#networking | Linus Tech Tips | Page 181

vapid dune Jan 14, 2020, 7:58 PM

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LTT likes unraid

jaunty sun Jan 14, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Yeah, and I've liked the look of it in their content. I just wasn't sure if that was overkill or not.

green compass Jan 14, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Do you plan to virtualize ?

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unRAID is meh, if it was free I would consider it

cursive valve Jan 14, 2020, 8:02 PM

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i like esxi

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its not super secure on older hardware however

green compass Jan 14, 2020, 8:03 PM

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I would look into Proxmox, its very powerful or ESXi with VMUG, that is a starship and last you have oVirt but you need 2-3 servers for that

jaunty sun Jan 14, 2020, 8:05 PM

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I'd like to parse out resources to different VMs, yeah. I mainly want to run a VPN but not over Plex so it can be port forwarded and use my full bandwidth. So only 2-3 VMs ideally, if I'm understanding the approach correctly. I'm very new to the concept, been on Windows most of my tech life.

green compass Jan 14, 2020, 8:05 PM

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Hmm do you run stuff like Sonarr, Radarr, qBitTorrent ?

jaunty sun Jan 14, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Yeah things along those lines. Deluge instead of qBitTorrent if it matters.

green compass Jan 14, 2020, 8:07 PM

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nah, all is preference tbh

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now

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do you have any data on your drives ?

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and what is your drive configuration

jaunty sun Jan 14, 2020, 8:11 PM

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I have data spread across a few drives, some internal some external. One NVMe OS drive separate from all other content. I basically grabbed what I could as I learned.

green compass Jan 14, 2020, 8:11 PM

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hmm that is gonna be a bit tricky

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what drives do you have ?

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you could use NTFS for storing in Linux but

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there is no redundancy which means if one drive is knocked out, data on that drive is out

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with something like RAID 1 / 5 / 6 you could handle drive loss

vapid dune Jan 14, 2020, 8:16 PM

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Overkill depends on what you want it for

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Here's a better question why do you think you need virtualization anyhow

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I just throw things on raspberry Pi and freenas server. And keep my desktop working as just a desktop

cursive valve Jan 14, 2020, 8:17 PM

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do raid 15 😛

green compass Jan 14, 2020, 8:17 PM

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is that even possible ?

vapid dune Jan 14, 2020, 8:17 PM

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I use mirrored vdev

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It's overkill lol

green compass Jan 14, 2020, 8:18 PM

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That is something I would consider in mission critical system /s

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fuckin finally, I got passthrough working on FreeNAS

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Q35 is a such nightmare for FreeNAS

jaunty sun Jan 14, 2020, 8:23 PM

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Well I want to run Plex on a system with enough resources to do some on the fly transcodes as there are a handful of remote users. So I was thinking I'd run a VM for Plex/Usenet and a VM with minimal resources for things to run behind a VPN. But if there's a smarter approach I'm up for it.

green compass Jan 14, 2020, 8:23 PM

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you could use container for VPN

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it saves you from virtualizing whole OS

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I would recommend Plex in VM in case you want to slap Quadro GPU into server and give it more transcoding power

jaunty sun Jan 14, 2020, 8:29 PM

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So a container for VPN/Deluge and VM for the rest, essentially?

green compass Jan 14, 2020, 8:30 PM

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actually create a VM and install Docker in it, run all of stuff in it; Plex, VPN, Deluge, its really neat

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first install Proxmox as hypervisor

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and then in that VM (any distro of choice) for Docker

jaunty sun Jan 14, 2020, 8:46 PM

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Gotcha. So traditionally I've used a VPN provider and their Windows application to activate/deactivate the VPN. Is it possible to run both Deluge and the VPN application inside of one container? I thought Docker was made for single app containers but that's just after cursory research.

paper rampart Jan 14, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Docker is just a way to run whole servers with low overhead. It's almost a mini hypervisor

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You can run as many docker containers as your host will allow

vapid dune Jan 14, 2020, 8:50 PM

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whole servers o.O

paper rampart Jan 14, 2020, 8:51 PM

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"whole"

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They are fully functioning OSs

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Just hella tiny footprint

jaunty sun Jan 14, 2020, 8:54 PM

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Okay, that makes sense. Seems like that's the way to go then, thanks! Gotta buy a new CPU/Mobo that will support virtualization first, but now I have a plan for how to set it up once bought. Then I'll have to get more drives so I can RAID them properly.

vapid dune Jan 14, 2020, 8:54 PM

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they're not fully functional but just think of it as just what ever service you intend on exposing

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but certainly if you were to open a shell to one of them you couldn't just expect normal things to necessarily exist

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Docker is kinda a headache imo

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I mean there's people who use lxc

paper rampart Jan 14, 2020, 8:59 PM

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They are full operating systems. Just paired down to not include the unneeded features.

vapid dune Jan 14, 2020, 9:11 PM

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I think more to the point you can't just compare a docker container vs a vm is my point

waxen scroll Jan 14, 2020, 9:42 PM

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its not full. a container doesnt include a kernel

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kernel kinda important in OS

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ltt

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also since when is server discussion allowed in my #networking

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@clear igloo heathens

clear igloo Jan 14, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Those demons!

waxen scroll Jan 14, 2020, 9:45 PM

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@clear igloo you know those network issues you have to packet capture and its not obvious?

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im having the plumber equalivant of that right now

clear igloo Jan 14, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Did you turn it off and on again?

waxen scroll Jan 14, 2020, 9:46 PM

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we've done so much stuff

little schooner Jan 14, 2020, 10:00 PM

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@waxen scroll I think we should have a #server channel

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because it doesn't really get noticed in general channel

waxen scroll Jan 14, 2020, 10:01 PM

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ive been saying that for a year now. mods ignore

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delete useless crypto channel, add server

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😄

somber ermine Jan 15, 2020, 2:46 PM

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Anyone in here Savy with Cisco vlan setup? I am working on setting up a guest vlan for my ubiquity aps but need to figure out how to link the ap that is on a certain vlan to a new vlan on my dhcp server without removing the existing vlan so that there are two ssids giving access to different vlans. I have been told ip helpers are what I need but I don’t exactly understand how I need those setup. I have about 15 switches on my network that have about 15 aps spread out. Do I need the ip helper on each one and how do I decide what address to give that ip helper, is that my dhcp servers address?

jaunty talon Jan 15, 2020, 2:46 PM

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Which device is router in your network?

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The one that does L3 in your network needs to do the ip helper/relay stuff, as it's the one that has connectivity to the both vlan's. Else a fast work around would be to add another network interface in your dhcp-server and have that on the guest vlan

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Then you wont need any ip helpers as the dhcp-server will have one leg in each network it supplies dhcp for

somber ermine Jan 15, 2020, 2:49 PM

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Ahh, so I have so many switches and didn’t set this up how can I figure out where the routing is taking place? Is it possible for that to be on my core switch? I have a virtual server running so I don’t think I can do that without another network card being added.

jaunty talon Jan 15, 2020, 2:49 PM

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The ip you specifiy when configuring ip helpers is the ip of the dhcp-server(s), basically the device that does ip helpers/relay is a proxy for dhcp

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The routing is where your gateway is, often a router or firewall

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If you have a virtual server it likely takes vlan's, you could reconfigure the hypervisor (virtual host) to take trunk and add both vlan's on the trunk

somber ermine Jan 15, 2020, 2:53 PM

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Right now my dhcp server gives addresses in multiple vlans depending on which switch they are located. I have ports on each switch dedicated to my wireless vlan which is giving out addresses in that wireless vlan. I just want to also give out up addresses to a separate ssid on those aps. So I created a new vlan and have it setup on dhcp server I just need to get that so it receives requests from that ssid. I think this is all going to be switch side routing. Would an ip helper be able to do that for me?

jaunty talon Jan 15, 2020, 2:59 PM

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If your dhcp-server already now gives out addresses on different vlan's i either has multiple network interfaces (physical or virtual) or you have ip helpers/relay configured somewhere in your network (likely same device which is gateway for all the VLAN's)

somber ermine Jan 15, 2020, 3:03 PM

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So I just need to add up helpers for the new vlan?

jaunty talon Jan 15, 2020, 3:03 PM

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indeed and configure a dhcp-pool in your dhcp-server

somber ermine Jan 15, 2020, 3:04 PM

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Ok are those helpers needed on each switch?

jaunty talon Jan 15, 2020, 3:04 PM

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nope

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only on the one that is routing (default gateway for all vlans)

somber ermine Jan 15, 2020, 3:05 PM

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Awesome I think I understand a lot more now. Thanks for your help.

jaunty talon Jan 15, 2020, 3:05 PM

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anytime!

somber ermine Jan 15, 2020, 3:05 PM

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I’ll let you know how it works l.

wheat inlet Jan 15, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Anyone have a recommended wifi 6 card?

little schooner Jan 15, 2020, 8:29 PM

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Yes an Intel ax wireless card

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It's for a desktop or laptop?

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The ax card I said was laptop

waxen scroll Jan 15, 2020, 10:40 PM

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@clear igloo

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meantime, you can view your cancellation details below.

Services being disconnected:    XFINITY Internet```

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went to the customer center and they gave 0 resistance to canceling like i assumed

clear igloo Jan 15, 2020, 10:40 PM

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What are you switching too?

waxen scroll Jan 15, 2020, 10:41 PM

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XFINITY!

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ssshh

clear igloo Jan 15, 2020, 10:41 PM

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lol, nice 😛

waxen scroll Jan 15, 2020, 10:41 PM

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i found you can get away with it

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did it last year

cursive valve Jan 15, 2020, 10:41 PM

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cox gigablast makes it possible to 3d print food tho

clear igloo Jan 15, 2020, 10:42 PM

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You're going to need to 3d print food since that's all you can afford at those prices 😛

cursive valve Jan 15, 2020, 10:42 PM

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i got gigablast for barely under 100 usd

waxen scroll Jan 15, 2020, 10:42 PM

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they cancel it, you internet still works for 2 weeks, then when it finally dies you just sign up again right away and the internet is back in 2min

clear igloo Jan 15, 2020, 10:42 PM

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oh, I can't read, thought it was comcrap for some reason

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@waxen scroll Nice, if I'm ever in an area with Xfinity I'll keep that in mind

little schooner Jan 16, 2020, 12:02 AM

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@waxen scroll real cool

waxen scroll Jan 16, 2020, 12:58 AM

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@little schooner

little schooner Jan 16, 2020, 1:00 AM

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@waxen scroll man what a deal

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That should be regular price here

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I'm still in contract but I can try it too

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After it's done

waxen scroll Jan 16, 2020, 1:02 AM

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i cant try it for like 2 weeks, i have to wait for the connection to die

twin wave Jan 16, 2020, 1:26 AM

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@waxen scroll here in the uk thats a bad price i have 700mbps down for £70 a month

waxen scroll Jan 16, 2020, 1:28 AM

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i can get 1gb down for £69 tho

twin wave Jan 16, 2020, 1:29 AM

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ok i did forget to mention that includes 2 tv boxes telephone modem rent and no installation fee

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so idk how much for just the fibre connection

waxen scroll Jan 16, 2020, 1:29 AM

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yeah but i dont pay BBC TV tax, whats that cost?

twin wave Jan 16, 2020, 1:30 AM

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£40 a month

waxen scroll Jan 16, 2020, 1:30 AM

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thats probably about what it costs me to add TV

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but my netflix so i dont need TV 😄

twin wave Jan 16, 2020, 1:30 AM

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no sorry £140

waxen scroll Jan 16, 2020, 1:30 AM

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per month or year?

