networking

[thick minnow]

No you don't lol a checkbox that says ddos protection does not in fact protect you lmao

It is, but it's also great for a home lab where you just want to mess with things simply.

But yeah if you want ddos "protection" it's called a cloudflare tunnel. B cause it'll hit cloudflare and let them handle the ddos.

[urban sluice]

I should really stop being bored..

[marsh pond]

Hey, so I need some help. I’m my garage is my man cave or whatever you wanna call it. Wi-Fi isn’t great out here and the wife doesn’t like an Ethernet cord running thru the entire house. Any tips? I’m willing to spend a little money but don’t wanna have to spend loads. Thanks.

[granite zodiac]

You could make explore powerline ethernet

[meager ginkgo]

Powerline like bionic said or MoCA if you have cable tv line in the Garage

[marsh pond]

Okay, I can google/YouTube those things. I don’t think I have a cable line in the garage, unfortunately

[meager ginkgo]

Do you know where the utility boxes are on the side of your house?

[marsh pond]

Yes I do

[meager ginkgo]

By the garage by chance?

[marsh pond]

Meh, not super close but could be further lol

[meager ginkgo]

should look something like that..

[marsh pond]

?

[meager ginkgo]

That looks like an AC Disconnect

[meager ginkgo]

Yeah there you go

Do you know what your internet connection type is?

and how close are those cables to your garage?

[marsh pond]

Xfinity is who I have. It’s not too far. If I had to run a cable it would have to go across my driveway though

[meager ginkgo]

Hmm. If you're willing to do that you can run a coax cable from that splitter to the garage and backfeed ethernet on the same coax cable that goes to your modem.

Don't know how different that'd be to ethernet though.

[marsh pond]

Oh, and then just have another modem/router in the garage?

[meager ginkgo]

You just use a switch if you only need wired connections (or buy a wireless access point and switch for wifi + hardwired)

do you have a picture of the other splitter that appears to be down there?

I don't think the one you took a picture of is active at the moment

[meager ginkgo]

So I think this is your incoming line from Comcast

[marsh pond]

I’m not an expert, and the previous home owner had dish, so there are a lot of random coax wires places ha

[marsh pond]

Ok cool.

So just split that?

[meager ginkgo]

it's a little bit more complicated than that haha

do you need wifi out there.. or just ethernet?

WiFi will bring up the total cost

[marsh pond]

I have a modem/router just collecting dust in my garage. But I could live with just Ethernet so I could plug that into my pc

[meager ginkgo]

Alright yeah. Let me make a more detailed comment below this one, one sec.

[marsh pond]

Okay sweet, thanks.

Rough sketch for ya. House isn’t big or anything

[meager ginkgo]

You would need:

2 of these: https://www.amazon.com/Antronix-MMC1002H-B-Splitter-Frontier-Formerly/dp/B07PRYS8YZ/ (or similar)

2 MoCA Adapters, I recommend the FCA252 off of eBay new: https://www.ebay.com/itm/175732781258

1 MoCA Filter: https://www.amazon.com/SNLP-1GCW-Filter-Eliminate-Multi-Room-Interference/dp/B07SLD9QPH/

Do you care about how clean it looks? You did mention it was a garage

[marsh pond]

Awesome!! Much appreciated

[meager ginkgo]

If you don't have a coax outlet in the garage you're gonna need to run a coax cable into there as well

[marsh pond]

The only think I care about looks wise is how it gets to the garage. Since the wife would probably care. But once it gets into the garage, all good.

[meager ginkgo]

You could always bury it and have it come up into the garage

They have direct burial cables

You'd want a Direct Burial RG6 coax cable (of how many ever ft you need) for that case 🙂

[marsh pond]

Okay yeah. I could probably do that 👍👍

[meager ginkgo]

Sweet. Let me write up a comment on how to connect everything up for ya

[marsh pond]

Awesome!

[meager ginkgo]

First you'd go to the incoming line on the outside of the house (which I think is the left cable on that coupler) and connect that left cable to the "IN" of one of the splitters. Then you'd connect the modem line and your new line to the OUTs

After that, you want to connect a short coax cable from the jack/cable your modem connects to, to the IN of the second splitter. Then hook up your modem to the one of the out connections of that splitter.

Then hook up one of the MoCA adapters to your router via ethernet (and power cable) and connect another short coax cable from the moca adapter to the other out port on the splitter you just installed.

Back in the garage now, (after you run the new coax cable to the garage) simply hook up the coax to the moca adapter and the ethernet to your PC. You may have to setup the MoCA adapters but instructions can be found online.

That's pretty much it.. it sounds complicated but it really isn't once you have the equipment in hand haha

[marsh pond]

That’s it? 😂😂. Jk. Awesome! Well this sounds like a fun project

[meager ginkgo]

If you have any questions, feel free to ask.. I know it can sound complicated 😂

[marsh pond]

You do this kind of stuff for work?? You seem to know your stuff ha

[meager ginkgo]

MoCA is pretty neat. If you have any other unused coax outlets you can buy additional adapters and convert them to ethernet also 🙂

[meager ginkgo]

Nope haha. Just have done lots of research 👀

I'm also a nerd so that helps a bit I suppose 😂

[marsh pond]

Haha awesome!

That doesn’t hurt ha

[meager ginkgo]

Your total cost should be under $200.

I'd avoid buying MoCA adapters from Amazon also. They're super overpriced there..

Oh I forgot to mention what to do with the MoCA Filter..

[marsh pond]

Cool, definitely reasonable! A Wi-Fi extender from xfinity was over $100 and who knows how much that would suck ha

[meager ginkgo]

Yeah WiFi extenders typically make things worse than make things better haha

[meager ginkgo]

All you gotta do with this is connect the incoming cable from XFINITY to this and connect it to the IN of the splitter outside

it's only a filter

Helps secure your network by preventing your network going into other people's homes

[marsh pond]

Okay solid! Definitely helpful

[marsh pond]

Well well well, looks like I do have a coax cable in the garage ha. Never even noticed ha. Only lived here for 5 years 😂

[meager ginkgo]

I don’t think it’s as big as a issue with modern adapters but I’d still recommend a filter

Otherwise it can potentially go back on the DOCSIS network

[long scarab]

So when I'm making Ethernet cables does it matter what end piece I put on, like does it matter what category plug?

They all have 8 pins

[thick minnow]

The plastic and metal ends aren’t rated, only the cables. The higher the rating, though, the less variation in test results will be acceptable. I stopped making my own cables after cat5. Much easier these days to purchase inexpensive premade cat 6 cables of various lengths, and just use the right one.

The testing devices can be more expensive, unless work pays for it.

[long scarab]

I made a cable tester with an Arduino, a breadboard, and a handful of LEDs, but it's not too professional. Basically just a continuity tester.

[peak cloak]

https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/13rm1fw/what_its_like_to_be_a_network_engineer_by_ron/

[peak cloak]

kinda?

some category have thicker wires and won't fit

plus if it's a shielded cable you need a shielded connector for it to be considered a shielded cable

[long scarab]

I just have some basic Cat6e

[thick minnow]

cat7A

[winter sparrow]

Hey guys, I moved into a new house with fiber internet and cat5e wired to most rooms. Looks like: Fiber>ONT>Switch>Cat5e (in walls)>wall jacks.

On moving in I set up my PC in the office, ethernet to the wall jack. I also set up my wireless router with ethernet to the jack in its room. And for a month, this worked great.

Then last week I tried adding another router (rookie mistake?) in yet another room exclusively for a Ring camera. This did not work and also kicked my office PC (any anything not going through the router) to fail to get an IP address. I've tried power cycling every device involved (at the same time even). Any ideas how I can go back to how it was? From what I can tell in researching this problem, my original setup shouldn't have been possible I guess?

[carmine moss]

so you should have your router before the switch .and put the new router in acces point mode for just having wifi. as i guess that's why you need it

[winter sparrow]

It's not really feasible to put the router before the switch in this case, since the fiber enters the house in the basement and that's where the switch is as well. I'm less worried about the 2nd router for now since I really just want internet back to my office PC. Is there a way to configure things to work this way? Or perhaps put some kind of wired router between the ONT and switch, then leave everything downstream as is?

[carmine moss]

so the thing you only want 1 router in a house. and for wifi you use acces points. you can configure the second router into ap mode and that might work to fix it

but you really should have your router before the switch in any case. and then access points after it for wifi or routers in access point mode

[winter sparrow]

Okay, thank you!

[peak cloak]

Basically the router needs to terminate your internet connection kind of, since you only get one ipv4 address

You can't have 2 without having 2 public IPs

[winter sparrow]

Just makes me wonder how it was all working before? My router has some settings for IPv6 but I'm not learned enough to know how that functions.

[cedar cloak]

can any of y'all good folk verify everything is OK with my xfinity signals since i recently moved my XB8 modem into my office, the drop is on a wall in the living room, theres also another coax outlet that runs literally to my office outside (so i connected the drop coax outlet to the other outlet in the living room with a cable, and connected the modem in the office) and wanted to make sure my signals are OK given temps too ive seen it go to -9.8~ https://i.imgur.com/TD4xG1L.png

[peak cloak]

if you only had one router connected to the switch it would work just fine

if you mean in another house, then the Modem/ONT may have been a combo unit with a router built in

[pseudo blade]

https://liliputing.com/n1-pro-is-a-compact-pc-or-server-with-ryzen-5-5500u-and-four-storage-devices/

[long scarab]

I seen the embed image and first thing that came to mind was some futuristic ink cartridge

[pseudo blade]

Just looks a bit like a common home router but it has nvme storage, 3.5" HDD support and a few other goodies

Built-in wireless wouldn't make for a great router by itself but it's otherwise pretty cool

[rose gazelle]

Hi, dumb question: does my internet speed affect data transfer rates to NAS? I.e. if my internet is 75 Mbps, is that the limit of the transfer rate?

[mortal epoch]

Depends.
If your using outside of your network the most you can do is 75Mbps.
Local it will use what ever is free in your network.

[rose gazelle]

Ah thanks! I am planning to do local transfers (for the most part)

[mortal epoch]

Lets say:
So I have got 1gbps in my local network
100mbps down and 30 up (Internet speeds)

From one PC to the NAS or Phone or local device in the same WIFI or ETH it can do up to 1gbps

From outside of your network the max it will do is: 100 upload from the remote side and 30 download from the remote side.

