#networking | Linus Tech Tips | Page 161

polar wraith Jun 11, 2019, 9:35 PM

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it has 2 passthrough

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only hurtel it needs 802.3at PoE+

thick minnow Jun 11, 2019, 10:53 PM

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@waxen scroll why you hating on wireshark?

waxen scroll Jun 11, 2019, 10:56 PM

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because the enterprise tools are way faster at narrowing down the problem visually instead of wireshark where you're looking at a shitload of packets and using ghetto methods to find your issue. for smaller issues where it happens right away and you know which of the 5 packets is the issue, wireshark is great

thick minnow Jun 11, 2019, 10:57 PM

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wireshark has filters

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hurrrrrrrrrr durrrrrrrrrrrr

waxen scroll Jun 11, 2019, 10:57 PM

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cute.

thick minnow Jun 11, 2019, 10:58 PM

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tcpdump the linux CLI tool can save pcap files which you can open in Wireshark

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most of my honeypots which I have on cloud servers save pcaps for me

waxen scroll Jun 11, 2019, 11:02 PM

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sounds pretty useless

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why are you honeypotting public IPs on a public cloud? honeypots are for private networks

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of fucking course your public IP server is gonna get scanned

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next you're gonna tell me you're in infosec and manage the FW appliances but dont know how routing works

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sorry... i know too many infosec people who would do all this crazy crap like public IP honeypot, overly cautious FW/IPS, go on and on about BS then not understand networking

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😄

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it didnt use to be an entry level career, but i think it is now

little schooner Jun 12, 2019, 1:09 AM

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Our infosec is simple: if it's working, don't touch it until semester end

thick minnow Jun 12, 2019, 3:06 AM

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that way of thinking allows for shit like this in 2019

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https://i.imgur.com/VowyA3W.png

Imgur

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China expose Telnet which was Botnet used for DDOS attacks

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my honeypot use Telnet

thick minnow Jun 12, 2019, 4:19 AM

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So... what do we take from this?

unreal wedge Jun 12, 2019, 4:44 AM

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You people are nuts and shouldn't be allowed to configure anything facing the internet. That's the takeaway.

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Unless it's meant to be public, or it's secured with a large-ass RSA key (no passwords, only keys), it shouldn't be facing the public internet.

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*and if it's meant to be public, it better not have access to anything not meant to be. </rant>

thick minnow Jun 12, 2019, 7:05 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/w1NUqcY.png

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SSH Key Based auth mmmmmmmmmm

unreal wedge Jun 12, 2019, 8:31 AM

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I've been using RSA key auth for years. Password auth disabled. Any key below 2048-bits is dead, 2048 isn't exactly perfect, and 4096 is nice, but may be antiquated soon if state-level processing reaches the next level Moore's law suggests, and it's usually fairly accurate.

subtle glen Jun 12, 2019, 8:39 AM

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Just got another group of phones that will be no longer used

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these

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hallow nimbus Jun 12, 2019, 10:13 AM

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What are those thing ?

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😂

subtle glen Jun 12, 2019, 11:09 AM

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Voip phones lol

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We are replacing them with some headphones

little schooner Jun 12, 2019, 12:28 PM

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@thick minnow I like how shodan shows stuff like that it makes a good preliminary stat gathering

strange silo Jun 12, 2019, 12:45 PM

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@waxen scroll We have a public honeypot for behavior gathering and other such things, gets used in the computer science courses. Actually has nothing to do with our network security at all, 100% course material resource

thick minnow Jun 12, 2019, 1:00 PM

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@little schooner my honeypots show even more that shodan does not show 😃

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shodan is nice to see what ports are getting scanned for

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and I use that information to create honeypots

little schooner Jun 12, 2019, 2:22 PM

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omg comcast increased the gigabit activation fee from $300 to $500 this month

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pseudo blade Jun 12, 2019, 2:24 PM

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Likely the lower price was for trial purposes.

little schooner Jun 12, 2019, 2:25 PM

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they are getting shark hungry for money

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i cant wait for local fiber isp to rollout next year

pseudo blade Jun 12, 2019, 2:26 PM

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Well there's exactly two fixes. Proper competition. Or government regulation.

little schooner Jun 12, 2019, 2:26 PM

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I would take proper competition

pseudo blade Jun 12, 2019, 2:27 PM

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Good luck on getting either of those.

little schooner Jun 12, 2019, 2:27 PM

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because government can be corrupted by lobbiysts

pseudo blade Jun 12, 2019, 2:27 PM

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I'd love to talk about this, but it's not permitted here.

little schooner Jun 12, 2019, 2:28 PM

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heh

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I know

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When an ISP runs fiber to the home, is it part of my home to include in selling price?

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The fiber install?

pseudo blade Jun 12, 2019, 2:29 PM

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So just cross it off the list really. Lots of things must change for improvements to happen, and I don't see that happening in either of our countries for many years.

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The fiber's not going to go anywhere, obviously.

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I'd include it as a feature, even if it remains ISP property.

little schooner Jun 12, 2019, 2:29 PM

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So I dont have to worry about them ripping it back out?

pseudo blade Jun 12, 2019, 2:30 PM

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That costs money and offers no benefit.

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They might take their nice switch back if you're not inadvertently providing your street's networking.

little schooner Jun 12, 2019, 2:30 PM

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Thats okay i guess

pseudo blade Jun 12, 2019, 2:31 PM

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Local schools and parks don't "belong" to you, but you might list them when selling a house. Fast internet is not very different.

little schooner Jun 12, 2019, 2:31 PM

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Makes sense

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also this disappoints me the most

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The cheapest one is 15 down, 2 up

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then the next one is 60 down, 6 up

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but that price jump

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omg

pseudo blade Jun 12, 2019, 2:32 PM

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We had shit like that here in Australia maybe 5 years ago.

stable crest Jun 12, 2019, 2:33 PM

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Oof

pseudo blade Jun 12, 2019, 2:33 PM

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Most don't even plug their phones in now, even if included.

little schooner Jun 12, 2019, 2:33 PM

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Like basically they dont have a middle speed, say 25 mbps, that would be good for netflix

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and be cheap

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instead they want you to go all the way up

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to 60 and pay a lot

pseudo blade Jun 12, 2019, 2:34 PM

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Foxtel (basically the only game in town~~australia~~ for cable) got too greedy.

little schooner Jun 12, 2019, 2:34 PM

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greed is too contagious

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also comcast started doing this

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pseudo blade Jun 12, 2019, 2:34 PM

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Well eventually it becomes so expensive that people stop seeing it around.

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So people stop wanting it for themselves.

little schooner Jun 12, 2019, 2:35 PM

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hmm

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the more of a need for proper competition

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Instant TV is basically streaming rights

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but its only for internet only customers

pseudo blade Jun 12, 2019, 2:35 PM

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Cable sans internet here with all packages is $140/month.

little schooner Jun 12, 2019, 2:36 PM

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yeah thats basically murder

pseudo blade Jun 12, 2019, 2:36 PM

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No streaming included.

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12 month contract.

little schooner Jun 12, 2019, 2:36 PM

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comcast does a lot of contracts now too

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i am stuck for one more year

pseudo blade Jun 12, 2019, 2:37 PM

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So nobody gets cable and frankly not much is lost.

little schooner Jun 12, 2019, 2:37 PM

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My biggest problem is that its hard to replace cable when other options as just as expensive for less value

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like its easy to find tv alts

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but without fast speed

pseudo blade Jun 12, 2019, 2:37 PM

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Few people were bitter because Foxtel buys up stuff like GoT, but the price to get it legitimately was high enough that everyone I know pirated it.

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Now even that doesn't matter, Netflix is enough and anything else may as well not exist for most.

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Couldn't have happened to a nicer company.

little schooner Jun 12, 2019, 2:39 PM

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my sister binge watches so many things on netflix

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she spent one weekend watching netflix all day

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thats crazy to pull off

pseudo blade Jun 12, 2019, 2:40 PM

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I get very random and unreliable internet speeds. I have to shape Netflix heavily for latency reasons.

little schooner Jun 12, 2019, 2:40 PM

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yeah no one likes to see buffer or cutouts

pseudo blade Jun 12, 2019, 2:41 PM

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It's presently shaped to 3mbps because that's about the slowest our connection gets.

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Standard-def only, but frankly nobody else in the house cares.

little schooner Jun 12, 2019, 2:41 PM

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how much does standard def content use

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not much right? 2 mbps?

pseudo blade Jun 12, 2019, 2:42 PM

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I'm amazed it works at all. Kudos to Netflix's engineers for pulling that off.

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2mbps or so, but generally bursty.

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By shaping it, I see a constant amount of usage.

little schooner Jun 12, 2019, 2:42 PM

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the term bursty was overused in my cisco training material on QoS

pseudo blade Jun 12, 2019, 2:43 PM

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The connection we have 40mbps one second, 3mbps the next, and Netflix will peak to use all of it and throw latency out up over a second.

little schooner Jun 12, 2019, 2:43 PM

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yeah thats.... like a dramatic change

pseudo blade Jun 12, 2019, 2:43 PM

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You can't do normal QoS on that, so sometimes you have to get a bit inventive.

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Currently shopping around for a rental place of my own, might get 80mbps-ish in nicer places here.

waxen scroll Jun 12, 2019, 11:30 PM

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omg luke is online for once

little schooner Jun 13, 2019, 1:06 AM

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I'm never online

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@waxen scroll

waxen scroll Jun 13, 2019, 1:08 AM

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wot

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@little schooner comcast tv service? behave.