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gotta be year

twin wave Jan 16, 2020, 1:31 AM

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lifetime? but it says that you can renew it

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no its quarterly

waxen scroll Jan 16, 2020, 1:32 AM

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your millennials who dont want TV must be salty

twin wave Jan 16, 2020, 1:32 AM

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so yeah £50

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lol

waxen scroll Jan 16, 2020, 1:32 AM

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😄

twin wave Jan 16, 2020, 1:33 AM

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yeah we have to pay for the BBC i do not remember the last time i opened iplayer

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or a bbc channel

waxen scroll Jan 16, 2020, 1:33 AM

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all i watch from your end is Ramsey stuff

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kitchen nightmares, bla bla

twin wave Jan 16, 2020, 1:34 AM

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thats not BBC

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thats his own production and most of it is shot in america

waxen scroll Jan 16, 2020, 1:34 AM

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does BBC only air BBC created material?

twin wave Jan 16, 2020, 1:35 AM

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yes to a certain degree

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they will do things like the queens speech and stuff

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i just checked for the 700mbps just broadband is £52 a month

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but it is extremely difficult to get gigabit in the area i live

waxen scroll Jan 16, 2020, 1:37 AM

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we have fiber around the perimeter of the neighborhood, they are supposed to run it into here but are taking their time

twin wave Jan 16, 2020, 1:38 AM

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yeah we only just got the road work done to put it in

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yeah the only places in the uk that i can find that isnt if your house is next to a internet exchange is Manchester, Southhampton and Reading (200+ miles away)

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this is the only one i can find but for that price unless its for a buisness why bother

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CityFibre UltraBEAM FTTP 1Gb/s: £249/month with £0 install (after using £2,500 voucher) - usual price is £299/month

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oblique aurora Jan 16, 2020, 9:59 AM

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we have 20$ for Gb fiber :)))

jaunty talon Jan 16, 2020, 10:25 AM

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I have that included in my apartment cost (which is 120$/m) :D

thick minnow Jan 16, 2020, 2:48 PM

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In the United States, I pay $70 a month for gigabit fiber.

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The speeds are about what you would expect. 940 Mbps down, 940 Mbps up. The ping to the closest city within the same ISP is 1 -3 ms. There's about an 8 ms ping to the 'gateway' server.

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The gateway server is located 250 Miles from where I live.

little schooner Jan 16, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Huh, it's not letting me convert it to jpg

dawn forge Jan 16, 2020, 6:10 PM

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hi guys, recently upgraded to fiber (to home with dedicated ONT), but when I try to configure my edgerouter PoE I get very low speeds compared to the router provided by my isp (14 mbps vs over 500), how can I debug?

vapid dune Jan 16, 2020, 8:33 PM

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do you have switch with that router @dawn forge ?

dawn forge Jan 16, 2020, 8:33 PM

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yes

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EdgeSwitch

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I did end up finding out why, rookie mistake, I had QoS enabled

vapid dune Jan 16, 2020, 8:34 PM

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hardware offload?

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oh I see

dawn forge Jan 16, 2020, 8:38 PM

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thanks, now the difficult bit, making my VOIP phones work... I have always used ISP-autoconfigured routers for those, but somehow having ONT -> ISP Router -> EdgeRouter (with PPPoE) no longer works and I removed the ISP Router...

vapid dune Jan 16, 2020, 8:39 PM

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can you just do ONT --> (ISP Router and EdgeRouter)

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lol

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at least that's what some people do when they have trouble with stuff like IPTV

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assuming the ONT has multiple ports

dawn forge Jan 16, 2020, 8:39 PM

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it doesn't, and the ISP doesn't publish requirements

vapid dune Jan 16, 2020, 8:40 PM

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I think in that case you'd have to google it and hope someone has figured it out

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otherwise you might need to add a switch

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assuming you can get multiple public IPs

waxen scroll Jan 16, 2020, 10:51 PM

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@clear igloo @little schooner lmao comcast shut me off next day. that never happens. i usually get 2 weeks free

hollow marlin Jan 16, 2020, 10:51 PM

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@dawn forge If you require PPPoE than you should be able to take the ISP router out of the equation. What exactly are you running into with VOIP though?

clear igloo Jan 16, 2020, 10:51 PM

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@waxen scroll LUL

waxen scroll Jan 16, 2020, 10:51 PM

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i signed up again, the online system realized it was me, and it gave me the new customer discount anyway

clear igloo Jan 16, 2020, 10:51 PM

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Haha, welp, there you go

waxen scroll Jan 16, 2020, 10:52 PM

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@hollow marlin ISP hackin up in HERRRRRR

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i bet you dont let people do that

dawn forge Jan 16, 2020, 10:52 PM

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@hollow marlin I did, current setup is ONT -> EdgeRouter (via PPPoE) -> EdgeSwitch and all the rest, my issue with VOIP is that I have no idea how it works or how to set it up, I always used my ISP's router which only requires me to plug in the phone jack... I'm trying to find something online

hollow marlin Jan 16, 2020, 10:54 PM

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@dawn forge Well if you typically used the phone jack off the ONT that is not VOIP. Those are typical POTS lines. If you go VOIP you will need to use SIP

dawn forge Jan 16, 2020, 10:55 PM

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setup with the ISP router is ONT -> ISP Router -> phone, everything goes through the ISP router

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which I guess has some software and configuration to make the phone work

hollow marlin Jan 16, 2020, 10:57 PM

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Yeah it acts a SIP gateway. If you are able to reach out to them and have a VOIP phone you can probably get the credentials and just throw it behind your edgerouter

dawn forge Jan 16, 2020, 10:58 PM

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do I need another PC or something to act as SIP gateway?

subtle glen Jan 16, 2020, 10:59 PM

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when i put my internet interface to bridge mode it did not affect the voip interface

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maybe it's the same for you

hollow marlin Jan 16, 2020, 10:59 PM

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You dont need the gateway. The reasons there is a SIP gateway on the ONT is to convert its from SIP to analog. If you have VOIP its SIP all the way

dawn forge Jan 16, 2020, 10:59 PM

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@subtle glen ISP router doesn't have Bridge mode accessible unfortunately

subtle glen Jan 16, 2020, 10:59 PM

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oh

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rip

dawn forge Jan 16, 2020, 11:01 PM

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mh, I'll double check, and I'd need something like Cisco SPA112 in case they're analog, right?

subtle glen Jan 16, 2020, 11:01 PM

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yeah, that was my first option too

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should work with that

hollow marlin Jan 16, 2020, 11:03 PM

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@dawn forge Yeah that will work just fine. Ive seen some of our customers use that model for SIP with no problems

dawn forge Jan 16, 2020, 11:07 PM

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thanks

little schooner Jan 17, 2020, 12:18 AM

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Can I expect a Cisco sfp+ module to work fine in a QNAP NAS?

waxen scroll Jan 17, 2020, 12:23 AM

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its not a guarantee but most likely

little schooner Jan 17, 2020, 12:50 AM

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@waxen scroll why would it not work?

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Specific signaling or something?

waxen scroll Jan 17, 2020, 12:52 AM

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those SFPs are programmed for compatibility and allows manufacturers to know if its not one of their supported ones

little schooner Jan 17, 2020, 12:53 AM

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Ohh

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So software locks

waxen scroll Jan 17, 2020, 12:53 AM

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that programming is very weak which is why you can buy $20 "cisco compatible" SFPs

little schooner Jan 17, 2020, 12:53 AM

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Yeah

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Hmm

waxen scroll Jan 17, 2020, 12:54 AM

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if the device does 0 checks on the SFP then it will probably work

tender hazel Jan 17, 2020, 9:22 AM

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I recommend optcore or FS.com SFP modules

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you can get cheap ones that are cisco compatible from either of those that work quite well with cisco or anything else

paper rampart Jan 17, 2020, 4:30 PM

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I have a cisco 3750G that I factory reset. The console never outputs, it doesn't respond to pings or telnet. It properly switches and does it job. Any ideas?

little schooner Jan 17, 2020, 4:42 PM

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well, it is not supposed to respond to pings unless it has a switch virtual interface

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also did you try a different console cable?

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verify console settings?

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is the console port broken or loose?

paper rampart Jan 17, 2020, 4:44 PM

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I'll try switching console cables, and examining the console port then

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 6:54 PM

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Baud rate of 9600?

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Try 115200 if not

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 6:54 PM

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Hey Im trying to find out if a switch would solve an issue I am having. Anyone good at networks willing to hop into a call with me for a second? Im more confident in my ability to talk through it than I am in my ability to type it out intelligably

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I guess in short I am trying to figure out if you can put a switch between an ONT and a router

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and what consequences that might have for network speed

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 7:13 PM

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I am making some assumptions here, that you are looking at using a non-managed switch to allow you to connect other devices directly to your ONT that shouldn't be behind your router, and that you are not passing vlan, it should be the same, the speed bump shouldn't be enough to notice unless the non-managed switch is low quality

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 7:14 PM

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ok and that should work?

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Im used to traditional modem- router setups where switches have to be post router I think

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I have to route wired internet to 2 places in my house and the only place all my wiring meets in at the ont outside

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 7:16 PM

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as long as the hand off you are getting from the ONT is meant for the router a switch shouldn't change that, just adds a hope

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 7:17 PM

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So i was hoping to plug my pc into the switch and move my router down to my entertainment center also plugged into the switch

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 7:17 PM

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well thats another issue all together

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I am assuming your PC should also sit behind your router

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something needs to handle your public IP address and translate that to your home network devices

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 7:19 PM

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yeah the plan is to drop a switch inside the ONT housing and run my pc off one port and my router off another

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 7:20 PM

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if your ISP doesn't limit your IP to one, that will isolate your PC from your network and possible give your PC a public IP, which is not a good thing

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 7:20 PM

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So my isp says they can handle routing an ip to my pc straight from the ONT

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 7:20 PM

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yes they can

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 7:21 PM

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but I dont know how much I trust their tech support, I had a micorargument when they insisted I had gigabyte internet

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 7:21 PM

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but think of it like this, a router acts as a gate keeper and take one public IP and let your private devices access the internet and protects them from getting accessed in ways they shouldn't be

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Ah i see the issue

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 7:22 PM

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and anything sitting behind the router can talk directly with one another on private IP space

hard pasture Jan 17, 2020, 7:22 PM

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What would it take to upgrade 3 of my machines to be on a 10 gig ethernet?

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I assume 3 10gbe cards, a 10gbe switch and cables, right?

