networking

[thick minnow]

by "slightly larger" there only seem to exist 4 tiers - fanless mini-pcs that never go over 1g, ITX micros, atx mini-towers, and atx full towers.

[drowsy fossil]

Yes so build a small ATX tower

[thick minnow]

the only mini server I have with a fan is the Intel nuc 6

[drowsy fossil]

I think opnsense is compatible with connectx-3

[drowsy fossil]

Just build a full on pc

[thick minnow]

Thanks, but no thanks

[drowsy fossil]

Intel cpu preferably, get an sli compatible motherboard and you can throw two pciex8 nics in it

[thick minnow]

wow, talk about power hungry and hot

[drowsy fossil]

It's not power hungry if you don't work it too hard 🤔

[sharp sparrow]

https://liliputing.com/r86s-mini-pc-features-intel-jasper-lake-processor-optional-10-gbps-ethernet-ports-firewall-or-networking-appliance/ @thick minnow

https://liliputing.com/this-3-inch-computer-has-four-2-5-gbe-ports-a-celeron-n5105-processor-and-a-257-starting-price/ as well

@drowsy fossil sent pm

[drowsy fossil]

TY

[thick minnow]

R86S GW-R86S-G1 Black, 3x2.5G, 2xSFP+ ports, M.2 slot, Celeron CPU, 8GB RAM, selling on AliExpress for $313.48. I'd need a new pair of 10G GBICs. Last pair cost me another $95. Still not bad, but not today.

[sharp sparrow]

cheaper on fs.com

for the gbics

[thick minnow]

I wonder. Has LTT ever dug into the mini-pc vs NAS decision, for home services (plex, zoneminder, etc)? I don't have a NAS anymore, so rely on my 2 Linux servers (old dual-core and new 8 core) for all our home services, and a 3rd that is the firewall. I'm sure more than a few fans have wondered the same thing.

I know Linus doesn't go small school. He has cooled rooms with rack mount servers throughout his mansion. But someone at LTT must live in an apartment or normal house, and run some services on their own.

[sharp sparrow]

I mean, what do you wanna know?

I have run a fully populated 20U at home. I have run little lenovo m900tiny nodes at home. Right now I run a ryzen with 128gb ram in a node804 at home.

There are pros and cons to each approach

[thick minnow]

I watch the channels, they review desktops all the time, but only ever for gaming. They review keyboards, mice, monitors, but what about the other stuff in your house?

For example, I want to run zoneminder or shinobi to record all my home video cameras. Where to run it?

I've got it running on my 8 yr old Intel Nuc 6, because that's my playground right now.

but I don't expect that to scale well.

[peak cloak]

I mean I personally don't trust LTT with reviews of such stuff

[sharp sparrow]

I'd run it on my nas, myself.

[peak cloak]

Level 1 techs is pretty good

[sharp sparrow]

Assuming my nas is something like truenas scale

[peak cloak]

But a nas is basically a computer

With just different hardware

[sharp sparrow]

If I have a less converged configuration, I would put it on a different node in the stack

[thick minnow]

12 years ago, I had a QNAP NAS, but was never impressed with it's heat and noise in my home office.

The 3 mini-pcs on the table here are silent, and don't raise the room temp one bit.

[sharp sparrow]

Yup. The primary downsides to those are expansion and storage

[thick minnow]

True. But I gave up on storing terabytes of video and music recordings a decade ago, when my house burned down and I realized "things" mean nothing. I just never replaced all that

The biggest storage hog I have is the video camera recorder, but I also have B2 cloud to store it in

[sharp sparrow]

mmhmm. I store the bulk of my stuff offsite, makes more sense for a bunch of reasons, at least in my case.

[thick minnow]

The ASUS PN52 I have has one 2TB M.2 SSD and one 2.5" 8TB SSD. I don't find I need any more than that to run my stuff.

It only has one 2.5G ethernet port, but works great with the USB3 5G ethernet adapter I got, and time machine flies from my 10g Mac Studio

[sharp sparrow]

My home server/nas is in a fractal node 804. Not massive, not tiny, and I needed it to house dual gpu's anyway.

[marsh haven]

Possibly dumb question for smart people. I’m looking to upgrade my wifi game since I’ve been encountering bufferbloat issues and 1gb internet is now affordable in my area. I have a docsis 3.0 modem/router combo and my thought was to get tplinks wifi 7 router or equivalent when available and use my modem combo to supply the connection as from my understanding it can handle up to a gig until docsis 4.0 becomes available which should future proof me for a long time. Is that dumb?

[scenic canopy]

just got a sweet cisco 24 port gigabit switch

cbs-220-24t

[burnt dew]

Hey! i don't know if you will be able to help with this issue that i am having, but my WAMP i am trying to publish and make it put up online onto my ip, and i have tried adding a DMZ (friend sugguested) and a port forward to 80 WAN, and 80 LAN, but isnt working. Any help is appreciated! (image attached on what i want published.)

[pseudo blade]

DMZ is an awful idea, just do regular port forwarding if you're not familiar with setting up firewalls as you'll otherwise end up exposing SMB, RDP and quite likely your database to the internet, among others.

As far as why it doesn't work... My guess is you haven't added IP bindings to Apache that would permit it, though I'm uncertain what the default config of wampserver is and wouldn't use it myself, especially due to it including PhpMyAdmin and other tools which increase your attack surface.

You say you like Arch - have you considered running Apache under Linux instead? The experience is way better

[burnt dew]

i guess i could.

[pseudo blade]

I've been forced to set up WAMP stack offerings a few times and consistently hated it and found dumb problems that only exist in them

[pseudo blade]

https://www.shodan.io/search?query=wampserver
https://www.shodan.io/search?query=phpmyadmin
What you get when you don't really know how to set up a webserver securely and expose its management tools to the internet, not even just setting up a DMZ when you probably didn't want to expose everything

[alpine grotto]

DOCSIS 4.0 is years off from practical implementation on any sort of large scale. D3.1 will be relevant for quite a while and is actually well established to work

[marsh haven]

Good point I just figured if I have a 3.0 modem already I’d wait till it released in 24 to upgrade? My isp only does up to a gig for now so if anything wait till 4 drops and get a 3.1 for a bit cheaper when that rolls around?

[alpine grotto]

Are you leasing a modem through your provider? If so they should be pushing 3.1 gateways with anyone who’s even close to using a gig plan. That said, the performance differential between 3.0 and 3.1 mostly comes down to upstream bonding as 32x30 bonded channels is essentially going to get you to high speed on its own. 3.1 supports OFDMA if your provider has mid or high split architecture enabled but you’re not gonna get much benefit out of it unless you stream or do large file uploads regularly.

[marsh haven]

At the time they didn’t do 3.1 so I bought a 3.0 combo to avoid leasing. I would have the option of renting a modem if I were to upgrade my service.

