networking

[distant wedge]

Do you have any more questions you'd like to ask @tepid trail

Also when you say signalling device, you mean like a tester?

[tepid trail]

Test device that sends out a tone and comes with a probe

https://www.amazon.com/Klein-Tools-Tone-Probe-PRO/dp/B07VYN98QV/

[tepid trail]

Are Cat6/Cat6a same connectors? Same size of the wires? Or are Cat6a thicker than Cat6?

[distant wedge]

I think 6a is a little bit bigger than 6, I can't quite remember

[distant wedge]

we call those tone probes, they help with locating cables

https://www.amazon.com/Southwire-Equipment-M550-Continuity-Tester/dp/B01ADWQ94A One of my senior techs uses this, Says it's a good tool to carry in your pockets if you don't want to run back to find something

[south blade]

HORRIBLE speeds on my OPNsense box, no idea what I did besides messing 'Shaper' to try and get bufferbloat down. I tried disabling everything I made in there, Pipes, Queues, Rules, but speeds look the same. This is T-Mobile Home Internet, doing a speed test on the WiFi from their box shows 53/12, from my hardware it's showing 2/10...

[thick minnow]

Is there any way to get Free limited vps {without any credit card}

[peak cloak]

No not really, it costs money to operate such things.

What are you trying to do? There may be free solutions out there that aren't a vps

You may be able to get a vps for a limited time using credits from a promotion

GitHub student gives you 100 bucks digitalocean I believe

[thick minnow]

Run a GPT bot,
feed it youtube video's transcription

[thick minnow]

Ty, will check out

[woeful dust]

anybody know why my internet speed suddenly went from 800 mbps down to 80 mbps down? went for an outing and came back to a bad connection

[grand portal]

I usually try rebooting the router for that, or check if the ISP has any issues currently

[woeful dust]

unplugged every cable related to my internet lol, i'll do that tho

do "outages" necessarily mean that it just isnt working at all

but yes the amount of outages reported did spike

[grand portal]

not necessarily, what ever issue the ISP is having could just cause a massive slow down

[woeful dust]

k

[grand portal]

I'm not saying that is your issue, but normally my first option, especially if what the router is receiving is the 80mb.

[dreamy berry]

I successfully made my old PC into a home Server. But do u guys have any more ideas what to do with it, besides a NAS?

[thick minnow]

Virtual machine

[haughty latch]

pihole server + unbound recursive dns resolver + vpn server so you can use it on the go etc

never be at the mercy of a big dns provider ever again

if you have a static ip go for wireguard if you have a dynamic ip and rely on dyndns go for openvpn or other stuff that can properly work with dyndns (wireguard is a nightmare with dyndns)

[granite bluff]

I am

so so so so so so so mad right now

4-5 years
of owning this fucking router and I just find out it has built in MoCA support

I've been dealing with a dogshit 5 ghz connection for the past 4-5 years

[ripe coral]

So I'll try to draw something in paint to make this easier to describe but right now I have a proxmox server running a virtualized pfsense in it. The management port on my proxmox server is connected to my current router so that I can get through setting everything up before I replace our xfinity one. The old net is 8.0/24 and the new net will be 5.0/24. How do I pass the proxmox management port through to the virtualized pfsense? Do I need to run a short cable from one nic to the other or can I just pass it through to the VM?

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo @hollow marlin I want to switch to Cisco at work

[clear igloo]

Dew it!! Or go Fortinet or Extreme 😝

[rocky badge]

no thanks

Cisco

One of our netgear pro AV M4250 series switch shit itself last night and stopped passing traffic & stopped powering PoE

To "fix" it we had to pull its plug and reboot. And its done this before

[clear igloo]

Damn, no thanks, lol. That sounds bad

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo Is 9300 high performance worth it lol

[clear igloo]

Depends on need

[rocky badge]

Like what

[wary isle]

Hi I have a problem - I build a NAS with an old Optiplex 7010 I got for free, used OMV for it, it seems to run fine but - whatever I do - no matter if idle or not, it uses 50W... 25W idle would be okay for me, could it be that the spindown doesnt really work in OMV?

Specs are: 12GB DDR 3 1333 RAM (Crucial), 2x 14TB Exos Server HDDs, and an uhm... Intel i7-3770

275W PSU

[opal pagoda]

problem isnt hdd spinning, problem is old hardware
its the tradeoff of getting free/cheap hardware vs power consumption

you could try to undervolt the cpu if mobo supports it

[wary isle]

what would be an alternative?

[wary isle]

its 22W without HDDs btw

Im sadly on a tight budget, a synology NAS would be under 200€ and very power-saving, does a syn-nas really need to be connected to the internet at all times, heard smth like this a while ago

[opal pagoda]

i personally use a nuc like pc with intel celeron in it

[wary isle]

how do you store the hdds?

[opal pagoda]

sips power and its fanless, costed me 24$

[wary isle]

I got a Pi4 4GB flying around

[opal pagoda]

i use external drives

[wary isle]

is it a valid choice to buy 2 hdd to usb controlers? can I still make a raid 1 from that?

[opal pagoda]

i dont use omw so i dont know if usb drives are supported

[wary isle]

I could switch to unraid, trunas - dont really care

as long as my server grade 14TB HDDs run without on/off they should be fine

usb 3 should have good to full speed?

https://www.amazon.de/IB-RD3621U3-Externes-RAID-System-Standby-schwarz/dp/B01N6AJUEI/ref=sr_1_3?content-id=amzn1.sym.8d22616f-4512-4e76-aa37-c0978f0619b2:amzn1.sym.8d22616f-4512-4e76-aa37-c0978f0619b2&keywords=usb+raid+gehäuse+3,5&pd_rd_r=557bd44e-8431-4499-bf26-aa730e849839&pd_rd_w=pFUqv&pd_rd_wg=MKZCn&pf_rd_p=8d22616f-4512-4e76-aa37-c0978f0619b2&pf_rd_r=HQNCQCM4FYDXQEE10F32&qid=1692574239&sr=8-3&language=en_GB&currency=EUR

these do also exist

or two of these: usb gehäuse 3,5

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/UGREEN-Enclosure-External-Supply-Tool-Free/dp/B076WS2WJ6/ref=sr_1_17?crid=3Q64DUZSX4XYY&keywords=usb+gehäuse+3%2C5&qid=1692574322&sprefix=usb+gehäuse+3+5%2Caps%2C74&sr=8-17

those x2 dont look shabby: https://www.amazon.de/-/en/SABRENT-Docking-Station-Enclosure-External/dp/B00LS5NFQ2/ref=sr_1_15?crid=L21ZRXZB2DNQ&keywords=icy+box+festplatten+3.5&qid=1692574868&sprefix=icy+box+festplatten+3.5%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-15

[wary isle]

anyway thanks already - what capacity of drives do you use? Which type/brand? And what NAS OS?

[white prairie]

hey so basically i have my 2.4ghz and 5ghz bands on one network connection, but basically i want to know if its possible to force a device onto one band without splitting them to two connections, it seems that all of the devices go onto the 5ghz band and idk why

[opal pagoda]

i use casaos which isnt really nas os but it works great for my usecase, drives i use is 2x segate backup+ hub 4tb, i think they are smr, i dont raid them, i use one as a regular drive and other one to do snapshot backups of first one

[wary isle]

Gonna order a usb housing then

Gonna copy stuff manually from time to time to the other one then

Electricity is so expansive here

[opal pagoda]

nah no need, just use something like duplicati in a docker container, you can even back up important folders to cloud storage
i find that if something important relies on manual process it gets done couple of times and then forgoten about when you actually need it

[worn viper]

Is raspberry pi 4 overkill for pi hole? If it is which model would you recommend

[shadow nacelle]

G’day everyone, hoping this is the right channel for this

I am looking for some advice about an 8 bay NAS. The quick version is I’m thinking the DS 1821+ will be what I get as I only need a NAS for a media server and steam storage.

The long version, my hesitation is that I’ve just started using PLEX and my client devices will be computers and maybe a phone (not likely tho) and my understanding is that the transcoding is done on the server, not client. I’m new to the tech side of things, so I’m struggling to find the correct information for my use case, but is it possible to get the transcoding done on the client instead? If not on PLEX then is there another alternative that’s user friendly? Thanks in advance

[pseudo tinsel]

The only thing you can control client-side is using an app/player that supports the native encoding of the video you're streaming, and simply streaming at max quality. It won't do any transcoding in that case, just use more bandwidth.

If for example you have an mkv h265 video, you can't play that in a browser iirc, so either the server has to transcode, or you use a desktop/phone app that does natively support it.

[shadow nacelle]

No worries. The transcoding isn’t currently an issue as everything I have is 1080p but was thinking for when I upgrade my TV/monitor. I’ve also been thinking about just downloading the movies on the PC’s as I need them when I do get the new TV which won’t be a problem (unless that’s bad for the NAS drives but I assume not).

I’m guessing that NAS will be good for what I need (PLEX/steam) and I’ll eventually make it a backup when I eventually make my own server, but that’s a while away.

I was also wondering about HDD’s. I’ll use Synology Hybrid RAID with 4 4TB drives I already have then eventually upgrade when I know what are good drives to use. I’ve been told EXOS and Ironwolf Pro drives are good, just wondering if that’s the case or not.

[fallow wing]

you can make virtual NICs in proxmox and assign them to your VM
I have a win server 19 and OPNsense, I made a vNIC (linux bridge) and assigned it to both the srv and OPN, it works out just as intended

[fallow wing]

wait, I don't think I read you correctly, give me a sec

@ripe coral no okay, what I was saying was right, you can assign the port of your motherboard to your pfsense

but I strongly recommand to not detach the webui from the physical port to put it on a vNIC to the pfsense to put it behind said pfsense, while possible it is a considerable hassle to deal with if you fuck something up and don't have access to your webui anymore because the pfsense is down

here's my whole network

right machine is my proxmox
middle machine is my permanent terminal
as you can see, the terminal and the proxmox are hooked up on the motherboard ETH ports
I made it so the webui is accessible only on the motherboard port (so outside access isn't possible or at least it's a real heck of a hassle to gain access)

this way, remote control of the proxmox and the OPNsense isn't possible (I think), their interfaces only listen in on the ports I allow them to listen to and since the only machine able to do that is the terminal, it's, imo, pretty much locking out foreign access

does that make sense ?

[ripe coral]

Yeah

So there is a vbridge with an ip already assigned to the motherboard port. Are you saying in the pfsense vm, add another network device and select the motherboard vnic?

[fallow wing]

uh

no

it's even dumber than that

go to the hardware tab of your pfsense VM, add an interface, tell it to use the motherboard port too
you just have to reboot the VM to save and have it act on the changes, then make sure it's properly recognized as a new interface in pfsense

I never used pfsense btw but there's a great deal of similarities with OPNsense from what I have seen in tutorials so I'm working off that

wait

Are you saying in the pfsense vm, add another network device and select the motherboard vnic?
yes it's exactly that

holy shit am I tired today
have a hard time processing what I read

well, there's a nuance though

not in the pfsense VM but on the proxmox webui

then the pfsense VM

because you effectively have to change the hardware it is using (unless you already had the motherboard port assigned to it ?)

[ripe coral]

So will the proxmox port be accessable physically afterwards or no?

[fallow wing]

of course
it bridges both connections on the same port but you can most definitely access it

[ripe coral]

Ok

Sounds good, ill try it when I’m off work

[fallow wing]

aye

[ripe coral]

alright want to confirm, do I slave enp0s31f6 (physical port) to vmbr2 (virtual port for the LAN of the pfSense VM) or do I slave vmbr0 (virtual port of proxmox physical port) to vmbr2?

@fallow wing

[fallow wing]

You don't slave anything, you just assign the same vmbr slaved to the motherboard port to your pfSense as a network interface
Go to the hardware tab of your pfSense VM, give it a new network interface, tell it it'll be the vmbr of the mobo's port

[thick minnow]

Hello

I want to install ethernet into my new place but don't want to drill through any ceilings is their a solution?

