networking

[visual tangle]

And we use whatever highest bit encryption our stuff allows.

[plucky pollen]

not that often

[visual tangle]

Does your router only allow WPA2 or WPA3 for a given network or can you do both?

[plucky pollen]

I can choose either

I was just thinking that it wouldn't really matter to use the less secure one on the guest network

and it would have better compatibility with older devices

what wifi 6 AP would yall recommend, ideally 100€ or less

[meager ginkgo]

I'd look into a UniFi U6-Lite or if you don't mind wifi 5 the UniFi nanoHD is really good

[plucky pollen]

I think I'll use the lite then since it's cheaper, thanks

[plucky pollen]

can I expect MOCA to work better than powerline?

[distant heart]

yes, its the closest thing to ethernet for many people, while powerline usually isnt that much better than wifi (unless your wifi is terrible or you dont need high speeds)

since it can do gigabit or even 2.5gbps, some people will even connect their WAP through moca (although the latency starts to add up a tiny bit. expect around 8ms if using wifi and moca together)

[dull mirage]

I am upgrading my router and i need help...
The "Antena" MikroTik SXTsq 5 ac (not sure) but it should be Isp AP
that goes to the router via Poe Cable and was previusly plugged in into ethernet port of the modem/router (Some Asus)
Now we got a new one and i am unsure what mode should be the router set to Wireless router mode, Acces point or Media Bridge

[long scarab]

I have a dumb question;
Is it possible for me to run FreeRADIUS in the cloud, for example, Oracle Cloud, and connect my router to it?

This is for WPA2/WPA3 Authentication to an access point

[visual tangle]

It looks like it is meant to be an access point, but I am not familiar with the product and their website is a little murky on terms that I would be looking for to sway me one way or another.

@dull mirage you need to determine what role you are trying to have the device play.
https://www.router-switch.com/faq/access-point-vs-bridge.html
https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/answer/The-difference-between-an-access-point-and-a-bridge

So, unless your intent is to "bridge" two separated networks and have them connected wirelessly you should be using AP mode.
AP mode make it a way to access the existing network as a broadcast point for the wireless part of a given network.

Think of an AP as a multiport Ethernet switch all on the same LAN.
Think of a bridge more as a cable going between two switches that have different LANs but now allows them the two networks to talk to each other.

[dull mirage]

The Mikrotik has no dashboard or anything..
By device you mean the router? (Asus)

[dull mirage]

Yeah, definetly not Bridge i was in state of deciding if it should be AP or Wireless router mode

Both works.. just in AP mode i have no control over the network

[visual tangle]

By device I mean your MikroTik device. I assume I parsed your question correctly and you were asking how the MikroTik device should be configured?
If not, please re-order your question.

[dull mirage]

Oh yeah, i meant the Router.

The Mikrotik has no UI or something

[visual tangle]

In AP mode it would just act as an antenna for whatever wireless network you have setup.

[visual tangle]

By the router you mean the Asus router?

[dull mirage]

Yeah.

[visual tangle]

How many devices do you have, how are they currently connected?

[dull mirage]

You mean all devices?

[dull mirage]

1. Mikrotik (Act as the supply, has no dashboard, i have no control over it)
2. The router.. Which i dont know if it should be AP mode or Wireless router mode
3. Then another older router set as AP
   All devicdes are trhough wifi excpet one computer

[visual tangle]

Is your modem integrated into one of these devices?
What devices are connected to each other via Ethernet cable?
In which device do you configure the network? (i.e. who acts as DNS and manager?)

[dull mirage]

The 2. Is new (So configuration from the start)

[visual tangle]

You did not answer my questions clearly enough for me to understand your network.

Cannot advise.

[dull mirage]

What do you not understand? My english is not the best? I can explain or clearify again :)

[visual tangle]

Network has a modem.
Connection from ISP comes to this. This has to be a network device.

A modem may be combined with other devices such as a router, switch, and access point.

A router is basically that which manages where traffic goes.

A switch allows multiple end points (computers, other devices) to be connected via Ethernet and allows the router to direct traffic there).

An access point is basically a wireless switch. It allows the router to direct traffic to wireless devices as it acts as the connection point for wireless devices.

Again, any given device can serve multiple functions, for example, something that has 4 Ethernet ports and broadcasts wireless is a switch and an access point built into one.

If that same device acts as a DNS and allows you to configure the network it is also a router.

So a different MikroTik device than the one you initially asked about?

[dull mirage]

Here 1.

[visual tangle]

But 1. is something different than the MikroTik SXTsq 5 ac?

[dull mirage]

Nope

There isnt any other Mikrotik

[visual tangle]

That's not your modem then.

[dull mirage]

Well yeah. My mistake

[visual tangle]

I recommend finding a resource in your native tongue that allows you to translate your understanding of the device I listed here.

Once we're on the same page about network components and what they do we can continue.

[dull mirage]

I think i got it... The Mikrotik is a Router then.

So now its to determine what mode would be best for the Asus "router"

[pseudo blade]

It does, but it won't be exposed to you if it's the ISP's kit. You'll want the router set to route and NAT, not bridge.

[dull mirage]

Yep.. Thats what i was thinking that its ISP only

[dull mirage]

By router you mean the asus?

[pseudo blade]

Whatever you have that plugs into the Mikrotik must route.

[dull mirage]

So not even AP mode?

[pseudo blade]

Yeah it'll be an AP, but it can't just be an AP.

What model is it?

Wireless router mode

It's on the left

[dull mirage]

Yep jsut as i thought

Okay

[left flame]

hey people

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo

4x4 4 stream MU-MIMO 160MHz WiFi 6 AP

2.5GbE

[unkempt mural]

Anyone here familiar with GSMA SGP.22 v3.0?

The LPA API doesn’t work the same way and the docs don’t make any sense to me, so if anyone knows how to configure your LPA to work with your eUICC working in the SGP.22 v3 spec that would be a huge help.

[clear igloo]

y no 6e? 😄

[rocky badge]

Aruba instant on doesn’t have 6E

You have to go to Aruba (non instant on) for that and the 4x4 one is $1200

Plus licenses, I think they can be autonomous??

[clear igloo]

oh, rip

Although you could go TP-Link Omada for $500 with their EAP690HD/AXE11000

[thick minnow]

Oh I got a fun one for you all.

[sage crow]

Maybe he should look up the definition of Bulgarian and apply it to todays internet standards

Think that’s the answer he should be looking for

[pseudo blade]

If you can fix the Bulgarian internet you can do the Australian one while you're at it

Overpriced VDSL be gone, 10 gig to the home, hop to it!

[plucky pollen]

lol

found a bug in the UI of my ISP router; I had the < character in a password and when I refreshed the page it had replaced it with <, however the actual password that you could log in with did have the < and not <

very cursed

and their feature to generate a QR code for the guest network is bugged too, it uses the default SSID and password 😂

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo @hollow marlin this calix router is really good at WiFi

WPA tho 💀

[hollow marlin]

Is that a Gigaspire?

[meager ginkgo]

Brightridge?

[rocky badge]

No

Ben Lomand

[meager ginkgo]

ah lol

[rocky badge]

I think so

[rocky badge]

They have really good peering with my home ISP

I get 300/400 Mbps to my ISP’s speedtest server on WiFi

~15ms to my home

[meager ginkgo]

dang

[hollow marlin]

We have a ton of them deployed, some with the bridge. I never tested them in person though

[rocky badge]

My bad avg 20 which is still good

[meager ginkgo]

BrightRidge uses Calix right?

I haven't found 100% positive answers

[rocky badge]

150mi straight line from here to there

[meager ginkgo]

interesting.

[rocky badge]

I wonder what those 10.0.0.0/8 IPs are from

An interconnect?

[hollow marlin]

Some use private ranges for their backbone interfaces to conserve IP space

Nothing wrong with it, just limits troubleshooting

[rocky badge]

That 206.71 before the 10 ips doesn’t show up in HE bgp

[rocky badge]

Ah

[hollow marlin]

Looks like it's just an IX which makes more sense

[rocky badge]

Hop 3 looks like a cisco asr lol

The naming of it

hu = hundred gig e
vl2004 = vlan 2004?
asr01

hop 2 is a Calix OLT?

[hollow marlin]

Naming lacks recognized standards. Too many think a device or interface name is a "security issue".

Hop 2 may be an E7 if they have it configured for routing.

[rocky badge]

@hollow marlin @meager ginkgo all of these little rural ISPs in TN peering or having the same peers with each other is cool

[meager ginkgo]

lol

[hollow marlin]

Thats what makes IXes so nice

[gusty lava]

Hey :)
Is there a way to add a (WireGuard) VPN as an additional interface?

I don't want to change my regular network, but I want to have an extra connection to have a "second" LAN in a way.

[green hemlock]

Can you over extend a wifi network... as in. have too many base stations in a small space so there's signal confusion due to overlap?

[plucky pollen]

probably. You might want to configure them to use different frequency channels if you can

[vocal river]

hop4 looks xr-ish too, be = bundle-ether

[rocky badge]

Yeah

@meager ginkgo

[meager ginkgo]

ooh

where is this at

[rocky badge]

Bonnaroo

[peak cloak]

yes

wireguard shows as an interface wgX

[lone sun]

🫤 How come the nslookup command works when trying to get the name of an enterprise router/gateway via its IP address, yet doesn't on my own home modem/router? I just did it on the gateway my company laptop is using and it gave me a name. I can ping the name as well. One would think a home router would have a name right?

[livid aspen]

AD includes dns with forward and reverse lookup entries for a domain. Like you create one. And it automagically creates the other. And the ad is the source for both. And your work computer is usually part of that domain.

Dc dns can also quary dns from root dns servers. Which means someone else’s dns server isn’t between you and them.

Most home grade dns routers are not hosting reverse dns. Often don’t have the ability to host their own dns domain. And they often don’t have to to fetch dns off of root domains. Instead they just quart someone else’s dns server. So your getting all the dns from someone else. And your like 3+ dns servers away from the source. So like dns changes. And your waiting on the man in the middle dns server. Which can also be manipulating their dns.

[lone sun]

🤔 And by AD you mean active directory right? @livid aspen

[livid aspen]

Yep. Just assuming your company is running it. Or something with similarly functionality

Like sometimes you can set a search domain. Which can in some instances help with local discovery

Some devices might also do mdns. Which allows for discovery without a centralized server.