(it will very from device to device and what there max speeds are and so on as well just to let you know)
If I have a 1gbps local network but my NAS is on a local network for 100mbps it will only do the 100mbps

[rose gazelle]

So if I have a gigabit capable router and cat 6a cables installed, I'll be able to get the full gigabit speed at home assuming the hard drives in the NAS can match it, correct?

[mortal epoch]

Yes it will very on the hardware and software settings, I would say network settings and so on.

[rose gazelle]

Got it. Thanks for the explanation!

[mortal epoch]

Like my NAS on my 1gbps pulls a max of around 500mbps local, But i would say that's because of the RAM and CPU and so on in it is very low specs.

Hello I'm wondering is anyone able to help me with pfsense?
I have got a private subnet made and allowed it to get internet as it said in a video (That has worked before on a normal nic to nic), But the issue I'm having is I'm trying to create a network from WAN -> VPN -> private subnet LAN.
I'm stuck on how to allow the internet from WG0 to LAN as there's no internet on it.

[clear igloo]

There should be an auto rule created on pfsense when you enable wireguard to allow traffic from WG to LAN

[mortal epoch]

I'm not to sure why but it's not working

[clear igloo]

This rule exists right?

[mortal epoch]

Nope

Also this is a client side pfsense

[clear igloo]

Hmmm, that should have auto populated which is needed to allow WG traffic to access anything

I remember having issues at first where I setup my tunnel as 10.0.1.1/32 and all the clients as .2, .3, .4 /32 as well and realized I needed WG to be 10.0.1.1/24 (or whatever subnet mask) but the clients stay as /32 hosts

[mortal epoch]

It connects to the WG Server

[clear igloo]

OH, I misread that, so pfSense is the WG client connecting to another WG server

[mortal epoch]

But there's no internet from the WG to LANUSB

LANUSB is my priavte IPv4 subnet

Yes it goes Ubuntu Server -> WG Server on it -> pfsense as the client -> Then LANUSB is the private subnet for my network to use so I can use ports as I'm behinad a cgnat

But I can't get WG to LANUSB

[clear igloo]

Can pfsense act as a WG client? I don't even see that option

[mortal epoch]

It can

It's set up for that

I just need the net from it to my local made network

[waxen saddle]

Has anyone heard of a router that can port forward to a device based on MAC address?

[waxen saddle]

So if the IP changes, the port forward rule automatically changes to the correct IP?

[mortal epoch]

I have not myself, You might be better off doing static IP's.
You can set up Static IP's from the router side sometimes to force that device to keep it based off of the MAC address.
or
you can set each device to a static IP on main client side.

[waxen saddle]

I’m working with another person on this server who has a 100% ISP controlled router and is trying to get the ISP to port forward. They sent everything to the ISP (including MAC) except for an LAN IP address. If I were the ISP, I’d just look up the IP associated with the MAC, set the forwarding, and the next time the computer reboots, everything breaks.

[mortal epoch]

What OS are you using?

Also did they enable the port forwarding from the ISP's side??

[waxen saddle]

They are on Windows and have no idea if the ISP has forwarded yet. I’m advanced enough that I can easily double and triple-NAT. Just wondering if some things networking-wise had changed.

[mortal epoch]

Did you:
1: Open the port in Windows
2: Open it for the IP address on your router
Is there anything else that could be blocking your network port?

[waxen saddle]

Usually Windows won’t block the port if the program is running. (It’s a minecraft server).

[mortal epoch]

Port 25565

[waxen saddle]

Right

[mortal epoch]

So did a firewall application pop up when you started the MC server?
I'm going to guess not

[waxen saddle]

No idea. Lol.

[mortal epoch]

So your best bet open up a port from with in windows it's self from the firewall

Can you access the MC server from a local PC?

Up to you but I find it easier to talk then type

[waxen saddle]

No idea. It’s another person on this server.

[mortal epoch]

Did you want to call?

[waxen saddle]

Naw. Useless to call me. I’ve been self hosting minecraft servers for like, 10 years.
The biggest problem for this person is the ISP controlled router. They have 0 access to the router. #public-chat

[mortal epoch]

0 access?

[waxen saddle]

Zero access to the router, correct.

[mortal epoch]

First test to see if from the local IP to local IP if the MC Server can be joined, If not then open it from the Firewall.
That's the first thing.

I have run Minecraft Servers for awhile as well and delt with windows.
Really lunix/ubunutu is your better option for running Minecraft Servers as windows often comes along with issues when trying to run anything imporant.

[waxen saddle]

I don’t have any say or jurisdiction over their environment.

[mortal epoch]

You would think there's a username/password with it that they can access it with.

[mortal epoch]

I highly recommend doing this first

[waxen saddle]

Not if the ISP provided the router and locks the end user out

[mortal epoch]

That's not fair

[peak cloak]

Don't port forward then, use a tunneling service

[icy oracle]

Which port must you close on a firewall to prevent users from browsing the Internet?

[dusty wyvern]

Anyone here familiar with OPNSense and Multiple WANs??

Currently have two ISPs, WAN(IP:123.123.123.123) & WAN2(156.156.156.156)

Server(192.168.1.201) is firewall ruled for the output gateway of WAN
PC(192.168.1.252) is firewall rules for the output gateway of WAN2

OPNSense updates a domain A record based on the IP of WAN

When PC tries to access droptips.domain.com that's hosted on WAN, it gets a connection timed out.
PC is also unable to ping the public WAN address, connection timeouts. 100% packet loss.

How can i get the clients on WAN2 to connect to WAN?

Please ping if screenshots are needed for anything, also please @ me in replies. Cross Posted in multiple discords

[pseudo blade]

Without your config frankly who knows what's up, but is your goal for the two networks to not be able to talk to eachother directly? Basically have your router act as two routers?

If not just set up split horizon DNS for droptips.domain.com and target the server's local IP.

[thick minnow]

https://docs.opnsense.org/manual/how-tos/multiwan.html

[thick minnow]

and yeah this is it. generally multiwan runs as failover not round robin.

it isnt a bond

[golden solstice]

The idea of adding any HDD and writing to it is good tho, but TBH if you have huge HDDs you might never endup using the other ones except if parity is configured, personally I just use ZFS, recently I've created a pool natively on 6.12 RC6 and is working surprisingly fine

[stoic lichen]

Hi guys, I am looking for home router/AP that provides Wifi6E, 2.5Gbit Lan with at least 2 non-WAN ports of this speed and ideally all ports being PoE. Is that something that actually exists, or do I want too much? Also since LTT doesn't do reveiws and comparisons of recent routers, do you have any outlet where I could go for rewievs for these? All tips appreciated.

[pseudo blade]

Yeah that's a tall ask in one box, is your existing modem 2.5gbps?

[stoic lichen]

Yeah, I was assured by my new ISP that the modem they will provide will have that. Although I would like to have 2.5gbps 2x for local network as well, that's why I stated that

[pseudo blade]

Have a look at the Asus GT AXE16000. And come back when that's too expensive and we'll talk compromises :P

[stoic lichen]

So far I wasn't able to find any router with PoE mostly

[pseudo blade]

You might have to stick your own injectors on whatever you pick

[stoic lichen]

Expensive yes, but more importantly ugly 😄

Hmm, own injectors? I didn't realize that's a thing, I should look that up!

[pseudo blade]

Of course you can get PoE injectors that aren't part of a router or switch

I've got 7 in a box right next to me

[stoic lichen]

I'm not much of network HW expert sadly, so I had no clue. The issue I see with these is ... they take up extra space 😄

[pseudo blade]

Ok, so you want... "Not ugly", PoE, 3x 2.5 gigabit, WiFi 6E, compact and presumably less than $1000...

Well I'm afraid you're shit out of luck :P

Pick something to compromise on and come back later

I can do pretty much all any combination if you remove two asks

[stoic lichen]

I guess I will have to skip on the PoE part for sure, since I can't see any options that have it

And that would mean I can live with 1 high speed port because it would require another box anyways

And I'm guessing that pure switches with PoE are much easier to come by

[pseudo blade]

Of course, though 2.5gbe + PoE doesn't come cheap yet

[stoic lichen]

Yeah, I see that. I'm currently looking at TP-Link TL-SG3210XHP-M2, looks alright. Annoying that it's rack type, but I could make that work with a bit of extra cabling to different room

There are probably better options, this is what I found at quick glance

NETGEAR MS108EUP or Ubiquiti USW-Enterprise-8-PoE look like solid options as well

[pseudo blade]

Ubiquiti USW-Enterprise-8-PoE Definitely a popular pick - pretty rare on this side of the pond and they get scalped a bit

[stoic lichen]

Which side of pond would that be? I'm EU based.

[pseudo blade]

I'm from Australia and they're retailling for 50% over RRP after currency conversion

[stoic lichen]

I see it going for around 540 USD in my country

I didn't check what is the RRP

[pseudo blade]

About $100 less but if you're including taxes that probably adds up

[stoic lichen]

Yeah, that's with taxes

[pseudo blade]

This looks kinda neat though it'd be dumb for home use https://eu.store.ui.com/eu/en/collections/unifi-dream-wall/products/udw

All-in-one for an office/rich person's toy

[stoic lichen]

Damn

Okay I like that, but that is very overkill for what I need 😄

[stoic lichen]

@pseudo bladeSo assuming I skip the PoE requirements with at least one 2.5gbps port for the switch, would you have any suggestions for that?

Or some place I can go for reviews?

[pseudo blade]

You could do this + an AP https://mikrotik.com/product/rb5009upr_s_in

You could just get an old-ish (6th gen plus) MicroATX PC and put in a dual 2.5gbe NIC and three WiFi cards for 2.4 and 5 and 6ghz

[stoic lichen]

ehhhh

I'm thinking more about that Netgear switch with some normal Router/AP, because that will have way smaller footprint and probably also power consumption

[pseudo blade]

The problem with most consumer and prosumer routers is they give you one 2.5gbe port

[drowsy fossil]

There are devices like the Lenovo tiniest that are smaller than 1u and you can throw a quad port nic on them

[stoic lichen]

yeah that would be okay since I would have to use a switch along it anyway for the PoE stuff

[stoic lichen]

As long as it has the WAN 2.5gb as well

[pseudo blade]

You'd put it in

Something like this https://www.amazon.com.au/Gigabit-Ethernet-Express-Network-Controller/dp/B07XJ8CMQX

[stoic lichen]

I do have one of those .. P360? lenovo PCs at home, it's still bigger than typical home router and I'm pretty sure that it doesn't have space inside for any expansion. And the total cost would still go higher than what I linked above I'm pretty sure

While it all sounds like a fun project and all, I'm looking for something that is already premade, because this would end up as a big mess

[pseudo blade]

Sorry, it's just not a thing yet

[stoic lichen]

Even just 6E with two 2.5gbps lans?