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that thing has like 5 different fees

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i love when i try to call in to "cancel" internet and they try to layer a TV package on and in the end its only $10/m cheaper than the increased rate but it could have been way cheaper if the fees werent there

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@clear igloo https://arubainstanton.com/

Aruba Instant On

Home

little schooner Jun 13, 2019, 1:42 AM

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@waxen scroll that's right the fees is why it gets so much more expensive

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It shouldn't be the customer's fault that Comcast doesnt know how to negotiate terms with the fee chargers

waxen scroll Jun 13, 2019, 1:43 AM

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i HATE the sports fee more than anything

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i dont like watching sports period

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why am i paying some $10/m in sports fee?

little schooner Jun 13, 2019, 1:44 AM

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It's stupid ik

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Ughh can't wait to get rid of them next year

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The fiber isp is still building out in the neighborhood

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But I'm sure Comcast is sticking their hands to make sure it doesn't happen or takes as long as possible

waxen scroll Jun 13, 2019, 1:45 AM

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ATT fiber is supposedly building out here... ive seen some fiber installers in the area but im not sure if its for ATT. theres new homes going in so it may just be for that

little schooner Jun 13, 2019, 1:45 AM

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It's $50 for synch up/down

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150mbps

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Compare that to Comcast and it's already a better deal

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$50 gets you Comcast 15 mbps

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And 2 upload

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Basically the definition of greed

waxen scroll Jun 13, 2019, 1:46 AM

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we get 1000 comcast for $80 ... upload i think is 20-30

little schooner Jun 13, 2019, 1:47 AM

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For 1000.... I think I saw 99.95

waxen scroll Jun 13, 2019, 1:47 AM

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2000 comcast is $300

little schooner Jun 13, 2019, 1:47 AM

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Yeah that's the same for us

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Gigabit pro

waxen scroll Jun 13, 2019, 1:47 AM

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i have 150 now and im completely content

little schooner Jun 13, 2019, 1:48 AM

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I would be content even with 100 mbps

waxen scroll Jun 13, 2019, 1:48 AM

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i had a gig server in the past and downloading was cool, but honestly i dont need it that fast at home

little schooner Jun 13, 2019, 1:48 AM

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I would like to have my cloud backups finish faster

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thats my main reasoning for wanting it

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for school, I am migrating templates of VMs over the internet since I can't physically be on location all the time

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At home, I have access to all the tools

waxen scroll Jun 13, 2019, 1:49 AM

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50 is my limit though, nothing less. ATT can only offer 25 right now

little schooner Jun 13, 2019, 1:49 AM

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25 for netflix I would say

waxen scroll Jun 13, 2019, 1:49 AM

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only netflix? sheeeeeeeeeittttt

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you should look into VUDU

little schooner Jun 13, 2019, 1:49 AM

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i guess xD

waxen scroll Jun 13, 2019, 1:50 AM

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fuckin love vudu

little schooner Jun 13, 2019, 1:50 AM

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my roku has VUDU

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but is it another subscription?

waxen scroll Jun 13, 2019, 1:50 AM

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no

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its movie rentals or digital purchase

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redbox pissed me off many times on bluray rentals and i scratched my head and went "huh. so for $3 more per rental i dont have to deal with this shit?"

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vudu can stream surround sound

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thats what sold me

little schooner Jun 13, 2019, 1:51 AM

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Oh i see

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yeah redbox is basically gone from walmart near me

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I think they moved it somewhere else

waxen scroll Jun 13, 2019, 1:52 AM

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its so dumb.. like they invented that disc return button so when others use it you can still return... then they put it on only a handful of boxes... i also had issues waiting on other people so i can rent and full boxes so i cant return

little schooner Jun 13, 2019, 1:52 AM

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streaming makes sense... no need to drive out and pickup and you get to watch it RIGHT AWAY

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yeah that too

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having it all digital, its basically infinite inventory

waxen scroll Jun 13, 2019, 1:53 AM

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my time is worth wayyyyy more than the $3 savings

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its not like i rent more than once or twice per month

little schooner Jun 13, 2019, 1:53 AM

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right

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I see they call HD "HDX"

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whats that supposed to be?

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just a buzz word?

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or the surround sound thing

waxen scroll Jun 13, 2019, 1:54 AM

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high def experience i think

little schooner Jun 13, 2019, 1:54 AM

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oh.

waxen scroll Jun 13, 2019, 1:54 AM

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its just 1080

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the industry calls 1080 high def

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UHD for 4k

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HDX is a hi-definition (HD) format developed by Vudu that allows streaming video at a better quality than HD streams from other providers like Amazon Instant Video, Google Play and iTunes. HDX video is streamed at 1080p and 24 frames per second.

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TIL

little schooner Jun 13, 2019, 1:56 AM

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ha, they dont name netflix in that statement

waxen scroll Jun 13, 2019, 1:56 AM

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but yeah, no complaints tho. everything ive rented has looked good. the audio was as expected

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i have above average audio but not quite high end

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if its shit i would know

little schooner Jun 13, 2019, 1:57 AM

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yeah yeah

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cool

waxen scroll Jun 13, 2019, 1:59 AM

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at some point i wanna upgrade to 4k but i feel like ive waited so long anyway... why not 8

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1080 is still acceptable to me

little schooner Jun 13, 2019, 1:59 AM

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I would say so too. even more so with laptops like 15 inch, 13 inch

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I made the mistake of getting xps 13 with 4k display

waxen scroll Jun 13, 2019, 2:00 AM

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OOF

little schooner Jun 13, 2019, 2:00 AM

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I now realize that 1080 at that size makes sense

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almost always

waxen scroll Jun 13, 2019, 2:00 AM

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dat massive scaling

little schooner Jun 13, 2019, 2:00 AM

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yeah I was sooooooo disheartened inside

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like I made a bad purchase

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but dell gave me full refund, even though it was opened and I deleted partitions

waxen scroll Jun 13, 2019, 2:00 AM

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i bet windows didnt look quite right, eh?

little schooner Jun 13, 2019, 2:01 AM

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yeah totally not normal

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if anything, linux would of looked better

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4k crispness at terminal is a-okay

thick minnow Jun 13, 2019, 5:58 PM

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I'm still here.

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I'm not dead, yet.

little schooner Jun 13, 2019, 7:19 PM

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@thick minnow I'll be living for another decillion years

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Come to think of it, I'm no longer hard-core Cisco studying anymore, too.

thick minnow Jun 13, 2019, 7:32 PM

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I was never hard-core studying anything.

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I'm still trying to figure out what path I want to go, either I.T or maybe Computer Science, or Cyber Security.

subtle glen Jun 13, 2019, 7:46 PM

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Today 2 fiber cables (for redundancy) going from the main server room to another room where there are 3 switches that feed half of the floor that also happens to be the administration floor went down. Never thought something like this could happen. I mean what are the chances something like this can happen

clear igloo Jun 13, 2019, 8:02 PM

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What are the chances of fire at the substation happening and killing power to all of the campus 😦

subtle glen Jun 13, 2019, 8:05 PM

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Well that happened to the substation near my House. For what I've understood the transformer exploded or something like that. A kinda large area, included my house had no power for 13 hours

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But I mean, there is no backup for that. But 2 fiber cables with 8 fibers in them... the 2 exact pairs that feeds that room stop working. Thats some bad luck there

thick minnow Jun 13, 2019, 9:12 PM

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it happens

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hopefully your house breakers worked or bye bye electronics

thick minnow Jun 13, 2019, 10:25 PM

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Sounds like a big oof.

waxen scroll Jun 13, 2019, 11:28 PM

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@thick minnow mmmmm gurl

thick minnow Jun 13, 2019, 11:31 PM

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?

little schooner Jun 13, 2019, 11:36 PM

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@thick minnow oh computer science is a lot of math if that's your thing

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And programming theory if you like therotical stuff

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Just hope you get good teachers it's easy to be lost

fresh copper Jun 13, 2019, 11:39 PM

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Programming uses math a lot but usually the math is not too hard unless you want to specialize in areas that require more complex math. Computer science in general does require quite a bit of math though, especially in the theoretical areas

little schooner Jun 13, 2019, 11:39 PM

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@fresh copper I would wager my school errs too much on the math vs. Other universities

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Yeah definitely not for me

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The network supposedly requires me to take digital circuits and engineering writing

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Well my engineering writing teacher asked me for advice it was a tough semester for her

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I didn't expect that

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 12:22 AM

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@little schooner rude

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https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/c08fgy/took_down_the_dr_dc_in_my_first_month_at_new_job/

r/networking - Took down the DR DC in my first month at new job.

116 votes and 53 comments so far on Reddit

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if you want to do IT, you're prob better off doing as minimal as possible or trade school

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if you want to code for a living, by all means, invest

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a $90k degree and a $20k degree is gonna land you in the same place

unreal wedge Jun 14, 2019, 12:28 AM

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Did I mention the bot is a networking switch kappA

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 12:28 AM

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no?

unreal wedge Jun 14, 2019, 12:28 AM

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/s

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 12:29 AM

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must be a ubnt box

unreal wedge Jun 14, 2019, 12:29 AM

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I'm joking, it's on a VM somewhere in Jake-land.

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 12:32 AM

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c'mon dooley

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what was bad in there

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lol

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 12:33 AM

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@little schooner if you go IT, especially networking, do not waste time on a degree. I have colleges with Masters in telecommunication and they provided no benefit other than HR

unreal wedge Jun 14, 2019, 12:33 AM

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Read the first word and thing about it.

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At least you got the automated message, lol. Hope you enjoy the image that came with it.