Not sure about the tech they offer with 3.1 but I know they do have a list of supported 3.1 modems.

[alpine grotto]

TLDR; don’t upgrade your modem at the moment unless your current one is causing problems or not getting enough, and if that’s the case, call your provider and ask them about it or flag down a line tech on a street. If your Wi-Fi is bad, consider optimizing router position and wireless channels before looking at upgrade options. I wouldn’t say that now is a terribly good time in the dev cycle to upgrade if you don’t have to.

As a note though, D3.1 modems are just D3.0 models that support slightly newer standards and OFDM/OFDMA. So if you need a new one for whatever reason, it will work fine for some time to come.

[marsh haven]

I use Ethernet for gaming applications but my router doesn’t support sqm so I run into video call issues and other latency problems. Figure if I were to get a new router I’d wait till wifi 7 because I feel like getting a 6e with 7 around the corner would be unfortunate.

Upgrading the modem did feel like the lowest priority

It’s not super concerning that I’d wait a bit longer but I do have a small sense of urgency

[alpine grotto]

6e is underwhelming and i very much doubt that even half of new hardware is shipping with support for it.

[marsh haven]

Even 6 is high up enough in price that it has me leaning towards waiting for 7 if I’m going to be dropping a lot anyway.

[alpine grotto]

Oh. Also, before you make any modem/Wi-Fi upgrades, make sure your ISP’s signal stats are in good spec. Don’t ever upgrade or up your tier before your RF signal or light is right because you’re then paying to try and compensate for your service provider not keeping their shit on lock.

[marsh haven]

Not very knowledgeable in the subject, wdym by that?

[alpine grotto]

Um, it’s kind of a lot to explain for the uninitiated but basically, just having a cable connection or fiber connection isn’t the only factor. Signal strength and signal quality are affected by stuff like how your house wiring is set up and how the local ISP network is running.

Because sometimes those problems can take longer than expected to take, i don’t ever recommend buying new hardware to correct a problem in your connectivity before making sure that’s right because some issues can take longer to resolve than the return window on a router.

[marsh haven]

It’s a bit over a 2 year old router in my possession and the the product itself is like 9 years years old.

They also support 6ghz wifi

My isp

But I see after reading your comment again that the latency issue might be my local isp rather than my equipment?

[alpine grotto]

I couldn’t say what specifically would help your situation and wouldn’t want to offer direct help that my company hasn’t authorized me to give, but Google or chatGPT could give you an answer on what good DOCSIS service requires from a signal quality perspective.

[pseudo blade]

Don't forget contention

Do not ask chatGPT for advice lol

Everything I've so far gotten back from it has been rubbish when analysed further

[alpine grotto]

That’s not advice, that’s just asking it to pull well documented tech specs which are applicable to a massively common technology, but yes, never take chatGPT at its word

[pseudo blade]

Research online is better

[marsh haven]

I’m not really concerned about the modem right now because it can handle 1gb connection I believe. I just figured newer router > old router.

[pseudo blade]

Certainly can be, especially if your old modem had one of the more notorious Intel Puma chipsets

[marsh haven]

It doesn’t support sqm which I heard can be a big factor

[pseudo blade]

Queueing is only really applicable when you're saturating that connection. Are you doing that a lot? (Ah found your original message)

[alpine grotto]

That one’s a little more straightforward, because yes, there is different performance between generations, but 6e isn’t massively better than AX, and AX isn’t massively better than AC. AC however is so much better than N that it’s not even funny

My only point made prior to that really is that if you’re having issues with latency or connection reliability to local servers, check your modem’s connection stats before buying new hardware because buying a new router then having your ISP take 2 months to fix a network or home wiring problem sucks.

Whereas checking your connection stats is free and reasonably straightforward.

[marsh haven]

I really shouldn’t be throttling the bandwidth, I get around 500-600 down but am constantly suffering from wifi drops and random latency issues. If I’m playing games my partner will get a lot of buffering issues in video calls and other web browsing issues.

[alpine grotto]

Do those drops happen on your Ethernet connections?

[pseudo blade]

Doing WiFi at or above those speeds is difficult and very range-limited. Additionally, if they're only happening on WiFi, SQM will not fix your problem.

[marsh haven]

I get packet loss occasionally over Ethernet but i can’t reliably measure it across games because it’s a ps5.

[alpine grotto]

Plug a laptop or desktop into the modem or router directly and ping -t 8.8.8.8. Any packet loss isn’t right but you won’t really start noticing it until you’re at about 3%. There are lots of reasons for it though

[pseudo blade]

This is great https://github.com/cntools/cnping

[pseudo blade]

The joys of congestion mean that you can measure its impact on other devices sharing the same resources

[alpine grotto]

And yes, distance can be a huge factor in Wi-Fi performance. I had a VIP calling to complain about connectivity problems a while back, turned out she had one or two wireless devices that had RSSIs of like -85dbmv… basically not even signal but enough to keep trying to transfer on. It wrecked their entire Wi-Fi because all that traffic was just constantly retransmitting

[marsh haven]

I’ll try to get a read on the signal when I’m back home, but it’s a 300 sqft apartment so I didn’t think to consider it.

But I can recall a lot of the issues with the wifi happening 10 or so ft from the router itself.

Good point, thanks for the tips. I’ll give it a go and if all else fails I’ll harass my isp a bit before pulling the trigger.

I do run smart lights but they should be using thread I’ll try disconnecting them from power in different situations because sometimes they’ll get stuck in a constant “searching” mode because HomeKit is dumb.

[alpine grotto]

Good luck! Hope it’s an easy resolution.

[marsh oracle]

Is anyone here auditing firewall logs?
I found strange behaviors from Windows machines trying to access 172.20.0.1:445 or 172.18.144.1:445 about every 10 minutes.
of course it gets blocked, that network is not used here and there is no docker on any of the source machines.

What's your opinion on that?

On the windows machine, the PID 4 issued the connection (system), but why?
If I check the registry, I can not find anything

[whole crow]

I have this bluetooth usb adapter and when I plug it into my pc and connect my samsung galaxy buds, they have a delay https://www.tp-link.com/uk/home-networking/adapter/ub500/

Is it a bad product or is there something else I can do to decrease delay?

I even installed the drivers from their website

[midnight axle]

anyone able to explain to me how, for the first time in 10 years, have been able to get this steam download speed? i always lay at 10 mbps :/

[magic arrow]

Hi,
I need help with this. I have successfully have 2 Synology routers connected over site to site VPN but I can't do a lot of things over the connection.
Example: smb file transfer, browse my multiple Synology Nas devices using their local Ip address, etc. The only thing that works across the site to site connection is remote desktop over VNC.

[alpine grotto]

172.20.0.0/24 is private and can't be publicly accessed, that's local traffic. Same with the second IP.