[fallow wing]

drill through walls ?

[thick minnow]

Yeah

But that doesn't solve the flooring problem

[fallow wing]

well, I'll assume you have stairs since you have floors
so you can run a cable that goes to a switch upstairs that then splits to the different rooms

[thick minnow]

Good idea thanks

Just don't want to drill through ceilings due to having popcorn ceiling

[peak cloak]

you have coax? use moca

[thick minnow]

No I only have satellite

[peak cloak]

no, like in the walls?

[thick minnow]

Yeah

We haven't got coax

The satellite cable is only in the lounge aswell

whoa! old school networking cable at best. Run cat 5E wires where you can. You can create a gig ethernet backbone that everyone in the facility can use (for a fee, right?)

It's the most common business solution, to run cat5e gig ethernet cable, for up to 255 desktops

[fallow wing]

5E and 6 are basically the same price on Amazon, he can get 6

[thick minnow]

Not gonna argue. cat6 works great

cheap wins, in my book, amiright?

[fallow wing]

In mine, it's second cheapest usually

[thick minnow]

but it's a factor, right? That's my point

[storm atlas]

Cheapest self hosted VPN option? I tried mutahar's one using oracle servers but it was a pain to connect to and I came back today to find my instance was deleted so I can't trust that for shit it seems.
VPNs here get IP range blocked easily, even Mozilla's VPN does. So I figured self hosting one would be best. But ffs its such a pain to get working. Can someone give me a direction to go in

[thick minnow]

you want to avoid the scammer, of course

[fallow wing]

Ye for sure

[thick minnow]

Never done Server VPN stuff. Client side, sure

[fallow wing]

I can't help you but I gotta ask, where are you ?

[wary isle]

Is it possible to run OMV or trueNAS in combination with duplicati and a pi hole? Or will my Pi4 explode?

Damn... whoever invented auto-correct shall go to HELLO

[fallow wing]

I've seen networks with a pihole and a TrueNAS, I don't know what duplicati is and I don't see any reason why your Pi4 would explode, what is it currently doing ?

[wary isle]

Currently nothing, gonna set it up tomorrow with two sata-to-usb connected 14TB Exos Hdds .. duplicati is mirroring the hdds once a day

[fallow wing]

But

Why

[storm atlas]

UK, its very strange and nitpicky about what does and doesnt get blocked its almost bizarre. most blatant and well known torrent sites are untouched etc, some streaming stuff is 100% a pain to get to, and so on. also my initial message isnt entirely the point, lots of sites i use block VPNs so its not purely a country thing. basically i just want to set up a vpn through a sitel ike linode (?) not sure if theyre ideal but ive seen theyre an option

[wary isle]

The optiplex I got for free draws power as f.... @fallow wing

[fallow wing]

The considerable effort your Pi4 will have to do to mirror FOURTEEN TERABYTES EVERYDAY, isn't there a better solution to do that ? Like put that drive in TrueNAS and tell it to copy whatever you wanna mirror in it

[fallow wing]

What OptiPlex ?

*which

[wary isle]

7010, i7 variant

Draws constantly 50W

[fallow wing]

Very strange... Hmmmm curious I can't figure out why that would happen to you for any reason

[fallow wing]

constantly ???
And you only got TrueNAS on it, yeah ?

[wary isle]

Duplicati only backsup changes made

[wary isle]

No matter if idle or not... currently OpenMefiaVault

[fallow wing]

Did you check the BIOS for potential power draw options ?

[wary isle]

AFAIK yes

With ssd only its 22W

No spindown I guess

[storm atlas]

either way i have wanted to set up a self hosted VPN anyway and this gives me an excuse to do the project but good god im fucking dumb i guess so i came here

[fallow wing]

Hmmmmm maybe it's an OMV setting ? I'd check with the BIOS first but if it's not the BIOS, I'd think it's OMV though I know nothing of that system so I can't speak definitively

[peak cloak]

self hosted for bypassing content or accessing home resources?

[wary isle]

Yeah gonna give trueNAS a try tomorrow

[fallow wing]

Lmao I feel your pain mate
I have the same exact problem whenever I try to do something new on my network, I'm stumped and look for a solution everywhere

[peak cloak]

you don't want selfhosted then, you want a cloud one. Mullvad is good

[peak cloak]

why not, just use them as storage for them

create a folder, and mount duplicati to use it

[storm atlas]

bypassing content, just want to use my pc at home but pinging through USA or somewhere in europe etc

[wary isle]

What bios options do you think off? Maybe I didn't see some options, happens in our IT office quite often, 6 eye-controll helps

Dell bios is also huge pain

[fallow wing]

I'll have to monitor the consumption of my TrueNAS, I'm curious how much it draws, is there a tool in the machine to know that or do you just use a dumb multimeter ?

[wary isle]

Socket multimeter

[peak cloak]

just pay for mullvad

[storm atlas]

put £5 into it once, wasnt long before somewhere had it IP range blocked

[peak cloak]

change server then?

[fallow wing]

Should get one of these and turn on my machines one by one to check

[peak cloak]

you could pay for a cloud VPS, you will still have issues with blocks

[wary isle]

Got one made in Germany for 12 € , sadly they don't have other socket types than our German one AFAIK

Do hdds go into spindown/suspension mode in trueNAS? @fallow wing

[fallow wing]

Aye they do

Uh
Iirc
Might want to double check TrueNAS documentation on that

[wary isle]

I know Exos are loud but the same Wattage means it obviously doesn't do spindown

ugh I hate the stupid Dell Bios - drives me mad at work enough already

uhm wait a sec - trueNAS should be able to mirror the exos even if its connected by usb, right?

gonna try both variants and do some measurements

[fallow wing]

Sure does
Personally I mounted 1 SSD 3 HDDs to my TrueNAS when it was in my OptiPlex, worked just as intended
Ironwolf HDDs are crazy silent man

[wary isle]

maybe OMV is the villain

[fallow wing]

Maybe ?

[fallow wing]

As long as it's mounted and you're sure it's not gonna come off, you can mount the drives just fine and have them perform operations

[wary isle]

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Seagate-Enterprise-Hyperscale-FastFormat-Improved/dp/B08JV7N6J1/ref=sr_1_1?crid=WR899HAKDWUO&keywords=exos+16tb&qid=1692663460&s=digital-text&sprefix=exos+16tb%2Cdigital-text%2C74&sr=1-1

got these badboys

[fallow wing]

How much ?

[wary isle]

I hate dell for putting hdds face-down

[fallow wing]

I hate dell

[wary isle]

got them from a German reseller for 230 each

[fallow wing]

Huh
Got my Ironwolf 4TB for 100 a pop

Amazon of course

[wary isle]

its 16TB EACH LUL

[fallow wing]

I don't need 16TB each plus you said they were loud

And I don't have the budget for 230 drives when I need 3 minimum for a raid-5

Literally 130% increase in budget

[wary isle]

Its going to be a data-storage for us and other family members

everyone gets a slice of the cake 🙂

[fallow wing]

And you need 16TB ?
You could have went with 4TB drives, put them in raid 5 or raid 6 and it would have done the same job with more performance and less noise

[peak cloak]

just make sure to do offsite backups..

[wary isle]

4TBs are expansive as hell right now - I dunno why

[fallow wing]

The money you saved could have went in a motherboard with more SATA ports

[peak cloak]

no need

[fallow wing]

It's still 100€ tho
And you need 5

[peak cloak]

just get a PCIE card

[fallow wing]

Stupid expensive for some reason
And I prefer avoiding intermediates whenever I can

[peak cloak]

it's what's done in the enterprise world so it's not bad

[wary isle]

offsite backups are already made

[peak cloak]

you can get one for less than 100 bucks

used ofc

as long as it has IT Mode

[fallow wing]

Ehhhhh sure but I mean, avoiding intermediates is also a good rule of thumb to follow whenever possible
He can reuse the CPU and RAM, getting a mobo with extra sata ports will be more useful to him than an extension card (maybe)

[peak cloak]

or direct mode

[peak cloak]

eh, depends on the thing. Using usb is worse than just using pcie which is a robust solution

[fallow wing]

The robust solution here is to get a mobo with more ports lmao
It literally avoids all possible shortcuts since it is direct access

[wary isle]

CPU and RAM are fine, its not the stock RAM by Dell

[peak cloak]

those work on the same principal, it's still going to an onboard SATA controller, which has a pcie link to CPU, it's no different and what is done in enterprise

[wary isle]

getting a mobo for - damn what was the 3rd Gen i7 socket? 1151? 1150? Ugh... - still possible?

[fallow wing]

Old boards with 6 ports are cheap and that's literally all he needs
1 for boot drive, 5 others for 4TB drives
He slots them in a RAID-1 boom, 16TB of failsafe storage

[fallow wing]

Damn right buddy
Got an almost brand new one, barely used, with an i5-4590k and 2x8 ram for like what
100€ ?

[peak cloak]

can get a sata controller for $30

[fallow wing]

Or again, get direct access/control on what the system does by shortcutting intermediaries and spending the money saved on big ass HDDs on one of these boards

[wary isle]

btw I still have an 650W PSU flying around my flat - Silver or bronze rated - better than the 275 stock one when it comes to consumption?

[peak cloak]

@fallow wing

[fallow wing]

You can't put a Dell PSU on a consumer board, they got proprietary pinouts

[wary isle]

obviously this one seems to have been swapped at some point

has all necessary connections

[fallow wing]

An additional part is a failure point, reducing the failure points is a good thing, no ?

[peak cloak]

yes, kinda but a failed external controller is easier to replace than an integrated controller

[fallow wing]

Wait what
What board is in there, an OptiPlex one ??

[peak cloak]

plus enterprise ones are designed to last a long time vs a cheap integrated controller

[wary isle]

4-pin cpu, 24 main, a lot of sata...

[fallow wing]

An integrated one should be more robust than an external one and we don't want a controller dying on us halfway through a data transfer, especially when multiple drives are hooked up to it...

[wary isle]

pretty standard for the lower end of things

[fallow wing]

Weird

[wary isle]

I was astonished as well

[fallow wing]

I've never seen a consumer PSU hooked up to a Dell board since they've got proprietary pinouts and connectors

[wary isle]

its a dell board

[fallow wing]

Fascinating

[wary isle]

I was already making plans on how to get adaptors - opened it and my face slipped like WTF?!

[peak cloak]

eh, I disagree since those are meant to last a long time + often some of them have integrated batteries to prevent data loss

[fallow wing]

I doubt that's the 30$ kind tho

[wary isle]

the thin clients and itx towers are a propietary-pain in the a... though 😄

[peak cloak]

stuff likehttps://www.ebay.com/itm/133410498701

[fallow wing]

Yep that's for sure

[peak cloak]

or you go on r/homelabsales

[fallow wing]

Huh interesting
I wonder if there's such tech on the markets here

[fallow wing]

Didn't know that sub, will have a look then

[wary isle]

I have to go to bed I think - has been a day of fixing stupid printers, dell stuff and clearing storage rooms at work - dead tired gonna report tomorrow

[fallow wing]

Yeah same

Almost 3AM
Brain burnt out a while ago

[wary isle]

yeah same here - 3am already?! dear lord

[fallow wing]

2:40 for me

[wary isle]

for me too

didnt look at the time stamps

[fallow wing]

Damn

Off to bed I go then
See y'all

[mental crystal]

what I should put it on? (my internet is 1GB)

[peak cloak]

auto

[long pecan]

ive just learned that the founder of ubiquiti used to work at apple, and it was their shitty wifi that made him wanna start a networking company

[long pecan]

network speed is measured in Gb not GB, very similar but not the same

[turbid rampart]

Just got my new obbi router, pain in the ass to setup, I had to try to figure out how to set it up without the wifi being connected

[grand portal]

random question.... Is TrueNAS tied to hardware like Windows is / used to be?

like, I want to set up a TrueNAS server, but the initial PC I wanted it to run on, doesn't seem very stable, so whilst I debug and resolve the issue, can I run temporarily run it on an older, but more stable system?

obviously I'd had to move the drives with it, that's fine

[fallow wing]

Took my TrueNAS' boot drives and RAID drives out of the OptiPlex it was in, put them in a custom build, booted it up, worked out effortlessly
Hell, adding a NIC was harder lmao

[grand portal]

nice! thnak you 🙂

because I'm far too impatient, I'll likely go ahead and build it in the older system then. (AMD Athlon X4, 12GB DDR3 RAM) 🤣 🤣

[wary isle]

oh hi @fallow wing - gonna try truNAS in a few mins

[fallow wing]

Ah good for you !

