to be down 😦

[peak cloak]

yeah ik, ltt moderation is so weird

[tame carbon]

@spiral drift that just means you can't do multicast over wireless with caps

[spiral drift]

googles multicast

[tame carbon]

multicast is for things like IPTV

[spiral drift]

closes tab

[tame carbon]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Multicast.svg/1280px-Multicast.svg.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Unicast.svg/1280px-Unicast.svg.png

https://i.imgur.com/W6ORVmW.png

[spiral drift]

does local network streaming e.g. steam link rely on multicast?

[tame carbon]

no

multicast is for IPTV

when multiple tv receivers are tuned to same channel

[thorny vector]

Multicast

[tame carbon]

data stream goes to both devices

reduces bandwidth

[spiral drift]

so for like a restaurant displaying the same menu on several screens or something

[tame carbon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Group_Management_Protocol

[spiral drift]

doesn't sound like I'll be missing anything without it

@tame carbon did you see the proposed map?

[tame carbon]

yuh

@spiral drift that hAP Lite TC is not so fast

its only 100M ethernet

and thats more a router tbf

[spiral drift]

I was thinking about getting the hap a2

[tame carbon]

https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2

This one yeah

[spiral drift]

I want to have at at least a built in switch upstairs

[tame carbon]

I got that one in the living room

coverage isnt great

[spiral drift]

because it branches off to consoles and shtuff

the AC2 coverage isn't great?

[tame carbon]

it has internal antenna

[spiral drift]

yeah I really want the 3 because of the external antennas but I don't feel like it's worth $100

[tame carbon]

https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/8-port-switch/tl-sg108/

Get one of these on third floor

and you can always have the AP on this

[spiral drift]

I was maybe going to use a 5 port switch I already have upstairs

[tame carbon]

make sure its gigabit :)

[spiral drift]

I thought the cap acs would be a bottleneck but those are gigabit, whoda thunk

[tame carbon]

yeah

[spiral drift]

oh the lite definitely would have been a bottleneck

[tame carbon]

just get a standalone switch and an AP

you don't need a router

its cheaper

https://mikrotik.com/product/RBmAPL-2nD#fndtn-gallery

[spiral drift]

the cAP ac is the same price as the hAP2

[tame carbon]

@spiral drift yeah but it has way better antennas

those cAP ac have directional antennas

https://i.mt.lv/cdn/rb_images/1161_l.jpg

these APs are cute

[spiral drift]

holy shit that's adorable

[tame carbon]

all of these devices btw

run the same operating system

RouterOS

[spiral drift]

only 2.4 ghz tho :/

yeah I was seeing that in the documentation, I'm looking forward to a unified interface

[tame carbon]

its a bit of a steep curve at first

because you kinda need a bit of networking knowhow

[spiral drift]

seems kinda like the arch of networking

[tame carbon]

cisco is much worse

[peak cloak]

but then you are glad because you can do almost everything

[spiral drift]

right

that's what put me off of a canned plug-and-play system like the google home, I wasn't sure I'd be able to get it to do what I want

[tame carbon]

@spiral drift that hEX S is nice, it has a encryption accelerator

so you can set up a VPN server with it quite easily

I use this on my phone and laptop, so I can access my LAN when I am not at home

[spiral drift]

THAT would be amazing

Once I get this working next project is to try and set up a secure WOL for my PC

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/G5Ju9aX.png

https://wiki.mikrotik.com/images/7/75/L2tp-rem-office.png

[spiral drift]

alright, so one hEX S, three cAP acs, and gigabit switches to expand ethernet

will it matter if the 3rd floor switch is upstream or downstream of the AP?

[tame carbon]

you mean chained?

nah, the two ports on the back of the cAP act like a switch

[spiral drift]

yeah chained

[tame carbon]

These are the test results

https://i.imgur.com/A9xr96m.png

they did on the cAP ac

Bridging, it does 2gbit/s

which is 2x 1G

pps = packets per second

[spiral drift]

ok so I should look up test data for the switch and put the bottleneck downstream

[tame carbon]

wat

that tplink gigabit switch is not a bottleneck

@spiral drift ultimately, 1gbit will be your bottleneck throughout the network

but thats fast enough for home networks

[spiral drift]

My understanding has been that for most home applications modern equipment is more than adequate