[lone sun]

🧐 We're definitely using active directory. Its Amazon.

Talk about networking, the amount of networking in their warehouses is insane. Tons of IDF's full of switches and 100's of wireless access points in just one of them. 🤯

[pseudo blade]

Well you have to have the wireless access points, how else would the servers connect to the internet? :P

[livid aspen]

Most places are running cat6a these days for aps. What brand of ap are they using?

[lone sun]

I think they are cisco aps actually. They cost over $800 on Amazon..

[lone sun]

🫤 I mean, all the access points are wired up to the IDFs, who are wired directly to an MDF room if that's what you mean. Some stuff uses Ethernet but most of it is using wifi, and we're talking thousands of devices at once in just one warehouse. And they are doing this without IPV6 somehow. That makes it even more insane. 🤯

What do you call routers that can handle multiple segmented networks at once? Or multiple subnets? Those are the kind of routers they use. Those must be ultra expensive in itself. 👀

😅 Somebody was paid BIG bucks to set these warehouses up.

[thick minnow]

Does proxmox have any issues with realtek nics? Thinking about putting pfsense in proxmox for my network

[pseudo blade]

I misread your message and saw "datacenter" instead of "warehouse" and was making a bad joke - Yeah that makes a ton more sense, I've seen a few warehousing setups but none good, sounds cool.

[thick minnow]

they are just known as "routers". 🙂 Maybe you mean "Layer 3 switch"? They are "smart" ethernet switches that have a router function built in, and usually only handle ethernet ports (and often fiber uplinks)

[clear igloo]

Private IP addresses 🙂

[lone sun]

Yeah, they seem to use a combination of layer 2 & 3 switches. Distribution and access layer switches are terms I've seen them use. 🤔

[lone sun]

😅If none of the others were good, then Amazon warehouses must be light years ahead of them. It better be a good setup, with the thousands of devices that has to be supported.

[peak cloak]

Just routers

[plucky pollen]

Did I understand correctly that for Unifi access points to even work you need to have something running Unifi network all the time?

[celest pendant]

Does someone have a crashcourse portforwarding/minecraft server hosting

without renting a private server online

[pseudo blade]

Pretty much anything aimed above consumers can

[plucky pollen]

So I actually only need it to configure them?

[peak cloak]

pretty sure no

[peak cloak]

technically I guess yes? but I think some functions require the controller such as better wifi roaming

[plucky pollen]

roaming?

[peak cloak]

it will work without controller, but I think there's some protocols that make it better

[gusty lava]

also on windows?

[rocky badge]

@meager ginkgo @clear igloo

Verizon making sure you got good cell service here lol

[meager ginkgo]

lol nice

[rocky badge]

200/100Mbps on LTE

[peak cloak]

yes I belive so

[lone sun]

😐 Oh, I thought they were called something special. 😂

[pseudo blade]

Assuming it's implemented using layer 3 features of the switch chip it will be wirespeed. Just be aware that you won't have a firewall between the two and if you have multiple segments for security reasons you will be limited to whatever you can implement with their IP ACLs, which compared to a proper router or firewall is very limited.

Oh this footnote might be of interest if you were using this for the Omada functionality:
***L3 and ISP features can only be configured in standalone mode.

[plucky crescent]

Hey, is there a good site for finding a quality router for my needs, or does anyone have a recommendation for a fairly inexpensive 2.5g or better router? I have a mikrotik, and I get that it is a good product, I just can't handle managing the thing

[visual tangle]

Umm, I guess I have a question, what is difficult about managing the Mikrotik?

My experience with Unifi has been pretty set it and forget it for the most part.

[meager ginkgo]

yeah same here 🤷‍♂️

[sharp sparrow]

The management interface on mikrotik isn't particularly user-friendly, I'll give you that. What model is your mikrotik and what issues are you having?

[pseudo blade]

Mikrotiks have a lot more functionality than Unifi, which does result in a bit of a "sea of buttons" effect

[sharp sparrow]

The biggest thing is just learning where the stuff you need is, and ignoring all the rest 😄

[pseudo blade]

Exactly.

I also tried a wave2 WiFi device for the first time yesterday and it's implemented completely differently

I'll be honest - I just let the default config and quickset give me a config that was 95% right and then adjusted the resulting config to meet the requirements

I usually start from scratch but I was only budgeted for 45 minutes on site and it was quicker to do that than read the docs on the new thing

[sharp sparrow]

yup. I did my mikrotik config from scratch, but I have used their stuff off and on for 15 years and my config is a bit less standard

[cold forge]

The biggest issue i had was the difference between versions, chips, etc but they all use the same interface. But if you configure it wrong, you don’t get hardware support and everything crawls to molasses

[sharp sparrow]

Fair

[cold forge]

Don’t remember off the top of my head, but i have 2 3x cloud routers, that use like, the routing config, but that series had no PoE switches, so i had to get a 2x, which can only be configured with the switch config, it was very confusing, because i could just copy the config from the other devices

[pseudo blade]

Yeah with Mikrotiks you have to understand the hardware more than you would with say Ubiquiti

This doesn't bother me much tbh but I get how it might some people

[peak cloak]

not just hardware, but more of the linux network stack

I'm sometimes lost with mtik, so many little gotchas

[left flame]

my vps provider had been issuing the ips from a /25 ipv4 block and idk why i check the block of it and i found 20 unused ips.. with some fingering in netplan config i now have 21 ipv4 address for a single VPS 💀👊

is it ok? 💀

or I should remove those extra ips

[ashen cloak]

Can I ask a very very stupid question? Kinda new to networking and wanna know if what I am trying to achieve is actually possible

Instead of a router behind a router, would it be possible to just put a router in the network, and only use it's routing/firewall capabilities? (no dhcp)
I would like to open a bunch of ports, and let pfsense actually handle it instead of my ISP router.

[clear igloo]

Possible? Yes
You could setup your DHCP server to have clients point to pfsense as the default gateway for clients and then pfsense point to your ISP box for its gateway
The cleaner way, if possible, is put your ISP box in bridge mode and do everything off pfsense and add a switch if you need more ports

[peak cloak]

that's not really how it works

is it possible, yes. But I don't think it works like you want it to

The cleaner way, if possible, is put your ISP box in bridge mode and do everything off pfsense and add a switch if you need more ports
this is the way

[ashen cloak]

My isp does not allow bridging... I also tried to have everything behind pfsense, but then tv stopped functioning, so I reverted it back.

Thanks for the feedback tho

[peak cloak]

could probobly fix that with clever port forwarding rules

[safe quiver]

I think this is the right place to ask this dumb question
I have a pretty basic truenas scale server setup and I can access it from outside my network using openvpn via my router
Is it possible to access it through a website with a login window instead, like going on to Chrome typing in example.com into the url then putting in login credentials and bam full nas access

[ashen cloak]

reverse proxy

[drowsy fossil]

cloudflare has free internet based reverse proxies called cloudflare tunnels, there are other options that other folks use

[echo marsh]

I have a slightly dumb question I think. Does anyone have any suggestions on wirelessly bridging around 1,600 feet with a wifi signal? I don't need between, just point A and point B (with clear LOS but elevated). I'm looking at the TP-Link CPE710 because of cost, but I'm not sure that's the right product for the solution I'm looking for.

I've tried googling and that led down a couple rabbit holes I don't fully understand or want (like what WISP is as an example).

[past mason]

how fast do you need the connection to be

[safe quiver]

down the rabbit hole i go

[echo marsh]

Not really that fast tbh. Occasional online game streaming (as in cloud gaming) and video is about all he does.

[past mason]

I'd suggest something like https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1348249-REG/ubiquiti_networks_lbe_5ac_gen2_us_litebeam_ac_gen2_airmax.html

UBNT has been really solid for me over the years

and its around the same cost as the one you were looking at

[echo marsh]

Thanks for the link. I honestly didn't even look into Ubiquiti. Last time I looked they were kind of cost prohibitive and half the stuff wasn't available (my home network stuff).

[past mason]

they're like hidden gems

[echo marsh]

How far have you had it span?

[past mason]

if you do more googling for them you're looking for the CPE's

I've had a 5ghz radio pair span 2.2 miles though trees, never dropped. we've used raidos like this for about 5 or so miles if i recall and han't had any issues with good LoS

so your 1600 feet is a walk in the park

[echo marsh]

Wait... through trees?

You may have just made my day. If I don't have to elevate it so high. How many trees are we talking?

[past mason]

Yep, through the canapy of a few

[echo marsh]

That may help with elevation. That's great.

[past mason]

but I had an actual AP radio ($299( and a 30DB dish

[echo marsh]

He won't have that. Any suggestions on places to do any reading/watching so I can learn a little more about what I'm talking about?

[past mason]

https://ispdesign.ui.com/# you can play around with this to see just how high you need to go for things

[echo marsh]

Perfect. Thank you!

[past mason]

can you see the other place standing on the ground, or on the roof?

[echo marsh]

I'll have to mount both on a pole and probably get him to do a little tree clean-up but I'm pretty sure I'll be able to get LOS. Broadcast point is elevated as well and that should help.

One of the few times I wish I had a drone.

[burnt wagon]

hi, i have a question about essentially creating a mesh network using two routers? i have a primary router and then an ethernet cable through the house that connects to another router, i want that second router to just spit out the same network, is there anything i need to do besides give them the same ssid?

[past mason]

what kind of router do you have?

and I think you're talking more about WiFi roaming then meshing

assuming you're wanting total wifi coverage for devices

[burnt wagon]

primary is a motorola one and second is an old linksys ea3500

and yea i guess? so that when one router's signal is weak it connects to the other

i know i have to set second router to bridge mode

[past mason]

how large of an area are we talking about?