[fallow wing]

I mean, it would work

[wary isle]

The noise issue seems really to be an OMV one - as far as I researched this morning

@fallow wing you dont randomly happen to know why displayport is such an issue when it comes to BIOS in dell PCs?

at work its like a lottery - does it work or will it piss me off

[fallow wing]

Uh no ? I never had that kind of issues before so I wouldn't know

[grand portal]

I agree not the best, but I'm impatient! lol eventually I'd it run on a AMD FX8350 Black Edition, 16GB DDR4

[fallow wing]

Unless there's a lot of custom settings, I'd recommend a BIOS reset and reconfig to be sure there is no outta whack setting, otherwise idk

[fallow wing]

That AM3, yeah ?

[grand portal]

yeah

AM3+ but close enough

[wary isle]

I thought about gettin a Ryzen 3 3rd Gen, a 450M Board and a smaller case later this year

[fallow wing]

What's your budget here

[wary isle]

300€ was my goal

[fallow wing]

You have the drives already, yeah ?

[wary isle]

yep

[fallow wing]

What country ?

[wary isle]

Germany

[fallow wing]

I can look up some parts if you want something with a bit more juice than a Ryzen 3-3

TrueNAS can run VMs and containers for many things

[wary isle]

all a question of efficency - energy cost is what matters most

[grand portal]

I just realised AM3 is still DDR3, so I got that part wrong lol

[wary isle]

DDR3 is still fine

you get really good ram for really cheap

[viscid flax]

So i havz some old desktops around but what would bz fun things that i could run on them ( i already have a NAS that is just a fileserver)

[fallow wing]

Fair enough
Well, in that regard, I'm almost certain Dell's OptiPlex's PSUs are among the best in term of efficiency
The one I got is labelled 80+ Gold so that should say something
And they're built like a tank since they can hold for over a decade without replacement

[wary isle]

I have unlimited resupply of spare parts via work xD

we butcher the old dells completley out before throwing them away 😉

[fallow wing]

Minecraft server ?
My ProxMox has WinSRV19 virtualized on it, I have my Minecraft server running in it for the boys

[grand portal]

yeah very true! just gotta figure out if it's RAM, Mobo or CPU that's causing it to be unstable lol

[fallow wing]

...how much would it cost me to get a care package of spares ?

[viscid flax]

That actually sounds fun, any tutorial you can send me my way?

[fallow wing]

[wary isle]

depends on what my boss wants to be in storage or nor 😄

[fallow wing]

Aye, sure my guy
I'm not home now but I send it to ya, even help you if needed

[fallow wing]

I'll take your entire stock and three more

[viscid flax]

Thanks mate!! I'll see after the tutorial if they meet the specs requirments

[wary isle]

We dont get that much stuff for our rigs xD

[fallow wing]

Honestly they should
I mean what are the specs of the machine you're gonna host it on ?

[wary isle]

cooler, fans, storage brackets 😛

[grand portal]

that actually does sound awesome! I might have to look at that for a future upgrade

[wary isle]

sadly I have to ask everytime I need something xD

[fallow wing]

Well, what I'd want if you can spare are a couple extra OPlex PSUs, a few 1150 CPUs and sticks of DDR3
I'm grabbing them from wherever I can get a hold of them for cheapo
Mostly where there is surplus

[viscid flax]

Well i have a really old one which i have to fire up to see again (still has windows 7 i think and only a HDD but i can swap that out with an sata SSD thzt i got from a laptop) and don't think it has a graphics card

The other is a bit more recent but again i'll need to check the exact specs haven't been used for many years but we used thz game on the most recent one

Both intel tho

[wary isle]

TrueNAS is not reccomending a RAID in their core version? LUL

[fallow wing]

Contrary to popular belief, a Minecraft server doesn't need a GPU
It just need to simulate the game's environment, it's on the clients' side to run graphics

[viscid flax]

Aight that's good

[fallow wing]

SCALE is better for that, I'm using their 22 Bluefin version

[wary isle]

I only have two disks

core should be fine

do they use BTRFS?

[fallow wing]

wat dis ?

[wary isle]

file system

like ext4

[fallow wing]

ZFS

[wary isle]

oh nice - much better

[fallow wing]

Aye

Put mine in RAID-Z1 which is the ZFS version of RAID-5

[wary isle]

whats RAID 1 in ZfS terms then?

[fallow wing]

They got Z2 for 6 and Z3 for what should be theoretically 7 lol

[fallow wing]

Just mirror

[wary isle]

yeah - terminology messup at its easiest 🙂

[fallow wing]

It's not really a mess, it's much more straightforward than many other pieces of software tbh

[wary isle]

Does anyone see any benefits from Raid 0? I ll never understand why its used at all - if not for higher Raid instances

[wary isle]

I really need an irony button for the internet

[fallow wing]

It has benefits but rather limited ones, it really isn't safe to use it if you don't know what you're doing

[viscid flax]

Oke so specs from the oldest system:

Cpu: inter (R) core(Tm)2 quad cpu Q6600 @ 2.4GHz

4GB ram dual channel DDR2

[fallow wing]

...not good

[viscid flax]

I have a better one

Also i fcked around with it and it can't find the boot drive lemme open it up

Somehow it just booted kekw

[fallow wing]

It do be like that

[viscid flax]

Lemme go check the other specs as well gimme a sec to grab it

[wary isle]

nah truenas scale is indeed the right option I see

btw is 25W idle good fpr a nas?

Thats what I expect once setup - but some people said Optiplex 7010 hardware eats immense power

[peak cloak]

yes, you can increase performance

you can do some pretty complex stuff, by having like 2 drives in raid 0, then 2 vdevs in mirror or raidz1, etc.

[wary isle]

yes, thats a valid use case - but there are ppl simply using raid 0 without anything else

[peak cloak]

yeah that's a bad idea, unless it's simply for perfomance and like temporary storage

that it doesn't matter if it's gone

[viscid flax]

Are cables that run to psu's interchangeable?

[fallow wing]

yes, those are dumb standard, it's the ones between the PSU and the PC's running parts that you have to watch out for

[fallow wing]

considering brand NAS are like 6 to 18W, I'd say 25 for a full blown handbuilt/setup'd machine is pretty decent

[fallow wing]

even then, the performance gains aren't particularly impressive either, you could just invest in SSDs or NVMes and that would be a massive boost too

[wary isle]

anything under 30 in idle is alright to me

[fallow wing]

gotta check what's the power draw of my machines, I wonder

[peak cloak]

nvme in raid 0

[wary isle]

I thought for an i7 the 3rd Gen its good when it comes to power consumption - TDP max 65W

[peak cloak]

hyper fast for stuff like media editing

[grand portal]

this may be a large topic, but one of my main cases for my homelab is running a media server, mostly playing through a Samsung smart TV or FireStick, thoughts on best server to go for? Emby vs Plex vs JellyFin?

[viscid flax]

Lmao hitting the f keys to go into the bios but not plugging your keyboard in....

[grand portal]

I'm erring on side of JellyFin, as I ONLY want stream my media, not live TV or any other crap, I have a TV for that. but then it seems Plex is available on more devices....

[fallow wing]

can't tell you about that, I built my NAS then my proxmox with the same OptiPlex but either it's a one-off, either you just have a bad one or the series of the one you have is bad

[grand portal]

I've done faaaar too many times

[peak cloak]

I use jellyfin and it works great

supports roku and that's what I have for TV

[fallow wing]

oh yeah I bet
but for the sake of avoiding drive failure and then data loss, I'd imagine this is only used as a "current work repository" and the actual long term storage is on RAID'd drives on another machine

[viscid flax]

Specs second desktop:

Cpu: amd pro A8-9600 R7, 10 compute cores 4C+6G 3.1GHz

RAM: 8Gb dual channel DDR4

[grand portal]

interesting.... that's definitely a help

[fallow wing]

ah, an old APU that one, I mean, "old", it's not really recent either

[peak cloak]

you can do raid 0 but still be under raidz

it's a more complex storage arcitecture

[fallow wing]

isn't that the "stripped" option on TrueNAS ?

[peak cloak]

not sure

[visual tangle]

Yes*.

*Ideally you want them to be the same gauge. Depending on the expected power draw you don't want to use one substantially smaller in diameter than what it came with.

[viscid flax]

But it's enough or?

[peak cloak]

all I know is thats it's possible

[viscid flax]

Oh

[fallow wing]

oh it definitely should be, if it's on AM4, it's most likely to be more than good enough

[viscid flax]

Great now just gztting the old password

Otherwise i need to hack my way into it again kekw

[visual tangle]

For example, some monitors and TVs use the same pins as a desktop PSU.
And while the pin out is the same the expected power draw is a lot lower so they use a much less robust cable from wall to power supply.
Using the smaller cable meant for say a 200W load may be a poor choice for something capable of drawing 900+W.

[fallow wing]

anything important in it that you're aware of ? no ? wipe it.
unless you have a doubt or its a windows install, save yourself some time
if it's windows then it'll be faster to crack it than wipe lmao

[viscid flax]

I see but thus was meant for an even older desktop psu

[viscid flax]

It's a windows yeah

[fallow wing]

Rescatux is your friend
just reset the passwords, it'll crack it open under 3mn

[grand portal]

Windows 7 was easy to crack the password using Hirens Boot CD

[viscid flax]

How do i just reset the passwords

[fallow wing]

Rescatux is still updated to this day and works on win 10, maybe even win 11 although I didn't try it on 11 myself yet

[viscid flax]

I cracked it once by breaking the boot then go into file manager replacing sticky keys with cmd and then getting acces to a password

[grand portal]

interesting! I've never heard of that one, I'll have to dig it out

thanks! 🙂

[fallow wing]

put rescatux on a key, boot on it, the repair tool will open automatically, select the reset password option, let it do its thing do 1-2mn, reboot on windows, boom, you're in

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-hackerman-kung-fury-gif-7953536

[fallow wing]

check out medicat too, has rescatux built in and a massive amount of other tools too

[viscid flax]

Aight

[grand portal]

awesome! I'll look at adding it to my Ventoy pen drive

[fallow wing]

oh it's a standalone key, it actually needs ventoy to work

[grand portal]

I LOVE using Ventoy

[frosty stone]

no need for anything other than windows 7 to break into windows 7.
old startup repair gave you admin access to system32, replace sticky keys with cmd, reboot, spam a key to open cmd, and run whatever commands to change the password

[fallow wing]

you can't put medicat in a ventoy key
rather, it's a modified ventoy that has a whole bunch of tools and tool images in it

[viscid flax]

That's how i've done it once

[grand portal]

fair... I always used to Hirens as it was how I found out about it years ago lol

[grand portal]

ahhhhh ok, hmmmm slight downside then! was hoping to just stick with carrying the one pen drive around with me, but I guess having 2 drives one for OS images and one for utilities is probably helpful

[fallow wing]

yeah, I have a small tool sack (well actually the LTT tool sack) with my maintenance tools in them and a few USB keys and tools loaded with goodies

[shadow nacelle]

I’m looking at getting a NAS just as a media server and steam library dump. I’m planning on getting the synology ds1821+ is there anything I should know before pulling the trigger?