Because that is what it basically boiled down to

The Dream wall you showed me would be perfect if it was half the size/ports etc

[pseudo blade]

Yeah nothing like that's available from Ubiquti, Mikrotik or consumer products yet, and enterprise is 10-gig and not really focused on cramming everything into one box/cheapness

[stoic lichen]

I am surprised

I guess gigabit LAN would be the way to go for now then with upgrading down the road, although that's a tad disappointing 😄

[pseudo blade]

Here's everything but WiFi 6e (And uh... a case and antennas) https://wiki.banana-pi.org/Banana_Pi_BPI-R3

[fallow wing]

does anyone know of a good 2.5G RJ45/USB-C adapter they could recommend me ?
preferrably in EU/FR so I don't have to pay insane shipping and import fees

[drowsy fossil]

Framework adapter lol

[fallow wing]

bruh I wished but it'd cover my miniDP port on my laptop
plus the cable would weight on it and hinge on the USB C connector

though I found two good ones
which one do you reckon I should pick ?
https://amzn.eu/d/fmTrlqu
https://amzn.eu/d/2FIgoQd

[drowsy fossil]

Personally prefer to go name brand but I haven't used either

[fallow wing]

Anker and Belkin are both name brands though

[drowsy fossil]

Nah only Belkin now

Anker is dead to us

[fallow wing]

I've got a guy saying the exact opposite
belkin is trash, I'd trust anker more he says

on another server that is

[pseudo blade]

It'd be in relation to the eufy thing semi-recently

[drowsy fossil]

Not only did they not fix this problem for a very long time, they lied about it even when they knew it was a problem

[pseudo blade]

Though that wouldn't be much of a concern for a USB to ethernet adapter

[drowsy fossil]

Well it shouldn't be a concern for a local NVR system either...

[carmine moss]

check for one that says what nic it uses or just get a cheap one that seems decent

[stoic lichen]

Agree, quite unrelated products, I wouldn't worry too much about that

Also having a problem like this doesn't mean it's not a name brand 😄

[carmine moss]

look at startech or ugreen and thhe normal networking brands

[fallow wing]

For some reason I've been unable to find a StarTech one
At least on Amazon FR
And UGreen's were all 1G only

Though they have 3 different models listed for some reason

[carmine moss]

this is a startech 2.5gb one https://www.amazon.fr/Adaptateur-USB-vers-Ethernet-Gigabit/dp/B07Z177Y2D/

[thick minnow]

who is a hacker here or an expert on hacking other ppl? i need help

is this link sus?

[fallow wing]

and it is 60% pricier than the other two

[feral agate]

i have been haveing problems with my internet so when i first tested it it got like 100 up and 300 down but now i am geting like 20 up and 100 down and i am not sure what to do

[oak inlet]

call your ISP?

[feral agate]

i dont think it them bc we just upgraded like 1 week ago

[oak inlet]

you'd be surprised

[feral agate]

idk

nothing with my ping it more of downloading stuff

[oak inlet]

I mean, it doesn't hurt to contact them. short of restarting your router and modem (if you have one) you'll need their assistance anyway

[sage crow]

And if you have a isp provided router….

Throw that shit in the trash

[peak cloak]

some are alright

depends on ISP

[dusty wyvern]

Would you like any screenshots?

[thorny osprey]

Can i not connect a 2nd router to my primary router through ethernet?
If so why does it keep "connecting" ???

[peak cloak]

1. You don't really want to do this since then you get double-NAT and 2 seperate L2 networks. I assume you want to extend wifi range, which in that case you want an Access Point. You may be able to turn your router into one
2. It's because it's expecting a PPPoE connection, which your primary router does not provide. You would need to set this to DHCP

[thorny osprey]

no just another router
the two router is extremely near me lol

what would happen if i get double nat and 2 seperate L2 network

[peak cloak]

port forwarding is annoying, and stuff like cast to TV, and other services similar to that won't work across the 2 networks

[thorny osprey]

it shows connected

but no internet connection from the 2nd router

what but it has bytes transfer
So why is it saying No internet in the system tray wifi??

wait nvm there is internet if i disconnect the ethernet connected to my primary router

speed is shit (30 down and 40 up) whereas primary is 90 down 90 up

how to fix this bad internet

for 2nd router

why does it show 866 mbps link speed

the speed is as same as ethernet on primary router

90 and 90

why is link speed 866 wtf

[uncut hound]

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say the 866 is just between ur device and the router itself?

Oof sorry for the ping

[peak cloak]

that's link speed, max speed over your link, but not to internet

and for wifi it's theoredical

[thorny osprey]

can i get over 100 mbps internet speed if i get a gigabit router?

i mean if i directly connect my pc to the ONU modem i get over 500 mbps but thats not secure and only one device can connect to it

[peak cloak]

depends on your ISP connection

[peak cloak]

yes

if your ISP connection is > 100mbps

and the router can route at >100mbps

[thorny osprey]

i have a 60 mbps pack but i get 90 up and 90 down
also my router's ethernet ports are limited to 100 mbps

[pale ridge]

bit of a nuanced answer but it depends on the chipset in the device along with the ethernet adaptor used. There are also other factors which come into play (are you applying Shaping outbound on an asymetic link?)

[dusty wyvern]

I can ping from WAN to WAN2. I just can't do WAN2 to WAN

[pale ridge]

what does that even mean? You have 2 SFP ports make 1 copper and 1 fibre probably multimode. Never heard of a 2.5G fibre model them come in 1G/10G/25G/40G/100G blah

TBH i am not certain why you would not just use copper unless there is some specific requirement for fibre (Distance, capacity?)

[pale ridge]

SFP is just a socket

you can patch any compatable optic in it

[pseudo blade]

2.5 gigabit SFP's a thing now, mostly for more consumer-ish products

FS only stocks ethernet ones but I can find at least one other place offering singlemode transceivers at that speed

[pale ridge]

TIL

SMF over short distance is going to need attenuation

you plug 2 SMF SPF into each other over a short distance and you are going to burn them out right fast

[rain patrol]

Is it possible to configure docker to use my local dns server which is on the same IP?

[hollow marlin]

Most vendors can handle back-to-back Rx levels up to 20km and many up to 40km. The risk of burning them out is slim

[manic gorge]

I bought a X520-DA1 10G nic for my PC but I cannot get it to work on windows 11. Any ideas? I've tried several different drivers.

[pseudo blade]

Depends on the ratings of the optics, and if it's a really short distance you'd use ethernet anyways. Found multimode ones too anyways.

[fleet horizon]

Hi guys is pulseway only available for businessess or can i use it for free for personal use?

[peak cloak]

not free

[meager ginkgo]

@marsh pond hey, wanted to see if you got MoCA working 🙂

[marsh pond]

Hey, I am getting the last part for my PC build this week and I am hoping to have all that done, then I’m gonna try and get on the MoCA project ha. But thanks for checking in!!

[meager ginkgo]

Cool, just wanted to make sure you were good! 👍

[marsh pond]

I’ll most likely have some follow up questions haha

[meager ginkgo]

All good, feel free to ask here / ping anytime 🙂

[gloomy cobalt]

hello guys

is there anyone know well about networking ?

[vestal lodge]

You could always just ask your question.

[gloomy cobalt]

sorry

do you have any cisco certification?

[vestal lodge]

I personally don't, but again, just ask your question, someone knowledgeable will answer

[pseudo blade]

I know well about networking but I'm not sending you my bloody resume so you can decide if you want to ask the question you should have led with unless you're paying

Go hire an engineer if you want only fully qualified answers from certified people.

https://dontasktoask.com

[round timber]

Can anyone tell me what the big difference between the ROG Rapture GT-AXE16000, and the ROG Rapture GT-AX11000 PRO, besides the price.

[thick minnow]

Really? Graphics card questions in the Networking chat room?

Never mind, it’s a Wi-Fi card

I wasn’t aware of any ROG networking cards. Sorry

The 16000 supports Wi-Fi 6e, the 11000 only supports Wi-Fi 6.

So, Wi-Fi 6e adds the 6 GHz band, which can speed up connections, but only for devices that also su-port Wi-Fi 6e. Those are rare. And Wi-Fi 7 is already on the horizon, so maybe you want to future proof, or wait until you have devices that need 6e or 7 to upgrade beyond the 11000

Upgrading is always a gamble. Do I bite NOW? Or wait until XXX is released and widely supported.

[waxen scroll]

I need at least $300/hr to get out of bed

@clear igloo is it ethical to use a BCS team to answer randoms quesitons and then charge for it?

[cold forge]

Salary or contract work?

[waxen scroll]

Contract

Health insurance is expensive

[cold forge]

ah, that makes sense then

for sure

[lethal charm]

Regular degular wifi router recommendation? pretty much just want the cheapest thing possible that can adequately server my 300mbps download, pass through like 2 walls and 20 feet, and works

[rustic mortar]

I don’t know if this question is meant for this channel but I disconnected during my game due to my WiFi “going out” but it didn’t as my wifi works on my phone and other computer yet my pc doesn’t sense any WiFi or my Ethernet (i have a WiFi adapter too) any fixes?

[pseudo blade]

Don't use LR optics for home use because short range is bad for them due to the transmit power and you'd want an attenuator to use them, singlemode and multimode use different sizes of fiber optic core too.

[long scarab]

I've done my research on T568 wiring, and I'm getting mixed signals
I'm not sure if I should use T568A or T568B

[broken depot]

why does it say that my download speed is 100 mbs but if I lets say download something from steam it only downloads at 10 mbs

[alpine geyser]

It could be a number of reasons. The load on the download server. If in the US, throttling?
Are you on WiFi ? Is it a crappy router?

Did you install the chipset drivers?

Somebody hogging the internet?

Do you live in an apartment complex with improper wiring, like one line per building?

Router settings?

[broken depot]

well now it is more complex since internet is shared

but it was same when I was living alone with just my using internet

I also noticed a trend, download speed I can see on internet is always 10 times more than actual download speed

right now I am using some bad wifi and it says 10 mbps on speed tests but actual max download speed seems to be 1 mbps

before I had 100 mbps on sites and it was downloading at 10 mbps

so does download speed just represent 10 times size of actual download speed?

because this has been same trought few internet providers and locations

it is same trend

[alpine geyser]

That is weird

[broken depot]

it doesnt hapeen for you?

files and things download same speed as you see download speed on okla?