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 12:34 AM

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for once i agree with @hollow marlin a little. IT doesn't need anything special. even an english degree will do

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tons of people high up with unrelated degrees

little schooner Jun 14, 2019, 12:35 AM

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@hollow marlin I will go for masters, I do enjoy learning throughout the years. Also, I can hold onto it in case

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Ultimately I get where your coming from
My brother has the same thinking

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 12:35 AM

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whatever you do if you do it, make it a batch degree

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dont go assoc

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thats like pussying out

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😄

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all HR wants now is batch or no degree but 10yrs exp

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assoc, dont care. assoc with 5 yrs, dont care

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you have to convince BRENDA

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from HR

unreal wedge Jun 14, 2019, 12:38 AM

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Don't you mean Karen?

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 12:38 AM

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omg karen is her boss mang

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dont screw with karen

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 12:39 AM

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@waxen scroll all I have is an ass. I'm like 10 creds from a bachelor too. I was going pre med when later I found out I hated the field, more the people I would work with really. I nabbed a job that lead me to where I am now.
So I have experience and certs to back me up. Just never felt compelled to pay to finish my degree

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To fucking expensive

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 12:40 AM

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i couldnt do that shit

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blood, human fluids, etc

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NO NO NO

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 12:41 AM

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That's not even what bothers me. I would have to deal with fucking Beckys that are complaining not fucking stop

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 12:41 AM

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as in moms?

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 12:41 AM

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The environmental is so toxic and everyone is generally an asshole.

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No the workers, nurses and doctors

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 12:42 AM

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yeah. i love reading about people who support doctors IT

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 12:43 AM

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There was a position open here for lead engineer for the hospital but I couldn't get my self to do it. I would be right back where I avoided. I couldn't do it even for the pay

unreal wedge Jun 14, 2019, 12:43 AM

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Here Becky, go smoke a pack and come back. "Ew no, smoking cigarettes is bad for you." Did you really want to live forever, working here.

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 12:44 AM

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my coworker used to work for the local hospital system. they pay like shit and nobody appreciates what you do

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 12:45 AM

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Here had an amazing opening, $120k and all the benefits in the world. But I know who I would work with and for.
Also 120k in my area is big money.

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 12:46 AM

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whats good money in your area for a senior engineer?

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 12:46 AM

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Senior engineers here make $80kish

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 12:46 AM

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WOW

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thats at large business right?

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 12:47 AM

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Yeah that's with the larger businesses. There are one offs of course of two people I know who make 100k yet know shit

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 12:48 AM

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out here senior is $100k-120k

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 12:48 AM

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That's what it should be here. IT is just not that in demand here

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 12:49 AM

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i dont make $120k+ because i dont want to sell my soul to a trading firm. i know many people who worked for a few local ones... hell. no.

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the stories are terrible

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 12:51 AM

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Almost all I hear are also. I just got done an interview for a local VAR and had to argue to the teeth for even just $70k for lead engineer and they couldn't do more that $60. The job requirements were insane. I couldn't do it.
I hate trying to find decent paying jobs here

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Not that I'm saying $60k is not decent

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 12:52 AM

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it cause you specialized.... you have to jack of all trades and do it for $50k

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tons of jobs!

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@unreal wedge my first two jobs i found on craigslist lol

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now its all shit

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 12:54 AM

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I am jack of all trades! I started as installer/fiber tech then to engineer designing and maintaing an ISP running almost every major protocol.

unreal wedge Jun 14, 2019, 12:54 AM

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Think I'm good. No need to die at work.

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 12:55 AM

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i did NOC/DCops

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running wire, playing security guard, and provisioning space all day

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 12:56 AM

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I'm glad I don't have to do that anymore. But glad I know it

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 12:56 AM

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me too. worst days of my career

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i couldnt touch network equipment until job 3 and that was a contract job

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they let me take it and run though

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 12:59 AM

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My company was so short staffed at the time that after a couple months they let me get my hands on stuff as well. Then were like oh hey, you can do this so now you can provision and install....and then moved from there

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It was rough at times for sure

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 12:59 AM

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i try to do that to other people with less experience, but nobody ever wants to run with it 😦

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 1:00 AM

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I'm actually shocked about how many people are so comfortable in doing the same task everyday, they just don't want or have the motivation to learn

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 1:01 AM

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yep. ive handed people jobs before, all they had to do was say yes and go to one interview

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NOPE.

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they hear "network designer" and freak out

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OMG i couldn't do that. and i assure them its so easy

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nobody goes for it

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 1:02 AM

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Hand it to me, I'll take it lol

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 1:03 AM

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it was pretty much building templates for new equipment at remote sites and then having an outsourcer be online at midnight with you sleeping. they push your configs and the local guy wires it

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 1:03 AM

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But in my early days I would just ask a senior, where do I start and he would give me a sentence and I would run with it, as far as I could go

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 1:04 AM

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instead the people just wanted to keep opening tickets with ATT for BGP down all day

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BGP down = $50k, "designer" = $70k

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also you get a shit ton more freedoms like work at home, work whenever, etc

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NOC you dont get that

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 1:07 AM

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I tried the work from home but I get absolutely nothing done. I have to work at work. Strange as it sounds

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 1:07 AM

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im kind of the same, but thats only if my deadlines are way out. if they're close i do get a lot done at home

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i have to.

little schooner Jun 14, 2019, 1:34 AM

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I'll start working soon

unreal wedge Jun 14, 2019, 1:36 AM

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I pray it's not around networking equiptment.

little schooner Jun 14, 2019, 1:38 AM

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Why's that

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@unreal wedge

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Explain? I am more than capable of configuring a business network.

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 1:51 AM

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Lmao

sick burrow Jun 14, 2019, 3:45 PM

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Which access point should I use?

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Linksys Small Business, Cisco Small Business, TP Link

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Linksys Lapac1750

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Cisco WAP4410N

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TP-Link TL-WA901ND

little schooner Jun 14, 2019, 3:49 PM

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cisco one is gonna require license

sick burrow Jun 14, 2019, 3:49 PM

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I have all three, but unsure which is best

little schooner Jun 14, 2019, 3:49 PM

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the others will not

sick burrow Jun 14, 2019, 3:49 PM

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Sure?

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I ran it without one though

little schooner Jun 14, 2019, 3:49 PM

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Well, I've only encountered one in my lab classroom, and it needed one

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I dont really know for that specific model but

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cisco loves license money

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that i know.

clear igloo Jun 14, 2019, 4:04 PM

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You only need a license for a controller, if the AP is in standalone mode it's no license needed

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Small business stuff also doesn't really use licenses in most cases

little schooner Jun 14, 2019, 4:07 PM

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Oh okay. Sorry for the misinformation

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Lmao

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@clear igloo let's switch our houses to the new arubas

clear igloo Jun 14, 2019, 4:12 PM

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lul

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@waxen scroll why would I do that?

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 4:19 PM

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You need to see how the competition is performing

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Get out of echo chamber

clear igloo Jun 14, 2019, 4:19 PM

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Give for free then

waxen scroll Jun 14, 2019, 4:20 PM

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Tell your boss it's for market research

void oracle Jun 14, 2019, 6:40 PM

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So trying to set up that hp procurve and it wont bring up the web interface

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I can connect through the com port with putty but i cant get the web interface to show up... its just too long to reply

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I keep trying to set the time server but it wont let me set the sntp to the right server

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it wants an actual adderass

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adderess

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trying to use a public sntp but its not working

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so im kinda confused on what to do now

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been trying to set the timezone but it wont list the availible timezones by the cli command

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 6:48 PM

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@void oracle do you have the management vlan assigned to a port?

void oracle Jun 14, 2019, 6:48 PM

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so i can set it

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not sure

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 6:49 PM

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On a switch you won't be able to to reach the web interface until you assigned the management vlan to and access port and give yourself a static in the subnet

void oracle Jun 14, 2019, 6:50 PM

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like i have a static of 10.0.1.11

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 6:50 PM

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Still of the vlan is not assigned to the port it won't reach it

void oracle Jun 14, 2019, 6:50 PM

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well how do i set that through cli

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its not givving me really any ways to edit the stuff

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 6:51 PM

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A simple Google should show you. I'm not familiar with hp syntax

void oracle Jun 14, 2019, 6:51 PM

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kek been trying the spiceworks tutorial but it didnt say anything about that

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the management software for this switch is dead

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so i have to do it all by hand

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Learn the CLI and avoid web interface if possible

void oracle Jun 14, 2019, 6:52 PM

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kek

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half the cli i know doesnt work on this

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so no

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Don't know what that even means. CLI is not the same access vendors and hardware

void oracle Jun 14, 2019, 6:54 PM

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Just meaning that all it does when using the reccomended cli commands for this is give ambiguois input output

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the help for this switch is dead

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its an hpe procurve 2910al

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switch had a dedicated management software made by hp

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but since they've taken the download down so that people are forced to use new stuff

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which would be the management port?

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i have 48 ports

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 6:58 PM

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You can set any port you want as one. Essentially you are assigning a port as an access port the the MGMT vlan which is typically 1

void oracle Jun 14, 2019, 6:58 PM

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i ment

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i dont see the mangement port

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i only see the 48 ports

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which with the management would be 49

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 6:59 PM

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There is no specific management port

void oracle Jun 14, 2019, 6:59 PM

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well mine has a rj232 output on the front

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isnt that the console port

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Again no port. You're assigning a vlan

void oracle Jun 14, 2019, 7:00 PM

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fuck do you mean

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I havve the r232 to rj45

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and now i dont need it?

clear igloo Jun 14, 2019, 7:01 PM

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That's only for direct console access, bypassing SSH

void oracle Jun 14, 2019, 7:01 PM

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AHHH

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okay

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thank you

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for explaining like a normal person

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with words

clear igloo Jun 14, 2019, 7:01 PM

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There should be a dedicated, out of band, management port on the switch above or below the console port but on some lower end switches they don't or didn't have that

void oracle Jun 14, 2019, 7:02 PM

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idk this was a 3,600 dollar hpe procurve

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so what im gonna wanna do is tag the first port with a vlan right?

clear igloo Jun 14, 2019, 7:06 PM

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Depends on how you want to set things up but yes, tag it with a VLAN and then create an SVI

void oracle Jun 14, 2019, 7:07 PM

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svi?