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 7:23 PM

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@hard pasture more or less, cable selection could be a rats nest though

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 7:23 PM

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So how do I do this without isolating my pc. I use it for steamlink to my tv downstairs etc. It needs to be part of the network

hard pasture Jan 17, 2020, 7:24 PM

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Do they all need to be SFP+?

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 7:29 PM

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ideally you would put the router in the place you were thinking of putting the switch or run more copper

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@hard pasture if you want 10gb you want SFP+ ports

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 7:30 PM

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running copper in a townhouse is a little difficult and destructive.

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damn... I dont have a plan anymore

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 7:32 PM

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maybe you can pull a new copper line following your existing line going to your router out to the junction box and then either splice there or run it though replacing the line up to your pc?

hard pasture Jan 17, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Why is this thing so cheap? https://www.ebay.com/itm/192871963699

eBay

731850-001 NEW BULK HPE 10GB Ethernet 1-Port 544+FLR SPF+ Adapter card

Fully trained IT specialists to provide product support and advice. Quality New and Refurbished IT parts with up to 80% off the RRP.

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 7:33 PM

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40 gb is a thing replacing all 10gb

hard pasture Jan 17, 2020, 7:36 PM

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So this one's fine?

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The 10gbe cables on Amazon are more expensive than these cards. lol

little schooner Jan 17, 2020, 7:42 PM

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@hard pasture like how much more expensive?

hard pasture Jan 17, 2020, 7:42 PM

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$17 for a 6 foot cable

little schooner Jan 17, 2020, 7:42 PM

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What CAT?

hard pasture Jan 17, 2020, 7:43 PM

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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00U8BL09Q/

little schooner Jan 17, 2020, 7:43 PM

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You can't even use that

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With the adapter your buying

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You need copper cable rj45

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📎 Screenshot_20200117-144324_Amazon_Shopping.jpg

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The ebay picture shows the HP adapter with rj45 port

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Unless that isn't what your getting?

hard pasture Jan 17, 2020, 7:49 PM

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Just shopping around.

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This one looks right: https://www.ebay.com/itm/143338082823

eBay

HP NC523SFP QLE3242-HP Dual Port 10Gb Ethernet 10GbE SFP+ PCI-E NI...

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little schooner Jan 17, 2020, 7:53 PM

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That one looks more like sfp+ ports yeah

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 7:55 PM

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@chrome hound, is there a way if my pc is on a separate network to make that IP artifically a part of the main network?

little schooner Jan 17, 2020, 8:26 PM

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Do any of you know if it's worth losing 5 more TB of space to get RAID 6?

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Or stick with raid 5

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 8:26 PM

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5 can only tolerate 1 failure, I would do 6 to be somewhat safer but depending on what you're storing it might be fine

little schooner Jan 17, 2020, 8:29 PM

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@clear igloo well, it will house some AD backups and mostly virtual machine templates that we created

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And anything that was Administrative data like diagrams or step guides

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Right now we are only using like 2TB

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 8:30 PM

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Hmmm, 6 might be better for a little more redundancy in that case but hard to say. Kind of a coin flip between the two almost for that use case

little schooner Jan 17, 2020, 8:32 PM

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@clear igloo hmm

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I mean on one hand, I fear the odds that we have two drives fail at the same time

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Or if one fails maybe, during a rebuild

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I think I'm gonna tell him to err to raid 6 then

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Because it takes a long time to buy replacements

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 8:33 PM

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Yah, if they all come from the same batch and order then you have a higher chance of multiple going at once. If you build it over time then chances are usually lower but best to be safe

little schooner Jan 17, 2020, 8:35 PM

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Yeah.

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Hm

charred meadow Jan 17, 2020, 8:35 PM

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I gave up 4TB to use raid-z2 and it saved me when I had two drives that failed.

rocky badge Jan 17, 2020, 8:35 PM

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@clear igloo end meeeeeeeeee

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I'm copying 2TB over a Gigabit network

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 8:36 PM

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mega oof

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Is it at least saturating most of the gigabit?

rocky badge Jan 17, 2020, 8:36 PM

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Yes

little schooner Jan 17, 2020, 8:36 PM

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@rocky badge Comcast throttled my upload speed to 4mbps because I've been uploading for 28 days straight about 2TB worth of data so far

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I was getting 9 mbps before

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 8:36 PM

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ouch

rocky badge Jan 17, 2020, 8:36 PM

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Lol

little schooner Jan 17, 2020, 8:36 PM

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Omg it is sooooo slow

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7 days to upload 438GB

rocky badge Jan 17, 2020, 8:37 PM

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This is internally

little schooner Jan 17, 2020, 8:37 PM

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In your case, that is still not bad

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Way faster than what I'm going it externally. Lol

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I would love to transfer over at gigabit

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Omg it make me want to use the cloud like more than normal

rocky badge Jan 17, 2020, 8:38 PM

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Lol

little schooner Jan 17, 2020, 8:38 PM

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If I had a faster upload

rocky badge Jan 17, 2020, 8:39 PM

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@clear igloo I'd love to have an entire lab at school lol

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 8:40 PM

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College has labs (usually)

rocky badge Jan 17, 2020, 8:40 PM

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Maybe some Cisco catalyst switches, ASA, some SANs and servers lol

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I'm not in college lol

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 8:40 PM

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Not with that attitude you're not! 😛

rocky badge Jan 17, 2020, 8:40 PM

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Oof

spare bay Jan 17, 2020, 8:41 PM

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anything thats used to make money should be raid 6

rocky badge Jan 17, 2020, 8:41 PM

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I'm not even half way through with high school

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Soon™️ though

spare bay Jan 17, 2020, 8:41 PM

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@little schooner

little schooner Jan 17, 2020, 8:42 PM

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@spare bay yes. I will push that to him when we get the NAS and it will be raid 6

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The NAS is arriving next week

rocky badge Jan 17, 2020, 8:42 PM

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Our new storage server is zfs lol

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 8:42 PM

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is there a way to hava a computer not connected through a router be treated as part of that routers network?

little schooner Jan 17, 2020, 8:42 PM

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@slim trail yes a switch

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 8:43 PM

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the computer cant be after the router

little schooner Jan 17, 2020, 8:43 PM

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So connect it directly to the router

spare bay Jan 17, 2020, 8:43 PM

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do you mean something thats not in the subnet?

little schooner Jan 17, 2020, 8:43 PM

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That works too

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I am under the impression that the router you speak of would have switch ports in it too

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It's not technically after the router, but with it

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 8:44 PM

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i mean i am plugging the ont directly into the computer and separately directly to the router

spare bay Jan 17, 2020, 8:44 PM

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ont?

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 8:44 PM

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the ISP gives each an ip address

little schooner Jan 17, 2020, 8:44 PM

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Oh I'm not aware of this ONT idea

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I don't know

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 8:45 PM

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instead of a modem i have an ONT

spare bay Jan 17, 2020, 8:45 PM

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oh

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I see

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 8:45 PM

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it tranfers fiber to copper

spare bay Jan 17, 2020, 8:45 PM

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cant plug the computer into the router?

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regardless, the answer is yes, you can vpn into the routers network

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 8:45 PM

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not with the new setup im trying to run

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not without backtracking a second cable through all my walls

little schooner Jan 17, 2020, 8:46 PM

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@slim trail transfers fiber to copper? Like a media converter such as Coax to copper?

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Those should already be bridged mode

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I think

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Unless it has built in router features

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Then it gets complicated

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Like add vlan to the line

spare bay Jan 17, 2020, 8:47 PM

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what are the IP addresses?

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 8:47 PM

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@slim trail the only real way to make it work is for the switch to be a smart switch and use a Vlan to handle your PC traffic and place that Vlan on the private side of your router, but I think you would then need two managed switches to make that happen

cursive valve Jan 17, 2020, 8:47 PM

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after using apache for a while i decided to try nginx but its pooop

spare bay Jan 17, 2020, 8:47 PM

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public ip's or a 10.x.x.x/192.168.x.x ?

little schooner Jan 17, 2020, 8:48 PM

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They sell cheap vlan aware switches yes

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No frills, web GUI based

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 8:48 PM

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@little schooner The ONT is usually a glorified media converter and dot1x authentication box

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 8:48 PM

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how large though I think space is a constrant

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 8:49 PM

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so if I put it in the ONT enclosure I have like 6 by 5 by 1 inches of space

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I could mount another enclosure though

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 8:49 PM

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I'm worried that your PC will need to authenticate with the ONT and the ISP isn't likely to give you credentials to do so

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 8:49 PM

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I asked, they agreed to that

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Ah, ok, was about to ask that

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 8:50 PM

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my issue is I do a lot of chromecast and steamlink from this pc

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I need that to work

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 8:50 PM

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the issue is his PC becomes isolated as it would be on a public IP where the rest of his home network would be behind the router

little schooner Jan 17, 2020, 8:50 PM

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@clear igloo good to know.

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I've always seen the term thrown around but never had chance to ask about it

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Like I didn't think I needed to know at the time

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 8:51 PM

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Yah, a VPN would be added latency and whatnot but would put the PC on the same logical network to get around what @chrome hound mentioned

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 8:51 PM

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my other options all seem to mean running wire through external walls

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 8:51 PM

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if you had two switches capable of Vlans you could make it work with a single copper run

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 8:51 PM

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Well if the router supports sub-interfaces you could dot1q trunk from a single switch

spare bay Jan 17, 2020, 8:51 PM

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I cant imagine it would be that much latency

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oh wait you said steam link

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not ideal

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 8:51 PM

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can you describe the 2 switch setup in short so I have an idea what we are talking about?

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 8:51 PM

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Yah, the steam link is the tough part, chromecast doesn't worry me

spare bay Jan 17, 2020, 8:52 PM

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it would only be a couple of hops still

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 8:52 PM

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yeah my wife and I use the steam link every night

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I really dont want to lose that]

spare bay Jan 17, 2020, 8:52 PM

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the first ISP router should send the traffic back to the router

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 8:52 PM

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What router do you have on the other side of the ONT? ISP one or your own? If it's your own what model?

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 8:52 PM

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well the quaitly of the switch is a factor we are not talking production level switches here

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 8:53 PM

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yeah id like to maintain most or all of my gigabit speed

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 8:54 PM

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tbh you don't really need gigabit speeds its more about latency with the apps you are talking about

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 8:54 PM

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agreed

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 8:54 PM

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so first things, does your current router support vlan setups?

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I am betting not

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 8:54 PM

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but i pay for it so id like it lol

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im not sure

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its an asus AC3100

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 8:55 PM

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I might have an idea how it can work

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 8:56 PM

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two of this might be best

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https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Gigabit-Lifetime-Protection-GS105Ev2/dp/B00HGLVZLY/ref=sr_1_8?qid=1579294500&refinements=p_n_feature_keywords_browse-bin%3A3450974011&s=pc&sr=1-8

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I had no idea netgear even made a managed 5 port switch

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 8:57 PM

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ONT > Switch > Switch > Router should work with:
Trunk port between switches, Vlan 10 for the ONT, Vlan 20 for the PC. Vlan 20 plugs into the LAN port on the router and VLAN 10 into the WAN port on the router

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Or if you want to ensure full gigabit throughput you could do CRS305-1G-4S+IN and some 10G copper SFPs, provided the run isn't too long and decent quality cable

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 8:58 PM

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and your PC plugs into the first switch

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 8:58 PM

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Yah

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 8:59 PM

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you are going to have to be able to set the right ports to deliver untagged vlan traffic

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 8:59 PM

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Exactly, trunk only between switches and access port on the edge

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 8:59 PM

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yep

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 9:00 PM

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ok so one switch goes in the ont enclosure, run the line from my pc to that, the next switch is inside right behind my router?