[grand portal]

I personally opted against a Synology NAS (admittedly mine was older! - Synology DS215) as I found quite slow

[fallow wing]

I wonder, should I make a steam cache...?
I kinda wanna do it since I have the capabilities to do it...
but I also have 2.5G download bandwidth and more than enough firepower to unpack the files as I download them so...

[peak cloak]

windows as long as it's not encrypted is super easy to reset password

[fallow wing]

synology budget NAS are slow asf
and their more recent "budget" options really aren't

[viscid flax]

I got in now it's updating

[shadow nacelle]

Haha it’s mostly just to put the games I don’t use off my main system as where I am my internet situation isn’t the greatest but for what you’re saying why not lol

[peak cloak]

somehow locked myself out of my computer admin rights, had to go through and use the BDE console to unlock bitlocker with my recovery key, change the registry to enable the build in administrator account

[peak cloak]

it only makes sense if there's a lot of steam users, if it's just one it makes no sense

[shadow nacelle]

That’s fair enough. I think my biggest concern was around transcoding but that won’t be an issue for a while

[fallow wing]

I mean, sure ? but... hmmmm, would it make it available to foreign users ? could I rent that to valve ?

[viscid flax]

@fallow wing do i dm you from here on out for the Minecraft server or how do you wanna do this

[fallow wing]

[shadow nacelle]

When you say you found it quite slow tho, what we’re you using it for. Just PLEX or something else as well?

[grand portal]

yep that's what I found, can't complain it cost me £50 with 6TB of drives in it... but it's my reason to move to TrueNAS

[peak cloak]

no, it's local only

plus there's already a steam feature that if you have a friend on the same network and they have a game that's in your library you can download it from them directly

[fallow wing]

oh it's pretty easy actually, I got a link for you, that's mostly all
although if you wanna use a proxy along with it, the installation process description I have got a couple flaws

[viscid flax]

Oh epic do you recommend the proxy? Also do i just run that on Windows or will i get better perormance if i run it on linux?

[fallow wing]

oh coolio, I didn't know that one, sweet

[fallow wing]

new drives ?

[peak cloak]

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/46BD-6BA8-B012-CE43

[grand portal]

as mentioned above, mine is an old budget NAS but I just found everything was slow, boot up was like a decade, and I don't think it even has Plex support, certainly not docker. so take my review with a hefty pinch of salt 🙂

[shadow nacelle]

Cheers for the help everyone. I do have a question that’s properly about networking as well. Is there a way to combine the power of the 4 LAN ports on a NAS i.e. 4X 1GbE combining into a 4GbE connection?

[peak cloak]

not really

[grand portal]

used, but not like end of life, SMART readings were all green

[fallow wing]

oh cool

[peak cloak]

you can get 4gb aggregated, but not for a single download session for example. You can have 4 clients download at gigabit, but not 1 at 4gig

[fallow wing]

he can't aggregate them into a 4Gbps link ?

[peak cloak]

nope

[fallow wing]

huh

[shadow nacelle]

@grand portal that’s fair. The WD one I used to own but never really used was ok for speed but I never really used it out of storing movies on it lol

[grand portal]

less useful going forward as I've purchased a couple of WD 2tb NAS SSDs for my new system

[fallow wing]

sweet
what are the NAS drives of WD already ? red ?

[shadow nacelle]

Damn! I was hoping that wasn’t the case but oh well lol

[grand portal]

yeah... let me find one

[peak cloak]

you can get a 10 gig pcie for cheap

[fallow wing]

what NAS are you running anyway

[grand portal]

2TB WD Red SA500, 2.5" NAS SSD, SATA III 6Gb/s, 3D NAND, 560MB/s Read, 530MB/s, 95k/85k IOPS

[shadow nacelle]

Yeah I was thinking about eventually upgrading to that but I’ll see how stock goes for now I think

[peak cloak]

for the exact reason:
Using a LAGG does not necessarily guarantee full throughput equal to the sum of all interfaces. In particular, a single flow will not exceed the throughput of a LAGG member interface. Traffic on a LAGG is hashed in such a way that flows between two hosts, such as this firewall and an upstream gateway, would only use a single link since the flow is between a single MAC address on each side.

[shadow nacelle]

I used to have a WD EX4 but half the drives failed just over a year ago and I have no idea how to fix it so I’m moving on ahahah

[fallow wing]

WD has been grilled some time ago for branding their NAS drives as NAS drives when really they were just advanced PC drives
but that was for HDDs, not SSDs, the HDD tech in them wasn't the same every other competitor was selling lol
I can't say anything about their SSDs though, I never worked with them

[grand portal]

yeah I saw that...

[peak cloak]

crucial or samsung are good for SSDs

got to read the specs of course as well

[grand portal]

I don't know about SSDs either.... but was only like £20 more than Crucial 2TB... so opted for NAS ones on the off chance

[fallow wing]

ohhhhh
but wait, that's if there is a firewall
you can still aggregate to a switch and if that switch got ports faster than GbE, it can still output 4GbE of bandwidth ?

[peak cloak]

that's just an example

that between 2 macs you can only have as high as a single port

so PC <-> NAS for example

[fallow wing]

but my example works, right ? so "all he has to do" is to get a switch with GbE ports AND higher bandwidth ports

like SFP, idk

[peak cloak]

no

still won't work, PC <-> NAS are 2 macs. The switch isn't really relevant

[fallow wing]

isn't aggregating kinda stupid then ? I mean, I'm sure it has plenty of relevant cases but that kinda pointless to do since you'll have to put these hypothetical clients on different interfaces anyway

I mean, if you can't hit the maximal bandwidth of the aggregate, might as well just get faster NICs

[peak cloak]

the point is for redudancy

and in an enterprise/business enviroment where total throughput matters

[shadow nacelle]

Damn. But I have to say, the way you’re explaining it is making a lot of sense, this has been very helpful

[shadow nacelle]

Totally get that it just seams like there should be a simple solution to be able to combine the features honestly, just a shame is all lol

[fallow wing]

no that's not what I meant
like
NAS<4x1GbE>switch<higher bandwidth port, like, idk, 2.5G or SFP ?>PC

[peak cloak]

yes I know that's what you meant

[fallow wing]

ah ok

hmmmmm

[peak cloak]

it hashes the connections by MAC, so it still sees the desination to be the PC

there may be some way to somehow get over a single connection, but it's not really supported/experimental

[fallow wing]

really makes you wonder why some tech in drive transfers can't be paralelled in network transfers
I thought that aggregates were like stripped/RAID-0, but for network and it would combine tne raw bandwidth of the aggregate

[peak cloak]

but I can't find anything

[shadow nacelle]

That was my thinking as well

[peak cloak]

it's completly different tech/inner workings

like for example, how to ensure the packets arrive in the right order

[fallow wing]

what if, on both ends, there is some sort of virtual funnel ?
like, the aggregated link's packets are glueds together and the output of that funnel is just one mac ?
and it does the thing in reverse, splitting up the passing data to chuck it into the different interfaces ?

[fallow wing]

you'd think if we can do this with drives, we can do this with switches and NICs lel
too bad that's not a thing- yet, hopefully

[peak cloak]

there are some things for combine 2 internet connections, where it gets combined on a cloud server. But it's very finicky

[peak cloak]

more like never prob, no real need for it exists

[fallow wing]

mhm I see
well hopefully that experimental/finecky tech gets its kinks sorted out so it can be used

[fallow wing]

I mean, it can be a software based solution to give more lifetime to GbE equipment ?
like, imagine a 48GbE+4SFP port switch, who's to say that some funni dudes coughLinusAndJakecough wouldn't use the GbE ports in an aggregate and output to the SFP just because its possible
that would make such a great video lmao
and I honestly think it would find its use cases around the world for cheap multi gig network options with GbE equipment

[shadow nacelle]

100% agree

[peak cloak]

no such existed for 10/100 eqipment so I doubt it will for gigabit

plus requires firmware changes on the old eqipment, so that won't happen

[fallow wing]

the software solution could only be on the endpoints : a piece of software on two machines, it makes an Xgbps vNIC, far superior to something possible, funnels all the data through, splits it up between the amount of available aggregated interfaces, everything works as intended between the two machines without ever changing the equipment or needing to update it, the receiving machine gets it through its own aggregated links, the corresponding piece of software gets the packets, mashes them in order, and outputs them on its own supersized vNIC to the client OS

am I making sense ?

[peak cloak]

kinda, where you are splitting up the data between 2 NICs

but I doubt there is a real big market need

so it won't be developed

[shadow nacelle]

That or someone makes some small sort of network controller that could be added or incorporated into a switch maybe?

[fallow wing]

OS>vNIC>splitter software>aggregated phyNICs>the exact reverse process on the receiving end

[fallow wing]

the need doesn't have to be big for someone interested enough to do it
that could very well be an open source software for small time solutions where it needs to be applied without spending a cent on extra/new equipment

[peak cloak]

yeah, sounds complicated to do though

[shadow nacelle]

As I don’t know much about that side of things I’m curious, would it be easy to do as a single transfer compared to a stream?

[peak cloak]

wdym

everything on the network is a steam

[fallow wing]

if drives can be put in RAID-0/stripped and even store data like this, I don't see why that couldn't be done wiht live netowkr connections

[shadow nacelle]

If someone was making that software wouldn’t it be easier to make for just transferring across a large file i.e. movie as it would just need to split the data into 4 different files I guess. Compared to actively watching a movie over that sort of connection?

I realise that it would have to be a monster of a movie to need that sort of infrastructure but I couldn’t think of a better example lol

[peak cloak]

Yes? But streaming doesn't use much data anyway so it wouldn't saturate a gig link

[shadow nacelle]

Yeah that’s what I figured but was just curious

Cheers mate

[wary isle]

gnahhhh

displayport doesnt work on dell bios if secure boot is enabled

[neon wave]

my internet is right next to me but i have guests alll the time and they are on tiktok every second and i play games with the worst latency

[wary isle]

wow without tweaking its already 3x less noisy and just under 40W

how can I format disks in truenas?

ah found it

how to enable spindown?

[fallow wing]

wait

what ?????

[fallow wing]

when you create a pool they're formatted anyway

[fallow wing]

pretty sure it's automatic ? uhhhhh

hmm, I don't quite remember that part actually

I only did it once and it worked without any other input so...

[fallow wing]

tiktok shouldn't be the thing responsible of bad latency though
if you have bad ping, you have bad ping, if you can change servers on your game launcher, that's what you should check first

[wary isle]

ok then its automatic I guess

Cant get a working path for smb though

[fallow wing]

I know there is drive options that you can manually manage, such as spindown but I never had to do it myself so...

[wary isle]

damn servers are still a mystery for me 😄

[fallow wing]

you have to create a new dataset, it's literally just a folder in the filesystem

[neon wave]

its automatic 5ms ping

[wary isle]

yeah trying to right now

[neon wave]

like some people are watching youtube and some people are on facebook and all that shit

[fallow wing]

that shouldn't take all the bandwidth or increasing latency all that much
unless you got a shit router or a shit internet plan

[fallow wing]

once you got a new dataset, then you tell SMB that dataset is the thing you wanna run as an SMB share and you should find it on the network as a network folder on you windows machines

[neon wave]

3 people are playing roblox. 5 people are watching YouTube. I'm playing fortnite.

It's 150mbps Internet.... 😅

[fallow wing]

holy shit
yeah that's bad
8/9 users on a limited bandwidth...

sheesh

[neon wave]

Lol

[fallow wing]

I mean, if you had a better router, the bandwidth wouldn't be that much of an issue, that would probably reduce the latencies involved by a fair bit

[peak cloak]

not if bandwidth is saturated

[fallow wing]

but 150mbps should be plenty for games and video streams though ? even if you give each user 10-15mbps, that should still leave overhead, no ?