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Yeah im not seeing anything thgat has to do with web interface

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its just looking useless at this point

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fuck it dont need a web interface just a ip routing table i'll do everything from the console port

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all this is really acting as is a interface between 2 routers and for my main traffic the router after this is gonna be my tv

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 7:28 PM

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So you want to give up on manament but instead setup routing? Mean good luck but if you are just connecting routers leave it defaulted and just attach them to the switch

void oracle Jun 14, 2019, 7:29 PM

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nah im gonna do management

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just from the console port

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saying fuck setting up the web interface

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just gonna do everything from the console port like that you

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like you said

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get my aunt to help me maybe with web interface she does it professionally for cloud routers

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 7:30 PM

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I wasn't trying to be harsh about it, but CLI is the only way to go if possible. Even modern equipment web interfaces still suck and are limited

void oracle Jun 14, 2019, 7:30 PM

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but she'll prolly just give me a list of useful commands for cli

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or i might just dive into the help

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and try some things

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Cause i mean resetting it back to factory default is as easy as a button press

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📎 20190601_121415.jpg

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got it for 10 bucks so i mean its great for learning networking

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guy has a second one 3 layer with nat i might try and stack

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and make into a router it self

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biggest thing is that i needed sfp for my routing before my oold router because my old rotuer cant handle the traffic

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but my old router sends out the auth signal to bell

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for the tv the internet is just ppoe

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which im planning on handling with a pfsense and off loading to this switch

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 7:42 PM

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Looking at configuration for that switch it seems very similar to Cisco. But again if you want routing you will need to learn to create SVIs and add the vlan to a port

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Also not sure how well it can route but don't be surprised if it craps out when routing

void oracle Jun 14, 2019, 10:06 PM

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Maybe I mean it is a 3 layer switch just not too sure on making an svi

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So it has basic 3 layer up routing

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Ip

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 10:14 PM

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@void oracle You need am SVI to do routing on a switch. It's where you create an interface for a vlan that can utilize layer 3.
Without it you cannot route because there is nothing to route

little schooner Jun 14, 2019, 10:23 PM

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@hollow marlin There is something I dislike the most about the Cisco ASA line and thats that there is a strict requirement of setting interfaces in different security vlans

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I mean I tried having two separate networks within the same vlan (default basically), and asa just wouldn't consider it as a "Separate" network port

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it just adds it back into the vlan group of the others, default vlan

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instead of making it its own routed port in the same vlan

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ugh the frustrations.

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Also, I was sure that we had a bugged firmware version because the wizards basically locked out the administrator from cli and webpage management

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like cmon xD

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 10:41 PM

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@little schooner sperate networks under the same vlan are the same network virtually. You cannot have the same vlan on two routed ports. At least not the way you are describing

little schooner Jun 14, 2019, 10:46 PM

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@hollow marlin on pfsense, it works like that. Maybe I described it wrong.

I was wanting, basically, two isolated routed ports. Like how setting up a Cisco 1921 routers g0/1 port to be in 192.168.1.0 and g0/2 in 10.10.10.0/24

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Without telling them vlan ports

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The problem with Asa is that, I guess, it's attached to the switch "bridge" part of it, so it's hard to deattach it or something

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I don't really know

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Because I have a pfsense appliance where it just works. They have two Wan ports, both isolated

clear igloo Jun 14, 2019, 10:48 PM

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You're in bridge mode, or on a 5505 model, you need to be in routed mode and it works just fine

little schooner Jun 14, 2019, 10:48 PM

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@clear igloo that might be it and all this time I probably didn't realize that

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Yes it is 5505 model

clear igloo Jun 14, 2019, 10:49 PM

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Been a long time since I've touched a 5505 but if I remember right it's all bridge mode on that one with some weird configs for routed style to happen with the VLANs

little schooner Jun 14, 2019, 10:49 PM

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Yeah tell me about it

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My teacher was about to throw it in the garbage xD

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@clear igloo thanks for pointing that out. Sometimes it's the little details that slip my mind

hollow marlin Jun 14, 2019, 10:53 PM

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@little schooner that explaintion was better. Sorry didn't know that's what you meant

little schooner Jun 14, 2019, 10:54 PM

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@hollow marlin its okay. I think I didn't explain it right the first time.

waxen scroll Jun 15, 2019, 12:41 AM

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@little schooner so why doesnt dooley trust you admining a corp network?

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banHammer

little schooner Jun 15, 2019, 1:06 AM

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I don't know. But last summer, I helped my college professor basically redo his entire lab network (standard workstation images, new switch configuration, new uplink cables, replaced all fast ethernet equipment, implement distance learning platform) and basically its been running smooth since the August 25th of last year

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Only recently now are we putting together documentation for the network and room

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He was so busy teaching like 4 courses and doing workstations in the new lab

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Now the school is basically making crazy money because the class sizes have grown and our systems are more capable to teach things like forensics, ethical hack, info assurance and Cisco netacad with all our VM templates

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So, there can't be a way that I wouldn't know what I was doing if we got all this success just from one summers of work

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On top of that, we did a proposal for new equipment and thanks to the diagram and problem descriptions I put together, they approved our purchase of 30 new Intel 8700 workstations without issue.

hollow marlin Jun 15, 2019, 1:23 AM

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@little schooner don't worry you don't need to prove yourself man

little schooner Jun 15, 2019, 1:29 AM

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@hollow marlin thanks

strange silo Jun 15, 2019, 4:10 AM

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@little schooner What did you do for distance learning?

little schooner Jun 15, 2019, 4:32 AM

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@strange silo We paid for and implemented a commerical solution that makes it possible to run virtual environments over an https web browser connection. It was to reduce the cost of course to students and offer more courses to teach. Now basically online versions of more physical hardware type classes can run during the summer and on students low end computer hardware

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And it is scheduled on demand. They can reserve a time to do the lab and activities and submit it in for grading.

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I was happy because now more students can join the program

unreal wedge Jun 15, 2019, 4:33 AM

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So VNC like with a hypervisor... that you can download for free...

little schooner Jun 15, 2019, 4:34 AM

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@unreal wedge not quite. All the VM start and reset is automated too.

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They just click start reservation and the back end takes care of the rest

unreal wedge Jun 15, 2019, 4:34 AM

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So again, what I said before, but with a boot script.

little schooner Jun 15, 2019, 4:34 AM

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Nope. Not even quite

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With snapshots

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Look, the people who will benefit from using it is more important than how it works

unreal wedge Jun 15, 2019, 4:35 AM

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🚶 🚪 💨 so again...

little schooner Jun 15, 2019, 4:37 AM

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@unreal wedge This summer, we can start pushing the next phase of project and enable physical routers and switches to also be configured and worked with over https

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So ccna over entirely https connection in your favorite web browser

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Its a learning tool for the students. Now they don't need to buy the gear. It is accessible anytime anywhere

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Don't you see how it saves them money?

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@strange silo but yeah that's what I did. So the college has a few more options on courses to offer during semesters.

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But at a significant lower cost

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Since the labs are also included

strange silo Jun 15, 2019, 10:01 AM

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@little schooner VMware Horizon (View old name), Citrix XenDesktop or something else cheaper?

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As a whole we have about 15k distance students but most of those are not Computer Science courses or ones that don't require labs etc. When they do require labs the distance students travel in for block course and do them in a bulk session.

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We're in the middle of moving from VDI pilot to wide scale usage, VMware Horizon, but that's a more general thing than catered to a course etc and doesn't address situation of interfacing with lab equipment very well.

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Licensing is also easier this way too as you can use site per seat licensing and not have to work out some more complicated student personal device scheme

waxen scroll Jun 15, 2019, 1:36 PM

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all ive seen used for that is citrix

waxen scroll Jun 15, 2019, 2:17 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/c0o3p6/potential_employer_asking_for_salary_but/

r/personalfinance - Potential Employer Asking for Salary, but Unwi...

204 votes and 102 comments so far on Reddit

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yikes

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i swore this was r/sysadmin for a second

thick minnow Jun 15, 2019, 2:58 PM

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Is it possible to connect 3 devices to a Gigabit network switch (5-port) and achieve full speed assuming your ISP is also gigabit?

subtle glen Jun 15, 2019, 2:59 PM

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yeah

waxen scroll Jun 15, 2019, 3:01 PM

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i mean.... it depends on the switch

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ive never looked into what tiny switches can handle

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just cause all ports are gig doesnt mean all ports get gig

subtle glen Jun 15, 2019, 3:02 PM

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lol i brought an 8 port gigabit switch at work to work on more pc's simultaneously and filled all the ports. i was like downloading 200 GB ISO on each pc

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the lights were blinking like crazy

hollow marlin Jun 15, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Unmanaged small switches are all hardware based and can run full speed, but with still a a single uplknk, it's limited to a gig

thick minnow Jun 15, 2019, 3:16 PM

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@waxen scroll TP-Link TL-SG1005D (or get something more expensive)

subtle glen Jun 15, 2019, 3:17 PM

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like the TP-Link TL-SG105

hollow marlin Jun 15, 2019, 3:20 PM

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With unmanaged switches it honestly doesn't matter

thick minnow Jun 15, 2019, 5:47 PM

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YeEEEEt

thick minnow Jun 15, 2019, 6:48 PM

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any local vancouverites in #networking ?