[old iris]

Any ideas for why my ASUS dual band WiFi adapter isn’t showing up on Windows? It works fine on Linux but I went through the “Network Connections” app on Windows and I don’t even see it show up

[old iris]

Fixed it, windows didn’t detect it because idk

[sage crow]

Some specify that they only work with certain operating systems

[marsh oracle]

Yes we know that already and it was not my actual question.

[alpine grotto]

Have you run a PCAP and found anything in the traffic to or from the IPs?

[marsh oracle]

That is actually a good idea, haven't thought of trying to capture the traffic.
I'll try with Wireshark and see why PID 4 (system) wants to communicate with a network that is not in use here and what content (probably encrypted..)

[waxen saddle]

2 things:

1. Are the IP address ranges different? (site 1: 172.16.1.0/24, Site 2: 172.16.2.0/24)
2. If so, did you build routes so the routers know the forward traffic destined for the other site through the VPN tunnel?

[marsh oracle]

there is basically nothing, its just a 66 byte packet containing typical tcp/ip data such as source and destination mac and the SYN flag is set.
It does not make sense that clients try to access a network that is not in use in any way shape or form here on this network.
Remote networks also reside in other 10.0.0.0/8 network segments

[alpine grotto]

Corporate or home network, and are you getting any ACK flags on subsequent packets?

[marsh oracle]

of course it is getting blocked by the firewall, see my initial text.
As I wrote many times now, I dont use class-b networks here and there is no reason port 445 should go out to any 172. network at all.

[alpine grotto]

You can tell someone that it shouldn’t be happening all you like but clearly it is happening. Good luck figuring it out.

[magic arrow]

@waxen saddle I don't know how to set static routes on the Synology routers. Can you help me with this? Also yes the Ip address are different between the 2 routers

[waxen scroll]

Random thoughts: use command prompt on the affected host, "set" command. Are the IPs there? Is there a login server thats not the local PC in there? Is there DNS names that resolve to that IP?

Do those IPs have reverse DNS in your network?

Open regedit and search for those IPs.

Any network drives that are disconnected and trying to reconnect?

google says its SMB but also might be active directory sooooo those are the two things I would search the host for

[marsh oracle]

nope, no environment variables with any of that, no registry entry at all, I never used the 172.16.0.0/12 network at all and there is no manual static routes, no hosts file edit etc

I have no explanatation for this strange behavior

[clear igloo]

any containers (docker, kubernetes, etc)?

[marsh oracle]

see my text above: no docker in use,
specially the 172. adresses change, it is not always 172.20.0.1

perhaps someone else is here and does regular firewall log audits and finds similiar results

[waxen scroll]

when you sniff the traffic is the mac address the same as the physical card address of the host?

[marsh oracle]

nay, the destination mac address is my router, and that router has nothing to do with this network and blocks it as per rules

[waxen scroll]

I mean the source mac

if its not the same that could be a clue

[marsh oracle]

source mac is the same mac as the macine the connect attempt comes from

[waxen scroll]

lame

[marsh oracle]

and the PID on the Windows 10 machine where this connect attempt comes from is 4 (system)

[waxen scroll]

Sketchy. Maybe just nuke it and start over 😄

[waxen saddle]

Did you ever use this IP/range in the past? Activation server? Management? A non-Windows service running as the system?
Did you clear credentials in credential manager? Clear Edge cache completely?

(And I DO mean clear everything in Edge - saved logins, cookies, etc…

[marsh oracle]

Oi never ever in use, I mean they're just 66 byte packets attempting to connect to a random 172.16/12 network via tcp445 by the system process,
who knows why that is 🤷🏽‍♀️

[glass spoke]

Hey guys, need your help here. I have two unifi acess points, one per floor, my coverage is great in most of the house. But there are some places that is horrible, like one of the bedrooms that is o the other side of the stairs case. All of the house is concrete, Europe. I will need another one to cover that part of the house right. Info I cant ceiling mount ( again concrete house).

[peak cloak]

hyper v ?

do ipconfig /all to check all local IPs

[glass spoke]

Sorry for my English, not my native language.

[marsh oracle]

no Hypervisor on those machines,
usually Win10Pro Hypervisor brings a default vSwitch with it in the 172.16/12 network range,
but said machines have no hyper-v feature installed and have no IP network in the 172.16/12 range

anyways, its not a biggie. I just found it very weird indeed since that network is not in use here at all

[primal ice]

check those settings@marsh oracle

[marsh oracle]

they're usually enabled here (local only), you think this causes Windows trying to access random 172.16/12 networks that don't even exist locally?

[primal ice]

possibly mine tries to connect to random stuff - guessing its windows update and telemetry crap. but my firewall also blocks it.

[waxen saddle]

If I recall, 172.16.0.0 is reserved for LAN’s (private use). If Windows was trying to find random computers on random LAN’s, it wouldn’t surprise me.

[barren dagger]

Found this on the side of the road what should I do with it

Is it a terrible idea to power it on

I am going to power it on

[peak cloak]

what does it say on the front

[barren dagger]

Power button does not turn it off lmao

It’s just looping this now

[peak cloak]

Old

e waste

Not worth trying to get running

[barren dagger]

Yeah probably but I’m gonna play around with it

[peak cloak]

Prob because there's no memory?

[barren dagger]

I think it may be that there’s nothing to boot to

There’s 16 gigs in it

[peak cloak]

Servers usually have a setup thing to boot to

[barren dagger]

Got it into this menu

2011

[neat whale]

Would it be advisable to use the 2nd Ethernet port on the Eero router? Its being used as a bridge for smart devices. Connected to main router. I'm wanting to cheat and plug the old rig into the eero router. The old rig will serve as a server.

[sage crow]

No way, you got lucky. If you can get it working correctly those make good home servers

[barren dagger]

i was thinking that might be possible

would it be an awful idea to make it a minecraft server lol

maybe with more ram

[peak cloak]

again way too old

just a really bad space heater

[pseudo blade]

Loud space heater

Oh presentmonkey beat me to it

[barren dagger]

i mean

[pseudo blade]

Yeah basically

[barren dagger]

what if i need a spaceheater

[peak cloak]

a pretty bad spaceheater too

[pseudo blade]

G5/6 ran hot as hell and had little in the way of power efficiency options

Nah it's as good a resistive heater than any if you can bear the noise

[barren dagger]

yeah i probably wont put it to much use but im just gonna play around with it lol

[pseudo blade]

It's in the "leave the room while it boots" category for me

[barren dagger]

its also got like 4.6 tb worth of drives but they are probably slow drives

[pseudo blade]

Wonder who threw it away with intact drives

[barren dagger]

someone who also threw away a huge network switch and a tape drive

[pseudo blade]

Not wise

[barren dagger]

and a framed photo of a football player

[pseudo blade]