[steel grove]

I'm trying to understand how exactly a switch works, and after reading some threads and doing some googling, I stumbled upon this comment on Reddit that I think is particularly easy to understand. It is almost 10 years old, so I just want to make sure that the information is still correct and hasn't been replaced by any newer or better technologies. Can anyone confirm this is correct? https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/1yp1y6/how_does_a_switch_know_about_hosts_connected_to_it/cfndym4/

[peak cloak]

sounds correct, at least for ipv4, v6 doesn't use ARP

fundamentals of networking haven't changed

[steel grove]

Thank you

[wary isle]

Server runs 35-38W in idle

Wondering what a Pi4 would draw

I guess I ll try it out as well

With 2 attached 14TB drives probably a bit more

[wary isle]

They are powered by an additional cable

[devout cedar]

hello guys , im trying to create a network bridge between my wireless router , old laptop , and xbox . whenever i go to create the bridge between the ethernet adapter and wifi , the bridge is made and says it's connected but i dont receive a connection on the xbox . im running windows 11 and was curious if anyone had any ideas on how to fix this problem , thanks guys .

[viscid flax]

@fallow wing are they any security measures i can take when setting up a minecraft server or like server in general, my dad kinda worries about this and as long as i can't convince him he won't let me go through with it as it's his network and his old desktop xD

[peak cloak]

isolate from network, run in isolated VM

don't install not trusted plugin/mods

[viscid flax]

but i'd like my cousins to join who live on another network

[peak cloak]

that's fine, isolate from YOUR network

[viscid flax]

oh but don't i need an extra network then

[peak cloak]

if it's only for cousins to join use tailscale or similar

that way it's restricted to only them and they need to install the VPN client, and only then can they join

[viscid flax]

so with tailscale i can restrict who has access

[peak cloak]

it's a vpn, so no port forwarding is done. You install on server, they install on pc, join the same tailnet and then it basically acts like a LAN

[viscid flax]

oh and is it free or?

[peak cloak]

yeah there's a free plan

[viscid flax]

so we all can start a free plan or would only 3 people be able to join the server then

[peak cloak]

iirc you can share machines, but not sure

I use it for remote access to my home and servers

[viscid flax]

and to come back to this

if i were to isolate from my own network

do i do that by having a second router and so a second default gateway or?

[peak cloak]

you just need a router that supports multiple subnets and firewall

[viscid flax]

oh aight that sounds promising

is that hard to set up?

[peak cloak]

it's not very simple, depending on the router manufacturer

[viscid flax]

oh man

[peak cloak]

not hard either, but requires some knowledge

[viscid flax]

hmmm hopefully i have network basics next year

[fallow wing]

He can rent a VPS and use Velocity, it'll monitor all incoming connection, they have to be from a Minecraft client anyway and you can even filter verified from cracked clients

It's no VPN but it works too

[viscid flax]

isn't there a way to let them connect only with the ssh verifaction

then i'd need everybody that wants to connect the public key right?

yeah haven't really had a lot of networking or cybersecurity classes so idk if i'm overlooking anything but the cheaper i can do this the better as otherwise we can just keep renting a realm on the official minecraft site

and the hostname the ip adress is from the device they are trying to connect from? or the server itself also what is FQDN

[fallow wing]

Either you rent an official one, or you can also rent a virtual server at a hosting service or you can rent a VPS or there's also VPN solutions but I'm a bit confused by how these work and had a terrible time for every attempt to set these up for myself multiple times on multiple systems

[peak cloak]

that's no different that just using standard iirc

[fallow wing]

What is standard ?

[peak cloak]

the issue is not the clients itself, it's rouge plugins, zero-days, etc.

[peak cloak]

regular minecraft server, papermc

[viscid flax]

aight thanks i'm with you

[fallow wing]

Yeah and ? What's the issue with that ?

[peak cloak]

you can get a server for cheaper than realms for better specs

[peak cloak]

there is no need for velocity

[fallow wing]

Yeah I know, I just mentioned that as an option, that's all

I mean, it's works, that's all that counts

[peak cloak]

I don't see what benifit it provides

the point of a VPN is to only allow trusted users

[fallow wing]

Velocity does that too tho

[peak cloak]

no

[fallow wing]

You can whitelist users

[viscid flax]

so if we wanna connect we should go through a terminal because how can we select this server in our minecraft client then?

[peak cloak]

that's on the minecraft level, I'm talking about on the network level, can you can whitelist on regular mc too

[fallow wing]

Ah that's what you meant, my bad

[peak cloak]

@viscid flax as for hosts, https://enviromc.host/ I heard is pretty good

[viscid flax]

i'll check this out

[peak cloak]

and if you need more advice regarding mc r/admincraft discord is pretty good help wise

[viscid flax]

so once you press connect it automatically will check for the ssh keys on the client side

[viscid flax]

well i mostly wanted to do something with the old desktop and someone proposed the idea of a minecraft server

[peak cloak]

yeah that's fair

[viscid flax]

and the user in my config file is the name from the key then? or how does that work

[viscid flax]

and my dad already has a nas as file server so that's not really something i needed also wouldn't have had money for drives tho xD

[peak cloak]

yeah lol

@viscid flax for tailscale https://tailscale.com/kb/1084/sharing/

those 3 users are per tailnet, so if everyone has their own account on their own tailnet you can just share the mc machine

[viscid flax]

oh so it's not like i need to generate multiple ssh keys and give them all a public key but i need to make multiple users on my OS and each user will have their own ssh config file with the info on it which they refer to a keypair on their personal machine

[viscid flax]

oh then i should look into that as it sounds simpeler

altough it would be cool if i got it working the other way around i would feel so accomplished xD

haha yeah will do that i only ever used ssh to connect to a webserver for if i need to host a website for school

so it's still quite complicated lmao

Aight perfect

[stiff steeple]

going to go live on a tplink omada network soon. just getting things together and setting up a plan. question: does an unconfigured managed switch "act" as an unmanaged switch until its configured?

[fallow wing]

yeah, it'll work
I mean, my MokerLink worked right away when I tried to get on it before getting to the management webui so you should be good

I doubt tplink would have a product not working right away, even a switch

[peak cloak]

Yes

[fervent brook]

on a scale from 1-10...how bad of a router is the ASUS RT-AX56U?

is 10 dollars too much?

fireware's updating...dont wanna josle it...

"-Fixed DoS vulnerabilities in firewall configuration pages. Thanks to Jinghe Gao's contribution.
-Fixed DoS vulerabilities in httpd. Thanks to Howard McGreehan.
-Fixed information disclosure vulnerability. Thanks to Junxu (Hillstone Network Security Research Institute) contribution.
-Fixed CVE-2023-28702 and CVE-2023-28703. Thanks to Xingyu Xu(@tmotfl) contribution.
-Fixed null pointer dereference vulnerabilities. Thanks to Chengfeng Ye, Prism Research Group - cse hkust contribution.
-Fixed the cfg server vulnerability. Thanks to Swing and Wang Duo from Chaitin Security Research Lab.
-Fixed the vulnerability in the logmessage function CVE-2023-35086/ CVE-2023-35087. Thanks to Swing and Wang Duo from Chaitin Security Research Lab C0ss4ck from Bytedance Wuheng Lab, Feixincheng from X1cT34m."

im not really one to seek it out...but this is the first time ive seen credits for security updates...

[gloomy mortar]

has anyone used nmcli to connect to a l2tp vpn

[agile jay]

hey guys im 19 year old from the uk im nearly done with college. im looking to do network engineering as my career path. What kind of software or hardware that i got to learn?

[fallow wing]

Well, in general all kinds of PC/server hardware, little bit of everything, if you know the basics, you can build pretty much any machine
And software, depends, there's a bunch of open source/free use softwares for you to work with, pfSense/OPNsense for router/firewall, proxmox/another one I forgot for virtual environments, TrueNAS and a few others for NAS/storage servers, debian/linux, windows server 2016/19/22, etc...

Bunch of tools, software, equipment, appliances...

[grand portal]

so after playing around TrueNAS last night, I feel I want to improve hardware already, currently running AMD FX8350 CPU, 16GB DDR3 RAM

I have found an old HP server / workstation for sale on eBay, with 2x Intel Xeon E5-2620 @ 2.0 Ghz CPUs, 32GB (4 x 8GB sticks) 1600Mhz RAM, dual 1GB NICs, all in case, with PSU etc. working just needs drives selling for £99

is that worth changing to?

[opal pagoda]

are you just using it as a nas or are you using same box for other home server duties

[grand portal]

other duties as well, predominately for now, NAS and a media server, with maybe 1 or 2 VMs

[grand portal]

rethinking, I'll stick as I am, I'm currently idling at 65-70w so can't complain about that

[grand portal]

yeah I plan on putting another 16GB in (max this board will take)

[pseudo blade]

Yeah they're power hungry. It's also quite surprising how quickly desktop CPUs caught up to multiprocessor servers, you might be surprised what a used office PC from Core i 9th gen or so will do.

You might find one being discarded for about the same money as the workstation and get similar or better performance for less power.

I have a pair of... 2620 v3's I think and my Ryzen laptop can beat them for performance. Not RAM though, hard to beat 768GB/1.5TB

[grand portal]

I was debating an Intel core i5 10400 with 16GB DDR4

[pseudo blade]

Not a bad pick if you can get it cheap used

[grand portal]

£150 motherboard, CPU and RAM

[pseudo blade]

I used one for a work hypervisor with 64GB RAM at my last job

It just idled cold with about 10 VMs and an engineering copy of the platform I was expected to support.

[grand portal]

I think I might opt for that then.... also seeing it has a TDP of just 65w and doubles the benchmark of my FX8350

[pseudo blade]

Merely double?

Nah that can't be right, 8350 was Piledriver

[grand portal]

AMD FX-8350 8 core: 6035 PassMark
Intel Core i5-10400 @2.9GHz: 12212 PassMark

I know one of the benchmark suites is notoriously Intel optimised, but I can't remember which one

[grand portal]

don't forget 3yr old CPU compared to 10year old CPU lol

[pseudo blade]

No as in Piledriver's not half as good

[grand portal]

ohhhh

[pseudo blade]

I'm already pretty thrilled with Zen 3+

Piledriver's OK to be clear. You don't need much brawn to run home workloads usually.

[grand portal]

I think my latest is running Zen 4? and it sips power, even whilst gaming, so I can't complain there

[grand portal]

oh I know, it was my development / gaming machine for 10 years straight, never had an issue with it until RAM packed up, at which point I decided it was time for a new machine

[pseudo blade]

...But it was more of a 4-core than a true 8-core and modern Intel and Zen are much faster at lower power.

[grand portal]

to be honest, I'm mostly looking to upgrade for 2 key reasons, energy efficiency and upgradability.... I'm kinda at my upgrade limit with the FX8350, so the £150 i510400 would sounds the best way to go

[pseudo blade]

I'd go that route. DDR4's really cheap and it's new enough to have decent IO.

[grand portal]

yeah I'll eventually get 32GB RAM kit to add to the 16GB already installed (matching speeds)

that would supply more than enough RAM initially. and then I can upgrade to a 10th gen i7 or even i9 CPU without too much trouble either (motherboard doesn't support 11th gen)

[agile jay]

thanks

[fallow wing]

If I can finance that, I'll go big one day and buy the best of the best, biggest server CPU on the market, maximum amount of ram, fastest NICs and fastest drives, I'll load that bad boy with so many VMs, containers and services just to say "I did it"

Literally the plot of pokemon but with network administration

[pseudo blade]

...Or just work for a company that actually needs any of that in a capacity where you can set it up, use it for practical workloads, enjoy your novelty of a powerful system for the day and when that wears off it's not your system to pay for and never was.