fresh copper Jun 15, 2019, 6:50 PM

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I live pretty close

waxen scroll Jun 15, 2019, 6:53 PM

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RIP target is down globally

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pour one out for their server admin

hollow marlin Jun 15, 2019, 7:02 PM

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@waxen scroll server admin will just blame the network and not do anything

waxen scroll Jun 15, 2019, 7:02 PM

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yep

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at a previous job there was an escalation procedure for dealing with server people blaming the network

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i took that procedure and wrote a document with 30 questions on it. if a server admin did it properly, it would take 2-3 weeks to fill out

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it weeded out the people who didnt want to check their shit almost completely

unreal wedge Jun 15, 2019, 7:04 PM

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2-3 weeks lol

waxen scroll Jun 15, 2019, 7:04 PM

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yeah... it was asking for stuff like visios of their environment, among other annoying things

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many people didnt want to do it

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i would also need to do bullshit myself if they did manage to complete the document

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trace route, check every damn path it takes for errors/port issues/QoS issues

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the people it gets escalated to were super anal about all this stuff being checked or known

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once you blow a week wiresharking only to find out it was a duplex half or congested port all along, you'll never do it again

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😄

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@hollow marlin not sure about you but the companies i work for almost always have between 1-4 people whose sole job it is to work with taps, SPAN, wireshark, etc all damn day

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theres that much network blame going on

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its not my favorite thing to do.... its so open ended

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and sometimes you just find 0 wrong in the packets and then its... now what?

hollow marlin Jun 15, 2019, 7:20 PM

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Only worked for ISPs so not the case for me. But I know of friends that have similar situations

thick minnow Jun 15, 2019, 7:21 PM

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I spend 24/7 on wireshark

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I even have it open now 😃

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tried and true when you send tcpdump over ssh/netcat piped into wireshark

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wireshark is great for testing firewalls and latency issues

waxen scroll Jun 15, 2019, 7:31 PM

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i just installed our 30th port aggregator for taps

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if only they would put that money towards my bonus

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those damn things are like $30-40k

clear igloo Jun 15, 2019, 7:34 PM

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Just buy NaaS, plug all the cables into the cloud and be done, LUL

waxen scroll Jun 15, 2019, 7:35 PM

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HAH HAH.

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you laugh, but....

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we have a business unit who is asking for VoIP in azure

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theres no QoS in azure.

clear igloo Jun 15, 2019, 7:35 PM

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lol

waxen scroll Jun 15, 2019, 7:36 PM

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and this isnt for internal phones, this is call center

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bad quality in a call center? hmmmm

fresh copper Jun 15, 2019, 9:55 PM

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They said that the Target thing was a network issue but from the info I have, it was probably more likely an application/database issue

hollow marlin Jun 15, 2019, 10:12 PM

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Not a surprise. Like I said the sysadmins just blame the network

stable crest Jun 15, 2019, 10:15 PM

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So I have a Catalyst 3750 PoE - 24 and I set it up using express setup but I can't figure out how to configure my PC to connect to it to access the interface again.

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📎 IMG_20190615_163746.jpg

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📎 IMG_20190615_163755.jpg

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Please help

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Btw the default gateway and up address both start with 172

hollow marlin Jun 15, 2019, 10:17 PM

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Just set your PC to 172.16.16.25 with a mask of 255.255.255.0 and just go to 172.16.16.50

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You can plug into any of the 24 ports

stable crest Jun 15, 2019, 10:19 PM

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Ok

waxen scroll Jun 15, 2019, 10:23 PM

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In retail network isn't allowed to make changes during the day like that, so IDK if I believe that

stable crest Jun 15, 2019, 10:23 PM

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Oh maybe my Linux install I had was corrupt because with windows it's doing dhvp correctly

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It still took me back to express setup

stable crest Jun 15, 2019, 11:18 PM

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Ok it won't stop going to express setup

hollow marlin Jun 15, 2019, 11:32 PM

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Setup through CLI instead.

stable crest Jun 15, 2019, 11:35 PM

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Wdym

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I'm trying to download the network assistant software but you have to be a business to do that so I can't..

hollow marlin Jun 15, 2019, 11:38 PM

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Don't bother with that. Look up a video on YouTube for the 3750 and setup with console. There is no point on wasting time with softeare

stable crest Jun 15, 2019, 11:38 PM

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Ok

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I just wanted this to be easy😭 😭 😂 🙄 😑

hollow marlin Jun 15, 2019, 11:39 PM

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It's works out of the box without manangement. What are you trying to setup?

stable crest Jun 15, 2019, 11:41 PM

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Just trying to learn and see all the features

hollow marlin Jun 15, 2019, 11:42 PM

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The configuration guide is 1350 pages. Nothing you can just learn from the GUI

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It's a popular switch so you can find a lot of information on them

stable crest Jun 15, 2019, 11:43 PM

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I just don't understand why it likes express configuration sooo much

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I did read some of the guide and followed it

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Idk I might try the 2009 model I have too

hollow marlin Jun 15, 2019, 11:43 PM

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Like I said don't bother with gui

waxen scroll Jun 15, 2019, 11:44 PM

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yep. nobody enables GUI in the real world

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and if it is enabled its freaking useless

stable crest Jun 15, 2019, 11:45 PM

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Ugh this is why network is boring for me lol

hollow marlin Jun 15, 2019, 11:46 PM

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Don't base networking off just that

stable crest Jun 15, 2019, 11:47 PM

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I mean it's cool but it's just less exciting

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Except for the flashing lights on large switches lol

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I'm not going to probably be keeping the switches because they only support 100mb connections

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What would you recommend though for a small home network with servers that is also rack mountable

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Also preferably 2 sfp+ or something to that effect for connection between main PC and nas

waxen scroll Jun 15, 2019, 11:57 PM

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an edge switch lite

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unless you need 10G, then... lol

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oh looks like the 48 port version does have 2x 10G

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i only have the 24

stable crest Jun 16, 2019, 12:03 AM

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1gbps would be enough for a nas probably?

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Or do you think that could be a bottle neck

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I would be using SSD's as a cache

hollow marlin Jun 16, 2019, 12:23 AM

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It's going to bottleneck when transferring files but not when streaming

thick minnow Jun 16, 2019, 12:42 AM

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🤔

stable crest Jun 16, 2019, 12:49 AM

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Mmmk

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$400 is little bit much...

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Maybe a sfp to sfp thing separate.. idk

waxen scroll Jun 16, 2019, 2:57 AM

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$400 is a steal

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Cisco will sell you the same for $3000

thick minnow Jun 16, 2019, 3:39 AM

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Random question, but you know how people have car meets and such like that? Anyone know of a meet up got tech and networking enthusiasts? I want to find others in my area to discuss what's going on and maybe study for certs together.

stable crest Jun 16, 2019, 4:18 AM

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LTX?

thick minnow Jun 16, 2019, 6:06 AM

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I was thinking locally (Arizona, USA area)

fresh copper Jun 16, 2019, 6:16 AM

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NANOG exists for networking professionals but it’s not really what you are looking for I would day

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I just met people in my area though various networking discords where I eventually happened to find two people near me

thick minnow Jun 16, 2019, 6:23 AM

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Hm. I see. I'll look and see what I can find. Maybe a city subreddit could help

waxen scroll Jun 16, 2019, 2:50 PM

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im pretty sure nanog is niche

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if you dont work for an ISP its not for you

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the topics that concern ISPs and enterprises are different

fresh copper Jun 16, 2019, 6:24 PM

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NANOG is definitely just for people who work at ISPs or are otherwise affiliated with ASs

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Here are some recent topics from the mainling list

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waxen scroll Jun 16, 2019, 7:44 PM

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hey! thats me. i got an ASN

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ping

fresh copper Jun 16, 2019, 7:54 PM

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That’s also me which is why I’m on the mailing list

little schooner Jun 17, 2019, 2:56 AM

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If this switch is going to be in a single rack cabinet with other switches and uplinking to them, what sfp+ module should I get? I haven't used those ports or modules before.

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Like there are a lot of them but I don't know which one is best for my situation

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Here's more

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drowsy fossil Jun 17, 2019, 3:53 AM

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fiber you have to be a bit more careful about

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but it seems to me that you just get the length you need

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like all you need is a pair of the same modules

little schooner Jun 17, 2019, 4:21 AM

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@drowsy fossil hmm. Also, what is the difference between twinax and active optical included? Twinax is the shortest one to use?

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Since they will be really close to each other, I think 0.5m would work

drowsy fossil Jun 17, 2019, 4:23 AM

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isnt twinax copper?

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yea im pretty sure twinax is copper

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if copper can handle your needs personally id go for that

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but if you think youll need to expand later on get the opticals

little schooner Jun 17, 2019, 4:46 AM

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Hmm okay. Yeah this is all new to me.

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Eventually it will connect to an adjacent lab

drowsy fossil Jun 17, 2019, 4:48 AM

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adjacent like throught a wall?

little schooner Jun 17, 2019, 4:48 AM

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@drowsy fossil yes

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Also omg

📎 Screenshot_20190617-004839_Chrome.jpg

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Man the cable alone is more than used car

drowsy fossil Jun 17, 2019, 4:49 AM

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if you can get premade copper that is long enough, do that

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and thats not the cable is it?