4/6 drives are SATA "midline" drives (aka slow) and the smaller two are 15K SAS (aka what was considered fast until SSDs blew them away)

[sage crow]

Personally idk if I’d ever trust a isp like Amazon with my personall info. That’s a VPN subscription ready to be bought lol

[hard arch]

amazon now skipping the middle man and directly getting all your internet trafic to sell on

[opal pagoda]

one use would be to use it as nas
remove old mobo, try and mount matx mobo in it, get a psu that fits (flexatx or sfx possibly) and reuse case and hotswap bays
and you could use old psu-s from that server for electronic projects as they are easy to mod to constantly output 12v

[sharp sparrow]

depending on psu models and noise levels, they can potentially be reused as-is also

[opal pagoda]

they output 12v only

[sharp sparrow]

That’d do it

[opal pagoda]

they were often used for mining

so adapters to pcie power exists

[barren dagger]

12 volt power supplies are super useful and it’s got some super powerful fans in it

[pseudo blade]

Not that this matters much nowadays, everything that isn't 12v can be put on a few DC-DC buck converters a la picoPSU

-I'd probably not reuse the case and by the time you've stepped through everything actually worthwhile I think you'd be better off with an old ATX case, new parts with SATA drive mounts and NVME storage.

[thick minnow]

Should i use DNS 8.8.8.8 google public dns ?

[sharp sparrow]

Does it do what you want it to do?

[thick minnow]

Yes

[sharp sparrow]

Well?

[pseudo blade]

I have a local DNS server on my router with some custom records for local resources, resolving upstream with CloudFlare DoH.

[primal ice]

same

[sharp sparrow]

ditto.

[opal pagoda]

1.1.1.1 (cloudflare) is faster but sure, use google one if you want

[thick minnow]

Hey, i have a issue with my wifi

Im trying to play roblox, and nothing works. everything loads very slow and eventually after things do load i get massive lag spikes

I Tried

Flushing My DNS
Restarting My Router
Restarting PC (Multiple times, this issue has been going on for over a month now)

Only on My laptop, My network, Roblox this issue happens, everything works fine on other services

Also, This only happens with my laptop, fine on my phone

[radiant bone]

Was watching Techquickies video on Wi-Fi range extenders.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW4wT7gob7s

All he seems to talk about is how bad every other method is, and that the solution is to either get a much better quality router, or buy mesh routers and spread them around.

Also mentions how you'd have to manually switch your phone between 2 different SSID's depending where in the house you are. And that even if you get a better extender and put the SSID exactly the same? Wifi will likely stay latched onto the first one it encounters unless you lose the signal completely.

[marsh oracle]

it's a shared medium alright

[radiant bone]

I just want better wifi across the house and up a floor from where the router is...

[marsh oracle]

better in terms of speed, or distance?

[radiant bone]

It's for a smart tv and phone.

[marsh oracle]

Both is hard unless you spend some money and time into configuring roaming

[radiant bone]

Don't have the technical know-how to do that. And wanted to try and keep costs down.

[marsh oracle]

Well then you would go the easy way and just install a wifi repeater,
but I do not suggest this.
Also: Wifi repeaters can surely extend the same Wifi network, but the speed will be degraded too -> shared medium

[radiant bone]

The TV just dips in quality now-and-then. Running speed tests it's just....slow. Even my phone doesn't get that great of a wifi signal up there

[marsh oracle]

I'd run a cable thru the house/apppartment to thge wifi extender and extend the wifi network thru a cable this way if I had to

[radiant bone]

But does that not just make a 2nd access point? As he said in the video,

• Have to manually switch between the 2 wifi's
• Wifi likely will stay latched onto the first one it encounters, despite a stronger signal being present

[thick minnow]

Hi I have a 500mbps connection coming into my 3 bedroom home I live in the UK so it goes into virgin super hub 3 so my bedroom is away from where the router is so I have ran a ethernet cable from the router in my living room into the loft and connected a tplink WiFi archer c7 router in the loft to extend WiFi to my bedroom the router is alright for a few hours then I start getting buffering and freezing then the WiFi on the device will just stop and then I have to sometimes login to the administrator side of the router and reset it back to factory defaults

Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this issue

[storm coyote]

Pie all that off and get some ubitquiti aps

[thick minnow]

I don't have the money for ubiquiti equipment

[peak cloak]

No

Client should switch to base station with highest signal

That's how it works in big deployments with lots of APs

[sharp sparrow]

tp-link deco mesh systems are solid as well.

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo everything needs to be IP based

And you can’t convince me otherwise

[clear igloo]

IPv6 😄

I know that's IP based but still

[rocky badge]

lol

Having everything on an IP network is so nice

[thick minnow]

Sorted it out I ran an ethernet cable from the router in the loft to my NVIDIA shield tv Pro and it is working great no disconnections

[marsh oracle]

good

[peak cloak]

Could look at TP-Link omada, those are pretty good too

[thick minnow]

do you think it is possible to broadcast wi-fi using a ad in card kek

[ruby patrol]

Hay guys quick question should i enable DoT on my router dns settings

(Ping me if u hav a answer)

[peak cloak]

If you want

I assume that just uses DoT for forwarding requests to a server

[thick minnow]

I have sorted my issue out I ran a ethernet cable from the router in the loft to my NVIDIA shield tv Pro

[gloomy flicker]

I'm working on port forwarding, and just wondering, on my router I see the first attachment, but if I go 'what is my ip' or something like that, I get the second attachment. Shouldn't my router show me my external IP? What is the IP Address shown in the router?
The internal IP is 192.168.31.1, so it's not that.
Could someone share a bit? Is this NAT? What is that?

[peak cloak]

yes you are under cgnat

your router WAN IP is a IP range commonly used for cgnat, not a publically routable IP

[gloomy flicker]

Should it matter for me with port forwarding? Because I've set a rule for port forwarding, but it doesn't work for me 🙄

[peak cloak]

yes, port forwarding will not work if you are under cgnat

you need a public IP assigned to your router

[gloomy flicker]

F

So...what's the simplest solution for port forwarding behind cgnat? :\

[peak cloak]

you would need to use some tunnel/proxy service to tunnel into your network

like ngrok

or get a vps to act as public endpoint

[gloomy flicker]

Any good free service?

[peak cloak]

https://github.com/mochman/Bypass_CGNAT

[peak cloak]

there's a ton out there

but most free have limitations

[gloomy flicker]

Yeah exactly.

[peak cloak]

you could try with oracle as they have an always free vps

it just requires a bit of setup, but that github repo provides info

[gloomy flicker]

I'll start with this, thanks!

[marsh oracle]

Well there's just another method, that involves renting your own VPS somewhere and set up a permanent VPN there that your entire internet traffic routes thru.
This way you have a proper routable WAN IP, its static and you can do port forwards to your internal network.