[alpine geyser]

Yeah. But my internet is crappy anyways. I only recently started getting advertised speed when Comcast gave me a ‘free’ upgrade

[pseudo blade]

I'm almost certain you're mixing up your bits and bytes, and your steam downloads are running at about 10 megabytes/second

Download speeds are measured in bits/second, which are 1/8th of a byte.

Steam displays in bytes/second by default

[broken depot]

thats must be the case

but why even use bits

all files are in bytes bits are irrelavent

[pseudo blade]

Network interfaces have been defined in bits since the beginning.

[broken depot]

yes but I mean

all these internet speed tests

it is for basic users

[pseudo blade]

No?

[broken depot]

most will just download stuff and thats the only reason they want to know it

unless you actually do something with networks then bits arent needed

[pseudo blade]

Perhaps so. But the fact users don't care about gigabytes doesn't mean we're going to start defining throughput in Netflix seasons/hour

It's the standard. You can trivially convert it to be defined however you prefer to understand.

[clear igloo]

Data is transmitted in bits (1 or 0)
Data is stored in bytes

[pseudo blade]

Well it's also stored in bits and addressed in sectors made of bytes made of bits :P

[clear igloo]

True, logically the smallest unit of addressable storage is a byte but it's stored in bits

would have been a better way to put it originally 😛

[clear igloo]

but how many libraries of congress per millibar can I store per fortnite?

[pseudo blade]

I don't know, I don't perform well under pressure...

How many kilosmartphones do I need to store 50 petafortnites?

[slow pivot]

And /technically/ data is transmitted via symbols, not bits.

[peak cloak]

doesn't really matter as long you use the same

I just use B

[pseudo blade]

Basically everything's serial so the symbols are bits

I'm baud of this

[pseudo blade]

Just not LR optics unless you live in a house the size of most towns

In which case I am happy to provide consultant advice at good rates, Mr. Ellison.

If it's less than 100 meters I'd just use copper honestly

So we're talking like 2 meters then

Get a DAC cable

It's the typical approach for doing that and I haven't heard of them getting particularly hot unlike the base-t ones

No problems.

[fading trail]

I made a support ticket if anyone has a moment to check it out

[hollow marlin]

10/20km LR optics are fine 99.999% of the time at short ranges. Well within their Rx thresholds

[clear igloo]

Yup, speaking from experience 🙂

[pseudo blade]

I've heard they're quite tolerant, but you'd still be mad to use one where you could instead use DAC

[visual tangle]

Did @gloomy cobalt ever ask their question?

[thick minnow]

that whole discussion was just silly

[visual tangle]

It was.
Still interested in what the question was that they thought their approach to asking was a good one.

[vapid fog]

In my house I have no in-wall ethernet but I've been wanting to get off wifi for a while. My house is about 20 years old and does have 4 pin telephone lines. After watching the new video I was wondering if I could use those anyway for a slower connection. It would probably be better than the wifi from the other side of the house.

[visual tangle]

Based on the video, probably yes.

But, the caveat being, you would need to make sure you confirm that the ports are wired as needed.

Oh, wait, do you mean 4-pin telephone lines with normal telephone connectors?
Because if yes, you're also going to need to splice a cable from that to RJ45.

Which... is a pain in the ass.
So, my question would be, are the telephone wires stapled? How are they run?
You might be able to use them as a basis for pulling new wires.

[sharp sparrow]

Way better to run cat6 alongside those telephone runs instead of trying to use them as poor-man's ethernet.

[visual tangle]

Pretty much.
I was thinking about the rewiring the end points if lazy route.
My house being a 201 7 has this low grade (cheapest I've ever seen in terms of quality) CAT5e wired to the phone jacks which are all RJ45 jacks for VoIP phones.

So, theoretically, if @vapid fog stuff has similar then they might be able to cheat for some things without it necessarily being a terrible hassle.

(What I'm getting at here should not at all be taken as best practice. This is me spit balling off the beaten path.)

[sharp sparrow]

If the pairs aren't twisted, if the overall cable has no shielding, etc, then it could be quite problematic. Assuming they didn't just use cat5e/cat6 in the first place.

[visual tangle]

Yeah, if this is 4-pin telephone outlets, I believe those are analog and are not a twisted pair.
I made a wrongful jump here assuming the house is wired same as mine.
Old copper 4-pin just goes to a single copper phone cable that provided power and the communication.

[sharp sparrow]

mmhmm. Typical phone line cable intended for use with rj11 ain't gonna cut it

[vapid fog]

After taking apart the cover it does seem that the cables, at the very least, are not twisted. Although interestingly, there are 4 cables coming out of the casing, and not going to the connector but that are folded back on themselves.

[visual tangle]

Well, yeah, our house is RJ11 pinout using some dirt cheap CAT5e as the wire.
Not to mention, the way they're connected is a mess too, I'd have to split the wires and re-end them.
(We just recently bought the place and had the electrician run CAT6a to our office, workout room, all our access points, and our utility room for future expansion.)

[visual tangle]

Have a picture?

I don't currently have one of the collection point on my phone, but here's what the back of one of our phone jacks looks like:

[vapid fog]

Apologies for all the gross cobwebs

BTW my house also has those TV cables with the round connectors. I kind figured they weren't good for much.

[visual tangle]

Well, actually, you could possibly do MOCA over the copper coax for the TVs, but I think there's something about isolating from outside due to security, not 100% sure on this.

But yeah, interesting, it looks like you have RJ11 jack, but your pinout method is very different to mine and that cable is not at all twisted.

[thorny osprey]

what?

[visual tangle]

Looks like you're into ephemeral ports.
Not sure if something will play nice with that.

[thorny osprey]

what is ephemeral ports?

idk just trying to port forward roblox's port

[vapid fog]

Thanks for all the help @visual tangle, it sounds like I might have to do some more research. I'm on a high school robotics team with some great mentors so I'll talk to them too.

[visual tangle]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephemeral_port
In my experience it is a range of ports that various OSes use for internal communication and temporary connections.

[thorny osprey]

ok not reading allat

[visual tangle]

I think for Windows and AIX it's in the 5x,xxx range where it starts.

[thorny osprey]

wdym im too dumb

[visual tangle]

It's been a while since I've had to deal with an issue with it on other unix systems, so I don't remember if Ubuntu or RHEL has them.

Think of it as a range of ports that are reserved and out of bounds for most external routing to take place on.

Your number, 6x,xxx too big.

[thorny osprey]

websites say roblox desktop port is 49152-65535

[visual tangle]

Not endorsing the site, have not read through it, but looks promising as a place for you to start the over coax research, if you're so inclined:
https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/networking/nexuslink-g-hn-wave-2-kit-review/

[thorny osprey]

guys best routers under 50$?
Dm me their names i gtg rn lol

[visual tangle]

What site?
That is a range of ports, not a single port.

[pseudo blade]

You don't need to port-forward Roblox.

You just need to not block outbound traffic on that port range.

[uneven moon]

Happy fibre optic friday

Mice had a feast

[long scarab]

rip

[livid tartan]

Is there a way a can access my computer on a cellphone network?

[pseudo blade]

Yes - set up a VPN tunnel from your computer to a router with a public IP and port-forward, for just a few people services like tailscale/LogMeIn Hamachi though it sucks now

[livid tartan]

But to connect I have to also use the VPN and not only the server. I need it to be easy from the user side. :/

I'll try and see how that works. I haven't try hamachi in a while.

[pseudo blade]

You can make it so only the server needs to use the VPN - port-forward your services from the VPN server's public IP to your server's IP in the tunnel.

[fallow wing]

Note : I put down pfSense because it's the only one I've looked into yet, idk if that's what I'll end up using, I also found out about OPNsense so idk, it's not a stopped choice just yet, I've got plenty of time

and yes, the switch is managed, I just don't know what I plan to do with that capability just yet either

[tepid abyss]

Does anyone know if I can limit a network to one specific application?
I usually stream via my phones network but other games like to "hijack" it and if its a competitve game I start to lag due to my stream

[fallow wing]

I don't think so because first of all phone networks will depend on current traffic anyway and you'd have to do deep in the core of your phone's OS which is just messy unless you know your way around whatever phone's PS you have
If it's an apple don't even think about it

[tepid abyss]

Well I have 2 network connections on my pc, one is my cable the other my phone. There is no way to limit "Network 3" for example to just one application?

[fallow wing]

Oh, on your PC you mean

Uhhhhh no idea, I've never tried to dabble in that before

[fallow wing]

Sorry I got nothing on that

[tepid abyss]

Does anyone else know?

[shy wagon]

Is there a trick to setting nginx proxy manager up to forward traffic to containers on the same host?

I get 502 errors after setting up services

[fading trail]

So I got a quick question, am I buying eithernet net cord for our router is there a specific type I need? The only kind I see is cat6

[meager ginkgo]

CAT6 is perfectly fine

[fading trail]

Appreciate it

[round timber]

Well what do you think?

[thick minnow]

I already have a WiFi6 router that works fine. Our phones support WiFi 6e, but not any of our computers. I’m not planning to upgrade WIfi until a need for better speeds becomes necessary. So I choose to wait until 7 comes out, gets widely supported, and all the early adopters have worked through the teething pains, and all the reviewers can tell us why upgrading might improve anything.

[tribal raven]

I'm going to need a new wireless router, I don't have anything that is wifi6 yet, is there a consensus on the "best" coverage routers?

[tribal raven]

yeah 2 floors, wood/drywall/plaster

[tribal raven]

yes, but can't do moca

also i'd have to fish wires out from walls, prev owners had snipped all the coax cables

I'm going with https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09DRJKZW9/, seems to be the current favorite that doesn't break the bank

[rocky badge]

@meager ginkgo @peak cloak So much networked audio

[meager ginkgo]

damn

[rocky badge]

Over a gigabit of audio

All within 100-300usec

[shrewd oak]

I got a tesltra smart modem gen 2 and everytime we turn it one after trying to fix it with something the led shows its trying to connect to internet but can't and I've tried a bunch of things but I'm not waiting another week for a technician to come so can someone please help me I'm sick of live TV (I'm in Australia BTW)

Ping me if reply

[visual tangle]

If you call your ISP will they do any remote diagnosis to see if they can reach your modem?