[burnt wagon]

one floor home, idk sq ft. but the primary router's signal literally ends when it gets to my bedroom doorway lmao

like i can get connection but i may as well have no actual throughput

[past mason]

ok, there's a few ways you can do this, the cheap way, the fast way, and the easy way. since you've got 2 different branded routers, meshing and roaming aren't going to work well/at all from my experience, so you can either disable DHCP on the linksys, give it a different SSID, and setup your phone w/ that one, and let it pick the better connection (you'll get drops and periods of no net before it flips over) or you can get a dedicated AP, put it in the middle of your house, and disable wifi on your main router and call it aday. (this assumes you dont have more then 1600 ft^2 coverage)

and the 3rd way

if you're dealing w/ more square footage, is to get 2 AP's like the U6+ from Ubiquity, and set them up for true roaming. since you have a calble aready ran to the far side of the floor)

[burnt wagon]

so #1 is what i was already doing

why won't bridging work well

and what problems will present if i give them the same ssid

[past mason]

cause you're not bridging 2 networks together, you're on the same one

that might work, but i've had problems where it will stick to the old router, (granted tihs was a few years ago)

w/ roaming, you normally have a controller (be it a server/master AP) that will psuh clients seamlessly to another AP if they had better signal to that

[burnt wagon]

currently i use one lan port on primary and plug that into the internet port of the second router

[past mason]

w/ your setup, they'd be no controller so it would be up to the device to flip over, much like your current setup, just w/ the same SSID

[burnt wagon]

so i guess it's not bridging yeah

[past mason]

if you disable DHCP on the 2nd router, you can just plug into the non wan port and get the same thing (and everything will be on the same network)

[burnt wagon]

that's kind of what i want

like i can't control home devices on either network if i'm on the other one

[past mason]

yeah

[burnt wagon]

would that resolve it if i'm on the "same" network

[past mason]

disabling DHCP on the 2nd one, and then plugging in the cable from the main router into a non wan port will get you there

[burnt wagon]

also fuck linksys what is the stupid default router password

what happened to admin admin

wait it reset properly this time maybe it won't show that

[past mason]

the default is admin/admin

[burnt wagon]

nvm it still did

oh thank god admin worked

i should not set second router to bridge mode, just turn off dhcp

correct?

[past mason]

Yep

then just plug the cable in from the other router into a normal port (not wan) and you should be good to go from there

[burnt wagon]

lmao because i just set it to bridge and had to reset it again because i couldn't find it's ip

[past mason]

you dont need to be on the same SSID to be on the same network

its probably still 192.168.1.1 but in bridge mode it probably let you pull an IP from the other router, and i bet that's not in the same subnet

[burnt wagon]

leave this?

[past mason]

you can just leave that as it is, wont be using the WAN port

[burnt wagon]

i'm assuming you mean yellow is the wan port

orange cable is connected to my pc rn

[past mason]

any of the blue ports

[burnt wagon]

cable from primary router is connected in port 4 and pc recognizes the network ssid from it, but i'm not getting internet

is there something i should do on primary end

[past mason]

unplug the PC from it for a few seconds, then plug it back in

so it tries to renew its IP

[burnt wagon]

oh banger

instantly worked lmao

time to reset all my home iot devices because i changed the ssid on the primary router 💀

[past mason]

have fun w/ that.... lol

[peak cloak]

that's the right type of product

[peak cloak]

you can do roaming without controller, same SSID. Works just fine

[past mason]

that's not actuall roaming, that's juse the device picking the stronger signal, which is about the same

[peak cloak]

that's what roaming is no?

Roaming occurs when the client authenticates against the new BSSID and deauthenticates from the current BSSID

[past mason]

except that on those kinds of AP's, they're broadcasting SSIDs, not BSSIDs

in his setup, he has 2 sepperate wifi networks

[peak cloak]

?? every AP transmits both

[past mason]

I must be thinking of something else, its still not true roaming, as they're not the same wireless network (same SSID =/= same wifi network)

so when it it tries to connect to the other, it does its whole new networktihng like releasing its IP, then renewing it on the new network, where w/ true roaming, that part never happens, it just moves on to the next AP

[peak cloak]

well yes technically same SSID doesn't always means same network, although it should be

[peak cloak]

that's not wifi configuration, but network config. If it's on the same L2 network as it should be, that won't happen

[past mason]

every time my wifi changes networks it asks for a new IP, it doens't know its on the same L2 network, that stopped when I got 2 AP's and set them up for client roaming, i can watch the device move from one AP to another, but it never asks for a new IP

[peak cloak]

are you sure it's the same network? There's nothing that special about roaming on the wifi side, it's about the network. There are protocols that help with roaming and making it better, but that's more about client AP suggestions and stuff like that

[brisk plume]

If it's a windows device no need to unplug the ethernet. You can simply use ipconfig /release and then ipconfig /renew..... I'm not sure what the commands are for mac and linux

[burnt wagon]

that would have worked but replugging the ethernet did the same and it wasn't much effort to reconnect the ethernet jack

@past mason thank you for all the help yesterday but now i have obtained the older primary router, so i'd have the same manu just different model

do you suggest any changes or just do the same set up

[past mason]

yes, I know.. but he was literally holding the router in his hands, 2 seconds vs a min explaining the command and where to go to run it etc

[past mason]

adding a 3rd router? or just replacing the linksys?

[gilded kite]

does anyone have experience with opnsense and ipv6? I wanted to see if I can setup ipv6, to be able to access my network from outside over a public ipv6 address.
Sadly I'm sitting behind an ISP double NAT, so over IPv4 it wont work.
Test Websites report that I dont have an ipv6 address, even though I turned that on on my router's side.

[burnt wagon]

yes replacing

[peak cloak]

just turning it on in router may not doing anything if ISP doesn't support it

also how are double nated? CGNAT? 2 routers?

ipv6 has a lot more addresses, so every device on LAN gets a globally unique ipv6 address

and a prefix gets assigned to router, which is a range of IPs your LAN can basically use

[brisk plume]

it makes it much more simple than having to try to reach for something

[brisk plume]

I was taught to use those commands as it was a lot faster to just type than to unplug and replug a wire that may take an extra few seconds

[past mason]

You're failing to take into account, the router was in his hands..

[past mason]

then the process would be about the same then

[gilded kite]

My ISP uses DSlite, so I only have a "real" IPv6 address and get an IPv4 adress in their NAT

[peak cloak]

ah yeah so CGNAT

I'm not too familiar with dslite

but you should still get a v6 prefix

[brisk plume]

did you take into account that it may not pull an ip address? the wire could have a failure and not pull an ip so running those commands would make it simplier as you know to get a new cable than to walk a bunch of times

[gilded kite]

my WAN interface is supposed to grab an IP adress via DHCP, but it doesnt seem to have one

[past mason]

... with over 25 years in the IT field, using context he provided, the cable wasn't bad

[peak cloak]

show settings?

and router WAN is connected to what?

[past mason]

and again, the router was IN HIS HANDS. no walking required

[brisk plume]

having the experience I have now I know to use the port that says internet

and then use lan ports

[past mason]

again, that's not what we were going for in the setup he wanted

[gilded kite]

my WAN port is connected directly to the fiberbox I got from my ISP

[peak cloak]

and that box is only for terminating fiber, no router right?

just want to make sure

[gilded kite]

yes

[past mason]

he wanted 1 network, the way he had it setup, he had 2 separate networks, by hooking it up the way we did, he now has 1. you dont really ever need 2 routers in a home network w/ only internet connection anyway

[peak cloak]

try "send v6 prefix hint"

[peak cloak]

^ you only want 1 device NATing

[past mason]

exactly

[peak cloak]

@gilded kite and does that router have any sort of packet capturing / inspection. Without that we can only guess at the problem

also, show WAN interface status specifically addresses

[gilded kite]

I'm not too knowledgeable with OPNsense, I only setup mine a few weeks ago

[peak cloak]

oh this is opnsense

then it does pretty sure

thought it was a generic router with alot of settins

[gilded kite]

still no IPv6 sadly

[peak cloak]

http://wiki.cable-wiki.xyz/OPNsense

[gilded kite]

"local ipv6 address" implies it already should have a static one, no dhcp?
And could you tell me what the "AFTR adress" is?

[peak cloak]

well local ip address I think is link-local

with v6 you have several ips

link-local is used for L2 communication, within the same subnet kinda

on a specific interface

[gilded kite]

do you know where I can find that?

[peak cloak]

interfaces page

[gilded kite]

yes found it 👍

now I only need the AFTR adress

[peak cloak]

maybe you can find more info here

https://forum.opnsense.org/index.php?topic=27935.0

I'm not familar with either opnsense nor dslite so I don't really know this

[gilded kite]

I'm surprised I even have internet, if my DSlite doesnt work 😂

but thanks for all the help so far

at least I know where the problem is now

[safe quiver]

After some really helpful suggestions from this chat yesterday i've managed to setup a good reverse proxy for my network so i can access services im running through a web browser like my audiobooks here : audiobook.kult.haus
What i really want to be able to do is take the files hosted on that same server and present it through the same kind of webportal
I've tried using cloudflare tunnels on smb, unix, and webdav shares from the nas but none of them seem to be working at all, any suggestions on how i should go about this or if its even possible??

[broken depot]

I think my router doesnt work and on isp site they have list of things to do if it doesnt work. It is stuff like this "netsh interface set interface „Local Area Connection” enabled" but I dont know where to actually type it

[peak cloak]

cloudflare tunnels iirc only supports http(s)

if you want something like google drive, you can look at nextcloud

there's also seafile and sandstorm

[alpine cedar]

POV: a hotel charged you £120 a night and only gives 30 minutes of free WiFi

See there's this thing called changing your Mac address every 30 minutes 🤣 🤓 lol

[winter flower]

randomize mac adress is a saviour here

[alpine cedar]

Ngl cloudflare are gigachads for networking

I got a decent domain for a year from them for £3.73 and they have all their enterprise level protection and stuff in the free tier in their services

So like DDOS protection, reverse proxy, certificates etc

[alpine cedar]

I just type like 3 commands into my terminal every 30 minutes

Which is fine cos I'm working on a coding project anyway (I'm a Linux user and mainly use a terminal based text editor)

[winter flower]

oh ok i dont know much about linux tbh but ive used mint before

[alpine cedar]

I use...

Arch (btw)
Had to say it lmao

[burnt wagon]

anyone know to resolve this 😅

changed something in my router and it kicked me out, i now can not get back in

do i just need to reset the router

[obtuse dragon]

Looks like you disabled dhcp so your computer can't get an IP address. You could give your computer a static ip address so that you can connect to it again. The easiest option would be to factory reset the router though. Depends on how much configuration you've done to it.

[visual tangle]

I usually factory reset at this point and start over.