[peak cloak]

that's what I said basically

[gloomy flicker]

Are there any limitations regarding speed, transfer limit, anything like that? (not even sure if it's related, not that familiar with vps's etc)

[peak cloak]

well yes they can be, there will be increased latency, but whether that is noticeable depends on a bunch of variables like distance from datacenter vps is in to home, and idk what network speeds oracle has

[gloomy flicker]

Basically I just want to access my local NAS, and be able to utilize my 100mbps upload speed(not like it's anything special, but if it's too slow, then it's quite meaningless)

[peak cloak]

I think 100mpbs is fine. Also, if you just want to access nas for personal use look into products like tailscale or zerotier. You have to install their app, but you then can access your devices from anywhere without having to worry about port forwarding, basically creating a virtual lan but it's p2p most of the time so little to no extra latency

Plus it's more secure, I use tailscale for accessing things NVR when I'm out

[gloomy flicker]

Is that an actual app? Or just a service running in the background?

[peak cloak]

Well a common setup would have you install tailscale on NAS, and then you would install tailscale on phone/laptop. Then you would use the tailscale IP assigned to access it

I think it does get installed as a system service on Linux

[gloomy flicker]

Sounds slightly annoying as a client(if I want for example to send links to family members and stuff like that), but it also sounds pretty useful in a way

[sharp sparrow]

cloudflare one has a free tier as well, that you are WELL within the usage limits of

[peak cloak]

I mean yeah that's the downside

It's not public

But it's also a upside for me security wise

[gloomy flicker]

I'll look into that too, thanks 🙂

[gloomy flicker]

Yep 4 sure

[peak cloak]

Cloudflare tunnels?

Yeah those are just a proxy so it would make your nas public

[sharp sparrow]

er, I am specifically talking about CloudFlare One. It has multiple operating modes, one of which is indeed proxy.

[peak cloak]

Oh cf zero trust

Idk much about that

[sharp sparrow]

I went through all the deployment on it for ZT access to my remote cluster, but wasn't happy with the performance, so replaced it with a direct wireguard connection

(was throttled around 250Mbps through it, give or take)

[peak cloak]

ik tailscale uses wireguard internally, so if a p2p connection is possible (nat traversal) you will get fast speeds

if it's not, then yeah it will have to route through DERP which can be slow

[gloomy flicker]

cloudflare seems to require a payment method.
I hate it, it's always free, then you wake up one day and see a $100 bill XD
The same happened to me on AWS :p

[peak cloak]

well aws is brutal

[sharp sparrow]

nah. CF One is free until 50+ users and you have to opt into a paid tier

[peak cloak]

I always use privacy.com for free things that require payment info

[sharp sparrow]

I just generate a one-time card with revolut or klarna (and set the limit to $5)

[gloomy flicker]

Interesting, I'll give it a try 🙂

[ruby patrol]

Yeah i did its the cloudflare server thingy (1dot1dot1dot1.cloudflare-dns.com)

Sorry for ping i forgot to turn it off

[peak cloak]

idc, it's fine

yeah some do

[ruby patrol]

I do cuz i hate notifs

I hate my vpn having a notif always there

[peak cloak]

Well I do too, just all my discord servers are muted. I only get notifications from dms

[ruby patrol]

I just mute the servers who ping everyone for a vid or idk survey

[barren dagger]

Loud space heater that runs windows

[pseudo blade]

It'll do that. I think the gen before was SCSI and wouldn't have been quite as easy to run 2016+ on

[knotty plover]

why a website would ban VPS traffic?

I got the VPS and turned it into VPN, didn't think such error happen
and got it from a good data center
Hetzner

[clear igloo]

Bots, scammers, and cheaters is why

[obtuse cypress]

Because people spawn postfix/sendmail instances up on VPS and create mail spam farms and such

[tough tinsel]

i want to create a simple redundate 4tb homenas. i have a i5 4570 pc with an old hhd and 2 4tb drives. anyone have sugestions on the software to use or how to do it?

[thick minnow]

TrueNas maybe?

[pseudo blade]

Just as it is easy for you to spin up servers on public clouds, so is it for cybercriminals. You can write a ~100 line script to bring up and tear down VPSes to do all sorts of malicious things I won't go into detail about (and probably prompted them to block their IP ranges).
Also: Anyone connecting from a VPS probably isn't a person and wasn't going to watch their ads.

[peak cloak]

Truenas, make a zfs mirror

[thick minnow]

Would OpenWRT be the best firmware choice for a router?

[pseudo blade]

Speaking generally, it gives you Linux's routing and firewalling and is pretty powerful. The "best" firmware choice really depends on the hardware and what you want it to do though.

If your router's really awful it might not be suitable

[thick minnow]

I'm using an off the shelf router not supported by something like freshtomato

So it's basically this or ddwrt

I'd say the router is pretty good

I just wanted to try a more open and customizable firmware

[marsh oracle]

I tried putting pfsense on a Gateprotect CAD-0215
and wow... was it slow...

[pseudo blade]

I'd prefer OpenWRT then if your hardware's supported.

[thick minnow]

It is, albeit 1 version behind latest

I was gonna built a pfsense box, and still might

But this seems to be working fine for now

[marsh oracle]

my pfsense box is virtual

[thick minnow]

[marsh oracle]

TEK Cat!

I dont know if you folks remember that, but my first home made router was a FLI4L on a 75MHz Pentium machne.
FLI4L was a router on a single flopppy and entirely command line based

thumbs up if you know FLI4L

[pseudo blade]

You really don't need much CPU just to do routing

Before my time, didn't need that sort of thing

[thick minnow]

I think this thing has a dual core arm @ 1.2ghz or something

[marsh oracle]

right,
but VPN traffic aint gonna encrypt itself

[pseudo blade]

Yeah the main gotchas for openwrt are the wireless cards, modem if present and flash size

Eh RAM can sometimes be a problem too

I just don't buy consumer routers anymore

[thick minnow]

256mb of ddr3

[shy temple]

can any one help ??? have abuddy who streams on twich with xbox an just got a pc but with his capter card his streams seem to lag an he has a ryzan7 a 3060

[pseudo blade]

Not worth the BS of putting custom firmware on random crap when good routere are cheap

[pseudo blade]

#1027757333117415424

[shy temple]

thanks

[thick minnow]

So for openwrt do I just take the provided firmware for my router and flash it like it's an update through the web portal?