[pseudo blade]

I actually have a Smart Modem Gen 2 on my desk, but that's way too vague for me to offer any sort of real help

Fixed with something?
The LEDs say it can't connect to the internet?

[pseudo blade]

Which of the five main types of NBN connection is it? Or is it ADSL in a legacy area? Which of the router's 3 types of WAN are you using? What did you actually do to try to fix the modem? Are you using it with a Telstra service upstream?

I just use mine as a spare 4G modem and AP honestly

[plucky pollen]

these two seem to be the same product, right?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005180998417.html?aff_fcid=f2a383d9d7d44531802018165ab8b9c6-1686416381219-05704-_DBOIipx
https://www.amazon.com.be/-/en/KingnovyPC-Firewall-Appliance-i5-1235U-Ethernet/dp/B0BS93NFKN?language=en_GB&th=1

[thick minnow]

the amazon one is sold by the maker, and cheaper than the same specs in aliexpress

[plucky pollen]

yeah

it seems like its not shipped outside of Belgium tho

even though I'm fairly close to Belgium

nvm I found it on German amazon

sometimes its really hard to find something on amazon

[plucky pollen]

if I put a wireless card in this, could I use it to host a wifi network?

[pseudo blade]

You can, but there's a caveat - you'll only have one WiFi band at a time with one card. You could add more adapters with USB to get extra bands yeah most of those kinda suck

If most of your stuff can do 5ghz you could do that and put a 2.4ghz USB WiFi adapter in to handle what can't, for example.

[plucky pollen]

so should I connect a separate access point instead?

[pseudo blade]

I'd just spend the modem and antenna money on an AP, honestly.

Yep, I would.

[plucky pollen]

ok

and I would need a modem right

im using dsl at the moment

[pseudo blade]

You'd continue using DSL? Well yes you'll need a DSL modem.

[plucky pollen]

yeah there is no other internet connection here currently

[pseudo blade]

If your current one's acceptable just put it in bridge mode

[plucky pollen]

its a rented ISP router combo, I would prefer a non-rented one that I just own

[pseudo blade]

V/DSL Modem-router combos you can put in bridge mode are cheaper than just buying modems usually

[plucky pollen]

I see

[pseudo blade]

I hope for your sake your modem isn't literally DSL

[plucky pollen]

its vdsl 2 I think

[pseudo blade]

Yeah that's pretty common

[plucky pollen]

is there any particular one that you can recommend?

[pseudo blade]

...Not really... I like the idea of the Proscend SFP ones though they're pricy

If I wanted VDSL again I'd just use one of the ISP routers I have kicking about in bridge mode

[pseudo blade]

Probably this one actually for myself because it's lying around - no price like free

But really any will do as long as they work reliably and can do bridge mode so you can put a better router behind it.

[plucky pollen]

I found a used router that supports 300 mbps for 100€, is that a good deal?

actually its less than 90€ with a promotion apparently

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo ubiquiti redditors are something else

[pseudo blade]

I'd rather modern ubnt switches than the Catalyst 2950 and ubnt cameras over the garbage SD dome cameras somehow full of bugs used by the shop in front

I'd say a 2950 is good for propping up wobbly table legs or holding doors open but in reality it's too big and unwieldy

It's 2023, pops! We can move to gigabit now!

Accidentally made an iTunes backup to your network profile and logged in on another computer? Go have lunch

[waxen scroll]

if you have a "C-suite" you should probably not be using ubnt

[rocky badge]

@waxen scroll @meager ginkgo How do I convince my boss that we need 10 gig stacking switches

or 10 gig with 25g/40g uplinks

[waxen scroll]

With facts and logic

If the current thing works, why would they?

[rocky badge]

but our issue is that switches only have 1 uplink

if that uplink that rack loses network connection

[waxen scroll]

Why not put in an order for a second uplink and see if he hits approve

[rocky badge]

there's no where for the 2nd uplinks to go

[round timber]

ok, thanks

[distant heart]

is 6ghz useless for me if i only have 15 devices and there is next to zero interference? most WAPs are still dual band so i don't want to spend more money on 6e if it's unnecessary

[peak cloak]

with 6ghz you can get theoretically higher speeds

[distant heart]

hmm, the frequency is really close to 5.8ghz though right?

[peak cloak]

is that an issue?

[distant heart]

im thinking maybe i should wait until wifi 7 or 8, since theres a lack of options rn

[fallow wing]

Next week, some more hardware going live then it's just config all the way then

[peak cloak]

I'm still on 5, there's really no benefit to upgrade for me

everything works just fine now

[fallow wing]

Bro, wifi 7 is still in R&D rn, wifi 6 and 6E are excellent, I really don't get what you call "a lack of options" right now lmfao

[distant heart]

most waps are still dual band

[fallow wing]

I'm really tempted to answer with just skill issue
But there's mostly nothing you can do about it aside of stacking the cash necessary to buy a WAP with more bands then

[peak cloak]

what are you looking at, you need to look at prosumer/business products

like tp link omada

unifi

[distant heart]

well yeah, im trying to figure out whether its worth it

[peak cloak]

is there any issue with your setup right now?

[distant heart]

yeah those two, and also zyxel, engenius, aruba instant on

[distant heart]

its the starlink router, so no ethernet, 802.11ac, and no wall or ceiling mount

[peak cloak]

ouch, yeah get ethernet

[distant heart]

yeah hopefully i can run ethernet to my bedroom and moca to the living rooms

[fallow wing]

That's stupid, damn
I never looked at starlink hardware but I gotta say I'm disappointed

[distant heart]

it used to have ethernet but now it uses a proprietary connector and is wifi only lol

[fallow wing]

Fucking buffoons shooting themselves in the foot

[peak cloak]

that one port is probobly like 5 bucks in manufacturing costs, the io is already there...

[plucky pollen]

is it normal that wifi 6e APs are much more expensive than 6?

[meager ginkgo]

Yes

WiFi 6E APs are still pretty new and therefore reasonably expensive

[plucky pollen]

I see

then Im probably gonna go with 6 and wait until wifi 7 to upgrade

[distant heart]

yeah same

[plucky pollen]

I'm just seeing that it has these things that are for antennas I believe, how does that work and would that make it better?

[shrewd oak]

i just found out there were different types of nbn when i read that anyway i ran out f data on my phone but then we just swapped the ethernet cable and it worked so yeah

[plucky pollen]

Any cheap 1 gig switches with a single 2.5g uplink?

[pseudo blade]

How many ports?

Tbh I've seen routers with that setup but not a switch now I think of it - 10 gigabit SFP+ uplinks are common and cheap but 2.5 as an uplink not so

[plucky pollen]

Doesn't really matter, like 4 or more 1 gig ports

There's gotta be something that's cheaper than a full 2.5g switch right? I have several devices that don't need 2.5g

[vapid gale]

Hello, I kinda need either a cheap option or like something midway. I upgraded my internet to 3gb Fiber from 1gb. Now ofc I really want the full 3gb on my PC. I use to just run a long cat 6 cable across the room to an unmanaged network switch to 2 devices(pc and AP). Is there any way i can replicate this using the 3gb?

I was looking to buy this and a Cat 7. But ofc, I'm also looking to probably change my AP to a full blown router for a better output. But is there any that can handle 3gb ethernet output? Idk if I am making sense lmao

Bell is offering 3gb of speed for the price of 1 gb lol🤣

[clear igloo]

yup, 100m for 10Gb with 6a

[vapid gale]

Yes but is there any way I can split the 3gb? Most unmanaged are 1gb speed for like 20 CAD.

Also, I'm doing this because network cards are ridiculously expensive

[plucky pollen]

Or is there any way to split a 2.5g into two 1g that just go into the same switch?
I just need a way to have a 2.5g connection from a switch for 1g devices to another switch or router that's 2.5g.

[vapid gale]

Im also looking at this. What if I run a cat 6a from my main modem to this then use the ports here to get 3gb? Is that possible? I'm fried lol

Ah damn it. But basically, I'm definitely upgrading my Cat6 to Cat6a or 7. Then I go from there. Do you have any suggestions? Idk if I am explaining it right 😭😭😭

[worn viper]

Lol I am so grateful to have fiber

[clear igloo]

why, are your runs over 55m and needing to do 10g?

[vapid gale]

Basically, I just want to have all the speed 😅 greedy but we all need that.

[clear igloo]

better cable doesn't magically add speed, unless you have a run that's over 55 meters you can do 10g all day on good Cat6 cable

Cat7 has no spec that doesn't use TERA connectors, I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole

[vapid gale]

Is this enough? So now just either getting a network card or a new router with better output.

I have no clue. I'm with Bell Canada and live in Toronto. I have zero clue about networking. I just read manuals at this point🤣🤣🤣🤣

[clear igloo]

good point, if it's a cable modem then no good but if it's a fiber gateway devices (which I think it's a Bell Hub or something) then that's better since @vapid gale could just toss a couple switches off that without a need for anything else router wise

[vapid gale]

Yes. I am fiber direct. Bell Hub 4000. It's a new upgrade and 100000% sure fiber

Ah one sec let me see

[thick minnow]

There are no good “cheap” options. I chose the “TRENDnet 5-Port 10G Switch, 5 x 10G RJ-45 Ports” switched as my backbone.

[clear igloo]

looks like the Hub 4000 has 1x 10g port and 4x 1gig ports

[thick minnow]

The trend net I mentioned has 5 ports, each support 10/5/2.5/1/100/10

But it’s like $270 on Amazon

[clear igloo]

Yup, that's the hub 4000 alright, the gray port is 10g and the yellow are 1g

[vapid gale]

Omg ur right! Should I plug my cord to the 10g one then I should be good?

[clear igloo]

yes, and then a 1g switch for more 1g ports

It appears, at least from reading, the 10g port does 2.5 at least as well

Bell's site sucks for finding info so all that's based on third party reviews 😄

[vapid gale]

Ahhhh! Okay cool. I'm definitely sure my motherboard doesn't support 10gb of speed so now the decision lies on either getting a new router with 10gb capabilities as well or getting a splitter, new AP, new network card.