[tame carbon]

meh, 1gbit network is still kinda slow by comparison to enterprise stuff

they can go 100G xD

[spiral drift]

yeah I guess if I build a beefy NAS that might become a problem down the road

but I'm not trying to transfer big files around, mostly local streaming

[unborn sluice]

1g serves right for Nas, cause how much do you transfer everyday

[tame carbon]

steam streaming uses like 50-60mbit at most

[spiral drift]

I've never really had connection issues with steam link, just some latency but that's to be expected

[unborn sluice]

That's latency not speed

[spiral drift]

right

[unborn sluice]

Maybe not use 2.4ghz for remote play

[spiral drift]

that's what I'm saying, bandwidth has never been an isue

[tame carbon]

Pinging 1.1.1.1 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 1.1.1.1: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=59

[spiral drift]

I only steam link over a wired connection

[peak cloak]

@tame carbon flexing your fiber ISP I see

[elfin socket]

nah, need cloud backup
@peak cloak
Plex server. Centralize photos. Then use backblaze to duplicate.

[unborn sluice]

My setup ^

[tame carbon]

yawn

I might go to bed

@peak cloak suck it

[spiral drift]

jeebus

[peak cloak]

I honestly can't afford to manage a server, I'm not going to be in this house forever. Just want to setup something for parents. If it was my house then yeah probably. I'm only in high school.

[spiral drift]

so it doesn't matter which "side" of the 3rd floor AP the switch is on, correct?

[tame carbon]

@spiral drift all the ports on those mikrotiks are on the same internal switching chip

so you can just configure them to your liking

[unborn sluice]

I honestly can't afford to manage a server, I'm not going to be in this house forever. Just want to setup something for parents. If it was my house then yeah probably. I'm only in high school.
Couldn't agree more

We all come and go

We are gone in a blink of an eye

[tame carbon]

https://i.mt.lv/cdn/product_files/cAP_ac_190506.png

if you look at the block diagram

[spiral drift]

I meant putting it between 2nd floor and 3rd floor AP vs. putting it between 3rd floor AP and devices

[tame carbon]

the switch? oh yeah it can be anywhere

[spiral drift]

so like the branch would either be

"upstream" or "downstream" of 3rd floor AP

ok that's what I thought

[tame carbon]

upstream and downstream have different meanings

[spiral drift]

I thought those were called uplink and downlink

[tame carbon]

either

right

I'm going to bed

its 1am

[spiral drift]

thank you for all your help

sleep tight sweet prince

😗

[tame carbon]

o.o

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/networking_problems.png

f

[unborn sluice]

F

[stable ice]

Speedtest screenshots do not belong in this channel.

[spiral drift]

oh man really pissing off the bot today

sorry warship

[waxen scroll]

gets warned about no speed tests, posts one anyway ^

[spiral drift]

is there a way to reconfigure a router to act as just a switch?

[peak cloak]

depends

on the er-x for example it has a dedicated switch chip

[spiral drift]

I'm thinking about repurposing the basement router I'll be replacing

it would be nice to save some money on a dedicated switch by repurposing functional hardware

[peak cloak]

how many ports does it have on the back? Is it a generic home router?

welp, anyone else haveing issues with youtube?

[spiral drift]

yeah, the GUI and comments load but video is endlessly buffering

pretty sure it's got 9 ports total, it's just a generic TP link something or other

[peak cloak]

yeah, then maybe those are all switched. Does it have one dedicated internet port?

[spiral drift]

pretty sure, lemme check

[tribal ferry]

oh you're still here

been doing some research

do any of you think the cap ac is capable of covering an entire thousand square foot floor?

i'm trying to get my pricing down to $500 for this whole setup, i don't know if it's going to be possible lol

[peak cloak]

no clue tbh

[tribal ferry]

hm ok

[peak cloak]

never had any experience with it

[tribal ferry]

the thing that's screwing me is these moca adapter's

my house does not have ethernet wiring throughout

[willow hamlet]

Speedtest screenshots do not belong in this channel.
@stable ice why

[peak cloak]

oh, you are using moca, yeah those are expensive

[tribal ferry]

would you think it can penetrate floors?

[peak cloak]

I mean what are your floors made of? wood?