Also, low key suggestion...
Whenever I do my network work I keep a notepad going to keep track of my configuration settings. That way if I move or change out a piece of equipment I have a record of what things should be.

[winter flower]

arch is a gigachad move

[left flame]

bump

cause im still confused

[burnt wagon]

so new issue

@past mason for some reason the secondary motorola router is taking over the first

whenever i plug the cable from the primary into a secondary lan port, it basically takes over the default gateway page? i know this is true because they have different passwords

when it takes over, pcs connected by ethernet don't have network- it says they're connected but for some reason the router doesn't have an upstream connection

do i need to set the second router to bridge mode to resolve this or...?

lol i think i fixed it

set the second router's ip address to 192.168.0.2

i think that literally solved the issue

[past mason]

Yeah, if the 2 devices have the same IP, things could get very very weird, and the 2 devices will stop working while plugged in at the same time. (we didnt have that issue w/ the linksys as it used a different address range

[burnt wagon]

yeah it did lmao it uses 1.1 not 0.1

makes sense. should nat be turned off on one? i saw that somewhere in chat

[peak cloak]

second one should have nat off

[peak cloak]

yes ideally, if you want it to act as an AP

but that won't resolve the issue if you have IP conflicts

[burnt wagon]

well if i fix the ip and then set it to bridge that would work right

[peak cloak]

yes that's what you want, and DHCP off if it isn't already

[burnt wagon]

confused on disabling nat on a motorola router

i saw it on linksys explicitly

but not finding anything similar in the motorola settings

[peak cloak]

can't do it on all, a possible workaround is instead of plugging it into WAN port, plug into LAN port

[burnt wagon]

currently on settings of second router

[burnt wagon]

i have no wan ports only lan, the old router gets wifi through coax

[peak cloak]

on second router

[burnt wagon]

do i set this to bridge

[peak cloak]

the one you want to be an AP

[peak cloak]

yes bridge should disable NAT

[burnt wagon]

orange is hooked up to pc

the white is cable from primary router

images hate me rn they aren't sending properly lul

[peak cloak]

ok I see

[burnt wagon]

okay well i set it to bridge mode and it's rebooting

[peak cloak]

yeah so it should be fine

[burnt wagon]

if i put it in bridge mode am i going to be able to get to its default gateway? or do i need to plug in the cable from the primary now

[peak cloak]

wdym?

to access the router webui?

should still be the same IP

but it depends on what the IP is

[burnt wagon]

ipconfig gateway is empty

router was rebooted like 5 min ago at this point

[peak cloak]

well it shouldn't get IP from that router, but from the main one

if it's bridged correctly

[burnt wagon]

anything to change on the primary router?

[peak cloak]

no, shouldn't be

[burnt wagon]

working worse now that i switched it to bridge mode tbh

it's not putting out a signal just throughput

so my ethernet works but the iot devices aren't getting anything

also can't connect to webui

despite default address

smh why is network stuff so confusing

[peak cloak]

I would need specifics to know why

main router subnet

IPs

second router IP

[plucky pollen]

does 4x4 make a difference vs 2x2 with Wifi 6 and a small number of clients?

[plucky pollen]

if you have 2 clients that are each 2x2 connected, will it be better than with a 2x2 AP?

[burnt wagon]

it has finally been resolved and my network works the way i want it too 👍 thank u @past mason and @peak cloak for all the help

[past lantern]

hello, for awhile now, we have been using the Google Mesh Wifi Points/Routers to help due to the size of our home. We've had it for 2 years now but we feel like were not getting the performance we were expecting. Is there a better alternative than using google wifi points?

[visual tangle]

Depends how much work you want to do.
There are alternative options in the mesh space that may work better. Sometimes, depending on home size, you need additional mesh nodes.
But remember, mesh is almost always a downgrade from running cable and using access points.

So, what is your performance issue?

[cedar escarp]

Hey all, I live in a small town in a relatively non-urban area. Internet is a bit of a challenge, and my current provider is not great. Another provider has wireless home internet (comes in from a cell tower like a cell plan, to a modem which I then wire into) and I've gotten a 16 day free trial of it. Trying to figure out things I can do to compare the two. I don't expect the performance to be the same, but hoping to figure out what the difference is so I can decide if it's worth paying less for the wireless or more for the wired connection

[livid aspen]

Cisco makes some solid APs, and they're controllers have a ton of features. personly I like cisco meraki more. But cisco known for large scale.

[past lantern]

apologize for the late response, just spent an hour on the phone with spectrum. basically, we have a multitude of devices on a network (security cameras, wifi points, phones, etc) most of the time when i come around to gaming online, if i want the best performance, i would need to both prioritize my pc as well as cut out other devices. im not to found of having to do this but i cant think of any better ideas. my setup for wifi to my internet is weird as it is considered wire, but only to one access point that spans across a mesh system

[visual tangle]

Streaming.
Gaming you do regularly.
Downloading a game.
Regular browsing.
How us do you use the internet?

[cedar escarp]

Those are all the things I do normally, I'm more curious if there's some way I could set it up to run and log speeds over time and see how it performs

Want to see if it's gonna be a consistent connection. I am seeing a 20-30ms jump in ping from some tests I've done which isn't a great initial sign

[visual tangle]

You would essentially need to set up something that is going a constant test and loop it.
So a chron job of some sort and probably combine that with a network traffic monitoring tool.

[visual tangle]

So, based on this, you don't think that your up/down from your ISP that is the limiting factor.

And you think this is a total throughput on your network equipment?

[compact thistle]

an ISP telling you it’s a local issue and totally not their fault? I say

[cedar sapphire]

You need to get a router (or make one yourself from a Linux or FreeBSD system) where your gaming PC is separated from the rest in terms of QoS

This will solve the problem immediately

[past mason]

just going to point out that usually the first thing that ISPs do, is strip any QoS tagging, or ignore it completely

[pseudo blade]

You'd do queueing based on it on said router

So the ISP's only really relevant for its throughput in this context

[peak cloak]

are you using wifi at all for pc connection?

I would think that's the issue, wifi overall shared bandwidth, not the bandwidth of you connection to the internet

because nothing that you mentioned is really that bandwidth intensive

[past lantern]

It’s kind of a yes and no, I’m using a wired connection to a Google wifi point (kind of like an extender) but my understanding of the entire router system is that uses mesh instead of bouncing back from one another

[past lantern]

It may very well be, I’m not too tech savvy when it comes to this, and in the end I may not worry at all anymore since we will be moving in 2 months to a new place that basically had fiber built throughout the entire house so wireless routers may not be a worry anymore, but it’s annoying for the time being since I work from home

[peak cloak]

So yes pc connection goes over wifi

[visual tangle]

Do all of your speed issues go away if you plug into the mesh base station that your ISP signal comes into?

If yes, the part over wifi is the issue.

[past lantern]

Unfortunately I haven’t attempted that as the Google Wi-Fi puck itself only allows one Ethernet connection. I’m not sure how well it would be to plug the modem directly to my pc

[visual tangle]

Can you grab a picture of the back of the modem?
Also, can you link which Google product you use?

(Note on back of modem picture: please do not include Mac address or default password info which may be on a sticker.)

Also can just provide modem model number and make.
Basically trying to figure out what steps can be taken to narrow down the problem.

[peak cloak]

very rarely is that a problem

if you have about 100 mbps it's prob not an issue

[pseudo blade]

Oh it can be but yeah 50mbps plus and usually a bit of fighting over bandwidth doesn't hurt the latency-sensitive stuff too much

-Though the only way to guarantee it is to reserve bandwidth

It sure hurts at 3mbps though

[visual tangle]

I don't know that we have ISP data rate, but yes, this is rarely an issue depending on what all one is doing.

Torrenting and so on can use a lot of bandwidth.

[fickle nest]

I have an Asus motherboard with integrated wifi 6, but I also have a wifi 6E pcie card, which one would be faster

[meager ginkgo]

likely the wifi 6e pcie card

[fickle nest]

Tha8

Oops

Thanks

[robust crow]

Mildly interesting: the wifi networks inside the White House

[meager ginkgo]

couldn't even capitalize the names 💀

[pine valley]

https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/1120053537561387140

Can u guys help

[plain steppe]

yea

[wild epoch]

I just moved and my WiFi is good, I'm getting 200mb/s up and down and 0-10 ping but I'm experiencing 1% to 3% packet loss. I don't have access to ethernet nor the router as this is a student accommodation. Any idea what I can do? I play alot of Fortnite and I'm lagging which is so annoying

[kind pivot]

Is there any relatively affordable 5G routers (aliexpress ?) that can be used in europe ? (700Mhz bandwith + 4G)

Like that ? https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1005004735113424.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000014.4.2e746d05moUeBK&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.40050.281175.0&scm_id=1007.40050.281175.0&scm-url=1007.40050.281175.0&pvid=49df0f0a-e69a-4684-b590-8d0fa7bbefb5&_t=gps-id:pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.40050.281175.0,pvid:49df0f0a-e69a-4684-b590-8d0fa7bbefb5,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238110%231995&pdp_npi=3%40dis!EUR!409.36!171.93!!!!!%40211b442116871751154628210ee81b!12000030282849108!rec!FR!

[fresh shoal]

I have the worst idea ever.
48 port unmanaged hub

[hardy python]

Have fun with all the collisions you will endure.

lol

[pseudo blade]

No thanks, I'll stick with Avian Carriers

[mystic leaf]

Would you say cloud servers such as Microsoft Azure are worth it ? ( I apologise if this is the wrong chat to put this in)

[clear igloo]

For what purpose?

[pseudo blade]

I mean if your goals for it are as vague as "having it" no, they cost money every month.

You determine if cloud services are worth it by how much you'd otherwise be spending or how much they're making you to deserve their upkeep.

NGL for personal shit using their IaaS offerings it's my least favorite cloud - most expensive, least flexible.

[mystic leaf]

The company I work for were unable to make a decision to either swap from are current physical server within are office or swap to a cloud alternative

[pseudo blade]

Is the physical server meeting your company's needs?

[mystic leaf]

Not anymore no

[pseudo blade]

What sucks about it?

[mystic leaf]

Incredibly slow, CPU is constantly hitting around 89 - 94% usage while multiple staff members are logged in

[pseudo blade]

How many users, doing what?

