networking

[pseudo blade]

Tech support should really go in #1027757333117415424

[long scarab]

The DHCP server is an ISP assigned shitbox

[pseudo blade]

That sucks, check the config anyways

[quaint siren]

Hm, Have to look at wifi6 routers since I realized that Quest 2 does not support wifi7

[long scarab]

No MAC filter

[pseudo blade]

Possibly a bad NIC then

[long scarab]

Which end

[pseudo blade]

Or cable

[pseudo blade]

How could I tell lol, troubleshoot it

[long scarab]

Cable's good, my FLUKE tester certified it

[pseudo blade]

Buy a cheap PCIe NIC then

Or try changing ports

[long scarab]

Ahh, yeah that's an issue, I use an ITX build

[pseudo blade]

If APIPA works ethernet link detect works

[long scarab]

I tried changing ports and VLANs, even assigning a trunk to it

I have a feeling that Windows hates me, because WiFi works

[pseudo blade]

I uh can't fix that for you
could use an m.2 or USB one but USB ones kinda suck generally

Or try to do enough testing for a warranty if it's truly dead
Or make peace with WiFi and use it forever

[pseudo blade]

It'd still work as a 2x2 WiFi 6 router

[long scarab]

Uhhh, direct connection works. Probably the FIRST thing I should've tried. User error, how classic

[pseudo blade]

Neato

Glad it works for you now

[long scarab]

Not exactly, it should work with the switch but it's not

Power cycle timee!

[pseudo blade]

Looks like you should troubleshoot your switch

[long scarab]

It's just weird because everything else can connect, soo

Probably looking at a VLAN misconfig

mmmm okay so the switch called out my cable but not the actual certifier

[low gate]

Stupid question so feel free to tell me "don't even think about it" , but my AM4 build only has Gigabit Ethernet, but it does have USB 3.2 Gen 2 (10Gbps). I pay for a 1.5Gbps package but only have access to 1Gbps given my ethernet bottleneck. Would a 2.5Gbe USB adapter on those ports net me the 1.5Gbps I pay for?

Bell Gigahub is great btw

Right in the middle of peaktime in a 70 unit apt building, rocking 1.2Gbps on wifi

Up until now I've just left the other 500mbps to other clients on my network, but it's just me + my partner and I want my games faster lol

[quaint siren]

It can net you that 1.5Gbps yes but are you actually getting the full 1.5Gbps or up to?

[low gate]

Full, I've run at 1.4Gbps on wifi before

old screenshot

[low gate]

They actually overprevision quite a bit, just hit 1.87Gbps from the modems testpage, hits a server about 200km away

I pay for 1.5 down 1 up lol

[quaint siren]

Yea go for it

[low gate]

Sweet tyty. Something TypeC on a type-a adapter would be fine or should I go for something that's straight type-a ?

Type-C would be a nice to have for my launch steamdeck lol

[opal pagoda]

does it have 2.5g ethernet ports?

[opal pagoda]

same thing tbh
if you have type c ports on your pc sure

[karmic marten]

The fucc? What phone, what AP?

[silent flax]

there are also PCIe cards you can buy

[quaint siren]

Got the router, and I'm setting up some channels so it doesn't overlap or do weird stuff while I have ISP one also connected, if it's outside the ISP router channels, I can choose whatever channel?

[orchid shell]

https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/1294852081701752993 can someone help me

[valid quiver]

I ordered parts to build a little zimablade NAS :3 dipping my toes into homelab stuff.

[low gate]

Yup Bell Gigahub has a 2.5Gbe port

[low gate]

Pixel 7 Pro, stock Bell Gigahub https://cdn.mobilesyrup.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Bell-giga-hub-header-scaled.jpg

[karmic marten]

Cheaper than a u 7 pro?

[low gate]

No type C on the computer, just type-A, good ol AM4 didn't have it yet

[low gate]

No can do, mITX build

[opal pagoda]

let me introduce a pro gamer move

[low gate]

Only 1 NVMe slot

[opal pagoda]

do you have a wifi slot free (m.2 key e)

[low gate]

Nope it's populated and shielded

https://www.gigabyte.com/ca/Motherboard/B450-I-AORUS-PRO-WIFI-rev-10#kf

[opal pagoda]

well then
usb A is trully the only option

[low gate]

Sux that mITX boards held their value so well, there's a few available with 2.5Gbe but I'm not spending $200+ on a board for a dead platform 😂

[opal pagoda]

the reason i dislike mini itx

micro atx at the minimum

[low gate]

Eh I needed to fit in my carryon for LTX lol

I fly out from Ontario for them, looking forward to WhaleLAN'25

[opal pagoda]

i belive that proper case could be made that is even smaller with matx

[opal pagoda]

what case is that?

[low gate]

InWin A1 plus, I don't believe it can be smaller lol

Board goes full top to bottom of the case, PSU in the front

3080 with a 5800x for reference, PBO enabled but locked down to 110w, it'll saturate the AIO at 120w

[opal pagoda]

maybe air cooling would be better

[low gate]

Eh default TDP for the 5800x is 105w, I'm just stopping the mobo from going ham

[opal pagoda]

try fliping the fan on the aio to suck in cool air from the back

[low gate]

Would be too much positive pressure, there's 2x 120mm Noctua in the bottom as intake

Solution was this old HDD to have the blow-through of the card go directly to exhaust

[opal pagoda]

3d print airflow guides haha

[low gate]

I've considered it 😂 Would be nice to have something along the bottom to ram the intake air directly into the gpu

[opal pagoda]

where is the psu exausting?

[low gate]

Out the side above that fan

also intaking that pass-through air from the gpu lol

Case has better thermals than the Fractal Focus G it replaced 😛

[silent flax]

you can replace it btw

if i remember correctly

on the full atx version, if you open that shell, it looks like this

[low gate]

Ironically the wifi is faster than the ethernet, I connect to my wifi and get ~1200mbps lol

[low gate]

this wouldn't fit tho, that AIO would interfeer, it goes right up against the IO shield

riser cable?

[opal pagoda]

they are made in various form factors

[low gate]

Do right angle adapters exist for that formfactor? If it's longer than the included it's not gonna fit lol

[opal pagoda]

this is 10g

[low gate]

Still too tall

[silent flax]

but in any case, yes, USB is the easiest opption. using e key wifi NIC is second option for you, if you don't mind removing the wifi module

[opal pagoda]

5gbe

but yea usb is least intrusive in your case

[silent flax]

he needs e-key if he doesn't remove his NVMe drive

[low gate]

ngl I'm open to it, I don't use the wifi and the board is limited on USB ports, plus eww usb ethernet

[silent flax]

you can even see the screw from the back of the board here at bottom of the wifi module

you unscrew 2 screws from the rear of the board, it all comes out and will show you an A/E key wifi M.2 slot

[low gate]

Think I can yank that entire wifi antenna assembly and just put a riser out the case?

[low gate]

full atx looks like this reportedly

[low gate]

w/o those antennas mounted I can just magnet this to the back of the case

[silent flax]

same with mATX

it's literally just 2 screws from the bottom of the motherboard, you unscrew them, that releases the cage, then you have access to the slot

[low gate]

but can I remove these? Would like to passthrough that riser to the back and have no other places to do so

[silent flax]

yes

[low gate]

mITX no empty PCI slots obv, no other openings to get ethernet in

[opal pagoda]

would be real cool if nvidia added melanox card to their gaming gpu-s so you get 10, 25 or even 100 gbe straight out of the gpu

[low gate]

Reminds me of my old ATI all in wonder card

[silent flax]

under the plastic cover at top of the card, you got the other end of those cables. and you can unscrew the golden wifi connectors just by unscrewing it, as long as you hold the assembly with a plier or something, so it is not turning around

[low gate]

GPU, TV tuner and controller hub all in one, bring back multifunctional GPUs lol

[silent flax]

often it even remove the whole assembly in one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4DUIlJYBRc

[low gate]

Oh that's even better lmao, no yanking required!

Beauty I'll get an adapter on order

[silent flax]

just figure out how will you put the connector to be accessible, i did something with an old Z77 ITX board and i just didn't install the rear I/O shield, and the ethernet connector was then just dangling from the back of the system. If you got an unused PCI bracket in the case, you can use that too

but i guess you don't have that

[low gate]

I've got a stack of harddrive magnets, planning on just magneting the ethernet adapter to the back tbh

bleh I keep replying instead of quoting

[silent flax]

for example you could remove that shield above PCI-e slots, that will give you a hole to get the cable out

[low gate]

-squint- do those 2 cables detach from the adapter? Just put them directly out the antenna holes lol

[silent flax]

yes, but i have doubts if they will get through the hole. That wifi antenna hole isn't that big

[low gate]

I'm open to widening them, I have the bit for my drill

IO shield isn't built into the board

[low gate]

beauty yeah looks like that'd work

[silent flax]

the product: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006164255753.html

there is one with Intel if you want that https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007273213520.html

but i think in 2.5 gigabit space, realtek has less issues than intel 😄

[low gate]

Yeah I'll stick realtek 😛 ty I'll get that ordered

[silent flax]

i recommend looking around if there are different designs

(i just linked the first i found)

[low gate]

yolo send it

Less than I'd spend on a usb adapter lmao

idk as a gamer I've just never trusted USB ethernet adapters, something about using USB for ping-sensitive content just doesn't feel right, asking for consistency problems

[orchid shell]

https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/1294852081701752993 can anyone with ethernet experience help me, I've gotten the kit we used to make the cable, i used a diagnostic tester on the cable, i just need to know if the cable is messed up

[quaint siren]

Top one is new router, bottom is isp one. Is this overlapping fine?