[tribal ferry]

the place where one of the moca's would be is directly below where the upstairs ap would be

yep

[spiral drift]

my basement router has 8 lan ports and 1 wan port

[willow hamlet]

why cant you post speed tests

[waxen scroll]

@willow hamlet low effort posting

some people like to brag about their 500mb and then log off

[tribal ferry]

let me give some more info

i'll write it out

[willow hamlet]

this is as dumb as the person who removed reactions from tech support channel

[peak cloak]

@spiral drift you could test it if it can work as a switch, just don't use the wan port as in and only use the other LAN ports. You won't get any advanced switch features as vlans but it should work as a dumb switch

[spiral drift]

that's totally fine

I'm planning for the hEX S to do all the "thinking"

just need more ports!

[tribal ferry]

so my plan is for two on each floor, if i can afford to do it.

i have ethernet running to my first floor tv underneath my heaters, so i'm planning on putting one ap behind my tv where a switch will be.

the other plan for the 1st floor is in the study directly below the networking equipment upstairs with moca. if a ap can penetrate the floors to below, then i wouldn't need one there

the plan for upstairs is one at the main networking area, and another in the master bedroom with moca

the proposed ap locations are in opposite corners of their respective floor

and here's a bad paint drawing of it

[spiral drift]

I don't think the cAP ac would, but maybe the ac3 that has external antennas?

[tribal ferry]

Yeah, that's $228.

[spiral drift]

disclaimer: I have never used either piece of equipment

[peak cloak]

I mean I have an EAP225 which doesn't have external antennas and it's able to cover my whole house

The house is 1,433 which wooden floors

I even have wifi in backyard right near the home

and wifi in the basement, a floor below

and the AP is mounted in the middle of the house in the stairwell

[tribal ferry]

TP-link, though.

I'd be mixing and matching my hardware

[peak cloak]

true, but that's what I have

[tribal ferry]

What do you use for routing?

[peak cloak]

ubiquity edgerouter

d-link switch

[tribal ferry]

so it's a bunch of different things

[peak cloak]

tplink omada AP

and a netgear switch upstairs

[tribal ferry]

only one ap for the whole house?

[peak cloak]

yep

maybe will add one in the basement once it's finished but for now it works just fine

[tribal ferry]

I could maybe try adding just one AP upstairs and see how it goes.

I'm not sure if it could penetrate the floors.

My house is not open concept either, it was built in 1980.

[waxen scroll]

youtube has been down 8min+ now

[tribal ferry]

the most concern is downstairs for me

[peak cloak]

neither is mine, it's a cape cod built in like the 1940s

[tribal ferry]

ah ok

the upper left should be able to take all the green

i'm just more worried about getting coverage in the red area

[peak cloak]

you want to place the ap in the corner?

the red dot?

[tribal ferry]

yep

the optimal config is this

but, expensive.

and i'm trying to get it close to $500 or under for the sake of my wallet.

[peak cloak]

can you place it in the center?

[tribal ferry]

I have a coax in my kitchen, but it's right on the counter.

Old owners used to have a TV there

My kitchen is being renovated soon, as well

I doubt we'll keep it

It's not exactly the most good looking port to keep.

[peak cloak]

hmm, what I did was run ethernet to the stairwell, because there was a phone line already running on the opposite side of the wall so I could fish the wire to the phone jack and then to the AP location

[tribal ferry]

never done any of that and i honestly do not trust myself

[peak cloak]

I mean it's really not that hard tbh

[tribal ferry]

There's nothing for me to pull really, I don't want to get rid of my coax.

nor pull out the wire, run fish cable, then run re-run coax, then run ethernet

having an electrician do it wouldn't save any money either

[waxen scroll]

electrician is the wrong trade

look for home theater installers

[tribal ferry]

handyman

idk

[thick minnow]

should I get a firewall for my 2 minecraft servers? I am worried about DDOS

[tribal ferry]

at the orange dot, i do have a ethernet cable coming out of the floor.

[peak cloak]

electrican stapled cat5 to the wall

[tribal ferry]

i have a switch and everything there

[waxen scroll]

ele will charge $600-1000/hr where as home theater can do it for way less

[peak cloak]

@thick minnow firewall won't help with ddos

it doesn work like this:

[tribal ferry]

but it's very close to the proposed ap and i don't think it would provide much coverage

[thick minnow]

so rip

[peak cloak]

here is a ddos packet, lets block it

[thick minnow]

sweating

[peak cloak]

no, ddos is a lot of requests to a server, you don't know which are legitimate or not

@thick minnow is it a public server?