[clear igloo]

agreed with this

[vapid gale]

Alright! Decision made then thank you @mystic latch and @clear igloo

I'll tag when I successfully make this work🤣🤣

That's pricy omggg

This is sad HAHAHA

Okay thank you. let me see if canada have these

[thick minnow]

1 gig is cheap because we all bought into it many years ago. 10 gig won’t get cheap until we all buy in again

Thank the early adopters who made mfgrs realize they could get into the market, and competition drives prices down

[vapid gale]

I wish there's like a 2 port 10gb one. literally less hassle lmao

I will literally only use this for 2 ports. 1 for PC one for AP

[peak cloak]

not really

[tired imp]

Would I be able to access Proxmox with this setup?

PFSense would take control of both network ports, wouldnt it? 🤔

If feels like I would need a third ethernet to access Proxmox, and also for VMs on it to access the network

[hollow axle]

Define "access"

Do you mean manage the hypervisor?

[tired imp]

Yes, manage Proxmox itself

If I give both interfaces to pfsense, I would lose access 🤔

[hollow axle]

Not the MOST familiar with proxmox, professional VMware engineer though. If the LAN side has a virtual switch, it's possible

Use a virtual switch within proxmox

[tired imp]

It makes a lot of sense to have virtual interfaces inside proxmox, I will try it out inside a VM

[hollow axle]

Instead of dedicating the pfsense to lan port to pfsense, use it as an uplink from the proxmox virtual switch to the lan switch.

[tired imp]

cheers @hollow axle !

[hollow axle]

PCIE multi port nics are cheap and easy and way better than USB nics

[tired imp]

Its a laptop 😅 I want for the network to stay alive when power goes down, and also the low energy consumption is a bonus

[peak cloak]

Depends how you set it up

[tired imp]

will attempt to create some virtual networks, what is it called when they get their own IP from a DHCP, bridged?

[peak cloak]

Uh, kinda?

[obtuse dragon]

No. Bridged is an interface type and doesn't have to do with ip assignment.

You should be able to use a bridge interface as a virtual interface. Simply assign it a static IP and pass it to pfsense. Then inside pfsense enable it and add the subnet to the interface.

[tired imp]

Why would PFsense have anything to do with this setup, isnt this a proxmox responsability? Being the interface creator/manager

[rocky badge]

@peak cloak @clear igloo This is only $1000 on ebay...

Load it with optics and fiber...could use it for work

[obtuse dragon]

Depends on your pfsense setup and whether you want to restrict access to the proxmox webui. Personally I have all my network management webuis on a vlan so that's why I pass it as a separate interface to pfsense.

If you don't care about that then you should be able to just add a static IP to the pfsense lan interface inside proxmox.

[open vapor]

anyone have a good router recommendation

[open vapor]

well i want somehting to upgrade from my R7000p

i have most things on ethernet except a kids roku and phones and a laptop

ive seen ASUS has some cool gaming feature to setup PF really easy

asus rog gt-ax6000 is a little $$

looking around 200-250

ASUS ROG Strix GS-AX5400 maybe the option at 189

but im open to suggestions as well

[grizzled cloud]

Finally the R6700v2 has ddwrt support

I’ve been waiting so long to find it

[meager ginkgo]

Avoid gaming routers

they often are overpriced compared to ordinary consumer routers

[open vapor]

but do you get the same software features?

my issue as of late is with Destiny 2 and now Diablo 4 after an hour or two of gaming i get pinging server and siconnected

[grizzled cloud]

Why would you want software features

[open vapor]

no issues i see on the ISP side as i get fulll 950mbps and 50 up

[open vapor]

some have easy to use feature for port forwarding and other things that i dont have to really tinker with

[grizzled cloud]

The new spectrum WiFi 6 router has a cooling fan

XD

Depends if you have spectrum for internet

[meager ginkgo]

If you're getting disconnected that likely isn't a router issue

It's probably a ISP issue

R7000p is new enough to not have those issues lol

[open vapor]

so is it ISP packet loss?

[meager ginkgo]

Definitely a possibility

[open vapor]

my only option would be to swap to ATT FIber which means i lose my modem and router

[meager ginkgo]

What ISP do you have now?

[meager ginkgo]

AT&T lets you use your own router, I have AT&T FIber lol

[open vapor]

Optimum (suddenlink)

[meager ginkgo]

You just use IP Passthrough mode

[meager ginkgo]

Oh wow... definitely change over

[open vapor]

We use to have att and it was such a pain to do anything with passthough

this was before fiber though

[meager ginkgo]

Passthrough works flawlessly for me

There's some guides online that can show you the optimal settings to configure the gateway with

the AT&T router is also WiFi 6

so it's not actually that bad

[open vapor]

yeah i hear the BGW320 is shit for PF

[meager ginkgo]

PFsense?

[open vapor]

port forawrding devices

[meager ginkgo]

ah

I have a BGW210 but I know plenty of others with AT&T Fiber running port forwarding with no issues

[open vapor]

ok

[meager ginkgo]

I have ports open myself and it's fine

[open vapor]

we have 1gb 2gb an 5gb options

[meager ginkgo]

The Fiber reliability will triumph cable ISPs anyday

[open vapor]

the 5gb is the same price i pay now lol

[meager ginkgo]

I've never had a "real" outage ever.

Besides when someone decided to blow up the Internet Exchange in Nashville 😛

[open vapor]

no need to jump to the 5g since i dont have a router/switch to use it

[meager ginkgo]

Just get 1gbit

1gbit is plenty.. the upload is awesome

Not to mention you also get unlimited data included

[open vapor]

2gb is what i think ill do i also will get a $200 visa card

its 10$ more and ill use that for a new router

[meager ginkgo]

Yeah I wish we had 2gbit here.

I'm still on the older AT&T Fiber tech

[open vapor]

any recommendations on a router to use? or stick with the 7000p?

[meager ginkgo]

Do you want your own or do you not mind using the ISP one?

I've pulled 600mbps from the AT&T BGW320 wifi

[open vapor]

i jsut want to play my games with no issues

[meager ginkgo]

I'd say try out the AT&T router for a bit and if not get a newer WiFi 6 router

[meager ginkgo]

Nice ping for cable haha

[open vapor]

yeah so having these issues baffles me

[meager ginkgo]

I definitely would take Fiber anyday over Cable

especially if it's cheaper

[open vapor]

yeah and no contract

so i can try it out and go back if i hate it or have issues

[meager ginkgo]

Who's your mobile carrier out off curiosity

[open vapor]

att

[meager ginkgo]

AT&T gives you a discount then

if you have their wireless. I believe it's 20% or 25% off

[open vapor]

nice

[meager ginkgo]

Let me get my IP Passthrough settings pulled up

I'm using UniFi for wifi and routing personally

You want to hook up LAN from the AT&T router's 2.5gig port into WAN into your router if you decide to go that route

Then turn off the wifi networks on the AT&T

[open vapor]

ok ill try the swap

im going to see if the install guy can see about optimizing the network as it is

[meager ginkgo]

They aren't allowed to really touch the settings I don't believe

[open vapor]

its been 7 years i prob should buy new switches for the attic

[meager ginkgo]

they just get it up and running

[open vapor]

well ill see who i get sometimes you get good ones lol

[meager ginkgo]

yeah totally

My install tech refused to put an RJ45 on an ethernet cable for our wifi ap in our new house lol

also did a sloppy job so 🤷‍♂️

not the best work haha

[open vapor]

haha

i mean i have a hole in the wall from my bedroom to living room to run cables lol

4 ports on the modem/router correct?

[meager ginkgo]

5 total but 4 LAN yes

They will install a Fiber port on your wall somewhere

like this

then that fiber cable goes directly into the BGW

here's the router you will likely get

1 5 gigabit port and 3 gigabit

[open vapor]

ok nice $300 card for doing online buy

also paperless brings you down to $100 monthly thats $100 in my pocket as well from the old ISP lets hope we get good service lol

[meager ginkgo]

Ah wait. It's 25% off your wireless bill @open vapor not your fiber haha

[open vapor]

hey thats also good since thats thing is pricey atm

[meager ginkgo]

yeah definitely

[meager ginkgo]

We had Spectrum before AT&T and had outages every couple of weeks

1 outage in 5 years with AT&T

[open vapor]

yeah i just want to be able to AFK a destiny 2 farm that last longer than 2 hours lol

but i have not been able to play diablo 4 more than an hour this week because it loses connection

[open vapor]

really? thats is basic stuff for them

@meager ginkgo appreciate the help

[meager ginkgo]

No problem!

[open vapor]

might hit you up once things are going if i see any issues

[meager ginkgo]

Totally fine with that! 🙂

Hope your install goes well haha

[thick minnow]

I got problem wiht my internet for some reason

I am currently having an issue with my tp link router for some reason my internet status is "disconnected" with reason i don't even know why anybody knows how to fix it?

[meager ginkgo]

Is your ISP down?

[thick minnow]

My home router is fine but not the sim router

[meager ginkgo]

It could just be that the cell network is overloaded

[thick minnow]

on the system log it said "USER: The service status is limited."

[meager ginkgo]

Yeah sounds like it's either what I said or the system the cell network runs on is down

[thick minnow]

So I should wait?

it went down at 5 am and now its 6 am

[meager ginkgo]

Maintenance maybe?

Not many are online at that time

[thick minnow]

idk I don't got mobile data to see

[meager ginkgo]

not sure man. It sounds like it's a carrier issue to me though

[thick minnow]

carrier wdym?

[meager ginkgo]

ISP

[thick minnow]

Should I wait some time?

[meager ginkgo]

I'd say wait an hour or so and if nothing changes contact the provider

[thick minnow]

Mobile data on my phone seems to be working fine

I guess I will just wait

[errant steppe]

damn i'm really pushing the limits of this CPU by running a single empty SMB share

[pseudo blade]

We've got a dual 6-core server serving 3-4 clients DNS, AD and small documents from a ~30GB share of mostly stale data

It permanently idles, it's silly

[errant steppe]

This server will eventually see some use when I finally get my damn SAS cables from Amazon, they were supposed to arrive today

Currently all my NAS stuff is done by hand on an ubuntu server box I've had running for the last few years. It's all ZFS already, so luckily I can just export/import the pools onto the truenas box

[pseudo blade]

When they got the server it had 3+3 drives for OS and data and I put it in a RAID1 with hot spare for both

I wasn't planning on coming back to town and knew nobody else would maintain it for them

[errant steppe]

Haha that sounds right, I'm in the process of buying a NAS for the office at work but luckily I'll be around if/when it breaks

Has a 3 year parts only warranty but someone still has to turn the screwdriver

[pseudo blade]

Seemed to work well considering I did that in 2017 or whatever and it's still ticking over and fully patched

[errant steppe]

Oh wow that is impressive

[pseudo blade]

It lost a drive in the data array so it's only a regular RAID 1 for data now

[errant steppe]

I tinker with my homelab too much for anything to last that long. I think the oldest OS install I have is less than 2 years old lol

[pseudo blade]

I'm pushing them off onto sharepoint online because I convinced them to switch from their crappy email host to M365 anyways

[errant steppe]

Probably best if they don't have IT staff around

make it the cloud's problem

[meager ginkgo]

Rip.