[karmic marten]

if you can move either one, its better if it's not overlapping, as this is interference

[tight pecan]

There is no reason not to just move one of them to a different channel seeing that there's basically nothing else that would interfere

[quaint siren]

Can't do anything about ISP router since as far as access, I can only restart it, change wifi password or other stuff.

Hm okay, I had the same overlapping on 2.4GHz, I changed the channels and not there's small overlapping on 7 and 8 and for 5GHz I can't tell yet since higher channels all are DFS channels

[low gate]

"and other stuff" usually contains channels, even on the shit-tier 2wire modem in the 2000s we could change channels

if you remember these, remember to take your multivitimin

[quaint siren]

Other stuff mean changing user password, wifi password and modem's band widths since it's 5G modem/router.

There's admin and user accounts, I only have access to User account and I've asked ISP about if they would let me into Admin account, they said no

[low gate]

Dang I feel for you then. Maybe hit them up and ask them to remote in to change it, ISP can access that admin account from their end

Shoutout to Bell Canada for being the dankest ISP in the world

[low gate]

image link ded but I run 1.4Gbps on modems inbuilt wifi lmao

Here we have /home with full Admin access

[quaint siren]

I did call them and asked what channel did their 5GHz use, they only said "We use all the non DFS channels" and left me at that since before asking that, they already twisted my arm over having second router in network since it goes against the contract

[low gate]

That's anticonsumer practice and would be tossed in court, yikes. What ISP just curious?

[quaint siren]

EU ISP called Telia

And they also happen to have biggest monopoly here, so I can't to much about it

[empty flower]

I made my isp turn off the wifi radios of their isp router. Since they won’t give me access to the interface whatsoever they don’t get to broadcast wifi. Owning your own wireless router or switches, I think is a must. Theirs no reason to let a isp dictate what you do on your LAN or even see your devices. IPv4 and NAT is nice for privacy something native IPv6 lacks. No reason to allow incoming access to all devices. I’d probably use nat66 for ipv6 just to segment the devices from WAN.

[pseudo blade]

"Full admin access" is a higher bar for me ngl

[empty flower]

Lol when user admin/admin has less functionality then support/support

[pseudo blade]

Fake Admin for Unimportant Important people

[tight pecan]

Time to whip out some aluminum foil and just wrap their router antennas with it

[empty flower]

Most antenna on routers are only used for 5-6Ghz the 2.4ghz typically is internal as a large trace on the board.

Blocking signals could actually fry the radios.

[opal pagoda]

mhm new toy arrived

[vale night]

Arduino?

Yeah that is an arduino

[opal pagoda]

sure

[clear igloo]

Looks more like a slice of pie 😛

[opal pagoda]

pie made out of sas

now to reformat wierd ahh formated netapp ssd's

[thick minnow]

I hate when user admin and support admin are both needed

[visual narwhal]

Can someone help me i am trying to portfoward my minecraft server but idk what to put into those 2 blurred spaces and is the protocol even right?

[brazen dirge]

Internal host would be the IP of the device which is running the server. External host could be your public ip tho I don’t know why u would need to specify that

What router are u using?

[visual narwhal]

DNA

this one

[visual narwhal]

but i think it works now ty

[brazen dirge]

What do u get when you press on the service menu?

[brazen dirge]

Oh alr, np. Port forwarding isn’t as scary as it seems. Most stuff can be found online or using chatGPT

[visual narwhal]

nvrm it doesn't connect

[brazen dirge]

Oop

What’s the error message

[visual narwhal]

i have done it before but this is sooo different

[visual narwhal]

it just says it can't connect mc doesn't give error codes

[brazen dirge]

Are u using the default launcher?

[visual narwhal]

?

its curseforge mods but it launches trough vanilla

[brazen dirge]

So you are using the curse forge launcher then?

[visual narwhal]

ye

the problem is in the portfowarding

[brazen dirge]

Right, the error code is in the log file but that shouldn’t be needed

Did u try connecting to the internal ip directly?

[visual narwhal]

my brother has his own internet and he is trying to connect

i think i can connect my self

[brazen dirge]

Could u try that so we can determine if that’s the issue?

[visual narwhal]

yes

i can join my self yeah

[brazen dirge]

On what is the server

[visual narwhal]

? its on my pc

[brazen dirge]

I recently had an issue where my NAS would connect to the wrong public ip

[brazen dirge]

Local hosted then? Did u join via localhost:25565 or using the internal ip?

[visual narwhal]

i can connect trough this also my self this is the one that my friends will join trough but the portfowarding is wrong or smh

[visual narwhal]

i can also connect trough that but the problem is others can't because that is my local not public

[brazen dirge]

I know

So u can connect through ur own domain which I assume is directly pointed to ur Ip and port. Correct?

[visual narwhal]

yes i think

[brazen dirge]

Do you have a terminal installed?

[visual narwhal]

what is that?

[brazen dirge]

It's an application which runs command lines

[visual narwhal]

windows default ???

[brazen dirge]

but given that you can succesfully connect to your server using ur domain, it should work

[visual narwhal]

but others cant

i use no-ip

[brazen dirge]

what is the domain pointed to?

[visual narwhal]

the port fowarding is still wrong ik thats the problem

[visual narwhal]

my ipv4 i think

[visual narwhal]

it automaticly puts the right one into it because this app

[visual narwhal]

lets look back into the portfoward tab does this look right to you? and which ip is going to be external and which internal

[brazen dirge]

the domain should point to: xxx.xxx.xx.xxx:25565

xxx.xxx.xx.xxx is your public ip

which u can get by running curl ifconfig.me in the Windows Terminal (if you're on windows 11)

[visual narwhal]

idk what to do

[brazen dirge]

please run this command

[visual narwhal]

yes it doesnt give ip or anything

it gave a super long thing now

numbers and letters with : : : : :

[brazen dirge]

that's ur public ipv6 address probably

[visual narwhal]

yes

so what do i do

[brazen dirge]

try this one: curl -4 ifconfig.me

[visual narwhal]

it gave ipv4

[brazen dirge]

does this match the ip u gave in the port forward and domain?

[visual narwhal]

same one that i can find at whatsmyip

[visual narwhal]

yes

but which one should it be in port foward internal or external?

[brazen dirge]

Ik, that's good. Sometimes those online sites don't work depending on ur isp and firewall. So ifconfig.me is a safer way to figure it out

[brazen dirge]

the internal one should point towards ur PCs IP

which should be sth like 192.168.1.xxx

[visual narwhal]

yes it is that

and external should be the one in the command?

[brazen dirge]

That's my guess

oh wait

can you please go back

to the port forward

can you leave the external host empty?

[visual narwhal]

i tried it didn't work

but i just put :25565 into external and it worked?!?

[brazen dirge]

what other port forwarding options are there? Could u send a screenshot?

Under service

[visual narwhal]

WHERE SERVICE?!

Games & Applications didn't have mc just like steam client and server and stuff

[visual narwhal]

now my brother connected trough his own pc and own internet after i used the :25565 after external

[brazen dirge]

did that work?

[visual narwhal]

yes i think wait a sec

it doesn't even have external rn and he can play WTF?!

[brazen dirge]

yeah that's how it should be working this is expected behaviour

[visual narwhal]

okay i think it works well enough now imma go take a shower

[brazen dirge]

is ur domain not pointed to your public ipv4 with :25565

[visual narwhal]

but why didnt work before?

[visual narwhal]

wdym? in the domain site or port forward

[brazen dirge]

domain site

[brazen dirge]

oh wait yeah u did. I missread

[visual narwhal]

no

it doesnt have that it didnt work

the 25565 i put was in the portforward external

[brazen dirge]

yes that's right

[visual narwhal]

but it cleared it self because it said invalid but now the server works

[brazen dirge]

interesting

anyway, if it works it works

[visual narwhal]

yes ty for help bye

[hexed wedge]

hey can anyone help me with networking issues?

i get abysmal speeds to what i should be getting ( i am on wifi ) i get about 1/8th of what i should be getting normally(200 mbit down) i am not really that close to the router ughh what can i do about this

[empty flower]

Highly depends a on your router type, and the settings wifi is configured to, and the wireless radio frequency’s your using.

-Is their congestion from neighbours?
-Do you own a wireless mesh network or a single router?
-Is the router yours or an isp’s? Are you able to configure the wireless router yourself or does it require hand holding or an isp support to do it for you?
-Have you determined that the wireless is not to blame; does it work at full speeds over Ethernet LAN?
-Are speeds all over the place when you do multiple speedtest.net tests? Wireless vs wired.
-Is their other devices on your network currently downloading?
-If the isp provides a modem/router have you attempted to make a direct connection by Lan to determine if the degradation of speed isn’t due to line or isp issues?

These are the questions you need before anyone can help.

[hexed wedge]

-a bit like 6-7 networks i've tried isolating it
-single router
-mine yes i have been able to configure it
-yes ethernet is fine (full speed)
-they are all over the place with wireless , consistant with wired
-no
-yes i ahve tried to make a direct connections, its fine

[empty flower]

Ok so follow up question, are you connecting to 2.4ghz,5ghz,6ghz?