[peak cloak]

^ the specialness of it wears off quickly

Could be a handling something costing half a mil and it's nothing

[fallow quest]

Hi there, i currently have cable internet from spectrum, im trying to get something that would cover 5000sq ft for range. Preferably under a couple hundred

Looking for a router*

[simple halo]

Could someone help me a bit? So I switched Internet provider and got the 1000mb/s down and 350mb/s up internet package but the router modem that they gave me is horrific so I bought an Asus rt ax55 router because supposedly it should give me a very good 5ghz wireless connection. I got told that I should connect them this way ( Router modem ) LAN to ( Asus router ) WAN port. On ethernet I got 900mb/s down on my laptop but the router that I purchased only gives me like 300mb/s down on wireless. Someone also told me to try and connect them LAN to LAN but that way I didn't get any internet connection from my router. And I also got told to turn my router modem to bridge mode but I just have no idea how to do that.

I tried looking for it but I couldn't find it. I got told that I can do it in the WAN settings but I can't do anything there. And also would that really make my internet speed faster?

Sure one sec

I will give it a try. Thanks 🙂

I am hungarian

No problem

It's just a bit more complicated than I was told

I just don't understand that why I have to remove my fiber optic cable

Isn't that what connects me to my internet provider?

[fallow wing]

What the hell ??
A tutorial telling you to remove the uplink and never tells you to put it back in ???

What kinda ass backwards documentation is this ???

Oh

Then I'm much less surprised lol

[simple halo]

I think I have to plug it back right after resetting my router

Maybe a Google Translate extension will help

[fallow wing]

No, put the link in the box for Google Translation
The Google Translation page not the Google result is you know what I mean

That'll load up the page entirely translated

Huh weird

I just translated a Greek page just fine earlier while looking up some documentation

If you use "detect language" it works
https://m-pantip-com.translate.goog/topic/35060773?_x_tr_sl=th&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US

[simple halo]

This one doesn't work. He can use the WAN tab somehow

[fallow wing]

No no with Thai specified it didn't work
With detect language it worked then

[simple halo]

The problem is that Admin login is not working for me

it should be user: telecomadmin pass: admintelecom

I think it would be a bit better idea to just call my internet provider to send someone out to change my modem router to bridge mode

I don't want to break my optic cable accidently

And the cable is connected in a very different way in my country

But thanks for all the help

Actually one last question. Would it work if I would just give a fix IP to my Router and turn off DHCP on my modem router?

Then I will give it a try tomorrow. Thanks again have a good rest of your day/night

[vocal bluff]

Ok nice people. Ive got myself a 1L pc to use as a DIY Nas. Im lost though on the most critical part, the Storage, most of the things Im seeing are NAS themselves, what kind of HDD bays would you all suggest?

[south blade]

Hey, I'm waiting on a 5G modem/router and am wondering how I could use the WiFi on it along with my OPNsense box and APs, is that possible?

[fallen ice]

Hello, I have two lab Cisco ASA Firewalls (5512 & 5515). I am hoping to get hold of firmware version 9.x but I dont have Smartpack for my home lab! Does anyone have a copy of the firmware and know a community git where I could get it? Thank you!!

[fallow wing]

I realised I never tried to speedtest my VM server so I tried it
the machine has 2.5G interfaces, when I try speedtesting the link between my laptop and my NAS, it HAS to go through the VM host, since my firewall is between the two
I get 2.5G speed between my laptop and my NAS, my laptop can get 2.5G from the internet (again, it passes through the VM host since the firewall is in it)
and for some very very strange reason, even though there should be absolutely no reason why, it's capping at 660mbps on fast.com and 580 on cloudflare
on those two speedtests, my laptop is usually within 85% of its max effective speed so I got no idea why I'd be stuck at that

[opal pagoda]

easiest way to add mass storage to that system would be external hdds and you can often get them cheaper than standalone drives

datahoarders often "shuck" external hdds and pretty often there is enterprise hdd inside

[neon wave]

"universal" meaning it will work on non TP-Link broadbands?

ty

[peak cloak]

FYI that's an N extender, which is pretty outdated

and extenders in general often can cause issues

[neon wave]

It's okay my WiFi is N

[pseudo blade]

It'd most likely be single-radio and therefore slow. If you flat out can't connect now and it's nearly possible to it'll ensure you can... but it won't give you speed nor consistency.

I've implemented it tons of times and the results are consistently poor... but I was usually OK with only getting a few megabits per second as were the users.

[mild quarry]

Might be better off with the power line networking

Unless you're in an apartment or old house

[neon wave]

Second one

[mild quarry]

How old? I'm talking 115 years old

Anything built in the 1950 or after should be fine

[grand portal]

is it possible to delete a Dataset in TrueNAS?

or just convert to a mirrored dataset instead of stripe

[void cedar]

can I use a router as "wifi reciever" for PC?

[ornate jungle]

If the router supports "client" or WiFi bridge mode, should be able to. Most ASUS routers can be switched into WiFi Bridge mode. No idea about other models; you'll have to check the documentation.

[quaint dawn]

any recommendations on help with home networking troubleshooting? Have a very specific problem but dont want to flood this with details. I am real novice here.

Oh yeah I can barely interpret mine 😛

any computers (hard wired or wireless) on my network take several minutes to connect when turned on. Doesn't seem to be a prob with IoT or phones when they join, just computers. Will either just be connected, but actual internet wont work for several minutes or it will connect with the "no internet" designation

if i leave for a few minutes it often resolves itself., but sometimes needs a restart

[fleet gate]

which one of these is best? https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07G36YQ11/ref=ewc_pr_img_2?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&th=1 https://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus-pce-axe59bt-wifi-6e-pcie-card-tril-band-24plus5plus6ghz-574plus2402plus2402mbps-external-antenn https://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigabyte-gc-wbax210-11ax-wireless-nic-pcie-2400mbps-tri-band-external-magnetic-antenna-base-intel-wi

need it to replace my shocking tplink t4e

cant hold a signal, random disconnects, low speeds and sometimes refuses to connect to the internet

[grand portal]

I need some advise please.... I'm having trouble setting up Jellyfin in TrueNAS scale, I've followed guides for using CharterApps and creating an NFS share for each folder of media, but it keeps failing on deployment saying it doesn't have access to the NFS share "mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting localhost:/mnt/MyDataSet/Media"

[grand portal]

Personally, I'd go with either of the bottom 2, the ASUS looks like the slightly better option given your issues with disconnects (I'm assuming is down to low signal)

[kind pivot]

hey
When setting two servers with static ip do they still need access (as in firewall access) to the dhcp server ?

[grand portal]

I don't think so, but not 100% sure

[kind pivot]

hmm

[scarlet geyser]

So I got a big question. I’m wondering is it possible to have the Ethernet that is connected to the pc and get Ethernet speed on the console on my second monitor?

[grand portal]

what do you mean?

[scarlet geyser]

this helps?

[grand portal]

oh... ethernet through monitors? no I don't think it is possible

[scarlet geyser]

ok

[grand portal]

just get a small 4 port switch, plug the ethernet from router into port 1 (I think any port will work, but it's typically port 1, but check docs) and then plug the PC into the switch and the console into the switch

The switch won't be expensive at all, and if you don't already have 2 patch cables, they won't cost more than a couple bucks each

[peak cloak]

No

[fleet gate]

I'm right next to the router haha

[grand portal]

I'd argue your better off running a network cable then if you can

[peak cloak]

^

[peak cloak]

No point dealing with wifi, just get a solid Ethernet connection

[grand portal]

I could do with some help in TrueNAS and JellyFin if people can help? I asked in Tech Support and here earlier , but had no replies

[grand portal]

Yeah I'm using that, I'm having an issue with the NFS sharing permissions

Output: mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting localhost:/mnt/SMBDataSet/Media

[bitter merlin]

Not too sure, but I'd like to think it would. Only because DHCP would have to know that those 2 IP's are static and taken so it doesn't hand them out to other devices

Potentially could be a funny moment

[kind pivot]

Yeah that's what I thought too

[peak cloak]

No it doesn't

DHCP doesn't know anything about static IPs, it's the responsibility of the network admin to make sure they don't conflict

DHCP static lease is a different story

[grand portal]

OK thanks, I'll do that

[fleet gate]

Not running a cable across the room haha

[past forum]

Anyone good at setting up p2p connections? Just going from my house to my barn but I can't get it to work for nothing

[peak cloak]

I mean, that's what I did

[hollow axle]

You GOTTA give more context!

Hardware used? Media type? Optics used? What kind of performance are you expecting?

Are you using this to connect to your irrigation controller?

[wild wren]

Is it possible to make "arp -a" not display anything? While still maintaining a active internet connection? The only thing i've been able to find is hardware spoofers that are made for people cheating in video games.

[alpine leaf]

Hey guys, i have a little bit of a predicament
At home I have a 5g router in our main living room that gets supplies internet to the rest of the house, that router is connected to the wall which feeds downstairs to a switch which feeds to ethernet ports throughout the house. Each room has its own access point (which is a problem in itself, ive been meaning to pick up a mesh network system). Every now and then the wifi completely drops out, and i have to restart the main router to get it going again. The webpage for the router shows it has full connection but has really low speeds, and once i restart it it goes back to normal functionality again. this has started to be a bigger issue recently with no changes to prompt it, my working theory is there are just too many devices on the network causing interference but its such a pain in the ass at this point that im trying anything to fix it. Other than fixing my access point situation and picking up a mesh network, does anyone have a clue on why this would be happening or what i can do to diagnose the issue a little further?

[rocky wadi]

Is there any easy way to detect electrical noise? My powerlines are not working correcly and I think this could be the issue

[carmine sedge]

What is your objective in this? The ARP/NDP table is for your machine to record the MAC addresses of other machines so it knows where to send the Ethernet frames

[wild wren]

Just wanted to see if there was a way to hide the table without some soft of programming software.

EasyAntiCheat apparently will use your ARP table to find out if you've cheated in a video game before. Assuming you've got a whole brand new PC after a HWID ban they will use your routers MAC along with other informations about your local network to find you lol!

[toxic tartan]

The only info in an ARP table is IP/MAC and as private IP is duplicated across every network. If they are using the MAC to track you. You could just spoof your MAC, but that said why are you needing to do this? lol did you get banned for cheating ? As MAC's are unique ID's when not spoofed, until they run out of OUI's anyways.

[wild wren]

No I did not, I was just looking into anticheats and found out how they trace you from computer to computer to be interesting.

And yes, you could spoof the MAC of every single device on your network. But if you have a router from your ISP you might not be able to spoof the MAC of it.

Was watching a video on Rust admins catching people cheating actually, quite funny. Was wondering how they were finding out that the person had played on their server before under a different account.

[brisk summit]

Do any of you know if these are compatible with each other? I'm new to enterprise networking and I am not sure if the transceivers and fiber would allow the card to work at its full 40gig bandwidth.

https://www.amazon.com/Meter-Multimode-Duplex-Fiber-Optic/dp/B078JJYXY1
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00T5W00EA
https://www.ebay.com/itm/143445703536

[jade patrol]

Transceivers are rated at 10gbe

[cinder sapphire]

Ever heard of this modem? Tryna replace my spectrum pos but don't really know if this is even reputable

[jade patrol]

Arris is reputable consumer brand

I have the same one

Power line works across circuits

[brisk summit]

Do you know what transceivers I would need for the full 40gig?

[cinder sapphire]

Steady and no abnormal choking?

Whenever I start a download it chokes everything off

And it's only 15mb

[jade patrol]

I think that's more often on the isp. Mine is fine

15mb file?

[brisk summit]

I think they meant 15mbps

[jade patrol]

40GBASE-SR4

[brisk summit]

From looking that up, it seems that the fiber I chose has a different termination than the 40GBASE-SR transceivers accept. I would need different fiber then too, right?