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thats a tranceiver

little schooner Jun 17, 2019, 4:49 AM

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No I was just looking at the high price

drowsy fossil Jun 17, 2019, 4:49 AM

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i mean

little schooner Jun 17, 2019, 4:50 AM

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Well we would need transceiver and cable

drowsy fossil Jun 17, 2019, 4:50 AM

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thats meant for one end of between 35 and 50kms
(depending on the cable)

little schooner Jun 17, 2019, 4:50 AM

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We don't have either

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Yeah that's pretty incredible

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That distance

drowsy fossil Jun 17, 2019, 4:50 AM

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single mode is unnecessary for you

little schooner Jun 17, 2019, 4:50 AM

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Yeah

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For long hauls basically

drowsy fossil Jun 17, 2019, 4:50 AM

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see if you can get sfp+ direct attach cables

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cause thats even cheaper

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oop seems like twinax is your copper direct attach cables

little schooner Jun 17, 2019, 4:51 AM

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Yeah that's what I see

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$76 ish for 0.5m

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And uh

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$87 for 1m

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For direct attached cable

drowsy fossil Jun 17, 2019, 4:52 AM

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😬

little schooner Jun 17, 2019, 4:53 AM

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But if I'm just connecting rooms

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That should be enough?

drowsy fossil Jun 17, 2019, 4:53 AM

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yep

little schooner Jun 17, 2019, 4:53 AM

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It's literally like 4 feet from each door

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To the right

drowsy fossil Jun 17, 2019, 4:53 AM

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well,
can you drill holes in the walls?

little schooner Jun 17, 2019, 4:54 AM

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Not yet. We need to wait for grant money to fund that project

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It was supposed to be tore down completely and make it one giant room

drowsy fossil Jun 17, 2019, 4:54 AM

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ah nice

little schooner Jun 17, 2019, 4:54 AM

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That's the goal anyway

drowsy fossil Jun 17, 2019, 4:54 AM

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well either way
avoid fiber
has a bunch of limitations for installing it properly

little schooner Jun 17, 2019, 4:55 AM

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In the interim, it will be connected via switches in each room

drowsy fossil Jun 17, 2019, 4:55 AM

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unless you want to spend the time and become a cfot, just grab the copper schiz

little schooner Jun 17, 2019, 4:55 AM

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Mind if I ask what's one of the limitation?

drowsy fossil Jun 17, 2019, 4:55 AM

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biggest is bend radius

little schooner Jun 17, 2019, 4:55 AM

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Oh right because it's glass core

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That's hard to like bend

drowsy fossil Jun 17, 2019, 4:55 AM

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even if the cable doesnt break, if you bend the cable too far the light escapes bc physics

little schooner Jun 17, 2019, 4:56 AM

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That I didn't think about

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Hmm

drowsy fossil Jun 17, 2019, 4:56 AM

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all the fiber ive dealt with can be bent back on itself, but you wont get any signal through, and not understand why

little schooner Jun 17, 2019, 4:57 AM

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Yeah. Really it will be me and my professor running the cable above the tiles

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I don't think we would do it carefully the first try lol

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The way we have our ethernet now is bending along the floor with table legs, corners and all that stuff

drowsy fossil Jun 17, 2019, 4:58 AM

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if its a cheap tranceiver you will see the light escaping the cable

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lmao yea no you cant do that with fiber

little schooner Jun 17, 2019, 4:58 AM

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Hahaha

drowsy fossil Jun 17, 2019, 4:59 AM

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single mode can have a bend radius of up to 3-4 feet/90 degrees

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multimode is much smaller

little schooner Jun 17, 2019, 4:59 AM

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Oh man you should see our uplink cable before. It was literally going like 45 degrees upwards toward the ceiling

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Anyone can pull it

drowsy fossil Jun 17, 2019, 4:59 AM

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😬

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yea go with the copper sfp connectors

little schooner Jun 17, 2019, 5:00 AM

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k. Thanks for the help

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We are starting this project tomorrow so it should be fun

drowsy fossil Jun 17, 2019, 5:00 AM

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yea glhf

strange silo Jun 17, 2019, 6:43 AM

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@little schooner Not sure if you have your answer but if the two network devices are in the same cabinet use Twinax Direct Attached Copper (DAC)

outer nexus Jun 17, 2019, 11:03 AM

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Hi all. Because of lots of lightning strikes the past couple of weeks and my servers and CCTV is now online 24/7. I need to protect it, cant take it offline every time there is higher risk of lightning.

I have looked at a powerwalker AVR 1500/SIV (1500VA 1200W)

Protection:
Surge Rating 312J
Over-voltage, Under-voltage, Over-heat, Over-current, Surge, Spike Suppression

Anyone know of issues or reasons not to buy the powerwalker AVR 1500 for this?

hollow marlin Jun 17, 2019, 12:04 PM

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@little schooner if you go fiber always buy the sfp from fs.com, nevermind buying first party

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@outer nexus we use APCs widely and have few issues with them. Yes it's more expensive but I would be worried a out eh powerwalker with it's reviews

outer nexus Jun 17, 2019, 12:21 PM

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@hollow marlin THanks. I will see if i can find a APC at a reasonable price instead : )

waxen scroll Jun 17, 2019, 12:28 PM

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Unless you need production support @hollow marlin

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Cisco will tell you no in some cases

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Any vendor who sells SFP for their gear will probably try to pull that

hollow marlin Jun 17, 2019, 12:40 PM

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That's why you negotiate it in your support contact or have a used first party to swap in during support

waxen scroll Jun 17, 2019, 1:57 PM

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@clear igloo you people

clear igloo Jun 17, 2019, 1:59 PM

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At least we don't charge you a license fee to use unsupported SFPs

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😛

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And yes, there are vendors who do that

thick minnow Jun 17, 2019, 2:09 PM

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I’m still here.

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I’m still part of the LTT Discord community, kind of.

clear igloo Jun 17, 2019, 2:12 PM

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Who are you? 😛

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Kidding

little schooner Jun 17, 2019, 2:17 PM

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Is the twinax cable easy to hide or cable manage? I'm thinking it's like this stiff copper cable

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@hollow marlin actually, I want a PoE switch from fs.com. From what I read online, their switches are pretty good

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But that's cool they sell the cables too

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@thick minnow 👋

clear igloo Jun 17, 2019, 2:29 PM

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@waxen scroll Will tell you all about the hell of twinax 😄

waxen scroll Jun 17, 2019, 4:15 PM

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Let me tell you about the horrors of a token ring to 100mb conversion

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🖕

waxen scroll Jun 17, 2019, 9:59 PM

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everyone congraduate @little schooner for figuring out split DNS on a ubiquiti

waxen scroll Jun 17, 2019, 10:15 PM

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X 👏 E ❤ O linusPerfect N HYPERS

clear igloo Jun 17, 2019, 10:23 PM

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Give me an X
Give me an E
Give me an O
Give me an N
What's that spell?
Xena, warrior princess!!!

fresh copper Jun 17, 2019, 10:23 PM

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Token ring was a really great solution but I’m so happy that we don’t have to deal with it anymore though there are ways that you could simulate one

waxen scroll Jun 17, 2019, 10:24 PM

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one of my jobs kept all the token wiring and used adapters to RJ-45

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they kept it that way for a lonnnnng time

little schooner Jun 17, 2019, 11:19 PM

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Today we ended up not doing too much because IT department people were holding our workstation equipment, handling the labeling and serial number grabbing stuff

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But they were gone for hours and we were stuck waiting for them. It was 5pm and no one answered us back so

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Ughh we could of gotten more done

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I was told IT department wanted to change our order to get systems that they had in the other classrooms. Basically they hated our config how it was better (I guess) or maybe they wanted total control over our labs assets

waxen scroll Jun 17, 2019, 11:31 PM

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its cause they would have to make a new image

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when i got my non-standard computer it took forever to go through desktop

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 12:01 AM

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Ahh true. But you think that even with an enterprise solution, such as Dell KACE, it would still take as long?

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I've never used it myself but that it what they use to roll out everything

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Also, when ended up happening with the room next door, they told him that a computer hardware course with two students is going to run. It's strange, but once that is done, he can claim usage rights to the adjacent room

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We decided one room is networking courses and the other room is for cyber security stuff

zinc minnow Jun 18, 2019, 12:29 AM

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Hi guys, I'm looking for a new router, and I can't decide whether to get the TP-Link Archer C1200 AC1200 or ASUS RT-AC57U AC1200.
The ASUS router has 4 antennas, but didn't get any firmware (vulnerability, etc.) updates like the other versions since it got released. The TP-Link has 3 antennas, and as far as I know they might be more vulnerable. I would really appreciate some opinions. Which one would be the best choice? Thank you for your help.

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 12:58 AM

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I like the quality of the asus routers. They never let me down a single time. I would go with the ASUS one

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There is merlin firmware that you can flash onto it if the current official firmware is no longer getting any updates

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:10 AM

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har har

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i have the opposite experience Xeon

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i had an asus before i went UBNT and went through 2 RMAs for an issue where the 5Ghz barely worked

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:15 AM

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Oh. Well the models I bought were the ac66u and the ac87u and those worked for a long time

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:15 AM

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mine was ac66u

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:15 AM

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I think the only consumer router I ever had problems with was a DGL-4500

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that thing was nasty

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:15 AM

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the first RMA it was clear they plugged it in, went OMG it works right now. and shipped it back

pseudo blade Jun 18, 2019, 1:15 AM

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I've never really had a good experience with any consumer router I've had to use.

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:15 AM

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same S/N

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:16 AM

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@waxen scroll yeah it happens i suppose

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@pseudo blade I literally bought the cheapest TP link router for my sister and its been on for 2 years straight

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:16 AM

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once i went UBNT, no issues with wifi or router

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:16 AM

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same

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:16 AM

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thats mean on your sister

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:16 AM

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I never had issue with ubnt

pseudo blade Jun 18, 2019, 1:16 AM

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As in... they generally work...

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:17 AM

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@waxen scroll my sister wanted something cheap i guess

pseudo blade Jun 18, 2019, 1:17 AM

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Just that's about it, and good luck configuring it to do anything of interest or value.