[hexed wedge]

2,4/5

[empty flower]

Okay assuming 2.4ghz is the most congested of the the spectrum only having 11 channels. Have you tried connecting to 5ghz only or does it combine the ssid name as one wifi network. I would recommend keeping them as separate networks.

[hexed wedge]

yes they are one ssid, i combined them after testing cause the 5ghz wouldnt connect

so it was kinda pointless to have them seperate

like right now its on the 2.4ghz band

[empty flower]

5ghz is going to have less range then 2.4ghz, but will have more bandwidth available due in part to it not being as congested. If their is 6-7 2.4ghz networks I’m not surprised your getting less speed from a distance.

I would focus on getting 5ghz working because in a congested area that is the best option, and if it works you could pair it with another router that has wireless bridge or compatible mesh (usually specific to the same brand of router) then you can extend the range of the wifi for 5ghz.

[hexed wedge]

uhhh i dont have any money for that :(

[empty flower]

Then I would suggest placing the router within the centre of your home or near that so the range is equally spread out across your home and not butt up against the corner of a wall passing the wifi into your neighbours house.

[hexed wedge]

it is on the center of the home yeah

[empty flower]

If the router has a power transmission setting for broadcasting the wifi then I would also set it to maximum. Channel wise I would use a wifi spectrum analyzer on your computer over wifi to see what networks are using what channels and choose the least congested.

If your router has a setting for airtime fairness I would disable that as it lower the speeds farther you are away from the router

[hexed wedge]

i did all that already

with my phone

(which gets much better speeds , like 180 mbit/down)

[empty flower]

Yeah then congestion is the crux of the issue. Unfortunately I can’t really suggest much more because your neighbours networks are configured in such a way that it is causing too much interference. If they all turned their router transmitter power down you’d be peachy, but you’d probably be told off if you asked them.

[topaz patrol]

Yikes

[thick minnow]

I'm sorry that is a usage charge?

[topaz patrol]

That is the monthly charge for half a rack with 1500w

It's a quote thankfully

[thick minnow]

At that price I would expect it to be SHIPPED

not a rental/loan

Ohhhh Monthly

[topaz patrol]

It's colocation so slightly different - but not too different

[thick minnow]

okay that makes a bit more sense

[topaz patrol]

Does it though? Fucking crazy price

[thick minnow]

I would hope it includes me using their top of the line server

and that they have fibre internet

that is triple redundant

I would expect an amazing web management console too

[thick minnow]

I expect the WORLD for that crazy ass monthly price

[topaz patrol]

It includes the half rack + 1500w DC + a cross connect down the hall

[thick minnow]

cross connect?

[topaz patrol]

Cable going between two customers in a network facility

[thick minnow]

Wait I'm limited to only 1500w from their PDU?

[topaz patrol]

Correct, you can order more but that's all we'd need

[tight pecan]

Half a rack aint worth that much wtf

[empty flower]

Jesus that’s a spicy quote

Out of curiosity is the rack high compute or just a lot of storage?

[tight pecan]

Neither. Seems to just be rack space, power, and a xc

Kinda wild

[empty flower]

I guess it’s all about location.. because just half a rack of space for 5k monthly is wild.

[tight pecan]

Better have remote hands included at least 😂

[empty flower]

If it was me the datacentre better be EMP proof, lol but it’s likely on behalf of a company that will throw money at the wall.

[thick minnow]

they need to be act of god proof for that kinda pricing

[topaz patrol]

Just space and power

[mint ember]

hii

is that a good switch to buy?

https://dent.dev/wp-content/uploads/sites/93/2021/09/1G-Access-Ethernet-Switch-Hardware-Platform-TN48M-P-DN-TN48M-DN-datasheet.pdf

[pseudo blade]

What use case and for what price?

[opal pagoda]

More common name for that is "meet me room"

[topaz patrol]

Lol there’s only one room of IT in the building 😆

[cunning lion]

https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Archer-TX55E-Bluetooth-Ultra-Low/dp/B0B1NRGDQ4 MIGHT need to replace mine from 2012 since it is only giving me 85mbps instead of the 400 I should be getting here

I assume the 2 antenna I have will work fine for the new card to bring them out from behind the system?

I have 2 of this style of antenna basically right now

Theya re from 2012 or so so no idea if they would still be any good for a new wifi setup

[sweet sentinel]

my ethernet port on my computer only supports speeds up to 100 mbps, and i have 600 mbps wifi speeds. Should i switch to ethernet for better latency but less internet speeds or use wifi?

[ornate jungle]

How old is your computer? I haven't run into a desktop computer without a 1000mbit (gigabit) RJ-45 network jack in at least 15 years... so it should be capable of achieving faster speeds than 100mbit. List the full make + model of motherboard, or the make and model of computer if it's a rpe-built system.

[mint ember]

mainly scientific data transfers so big microscopes that put out lots of data

[mint ember]

.

[pseudo blade]

What's lots?
It's just a gigabit switch

[mint ember]

it’s integrated into the network so those are workstations

for workstations

the microscopes have their own LWL connection that goes through the house into the patch field

[tight pecan]

The answer they're looking for is something related to bandwidth or the size of data you need to transfer over the network

[mint ember]

bandwith would not be the issue if the docs are right

[tight pecan]

And what exactly are you looking for?

You still haven't given any concrete details about what you need from a switch, so we can't really tell you whether it works for you. "Lots of data" is pretty subjective

[mint ember]

i more like want to know, is it reliable, practical to use etc

[tight pecan]

I mean, it's a switch geared towards the enterprise market, so it should be pretty reliable. Practicality is something that's up to you and what you need to do with it

It'll be loud as hell, but that's just enterprise switches in general

[pseudo blade]

I think that if a gigabit access switch is all you want it probably doesn't need all the features listed and you could probably go fairly cheap... but I have no idea what you planned to pay for this thing because I asked and you didn't say

[spark torrent]

Is plugging 2 PCs into a 10GbE switch the same thing as if I plugged them both into the same router which had 2 GbE ports? I want my main PC and server PC to both use 10GbE but the new router I'm looking at only has 1 10GbE so I was just going to use a switch but I don't know if I should worry about less because then I'd have both PCs going through the same cable or "pipe" to the actual router

Cause as it is right now they are both just plugged directly into my router with no switch

[peak cloak]

As long as it's in the same subnet or L2 domain it'll get switched on the switch and not go to router

[tribal sequoia]

as far as switching capacity goes it's pretty "low end" in that regard.

but it's just a 1gb access switch, so why wouldn't it be?

[tribal sequoia]

I mean, in this day and age there are firewall configurations that can block communication and force the firewall to be the only thing that can ARP reply and you setup a policy on the firewall to allow the access you want. But generally (and almost certainly) in this case, it will be locally switched between ports without hitting the firewall 😄

[harsh siren]

ahh, finaly

[spark torrent]

What do you mean? Like instead of say both my PCs being busses taking a 2 lane run into the switch and then getting jammed taking a 1 lane run to my router the switch manages the traffic and sorts it out so it’s all 1 set of information or 1 big bus going full speed to my router but the 1 bus has all the information from both my PCs? (If that analogy made sense or if I’m understanding it correctly lol)

This is the switch I’m looking at

Also I don’t suppose anyone here has the NETGEAR Orbi 970 Wi-Fi Mesh System?

I contacted support about a question I had but 2 different support agents gave me 2 different answers so I didn’t know if maybe someone here had the system or knew the answer

[peak cloak]

So the way it works is that your traffic will only go to the router if the IP address if the destination is outside of the local subnet, aka on L2

[long scarab]

This thing horrifies me

[spark torrent]

I want the switch for 10GbE for fast connection between my main PC and server PC but most of the traffic is outside my local network

[peak cloak]

A switch (there are exceptions with L3 switches, which technically do route to avoid the bottle neck of going to the router if there are vlans) works on Mac addresses

[peak cloak]

Yes it will work, the traffic is between server and main

It's on the same subnet probably assuming a basic home network

[spark torrent]

But like if I’m playing a game and streaming from my main PC and say my uncle is streaming a movie from my Plex server neither are going to be bottlenecked because the 2 PCs have to leave the switch and go to the router through 1 Ethernet cable right

[peak cloak]

Networking works on a packet basis, so a packet that is going to the Internet would need to go through the router since the destination IP is out of the local network, the router handles that. If a packet destination is on the same subnet it will go directly without going to router

[spark torrent]

(I get paranoid about things)

[peak cloak]

No, as long as Uncle is connected to the switch, not router

[spark torrent]

Uncle is at his house

[peak cloak]

Streaming as in twitch?

[spark torrent]

Twitch, YouTube, etc. Yeah

99% of the traffic of my server PC and main PC is going to be outside the switch and need to go through the router so given that right now they each have their own full Ethernet cable would hooking them up to the switch causing 2 PCs traffic going through 1 Ethernet cable to the router cause a bottleneck

[peak cloak]

If it works fine now both going to router, it will work with switch

Bandwidth is like pipe size

[spark torrent]

Ok lol

[peak cloak]

Assuming internet connection is 1 gig

[spark torrent]

Yeah that’s why I wasn’t sure because right now both PCs have their own “pipe”/ethernet cable but if I put them behind a switch then both PCs now have 1 pipe to get to router

[spark torrent]

I have 1Gig Fiber right now

[peak cloak]

Yeah but each pipe is getting restricted by your 1gig internet connection anyway

So 1gig link restriction between switch and router won't matter

[spark torrent]

I want 10GbE so my PCs can talk to each other at 10GbE and I know that once it goes to my router it’s then limited to whatever my router/internet plan is but wanted to make sure there wasn’t any bottleneck getting to my router now that there would be a switch which like I said brought 2 PCs with their own pipe down to both PCs sharing 1 pipe

[empty flower]

Unless something is broken and your getting martian packets.