[brisk summit]

Would this be a better route? https://www.amazon.com/10Gtek-Compatible-QSFP-H40G-AOC20M-40GBASE-20-Meter/dp/B01N0TZPZX/?th=1

[jade patrol]

Pricey and can't be easily replaced if there's a dead transciever. Just get om4 with mtp ends

Or use singlemode

They sell kits on eBay. Just copy the parts in those

[brisk summit]

Could you link me to somewhere that has reasonable OM4 with MTP ends? Everywhere I am seeing, it's more expensive than what I linked, just for the fiber, not to mention the additional cost of the transceivers

[jade patrol]

They're like 20 on eBay

[brisk summit]

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction regarding the connector type and transceivers

[rocky iris]

hey guys, does anyone know why this is happening to my pc when connected to ethernet? https://librespeed.org/results/?id=0grqyoi

ive updated all my drivers for my mobo and everything, my pc is up to date, and im not streaming anything. when im not connected to ethernet my results are: https://librespeed.org/results/?id=0fc1s7m

and it's not my ethernet cable - i have two of them which produce the same results (extremely low upload speeds but high download speeds)

[jade patrol]

Try another speed test from another source?

[blazing karma]

Anyone here has a eap670 on hand? How’s the performance ?

Got one for myself recently and the performance is worst than a EAP650 china version on so many ways, was wondering if it’s a firmware issue or just a hardware issue

[analog ice]

Not exactly networking, but can anyone recommend a USB expansion card? My mobo lacks USB ports compared to my old board lmao

[rocky iris]

It’s the same

[sturdy lark]

Anyone have some good 1u chassis recomendations for a pfsense router?

[minor shadow]

my isp provided router has 1x 10GE LAN port. i want to share this connection with two different pcs. other than another router, what's the better option for my needs? hub or switch?

[clear igloo]

no such thing as a 10g hub, switch all the way

[minor shadow]

recommendations for devices? don't need overly fancy, just two devices need connecting to the router, i just don't want to limit them to only 1 gigabit(on the off chance our isp offers faster than gigabit and we take them up on it)

[flint rune]

Wow haven’t heard hub in some years. 😅

[clear igloo]

You'll need at least 4 or 5 port switch then, how much are you looking to spend?

Mikrotik has a 4 port 10g SFP switch

[minor shadow]

i'm a cheapskate, lol. i'm willing to consider 50-100 usd, can go above for the right product but would prefer not to

[flint rune]

I think those smb and consumer brands have some cheap 4-8 port options (under $200). Like tp-link, netgear, trendnet if you’re looking for bare bones no features.

[clear igloo]

Lowest you'll find is for about $140

[minor shadow]

link please? preferably from amazoff

[flint rune]

You can get under $100 if you’re ok with 2.5G…

[clear igloo]

Looks like its out of stock there =/
The model is CRS305-1G-4S+IN

[minor shadow]

i see. there really isn't much point sticking with 10g, is there? afaik, general consumer motherboards don't yet come with higher than 2.5g, right?

[clear igloo]

Yah, you can get a 10g uplink switch with a few 2.5g or 2.5/5g ports

[minor shadow]

good budget recommendation for those?

[clear igloo]

https://www.servethehome.com/the-ultimate-cheap-2-5gbe-switch-mega-round-up-qnap-netgear-hasivo-mokerlink-trendnet-zyxel-tp-link/

[flint rune]

Also 10G SFP+ is going to draw less power and make less heat, imo if you go 10G just get a switch with some SFP+ ports. 10G copper is meh. That’s why most 10G copper switches are fan cooled today.

[clear igloo]

https://www.amazon.com/QNAP-QSW-2104-2T-6-Port-unmanaged-Network/dp/B0BFCBSSD1
If you want a couple 10g uplinks and 4x 2.5GbE

Although this one is cheaper at under $100 with a coupon 😄
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BS3DCKDK

[minor shadow]

i see the latter has a version with 5x2.5 + 10G sfp...

i really don't need a lot of ports, it's just my pc and my roommate's laptop that i want to connect to the fastest port on the router

[clear igloo]

Nice, then either would be fine 🙂

[minor shadow]

out of 3 lan(1x 10ge, 2x just gigabit) ports, i'm already occupying 2 and only have one free port. i've tested the speed, it does handle gigabit, but i wouldn't feel right giving my roommate access to less than the best the router can handle

and besides, i kinda want to reserve that port for who dafuq knows

as in if i suddenly need one

pulled the trigger on the 5 port version

thanks for the discussion

[slate kiln]

Hi all,
Lookng for some networking advice on my unraid server. Currently I have 1gb internet, looking at upgrading to 3gb fibre. My unraid server only has 1gb ethernet.
I know the best option would be to add a 5gb or 10gb NIC but (due to reusing old parts) my server has an ITX mobo and I am using the PCIe for a GPU for transcoding etc.
My thought was to use the USB 3.1 Gen 2 port and add a USB 3 2.5gb NIC? then bind it in unraid to the 1gb. Would I need a managed switch for load balancing?
I should say the main purpose of the server is for PLEX and watching my content on the go when traveling etc. unlikely to be more than 4 concurrent streams so bandwidth is not exactly taxed right now. Though I do have HDR 4k content.

[flint rune]

I used to use one of those before upgrade to mATX with room for 10G card. I didn’t have any issues with it.

You probably already did, but just in case you didn’t. Double check the upload is 3Gbps not just the download. 🙂

[opal pagoda]

i have seen 10gbe nic that fits into m.2 slot
if you have spare slot that could be a option

[flint rune]

If your case has room for the NIC but not the mobo going off that same thought on M.2, if you have one open with PCIe lanes you could buy one of those M.2 to PCIe risers. I used one on a GPU and it actually worked pretty good at 8x speeds at least.

[opal pagoda]

those are usually marketed towards laptops, sorta like poor mans thunderbolt and they have 4 pcie lanes

[slate kiln]

@flint rune @opal pagoda Thanks for your comments, yes it would be symmetrical 3.5gb (up and down) with a 10gb port on the router which I would likely put to a network switch to my home mesh and server. There are 2 NVME socket, currently these are used for SSD cache, but i am likely to be swapping to sata expanders to increase disk capacity.
I have never experimented with bound network, could I connect the the onboard 1gb nic and the 2.5gb nic? would that force me into a managed network switch?
Would i be likely to get close to 3-3.5gb with the connections bound or would the performance not improve over the single 2.5gb?

[opal pagoda]

yes you would have to get a managed switch
but honestly you are probably better served with single 2.5g connection to the switch, having 2 links in most cases only improves speeds if multiple users are accessing that server

also sata expanders/multipliers are something i wouldnt reccomend

[steep stirrup]

Dunno if this is the place to ask but I'm looking to set up a local private game streaming server, I'm new to this but my idea is to get a 5ghz GHz wifi capable router and plug it into the network card in my PC, and the just run moonlight over LAN, is it more involved than this and I can use Internet through the LAN?

[flint rune]

If you want to try and push it you can use balance-rr which is static LAG and will strip the packets across ports, it can have some downsides but I run this on my 2x 10Gbe ports on my NAS and easily push past 12Gbe maxing out my other devices NICs before the NAS.

The big downside here is you have a 1Gbe mixed with a 2.5Gbe, significantly increasing chances of having decreased perf not increased with most/all other modes.

Imo only options that’s worth it is in backup/failover like active-backup mode letting the 1Gbe run if something fails on the 2.5Gbe adapter or balance-rr to try and squeeze out something.

Trying todo a LAG like rr mode loops you into needing a new switch possibly if you don’t already have a managed switch. Once you add up the costs tbh it might not be worth it, maybe just buy a single 2.5Gbe adapter for cheap and save/plan for a larger upgrade that gives you a path to 10Gbe in the future. The cards are cheap on eBay, so sounds like it’s just a mobo issue.

[minor shadow]

Since y'all have been so helpful previously...

I have an old 2 foot ethernet cable that I've no memory about how I originally got it. I'm trying to figure out what category it is. Here's the full markings on it, if anyone can help shed some light please:

E138922 ЯU AWM 2835 24AWG 60°C 30V CSA LL81295 FT2 EVERNEW 8I17IC002

[opal pagoda]

cat5e 99%

[frosty stone]

if in doubt, cat5e lol

might actually even be just cat5 if these search results mean anything

[mossy mesa]

Internet!

[fallow wing]

does this guy have a fanless PC router round up as well ?
the kind on which you install pfsense/opnsense with 2.5G ports, maybe 10G SFP as well ?

[wide yoke]

the nic on my gigabyte b650 aero g says its 2.5gbe but windows only shows a link speed of 1000. how would I fix?

also getting consistant ping spikes but only in 1 game, which their support isnt helping

theres 2 patterns it spikes in and i have multiple screenshots for each

[flint rune]

Check the router / switch it’s plugged into supports 2.5Gb

[wide yoke]

it doesn't, not like it matters anyways with my internet speeds, i was just curious

[peak cloak]

link speed is the connection between the 2 NICs

so it's only as high as the lowest NIC since they negotiate a speed

[clear igloo]

Yah, the TinyMiniMicro series I believe

[vocal bluff]

That series is what made me decide to use a Tiny PC for my NAS lol

[minor shadow]

Thanks.

[frosty stone]

np

[minor shadow]

I did try googling before asking, lol

Being less than satisfied, I thought I'd ask here

[nova tendon]

roll a 20 on your perception check and should let you know .

[blazing kite]

is it good to run 2 udp routes on exitlag for fortnite or do i put more?

[stiff steeple]

trying to run nextcloud, and make it visible from the outside using SSL (lets-encrypt). I can't use ports 80,443 (ISP blocked).

I have:

• a domain name (one of .xyz's 1.111B domains). I have a sub-domain pointed at my public IP address manually in cloudflare. (intentional: main domain should have no record, sub-domain is all that should work.)
• an ubuntu 22.04 VM running in proxmox, separately attached to the router in its own subnet. (the VM gets its own NIC). I'm intending on blocking all communications between subnet and rest of network.
• nextcloud, installed through snap.
• nginx-proxy-manager (installed through docker within the VM), to handle the ssl certificates. (is this taking care of the dynamic dns as well? it says "lets-ecrypt + cloudflare", not sure what's going on.)
• ddclient to handle updating dynamic DNS (pretty sure i've borked the configuration on this).
• ports xx080 and xx443 on firewall forwarded to nginx-proxy-manager, then nginx-proxy-manager is supposed to proxy-host https traffic to nextcloud instance. (why not http? don't understand why it limits me to one protocol, but doesn't allow additional proxy-hosts to same location).

connecting to subdomain.domain.xyz:xx443 just times out. No connection made. server is not visible from outside.

A: How do i fix? B: How do i configure my shit to reduce vulnerabilities?

[quasi tide]

My internet went out today and I think they upgraded the speed (spectrum)

[minor pagoda]

We currently have our home network connected through powerline, but we think of wiring fiber optic (we plan 25gbps) through the entire house (we have conduits already) to future proof it. Is that worth it? Or is Cat8/Cat6a better for future proofing? There is a NAS and we plan to make a Rack with a server and stuff. Thanks for any help in advance

[drowsy fossil]

question 1, is this for professional work that is improved by a faster network?
question 2, budget
question 3, how convenient do you want things to be in the future?
powerline to regular cat 5e even is a large improvement
cat8 will definetly be plenty for a while
fiber (as long as you go singlemode) will be futureproof for even longer and is already available with pretty incredible speeds if you can pay
if you have enough 💰 to go fiber now, and want to set and forget forever? sure
but if you dont, run cat 8 and some extra string that you can use to pull some fiber in the future if you want.
expensive part of fiber is the adapters and switches, not the fiber itself

[minor pagoda]

1. Not really, just for my family with a NAS and we’ll add a home server (I’m currently studying but I’ll probably work as developer later) for self hosting some small projects and use for port forwarding and maybe we’ll move our computers to the basement and either use the fibers or wire them seperatly to our workspaces
2. When you buy cheap, you buy twice, if its reasonable we try to future proof instead of buying something cheap and a few years later something newer
3. Just future proof, the powerline wiring is pretty slow (around 50mbps) and when we have to wire something, why not something fast

What do you think would be some estimated costs for fiber optic with a network switch( where we have conduits to everywhere in the house) wiring 10 conduits with fiber optic?