[mystic leaf]

So we have around 50 ish users logged on at all time, the server had all of are software on it as well as data etc

[pseudo blade]

Is this a terminal server?

[mystic leaf]

Yeah

[pseudo blade]

What version of Windows server, how old is the system?

[mystic leaf]

I believe it’s running 2012 I don’t have this to hand right now do bare in mind this company is filled with dinosaurs

[pseudo blade]

Yep so one way or another you're due for new licensing

[mystic leaf]

Yeah that’s the first upgrade I’ve been looking at, as it’s a company of dinosaurs who don’t really understand how technology works the first thing I looked at was changing it to a cloud based server

[sharp sparrow]

CPU hitting 89-94% under peak load sounds like well provisioned hardware to me. Good return on that CapEx 🙂

[pseudo blade]

it's great if your employees are free

[pseudo blade]

Yeah that's probably not going to end well for you if you don't have a great understanding of the existing system.

Not my ideal candidate for a lift-and-shift, you need actual planning

[sharp sparrow]

The caveat that I didn't include is that it's good return on the CapEx only if it isn't causing any actual slowdowns, obviously.

[pseudo blade]

So you need to actually go and collect data from that system and identify exactly what resources are being used and why.

[mystic leaf]

It definitely won’t happen anytime soon it took me a month to explain to them that they had 2013 office 😂 so I have plentyyyy of planning time thankfully

[peak cloak]

On prem exchange too?

[mystic leaf]

Yes

[pseudo blade]

But not on the same server, right?

And this time where I meant to put it:
Thanks kindly, Mikrotik for changing how you present dates to scripts without putting that in your changelog

It's actually now easier to parse but yeah definitely a bit annoying considering that update also patches an unrelated CVE

global isodatetime do={
    local unfriendly [system clock get date]
    local time [system clock get time]
    local months {
        "jan"=1;
        "feb"=2;
        "mar"=3;
        "apr"=4;
        "may"=5;
        "jun"=6;
        "jul"=7;
        "aug"=8;
        "sep"=9;
        "oct"=10;
        "nov"=11;
        "dec"=12;
    }
    local month ($months->[pick $unfriendly 0 3])
    local day [pick $unfriendly 4 6]
    local year [pick $unfriendly 7 11]
    local retbuf ($year."-".$month."-".$day."T".$time."Z") 
    return $retbuf
}

has now become

return ([system clock get date]."T".[system clock get time]."Z")

Which is great and all except that it would have been nice to know that I'd need to do that before wondering why my dev device has hyphens all over the place.

Don't use RouterOS Script, it sucks

[visual tangle]

Cloud is best where you need parallel provisioning and do a lot of scaling up and down.

For example, if your load varies a lot and sometimes you need 6x servers serving part of a business service and other times you only need 2x a cloud deployment can be awesome for this. You're not paying for the hardware when you're not using it.

But... in other situations cloud, on prem, and remotely hosted generally just have their own give and takes.

A big one our customers run into is our software (database platform) is I/O intensive.

So, to get something with the IOPS to handle our journaling, for example, is often both tied to IOPS and size depending on the cloud provider.

So even though someone might need a TB or significantly less of journal space they need to pay for 2 TB to get the IOPS because that's how the cloud vendor bundles their performance tiering.

All this is to reiterate... moving to the cloud is very application dependent as to whether or not it makes sense.

[pseudo blade]

Application licensing both third-party and Microsoft, CALs vs Microsoft 365 E3 or similar, application resource usage...

Not knowing all of it up front can easily end up costing you tens of thousands of dollars.

[visual tangle]

But... But... The Cloud!

(The number of corporate people I've heard use "the cloud" as a buzzword vs the number who actually knows what they're doing is... The ratio means it is good to be in the cloud hosting business.)

[pseudo blade]

I don't think Azure's losing money on VMs, no

[visual tangle]

Neither is AWS.

To the best of my knowledge Google has not been as successful though.

[pseudo blade]

Maybe if Google Cloud wasn't constructed mostly out of unloved afterthoughts it'd have more success

[visual tangle]

I have not heard it described that way before...
But if the shoe fits.

[pseudo blade]

I still prefer it to Azure

[peak cloak]

Next in Google graveyard...

[visual tangle]

That's a big graveyard.

On the otherhand... We do have a lot of transparency, to a degree, into what succeeded and what failed.

[kind pivot]

Anybody ever set up a centreon infrastructure with high availability?

[pseudo blade]

No. But based on a quick read of https://docs.centreon.com/docs/installation/technical/ and https://docs.centreon.com/docs/installation/prerequisites/ (which indicates a single-master architecture with workers) I can tell you how I'd try to do it:
Deploy Centreon and probably its databases with Kubernetes like this on highly-available storage (SAN) or with instance snapshots: https://kubernetes.io/docs/tasks/run-application/run-single-instance-stateful-application/
Deploy the necessary number of pollers for your scale into your cluster by specifying the desired number of replicas.

But really to do this sort of thing properly you need to do a bit more planning, I don't know your scale, required integrity, skillset or budget.

[kind pivot]

Oh well, it's already set up for maybe 8 infrastructures and it's a freaking enormous scale (15k)

It's just I'm a newbie in the team and they told me to set up that on some random VMs to learn

And yeah k8s would be my go to choice sadly for a whole lot of reasons we do not use that in prod for centreon

[pseudo blade]

Perhaps you might farm out some of these parts to a cloud provider, some already do a pretty good job of handling the fiddly bits

lol what an ask of a newbie in VMs.

Well I do have another option, which is to do HA at the VM scale instead using your hypervisor's clustering feature.

If you're just learning you can cheat a fair bit

[kind pivot]

They told me to use pacemaker to set it up

[pseudo blade]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

So be it

[lyric sinew]

My internet modem has 8 LAN ports but only 1 and 2 LAN works. Someone know?

[pseudo blade]

It's still going to be the same constraints - Min and max 1 instance of the central server, 1 highly available database, either by using the same constraint as above and HA storage (or some other means of ensuring you have a sufficiently reliable master to query), however many pollers as per scale.

[pseudo blade]

You have not provided enough context for us to give a helpful answer, but you might want #1027757333117415424 if you want your hand held through that

[lyric sinew]

Basically the modem that sits on the wall has 8 LAN ports where I can plug in, but only number 1 and 2 is working. Like the others dont give any connection at all

[clear igloo]

what's the make and model?

[meager ginkgo]

You need to put a router after this box connected to LAN 1 or LAN 2

[oak tundra]

Is that just a switch?

[peak cloak]

looking it up it's a CPE switch, so kinda like a modem, but for fiber

need to put a router afterwards

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo I want to go a full SMPTE 2110 workflow at work

[grizzled idol]

Hey guys, do you normally put a hardware firewall in front of the router? For example, modem -> hardware firewall -> router -> switch -> computers

I hope this channel isn't the "networking" party networking thingy ...

[peak cloak]

usually at a small scale, home, small/medium business router and firewall functionality is done in the same device

firewall does filtering as well as NAT, DHCP, etc

[kind pivot]

I just ordered a starlink kit

And an "Ethernet adapter" from them too
I don't know if i can plug in a switch or if i need to put a router on this adapters

[peak cloak]

from what I understand the ethernet adapter just connects to the internal router switch

so you can plug it into a switch

[kind pivot]

Nice

[pseudo blade]

Isn't it lovely that they did all that engineering work so they could sell you back the wired networking port?

[peak cloak]

so stupid

[kind pivot]

Isn't that just a way to cut cost on the base router ?

Not having to integrate Ethernet makes it cheaper I guess, and I think that 300€ for the whole kit is somewhat cheap so yeah

Still sad to pay 40€ for one Ethernet port lmao

[peak cloak]

Yeah, but like 5 bucks

Max

An Ethernet port is pretty cheap

It's also just a way to get more hardware money I would think

[kind pivot]

Oh well ofc
But 5 bucks on 1M consumer that's a lot of money
And how much of those 1M needs the Ethernet port ? Just sell them an adapter and make more money, that's super smart to make more money and cut down costs for the masses sooo fair I guess ?

Or not lmao

Still glad to be able to apparently get 250mbps where I am

[thick minnow]

Anyone have eperience with setting up a VPN with netgear orbi?

[flint rune]

So mine came with the Ethernet adapter for free even though I didn’t order it, not sure if that’s normal now or if it was a fluke.

Ah wait nvm I see now ethernet adapter keeps the router in place, what came in the box free was the Starlink Ethernet cable. Which lets you connect the PSU/modem to your own router replacing theirs.

This is for the high performance kit, not sure if it is different for the normal kit.

[plucky pollen]

more like 2 probably

[pseudo blade]

The unusual connector probably cost more

[peak cloak]

normal starlink by default doesn't come with an ethernet cable

I liked the old design more

https://www.starlink.com/specifications?spec=1

[pseudo blade]

Even the cheapest, worst-made routers I've used at least had ethernet ports

Generally multiple

[uncut hound]

Y'all have more than 1 Ethernet port? Wow Spectrum really don't like them then

[peak cloak]

You sure that wasn't a modem?

[uncut hound]

Nope. Router. From Spectrum. The last one I had from them (which was older.) Had 3 lan ports. Not the one I have now.

[meager ginkgo]

Keep in mind you can always use a cheapo $10 gigabit 5 port switch to add 4 more ports

Still sucks though, won't disagree with you there

lmao

[uncut hound]

Yeah I have another router just wanted to see how their newer routers held up. Only gripe is less Ethernet ports and having to use their apps. Otherwise fine imo.

[kind pivot]

I bought a 8 port + 2 SFP+ mikrotik switch on top of the Ethernet adapter

[flint rune]

Lame, that should be free for all kits imo. That way anyone wanting to use their own gear or needs Ethernet ports can do so without buying something extra.

I’m so happy I don’t have to lug around their router and just connect the modem to my pfsense.

[hard arch]

half way done
time for a brake lol

only cat5e but meh i dont need 10gbps round the house

[waxen scroll]

@rocky badge @hollow marlin only cisco.... have a 100/1 copper switch from 2017 for $10k with no eol yet, then release a 10g on all ports copper switch in 2021 for $20k and tell customers to use that one if you're starting something new/big

wheres the 2021 1g copper switch at???