[nimble shadow]

Anyone know of any battery backups that I should look into to do 2-4 weeks of battery backup

[topaz patrol]

What are you wanting to run for 2-4 weeks

[nimble shadow]

CCTV system the customer wants it for that long

Trust me Ik it’s extremely over kill

But they are willing to pay lmao

[topaz patrol]

That'd be a multi-kWh battery system

Do the NVR and switch/s have a direct DC input?

[nimble shadow]

The whole rack would be powered off the ups including nvr switches and internet stuff

[topaz patrol]

UPS + a generator unless they want to spend over $30k

[nimble shadow]

Generator won’t rly work for this job it’s for a big company and they want something that’s just gonna work no maintenance or anything needed

[topaz patrol]

And the rack is all AC?

You'd need a 150kWh+ battery plus inverters ($100k+)

These 5x20kWh batteries I've seen put in come to about $100k AUD after installation

You need to tell your client that it's not feasible without a generator at their budget lmao

[pseudo blade]

UPSes also need maintenance

They need batteries and servicing

Even if you got solar, batteries and an inverter you'd still need to maintain the panels, batteries, inverter

[topaz patrol]

A generator is just sooo much easier and cheaper

[nimble shadow]

Beyond overkill lol

Also I’m not dealing with that crazy of sensitive stuff but generators do not produce clean power 100% of the time

[topaz patrol]

With that single unit you still wouldn't get the desired 2-4 weeks of operation (assuming ~200w load)

[topaz patrol]

A quality UPS and pure sine wave inverter solve that issue

[opal pagoda]

Shitty generators produce noisy power
You would still need to get a double conversion ups to clean it up completely and prevent brownouts

To corectly size this system you would first need to measure actual power consumption

[short quarry]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/101087/amd-reveals-worlds-first-ultra-ethernet-400-gbps-network-card/index.html

[opal pagoda]

amd is entering network space?

did they aquire some company or just greenfield project

[short quarry]

Idk

[tribal sequoia]

UPS's solve the power quality man lol

they are designed to input dogshit power in an event you need a generator nowadays and output clean power

or you can have a big inverter inbetween it

[thorn delta]

That might not be too crazy, I have to spec my solar-powered tower sites for like 2 weeks of runtime before hitting 50% battery to survive overcast weeks and less sun in the winter

[clear igloo]

They bought Pensando a couple years ago I believe

[thorn delta]

You really have to optimize your consumption down to the watt, CCTV might not be too bad... But you're talking a fair amount of battery. Adding solar could help too, and it's passive/no moving parts.

Inverter losses are a pain too, so even better if you can keep things on DC

[opal pagoda]

Literally what double conversion ups does
Line interactive (cheap consumer units) just pass through dirty power untill it passes a threshold and then they switch to battery

[tribal sequoia]

it's just ac -dc -> dc -> ac isn't it?

looking at the conversion that's how it looks anyways

Listen here, i setup the network gear, i don't get to spec out and configure datacenter grade ups basically ever lol

i did know that a UPS isn't going to allow dirty power at least

[opal pagoda]

You don't have to spec out idf ups?

I only really put in ups for power conditioning reasons and not blackouts as power is ultra reliable due to 3x separate hv transmission lines to supply us

And dual huge af generators (couple of megawatts each)

[violet spear]

this should work right as a shared network pool for VMs and containers between two nodes?

[empty flower]

Technically it should. But any connection issues you might encounter with a vpn tunnel could take your resources offline shared between nodes. Is this with proxmox or something else?

[violet spear]

Fedora with libvirt for VMs

Incus for lxc and podman for oci

[empty flower]

Ah. Site2site failure could corrupt your files so backing up regularly might be required.

I’d recommend something like ceph for file sharing between sites to prevent this.

Ceph mirrors your storage content between sites. It’s expensive storage wise but better then relying on a network.

Normally ceph requires 3 nodes for high availability, but you can get away with 2. Just if a site goes down you won’t be able to continue to use your storage on either nodes until it comes back online.

[violet spear]

I see, thanks

[grizzled orbit]

Looking to do some local file storage on my network (think photos, plex, documents, etc.) what is the best way to go about this? Is there some way to backup photos from all my families devices to this server automatically?

[empty flower]

Depends on the type of phone ios/android. Theirs Nextcloud (ios/android), owncloud (ios/android), photosync (ios/?), most NAS / samba (smb) related apps can do automatic photo backup.

Samba is probably the least involved and since it seems like you want network storage typically smb is what is used.

[tepid patio]

immich

they have both android and ios clients

atleast thats what i use for my photos

[lost lily]

remember that NFS has a windows client too, and it's not that involved

[tribal sequoia]

I honestly don't, no. I mean I'm not clueless on them. But our sales guys are damn decent for getting the right power there.

[marsh tundra]

i hope whoever invented VLSM dies

we classful subnetting up in here

subnets should be multiples of 8

none of that /30 or /27 shit

[clear igloo]

lol, you mad bro?

I'll take a few /31s 😛

And then I'll take my /48 and subnet it into some /72s and /96s 😄

[empty flower]

NFS is fine, but only if you don’t want encryption end 2 end

[rocky badge]

me who uses /30 for transit

[empty flower]

Guess it depends on how many addresses you need.

[lost lily]

i mean given you can't even advertise something smaller than /24

[empty flower]

For p2p transit it allows two useable ip addresses for each end of the connection on /30. The other two are for network address and broadcast address. For lan you likely won’t have a issue for wan it depends on your isp if they filter it out.

[tepid patio]

my docker speedtest site cant handle 10 gigabit

for reference eth3 on the unraid server is a direct bridge straight to the windows pc... so it SHOULD be 10 gigabit

[jagged marsh]

is using opera gx that bad? i havent had any bad things with it

[tepid patio]

its just becasuse the sm manager is annoying asf...

its built on chromium afaik so its just as functional as everything else

[tribal sequoia]

Your cpu looked to be maxing out during download tbh

[twin star]

A. Spyware iirc
B. AI (if you don't like it)
C. OperaGX uses Chromium, and Chromium is a RAM hog

[pseudo blade]

You can see two threads maxing out during the download. Possible reasons include:

1. Application has poor threading support.
2. Server maxing core on interrupts for the NICs.
3. Firewall interrupts not multithreaded properly (old kernel?)
4. Whatever network type configured in Docker has the same issues as above

You'd have to look at what's actually consuming the CPU when you do that and experiment with replacing stuff

[tepid patio]

i updated the os to 6.12.13 and pinned the docker to all threads and also fixed my zfs arc cache config

not sure which of those fixed it

but im getting full 10 gig now

[pseudo blade]

I doubt it'd be ZFS

[tepid patio]

ill try removing the c cpu pinning config

yeah it was that

or wait maybe not

i put the all thread pinning back on its still maxing out the 2 threads

must be a limitation of the container 🤷

[silent flax]

check if you don't have CPU limitations applied, you can set quotas https://docs.docker.com/engine/containers/resource_constraints/#cpu

[solemn otter]

Anyone know anything about mail servers. Im not the best with webservers. hoping there is just an os that does it lol any help would be appreciated

[peak cloak]

dealing with mail is a pain

recommend to just not

[solemn otter]

Fair enough the autism in me would want it lol 🤣

[peak cloak]

want to use it for personal type mail?

[solemn otter]

just for like steam and exct so we can all use the account

[peak cloak]

I mean, for that just share the password via bitwarden or something

[solemn otter]

i use bitwarden but the email verifacation

and stuff

[peak cloak]

oh yeah I forgot steam doesn't suport OTP

[solemn otter]

yh

[peak cloak]

I would just an email forwarding service

forward email to multiple addresses. Much simplier then setting up server

[solemn otter]

idk i would prefer it and plus i would like an email for reporting if that makes sense

idk but if its so much effort ill just leave it lol

[peak cloak]

receiving email shouldn't be too bad. You can setup something like https://www.iredmail.org/

this is assuming your ISP doesn't block SMTP

sending email is hell

[solemn otter]

They dont that im aware off

[tepid patio]

does anyone have any tips or good software for cleaning up a network drive

ive got 13tb of data, most of it is redundant but i dont have time to sort through all of it. is there a tool that makes this easy

[solemn otter]

rm -rf /

[tepid patio]

no not like that

im trying to sorf data easily not delete all of ti

[solemn otter]

id just make a new NAS 🤣

[tepid patio]

i would too but theres 3 dollars in my bank account 😭

[solemn otter]

i have 2.50 in savings my car broke down and i had to pay a shi ton of money 🤣

[tepid patio]

this kinda helps to visualize it

but also like

[solemn otter]

WTF who needs azip folderf 633gb

wait nvm im an idiiot

[tepid patio]

apparently theres 3.7tb of duplicate files!

god bless!