[thick minnow]

yes its public, both the bedrock and java

[peak cloak]

so like you are advertising it?

[thick minnow]

no

not yet

[peak cloak]

where are running it?

at home?

[thick minnow]

yeah

wired

[tribal ferry]

i'll just butt into this for when you two are all good

[peak cloak]

well, for one I wouldn't run a public (as in advertising it around) minecraft server at home

[thick minnow]

2

[peak cloak]

for proper ddos protection you need to have the traffic go through a proper ddos protection service

[thick minnow]

eventally gonna get a DNS and that

but for now Big and Small Potatoes remain unprotected

[peak cloak]

plus if you ever get ddosed, unless you have more than one ip, your own internet connection may get dosed

[thick minnow]

Its literally the name for each of them

[peak cloak]

DNS doesn't prevent ddos

[thick minnow]

I found I have a static ip so uh oh

hasn't changed in 2 years even with intermediate power outages

[peak cloak]

you probably don't have a proper static ip, just a dhcp lease with a longer lease time probably

if you aren't paying for it, you don't have it

changing DNS can be a DDOS mitigation strategy, but if you just have one ip it's useless

[tribal ferry]

i can probably give some advice on this

[peak cloak]

@tribal ferry change your router, that mikrotik one is old

[tribal ferry]

which would you recommend?

i'd like it to be rackmounted

i have 1gbps cable

[peak cloak]

https://mikrotik.com/product/RB3011UiAS-RM

but it's more expensive

or you can get a non-rackmountable one

I am getting the HEX S

[tribal ferry]

$170, hm.

Yeah, I'm trying to futureproof.

[peak cloak]

because the one you choose has like 5 ports that are only 10/100

[tribal ferry]

I will be getting a rack soon ™️

yeah

probably why it's only $100

let me reexport that png with the pricing

I need to get this at least to the $500-$600 price range for this all.

[peak cloak]

wait, can't you get away with only 2 AP's

[tribal ferry]

I have a 4k square foot house, and it's not open concept as I said.

I really don't know if only two would work

Is the cAP ac leaning more towards being like an ap ac pro or a nanohd?

[peak cloak]

Apparently the ac pro has a max TX power of 22dBM while on the mtik it's a bit more complicated

also downdetector comments are cancerous: https://downdetector.com/status/youtube/

[tribal ferry]

I'd assume it would be good with handling speeds of 100-200 mbps?

[peak cloak]

oh yeah, for sure

[tribal ferry]

hm

it's just

i'll see if i can draw my floorplan

it's awful drawing but you get the gist

[peak cloak]

hmm yeah, maybe 4 may be needed. If only you could maybe place them more in the center, then you could get it down to like 2-3

[tribal ferry]

i mean, do you think upstairs could take one?

just the bottom right?

I can knock $100 off and get it to $654.26 if i can get away with just one upstairs.

[tribal ferry]

@peak cloak Don't know if you're still there but if you're available.

[potent seal]

An oldie but a goodie. Who needs IP anyway, overrated IMO 🤣

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATA_over_Ethernet

[tame carbon]

Speedtest screenshots do not belong in this channel.
@stable ice Your moderation is not welcome here.

We're doing just fine without yuo.

go back to #public-chat

Stop enforcing arbitrary rules that make no sense.

[thorny vector]

Speedtest measuring contests are silly

[tame carbon]

yes, but nobody is bothered by them generally

[thorny vector]

I imagine the rule was put into place because of people

That's my usual assumption when I see rules like that

[tame carbon]

Its an arbitrary rule that makes no sense

so I rebell.

@thorny vector in #public-chat people post their Cinebench crap

[thorny vector]

Again, I doubt its arbitratry but 🤷‍♂️

[tame carbon]

its same thing, just different kind of benchmark.

[thorny vector]

that's general though, not a specific channel

[tame carbon]

anywhere

speedtests are benchmarks if anything

[thorny vector]

More relevant are internal speedtests via iperf3

[tame carbon]

I don't see a difference tbf

they are both speedtests

[thorny vector]

Internet speed tests, especially ones run by ISP's and CDN's aren't the best demonstrators of true speed, especially since they can influence the results

[tame carbon]

-.-

I don't need a lecture on different kinds of network tests

idk why you arguing with me in the first place

I've never seen you in #networking

[thorny vector]

wut

I hang out here all the time

Regardless, I'm just pointing out the rule likely has a good reason for existing

[tame carbon]

Did you?