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:17 AM

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she did pay for it

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@pseudo blade yeah its too limited for me

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I had to ditch consumer stuff

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prosumer stuff like ubnt is better

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or is it enterprise lite??

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:p

pseudo blade Jun 18, 2019, 1:18 AM

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If I had genuine performance requirements rather than 50mbps being the fastest connection I interact with on a daily basis, I'd build my own router. All home networking stuff is presently being done via router-on-a-stick off a 10/100 ethernet port.

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:18 AM

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right. its like what my teacher has in his house

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He has two gamer kids that bring down his internet all the time

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hehe those kids on fortnite

pseudo blade Jun 18, 2019, 1:19 AM

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It's a Mikrotik Groove with a dead radio.

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:19 AM

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my teacher uses one of those cisco asa 5505s

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the one with fast ethernet

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:20 AM

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i have 5 users doing multiple streams and crap... i dont put in QoS, everything is fine. gaming shouldnt take that much data

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:20 AM

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He mentioned they stream too

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but that was very brief

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Id have to ask him again.

pseudo blade Jun 18, 2019, 1:20 AM

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The ASA 5505's... I didn't really think much of them during CCNAS, but I guess it isn't 2006 anymore :P

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:21 AM

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He has a spare in the lab so he yolo'd it or something

pseudo blade Jun 18, 2019, 1:22 AM

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I'd probably still prefer a 5505 over their new ISR's... The bandwidth license limitations are insulting at the price points they offer them at.

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:23 AM

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i once had a comcast installer putting in my new internet service (2013) try to upsell me on 100mbit (i was getting 50) and his reasoning was that i was a gamer and it would work so much better. Then i asked him "ok, but games need low latency not high bandwidth... right?"

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he looked at me with a blank face

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:23 AM

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I like to do that too

pseudo blade Jun 18, 2019, 1:23 AM

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It'd help if everyone else on the network was saturating the 50mbps.

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:23 AM

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in fact, at&t tried to trick me and said that "Fiber line runs all the way to your home" for the internet connection

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:24 AM

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the biggest hog of a game ive seen was minecraft at a whopping 5mbit/s on an unoptimized server

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:24 AM

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instead what he really meant was, it stops at the street corner then is like dsl line for the last mile

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:24 AM

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pretty sure other games dont come close

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:24 AM

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so he tried to lie to me that my connection would be all fiber

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because at the time, I was playing Crossfire FPS game, and i wanted low latency

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:24 AM

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this is why line techs should just shut up

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the sales people are worse tho

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they REALLY dont know what they're talking about

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:25 AM

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mhmm

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I was told by a technician that I could have two modems in use with a single subscription to comcast

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over the phone.

pseudo blade Jun 18, 2019, 1:25 AM

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Oh really?

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:26 AM

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comcast sales moved to this stupid pricing model where they ask you how many people/devices you have then when you count it the only obvious answer to sales is 100mbit+ .... BRO, im not having 20 devices do 4k netflix at the same time

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:26 AM

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yes. then when they came, they said they couldn't do such a thing unless i buy business subscription

pseudo blade Jun 18, 2019, 1:26 AM

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Sounds like you need to start recording this stuff and using it to punish Comcast a bit.

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:26 AM

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like oisjadfoijfaoejfoejwf

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liars

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yeah I do

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well, now we have cameras at the home so

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if they ever come back again. yeah

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They are quick to say "its not our job to run ethernet cable" and put the responsibility for an electrician

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but the phone support says they do cable installs like that

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so much conflicting information

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:28 AM

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yeah i looked it up and it seems like they dont. i have 4 wires that need to be put in

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i hired a local major electronics store to do it

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:29 AM

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I definitely need to get it done. Mainly, I want them to run some outside so I can attach an AP via hardwired there

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Some inside my room would be great too

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:29 AM

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an electrician wanted $900, a networking company wanted $700

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the electronics store wanted $300

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:31 AM

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This was the most one technician could do for basic room to room ethernet

📎 20190617_213017.jpg

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:31 AM

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keep in mind thats with MY parts... i already ran the wires

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someone needs to drop them in the walls from the attic

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:31 AM

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Strange how they didn't use a keystone

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@waxen scroll but this, I have no idea why the technician did this with the ethernet cables

📎 20190617_213239.jpg

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:33 AM

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rofl

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fired.

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those look like pre terminated too, but if they are, how did they fit

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:33 AM

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I honestly have no idea

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I just gave him cable and he said he would run it with the coax cable or something

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It's incredible how they managed to fit like 5 cables through that single ethernet jack hole

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Yeah that's how it supposed to be done

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I wish someone could do that for me cheaply

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:35 AM

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it took for freaking ever cause i only had one box

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:36 AM

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If it were me, I'd run everything back down to the basement

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:36 AM

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in commercial you run 8 at a time

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im not paying 8 boxes

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😄

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:37 AM

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Yeah that expensive

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Also my switch and router stuff is currently on a wire rack

📎 20190617_213644.jpg

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:38 AM

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this is my best house work so far. the other house i did was when i was in school and didnt know better.... wires all over, switches all over. jacks werent central

pseudo blade Jun 18, 2019, 1:38 AM

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Wrong kind of rack :P

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:38 AM

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@pseudo blade wish I'd knew that earlier

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Well it's holding a computer tower too

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Above it

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@pseudo blade

📎 20190617_213856.jpg

pseudo blade Jun 18, 2019, 1:39 AM

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The drive cages look nice. Were they expensive?

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:39 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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my ghetto label system

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keystone, BABY!

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:40 AM

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@pseudo blade uh they are by Silverstone

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Like $80

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@waxen scroll hey, I got no labeling so you got it easier than me

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@pseudo blade they have locks and stuff

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I like it

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:41 AM

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someones gonna buy my house and just royally fuck all this up

pseudo blade Jun 18, 2019, 1:41 AM

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That photo's super blurry. Are they all coax or are those just screw terminals?

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:42 AM

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thats speakers in a couple rooms that a previous owner put in and never wired. i put the wires into jacks

pseudo blade Jun 18, 2019, 1:42 AM

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Ah. Thought that looked strange.

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:42 AM

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That's neat

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:43 AM

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this pic is when i didnt live there yet. i was wiring it before moving in. so the other wires are a receiver i brought with for music

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:43 AM

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@pseudo blade do they even sell cabinets or racks that a tower like mine could fit in and have space to rack mount the switch?

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The only reason it's on wire rack was because it was easily adjustable in height

pseudo blade Jun 18, 2019, 1:45 AM

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Well the tower's not going to fit into a rack easily, you'd have it on a shelf in there anyways, so no real benefit.

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I was mostly joking about the rack anyways.

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:45 AM

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This room that its in is super tight

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like not enough space between it and the bed

pseudo blade Jun 18, 2019, 1:46 AM

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There's a guy I know that runs a rackmount server under his bed.

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:46 AM

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that guy is nuts

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:46 AM

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that wont be me anytime soon xD

pseudo blade Jun 18, 2019, 1:46 AM

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That guy is nuts, yes.

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:47 AM

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📎 20190617_214649.jpg

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Comcast did the black wire and att the white

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Ugh they do it so messy

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:47 AM

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LOL

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did they just drill through the siding?

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:47 AM

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Yep

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They did

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:47 AM

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RIP

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:47 AM

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It's stupid

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They can't even do it right from the attic

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:48 AM

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yeah cause its a bitch to do an attic

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:48 AM

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Heh honestly that is so true

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:49 AM

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why do you think im hiring my work out?

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its just plain annoying and not safe

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normally I'd laugh you out of the room if you wanted $100+ to run wire i already put 5-10' away from the wall it needs to go in

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i have a fancy roof

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so that means its extra bullshit to dodge

hollow marlin Jun 18, 2019, 2:05 AM

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Whats a "fancy roof"

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 2:48 AM

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It's not /\ the whole way. There's a few sections. Some of them overlap other roof lines

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📎 37ae72d446bf9763ca089425ee025ebf.jpg

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Stuff like that

broken cosmos Jun 18, 2019, 6:56 AM

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@little schooner yo tf is wrong with those companies?

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Jesus. I looked at the other pics too. Wtf is wrong with ISP peeps

west hornet Jun 18, 2019, 11:13 AM

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What is the name of this ISP buildings again? where you have all this racks and switches?

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 11:26 AM

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Central office, carrier hotel, datacenter. Take your pick

broken cosmos Jun 18, 2019, 11:33 AM

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I wanna go there one time

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 12:05 PM

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@broken cosmos honestly, I wanna get it all redone . Properly from the attic all the way down to the basement.

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And buy a cabinet rack to put all the equipment in and make sure each room has at least one ethernet jack

broken cosmos Jun 18, 2019, 12:16 PM

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Those cables that came out of the wall? Are they just cables directly attached to a PC or something?