ohhhh because once files are copied out of radarr and into plex they arent deleted

well i can fix that

[solemn otter]

how do i set up a network boot? my laptop is ssd is dyin and i would like to test it lol

[tepid patio]

do have a nic capable of pxe

also what are you tring to accomplish with network booting? do you want to boot windows off the network? because ive tried that its nearly impossible with consumer stuff (unless i was doing it wrong)

[solemn otter]

windows or linux idk

the easiest lol

[tepid patio]

so my process when i tried to do this was: pxe server runnning on a windows vm using tinypxe (i think) that would boot a ipxe iso with a config file that would point to a iscsi lun running on my unraid server

i could get as far as the windows install screen then ran into a bunch of driver issues where the drive wouldnt show up

i dont think i tried linux though

https://ipxe.org/

you could look into it

[solemn otter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAOOZ48BqbY

this ltt says something ab it

[tepid patio]

oh this is a new video

i wish this was out when i tried to do it

[solemn otter]

oh yeh lol 🤣

[tepid patio]

also i have a 2tb raid 0 array on 4 500gb ssds, this is connected to my gaming pc directly with 10gigabit and it SUCKED.

i had a 1tb iscsi drive connected to windows with my steam library and it was unsusable

[solemn otter]

my laptop is only for when im in my loft/server room and dont fancy bringing up a monitor

[tepid patio]

i dont think booting off the network would be any beter unless you have data center level hardware

[tepid patio]

you wanna network boot on a laptop???

[solemn otter]

yeh

[tepid patio]

uhhh

on wifi??

[solemn otter]

nah

[tepid patio]

unless you have atleast 10 gigabit its not worth your time tbh

[solemn otter]

its just up there on ethernet

[tepid patio]

what are you trying to accomplish by booting over the network

if its a laptop i dont see the point

[solemn otter]

autism and cba buying a new drive

[tepid patio]

just run a virtual machine 😭

do you have a server

[solemn otter]

multiple

but my laptop is for when i am doing maintence on the servers and i dont want to climb pack down to my pc

[tepid patio]

you could get a pikvm

[solemn otter]

i have a pi too

[tepid patio]

https://jetkvm.com/

this thing is crazy cheap

look into it 100%

[tepid patio]

also cant you just rdp

[solemn otter]

somethings im not allowed to have rdp enabled for GDPR and other privacy things

[tepid patio]

weird

well jetkvm is cool look into that

[solemn otter]

yh uk sucks

[tepid patio]

i work for a cmmc 2.0 compliant company and we have rdp on all the machines 😭 if you secure it right theres no security issues

just put duo 2fa for all the machines and youre certified

theres more to it that that but yknow

[solemn otter]

well one of the people i work w is a school and they dont let us do it beacuse of there policys like everytime they wanna do a system update someone from there trust comes and does it 😭

[tepid patio]

unfortunate

[solemn otter]

i charge them for it tho so more moneh for me lol

[tepid patio]

im still in highschool and ive bypassed the school network so many times they hate me and the IT overlord yells at me saying theyll get their funding cut if i dont stop fucking around

he hates me lmao 😭 but like do your job jesus

[solemn otter]

im in school my self lol. and my school doesnt trust me at all to the point were i have all my accounts locked and cant acsess anything

they hate me

[tepid patio]

lmao

https://x.com/malefailed/status/1778861028777906390

jess (@malefailed) on X

I'm getting suspended for this a month after it happened

Twitter · Apr 12, 2024, 7:01 PM

this is my most proud achivment

[solemn otter]

i got in there cloudflare account once 🤣 i was debating redirecting to one of my sites lol

[tepid patio]

i got one of my websites unblocked on the entirety of the school network

bypassed the content filtering

i pass my plex server through with cloudflare tunnels to the school computers with the unblocked domain

my friends just watch movies in class now

[solemn otter]

I Want one but i dont need it as my school has there Users as
Admin
#schoolname#1234!

so secure 🤣

[tepid patio]

the password for the school gamin computer is username Science password science

i put rdp on it

[solemn otter]

My school stills uses windows server 2008 r2

i know this cuz they left the server room open once in a fire drill got suspended for 2 weeks lol

🤣

[opal pagoda]

you can use cloudflare email routing

it will recieve mail from a custom domain and forward it to your emails (you have to verify each mail you send to)

or you can use a worker to do custom stuff with it

[wheat dome]

Mikrotik > Ubiquiti

[glad oar]

Is this good?

I'm trying to improve it and it should be able to get up to a Gigabit

[ornate jungle]

400mbps down is more than enough for most daily tasks people use the internet for.

[tall birch]

can someone help me spec a NAS server solution? i was looking at getting an old netapp DS4246 Expansion Jbod or 2 from ebay, and putting some nice drives in it and running it useing trueNAS scale. what sort of server should i do? What kind of money would I be looking at to do this (I have absolutely no idea). Also is this the right channel

[pseudo blade]

Are you on WiFi perhaps? 400mbps or so is about the best you can get on a good 802.11AC/WiFi 5 access point or router with moderate distance.

[glad oar]

I'm on WiFi, I'm using the banana Pi (Whatever the 6th one is called)

I can't get it on 6 GhZ though

[pseudo blade]

Idk what config you have just from that

They make a lot of stuff

[glad oar]

Neither do I

I can check but it's late

[opal pagoda]

Will you mount this equipment in a rack?
Do you already have some hardware at home that you could use?

[tall birch]

Not really and yes I would like to rack mount

[pseudo blade]

No offence but you're asking this question from the wrong perspective to get useful answers (XY problem).
Help us help you:

• expected storage
• expected speed
• expected spend, roughly.
• reliability objectives (RAID etc.)
• what you'd be using it for, in abstract terms if needed. Does this data matter? Home or business? Features like iSCSI, SMB?
• If you're not getting one of your expectations which one matters least?

[tall birch]

• storage: 150-200tb to start, scaleble
• speed: 50 gigabit/s
• spend: this i have no idea, this is what i need
• reliability: high availability, raid (hardware prefered, software ok) (idk what level, that depends on the price change per level)
• Data matters, its would be a bulk storage NAS for the following:
• Mass data
• Netboot one of my laptops
• Store mass games (30tb)
• I have no idea what iSCSI or SMB or any of those are or which I need

I was looking at getting an old NetApp jbod from ebay as i had mentioned and then drives and some server to work with it.

[pseudo blade]

Alrighty, big boy specs but doesn't really make sense

[tall birch]

why not?

[pseudo blade]

50gbps is a lot for games and netbooting unless you're trying to mimic the last LTT video

[tall birch]

haha, a little, i looked at it and found there setup decent, might actualy not need that fast tbh, as i think my wifi will be the slow point here

[pseudo blade]

It's a great way to spend a lot of money without necessarily making something good. Do heed the warnings in that video and note that they're using flash, expensive flash

[tall birch]

what is flash even

[pseudo blade]

It's also not very practical to get speeds like that from a home array with that much storage

[pseudo blade]

SSDs

[tall birch]

what, i was looking at the one where they put 20tb hdd from baracuda in a server

which was pretty fast

[pseudo blade]

They're slow at random reads

[tall birch]

Yea, thats true, k idk, what is even the price for something like that, idd asume around 3k?
i rly have no idea

[pseudo blade]

It's part of why 50gbps as a target is ludicrous

[tall birch]

makes sense

[pseudo blade]

Yeah no not $3k

[tall birch]

oh, then what

i should prolly just do a small nas in a normal pc case

[pseudo blade]

Go look up what the 20TB disks cost each

[tall birch]

oh yea that makes sense, i just looked up teh cost of the rack, thats like 3k by itself

[pseudo blade]

Then factor in buying enough for redundantly meeting your capacity, then factor in that you've bought maybe 2k IOPS (if you were streaming non-random content off these disks you might get 20gbps... but in random workloads like games it'd be a slim fraction of that) and without extra cost will get performance that is a fraction of what you'd get from a cheap SSD and you're trying to boot off it while also exposing games etc.

My recommendation for you: buy a few large HDDs for your gaming PC for its library and look at options for tiered SSD storage for it, like 2TB maybe, perhaps storage spaces if on Windows. Price goes down if you go for 12TB or so HDDs. Could also build/buy a NAS with this functionality and directly attach it to your computer with an ex-server copper NIC... but yeah don't netboot off it, performance will be somewhat random

Lazy non-automatic option for a gaming PC is to just move the games to the SSD when you want them (or even save all that storage money and redownload them from Steam etc)

[tall birch]

yea, i might do that, or for now i could by this:
like a 4 or 8 tb drive for my pc for most of those games
a hdd for the stuff a rairly use
and a 2 or so tb drive to upgrade my laptop

[pseudo blade]

That's more sensible

It'd also not be a big waste of money, plus no networked storage headaches

[tall birch]

i do want netboot and network storage but mabey at a later date

[pseudo blade]

If you needed to share the games, do it with an SMB share from the PC with the hard drives, but don't expect miracles over WiFi

[tall birch]

or, just an idea, i will only ever use netboot when not using my pc, could i netbook off that pc while im not using it

[pseudo blade]

Use Parsec or something so you can benefit from the desktop's performance, or set up an SMB share to the laptop and keep the OS locally installed on a small SSD

Faffing with netboot will suck for no practical benefit

It's really easy to share folders from your computer over the network as long as it stays on

[tall birch]

k, just a question, would i be able to do the following using my pc and laptop:
have os on the laptop, but use the PC's file system as the main files
utilise the PC's gpu and cpu to cloud compute from the laptop (which has no gpu)
share mass data to a cheap nas that would sit beside the pc

im thinking like a small nas with like a core i3 and no gpu and some mass storage for a nas

[pseudo blade]

Your solution for GPU and CPU is the aforementioned Parsec

Not a NAS

[tall birch]

makes sense, does that occur with the free tier

[pseudo blade]

You can use it free

[tall birch]

why not, a rly cheap one for the mass storage

[pseudo blade]

NAS = storage, will not help with gaming

If you have the gaming PC already with a GPU and you also want the benefit of that anyways, it answers that problem

[tall birch]

yes, games on the pc, and then the nas for creative projects, and for games im not playing for a while

[pseudo blade]

Sure

[tall birch]

what cpu should i get? an i5 what gen would be not to old

[pseudo blade]

Is it serving stuff mostly over WiFi?