[pseudo blade]

Depends on the router, check the guide for your device

[thick minnow]

Here goes nothing
See you guys on the other side

holy shit that was easy

[thick minnow]

I can't tell if my internet speed got cut in half or if Comcast is being Comcast

[peak cloak]

it could be the router

[neon forum]

so I have a bit of a dumb dumb moment here, but because my router setup atm is really dumb I wanna get a new router. The one I have atm is decent except its 100 Mbps ethernet and that's clearly unacceptable.

so I'm looking at Tp-link a9 ac1900, but I can't make heads or tails about the WiFi range. At say, 10 meter distance, what kind of speeds could I expect to get on a smartphone? I have pretty much no experience with this because I only need WiFi because 4G doesn't really work in this apartment 😅

[acoustic pewter]

So I just built an opnsense machine from an old PC that I want to use as a router. I'm having a lot of issues with it connecting to the internet over WAN and LAN not working when WAN is plugged in. Are there any ELI5 guides out there for opnsense?

[peak cloak]

wdym by "connecting to the internet over WAN "

do you have NAT rules? they should be there by default

[acoustic pewter]

This is what my NAT rules page looks like. For testing purposes I have my my ISP router hooked to my OPNsense routers WAN port, and my laptop is on the LAN port. I am unable to access the GUI when the WAN cable is plugged in, and when its plugged it the OPNsense machines says its gets an IPv4 and IPv6 address but I cannot connect to the internet

[peak cloak]

that looks fine?

what error do you get when you try to connect

[acoustic pewter]

No error, just windows saying no internet.

[peak cloak]

that's a type of error

do you get an IP address on windows

can you ping opnsense?

[acoustic pewter]

Oh, thought you were looking for an error message or code

[peak cloak]

reason I'm asking is like when using a web browser, there is a big difference between a timeout error for example and an nx_domain error

those point to 2 different paths you would go down to troubleshoot

[acoustic pewter]

I was able to successfully ping the router from my laptop and vice versa

[tired karma]

I'm new to networking- using proxmox- but I'm trying to port forward which isn't working- now trying to build bridge but have no idea how this works

[peak cloak]

with opnsense plugged directly into ISP equipment (no router inbetweeen) can you ping 1.1.1.1 from opnsense

[peak cloak]

port forward from where to where? what type of network setup do you have right now with proxmox

[tired karma]

just router to device(proxmox) - within proxmox (I'm trying to setup game server to play with friend's <have domain was able to setup on separate windows device> but just cant get it to port forward) so, vm is Ubuntu

[acoustic pewter]

Due to others being on the network I am unable to hook my opnsense machine into the modem. I tried pinging cloud flare dns and it said no route to host. So I am guessing this is the issue?

[peak cloak]

https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Network_Configuration
what type of network have you configured?
show your /etc/network/interfaces

[peak cloak]

oh yep, so sounds like you are missing default route

show your routing table

[acoustic pewter]

Laptop -> opnsense router -> POS linksys router combo unit -> ISP fiber line

[peak cloak]

that's not a routing table, look in opnsense for something called routes

[tired karma]

in the gui- says permission denied but i just have a default network setup configure

[peak cloak]

default proxmox iirc has a bridged setup

so no port forwarding required

VMs should get IPs from your local network

[tired karma]

when- I tried with default config- I wasn't able to get thur router. it was working locally with domain but not outside the network

I tried looking at multiple videos/forums

[peak cloak]

you need to port forward on your router then

if you can access VM from local network with no issues, then the issue is the router between internet and LAN, not proxmox

[acoustic pewter]

Here's some screenshots

[peak cloak]

next page?

[peak cloak]

hmm, so yeah my suspicions are correct. You have no ipv4 default route for some reason

you have a WAN ipv4?

also try pinging cf v6 2606:4700::1111

a quick fix for right now assuming 192.168.1.1/24 is the IP of the all in one router, is to add a static route with destination 0.0.0.0/0, next-hop 192.168.1.1

[acoustic pewter]

Yeah, I completely forgot the login to the all in one so I can see what my WAN ip is

[peak cloak]

well that doesn't matter

opnsense doesn't care about that right now

since right now it's double NAT

it's WAN IP rn is somewhere in 192.168.1.0/24 I assume based off the routing table info

[acoustic pewter]

So the static route destination 0.0.0.0/0, do I do that in the interfaces tab?

[peak cloak]

no

in routing

that's interface configuration

you don't want to change the IP of the interface

[peak cloak]

looks correct

I don't know why opnsense didn't automatically add it based off dhcp, unless you manually entered an IP

[acoustic pewter]

Really stupid question The check box next to the route, that enables it or disables it?

[acoustic pewter]

I hit apply. Made sure to toggle the enable box. Restarted the system but still no internet.

And I checked, unable to ping cloud flare

[peak cloak]

is this from laptop/pc or from router?

disabled is checked

unchecked is enabled

I would assume the way it's worded

[acoustic pewter]

Okay, that worked. IDK who thought having a unticked box for enabled was intuitive UI but I am able to ping cloud flare

And I have internet access, thank you so much for the help @peak cloak !

[peak cloak]

keep in mind this won't work once you plug into modem directly

[acoustic pewter]

Right, I'll just use this to set up plugins and disable this route when I deploy it

[tired karma]

I gave up on proxmox

now just using ubuntu- I have done firewall and port forwarding and domain but - when i do port checker it still closed

i swear feel like I have done everything- unless does ubuntu have extra steps than window?

[peak cloak]

I feel your issue isn't the host

Proxmox has default bridge, there is no firewall

It's your router

Do you even have a public IP?

[torn geode]

A colleague had a external seagate drive with "Cyclic Redundancy Check Error" Whenever i tried to initialize it.
RecoverIt just kept saying that it was disconnecting.
So now i am looking for a drive i can take the pcb from to put it on the drive (swap rom chips ofc)
Found several drives with the same partnumber 1RK172-570.
But i was wondering if the number on this sticker matters?

Someone told me that ppl here might know.

[pseudo blade]

#1027757333117415424

[torn geode]

Someone in my tech support post told me to ask it here...

[pseudo blade]

It doesn't go here.

[hollow marlin]

@clear igloo @waxen scroll Just got handed over the A10 virtual appliance for testing and design. CGNAT go brrrrrr

[clear igloo]

double nat all the things!!!

[ruby patrol]

Hey can anyone give me some tips on how to secure my Internet (ports, etc) from vulnerabilities. Better safe than sorry

[forest sorrel]

Firewall. Or just disconnect from the internet lol

[ruby patrol]

Firewall can get a 0h or day exploit and the purpose of having my int secured is to... well use it

[clear igloo]

You want zero day exploit protection? Or invulnerable protection? I hope you have a good six plus figures ready to drop on a NGFW and advanced endpoint protection services. No software is invulnerable to exploits, you just hope they get patched asap

[forest sorrel]

Yea AFAIK that would be the only easy way.

[ruby patrol]

Dosent need to be easy

[ruby patrol]

Ik but some suspicious patterns can be detected

Via anitmalware

[clear igloo]

via known malware signatures and behavior patterns, an unknown exploit will not have that

Like you're asking for protection akin to what enterprises use, that's not going to happen unless you pay a ton of money. You can get decent protection with known firewalls available on the market for home use, example: pfsense + zenarmor or similar can offer good protection but if you want something that's guaranteed bullet against all exploits you're asking for the impossible

[ruby patrol]

Well also common sense will help to reduce the chance of infection... anyway thank you for the recommendations

Can sunvalley or pfsense work in a raspi?