[drowsy fossil]

For 25 gig it's a grand minimum + $100ish per wiring run, $80-90 for the adapters, $10-20 for the fiber itself
For 10 gig it's around half that

If you go copper, you can go 2.5 gig for under $200 for the switch, cables are just a bit more expensive, but no adapters needed
Probably looking at 2.5k vs $500
And both are heavy overkill
A gigabit network can handle hundreds of business users...

If you must go 10 gig, definetly don't run it to each room, pick the room that needs it, get a switch that has 2 ports of 10 gig, 1 for the Nas, the other to link to the room that actually needs it (for example)
And that will run great over cat 8

[minor pagoda]

What would you recommend for a house with NAS and some server stuff in mind? Isn’t 25gbps worth it? I mean you do it once and then it will last for 20+ years

[drowsy fossil]

Well judging by the speed of improvements, you can get a top end consumer system now for $500, a top end system again in 5 years for $500 that will be the speed of the $2500 system now
But you could choose to not get the second system in 5 years and wait 10 years and get a hundred gig system (probably)

[minor pagoda]

Yeah but fiber optic will probably stay, only the adapter, network switches etc will change?

[drowsy fossil]

Like the other thing to consider is if you go 25 gig you will be getting the absolute worst offerings, the 25 gig generation for enterprise is usually more around the 4-8 grand range for the core switches...

[drowsy fossil]

The copper is also quite likely to stay too
We have managed to fit 5 gig into the cabling that we used for 100m 10 years back 🤷

Cat8 is designed for 40 gig over short distances
That's a ton of data...

[minor pagoda]

We have Satellite TV wiring (coax) to most of the rooms, do you think MoCa is an option as well?

Or is that to slow for consumer?

[drowsy fossil]

Moca is plenty fast, just like fiber needs adapters

[minor pagoda]

And those are expensive?

[drowsy fossil]

120 per link for 2.5 gig

[minor pagoda]

So it’s cheaper to wire Cat8?

[drowsy fossil]

Depends on how easy it is to run wire

If you have the option to run wire at all, it's better to run cat8 than moca

But if you have no ability to run wire, moca it up

Heck I'd take cat5e over moca

[minor pagoda]

We have already coax, its hooked up to a satellite dish for TV, cat8 would need to be wired, but there are already conduits

[drowsy fossil]

Cat5e cat8 whatever have the major benefit of Poe, allowing you to put in a switch or wifi ap without taking up a power socket at the destination

[drowsy fossil]

Again do the math
Try to figure out how long you will spend wiring vs spending +100 per link of moca
Is it worth it? Up to you

[minor pagoda]

And all those conduits are going to one location, so putting there a network switch is no problem

[drowsy fossil]

This seems like it's sounding like a better and better idea to just get RJ45
Heck you could get a fancy shmancy Poe multi gig switch

You can still try out fiber for example if your router or Nas isn't going to be in the switch room

But like it's really not that useful

[minor pagoda]

It would need 8 adapters

[drowsy fossil]

Well no

[minor pagoda]

So wiring is probably cheaper

[drowsy fossil]

Oh I see what you mean
Yes definitely

[minor pagoda]

The probably is, the place where all conduits start, is on the top floor, next to a radio antenna, and up there it gets pretty hot in the summer, so its not a good location for a server

[drowsy fossil]

At my work, we had to run Internet between two buildings, and we had to dig a trench, so we put in fiber

It was not cheap at all to get the trenching done so we put in a full bundle of fiber even though we only needed 1

[minor pagoda]

We only thought of upgrading, because we uploaded 100gb to the nas and it took 7 hours due to the powerline

[drowsy fossil]

This seems downright convenient by comparison

[minor pagoda]

Because the expensive thing is the digging probably

[drowsy fossil]

Yeah but how often do you need to do that...

[minor pagoda]

Sometimes, we store many things on the NAS

[drowsy fossil]

Also it would be 5 ish minutes on 2.5 gig to copy 100GB

[minor pagoda]

Yeah but getting the wiring done professionally is costly so the difference between 2.5gig and 25gig is probably not big

[drowsy fossil]

Again tho we still haven't hit all the costs for 25 gig

[minor pagoda]

Yeah thats true

[drowsy fossil]

You need a switch on the other end or a card in each PC, neither are cheap

[minor pagoda]

A card is around 200$

[drowsy fossil]

I hope not lel
For that price you can get a 100g card

[minor pagoda]

I’m outside the US

[drowsy fossil]

Oh that's gonna hurt
Yeah definetly go rj45

You can go 10 gig rj45 using cat8

[minor pagoda]

The problem is 30m is probably not enough

[drowsy fossil]

It will drop to 5 gig if it has to, 30m is really just for being safe

And it probably will be just fine regardless

The safety margins are pretty healthy

[minor pagoda]

And you think cat8 would last for 10-20 years?

[drowsy fossil]

Again tho you don't need even 10 gig

2.5 gig will be plenty

And 1 gig is also actually plenty for most folks

[minor pagoda]

5G can deliver up to 2.7gbps of mobile data

[drowsy fossil]

Also again you have the option of picking and choosing
You can run your longest runs or the one to your Nas with fiber

[minor pagoda]

so mixing fiber and cat8?

[drowsy fossil]

5 gig as in double 2.5 gig

[minor pagoda]

There are 10gbps fiber internet connections

We currently don’t have those, but they probably will be built soon (to my location)

[drowsy fossil]

That is true
They are unnecessary for less than hundreds of people

[minor pagoda]

Doesn’t that require 2 network switches?

[drowsy fossil]

No

Look up the cost of SFP+ multi gig switch

[minor pagoda]

Or could we run a fiber to the basement and else cat8

[drowsy fossil]

Yep

"SFP+ 10GbE Capable Fanless 2.5GbE Switches"
https://www.servethehome.com/the-ultimate-cheap-2-5gbe-switch-mega-round-up-qnap-netgear-hasivo-mokerlink-trendnet-zyxel-tp-link/#:~:text=SFP%2B 10GbE Capable Fanless 2.5GbE Switches

[minor pagoda]

Something like this: Trendnet TEG-30262 24-Port Switch Gigabit 2x10G SFP+ Slots

But thats only 1gbps ethernet

[drowsy fossil]

Yea
"Multigig" is important
You can also search for sfp28 if you want a 24 port

[minor pagoda]

QNAP SFP+ Switch QSW-M1204-4C 12 Port or that one is 10gbe

[drowsy fossil]

Also consider the router may have ports available so you may not need as many ports as you think

[minor pagoda]

Those are the smallest i can find with more then 1gbps

[drowsy fossil]

Look at the website I linked

Servethehome makes great reviews of all this gear

[drowsy fossil]

That one would be what to get if you wanted to go for more of the fiber route except not because the mikrotiks are probably a better idea

[minor pagoda]

Those are only 2.5gbps

[drowsy fossil]

Nope!

The most common port is 2.5 sure, but the one I directly linked to supports dual 10 gig

Mixing and matching switches is encouraged
Also the router probably has ports too

I personally use the switch built into the router + 3 more on top of that

[minor pagoda]

The rj45 ports are 2.5gbps, aren’t they?

[drowsy fossil]

Got my 10 gig to distribute Internet around the house, then that connects to the hundred gig directly between my PC and Nas
Then the 1 gig switch for the misc devices is directly connected to the 10 gig switch

[drowsy fossil]

Yeah the specific one I linked
Keep reading

There are a ton of great options, none of them were available this time last year besides the trusty crs305

[minor pagoda]

Those are expensive

And the prices there are, at least for me, far off

[drowsy fossil]

Yet a grand for fiber is fine
????

Tho to be fair, mikrotik is usually not upcharged in the eu

[minor pagoda]

e.g. the Sodola 8x 2.5GbE + 1x SFP+ is on the serverathome page marked as 108$ and (converted to USD) around 450$ here

[drowsy fossil]

You are looking in the wrong places most likely
Half the list are aliexpress specials
Don't look for specific models, those just have an example of the features you can expect at a specific price

[minor pagoda]

Thats an amazon price on the site

[drowsy fossil]

Yeah but Amazon us is not the same as Amazon anywhere else

[minor pagoda]

Yeah Amazon US is 108$ and the (not amazon) retailers here are 450$

[drowsy fossil]

Yep
They know you won't spend the time to look on aliexpress or whatever which is the original source of the item

[minor pagoda]

But the quality of aliexpress stuff is often pretty bad

[drowsy fossil]

It's the same regardless of where you buy it

As long as it's the same item

Amazon us is almost the same as aliexpress in terms of who can sell there, it's actually a problem

[carmine moss]

Yeah I can say buying from most EU Amazon stores or AliExpress. The only real difference is warranty tho Amazon isn't good for warranty stuff themselves Vs other places

Like who cares if it's the Chinese version Vs the global one if it's the same product made by a Chinese brand.

[drowsy fossil]

Also keep in mind, it's not about the specific models, these are unmanaged switches, if it has the same specs on paper it's probably functionally the same regardless of who slapped a sticker on it

[minor pagoda]

But will they last 10-20 years or will they fail after a few years…

Chinese tech isn’t known for its durability

[drowsy fossil]

In all likelyhood it would last a while
But is that extra 5 years of reliability and peace of mind worth the extra probably $300 for identical hardware?

[carmine moss]

Most parts are the same parts in western brands and where are those made... Well china

[drowsy fossil]

Remember it's all the same chips

[carmine moss]

Also if it lasts 5 Vs 10 but is 1/4th the Price it's still cheaper yeah if it breaks it's annoying but it also depends on your environment with humidity and temperature

[drowsy fossil]

Oh dear I need to sleep, if you have any questions that don't get answered @minor pagoda , dm me and I will answer in like 6-20 hours

[minor pagoda]

Oh i’m sry for keeping you awake, for me it’s 10:42 am 😂

I forgot the time difference

[drowsy fossil]

Nah my poor time management skills lel

[minor pagoda]

As far as I know is the quality of tech products from taiwan better then china

[minor pagoda]

Sleep well and thanks for your help :)

[carmine moss]

Maybe the enclosure is a bit less thick metal but Chinese brands aren't bad atm. The PCB is pretty much the same it's just depends on the brand. China has cheap stuff and knockoffs. But they don't fake quality Chinese brands from my experience.

[minor pagoda]

Ok

I’ll look at it again later and think about everything i learned today, thank y’all!

[alpine leaf]

Hey guys, i have a little bit of a predicament
At home I have a 5g router in our main living room that gets supplies internet to the rest of the house, that router is connected to the wall which feeds downstairs to a switch which feeds to ethernet ports throughout the house. Each room has its own access point (which is a problem in itself, ive been meaning to pick up a mesh network system). Every now and then the wifi completely drops out, and i have to restart the main router to get it going again. The webpage for the router shows it has full connection but has really low speeds, and once i restart it it goes back to normal functionality again. this has started to be a bigger issue recently with no changes to prompt it, my working theory is there are just too many devices on the network causing interference but its such a pain in the ass at this point that im trying anything to fix it. Other than fixing my access point situation and picking up a mesh network, does anyone have a clue on why this would be happening or what i can do to diagnose the issue a little further?

[peak cloak]

Each room having AP is not a problem

Sounds like a possible bug with your hardware

When it drops out you have to troubleshoot if it's your wifi that is the issue, or the 5g connection

[alpine leaf]

interesting, ill admit i dont know much at all about networking.
so whats the best test to run the next time things die out and i have to restart? and is there a program i can run to be tracking network speed over time?

[peak cloak]

When it cuts out, first thing I would do is see if you can ping your router