[tall birch]

yes

[pseudo blade]

Anything will do

[tall birch]

and ethernet to the router

[tall birch]

so should i get a celetron 1400e lol, like what should i do

[pseudo blade]

That might be pushing it but it'd probably still do gigabit lol

[tall birch]

how hard is it to get a board tho

like i was thinking liek 7-10th gen intel

[pseudo blade]

I'd go with something more modern than the Celeron from 2008 for a new project

[tall birch]

like what

[pseudo blade]

Eh I have second-gen i5 desktops that will saturate gigabit plus without much of an issue if we're just talking 8-16TB of mechanical disks over WiFi now

It's not hard, consumer NASes use modern celerons, ARM CPUs, doesn't matter at those speeds

[tall birch]

K, yea so like if I take a 7th gen i3 that good enough?

[pseudo blade]

Sure

8th gen with 4 cores is probably not more expensive by now so if you're looking for growth later I'd go for that, like Docker, other stuff than just serving content to a laptop and desktop without specialised or high end networking equipment

[lavish ingot]

Hi Everyone, I've just got a quick question

Is there anyone who has the latest firmware for a Cisco ASA5505x Firewall?

I need the newest version including ASDM if possible, running into an issue with ASDM and the asa only doing TLSv1...

[opal pagoda]

this old thing?

[opal pagoda]

high capacity drives are all SMR
and those are really bad at write speeds

[lavish ingot]

Yeah nevermind

Just got it running the old beast

Had to do with Java security not enabling tlsv1 out of the box

And no worries the thing is only used for testing and education purposes

Just learning moet networking stuff as a junior netops Armin

Admin*

[tall birch]

What case should I use (cheap) for this? I’m on an micro atx board and was thinking abt a rack if you can get them cheap, else you need a cheap case with at least 3 drive bays (ssd boot plus a raid setup)

[opal pagoda]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CQZS7KN5?psc=1
this case looks promising

as for server chassis you arent getting one cheap

maybe if you get a HPE proliant G8

but most of them use 2.5 inch caddies in front

[shut tide]

Looking for a 6 or 8 bay DAS, with USB3.2 type c connection. Have some HDDs I would like to populate it with, going for under $300 if possible. Please reply if you have any personal recommendations. THX

[silent flax]

there are cheap rackmount cases, but they are often really... bad

i mean stuff like https://www.servercase.co.uk/shop/server-cases/rackmount/4u-chassis/4u-standard-chassis-10x-35-hdd-+-3-x-525-bays---clearance-sc-43650b/

65GBP in not super cheap, but cheap-ish

[tall birch]

where i am that case is $400

so nope

[tall birch]

any other idea

[hexed sedge]

What case would y’all recommend to run a home lab

[ruby willow]

Big ass table, preferably with multiple ethernet ports

As a work bench I mean

[opal pagoda]

Maybe if you told us your region we could find something better

[keen lark]

here's a little brain twister:
I'm migrating to Hetzner's DNS servers because their API is supported by dnscontrol and obviously have to create the zones i'm migrating over there before i switch the NS-Records in my domain registry. Since the registry requires the zone to exist on the target server for it to work...

but what stops any other Hetzner customer to use their account and create a zone for a domain i own?

it's not like i have my own dedicated nameservers

in fact i've accidently tried to create a zone for a domain i didn't have access to before and got an error because somebody else already created the zone

although in that particular case the domain was actually pointing to the Hetzner DNS servers, i'm not sure if that is of any relevance though

so i believe that i could easily get in anyone's way to migrate their domains to this specific DNS provider by creating zones for domains i don't own

which is probably why they only give you 15 zones at the start and have to contact their support to raise the limit with a good reason

[young slate]

Is a coax cable good for gaming?

[tall birch]

Canada

[unborn sluice]

[torn perch]

if you can fit a pc in it, maybe...

[young slate]

Wydm

[young slate]

Moca splitter

[mystic latch]

Then it depends on the specific adapters, but generally it's quite good.

Basically a drop-in replacement for normal ethernet wiring

[young slate]

Wich one should i buy

[mystic latch]

I use these
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08MQG6T61

[young slate]

Ok

Damn that’s expensive

[mystic latch]

Good Moca adapters aren't cheap

[young slate]

Yup

So its better to just get an ethernet cable?

[mystic latch]

If you can manage it, yea

[young slate]

Cus i had a very long coax cable lying around so I thought i could use it

Ok

[mystic latch]

I was assuming you had coax in your walls already

[young slate]

Oh

No

[mystic latch]

Then yea, a long ethernet cable is way cheaper lol

[young slate]

Ok

[wet flax]

Hello everyone,
I'd like to know what I'm doing wrong, I've blocked the ports on my server with ufw
But when I connect with Wireguard, the connection goes through while port XXX is not open, what is this sorcery?

Status: active
Logging: on (low)
Default: deny (incoming), allow (outgoing), deny (routed)
New profiles: skip

To                         Action      From
--                         ------      ----
443                        ALLOW IN    Anywhere
80                         ALLOW IN    Anywhere

[hexed sedge]

Do you guys recommend a managed switch or unmanaged

[opal pagoda]

Depends on use case and operator/admin skill level

[hexed sedge]

Okay

[sage prism]

Hey everyone. If my internet provider has no private ipv4 for me, are there any tunneling providers which tunnel ipv4 to my ipv6?

[topaz patrol]

What is your issue that needs to be resolved?

[sage prism]

I'm moving in a few months and I'm hosting some services at home for some friends and for myself (home assistant stuff etc.)

i want to keep it being able to reach that using a simple IPv4. The new provider would be using DS-Lite though, so no private IPv4 for me to forward ports etc.

[topaz patrol]

You’ve got your terminology a bit mixed up but I can’t blame you :)

The simplest solution would be a reverse proxy like Cloudflare Zero Trust, or a VPN like Tailscale/Zero Tier

[violet spear]

for cross-site/cross-AS LAN
what is preffered? L3 VPN like wireguard with VXLAN
or just use an L2 VPN, like softether?

[thick minnow]

This is how old my fucking building is

Hmmm token ring

[opal pagoda]

I wouldnt strech l2 over vpn when l3 connectivity is enough
Wireguard, IPsec, dmvpn are all good options

[vast saddle]

lol. My networking setup.

The ONT is on the bottom. My router connects to the ONT via a 2.5G Ethernet cable. Then I got a 10 gig CAT6 cable from the router to my laptop.

I finally got fiber internet last year and it’s like miles better than the coax I had earlier

[latent lion]

FYI https://cybernews.com/security/high-risk-vulnerability-affecting-unifi-network-server/

[violet spear]

i see, was looking at this use case and thought it'd be fun to try https://access.redhat.com/webassets/avalon/d/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux-9-Configuring_and_managing_networking-en-US/images/f0ed0f273b7b4b9f8ed9ab229efc49fd/vxlan-tunnel.png

[opal pagoda]

but why?

[silent flax]

i do it in a very stupid way, but only because i only need HTTP services + one SSH tunnel - so from the server inside my home network i SSH to my VPS and do remote port forwarding - this way i publish the HTTP services i need at localhost of VPS under vrious ports. Then i have NGINX reverse proxies to those localhost ports.

Plus after SSH-ing to the VPS, i can SSH into the server in home network, which allows me to tunnel different services if really needed.

[violet spear]

so if i live migrate a vm and container from one node to another, network will just work

[pseudo blade]

Ehh, it's not quite that seamless

It's OK but not perfect on a purely local network

It's better to solve the container problem at a higher level, with Kubernetes and/or an active-active configuration

[acoustic atlas]

Yall ever seen a firewall with a second wan IP that’s just pointing to the local address of the firewall?

[gleaming pike]

i'm looking to upgrade my wifi to a mesh setup and have it boiled down to two acer routers that are simmilar price but i'm pretty sure the cheaper one is better, can someone confirm? Acer connect Vero w6m (69€) vs Acer wave 7 (99€)

i will upgrade all my family laptops to a wifi 7 card as well

[wet flax]

Hi guys,

I'm trying to set up a DHCP server with docker compose except that port 68 is already in use on my host but I can't turn it off otherwise it cuts off my internet, has anyone managed to do this?