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 9:00 PM

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but remeber you are still only using one network cable to transfer the full amount for your pipe will be limited

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 9:01 PM

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Yah, that's why I'm thinking 10Gb would be best to allow the least constraint

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 9:02 PM

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but that would require new network drop

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he is trying to avoid new network runs

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 9:02 PM

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so I have a single run from the ONT to each location currently

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its basic cat 6 cable

rocky badge Jan 17, 2020, 9:03 PM

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@clear igloo oof

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 9:04 PM

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@slim trail it will look like this in the end

📎 example.jpg

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Switch <<>> Switch is a trunk so both VLANs are allowed

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 9:05 PM

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and you could put other runs on vlan 20 at switch 1 as well

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 9:05 PM

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With the Mikrotik 10G switch you could do gigabit from PC + a couple other devices to router and gigabit from router to ONT without issues. Vlan 20 would be limited to 1Gbit going into the LAN on the router but still sufficient if you added more than the PC

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 9:08 PM

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oh hey @rocky badge I finally was able to get a 8/8 speed test, but it was for a comcast speed test server

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 9:08 PM

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so another idea i wanted to run by you

rocky badge Jan 17, 2020, 9:08 PM

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@chrome hound lol nice

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 9:09 PM

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what about installing a wired router in the ONT enclosure and using my wireless router as just a transciever

rocky badge Jan 17, 2020, 9:09 PM

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@clear igloo I need more smartcard /s

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 9:10 PM

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@slim trail That could work too

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 9:10 PM

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err centry link I mean https://www.speedtest.net/result/d/0d6c17ab-ae23-47cb-b4c1-e4c45a996160.png

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 9:10 PM

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good lord, and I thought my speeds were nice

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 9:10 PM

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You would still use a couple switches across the single link but it would simplify some things a bit since you could use unmanaged switches

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 9:11 PM

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are there any downsides to doing the dual router thing?

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 9:11 PM

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If the second router is in AP only mode, nothing comes to mind

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 9:11 PM

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I think htat might be cheaper if less fun sounding

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 9:11 PM

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tbh I would look at a dedicated AP that is not a router

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 9:12 PM

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Yah

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 9:12 PM

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my wife will murder me. I spent a lot on the router..

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 9:12 PM

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and asus has Mess tech so as long as the AP was compatable both wifi points could work together

rocky badge Jan 17, 2020, 9:12 PM

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Oof

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 9:13 PM

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If I dont use it she wont be happy

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 9:13 PM

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no you still use it

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 9:13 PM

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You do mean dump the asus router and just use a wired router and an AP

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?

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 9:13 PM

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put the asus AC3100 next to the ONT use it's 4 network port to make your connections and put an asus AP on where the router was

rocky badge Jan 17, 2020, 9:13 PM

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@chrome hound blob did something. https://blob.pcmr.rocks/375110b7.png

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 9:14 PM

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IPv6 is of the devil

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 9:14 PM

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LUL

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U wot m8? I route u to Null0

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Gossamer, thatd put the Asus router outside..

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 9:14 PM

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so

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enclose it its fine

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IT ONLY HARDWARE

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 9:15 PM

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I could.. Id have to install a new enclosure

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its rather bulky

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 9:15 PM

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the choices we ahve to make

slim trail Jan 17, 2020, 9:15 PM

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lol yeh you have a point

rocky badge Jan 17, 2020, 9:16 PM

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@clear igloo moment of truth

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 9:16 PM

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@rocky badge I do get 9.2 to my speed test server I was excited about that 😄 https://www.speedtest.net/result/d/0784698a-5ef1-4a6d-be67-4ac06c74e298.png

rocky badge Jan 17, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Fuck it didn't run

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@chrome hound lol

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 9:16 PM

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LUL @rocky badge

chrome hound Jan 17, 2020, 9:16 PM

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errr 9.3

rocky badge Jan 17, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Only one cron job ran

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@clear igloo had to manually run the job lol https://blob.pcmr.rocks/159c25e4.png

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 9:20 PM

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What am I looking at? @rocky badge

rocky badge Jan 17, 2020, 9:20 PM

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My badge check in/out system for school sending automated reports to teachers

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 9:21 PM

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Ah

rocky badge Jan 17, 2020, 9:29 PM

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@clear igloo School: Spotify is a VPN
School: Nah your SSH tunnel is fine.

clear igloo Jan 17, 2020, 9:32 PM

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That's some 10/10 logic there

pine hearth Jan 18, 2020, 1:56 AM

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@chrome hound how do you get those speeds

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i live in the same area

chrome hound Jan 18, 2020, 1:57 AM

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Look for Utopia there are three providers on that network that offer 10gb to the home Fiber

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Utopia is in like 15 cities in Utah currently

pine hearth Jan 18, 2020, 1:58 AM

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nice

chrome hound Jan 18, 2020, 1:58 AM

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you can check your address on there web site utopiafiber.com

pine hearth Jan 18, 2020, 1:58 AM

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how much is it

chrome hound Jan 18, 2020, 1:58 AM

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200 to 250 pending the provider you pick

pine hearth Jan 18, 2020, 1:59 AM

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oh ok

chrome hound Jan 18, 2020, 1:59 AM

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oh and pending on how the fiber is installed there is rental for the fiber its self

pine hearth Jan 18, 2020, 2:01 AM

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that sucks its not in my area

rocky badge Jan 18, 2020, 2:11 PM

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@clear igloo 👀 https://blob.pcmr.rocks/966b09eb.png

clear igloo Jan 18, 2020, 2:28 PM

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Nice @rocky badge

waxen scroll Jan 18, 2020, 3:33 PM

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hi

green compass Jan 18, 2020, 8:28 PM

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holy shit, I can dream of that speed

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They don't even offer gigabit here

hallow nimbus Jan 18, 2020, 9:26 PM

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That is his internal network speed tho

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I can achieve the same

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😂

waxen scroll Jan 18, 2020, 9:34 PM

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@hallow nimbus pretty much, and since when did this become the "speed peen" channel

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jakkuhTypical

rocky badge Jan 18, 2020, 9:34 PM

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@hallow nimbus I had to do two SMB copies lol

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I could do more but I cba to copy from more servers

waxen scroll Jan 18, 2020, 9:35 PM

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speed test results to #screenshots or #tech-chat-1

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😉

hallow nimbus Jan 18, 2020, 9:35 PM

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Since like forever lol

waxen scroll Jan 18, 2020, 9:35 PM

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/slapp

hallow nimbus Jan 18, 2020, 9:35 PM

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/denied

rocky badge Jan 18, 2020, 9:36 PM

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Also, I had to turn off the UniFi LED lol

hallow nimbus Jan 18, 2020, 9:36 PM

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Why lol

rocky badge Jan 18, 2020, 9:36 PM

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it's so bright

hallow nimbus Jan 18, 2020, 9:36 PM

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Ohhh

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Yea i dont see mine soo

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Problem solved

rocky badge Jan 18, 2020, 9:37 PM

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📎 20200118_163710.jpg

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it would keep me up at night lmao

hallow nimbus Jan 18, 2020, 10:08 PM

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really lol

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I have slept in a room with my 1080 ti @ 100% usage 😂

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Founders edition

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And with my rackmount on

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That was a bloody nightmare

rocky badge Jan 18, 2020, 10:20 PM

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lol

clear igloo Jan 18, 2020, 10:21 PM

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@hallow nimbus Delta fans would like to know your location LUL

hallow nimbus Jan 18, 2020, 10:21 PM

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There allready are delta fans in that server Lul

waxen scroll Jan 18, 2020, 11:07 PM

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@clear igloo no server talk

fallow frost Jan 18, 2020, 11:16 PM

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is 10 gig possible over copper cables or would I have to get something like sfp cables for it?

spare bay Jan 18, 2020, 11:16 PM

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Yes

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To the copper

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Cat 6 can do it

strange silo Jan 18, 2020, 11:18 PM

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@waxen scroll Some people here could post much higher speeds if they could be bothered, kinda lame to post internal/local speeds though

rocky badge Jan 18, 2020, 11:18 PM

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I was just testing the link between my PC and server ¯_(ツ)_/¯

fallow frost Jan 18, 2020, 11:18 PM

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can it really? awesome, I'll actually start looking at that upgrade

rocky badge Jan 18, 2020, 11:19 PM

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Just to test that my server's 2x gig was working

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not trying to "compete"

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

spare bay Jan 18, 2020, 11:19 PM

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“Consumer” devices are even starting to get 10gig lan ports @fallow frost

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It’s an option for Mac minis

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A fair number of motherboards have it

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The new Mac Pro

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Obviously all fairly high end stuff but it’s cool nonetheless

strange silo Jan 18, 2020, 11:20 PM

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@fallow frost You can do 10Gb over Cat6a or Twinax DAC SFP+ (copper)

hollow marlin Jan 18, 2020, 11:20 PM

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Or Cat5e up to 30m

spare bay Jan 18, 2020, 11:20 PM

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Don’t need cat6a, but it’s definitely better than cat6

strange silo Jan 18, 2020, 11:20 PM

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I thought it was 60m on Cat6 non a

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5e the same?

spare bay Jan 18, 2020, 11:21 PM

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Should be 33m cat6, 100m cat6a

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5e I think is way less

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It’s not rated for 10 gig

strange silo Jan 18, 2020, 11:21 PM

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oh right 55m 6

hollow marlin Jan 18, 2020, 11:21 PM

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We have 4 30m Cat5e runs at 10g

fallow frost Jan 18, 2020, 11:21 PM

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okay, so stupid question, the hell is sfp+'s purpose? I thought it was solely for like 100 gig.