[woeful drum]

hey guys

i am trying to download gta v from epic games

my net speed is around 150 mbps

but i am only getting 3 mbps

download speed

i have unchecked the throttle option

is there any other soln?

[hollow marlin]

Are they not releasing 1G copper switches anymore? We still have a handful 2960s lying around for legacy ATM crap. However, Juniper is still releasing 10/100/1g switches

[clear igloo]

Not as often for DC focused gear but definitely still access, lol

He wants that SiliconOne based gigabit switch for management 😄

[waxen scroll]

I would like a 1g that can ACI thats not going to be EOL announced in a month from now

[drowsy fossil]

is that some cisco proprietary bs im too poor to know about?

[pseudo blade]

Yes https://www.cisco.com/site/au/en/products/networking/cloud-networking/application-centric-infrastructure/index.html

I've got a price list here and while I doubt they're paying list price it's pretty wild

[clear igloo]

nobody pays list price

[drowsy fossil]

yea but nobody pays list price with anyone else

[pseudo blade]

Like "I could get this for 4 switches or I could instead hire someone to spend a year trying to build something" wild

[clear igloo]

gotta raise price and then discount it to give people warm and fuzzy

[drowsy fossil]

besides mikrotik

[pseudo blade]

Yeah but even at like 20% list price it's dumb

[clear igloo]

Try 30% minimum from what I hear

[drowsy fossil]

id pay 2%
maybe?

[pseudo blade]

Yeah I think honestly that's dangerously close to breaking even with paying people to do it manually :P

[clear igloo]

If you're running ACI with 4 switches you're doing it wrong

[pseudo blade]

No duh

[clear igloo]

Hell if you're manually managing a standard VxLAN fabric even (~200 switches) then you have issues 😛

[pseudo blade]

I just aimed for an approximate figure

[clear igloo]

Fair, haha

[waxen scroll]

Try over 50% actually

I've never worked at a place under 60%

[waxen scroll]

Nope. The real answer is they need to figure out how much money they can make you bleed and then you pay just enough that you don't complain

That's why Cisco and the software industry use discounts

"call us for price"

Discount negotiation every few years. It starts with how much product are you planning to buy

Yes, they want a number before you have an idea

Failing to meet that number could mean penalties and loss of discount

And there's @clear igloo s dinner

[drowsy fossil]

education and public service gets you better discounts

[rocky badge]

lol

[gloomy sedge]

can someone help m,e out my iphone 14 pro is bugging out

[hard arch]

fml
drilled a 6.5mm hole for ethernet
every atempt to pull throw fails

[hard arch]

12mm bit time

[pseudo blade]

Well yeah leaving zero tolerance makes it hard to pull

[hard arch]

FUCK YE

[hard arch]

shame phone not any faster

[humble orbit]

guys, quick question, a friend asked me for help because his ftp (sharing his own pc) isnt working, hes using filezilla server on his pc and trying to connect to the forwarded port of his ip (not localhost) from filezilla , also from his pc

does this work?

[pseudo blade]

Doing that requires hairpin NAT (aka NAT loopback or reflection) support on his router.

Considering he's local to the server he could just use the local address? Else have him look into adding a local DNS record overwriting the public one and pointing directly at his computer.

[long scarab]

i don't understand wiring diagrams for ethernet so i made my own

[hard arch]

tone down the brightness a little

[restive urchin]

it's kinda hard to read the green numbers on the white background

[long scarab]

reply: i did that for me lel
reply: i see that now, i'll switch colours to black or something

[scenic crag]

Hi, so I've recently put OpenWrt on my router, but I'm a bit overwhelmed by all the options for configuring the thing. My home basically has setup like in the image below, where I have a modem+router combo from my ISP. some devices in the living room connect directly to it. it then has another cable going to the office, where it goes into the OpenWrt router, which then attaches to a number of other devices. Now every device does get internet, but I do have a problem that the devices from the office and living room can't find each other. It seems the openWrt router is creating its own subnet (192.168.1.x). Both routers do run a DHCP server at the moment. I'm not sure if I need to run DHCP on the ISP router, as I would prefer to do it on the openWrt alone. Any hints how to configure the ISP router to use the openWRT one for DHCP, so also the living room devices get their IPs from it and are in the same subnet? Of course in a matter that all devices still connect to the internet. Thanks in advance!

[pseudo blade]

But you'd still like to use the Arris combo as your gateway and as a switch?

Do you want OpenWRT's firewall to work for network traffic as well?

You can make that work but it's a little messy.

[scenic crag]

the archer does not have a modem, so I think I'm sort of forced to use the arris as a gateway. Also yes, I would like the ports on it to work as a switch

[pseudo blade]

You need to change how your interfaces on the Archer are set up so that they all exposed one network in a bridge. Then give it a static IP in that network and enable DHCP on that bridge with the gateway set to the Archer's static IP. Disable DHCP on the Arris combo. Set up the Archer so it routes traffic bound to it to the Arris's static IP.

As I said: a bit of a mess

Anything connected to the Arris modem will connect to the internet by sending traffic to the Archer, which then goes back by the same cable to the Arris modem-router

You can do that with two subnets but there's not much point

[thick karma]

Anyone know how to make samba faster? Im running this off of ubuntu 2204

[zealous marlin]

im running a deco mesh network on my wifi system main one is connected to my sky broadband box (wifi and modem at same time) anything to do to make it faster on deco or sky box

[hardy fractal]

What will happen if i plop openwrt to a unsupported router or a tplink unsupported router?

Please @ me if answer

[hardy fractal]

I said "unsupported"

[potent axle]

Is unifi any good?

Or is Cisco still the standard???

[peak cloak]

depends on the need

[potent axle]

Let’s say for 5-6 computers connected through lan, A few Wi-Fi devices and to isolate 1-2 computers on a v-lan/separate lan.

In different rooms

[peak cloak]

unifi will be fine, tplink omada will be too. Sounds like a super basic setup

maybe even overkill

[potent axle]

Hmmm. Sounds complicated to me lol. Overkill for peace of mind lol

Don’t want to reinvent the wheel….guilty of that…. I Just get it done right the first time

[pseudo blade]

I'd advise against Cisco at that sort of scale, all their SMB stuff is awful

I guess the main gotcha with Unifi is that I keep hearing and encountering situations where stuff won't connect to it.

[potent axle]

Hmmm I just want something old school that works. Not something designed for looks/cool factor

[pseudo blade]

Lots of people remain very happy with it but I had some people in a healthcare network who couldn't connect their Surfaces or iPhones, I think Linus had problems with his setup at home and at work recently

I mean I can recommend what I like using if you'd like

[potent axle]

If he had issues…. Yes please

[pseudo blade]

It's not "cool" but I really like them

Mikrotik gear

The new Wave2 stuff I'm still figuring out but their old stuff I use everywhere and never had an issue, though it's not quite as simple for a newbie as your Unifi's or TP-link gear

Do you have a router you're using already or will your new device be expected to do that routing+VLANs for you?

[potent axle]

Hmmm more research to do!! Thanks for the info. I’ll look into them.

[pseudo blade]

I'll point you to a product if you give me more detail

[potent axle]

Would prefer new stuff

[pseudo blade]

OK so one box doing routing and AP duties?

[potent axle]

For routing+vlan

Not necessarily can get separate equipment

[pseudo blade]

Ok, how big of a space are you covering?

[potent axle]

Not two large. 2 aps will do

Cat6 lengths already ran

[pseudo blade]

If you've ran the cables, are you looking for roof mount?

[potent axle]

Would that be best?

[pseudo blade]

It can improve performance as it'll be above objects that might block coverage, but it's not really the end of the world either way

It means you'd want a box in your roof for it else you'll have an ugly cable going down to wall plug or whatever

[potent axle]

Then yes.

Out of sight out of mind

[pseudo blade]

If you want easy, have a look at TP-Link's Omada offering.
I set one of these up last week for a client, it does WiFi 6, VLANs and the like and can self-host a controller to manage your other AP, along with having PoE out for it: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ax2
Perhaps this might interest you as a roof-mounted AP. It is also a fully-functional router: https://mikrotik.com/product/cap_ax#fndtn-gallery

I mean you can do VLANs and routing on the roof-mount AP if you really want to but that might be a little weird :P

Oh yeah if you want multi-gigabit you'll want something else

And of course: Do your own research into these and other stuff

[potent axle]

Thanks for the info doing research now. I appreciate your help 🙏

[kind pivot]

I've never seen the point of a router for home use, anybody has examples ?

Btw maybe I'll share internet withy neighbor with my incoming starlink kit, do you think the wifi is strong enough to reach across the street ?

[hard arch]

more network stuff to play with = more fun

making my own router atm just waiting for parts lol
just need to find a mini pcie wifi card to put into it

and then the 4x nic
and if i can find it the poe addin card just for an extra port

16gb ram
4 core amd jaguar cpu
1x 1gbps port(maybe 2 if can get the poe adapter
4x 2.5gbps ports
rgb

only planing on 2.5gbps since the ont my isp give has a 2.5gbps port
gotta sqeeze out that extra bit of speed lol

[kind pivot]

So no real use case ?

[pseudo blade]

lol what - do you want more than one device in your house or not?

I don't think every home user needs VLANs and enterprise-grade kit but no routers is a little silly

[kind pivot]

Sorry I meant "third party router besides the one given by the ISP"

It wasn't clear my bad

[pseudo blade]

It's very helpful when the ISP router sucks and has unreasonably fixed config

Like I can't specify custom DNS on the Telstra one so I use a Mikrotik

[kind pivot]

Do you have an example of what kind of config ?

I never encountered this kind of problems with my ISP routers (France, "free" brand)

[pseudo blade]

VPN functionality built in vs having to run a separate box

Sometimes it just has other deficiencies like hijacking page loading if the internet's unstable

[kind pivot]

Okay okay
On my ISP router I can even install 3 HDDs, install VMs, docker containers and I have an SFP+ output (I had*, I'm going starlink now)
So I think it's a good one ?

[pseudo blade]

I actually use multiple subnetworks because I'm starting a business in my house

[kind pivot]

But in France you can't bypass totally the ISP router, the ONT is built inside of it so any router you add will be after theirs...