[gleaming pike]

The wave 7 not having tri simulanious seems kinda weird

[gleaming pike]

No idea, but this seems like a question a LLM can help along with rather well, not trying to be an ass

[pseudo blade]

MACVLAN networking

[pseudo blade]

Congrats, you came across as one - a search engine would at least less likely to suggest the equivalent of putting glue on pizza

[opal pagoda]

W
just formated a netapp ssd

interesting that people had difficulties formating same model of ssd but it works (samsung pm1635)

deacent performance considering it is connected to sas 6gb/s controller and controller is connected to x4 pcie slot through chipset

[dull laurel]

Hello, anyone with experience with low tier mesh solutions? I'd buy one for a friend and cannot decide if I should go with tplink deco m4 or Xiaomi mi ax3000 or something else...

[opal pagoda]

Tp link deco is decent system

[dull laurel]

thank you very much

[tall birch]

yo, i think im gonna set up pihole and unbound on for myself to do dns hosting and add blocking. what pi should i use for this?

[plain siren]

Run it on a pi zero 2 W or pi zero W

make it super cheap

[tall birch]

sounds good

what cable would i use to plug that into my router tho

since it dosnt have a ethernet port

[plain siren]

Wee Fee

(WiFi)

[tall birch]

not fast, i would prefer wired so that its as fast as it can be

[plain siren]

its a DNS Server.

[tall birch]

exactly

[plain siren]

you can run it on a potato

no really though a full sized raspi for only pi hole would cost you. if you really wanna do that find a 4b for cheap

[tall birch]

yes... donst there still need to be a decently fast network connection so that its as fast as it can be

[tall birch]

do you think a 3b+ would work?

[plain siren]

Yes very much so

[tall birch]

k, ill get that then

[plain siren]

but honestly it runs on a pi zero and is very happy

a 3B+ would run an entire school lol

[tall birch]

fair, im asking for this for a prenset anyway, and the price is like 10 bucks diffrence

[plain siren]

attach an 18650 battery to the pi zero and you can throw it around

and say "I GOT YOUR INTERNET"

[tall birch]

haha, i meant im asking for this as a gift for me, my parents asked me what i want

but that would be hella funny

also how much storage does this thing need?

[plain siren]

16 or 32G

[vernal whale]

what is the min amount of ram for a pc

[vernal whale]

@plain siren

[plain siren]

uh

.>

[vernal whale]

huh?

[plain siren]

If it was linux, you could say 256MB

[vernal whale]

for windows

@plain siren can i send u a friend req

[plain siren]

4G Technical
8G Bare Minimum
16G the real Minimum

[vernal whale]

Thanks bro

can u accept my friend req

i sent

[plain siren]

I dont do DMs with people I havent ever talked to before.

[vernal whale]

im also new

its only been like 1month since i joined

plz acc my req

[plain siren]

It may say this but

[vernal whale]

https://tenor.com/view/don’t-make-me-beg-gif-18284150441593567102

[plain siren]

ive been here before. a long time ago

im amazed the public chat was never nuked

Although too bad for the support chat, I had stuff i wanted to find in there. Shouldve been archived

[vernal whale]

@plain siren

[topaz patrol]

I'd say it is, just not publicly

[pseudo blade]

Dedicated backhaul radio or do not bother

Some cheap TP-Link decos are dual-chain, shared-radio and I've been asked to look at them - no point, not much you can do for them if you want speed

[somber igloo]

tplink

I've had so much crap from tplink die on me or just give weird behaviour that I've given up entirely on them as a brand, you couldn't pay me to use their kit

[dull laurel]

The max they 'll do is streaming (probably not even 4k).. no gaming, no NAS etc so the main point is to have around 50 Mbps everywhere in the house

[pseudo blade]

Yeah they still suck, latency is unreliable for calls, wouldn't buy one for my grandmother. Find one with backhaul in budget or just get a better single router/AP.

[topaz patrol]

Honestly most of their stuff is pretty good

It's just the real cheap shit

[opal pagoda]

Yup i use er605 and it is great
Load balancing works better than on fortigates

[topaz patrol]

Yeah I prefer the Omada gear to UBNT

We even have a TP-Link GPON and it's going great

[opal pagoda]

I havent tried their other stuff like Omada ap or omada switches

[silk trench]

i wanted to start using my VR headset wirelessly with airlink, but i have the issue that even if i connect my PC to ethernet with a powerline adapter, i will still be forced to use 2.4 gzh as my router is behind a couple of walls. is there a way to make my PC create it's own localized 5ghz network from it's antenna while it takes the internet connection from the ethernet port?

i know there are mini routers that have that functionality like the GLiNET beryl but i would prefer to save that money if possible.

[silk trench]

TPlink is not even close to the level of shit AVM can pull

idk if their stuff gets to america but they're a german brand and i swear they are the worst commercially recognized networking equipment manufacturer

[silk trench]

and yes i know pc hotspot is a thing but i have no idea about it's reliability, speed, stability

[peak cloak]

You're back

[plain siren]

Indeed I am

[pseudo blade]

There's a lot less to do wrong on a budget ethernet router than a budget mesh WiFi router kit

Hell some of those really cheap mesh WiFi routers are better if you just leave the satellites in the box

[vocal tundra]

I found a big security bug with Floatplane. Can someone from Floatplane or LTT get in contact or call me on Discord. Not sure who i can tag here. Thank you.

[opal pagoda]

https://www.floatplane.com/support

prolly would be good idea to contact them through this

[vocal tundra]

thank you so much. i've sent a message via that form.

[buoyant dust]

death stranding

look its a cat8 cable

[silk trench]

https://tenor.com/view/death-stranding-nearest-wall-sam-porter-bridges-funny-hahas-gif-24287360

[atomic raven]

Hi, quick question, Can there be any bottlenecks in my networking if I'm using my router as a hub to plug my Poe cable from the antenna and take it onto the poe i plugged in to go to my computer on the other side?

I get 38-ish mb down and 15-20-ish up but my ping is horrendously bad.

Thx!

P.S, my another question is, should I buy a switch and just put my antenna cable in there and my pc cable as well b4 taking it out for the router?

[topaz patrol]

All el cheapo mesh systems (and plenty of expensive ones) will suck, no matter the brand

[silk trench]

Ok so the hotspot from the PC works but it's locked at 20 mhz despite my wifi card supporting the 802 AX or whatever it's called

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo @waxen scroll I wish I had the front to rear fans for this Nexus

[waxen scroll]

Those are expensive

They charge a fortune for power supplies and they take 150 days to ship

I had a coworker that ordered the wrong airflow on 30 switches. Fixing that mistake sucked

Pain in the ass when network aisles need a different airflow than top of rack

[waxen mauve]

I hope this is the right chat for this question.

We are struggling to have wired network where we live so we're looking at getting a 4g router (we live in the UK btw if that matters at all)
What is the best 4g router for give or take less than £100?

currently have the TP-Link Archer M500 and we get about 10-20mbps download 10mbps upload but the issue is, it decides to turn off every now and then (there were quite a few reviews on amazon about this issue happening yet it was still bought...)

We need something that has at least 2 ethernet ports and reliability, considering it's 4G, speeds like 70mbps max would be desirable lol

Any help towards getting more reliable internet for now would be really appreciated <3

[solemn otter]

i HATE Pyterodactyl

admins = twats

system = shit

[frank inlet]

just learn Proxmox and you're good to go

[celest salmon]

guys confirm (or not) if I am right.When person transfer information , and place it on website he needs to create a public key, and private key and digital sign for data is created with GnuPG using the private key. Relying client (package manager or browser) checks if user's private key correspond (in some facts) with public key to confirm his ownership over data. And if data was changed due hijack(from for example repo or website), the both keys are not able to decrypt data OR decrypted hash doesn't correspond to current ( because it changed after hijack attack changed any data). And relying client refuse to import the data. And in another case , it refuses to do it when certificate is not valid,because certificate confirms the ownership over the public key

confirm pls

[umbral meadow]

Am I right in thinking fiber cable can handle 100 to 400 gb or more all it depends on is transceiver

You use at ends

[peak cloak]

transceiver and type of fiber

[clear igloo]

multimode fiber is peetering out at around 400Gbps and that's all MPO cable right now and not duplex, plus you're still hamstrung to distances of a few hundred meters
single mode fiber OS2 can do near infinite speeds at up to 500km+ depending on the optics all in duplex fibers for the most part. There are MPO version of single mode but they seem to be pretty rare usage and tend to be 500m or less. Whereas duplex single mode optics are 2 or 10km by default and go up from there with more power consumption

[peak cloak]

There's some sort of physical limit on OS2, not sure where it would be

[umbral meadow]

Can qsfp56 be turned into qsfp28

Or would i need a qsfp56 switch

Ik both can do 100gbs but qsfp56 can do 200

[solemn otter]

i use proxmox

[umbral meadow]

Is there a diff between using a nice with 200gb qsfp56 and 100gb qsfp56

Like if I got a 100gb qsfp56 switch and a 200gb qsfp56 nic I'm assuming it'd just lower itself to 100?

@peak cloak just cus ur helpful srry if u no like tag

[clear igloo]

optics in most cases are fixed rates
What you CAN do however is breakout say a 100g optic into 4x25g interfaces

[umbral meadow]

So if its a 100 gb qsfp56 switch can't be qsfp56 200 card got it

But rnt most 100 gb switches sfp28

Not qsfp56

Cus was gonna do some mellanox infiband 100gb qsfp56 nics

[umbral meadow]

Also does that apply to making 1 qsfp56 200 gb to 2 qsfp56 100 gbs

Maybe i should just use intel qsfp28 or add in my own nvidia qsfp28 nics for that but then they r pcie 3 vs 4 oof

[umbral meadow]

Apparently qsfp56 transceiver can work in qsfp28 ports just at 100gbs vs 200?