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@spare bay all of my devices only have gigabit lan ports, and I transfer large files between devices quite frequently, one of the main reasons I'm looking at it

strange silo Jan 18, 2020, 11:23 PM

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SFP+ is so you can put different modules in to the port for different purposes

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like SFP+ short range multi mode fibre

spare bay Jan 18, 2020, 11:23 PM

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@hollow marlin that sure doesn’t sound like cat5e

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At least not standard cat5e

strange silo Jan 18, 2020, 11:23 PM

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or SFP+ long range single mode 40km

hollow marlin Jan 18, 2020, 11:24 PM

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@spare bay it’s standard cat5e

strange silo Jan 18, 2020, 11:24 PM

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there isn't a lot of difference between 5e and 6, just a tighter spec on twist/cm

spare bay Jan 18, 2020, 11:24 PM

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That should be impossible but alright

strange silo Jan 18, 2020, 11:25 PM

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that's why 5e does 30m and 6 does 55m, not that I can remember that shit off hand easily (wikipedia ftw lol)

spare bay Jan 18, 2020, 11:25 PM

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What do you mean there’s a huge difference with 6

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It has the plastic divider

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That’s what allows it to do 10gig

strange silo Jan 18, 2020, 11:26 PM

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that divider is to achieve the tighter spec on twist/cm, that's all it is for

hollow marlin Jan 18, 2020, 11:26 PM

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That’s not what allows it for 10g

strange silo Jan 18, 2020, 11:26 PM

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^

hollow marlin Jan 18, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Larger gauge, twist, divider and staggered pins allow for less interference at distance

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Short runs are not really benefited by that

spare bay Jan 18, 2020, 11:28 PM

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I want to see the wikipedia page you read cat5e doing 10gig at 30m

strange silo Jan 18, 2020, 11:29 PM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10_Gigabit_Ethernet

10 Gigabit Ethernet

10 Gigabit Ethernet (10GE, 10GbE, or 10 GigE) is a group of computer networking technologies for transmitting Ethernet frames at a rate of 10 gigabits per second. It was first defined by the IEEE 802.3ae-2002 standard. Unlike previous Ethernet standards, 10 Gigabit Ethernet d...

hollow marlin Jan 18, 2020, 11:29 PM

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@spare bay I don’t need a reference page, I have it running in production

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0 CRCs

spare bay Jan 18, 2020, 11:31 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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interesting, what you linked doesnt have cat-5e

strange silo Jan 18, 2020, 11:31 PM

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It actually makes little difference because the NICs will try and neg at the highest rate they support and if it works it works, there's no "is this Cat6" check at all.

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You'll just hit errors after a certain distance based on environmental factors

spare bay Jan 18, 2020, 11:33 PM

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I agree that a NIC doesnt know what the cable is and if the signal works it works, but, 30m is a long distance for cat5e to do 10gig

hollow marlin Jan 18, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Sure but it doesn’t mean it doesn’t work

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Recommended references =/= real world in a lot of situations.

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Close but there is a lot of variance

strange silo Jan 18, 2020, 11:36 PM

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Like it's a bad idea to use it on a new run or try it in a cable trunk of 40+, but nothing wrong with trying it when situation requires

rocky badge Jan 18, 2020, 11:37 PM

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@hallow nimbus you must have a smart card plugged into any laptop in my domain now lol

hallow nimbus Jan 18, 2020, 11:37 PM

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Oh ffs

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Why even 😂

rocky badge Jan 18, 2020, 11:37 PM

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📎 20200118_183311.mp4

hollow marlin Jan 18, 2020, 11:37 PM

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@strange silo exactly. If our runs were anywhere near power they might just drop altogether

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It was a temp solution that just stayed in production....

strange silo Jan 18, 2020, 11:38 PM

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@rocky badge I'd slap you from here if I could, smartcard auth is a pain

rocky badge Jan 18, 2020, 11:38 PM

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lol

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https://blob.pcmr.rocks/095e49d7.png

strange silo Jan 18, 2020, 11:39 PM

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Love the idea of it, hate it in reality lol

rocky badge Jan 18, 2020, 11:39 PM

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Desktops don't need smartcards

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but they can be used

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Just the laptops

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And since it's a yubikey, it works in anything with a USB port

strange silo Jan 18, 2020, 11:41 PM

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Just wait till Windows decides to reset the USB bus cos of what ever reason it comes up with, "oh you were working, ha get F'd"

rocky badge Jan 18, 2020, 11:41 PM

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Lol

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And since I force devices to use win hello or smartcard, my dad's Surface pro 6 is fine

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Since he uses Windows hello IR

strange silo Jan 18, 2020, 11:49 PM

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Finally finished adding 12 disks to the ceph cluster, took like 3 days to rebalance 😩

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Wonder if anyone can figure out this shit, the used space efficiency is like really far off what it should be and I can't figure out why

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objects: 66.70M objects, 196 TiB
usage: 327 TiB used, 590 TiB / 917 TiB avail

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EC profile is k=3 m=2 failure domain host

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should be 40% overhead... it's not... wtf

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 12:55 AM

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I measured the run in the lab I help support a while back and we got 313 feet

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Can't use cat5e for 10g for this room

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And of course IT/maintenance doesn't want to help run new fiber

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So we almost bought parts for no reason... Until that detail was brought up before the NAS purchase order was submitted

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Minus 2 sfp+ to copper modules

strange silo Jan 19, 2020, 12:58 AM

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313 feet? ugh freedom units grabs calculator

fallow frost Jan 19, 2020, 12:58 AM

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freedom units!

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 12:58 AM

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Heheh

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That's what the fluke Tester prints out

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 12:58 AM

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I'm doing 10 gig over 23m for my PC right now, it's not a long run lol

strange silo Jan 19, 2020, 12:59 AM

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change it to metric, ours is anyway

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 12:59 AM

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I know 30m is like 98 feet

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 12:59 AM

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23m = 75ft

strange silo Jan 19, 2020, 12:59 AM

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313 = 95m

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 12:59 AM

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Yeah too far

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For copper sfp+

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Now we need to ask for money to hire someone to run fiber

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 1:00 AM

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HaHaa https://blob.pcmr.rocks/d4e519e8.png

fallow frost Jan 19, 2020, 1:00 AM

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fiber too expensive

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 1:00 AM

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If we want to connect to the datacenter room

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 1:00 AM

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FreeNAS at school oof

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@fallow frost my OM3 wasn't that expensive

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 1:00 AM

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How expensive is a 313 feet run

strange silo Jan 19, 2020, 1:00 AM

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how easy is it to pull through a new cable while taking out the old, is it all secure and going through walls etc?

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 1:00 AM

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https://blob.pcmr.rocks/a48addce.png

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 1:00 AM

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@strange siloyes going through wall and then up

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It's sitting in a cable tray

strange silo Jan 19, 2020, 1:00 AM

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@little schooner if they company isn't screwing you

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cheap*

fallow frost Jan 19, 2020, 1:00 AM

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I've been trying to get my work to upgrade to some sort of solution so I can access my files from a different computer, because I'm tired of having to be logged into two computers at once

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 1:01 AM

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https://blob.pcmr.rocks/49db00b1.png yeah, we had to migrate lmao

strange silo Jan 19, 2020, 1:01 AM

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pff just replace it with a fs.com pre-terminated custom length fibre lol

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 1:01 AM

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They have this super long tray of many copper cables the spread across the whole floor, in the ceiling

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 1:01 AM

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a 500GB HDD in a server wasn't working

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 1:01 AM

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@strange silo yeah that too

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 1:01 AM

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So we got four 2TB WD Red Pros

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 1:01 AM

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I'm sure it's going to be easy because I looked and everything is super neat

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And it's a straight room to datacenter, no curving needed

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 1:02 AM

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5TB is enough for now 😄

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 1:02 AM

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Like literally straight straight straight

fallow frost Jan 19, 2020, 1:02 AM

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I wish any of the computers at work had 500gb hdds, they all are like hp nucs with the cheapest storage they could possibly get

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 1:02 AM

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And we're at datacenter

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 1:02 AM

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Our workstations have 2TB

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1TB SSD and a 1TB HDD

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 1:02 AM

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@rocky badge our workstations have 1TB hdd and 500gb ssd

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 1:02 AM

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lel nice

strange silo Jan 19, 2020, 1:02 AM

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well if you pay for it I don't see what the problem would be, not like IT would actually have to do anything at all

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 1:03 AM

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Ours are Precision 3630 Towers

fallow frost Jan 19, 2020, 1:03 AM

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My personal computer has more storage than all like 7 computers in the building combined

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 1:03 AM

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@strange silo well we were hoping not to have to use our grant money to fund it

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But it looks that way

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 1:03 AM

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@fallow frost Student laptops have 64GB of eMMC

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Our Precision mobile workstations (laptops) have 2TB NVME

fallow frost Jan 19, 2020, 1:04 AM

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@rocky badge the fiber cable itself may be cheap, but the cost for the work wouldn't be cheap for me, I'd have to tear walls up to run cable again

strange silo Jan 19, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Well it'll be in low hundred area

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 1:04 AM

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@fallow frost rip

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 1:04 AM

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@strange silo which is nice because cheap is what my prof likes to hear

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 1:04 AM

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my fiber is ran up the wall from the basement

fallow frost Jan 19, 2020, 1:05 AM

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The current cable run around the house is 5e I believe, it was put in when the extension of the house was being built by the previous owners

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 1:05 AM

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This summer we're supposed to move all of our equipment out of there into our own dedicated room

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That will be a big job

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The racks don't got wheels

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I mean maybe they will let us borrow their carts

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 1:06 AM

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I just ran Cat6 in some rooms, and my room was the only one that got fiber

fallow frost Jan 19, 2020, 1:07 AM

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Yeah, I do eventually want to re-run everything, and do a few new runs, but just can't right now

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 1:08 AM

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I want our Dell Precision 7920 though. 😦 Dual Xeon Gold 6152s (22 core 3.7GHz each), 384GB of DDR4 ECC, Quadro RTX 6000.

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The thing's a beast

strange silo Jan 19, 2020, 1:08 AM

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I cabled my parents house when it got built, I hate cabling now

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I did way to many, most never get used

fallow frost Jan 19, 2020, 1:09 AM

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Yeah, it's the opposite way for my house, too few runs, we need way more than we have

strange silo Jan 19, 2020, 1:09 AM

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bascially every wall as dual + coax f-type

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 1:09 AM

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👀

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fallow frost Jan 19, 2020, 1:10 AM

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The day I get true control over cabling is the day that either cat6 or fiber goes in.

strange silo Jan 19, 2020, 1:10 AM

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from memory there's only 3 active connections out of the 20-30

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 1:10 AM

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I did 2x Cat6 to the office and living room

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One Cat6 and one fiber to my room.

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The Cat6s in the office are being used by a desktop and laptop, only one of the Cat6 in the living room is being used and that's from the AP.
The Cat6 in my room goes to my 8 port switch, and the fiber ofc goes to my PC

fallow frost Jan 19, 2020, 1:11 AM

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I'm lucky to have gigabit on the few connections that are around, but it got to the point where I have a 5 port switch in my room, and an 8 port to the room that all my spare tech goes in.

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 1:12 AM

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the 8 port in my room is also powering an AP, and then port 2-4 are tagged for guest VLAN

fallow frost Jan 19, 2020, 1:13 AM

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I've gotta find some way to put access points around the house for all the alexas that are now here

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 1:13 AM

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waxen scroll Jan 19, 2020, 1:13 AM

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#screenshots

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 1:13 AM

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the guest VLAN lel

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port 1 and 5-8 are MAC filtered

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if not disabled lol

strange silo Jan 19, 2020, 1:14 AM

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just don't use Alexa's..... 😉

fallow frost Jan 19, 2020, 1:14 AM

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I was against them, but the siblings and parents wanted them

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 1:14 AM

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@fallow frost Yeah, the Google Homes have decent connection

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Nest Hub in kitchen connects to the downstairs AP, the Home Mini in my room connects to the AP in my room, and the Home Mini in the living room connects to the living room AP

fallow frost Jan 19, 2020, 1:14 AM

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I have a home mini, and also am the closest to the router, so I don't have connection issues, but the closest alexa is 3 walls away

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 1:16 AM

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bleh, mixed Alexa and Google Home

fallow frost Jan 19, 2020, 1:17 AM

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I'm into googles ecosystem, grandparents gave amazon gift cards and they saw alexas on sale.