[rose glade]

How long did it take to send that picture

[pseudo blade]

Well one would assume about an 8th of the time it'd take for them to download it.

[sage crow]

Yano by 1995 standards that’s pretty fast internet

[hoary wadi]

Hey Guys, I am looking for a network switch that can run snap.d packages. Here are my requirements. Any suggestions would be awesome.

Managed Switch

• Minium 16 Port Gig
• A couple of 10G SPF+ ports would be a bonus
• Running on Linux
• Supports Snap.D packages
• Port Isolation
• vLans & vNets
• Individual Port Speed selection 100M or 1GB

[peak cloak]

network switch that can run snap.d packages
? why do you want a switch to run packages?

[hoary wadi]

Great question. I want to run MaaS as a snap.d package on my switch.

[pseudo blade]

A switch with 100/1000 ports that'll run Snap containers lol

[plucky pollen]

Anyone here have experience with point to point wireless? I'm considering it for my parents' home, I've talked about this problem before; their appartment has an elongated shape with a 40m corridor that you somehow need to get an internet connection across and they absolutely don't want to run cables. Could a point to point solution work here, and is there any particular one you can recommend? Ideally it would go directly from the router in the living room to the other side of the apartment, this would have to go through a few walls but maybe it can work since it's only 40m? Alternatively, it would go through the corridor directly, which should mostly have line of sight apart from the occasional person walking through. With the current solution they have 100 mbps in the living room but only an unreliable 5-15 mbps at the end of the corridor, even just achieving 50 mbps there would be a major achievement.

[pseudo blade]

MaaS wants 6.5GB of RAM and 50GB of disk for prod or 2GB&20GB for test, which is more likely if you're trying to run all your stuff on your switches

The few walls are a potential problem, depending on what they're made of

You could use point to point gear but it'd be a bit silly for your situation - Mesh APs are designed for your situation.

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo @meager ginkgo I am finally getting my hands on a PoE++ switch

[clear igloo]

Nice!

[meager ginkgo]

Lol, nice

[plucky pollen]

Do you think they'd work better over that distance at the same price?

[rocky badge]

Our PTZs require PoE++

[clear igloo]

Yah, that makes sense

[rocky badge]

So it’ll be nice

Cause right now with our PoE+ switch we have an injector after it

[plucky pollen]

?

And do you have a specific recommendation for mesh?

[pseudo blade]

No, but I can tell you what to look for - 3 radios minimum - 1 dedicated for backhaul, 2 for 2.4/5 rebroadcasting

[plucky pollen]

What exactly does that mean in this context? Why do I need separate ones for 2.4 and 5?

[pseudo blade]

Well otherwise you can only have one usable band after backhaul and couldn't use one or the other or you have to share a radio between upstream and downstream.

Basically, it'd be slower/less usable

[grizzled cloud]

Need help finding the issue with my modem

Something is causing severe speed issues and I'm having issues with web requests

[plucky pollen]

tbh I am not too familiar with how mesh works and this terminology

https://youtu.be/_DidoaLMU7g

This video and an amazon review claim that even these cheap ptp bridges can go through several walls

[thick minnow]

i mean technically

you drill the ethernet through the walls in the ptp

😉

but yeah, total ballocks.

[plucky pollen]

how do you know that? Ive heard from multiple sources the statement that these don't have to be line of sight when it's over short distances. They are designed to reach kilometers with line of sight, but this is about much lower distances

[thick minnow]

i mean, if you want stable, fast internet, just no. thats not how signals work.

there are wavelengths that can go through walls

[plucky pollen]

That depends on how you define fast

[thick minnow]

i mean im from a time when 56k was marketed as blazing fast.

so YMMV.

[plucky pollen]

It's a distance of about 40m, and even just 50 mbps would be fine

[thick minnow]

ah yes, with the stability of someone with cerebral palsy on a tightrope

instead of "UNLIMITED POWER" it would be "UNLIMITED PACKET LOSS"

youd have better luck stabilitywise grabbing a satellite dish and trying to mess with relay satellites and see which one has bad security and use that(Disclaimer: this is a joke, and probably illegal in most countries, though it would be an INTERESTING experiment)

[plucky pollen]

I mean have you tried it or are you just predicting that it won't work?

[thick minnow]

i have tried it memeing with coworkers, and no it doesnt work.

[plucky pollen]

I'm gonna try if it does go through walls, but if not that's not a big deal

[thick minnow]

hardware is all going to be different

and while it may work for you, its also going to be a joke in terms of speed/stability

after a 2 second google search this is KIND of what you are looking at

https://community.ui.com/questions/Very-short-distance-indoor-multiple-walls-PTP-link/c3968453-6cba-45d8-8525-3c850420f218

and another https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=179781

basically the reason it wont work is the same reason you cant see the sun through drywall.

to put it in an extremely simplified way

[plucky pollen]

even normal 5 ghz can go through a few walls (tho not as far as needed in this context) so it seems possible to me that a directed device that doesn't just send in all directions could do it. As I said, I'm gonna try it, and if it doesn't work, I have to do it differently and use the line of sight in the corridor

[thick minnow]

ptp generally runs at 60ghz

it does NOT go through walls well.

[plucky pollen]

This seems to be 5.8 Ghz (?)

The guy in the video said something similar

Maybe the one you used was 60 ghz but they aren't all that high of a frequency

https://youtu.be/LKCYFicd2NI

There are even 900 mhz ones that he uses here

[rocky badge]

@meager ginkgo I want my ISP to gimme ipv6

[meager ginkgo]

I do too haha

[rocky badge]

They have a /28

I just want a /56 :(

They can give 256 million subscribers a /56

[plucky pollen]

https://www.amazon.de/gp/aw/d/B0BNWBJQHM#Ask

Could I use a device like this to receive a wifi signal from an AP over short distance and then from there continue to other devices over ethernet cables?

On a similar product someone said that they could only connect one device to it and not a switch with several devices so I was wondering if that's different with this one

If you're familiar with what I said previously about my problem: the idea would be to go from the router to this via wifi (short distance, good signal with 5ghz) and this thing being right next to and connected to the sending part of a point to point along a corridor, and then the receiver of the point to point would be comnect to an AP / switch

(not to scale)

[rose glade]

I’ve been seeing advertisements for Xfinity 10G internet, I’m assuming that this is in comparison to 2.4 and 5G internet. Would there be any logical improvement in switching to this? (My guess is no, based on the fact that the shorter the wavelength, the less distance it can travel, and my router is on the opposite side of my house)

Alr then

Yeah, I had figured that it was 10gb but I just wanted to make sure

[visual tangle]

https://www.xfinity.com/10g
It's apparently a marketing push on their latest backbone. Speeds are still limited to 1200 Mbps and far from full duplex.
It's a bunch of marketing BS.
Read the fine print.

More info: https://www.gottabemobile.com/xfinity-10g-network/

[cedar cobalt]

10G is not real, or necessary today for residential use.

[rose glade]

lmao its just marketing

good to know

[cedar cobalt]

The issue is more around the claims of reliability. I'd rather have a slower speed connection (say 1gig) and know it is available and stable.

I made my career in the telecom industry and I can tell you that there is a mental hamster wheel that says the number must be bigger or we will fail. It needs to stop.

[visual tangle]

I'd just be really happy with 300/300.

Reliable with solid download and upload.
Admittedly 300 is a bit overkill. But when my spouse and I are both WFH, streaming, on our work VPNs, and on Teams conferences anything slower than 75 bogs down a bit.

Now... That said, we had the office wired in CAT6a internally. I plan to be able to photo and video edit off the NAS and watch whatever movies we have stored off the NAS as well.

But that's more future proofing than sane for now.

My biggest frustration right now is the low speed uploads on cable ISPs. We backup to the cloud and I upload a number of images to a blog and the slow uploads are frustrating.

[rose glade]

I have Google Fiber, and I pay for the 1 gig but I only really get 100 or so, but its fine because it's reliable

[bold viper]

Just out of curiosity I found this
Is this harmful to the network switch

[pseudo blade]

Harmful?
No.
But it'll be rendered temporarily inoperable fairly swiftly by broadcast traffic.

Switches that aren't the cheapest and crappiest money can buy will often implement Spanning-Tree Protocol, designed to detect and disable direct and indirect loops.

[pseudo blade]

Tbh I guess it depends on your definition of harm. It'd definitely be disruptive and would annoy the heck out of users and admins

[lime osprey]

Giga WiFi

He says animetically

[fallow wing]

I'm trying to make sense of my laptop's bandwidth now being much much much more often 1G than 2.5G even though I manually set every single port from the router to my machine to 2500mbps full duplex and disabled the built-in 1GbE port and it's making me go crazy rn
Anyone got a clue at what I should look out for ?

[peak cloak]

10g is very real

[peak cloak]

Sounds like an issue on your end

Sounds suspiciously like you are using a Ethernet cable that only goes up to 100/100

[clear igloo]

Me: We need 10g at home
Mom: We have 10g at home!
10g at home: 10meg 😄

[fallow wing]

[visual tangle]

Aside from maybe a lot of torrenting, explain a use case for 10gbps to the home (that does not include professional work).

Yes, theoretically someone who edits video has an argument for 10gbps to the home... But that's a very small subset of people.

(And I mean professionally edits or animates for a living.)

[pseudo blade]

We're still going to have to agree to disagree - I don't think any fair home user will consistently saturate 1 or multi-gig pipes but it'd be nice for software/game downloads and 10 meg sucks for it.

My mother wouldn't care but any gamer or IT person will find themselves waiting around a lot.

[clear igloo]

haha, I was joking 😛
At least today there definitely isn't much use/need for gig+ pipes for probably 98% of home users

[cedar cobalt]

I didn't say it wasn't real, I said it is not a real use application for home users. Even heavy home users.

[cedar cobalt]

Evenm this subset have a larger problem. Unless they are buying a 10G CIRCUIT to the destination, the Internet will likeley not provide for 10G flows to a residential location.