[peak cloak]

not very well

[ruby patrol]

Also depending on what pi

[peak cloak]

in general pi's aren't powerful compared to a full on ips fullwall

[ruby patrol]

Is ips enterprise only?

[drowsy fossil]

There are enterprise options that have cheap or free community versions

[ruby patrol]

How do you integrate a community one i cant find a viable guide

[drowsy fossil]

Well you need a device fast enough to run it

You can try it in a VM potentially?

But pfsense supports suricata and suricata has a community based rulelist

[ruby patrol]

My pc kinda went kaboom

[drowsy fossil]

I'd worry about that first

[ruby patrol]

Yeah

I just like having a secured wifi... i share it with my "click every banner ad" roommate

His phone or laptop can get screwed i can fix that but i dont want stuff getting in my network/nas

[drowsy fossil]

Set up pihole with the virus domains on your pi and direct your dns to the pi

[ruby patrol]

Do u think a pi is enough?

[drowsy fossil]

For just dns? Yes

[ruby patrol]

I mean for network safety from a very infected host

He has walliant for fucks sake

[drowsy fossil]

If it's already infected then it's too late
But it can decrease the risk of infection

Defence in depth, do as much as you can 🤷‍♂️

[ruby patrol]

I want to wipe his hdd so badly but he wont listen to me and keeps using walliant saying it safe cuz a av from download.com said so

Quite the setup he has tbh

I will take my nas offline until i get my pc back

Thanks for the help guys

[drowsy fossil]

Also you may be able to run a VM on the nas?

[ruby patrol]

I dont want to risk it being compromised

I dont have any sort of protection on it

[drowsy fossil]

Yes so load the protection onto it lel

[ruby patrol]

I cant without accessing my network

[drowsy fossil]

Can it run a VM?

[ruby patrol]

No software installed for it

It may idk

[drowsy fossil]

Is it a Nas that has that software available or not?

And more importantly does it have at least 2 networking jacks?

[ruby patrol]

No just 1

[drowsy fossil]

Well then there's no point in worrying since you can't use it for that anyways

[ruby patrol]

Eh i will figure something out

[drowsy fossil]

Glhf

I'd highly advise running pihole if you have the option to change your router settings to use it

[ruby patrol]

Yeah thats what ill end up using ig

[peak cloak]

like people said, that is expensive and complicated

[ruby patrol]

Gtg I have a test to study for

[ruby patrol]

Not necessarily looking for enterprise

[peak cloak]

best way is to just have a guest network seperate

[drowsy fossil]

It's purely for preventing clicking on ads from downloading viruses tho
If they go out of their way to download it, it'll let them

[peak cloak]

firewalled off

[drowsy fossil]

That requires having a firewall tho lel

[peak cloak]

yeah that helps prevent, but nothing once it gets on

[peak cloak]

any actual good prosumer router will do basic firewall

[ruby patrol]

Isp router

[drowsy fossil]

Exactly what I expected lel

[peak cloak]

yeah you'd need to replace that

[drowsy fossil]

And basic consumer stuff almost exclusively doesnt

[ruby patrol]

Asus Gaming looking Router

[peak cloak]

yeah not with that

[ruby patrol]

Lmao

[drowsy fossil]

Actually tho Asus is the most open of the basic routers...

[peak cloak]

with 3rd party firmware?

[drowsy fossil]

Not even

3rd party firmware levels the playing field almost completely tho

[tired karma]

I got it to work with out proxmox

[worldly nacelle]

Anyone familar with SRT? and/or NDI? Trying to send my webcam feed from my laptop to my desktop over the local network, but I'm not sure what would be the best option. I found that NDI had a growing delay as the stream went on, but I'm not sure if SRT is going to be any better

[waxen saddle]

Keep it simple. Use VLC to send an rtsp stream.

[calm crest]

I wired my house with Ethernet cables but now I need to buy the components to set up the network… Is there anyone who can guide me on what to buy cause I am clueless?

[waxen saddle]

What cable category did you use? Cat5e? Cat6a?

[weak horizon]

Which components are you referring to? The hardware so you have jacks at the walls, or the networking hardware to do...the networking stuff?

[calm crest]

The switch the patch panel etc.

[calm crest]

I think both

Ok let me a bit more specific

[weak horizon]

Patch panels can be found on amazon with prices ranging from good to absurd, they're all really the same so just find one that is in your price range. Some people like the little bar in the back but it's user preference. For the switch, and router I use Ubiquiti. There is better but I haven't had any major issues.

[calm crest]

Ok, since I am completely clueless could you please check the switch and the panel that I’ve been looking at?

[weak horizon]

Also for the switch, find one that has enough ports plus a few extra for when you decide to add more drops.

send it

[calm crest]

Ok one sec

Well… I can only find them in Greek sites which is useless to send them here 😬

[weak horizon]

all good, do you have the brand and model numbers for the switch? I can look it up

[peak cloak]

are the cables already terminated?

[calm crest]

Yeah yeah one sec

[calm crest]

What do you mean?

[peak cloak]

so you have wires ran through the house, is thier bare cable on the end, or is there a connector

[calm crest]

Bare cable

[peak cloak]

ah ok, then yeah you need a patch panel

[weak horizon]

for the patch panel the thing to check for is that your keystones fit, most will but some manufacturers play games and use funky sizes, if the patch panel doesn't use keystones just make sure to match the terminations at both ends, you don't have to use any one standard but the all have to be the same

[peak cloak]

for reference

I personally just use B everywhere

[weak horizon]

ok, that changes it a bit, from your responses I assumed you already had the jacks/keystones, plates, etc

[calm crest]

D-Link DGS-1210-16 Managed L2 Switch 12 ports Ethernet 4 SFP

[peak cloak]

it's a bit overkill, but yes will work

since I don't think you need a managed switch

nor poe

if you're on a budget you can get something for cheaper probobly

[calm crest]

I won't be doing the wiring. I have an electrician coming. He told me what to buy but not what model etc. just the specifications. (12 port switch etc.) I just want to have a better idea on the whole thing cause I want to buy the components by myself so that he won't overcharges me for junk

[peak cloak]

electricians suck at low voltage

at least here in the US

[weak horizon]

I'll keep that switch in mind but lets backup for a sec. You need keystones and cover plates for each drop, then depending on your patch panel you'll need keystones for each cable. Do you have a punch down tool and scissors/wire cutter?

[peak cloak]

they have someone doing it for them, so no need for equipment

[calm crest]

TP-LINK LS1008 V12.0 Unmanaged L2 Switch 12 port (for 13EU :P)
Will that work?