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 1:17 AM

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Oh, rip

fallow frost Jan 19, 2020, 1:17 AM

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wish they weren't

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 1:18 AM

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I'm glad my parents don't want to switch lol

fallow frost Jan 19, 2020, 1:20 AM

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Yeah, I've had my home for about 2 years, took them two years to get on board the smart home idea and then they went amazon

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 1:28 AM

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I want more smart home sensors in my house

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Specifically more carbon monoxide ones

vapid dune Jan 19, 2020, 1:28 AM

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buy em from china

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 1:28 AM

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But they have to be z wave

vapid dune Jan 19, 2020, 1:28 AM

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well maybe not the smoke orco detectors

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why do they have to be?

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 1:29 AM

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Only have a zwave dongle

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At the moment

vapid dune Jan 19, 2020, 1:29 AM

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the dongle is pretty cheap from china too lol

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then again I'm using a smartthings hub

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 1:29 AM

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I'm using homeseer

waxen scroll Jan 19, 2020, 1:44 AM

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i'm using homeassistant

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@little schooner i have like 50 sensors

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the dongle is not cheap 😦

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they sell those things for like $60

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hmm seems to be on sale for $44 today

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@little schooner i have 9 smoke/co attached

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none of them z-wave. none of them wireless what-so-ever

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 2:27 AM

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Yeah my system isn't wired

waxen scroll Jan 19, 2020, 2:29 AM

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so wire it

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😄

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@little schooner wiring smokes and co is pretty much building code these days

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 2:32 AM

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@waxen scroll I saw an apartment with wired ones and yep, I guess it is building code

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Yesterday

waxen scroll Jan 19, 2020, 2:33 AM

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HQNPOHI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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you attach one of those to the bus that the smoke detector communicates to, and then put it on an alarm or something that can talk to home assistant (or homeseer)

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of course you're not "supposed to", but i hacked a way to make it safer

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no and dont are only words

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xD

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i introduced a delay circuit between that alarm relay and the alarm panel which tells home assistant. https://www.elkproducts.com/products/elk-960-delay-timer-module

ELK-960 Delay Timer Module

Elk manufacturers networkable smart control systems and accessories providing security, home automation, business automation, access control, remote control, energy savings, and task management for residential and commercial customers.

vapid dune Jan 19, 2020, 2:45 AM

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I was considering getting random stuff from china

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like maybe a gps module for time lol

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but I'm not sure it's worth it

dire flare Jan 19, 2020, 11:01 AM

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Can anyone help clarify some questions regarding 802.11b/g/n
I have a Huawei B315 home router, looking at the specs sheet reveals it has no support for multiple spatial streams, so how can they claim speeds of up to 150Mbps when the only frequency band I can select is 20MHz
Wouldn't I need 40MHz for 150Mbps

Also how can it claim 802.11n support when it (to my knowledge) operates at best at 802.11g limitations

I'm confused by these standards. pls help

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little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 2:05 PM

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I checked my Comcast data usage for December and it says I used 2222GB of data. If there were any data caps, I would really be in trouble

waxen scroll Jan 19, 2020, 2:07 PM

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There should be

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 2:09 PM

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@little schooner do you pay for the unlimited add-on? Also, what state?

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 2:17 PM

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No unlimited add-on. The state is Connecticut

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I haven't seen them mention data cap anywhere in their terms and conditions for this contract I'm in

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@rocky badge

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 2:19 PM

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@little schooner Connecticut isn't a part of the 1TB cap

topaz quarry Jan 19, 2020, 2:39 PM

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@dire flare most network bandwidth claims are made in a theoretical enviornment that doesn't exist outside of a RF clean environment.

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I've been inside an Arris RF clean room, modern routers can in fact delivery 1 Gbps wireless connectivity to multiple clients in a RF clean environment.

hallow nimbus Jan 19, 2020, 2:40 PM

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👀

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Give me such room pls

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No wait i use cable more then wifi soooo

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Nvm

topaz quarry Jan 19, 2020, 2:41 PM

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but take 802.11ac for example. The theoretical maximum in a RF clean environment is 1 Gbps but the real world speeds max out at 420 Mbps

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@hallow nimbus unless you have a cool 20k per 20 square feet to dump

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you don't want it

hallow nimbus Jan 19, 2020, 2:41 PM

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I dont

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And my cable network can do and does 10Gbit sooooo

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Not fast enough for me

topaz quarry Jan 19, 2020, 2:42 PM

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only multi-node fiber can delivery 10 Gigabit for WAN connectivity

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one has to wonder how much you pay for internetz

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unless you're just specifying your LAN speeds

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in which case I'm sure there are people in here with dual 100 Gbps networks in this chat somewhere

waxen scroll Jan 19, 2020, 2:53 PM

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weird flex, but ok

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@topaz quarry i do 10GB over single mode all the time

dire flare Jan 19, 2020, 2:58 PM

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@topaz quarry I mean, I'm not complaining over not having theoretical maximum speeds, you miss the point.
I'm complaining about not even having the option to achieve those theoretical maximums
Even in a lab enviroment with perfect signal the settings limit me to ~65Mbps maximum, that is the MCS index of 7 at 20MHz with an 800 ns guard interval

The 150Mbps rating is a "maximum" for 802.11n, but my router is limited in settings from getting that far, not conditions

topaz quarry Jan 19, 2020, 2:59 PM

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if you had an actual lab environment you would see the numbers

waxen scroll Jan 19, 2020, 2:59 PM

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@hollow marlin works at an ISP and hates using multimode too

topaz quarry Jan 19, 2020, 2:59 PM

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RF clean environments are almost entirely isolated from the outside world

dire flare Jan 19, 2020, 3:00 PM

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No I wouldnt because I cant bond two 20MHz channels into a 40MHz channels
refer to the MCS chart, to achieve 150Mbps throughput I need to be operating on a 40MHz channel

hollow marlin Jan 19, 2020, 3:00 PM

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How dare you tag me to force me to look at MM lol @waxen scroll

topaz quarry Jan 19, 2020, 3:00 PM

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he did it

clear igloo Jan 19, 2020, 3:00 PM

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lul

topaz quarry Jan 19, 2020, 3:00 PM

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go get em coach

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the way 40 MHz channels work is by consuming the same width as two 20 MHz channels

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it's the same width

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if you're saying you want to use two 20 MHz channels at the same time

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that's referred to as switching

dire flare Jan 19, 2020, 3:03 PM

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Soo you're saying that with 64-QAM modulation, on a single spatial stream with a coding rate of 5/6 on a 20MHz channel with an 800 ns Guard interval in lab conditions I could achieve 150Mbps?

topaz quarry Jan 19, 2020, 3:05 PM

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the numbers on the bottom of the chart

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that seem made up

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do actually occur in a RF clean environment

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you should see how much work is needed to make a RF clean environment though

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there's literally nothing in them

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and the material padding is nonsenscial

dire flare Jan 19, 2020, 3:06 PM

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But I cant phyically cram multiple spatial streams into my router

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RF free or not

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The argument I'm making is that my router despite advertising a 150Mbps in an RF clean environment can't possibly achieve those speeds as it lacks the featureset to achieve them

topaz quarry Jan 19, 2020, 3:07 PM

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I believe based on that chart 1 stream refers has a cap at 65 Mbps

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sometimes they also advertise the speed at which the stream is being switched

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in other words the overall bandwidth

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each single stream having a base of 65 Mbps, and serving 4 clients in some kind of fashion. Sometimes round robin, sometimes LRU

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the claims behind routers are very tricky

dire flare Jan 19, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Marketing teams sure love having field days I suppose

topaz quarry Jan 19, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Gigabit switches also claim to have 1 Gbps * number of ports total throughput

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I think we've all come to the conclusion that just means you can have 1 Gigabit out of each port

dire flare Jan 19, 2020, 3:10 PM

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I'm not even complaining in the end as my LTE based connection cant saturate even the shitty wifi but yeah

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It'd be nice to have data that doesnt mislead

topaz quarry Jan 19, 2020, 3:11 PM

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that would require the marketing teams to listen to the engineering teams

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anyone remember the 970 problem?

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anyone? anyone?

dire flare Jan 19, 2020, 3:12 PM

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😂

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 3:26 PM

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@topaz quarry the switches I use really do have 1gbps both ways

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the non-blocking throughput

hallow nimbus Jan 19, 2020, 6:49 PM

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Yes lan ofc @topaz quarry Wan would be great but i cant even get 1Gbit atm so let alone 10Gbit

vapid dune Jan 19, 2020, 7:24 PM

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anyone run their own NTP server?

clear igloo Jan 19, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Like a local NTP server?
Not one exposed to the internet right? Just one that peers with another server

vapid dune Jan 19, 2020, 7:30 PM

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or uses gps or something else

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but yes not one exposed

clear igloo Jan 19, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Yah, I have two Raspberry pi boxes acting as NTP servers that peer with NIST

waxen scroll Jan 19, 2020, 7:49 PM

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sure we all have them at our jobs

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my coworker is very protective of it

vapid dune Jan 19, 2020, 8:41 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/pihole/comments/eqwzfc/announcing_a_beta_test_of_pihole_50

Announcing a Beta test of Pi-hole 5.0!

Posted in r/pihole by u/Pi-hole • 219 points and 75 comments

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Protective of the server? XD

waxen scroll Jan 19, 2020, 8:45 PM

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yes

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hes one of those people who believes that by locking people out of his stuff and not training, hes safe from layoffs

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truth is exec who doesnt understand IT doesnt care and will mass layoff

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 8:46 PM

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@waxen scroll I am getting constant junk emails now, even with whitelisting, with outlook.com

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what in the world is microsoft doing???

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touching things without testing??

waxen scroll Jan 19, 2020, 8:47 PM

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idk, i get constant junk email with gmail. at least it goes to the spam folder

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 8:47 PM

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lots of people are reporting it

waxen scroll Jan 19, 2020, 8:47 PM

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also you should know theres a gmail calendar spam scam going too

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 8:47 PM

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whats that one about

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what does it do

waxen scroll Jan 19, 2020, 8:48 PM

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spammers send calendar invites and due to the nature of gmail and google calendar it gets added automatically to your calendar and sends your phone notification spam with the spammers message

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 8:48 PM

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thats pretty stupid

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these people waste everyone's time

waxen scroll Jan 19, 2020, 8:49 PM

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yep. i had to lock that down, but now it means google isnt reading my emails and remembering things

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for example, if i bought a flight, google would remember the details from the confirmation email

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wont now

pliant kelp Jan 19, 2020, 9:18 PM

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Hi! If you had to choose between the Netgear R6700 and the Deco M5, what would you choose?
My house isn't that big so the R6700 should be enough for me but if I get the Deco M5 that means I can get rid of my MoCA adapters and use the main Deco as a router and move it to the PC room and connect it directly to the Deco, removing the extra latency the MoCA adds.