[thorny vector]

Reviewing the above transcripts, yes.

But you are right, at the end of the day, this is a silly discussion

[tame carbon]

I imagine the rule was put into place because of people
@thorny vector wat

lets ban any form of chat, because of people

/s

[unborn sluice]

what the

how did speedtest turn into an argument

[thorny vector]

Meh, who knows

Maybe I was channeling pheonix for a second 😄

[unborn sluice]

you can't channel someone who isn't present

[thorny vector]

But you know what I'm getting at.

[tame carbon]

Phoenix ditched this place

[thorny vector]

Really? What went down there?

[tame carbon]

He got upset with the level of stupidity in LTT

specifically in #tech-support

[thorny vector]

Eh, I get it. But tech literacy of the masses never gets unless people open up the gates (and occasionally drag people over the threshold)

[unborn sluice]

I mean yea, I want to lower the bar of entry.
But there are some people that just makes me sad

"bruh, have you even tried google"

[tame carbon]

I think Serpent was trying to get an ISO on their USB thumbdrive

for 3 days

and is still bothering people with their own incompetence

[thorny vector]

Some people need more help than others. Then there's the opposite side where I get to troubleshoot some really interesting problems

[tame carbon]

@thorny vector I gladly help those who listen, and ask relevant questions

[unborn sluice]

I'm okay with any problem really, but sometimes the people in tech support are entitled and lazy

[thorny vector]

I think I just have a lower bar from dealing with asvab waivers

[tame carbon]

@unborn sluice lol #public-chat was funny yesterday

bunch of apple fans, thinking that the M1 will be "revolutionary"

and they shut down any doubts that were raised with apple's claims

3.5x faster

[thorny vector]

lol, I can't wait to see the new apple "3 versions of a tablet" tank performance tests

[tame carbon]

I am pretty sure itll be a failure, esp for pro-sumers

[unborn sluice]

tbf m1 can be fast, but what they don't know is program compatibility

they expect things to just work

hope that m1 is fast enough to emualte x86/x64 suckers

[tame carbon]

Lot of special equipment relies on kernel drivers/extensions

those cannot be translated to arm

[thorny vector]

I'll be waiting for what nvidia is going to ARM. That stuff is exciting to watch

Especially since they bought up cumulus linux too

[tame carbon]

Unless the manufacturer recompiles the driver for arm

but we've seen how on windows, this is even hard from W7 -> W8 -> W10

[unborn sluice]

The thing that m1 can do is the 1st party apps and adobe suite

good thing dev utils are arm compatible

[tame carbon]

@unborn sluice rosetta2 was benchmarked on another chip

and it showed performance loss of upwards of 60%

[thorny vector]

Not even the full adobe suite yet though, right?

[unborn sluice]

Not even the full adobe suite yet though, right?
yea, I bet only the top apps

like photoshop etc

and it showed performance loss of upwards of 60%
@tame carbon lel, have fun on m1

[thorny vector]

lol, can you even imagine media encoder on arm?

[tame carbon]

why doesnt photoshop just release a linux version

so we can finally get on with our lives.

@thorny vector the m1 has transcode chips for those codecs

[unborn sluice]

even the rasp pi arm can encode/decode x256 if not mistake

[tame carbon]

Yeap

[thorny vector]

Oh really? Oh, I remember seeing that now. I was talking more along the lines of performance as well, though.

[tame carbon]

new pi 4 can do 4K 60fps h265 decode

or 30fps

[unborn sluice]

oh yea lel h256, where did the X come from

[tame carbon]

I forget

h264 is old

h265 is the new hotness

[unborn sluice]

hope these apple fans wouldn't miss intel quicksync

[thorny vector]

I want to know which apple engineer had fans hurt him as a child

[tame carbon]

@thorny vector https://i.imgur.com/axkd1BJ.png

@unborn sluice I have some odd issues with video decoding on my Ryzen

[unborn sluice]

i don't decode on my ryzen

[tame carbon]

When I play a game in fullscreen, and have a youtube video playing in other window

I get framerate issues

even though windows reports <20% CPU and GPU usage

I'm at a point, where I have tried finding the source of the issue

and I've started blaming windows scheduler

[unborn sluice]

wierd, I don't have that problem

[tame carbon]

oof

ok

#public-chat