[pseudo blade]

I have never seen an ISP router that permits VMs

Usually they have like 256MB RAM and a low-spec ARM CPU because they're built to a price

[kind pivot]

Yeah they are a bit crazy lmao, I mean just having an SFP+ output and 10Gbps of bandwidth is already crazy enough

[pseudo blade]

Well that's just silly then

[kind pivot]

Why ?

[pseudo blade]

Because it's clearly not a typical ISP router

[kind pivot]

https://www.free.fr/freebox/freebox-delta/

But they are among the most known ISP in France haha

(lmao look at the numbers on the image, 13:37)

It's 50€/month to get that router with 8Gbps bandwidth

But maybe with the starlink router I'll feel more limited and feel the need for a mikrotik router ?

And that this one is really just silly like you say

[pseudo blade]

Nothing on that site says anything about VMs

[kind pivot]

True, but the possibility is there

[pseudo blade]

No?

[kind pivot]

I guess they don't say it because mass market doesn't even know what a VM is

https://www.universfreebox.com/article/52256/les-machines-virtuelles-debarquent-sur-la-freebox-delta-on-vous-dit-tout

[pseudo blade]

Yeah that's something your ISP might be doing but I've never heard of anyone else doing this

It also looks very limited by the hardware though I guess it'd be cool to run a few little things

[kind pivot]

As I said I'm going starlink anyway since I moved and there is nothing else available yet (new house)

So maybe I'll feel the need for another router, I'll see
What's neat with starlink is that i can totally bridge their router

Yeah you can do VM but they won't be super fast haha

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo @hollow marlin

[clear igloo]

😄 I saw that!

[clear igloo]

@waxen scroll See, maybe you'll get unifi chassis one day 😄

[balmy shore]

anyone here have experience with traefik? how do you like it? i'm considering ditching nginx

influxdb is about to give me a fucking aneurysm because they serve pages that reference absolute paths and i can't be bothered to go and fix the UI that someone was paid to write and did a half-assed job of

[pseudo blade]

This looks fun

[knotty plover]

TD-W8961N_V4

is this good for ADSL 2+?
my old router is almost dead, only outputs 10Mb/s from LAN, Wi-Fi is fine, but LAN ports are dead.

[pseudo blade]

I want to see one properly kitted out with the requisite 14 antennas

I've seen like 3 asks here for WiFi 6e and 10/2.5gbe in people's houses

You might pay more for the case and antennas alone than most people are paying for their home routers but hey that's the price of admission

And once you're done now it's time to correctly align your new WiFi Hedgehog's antennas to avoid conflict

Not sure 4x4 everything and diversity is practical but what it will be is eye-catching.

[rocky badge]

@peak cloak

"ChatGPT integration"

[pseudo blade]

Oh boy I always wanted ChatGPT in all my shit

It definitely needs to be integrated into my container management system

Can I get ChatGPT integrated with my toilet yet?

What about my toaster so I can argue with it about why I don't need the monthly toast subscription every morning?

[peak cloak]

https://www.upliance.ai/

[pseudo blade]

Oh what great joy and jubilation!
Milquetoast conversation directly with my thermomix!

I wish Indian homes and kitchens all the best

[arctic rain]

Hi there, so I learned that Wifi Routers use the WPA2 encryption to protect against attacks,

I bought myself a router that seems to only support WPA-TKIP, is there a way to add WPA2 to it?

[peak cloak]

WPA1 is old and insecure, and because I belive they use hardware acceleration, no

and TKIP is old as well

[arctic rain]

Found out my new router supports WPA2

I have to update it via a driver update

[hard arch]

cursed network setups
every client has its own vlan and subnet

[peak cloak]

iirc that's basically the workaround for android not having DHCPv6

[hard arch]

dubble nat bad
so why not use quadruple nat

[pseudo blade]

Why stop there

Centuple NAT

[rocky badge]

what if the internet was one big nat with one central router /s

that wouldn't make sense after typing that though

[pseudo blade]

We'll need a few more ports than 65k

If we're putting the whole internet behind one

[hard arch]

that one soulth park episode

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo @hollow marlin wtf is this bs

i don't want to ziptie something like that to my rack lmfao

[placid wigeon]

At work today, i determined that the max number of RB951 routers you can daisy chain through PoE is 3

I zapped myself on a PoE cable that wasn't properly grounded today as well

[pseudo blade]

It depends on the input voltage actually

They don't use much though

But it allows half an amp on the PoE port which at 24v is... 12w, or ~4w/device

[hard arch]

how dose poe even work
is it just a comunication to increace logic levelss
or something more simple

[rocky badge]

the PSE (Switch) will send voltage to the port and if a PD (PoE powered device) will send voltage back to the switch and the switch will start supplying power based on the voltage received back and any other "messages" sent back and forth

[hard arch]

also is it ac or dc power sent

[rocky badge]

DC

[hard arch]

tbh thats a shock
thoght it would be ac with how long runs can be

[pseudo blade]

It wouldn't make a difference, that's dependent on voltage, cabling and load

Well it'd make some difference because you wouldn't be able to continuously draw the same load

It's usually 48 volt DC, though the spec's been built on over time and some vendors do not use that spec and operate on 24V (ubiquiti+mikrotik's cheaper devices come to mind). Detection is done by watching for current draw and can be implemented most basically by putting an appropriate resistance between the pairs

[pseudo blade]

Which is what this depicts

[pseudo blade]

Put simply for safety and ground loop reasons all ethernet ports+pairs should be isolated from the host device so the pairs running at different voltages does not impact the device receiving power unless it has additional circuitry to receive it.

Which is why you can just have the pairs be at different voltages and it usually turns out OK even when PoE is forced on and not expected

[peak cloak]

Ac or DC doesn't matter for power transmission

In fact DC is technically more efficient

Just with ac, it is much easier to step voltages up and down

[bronze swift]

Guys I’m pretty sure that my SD card failed because my amcrest camera doesn’t show playback footage anymore, but it says something like 10GB out of 57GB free.
I’m thinking of buying a NVR, but would a NVR and NVR with a poe switch have the network speeds from viewing live footage and playback footage? I already have a poe switch.

[clear igloo]

Amcrest camers (iirc) only have 100meg ports anyway

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo

moved to all .net for internal dns

[pseudo blade]

A few megabits per second per camera, depending on framerate and resolution - any more is impractical to store.

[visual tangle]

Silly question, but does that number change if all ports are in use?
(I would assume yes.)

[pseudo blade]

Anything that increases current draw's going to affect that. Cable length also, as that increases your losses.

[severe geode]

I need wifi but theres no lan ports is there any solution?

[meager ginkgo]

Are all of the LAN ports full or is there actually none

if they’re just full get a cheap $10 gigabit network switch

[severe geode]

There none

[meager ginkgo]

Have a picture?

[pseudo blade]

No LAN ports, no WiFi - it's not just an ornament is it?

[meager ginkgo]

He dm-ed me a picture of a wall electric outlet and says he doesn’t have it. 💀

[pseudo blade]

lol

[jaunty sparrow]

Go another there ?

Yo anyone there *

Well i have a prob
I want to change my current IP
To another ip

And that other ip is a specific ip that i want to change my current IP to

Does anyone know how to do that?

its the IP of the computer inside the uni

That i want to change

To another specific ip

Thx

[peak cloak]

IP also has to be in the same subnet

[thick minnow]

Can I use an old wireless router as both a switch and wireless access point?

Probably. Access points usually have a few ethernet wired ports that they put on the same LAN as the wireless clients. If it's in "AP mode", and not in "NAT/Router mode" with DHCP turned on, you should be good

Kk. I'll give it a try.

Well I can get it to work as a switch no improvement on Wi-Fi signal. Not too worried on the Wi-Fi side but I do find it amusing that a $200 router is basically being used as a $25 unmanaged switch

An AP is not simply a switch. It's providing wifi server, unless you are only using it for LAN port access, then I hope you are saving money, because 5 port gig switch is a lot cheaper than 200

*service

I didn't buy it specifically to be used as a switch or wireless extender. I've had it for a couple years and when we switch to fiber last week it wasn't playing well with the fiber service so I'm using one of their mesh routers for now. But that meant I had to move the five port switch from my office area to where the modem is due to the mesh router only having one ethernet port out and I'm just trying to get stuff hooked up back in my office area until I have more funds to get our own compatible equipment. Or when this router sells and I can just buy another unmanaged switch

You can always offer the same SSID from both APs (as long as both are in AP mode, not router+dhcp mode, and both would work fine

asssuming you have a separate router/dhcp server, that is

[peak cloak]

well one can be router

as long as it's the same L2 network

[thick minnow]

If one is the firewall/router, the other can work fine in ap mode

as long as the "dump AP" is a dhcp client of the router/firewall

dumb

[peak cloak]

doesn't even need to be a dhcp client

as long as it's not a server

[thick minnow]

well, the clients do

unless you aren't offering wifi on it

[peak cloak]

doesn't matter

[rocky badge]

the AP using/having dhcp doesn't matter as long as its on the same L2

[thick minnow]

if you have another ssid, both would work, but clients couldn't talk to each other well

[rocky badge]

that depends

you can have multiple SSIDs on the same L2

and if they aren't on the same L2, you can do L3 routing

[thick minnow]

if they share the same base l2 lan, meaning neither is in "router mode"

[peak cloak]

no

[thick minnow]

if they don't share the same SSID, that'll work fine

but you'll be doing double NAT

[peak cloak]

again, SSID itself doesn't matter

it's the things under it

[rocky badge]

all the SSID to the AP is just a bridge to another interface

[peak cloak]

you can have a router/AP and then another AP. As long as the AP is connected to the router's LAN, they are on the same L2 network (assuming a basic home setup)

iternally inside the router, the wifi part of it is usually connected to the internal switch

[thick minnow]

If I am on network B (from wifi AP B) and you are on network A (from AP A), I may reach you, but you won't be able to reach me

unless both are bridging the same IPv4 LAN

[peak cloak]

again that depends on the underlying network

[thick minnow]

yep, as long as both aren't in router mode

I have a standalone router/firewall, and an AP in AP mode, so all wireless clients are on the same LAN as wired clients. Works for my home

Was looking in my basement and I noticed rogers cable had grounded the coax cable to a gas line, how dangerous is this?