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However, it's also more expensive so I'm not sure if it's worth it.

clear igloo Jan 19, 2020, 9:48 PM

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@little schooner They test in prod 😛

waxen scroll Jan 19, 2020, 9:57 PM

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so does blob

clear igloo Jan 19, 2020, 10:02 PM

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@rocky badge

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You gotta ping the man 😛

waxen scroll Jan 19, 2020, 10:02 PM

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ping

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 10:02 PM

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What "prod"

little schooner Jan 19, 2020, 10:05 PM

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@rocky badge you mean to tell me that master branch isn't where I put new features in?

rocky badge Jan 19, 2020, 10:05 PM

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pcmrlol

strange silo Jan 19, 2020, 10:55 PM

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@little schooner Code repo? What's that?

waxen scroll Jan 19, 2020, 11:09 PM

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@strange silo I use ours at work

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It's not technically meant for it, but I push my python scripts to it

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Muh jira, muh bitbucket

waxen scroll Jan 20, 2020, 12:16 AM

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https://www.engadget.com/2020/01/19/why-your-brand-new-smart-home-devices-wont-work-and-how-to-fix/

Engadget

Why your new smart home devices won't work, and how to fix them

Not all smart home devices are exactly plug-and-play.

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Read #1 lmao

tawny seal Jan 20, 2020, 12:22 AM

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Lmao

vapid dune Jan 20, 2020, 1:21 AM

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wait what

waxen scroll Jan 20, 2020, 1:26 AM

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ikr

odd helm Jan 20, 2020, 1:32 AM

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Anybody able to see any reason not to pick up a half-depth 1u server, buy a chinese mATX or Mini-ITX x79 motherboard, a Xeon, & a nice network card, and turn it into a PFSense box. Seems like you could make a nice little professional router for <$200. I've been debating it as a project, and apart from the height issues in a 1u it seems better than all the random Atom boxes you see online.

fallow frost Jan 20, 2020, 1:34 AM

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I personally don't see an issue with it

little schooner Jan 20, 2020, 1:35 AM

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@odd helm what do you mean by nice network card?

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10gbps one?

odd helm Jan 20, 2020, 1:35 AM

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Either a name brand 4-1gb card or a 2xrj45 10gb card

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2 port*

little schooner Jan 20, 2020, 1:36 AM

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just checking because 2 rj45 10gb would be cheaper than the 4-1gb ports if you buy from ebay

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or at least, that is what someone listed the other day here

vapid dune Jan 20, 2020, 1:37 AM

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they sell some small all in ones that can be used for routers too

odd helm Jan 20, 2020, 1:37 AM

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Yeah, but most of what I see is over $200 and only 1gb ports

little schooner Jan 20, 2020, 1:38 AM

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like stuff like this https://www.amazon.com/QOTOM-celeron-Processor-Fanless-pfSense/dp/B01CSCGD58/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=pfsense+router&qid=1579484265&sr=8-3

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yeah they are only 1gbps

vapid dune Jan 20, 2020, 1:38 AM

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not this one but stuff like this one: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32891699351.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.2b582e4eOBLnIH&

little schooner Jan 20, 2020, 1:38 AM

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wth

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expensive for me

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@vapid dune those things look cool though

odd helm Jan 20, 2020, 1:39 AM

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Yeah, but I'm saying why not buy something like this https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000571583738.html & throw it in this https://www.amazon.com/MITXPC-M1U04-Mini-ITX-Rackmount-80PLUS/dp/B01IAJVA4W
(one that supports matx, not the ITX like I linked)

vapid dune Jan 20, 2020, 1:39 AM

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just an example but some of them are like super cheap shipping

odd helm Jan 20, 2020, 1:40 AM

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$200 + a network card, and then you've got a xeon processor, ecc ram, which helps if you want to do things like snort/bro/firewall/etc

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Seems better than the $115 DHL $200 mini 4 port 1gb things

vapid dune Jan 20, 2020, 1:40 AM

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I mean it depends if you need it

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I'm using an edgerouter lite

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it's enough for my place lol

little schooner Jan 20, 2020, 1:41 AM

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I like my all in one unit the edgerouter

vapid dune Jan 20, 2020, 1:41 AM

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I don't nearly have enough traffic to warrant a beefy router

little schooner Jan 20, 2020, 1:41 AM

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the power draw is very low too

odd helm Jan 20, 2020, 1:41 AM

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I mostly want to play I bought a simliar case and Chinese mobo and was going to use it for my ESX-I server, but realized a lot of these have room for 1 PCI-E card and it got me thinking

little schooner Jan 20, 2020, 1:41 AM

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like really low

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i see

vapid dune Jan 20, 2020, 1:41 AM

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I mean it might be better no to put it all into the same server

little schooner Jan 20, 2020, 1:42 AM

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so you want to use it more for virtualization

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its going to have 2 xeon procs so why not

odd helm Jan 20, 2020, 1:42 AM

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Well, the original idea was a test esx-i server, but I'm saying, why not the same idea for a PFSense router

little schooner Jan 20, 2020, 1:42 AM

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well it works yeah

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just uses more power

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and noise

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is it going to be a virtual pfsense?

odd helm Jan 20, 2020, 1:44 AM

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I mean I was thinking bare metal

little schooner Jan 20, 2020, 1:44 AM

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sure thats fine

odd helm Jan 20, 2020, 1:44 AM

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basically I bought the stuff to be a server, but realized I'm one network card away from it being a pfSense box instead, and I'm just trying to see if there's any reason not to given that it seems 'better' than anything else out there at that price point

little schooner Jan 20, 2020, 1:44 AM

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i read the listing wrong. it says 2pcs for ram sticks not cpus

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i thought it was a 2 proc system

odd helm Jan 20, 2020, 1:45 AM

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Nah, those don't seem to be in mATX

little schooner Jan 20, 2020, 1:45 AM

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it works.

fallow frost Jan 20, 2020, 1:45 AM

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I don't think you're gonna find dual socket mATX boards

odd helm Jan 20, 2020, 1:45 AM

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nah I was going to stick with 1 socket

fallow frost Jan 20, 2020, 1:45 AM

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Ah, okay

odd helm Jan 20, 2020, 1:45 AM

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8 core, 16 thread is enough for just playing around with VMs,

fallow frost Jan 20, 2020, 1:48 AM

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I need to get a xeon and a board, I'm tired of this old server already and I don't even truly have it running

odd helm Jan 20, 2020, 2:05 AM

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I know that in his video Linus compared a Ryzen to a Xeon for gaming, but for a home lab, I would assume Xeon's would be better for running Hypervisors/etc over a ryzen system

little schooner Jan 20, 2020, 2:07 AM

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without actually have one to test with, hard to say

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by next year I will test that

spare bay Jan 20, 2020, 2:19 AM

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Really depends on the Xeon

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But there are definitely better deals on used xeons

vapid dune Jan 20, 2020, 2:21 AM

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especially DDR3

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well that and ECC memory isn't cheap

little schooner Jan 20, 2020, 2:29 AM

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@vapid dune yeah i remember paying almost 189 for mine

fallow frost Jan 20, 2020, 2:54 AM

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meanwhile my xeons use FB DDR2

strange silo Jan 20, 2020, 3:40 AM

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@waxen scroll I was joking 😉

sand orchid Jan 20, 2020, 6:40 AM

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not sure where else to put this:

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Trying to make a custom vpn using pritunl as outlined in https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1145041-should-you-make-your-own-vpn/. I've got it connecting to my chromebook through an installed onc file i converted from ovpn but it's not routing any of my internet traffic through the vpn even though it's got the tunnel connected, what should I do?

Linus Tech Tips

Should You Make Your Own VPN?

Linus explores the world of creating your own VPN, with the help of an open source project called Pritunl. Rent a VPS for this project from Vultr (affiliate link): https://lmg.gg/cO2Wd Forum Tutorial: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1140511-diy-vpn-pritunl-setup-tutorial/

oblique aurora Jan 20, 2020, 11:58 AM

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didn't he say that this method has it's own client?

clear igloo Jan 20, 2020, 1:24 PM

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@little schooner Still getting tons of spam?

little schooner Jan 20, 2020, 1:40 PM

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@clear igloo it has stopped for now. I had to silent it last night

clear igloo Jan 20, 2020, 1:41 PM

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Yah, haven't seen much in the past few hours

little schooner Jan 20, 2020, 1:41 PM

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Still, that should be a lesson to the intern, to not test with production systems

clear igloo Jan 20, 2020, 1:42 PM

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yah

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i'd be curious as to the cause

little schooner Jan 20, 2020, 1:43 PM

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Yeah me too

sand orchid Jan 20, 2020, 3:41 PM

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@oblique aurora yes however the pritunl client is not available for chromebooks so i am have added a manual openvpn connection which opens the tunnel fine. I'm just unsure as to why it's not routing all traffic over the tunnel when the openvpn server is pushing the "redirect-gateway def0" to all clients

little schooner Jan 20, 2020, 3:42 PM

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@sand orchid chromebook doesn't have good OpenVPN support

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Chances are it won't work

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Look in setting up l2tp instead

sand orchid Jan 20, 2020, 3:47 PM

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is there a way to use pritunl l2tp?

hollow marlin Jan 20, 2020, 9:46 PM

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On LTT network, relpy to a thread saying it's against the rules, thread get locked, banned from posting because backseat moderation...lol...what...

waxen scroll Jan 20, 2020, 9:47 PM

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wat

hollow marlin Jan 20, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Think it's time to avoid the forums from now on

waxen scroll Jan 20, 2020, 9:47 PM

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i have bad news for you

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they do it here too.... they ban words like d-a-d-dy

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lazy af, the bot just does it

hollow marlin Jan 20, 2020, 9:48 PM

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Well it's more civilized (mostly) here anyway

waxen scroll Jan 20, 2020, 9:48 PM

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dunno, i only watch this room

hollow marlin Jan 20, 2020, 9:48 PM

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Same

clear igloo Jan 20, 2020, 9:53 PM

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There are other rooms?!?

inner bloom Jan 21, 2020, 7:59 AM

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Anyone know anything about connecting to a specific BSSID (mac address) instead of a specific ESSID on android?

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tis is rooted if that helps

waxen scroll Jan 21, 2020, 2:46 PM

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@clear igloo you ever think ltt is getting too woke?

clear igloo Jan 21, 2020, 2:53 PM

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I be wook af today bro

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@waxen scroll woke is too mainstream, you gotta be wook now

maiden olive Jan 21, 2020, 4:10 PM

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is watchguard firebox x20e friewall good?

maiden olive Jan 21, 2020, 4:27 PM

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@here

little schooner Jan 21, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Edit: double checked and looks like I mixed manufacturer names

thick minnow Jan 21, 2020, 5:10 PM

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My Internet connection is dropping packets since 30th December, 2019, I have complained about it many times to the local cable operator and he wasn't able to fix it and he advised me that opting for Fibre is the only way. The issue is towards local gateway, I have heard that malfunctioning Load Balancer Routers can cause this issue.

vapid dune Jan 21, 2020, 5:18 PM

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couldn't fix it???

thick minnow Jan 21, 2020, 5:31 PM

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nope

hollow marlin Jan 21, 2020, 7:42 PM

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@thick minnow that has nothing to do with load balancers nor a cable issue. Are you noticing the packet loss outside of ping?

thick minnow Jan 21, 2020, 8:33 PM

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@hollow marlin Yes.