[peak cloak]

I mean yeah it's not very practical, I don't even have gig

300/300 is usually good enough except for the occasional heavy download/upload

[visual tangle]

Exactly, almost nothing actually serves at a rate that will saturate that much bandwidth, unless you have something dedicated to do so.

So, then it is always a question of how many parralel things I have going on.

[visual tangle]

US ISPs are a pain in the ass.
I think I'm on 1200 Mbps down so that I can get 35 Mbps up.

And as someone who uploads 25+ MB images to a photo blog, or occasionally a YouTube video, and twice daily pushes a cloud backup (only matters on days I'm backing up music, video, or images) the upload bottleneck is a pain.
I really miss full duplex at even 200/200.

[cedar cobalt]

In some locations, the big guys are just horrible and don't really care. If you can find an alternative that is more local/regional, you might have better luck.

[visual tangle]

I literally moved 3 miles as the crow flies and out of a Starry / Comcast to a Comcast / Astound (RCN) location.
I went from 200/200 on Starry to 1200/35 on Astound.

Hopefully the municipality owned fiber project will pick up again.

I think Comcast's offering here is 1200/25 at its best.

[pseudo blade]

Multigig still isn't practical for home use, true - hardware support still sucks for consumer gear

[visual tangle]

2.5 gig is getting pretty affordable.
And a not insignificant devices will support 2.5 Gbps and 1.x Gbps on wifi at this point.
So, multigig within the home if you have a Plex server with multiple 4k endpoints or other bandwidth intense situation it can make sense in the home.

To the home it's meaningless, nothing saturates it.

[pseudo blade]

The NICs are getting affordable, the routers still suck ass

[peak cloak]

that's just cable, I'm in the US too

[rose glade]

Well the problem is that I’m not using an Ethernet cable, because for some reason my room doesn’t have any ports, and I refuse to run a cable to the other end of the house

[rose glade]

How is that even possible? Offering a 25 up seems so benign, are they just banking on people going “ooh 1.2GB that’s so cool!” and not realizing the upload speed? Or is it just an issue with their infrastructure?

[dull mirage]

The "antenna" is mikrotik sxtsq 5 ac

[peak cloak]

infastruture too, dociss is limited

[visual tangle]

They don't advertise upload. It's a pain to find it.
They also advertise at a rate of roughly 100-200 mbps download per household member.

So 1.2 Gbps down is really meant for a family of 5 or 6 with all their streaming!

[visual tangle]

Yes, but fiber and other options are a lot less ubiquitous than cable.

[drowsy fossil]

att is working hard to get their paws wherever they can

[rose glade]

Lmao and 25 up between 6 people?

That sounds horrible

[visual tangle]

In the past 13 years I've lived in the metro areas of Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia, Jacksonville, and Boston at 8 different addresses.
Only 1 of the 8 had Verizon Fios as an option.
And 1 of 8 had Starry (a few years after I moved in).

[rose glade]

Imagine multiple people trying to backup literally anything

[rose glade]

That’s pretty bad, in the last few places I’ve lived it’s all been acceptable, but nothing all that great

[visual tangle]

I've never had down issues, but only Verizon Fios and Starry were Full Duplex. And that's 4-5 out of those 13 years.

(I could go further back, but it gets worse.)

[cedar cobalt]

Really just depends on their usage. If they are browsing or just watching video, this is fine. If they are video conferencing, or uploading content... not so much. 🫠

Full-duplex Internet connectivity is just not very common for residential services.

[visual tangle]

The problem isn't that things are asymmetrical per se, it's how asymmetrical they are.

I would say for people who do some WFH you probably want around 15 Mbps up minimum (as opposed to the 5 Mbps that is common with cable).

For multiple people and/or power users around 50 Mbps up would probably be solid.

So, like, sell a 400/50 plan or whatever.

[rocky badge]

I want my ISP's 10 gig plan but its 100% useless lol

[visual tangle]

For shits and giggles, all my results since 2012.

[cedar cobalt]

Agreed. Good point.

[plucky pollen]

Cable generally has bad upload compared to the download. Here in Germany there's a 1000 down 50 up cable option

Without the asymmetry, such high speeds wouldn't be possible afaik

unless you have fibre

[cedar cobalt]

In DOCSIS systems, there is a spectrum trade-off for up and download. More spectrum given to down limits the up.

fiber delivery using PON also has some asymmetric limitations, but they are much tighter and not a real issue.

[hollow marlin]

We provide 3x10G transport for a regional SP and netflow is showing around ~3.5-4k flows and I know their base plan is 500/200mbps. Aggregate usage is just under 20gbps at peak. 1.5k average resi customers are struggling to make use of 10G with day-to-day traffic

[rocky badge]

[cedar cobalt]

Assuming this is a LAG, the maximum flow size will never reach 10G anyway. The nature of LAG prohibits a flow larger than any ONE of the member links. Actually any flow will always be marginally smaller than any one link due to overhead.

[rocky badge]

https://i.ryois.me/CNQcrZ3HsQ.png

Yeah home network isn't using much lol

10 gig would only help peak downloads even assuming

1. the remote end can give me 10g
2. my ISP's peer/connections can handle 10g

[hollow marlin]

Not a LAG, ECMP, but same concepts. Nor is any single link breaking 7gbps

@rocky badge Next wave of 100G equipment should be in shortly along side two of our IX peer's 100G circuits. Going to have some new toys to play with soon

[rocky badge]

ooh nice

@hollow marlin @clear igloo I want to upgrade home network but its not worth it

[hollow marlin]

I'm still rocking my two hAP AC2s. Only two devices are hardwired, rest on WIFI. No incentive for me to upgrade

[cold forge]

I have 2Gb/s symmetrical. It’s nice

[clear igloo]

Do it anyway!!
50G host ports all the things 😄

[rocky badge]

bruh

[sage crow]

Just send it

[dull mirage]

I am upgrading my router and i need help...
The "Antena" MikroTik SXTsq 5 ac (not sure) but it should be Isp AP
that goes to the router via Poe Cable and was previusly plugged in into ethernet port of the modem/router (Some Asus)
Now we got a new one and i am unsure what mode should be the router set to Wireless router mode, Acces point or Media Bridge

[grand stratus]

is 10gbit always over SFP, or can you do 10gig over cat6/7 ?

[clear igloo]

You can do 10G over Cat6/6a, yes

[grand stratus]

so, if i got a level3 10g switch, 10g card in my machine, 10g card in my NAS... it can work with the cat6a cables that i already have running all over my house?

[clear igloo]

If you have a 10g copper ports in the switch, yes up to 100m

You can get 10g copper SFP+ modules too but they're usually limited to 30m or more expensive ones (~$80 each) are around 80m

[grand stratus]

no run is longer than 25m, and yes, the switch is 48 port rj45 + 4 sfp+

[clear igloo]

then yes, you're good

[grand stratus]

(ex-business switch being sold for super cheap)

i was looking to go 2.5gbit, because my pc is already 2.5gbit... but.. it would cost less to get a 10g switch and 2 10g cards, than it would cost to get a single 2.5g switch

[clear igloo]

yup, that's about right

[cold forge]

I'm running all SFP+ except for 1 run that was already in place and I didn't want to redo, and servers with onboard RJ45 10GbE only

[thick minnow]

Nah, 10 gbe SPFs work fine. The cheap ones are crap, but the $90+ ones run fine here. We use 10Gbe rj45 and fiber SPFs in all our production switch’s. No issues with speed

Make sure you have a reputable supplier though. Many fakes exist, both with SFPs and cat6 cables

[clear igloo]

I'm talking about the ones from fs.com at least, they have a 30m and 80m variant

[thick minnow]

30 Mbit per second? That’s not kosher

I found this on FS.COM. $20 for a (supposedly) Cisco 10 Gbe TP SFP. It’s a good deal if it’s true, but it seems unlikely to me.

10GBASE-SR SFP+ 850nm 300m DOM Duplex LC MMF Optical Transceiver Module

[clear igloo]

They're third party optics with compatible eeprom programmed in

[thick minnow]

They go for $40-50 on Amazon, so I’d be surprised if they were real Cisco products

Amazon will charge more for popular stuff, but rarely that much more

[clear igloo]

They're not first party optics, they're compatible with all vendors gear provided you program them, you can even buy a programmer for generic versions they sell to program as needed

[thick minnow]

Reminder of the old adage “you get what you pay for”

[grand stratus]

"good things come to those who wait, but shit turns up immediately" is my favourite one 😄

[peak cloak]

Technically you can do 10gig over cat5

If it's short enough

[thick minnow]

One former employer had a guy who “forgot” to do his scheduled change off hours, tried to sneak it in at 10am. Of course it went badly, and his weak attempts to cover his tracks were obvious

I admit to being a bit of “A cowboy”, but I’m not that stupid

If he’d admitted what he’d done, instead of editing his .bash_history file, he would have been fine

But no, he thought he was smarter than everyone else. Fatal flaw. There’s always someone smarter than you

[cold forge]

my problem is finding them! And then them having time to teach me

[thick minnow]

At any large corp, you’ll never know who is better than others until they save your a** some day. Again, experience matters

I am on 30+ person troubleshooting calls every week. It’s not that hard to figure out who is thinking and who is assuming the nearest thing they don’t understand MUST be at fault

Firewalls and the Network are frequently blamed for everything

[cold forge]

well, I'm the only Systems Engineer on my team, so... nobody, sadly

[thick minnow]

The perfect job does not exist, unless maybe you’re uberrich

[pseudo helm]

Help

Please someone help me

Please

[cold forge]

@pseudo helm just state your problem instead of just saying “help”

[plucky pollen]

My ISP seems to have updated the firmware on their router, now it finally has an option to use a guest network lol

Is it a good idea to use WPA2 on my guest network (for better compatibility) instead of WPA3 which I use on my private network

apparently it still doesnt let me change the dns server tho

[visual tangle]

https://root-nation.com/en/articles-en/tech-en/en-what-is-wpa3/

It depends.

You're going to have to weigh the benefits and costs and make your own judgment about how you want to run your network.

[plucky pollen]

I know that WPA3 is more secure, but I was thinking that it shouldn't be a risk to my security if I use WPA2 instead on the guest network only, right

[visual tangle]

How often are you going to have people on the guest network?

[dull mirage]

Anyone?

[visual tangle]

Personally, my spouse and I just segregate our guest network and have a guess password for it.