I'm not too worried about the Wi-Fi side that's just for a camera that's on our outside wall it connects well enough but I don't have a wired connection too my computer the TV back here I'm good

[livid aspen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgrVVyIzecM
So I've actully used some cheaper ethernet splitters on amazon that worked. But like a month after they were installed. several of them failed, and can basicly casued a loops back. It could have crashed the whole network, but we had STP proections enabeld, and which protected the network.

https://tripplite.eaton.com/2-to-1-rj45-splitter-adapter-cable-10-100-ethernet-cat5-cat5e-m-2xf-6in~N035001 These actully work, and I've never seen one fail in such a spectacular manor.

[drowsy fossil]

Shockingly, it says exactly what ltt says

[livid aspen]

It even has a diagram on it.

and a install guide.
But like you still have to set the ports to 10/100.

[drowsy fossil]

shouldnt have to but thats what they will get to

https://www.newegg.com/tp-link-ls1005g-5-x-rj45/p/0XP-001U-00557
you are however far better off spending less money and just getting one of these

[pseudo blade]

Yeah switches are dirt cheap now

[kind pivot]

Is the starlink wifi router strong enough to reach accros the road ? My neighbors may start using our connexion

Also in my new home I got RJ45 in the walls, i made sure the cables could support 10Gbps for the future, however do I have to check anything with the wall plate ?

[livid aspen]

With a large network there are ushally more advanced needs needs like security, and protection. Which usually means your locked into a family of switches. And even the cheaper switches that are compatible, are ushally still expensive. Like multiple k expensive, or more.

But like at home, yah you can probably get away with a cheap, super basic switch.

[drowsy fossil]

Fortunately unless you have specific crazy data requirements (like ptp) that's not a problem
And if you need ptp, you are already spending a grand on a dish, and another few grand for a nuclear clock, what's an extra 200 for some switches

We also fortunately avoided the timeline where people chose different standards for networking
We basically standardized on the ieee standards, so as long as you get a device that supports the ones you need, you are in the clear!

[pseudo blade]

another few grand for a nuclear clock ha!

Hardly, most just use GPS or deal with it

But yeah if you need special switches you're not generally plugging in Dodgy Bros ™️ shit like those adapters unless your organisation's policies are a joke rather than practical

[flint rune]

That’s hard to answer since it’ll depend on distance your neighbor is and size of house, etc. In general I’d say unlikely, the Wi-Fi router that comes with it is nothing too special. But you mentioned getting the Ethernet adapter I think, so you could do something like run a cable to them or get a dedicate directional antenna to point at their house.

[kind pivot]

Cable to them would need to cross the road so it's a bit complex

[peak cloak]

could use p2p wifi

[kind pivot]

So I should set up a better emitter and not the opposite ? Set up an access point with a good antenna in their house ?

[kind pivot]

What's that ?

[flint rune]

For the wall plate I’m assuming you mean the jack that is likely connected to a keystone plate. The jacks are rated which should tell you what they can handle, however it is possible they’ll be able to handle more than suggest. I’d probably only replace them as needed tbh, but if you were buying new get the right rates ones.

[kind pivot]

I mean what's the benefit

Okay, they are already installed and new

I know the reference, i can check

[flint rune]

You can buy antennas designed for this, point to point. There are some cheaper ones, but checkout ubiquity as an example.

[kind pivot]

https://www.se.com/fr/fr/product/S540476/odace-prise-rj45-anthracite-grade-3-multimédia-cat-6-stp/?range=60324-odace

grade 3 / cat 6 i guess it's fine for 10Gbps home use

[kind pivot]

I'll check that rn

Wow isn't that overkill, it's apparently made for 500m or more wtf

[pseudo blade]

It's not overkill vs not working

[kind pivot]

True

[pseudo blade]

They're relatively inexpensive and quite reliable.

[kind pivot]

Is that the best solution ? I think there is like 20m between our houses ?

[pseudo blade]

It has to cross a road

[pseudo blade]

I know a cheat but it might temporarily cut out when a car goes by or line of sight is otherwise blocked

To do it properly go from roof height

[kind pivot]

I have 2 floors and as you can see my neighbor one

But what's this cheat ?

[pseudo blade]

Well they're lower to the ground and close to the road but... https://mikrotik.com/product/wireless_wire

Paired kit of 60ghz bridges, sit them in windows facing eachother

So otherwise no real installation costs

[kind pivot]

Wait but aren't the 60Ghz bridges already self sufficient ?

[pseudo blade]

Hm?

[kind pivot]

Like if I get two of those :

https://www.amazon.fr/MikroTik-RBLHG-5HPnD-LHG-HP5/dp/B0753H9SKG/ref=sr_1_7?__mk_fr_FR=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=3MIK2BT1DZEP8&keywords=mikrotik+lhg&qid=1687875554&sprefix=mikrotik+lhg%2Caps%2C134&sr=8-7

Do i deed this "wireless wire"

[pseudo blade]

That's a kit of 2 already

Ok so that's a LHG, those are for longer range and quite excellent at it but you'd have to figure out your own mounting

Definitely overkill

[kind pivot]

But cheaper besides the mounting problem

Not sure my neighbor will pay 200eur for that haha

[pseudo blade]

They can always get their own starlink

You can get the same case as the wireless wire in 5ghz without the little stands for less money

[pseudo blade]

Here, much cheaper, 5ghz 802.11N, 10/100 ethernet and not preconfigured https://mikrotik.com/product/RBSXTsq5nD

Also you have to figure out your own mounting

It's designed for poles

Ideally you'd mount the two on J-poles outside off the tops of the roofs

Non-ideally, windows facing eachother

[kind pivot]

Is it 40eur for one or two ?

[pseudo blade]

One.

If you want cheaper than that idk what to tell you lol

Go buy trash

[kind pivot]

No no it's okay

[pseudo blade]

Oh yeah and I wouldn't be telling Starlink you're doing that

[kind pivot]

lmao

And could I run an "outdoor wifi extender" to the edge of my yard with ethernet POE, removing the need to buy two antennas ?

[pseudo blade]

Sure, if you want it to be basically unusable in the other house

[kind pivot]

Okay

[pseudo blade]

At least it's tile and not corrugated metal roofing I guess

[kind pivot]

I've never used wifi that much haha, especially for this kind of use

Always been in a small flat and mostly wired stuff .... So i really don't know the capabilities of wifi

[pseudo blade]

If the entire house is that tiny box at the front maybe it'd work

[kind pivot]

it is that tiny box lmao

[pseudo blade]

But it'd suck

I'd put this in the "not worth it" box myself

If it's not worth doing properly, just don't

[kind pivot]

Okay

[pseudo blade]

Do what you wish, I've given you enough to make your own decisions

[kind pivot]

The thing is what will we do with those p2p boxes when we have real fiber and no more need for starlink

[pseudo blade]

Resell, reuse for something else

[kind pivot]

Well, I guess sell them ...
Those 80eur kit are looking nice, but only 100mbps theoritical isn't great

[pseudo blade]

Doing it better costs more money

[kind pivot]

True

[pseudo blade]

You're not getting 100mbps off a WiFi extender in your yard from inside another house

[kind pivot]

true x)

[flint rune]

Have you tested your Starlink to make sure you are getting decent speeds worth sharing? 😅 Some locations I get great, but there are a lot of remote places I have struggled to break 15mbps.

[pseudo blade]

From what I hear it can be highly variable even in the same spot

And can degrade over time as more subscribers appear

[kind pivot]

One day when we have the fiber (1 year ? maybe more) I'll get the 10gbps internet offer for 50eur per month, then get super badass p2p wifi bridge stuff and sell my internet connection to the whole neighborhood

.... then get sued by my ISP i guess lmao

[kind pivot]

Tomorrow I get it hopefully, I should get around 100-250, I'm not in a remote place surrounded by mountain or smth

[flint rune]

Yeah something is messed up with their equipment, I find I can start out like 50mbps and edge all the way down to like 5mbps by end of a work day. Reboot it and back up to 50. Something like a memory leak or something trashing their modem. 🤷‍♂️

[kind pivot]

Also i'

m in france, not a lot of subscribers there yet

[pseudo blade]

Not holding my breath around any software Elon Musk gets to dictate to the devs of

[kind pivot]

Someone that lives around 20km from me is getting from 100 to 250 mbps

[flint rune]

Yeah I have some friends that get sold 200ish speeds, but I think they still find daily reboots helpful. Sad but not much else I can do that gets me internet to work in the middle of no where of solar power. Haha

[kind pivot]

And if it's in bridge mode do you know if the problem would be the same ?

[flint rune]

What’s the bridge mode? Is that the Ethernet adapter? I found it best to just use the Ethernet cord and cut out their router, since it has almost no control options.

[pseudo blade]

So you're not even using their router, just their terminal?

[flint rune]

Oh I think that is bridge mode 😅

[kind pivot]

ethernet adapter yes, but with a third party router right after it then setting their router to bridge mode

[pseudo blade]

That would most likely be bridge mode based on your description

[kind pivot]

yup

[flint rune]

I have the high performance panel which comes with an Ethernet cord that can be plugged into modem and you don’t need to use router / bridge mode at all.

Panel -> PSU/modem -> Ethernet

[pseudo blade]

(Actually the modem's in the terminal)

[kind pivot]

Oh it's their antenna that you reboot ?

Terminal = antenna ?

[pseudo blade]

Yes, because it's not just an antenna

[kind pivot]

True

[flint rune]

Yup, well at the same time that resets the whole PSU/modem box so it could be that is the issue. 🤷

Next time I’ll try unplugging only the antenna and see.

I will say traveling with it is always fun, pull up to a super remote place with no cell service and turning it on to have internet. Lol

I think I’m going to setup my second SSID for either a free mode or cheap charge for when I’m not using it. Like after work and I’m out exploring, leave it on and let others in the remote area use it.

Maybe just pipe their traffic through a random VPN to make sure no one does something sketch tied back to me. Haha

[kind pivot]

https://store.ui.com/us/en/collections/uisp-wireless-airmax-5-ghz-client-compact

This isn't super expensive

But I also need something that emits wifi in their house right ?

Oh I could even get this one :

https://www.amazon.fr/Ubiquiti-Networks-NanoStation-Injector-Included/dp/B07W4MT5QM/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=airMAX+NanoStation+5AC+Loco&link_code=qs&qid=1687878329&sourceid=Mozilla-search&sr=8-1

450Mbps, which is more than what starlink will provide