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The ping IP is a gateway address.

hollow marlin Jan 21, 2020, 8:35 PM

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But are you noticing actual performance issues because of it?

thick minnow Jan 21, 2020, 9:14 PM

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@hollow marlin Sorry I am replying late, didn't expected a reply soon 😅

Yes, I am noticing packet loss in CSGO as well, the network would lag for 2 seconds and then after that it will update the new position of the players in CSGO with new data because of the "request timed out" issue. One thing I have noticed that, this happens majority of the time during evening when most of the people return home from the office while at late night say after 12 AM, the packet loss issue subsides as the night creeps in.

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I am thinking it's the issue on the local cable operator side because my friend have same Broadband Connection, 10 KM away and he doesn't have this issue.

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This started happening since 30th December

fervent brook Jan 21, 2020, 9:19 PM

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try sending pings out to a local server, then pigs out to a remote server

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or tracert

thick minnow Jan 21, 2020, 9:21 PM

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tracert runs fine.

hollow marlin Jan 21, 2020, 9:22 PM

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@thick minnow it sounds like you are just capping out your bandwidth at times. That packet loss that you are seeing is basically moot when it comes to real packet loss.

thick minnow Jan 21, 2020, 9:23 PM

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It doesn't matter which server I send ping to, local or remote, it will timeout because the local gateway is the one which is acting problematic.

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@hollow marlin I also think that's the issue, because my connection is limited to 60 Mbps Download & Upload.

fervent brook Jan 21, 2020, 9:25 PM

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the gateway in your house?

thick minnow Jan 21, 2020, 9:26 PM

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The gateway is not in my house

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It's at local cable operator office.

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Like what you call an exchange in older telephone line issue.

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That's where the gateway is located.

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My ISP uses NAT type Networking to distribute connection since public IP Addresses are expensive and gateway uses Class B Private IP Address.

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I mean if anyone have done networking before, I hope I don't have to explain Class A, B, C Public and Private IP Address Range 😅

hollow marlin Jan 21, 2020, 9:31 PM

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What router do you have and is it able to see bandwidth usage?

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Also classes don't exist anymore, pretend they never existed

thick minnow Jan 21, 2020, 9:31 PM

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My Router can say about how many packets were sent and received in bytes.

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Also classes don't exist anymore, pretend they never existed

What does it mean?

hollow marlin Jan 21, 2020, 9:32 PM

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If that's all just tally it every 5 mins during the times you notice it and average it out. Im sure you're just having congestion

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Classes haven't been a thing for 15+ years but see still taught.

thick minnow Jan 21, 2020, 9:36 PM

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So the Router at my local cable operator is getting congested and can't maintain the bandwidth evenly without going into packet loss. Also I ran speedtest and saw that my upload was halved to in between 15 Mbps - 35 Mbps but my upload was consistent 60 Mbps with 2ms ping on my ISP Speedtest server.

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So if it is congestion issue then the upload should also be disturbed but it isn't.

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Upload is constant 60.

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Classes haven't been a thing for 15+ years but see still taught.

Why is that so?

hollow marlin Jan 21, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Classes were the original design of IPv4 until they were like"shit, we done fucked up" as it wasn't enough space. Subneting was designed to fix it and became the defacto standard.
They don't exist anymore except in ancient code and backwards compatibility and should never be used.
Plus most people will incorrectly say a class

thick minnow Jan 21, 2020, 9:51 PM

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So is IPv4 classes doesn't exist, so it means NATting also doesn't exist?

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Subnetting and NATting doesn't go hand in hand?

hollow marlin Jan 21, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Two different things

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Subneting is address range, NAT is translating an address

thick minnow Jan 21, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Aren't both objectives is to use one Public IP Addresses for more than one computer?

hollow marlin Jan 21, 2020, 9:56 PM

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NAT is, subneting is what range or addresses are within a network. One is a protocol, the other is just informational

thick minnow Jan 21, 2020, 9:57 PM

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So let's say if my IP Address is 172.19.36.xxx and my Subnet is 255.255.255.0?

Is that a Subnet?

hollow marlin Jan 21, 2020, 10:00 PM

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Yep

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It just means your network ranges from 172.19.36.0-172.19.36.255

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Any device in that range is in the same network.

clear igloo Jan 21, 2020, 10:05 PM

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NAT is also different than what you use at home, which is PAT
NAT is 1:1 address translation
PAT (NAT Overload) is many:1 address translation

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It's a type of NAT technically but different 😄

hollow marlin Jan 21, 2020, 10:06 PM

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Yes, that too

thick minnow Jan 21, 2020, 10:06 PM

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I see. But when I Google for what's my IP it shows different IP Address, so it means it is a NAT?

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Overload NAT?

hollow marlin Jan 21, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Yeah, your network is being translated to your public IP when it leaves the router

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Overload means different between NAT and PAT but in PAT, yes

thick minnow Jan 21, 2020, 10:08 PM

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So my network is both Subnetted and NATted, right? Gotta give salute to those ISP motherfuckers 😂

hollow marlin Jan 21, 2020, 10:09 PM

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Yep. Subneting is ALWAYS used, NAT usually only on the customers end

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And I'm one of the ISP motherfckers

thick minnow Jan 21, 2020, 10:09 PM

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Oops

hollow marlin Jan 21, 2020, 10:09 PM

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Lol

craggy parcel Jan 21, 2020, 10:10 PM

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@hollow marlin Here it's increasingly common to use CGN on non-business connections, while ALSO using NAT in the CPEs

hollow marlin Jan 21, 2020, 10:10 PM

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We are looking into it

thick minnow Jan 21, 2020, 10:10 PM

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@hollow marlin What ISP?

dire flare Jan 21, 2020, 10:10 PM

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Imagine switching to IPv6

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like entirely

hollow marlin Jan 21, 2020, 10:10 PM

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@thick minnow in NY

thick minnow Jan 21, 2020, 10:10 PM

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Ohh...

hollow marlin Jan 21, 2020, 10:10 PM

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I got our network almost entirely IPv6

craggy parcel Jan 21, 2020, 10:11 PM

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@dire flare I keep dreaming of that switch, every single day, when troubleshooting customers VoIP connection, and the related NAT nightmare.

clear igloo Jan 21, 2020, 10:11 PM

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😄

thick minnow Jan 21, 2020, 10:11 PM

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My ISP is still on IPv4 lol

hollow marlin Jan 21, 2020, 10:11 PM

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It will be for at least another decade

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There are a lot we are still waiting for other than just the ISPs

fallow frost Jan 21, 2020, 10:12 PM

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why are isps sticking with ipv4 when we know we're gonna run out?

clear igloo Jan 21, 2020, 10:12 PM

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My ISP does IPv6....poorly 😦

craggy parcel Jan 21, 2020, 10:12 PM

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@hollow marlin Yeah, well, they've only planned IPv6 since the mid '90es... So why not wait another decade or two for implementation. Too what? 30 years for IPv4 to get to where it is today?

clear igloo Jan 21, 2020, 10:12 PM

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Because time + energy + application dependencies + other misc stuff

thick minnow Jan 21, 2020, 10:13 PM

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So @hollow marlin can you tell me what would be the problem for the packet loss that's happening on my side.

clear igloo Jan 21, 2020, 10:13 PM

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Sure you could just do NAT46 but that's just masking the issue in most cases where they are problems

craggy parcel Jan 21, 2020, 10:14 PM

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@thick minnow Packet loss can be ANYTHING. Also if you ping the local gateway, the loss can simply be the gateway being busy routing traffic, and ignoring your pings. Try pinging 8.8.8.8, and see of the loss is the same. That way the packets would be treated like any other traffic, and google will answer instead. Never had packetloss to that IP.

thick minnow Jan 21, 2020, 10:15 PM

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Well it will do the usual packet loss thing even at that IP Address. Pinging the local gateway itself is a packet loss lol

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Also I saw TTL, it's 63, for a region TTL is 64, so a Router is in between there.

craggy parcel Jan 21, 2020, 10:16 PM

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@clear igloo For most parts dual-stack would work. Give CGN IPv4, and full public IPv6. If you have applications that don't like NAT, simply use the IPv6 for those, and for services that can only be reached on IPv4, like every freaking thing hosted on AZure and AWS, last I checked, you have a CGN infected IPv4 connection, that should do the job just fine.

clear igloo Jan 21, 2020, 10:17 PM

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Hush with that logic @craggy parcel

craggy parcel Jan 21, 2020, 10:18 PM

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@thick minnow Ehh... TTL means Time To Live, it's a loop prevention mechanism. It's usually high on the first hop and for every router it's decremented by 1, unless the packet is traveling through a tunnel, that way it can pass multiple routers inside the tunnel, but it still counts as only one hop. So how you get to that conclusion is something I don't understand...

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@clear igloo Oh, why? 😛

clear igloo Jan 21, 2020, 10:19 PM

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LoGiC iz DeViL 😄

craggy parcel Jan 21, 2020, 10:20 PM

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Oh.. Yeah.. I might give the ISP's good ideas.. They might give you IPv6 connectivity, for 50% extra, or force you behind CGN with no way to avoid it. 😛

rocky badge Jan 21, 2020, 10:20 PM

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@clear igloo Spectrum gave me a /56 😐

thick minnow Jan 21, 2020, 10:21 PM

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@craggy parcel I get to that conclusion that Router have decremented it by 1, since for a region IP, default TTL is 64. My ping shows 63, so it means a Router is there in the place which have decremented it by 1.

craggy parcel Jan 21, 2020, 10:21 PM

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@rocky badge I have a /32, which I can route as many subnets of to my home, as I please.. (Unfortunately it's tunneled, so not exactly native...)

thick minnow Jan 21, 2020, 10:21 PM

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BTW, I wil be right back in 30 minutes.

rocky badge Jan 21, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Lol

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Mine's native IPv6 from my ISP....

craggy parcel Jan 21, 2020, 10:25 PM

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@thick minnow Yeah, your own router is between whatever you ping, and the computer you ping from...

Your computer -> Your Router -> ISP Router
For each step TTL is decreased.. On your computer it might start as 65, your router then set it to 64 when sending the packet towards the ISP, and the ISP replies with TTL set to 64 (Has no relation to the TTL of the received echo request) then your router set it to 63 when forwarding it to your computer.

However, I don't think TTL is set that high by default.. I never see much more than 30 on whatever I've looked at.

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Hmm. Then again, when pinging 8.8.8.8 from my computer, it gets back with TTL 56, and a trace shows 7 hops..

clear igloo Jan 21, 2020, 10:27 PM

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@rocky badge Better than AT&T 🙂

rocky badge Jan 21, 2020, 10:28 PM

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rip