[topaz patrol]

Just make sure the qsfp56 pluggable can operate at 100gbps mode

Just ask the vendor if it'll work 😉

[umbral meadow]

The cable or transciever@topaz patrol

I'm assuming one of those 2 not switch

[topaz patrol]

wdym "the cable"?

[pseudo blade]

Had to read that twice lol

[umbral meadow]

Transceiver I'm kearning

[pseudo blade]

The glass isn't particularly concerned what you do lol

[topaz patrol]

All good it's early and I thought it was me

[umbral meadow]

https://www.fs.com/products/166188.html?now_cid=1367 i take it smthjng like this for connecting to qsfp28

Or i guess just a single cable that can do 100 and 200

[topaz patrol]

Oh DAC

[umbral meadow]

Idk I'm looking for a cable to connect to a qsfp28 switch so it can connect to home network

Mellanox 200gb qsfp56 cards in servers connect to qsfp28 switch which is connected to rest of my stuff

(Waiting on ubiquiti to make a qsfp28 switch in future I hope)

https://www.fs.com/products/115385.html could also use dis and connect dis to my current ubiquiti setup

[umbral meadow]

https://www.fs.com/products/135676.html?attribute=32376&id=3833297 i guess maybe dis

Tho for rack ones prob a dac

Networking confusing lol

[opal pagoda]

lots
you can use dwdm to get 64 lines of up to 400g at the moment (2 fibers one for tx one for rx)
https://www.fs.com/products/166004.html
https://www.fs.com/products/147091.html?attribute=40088&id=660304
it is going to cost you tho...

[low egret]

Can I talk about help for ping issues?
Since that's a network thing?

[opal pagoda]

yea
it will be separatly managed and you might need to learn some new cli and read a manual but it is doable

but that switch is 100g and your gear is 200

[umbral meadow]

@opal pagoda is most qsfp56 cables able to run 100gb too

I've heard a lot of modern docs and dacs can

[opal pagoda]

that is active optical cable

[umbral meadow]

Aka qsfp56 to qsfp28 port

[opal pagoda]

i would get 100g cables now and if upgrade is needed when upgrading the switch upgrade the cables

[umbral meadow]

Got it

The 100gb qsfp56 fits in qsfp28 100 gb right

[opal pagoda]

cables are also 1/4 the price of 200g cables

[ruby willow]

Server

[opal pagoda]

you are mixing data rates and ports
qsfp56 is 200g and 28 is 100g

but otherwise QSFP56 is backwards compatible to QSFP28
https://forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/how-to-connect-200gbe-qsfp56-dpu-to-100gbe-qsfp28-based-network.36862/

[umbral meadow]

Qsfp56 can do 100gb too which is what newer infibans r using

[opal pagoda]

it can also do 40g if using old qsfp+ cables and switches

[umbral meadow]

https://www.fs.com/products/168436.html?attribute=104301&id=3746352 ye this to https://www.fs.com/products/115385.html to rest of ubiquiti stuff

[opal pagoda]

scroll down and you will see arhitecture examples
and cards you linked arent 200g, they are 2x 100g

[umbral meadow]

Ik they r 100 u reccomended going to 100 cards as switch is 100 qsfp28 and card is 100 qsfp56

[opal pagoda]

going higher is going to increse price exponentialy

what is the usecase for this anyway?

[umbral meadow]

Multiple servers and nas with nvme 2.5 drives it's overkill but I can afford it, also wym going higher qsfp28 and qsfp56 are both able to do 100gb

[opal pagoda]

higher than 100g

[opal pagoda]

i belive you will be just fine with 25g

[solemn otter]

Does anyone have a good free email SMTP Server?

[opal pagoda]

let me warn you
dont

[solemn otter]

I NEED A SMTP SREVER

OR EVEN A PAID ONE

[opal pagoda]

internal one?

[solemn otter]

i just need one so i can send mail for email activation and product codes

[main hazel]

setting one up takes atleas year to get the domain to not be blocked by mailfilters so

[opal pagoda]

so you just want a custom email for reciving mails?
cloudflare email routing

[solemn otter]

sending

[opal pagoda]

nope

[solemn otter]

it HAS to be SMTP

[opal pagoda]

good luck and stay sane lmao

[main hazel]

smtp is not authenticated you can use any

[main hazel]

smtp.freesmtpservers.com

[umbral meadow]

I found my solution using mellanox cards with 1 x qsfp56 port which can just use a qsfp28 cable to connect them to qsfp28 switch

I assume the mellanox cards can connect to any qsfp28 based switch not need8ng a specific one like the one fs links

[plain siren]

Use Amazon SES?

[solemn otter]

its for a peice of software i use

so it needs SMTP tls

[topaz patrol]

Amazon SES…

[solemn otter]

is it free?

[autumn fossil]

would a used brocade 10U router be overkill for a small business?

[umbral meadow]

So uplink ports on a switch is for switch to switch downlink is for switch to pc etc

Right

Or is downlink switch to pc and uplinks switch to internet

[solemn otter]

i hate life

[opal pagoda]

yes

power consumption alone would be insane

[umbral meadow]

So uplink ports on a switch is for switch to switch downlink is for switch to pc etc? Or is downlink switch to pc and uplinks switch to internet @opal pagoda

[autumn fossil]

power is almost free here its .08 cents per KW

got a DL580 in the garage currently for a plex server, gonna reconfigure it as a NAS

[opal pagoda]

nowadays it doesent matter
they are configurable same way as any port on a switch

[opal pagoda]

top one

bottom one

are you still ok with this?

[umbral meadow]

Even if it doesn't matter now which is which martin

[opal pagoda]

in the tipical access or leaf switch configuration they would be connected to the aggregation or core layer

[autumn fossil]

Hmm maybe not. i know last night i pulled 12 of them and about 9 cards worth of cables

ill let the small business know they should look at some prosumer gear like ubiquity

[umbral meadow]

https://www.fs.com/products/149848.html?now_cid=3256

Might use dis den with its line modules

[opal pagoda]

i wouldnt use ubiquiti in any business enviroment

[autumn fossil]

they need a router capable of single mode LC connections

[opal pagoda]

10g?

[autumn fossil]

25

[opal pagoda]

just router or a firewall?

[autumn fossil]

router

[opal pagoda]

https://mikrotik.com/product/ccr2004_1g_12s_2xs
or you can do your routing on a l3 switch like nexus

[autumn fossil]

looks like an excellent solution thank you

[topaz patrol]

There is a free tier

[topaz patrol]

Super solid, seems to go fine with full table bgp

[umbral meadow]

https://www.fs.com/products/149848.html?now_cid=3079 i think this would be a nice switch to use with the modules

Until ubiquiti makes their own qsfp28 switch

Been debating mixing a opnsense machine and ubiquiti

Tho idk if i should just use ubiquitis

[opal pagoda]

why are you scared of mixing vendors
network equipment is preatty interchangable

[umbral meadow]

For homelab is there something better then ubiquiti

[opal pagoda]

lots of options out there

something that doesent crash on the backplane

[umbral meadow]

Might use opnsense router and ubiquiti switches ap and cameras

[umbral meadow]

Is there better security cameras doe hmm

[opal pagoda]

fyi using ubiquiti cameras locks you into their ecosystem

[umbral meadow]

I could do ruckus and opnsense

[mental birch]

0.08 cents is too much it's around 0.05 where i live

[umbral meadow]

Opnsense with ubiquiti switches n cameras and aps seems best option

[topaz patrol]

Ewie ubnt

[umbral meadow]

?

[topaz patrol]

They’re just such a missed opportunity in my mind

Ubiquiti devices could be absolutely amazing if they put in just a little more effort to have the product polished

[umbral meadow]

Id say their cameras and switches etc r good just not router n firewall

[topaz patrol]

No support for third party NVRs, quite shitty quality for the price, and UBNT has quite a short lifecycle for most products

[umbral meadow]

@topaz patrol Do u know if plugging in a device that doesn't use poe to a poe port have bad times

Or is it safe

[topaz patrol]

As long as the switch isn't passive 24/48v, or configured in passive mode, it is safe

[pseudo blade]

Devices SHOULD tolerate it as they should have magnetics that isolate the port from the device (no direct connection from cable to chips). Like most computers don't care even if there is voltage being transmitted, only the cheapest junk doesn't have them.
Primary risk is to 24v etc. passive PoE devices getting 48V.

Like if it kills a device that isn't PoE... get a refund because it's defective.

That said I don't like tempting fate and giving devices voltages they didn't ask for.

[umbral meadow]

https://www.fs.com/products/228565.html?now_cid=3086 hmmm

2.4 4 x 4 5 4 x 4 5 4 x 4 6 4 x 4

Nice

They r a thousand each doe

I could use fs stuff but it's prob not as streamlined

[opal pagoda]

enterprise wap has a enterprise price

[topaz patrol]

Since when does FS make everything

[opal pagoda]

it requires a wireless controller too that costs 5k

[opal pagoda]

they take a oem product and whitelabel it

easy to get huge product line