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 12:45 PM

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@little schooner how many floors?

stable crest Jun 18, 2019, 12:51 PM

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@little schooner how good is the edge router and does it have threat protection

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/description and analysis of web traffic

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 12:55 PM

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its good because it doesnt have threat protection

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 12:55 PM

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@waxen scroll 2 floors and a basement
@broken cosmos When the technician said he could run the bundle of ethernet cable through the hole in that one room, yes, they were for multiple different equipment

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@stable crest I use it with its built in firewall rules and it serves me fine

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Nothing special needed

stable crest Jun 18, 2019, 12:56 PM

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Mm I like UTM software

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 12:56 PM

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@little schooner OOF. you'll want to open drywall all the way up and put in a nice fat PVC pipe

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one and done

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 12:57 PM

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@waxen scroll absolutely

stable crest Jun 18, 2019, 12:57 PM

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I just took the coax cables and removed the keystone and put in rj-45

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Made it really nice to have most of the stuff there

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 12:57 PM

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@broken cosmos basically the picture shows the last room where all the cables pass and connect to the switch

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 12:58 PM

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the builder put in a PVC in my house. i accidently found it one day and was like "huh. i wonder what this is for"

broken cosmos Jun 18, 2019, 12:58 PM

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Stab the technician. He doesn't deserve to live 😄

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But atleast itself slightly cleaner looking that what i have in my room

stable crest Jun 18, 2019, 12:59 PM

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📎 IMG_20190615_175124__01.jpg

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 12:59 PM

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That was all the technician could do for me

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Isp Comcast

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I wasn't expecting magic

broken cosmos Jun 18, 2019, 12:59 PM

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From all the way downstairs to upstairs is hidden within the wall or tucked up in a corner.
But when it enters my room. It just comes out the wall and feeds directly into a small switch

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:00 PM

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I know one drop spot in the basement where a cabinet can fit and everything can be hidden

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That autocorrect was awful

stable crest Jun 18, 2019, 1:01 PM

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📎 IMG_20190529_113739.jpg

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:01 PM

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oof

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:01 PM

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Hmm

broken cosmos Jun 18, 2019, 1:02 PM

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If i ever move out. I'll try to do my best with the etherner cables going to every room

stable crest Jun 18, 2019, 1:02 PM

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I want to do that too even though it's uneccesarry

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:03 PM

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after tomorrow ill have cables in every room except bathrooms, living room, dining room

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no need for those

stable crest Jun 18, 2019, 1:03 PM

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Pffft

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No you definitely need connections there

broken cosmos Jun 18, 2019, 1:04 PM

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Also, now that I'm in a networking related channel. How can i make a router work as if were to be the one that's all the way downstairs?
Specifically asking because our Sonos Boost is connected downstairs. And I'm all the way up stairs. The wifi from downstairs just doesn't cut it. So we placed another router upstairs. But Sonos doesn't work on that router

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:05 PM

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its all standard, why wouldnt sonos work

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does anything else work?

broken cosmos Jun 18, 2019, 1:05 PM

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Huh?

stable crest Jun 18, 2019, 1:14 PM

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1x custom built Sophos-XG router
1x 24 port edge switch lite
1x 8-16 port switch (100mbps)
2x dell r710's
2x wifi ac ap's (unifi perhaps)
1x 10tb nas with raid redundancy and 500gb cache
1x 8tb nas (for steam library no redundancy)
1x patch panel
1x possible expansion

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Would this be good?

broken cosmos Jun 18, 2019, 1:15 PM

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Jesus

stable crest Jun 18, 2019, 1:15 PM

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And or this is my plans eventually so anything that I should change?

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I only have the custom router so far and 1 wifi ap from 2008 but I get 80-90mbps on it

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 1:43 PM

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yep. get a modern server

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if you're using vmware, R710 is end of support soon

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710 is like 6-7 years old now

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 1:52 PM

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@broken cosmos you'd have one main router that leads to the internet and make use of it WAN port to the modem while the router at the bottom of the chain would not have its WAN port in use, just the ethernet bridge ports in use.

The information will then travel between up and down locally

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But you need to make sure that both routers have communication somehow, whether that be they are directly connected or you have additional switches along the path

stable crest Jun 18, 2019, 2:08 PM

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@waxen scroll AMD EPYC?

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 2:09 PM

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personally i might stick with intel but my reasoning for a LAB is to test IT applications and its not uncommon that some say intel chips only

stable crest Jun 18, 2019, 2:10 PM

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My reasoning is to learn and run web servers and other useful things like that

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 2:11 PM

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amd is more cores for less money and more cores goes a long way

stable crest Jun 18, 2019, 2:11 PM

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Yeah

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I'm really liking AMD's CPU's rn

thick minnow Jun 18, 2019, 2:44 PM

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My first ever desktop computer that I used for gaming had an AMD CPU in it.

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AMD PHENOM 2 (some number)995

waxen scroll Jun 18, 2019, 2:56 PM

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my first computer was cyrix

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that i built anyway

broken cosmos Jun 18, 2019, 3:40 PM

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@little schooner can i DM you about this?

little schooner Jun 18, 2019, 4:08 PM

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@broken cosmos sure but I might reply later I am in the middle of some projects at the school

broken cosmos Jun 18, 2019, 4:22 PM

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Aight.

stable crest Jun 19, 2019, 12:23 AM

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fresh copper Jun 19, 2019, 12:51 AM

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Toll-Free Tech Support!

hollow marlin Jun 19, 2019, 12:53 AM

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Supports full duplex. hot damn

stable crest Jun 19, 2019, 2:21 AM

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IKR

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It was a steal at the price of free.

waxen scroll Jun 19, 2019, 2:22 AM

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@little schooner @clear igloo i just had a really ANNOYING issue with N7k route map

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two of us couldnt figure it out

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it was bizarre

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match ip prefix-list one
set delay 100
route-map bgp-to-eigrp permit 20
match ip prefix-list two
set delay 200
route-map bgp-to-eigrp permit 30
match ip prefix-list three four five six seven eight
set delay 1000
route-map bgp-to-eigrp permit 40
match ip prefix-list nine
set delay 100```

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prefix list nine was being set the metrics for line 30

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if i remove line 40, i still see the route nine matches

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if i move nine to line 10, same result ... 30 metric

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if i make a new line, 5, and make it look like 40... issue goes away

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I did show run, i made damn sure the routes in nine werent matched anywhere else

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also i looked and saw the prefix lists being matched werent blank

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gonna try in lab i guess

hollow marlin Jun 19, 2019, 3:57 AM

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@waxen scroll But also you need to post your prefix list because it s a match top-down and also sounds like a bad config because of the match at 5

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Or just a cef bug which I have seen similar symptoms

little schooner Jun 19, 2019, 5:57 AM

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@waxen scroll im not familar with N7k but yeah the behavior sounds like its odd

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@waxen scroll also we hit a big roadblock today in the lab. The cables my professor bought were too short!!

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so we ran everything above the tile ceiling and made both ends visible only to discover that there wasn't enough slack to reach the very front and very back of computers

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We have to return all the wiring and get 75ft wire

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Lastly, CDW wants us to get a Cisco 9200 series switch that is Layer 3 when all we needed is, strictly, a layer 2 switch that would be $1300 vs. the cisco one close to 3k

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obviously they are trying to upsell to us like we dont know what we need

crude ocean Jun 19, 2019, 11:05 AM

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I have set up a powerline network using the TP-LINK AV1300 Gigabit Passthrough Powerline Starter Kit which runs into a switch with a philips hue bridge and a ethernet cable to my computer. However since setting this up it has caused worse performance of my router (it now has a lower bandwith). Does anyone know why it will cause worse performance of my WiFi? And if there is a way to fix this?

hollow marlin Jun 19, 2019, 12:13 PM

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@little schooner don't buy what you don't need. If they keep pushing tell them you're getting quotes eslwhere and they tend to stop

waxen scroll Jun 19, 2019, 12:58 PM

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those 9000 series have screwed up licensing too

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cisco trynna make you PAY in intervals for switch features

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cisco is trying to push those hard and they end up cheaper than the previous generation

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just not when the license renewal comes

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its cisco DNA... SD-LAN

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you cant opt out

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you're gonna purchase some kind of SD-LAN license with a 9000

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for shame @clear igloo

waxen scroll Jun 19, 2019, 1:22 PM

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@crude ocean i have no experience, but my understanding is power line isnt like ethernet where it just works well within distance specs.... lots of stuff in your house could probably hurt you on powerline

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bad wiring, long wiring, whatever

crude ocean Jun 19, 2019, 1:23 PM

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But that still doesn’t explain why the router is performing worse on a wireless connection on other devices the power line to my computer works well

waxen scroll Jun 19, 2019, 1:24 PM

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oh

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and if you plug the power line out it magically works?

sturdy mirage Jun 19, 2019, 1:45 PM

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powerline adapters tend to drop a lot of packets, especially in an environnement where there is high electrical/ electromagnetic noise

crude ocean Jun 19, 2019, 1:53 PM

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Yeah after unplugging the router performance increases again

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I guess I could try to move the router to minimise the interference as it is quite close to another computer

little schooner Jun 19, 2019, 2:47 PM

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@hollow marlin yeah. Also, we happened to get another pfsense hardware box for the room firewall. I didn't know about this purchase

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It's the sg3100

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@waxen scroll come to think of it, the sg3100 is kinda a bad buy because it does not support aes-ni

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So I don't know why it was ordered

hollow marlin Jun 19, 2019, 3:06 PM

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@little schooner yeah I don't know anything about pfsense or hardware you can buy it on.

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Do you need that kind of hardware for the room?

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By that I mean do you need anything more than that.

waxen scroll Jun 19, 2019, 5:52 PM

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@hollow marlin looks like it IS a missing prefix list thats defined in the route-map

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my coworker got tricked when he looked

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a name looked similar

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we'll put the change in soon and see if its the fix

hollow marlin Jun 19, 2019, 6:04 PM

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@waxen scroll 👍good find

thick minnow Jun 19, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Sup folks?

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Imagine if EA sold networking equipment.

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😣

hollow marlin Jun 19, 2019, 8:03 PM

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@thick minnow it would probably be better

little schooner Jun 19, 2019, 8:09 PM

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@hollow marlin well, we only need one that supports AES-NI because netgate was trying to pull a fast one by requiring all future pfsense boxes to have it in order to run future pfsense versions

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They backtracked but I don't know how much longer we have before they require it

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Which would make our platform obsolete

hollow marlin Jun 19, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Why would they make that a requirement?

little schooner Jun 19, 2019, 8:17 PM

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@hollow marlin that's why they backtracked it. They didn't really explain it I think