[weak horizon]

because of the simple fact that you're hiring an electrician means you're being overcharged

[weak horizon]

saw that after i typed

[calm crest]

Ok. He has been already paid for the work he is going to do (since this is a new house so he did all the wiring including the Ethernet one)

[weak horizon]

yes

[calm crest]

oh ok

ok so now I need a patch panel that works with the size of the switch, right?

[peak cloak]

a patch panel is a purely physical thing

[weak horizon]

Here in the US electricians will often do low voltage wiring, but they are really bad at it because they treat networking like it's high voltage and they don't have any understanding of how networking works. So I'm always skeptical of any electrician touching networking cable.

For the patch panel, yes. How many cables did you run?

[peak cloak]

just to terminate a bunch of cables at one point

something like this will work https://icc.com/product/cat6-vertical-patch-panel-12-ports/

[calm crest]

He asked for a 24 port patch panel

[weak horizon]

^^ That brings up another question, do you have a rack you're putting in or just a switch/router on a shelf?

[calm crest]

Switch on the floor for now

[weak horizon]

you plan to put in a rack eventually?

[calm crest]

Well... Maybe but not any time soon

No I don't think I will

[weak horizon]

if I'm finding the right product that switch is a 10/100, so it will work but it'll be slow

[calm crest]

Slow speeds you mean?

[weak horizon]

yes, very very very slow

[calm crest]

Yeah I didnt check the specs tbf.. Just sent it to see if a cheap one like this compared to the other one would work

[weak horizon]

but I'm only seeing a 8 port version of the LS1008, not a 12 port

[calm crest]

Well...It allows speeds up to 100mbps

you looking at this one, right?

[weak horizon]

yeah, that's slow for a network switch. At a minimum you want a 10/100/1000(1 gbps) switch. If you can afford it get one with 2.5g or 10g ports.

[calm crest]

ok, my home will have a maximum of 60mpbs (and that's if I am lucky, I still have wait and see). But since I am building it once and one day they MIGHT set up better speeds then yes I won't go for the cheap one

What about the previous one that I sent?

But now I have 9mbps and Ill get a boost once I get a sim booster...So yeah I don't got the best internet here...Feels like I am living in the stone age

[weak horizon]

it's because the switch is the backbone of your network, so you ideally want the switch to be one of the fastest parts of your network so it can process the data to/from the router and devices quickly, or it'll become a bottleneck, I have 600mbps internet(super overkill for my home) but my router/switch have 1g ports

how many cables did you have installed?

[calm crest]

I am not sure, but he asked for a 12 port so I guess 12 😛

[peak cloak]

TL-SG1016 ?

[calm crest]

Yeah I guess having more ports won't be an issue

Since the price is lower than the 12 ports that I find

[weak horizon]

Quick search on amazon(us) I found tp link TL-SG116 16 port 1gig for $67, and tp link TL-SG1024S 24 port 1gig for $80. Those would do the job just fine, nothing fancy they're just switches that work.

TL-SG1016 would work too, amazon lists it for $77

[calm crest]

Yeah Ive been looking at the exact model that you sent me but since he asked for a 12 port I went searching for a 12 port

so a 16 port will do just fine

[weak horizon]

16 port just means you'll have extra for when you eventually add more stuff to the network

[calm crest]

yeah I know

what about that one? TP-LINK TL-SG1016D v8

[weak horizon]

Also, if it's in your budget, you might consider getting a POE switch. You might not need it now but if you start playing around with raspberry pi's(or alternatives) or esp devices having them powered by the switch is convenient.
TL-SG1016D would also be fine

[calm crest]

Anyway I need to look for a switch that has 12+ ports 1gpbs ethernet port speed and 1g+ roaming speed, right? ( so that I won't send you every switch I find 😛 )

[weak horizon]

keyword you're looking for is gigabit ethernet switch and 12+ports, depending on your knowledge you can get a managed or unmanaged switch

[waxen saddle]

My recommendation for switch: 12 port, 1gbps, unmanaged, fanless. Consider wall-mountable.

[calm crest]

ok...Now for the patch panel

Is it actually doing anything or is it a piece of metal to put the switch on a rack?

[waxen saddle]

You could go managed, but costs go up and it helps to have a reason for going with "managed". Especially since you'll want to set the managed switch with a static IP outside of the DHCP range.

[weak horizon]

simple answer is extra features

managed switches do stuffs

[calm crest]

Yeah I noticed that the price goes dramatically higher when it comes to managed, which I wanted to ask with what to go with

[weak horizon]

If you're not doing(or you don't know) VLANs, trunks, etc don't worry about it and get an unmanaged switch. Unmanaged switches are fine for almost every consumer.

For the patch panel, what type of cable was run? It makes a difference on which panel you should get.

[calm crest]

I think I got both cat5e and 6

one of each running through every room

But the router was connected with a 5e if I remember right\

[weak horizon]

I'm sorry....but why?

[calm crest]

No clue tbh. Once I found out I asked the same question myself

[waxen saddle]

LOL

[weak horizon]

I don't know if you can use a patch panel with 5 & 6

[calm crest]

Sadly I wasnt the one to communicate with the electrician about wiring the house with ethernet....

[waxen saddle]

We probably aren't out of luck. Just a moment...

There are keystone patch panels as well:
https://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-24-Port-Keystone-Rackmount-TC-KP24/dp/B07M5QBL8G/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=patch+panel&sr=8-4

Actually, I think I use either this exact one or something similar.

[weak horizon]

quick google says that you can mix and match cat5e and cat6 in a punchdown panel, but yeah use the one Corewyyn posted, I was going to recommend that one too lol

[peak cloak]

patch panel doesn't mount switch

it just terminates all the structured cabling

[waxen saddle]

Could also do something like (though I don't really recommend... less terminations the better):
https://www.amazon.com/Keystone-Support-Rapink-Pass-Thru-Removable/dp/B09FZKHH2G/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=patch+panel&sr=8-8

[weak horizon]

keystone panel also will allow you to mix&match cables

[peak cloak]

theres 2 different types, ones like these which requires keystones, and ones where everything gets punched down to the back

[waxen saddle]

Right. I was trying to help identify some ideas for mixing 2 different types of cables in the same patch panel.

[peak cloak]

you want to punch down not terminate fyi unlike the image

[calm crest]

okay. from my understanding so far is that the important/expensive part is the switch. So I think that I am just going to get the switch and let the electrician buy everything else (patch panel, rj cables etc.) Since the cost won't go dramatically up if he chooses to buy more expensive stuff. But on what price ranges should my patch panel be in? So that he won't completely rip me off

[weak horizon]

if it's a keystone patch panel it just needs to work and the keystones need to be matched to the cable, you shouldn't use a cat5e keystone with a cat6 cable(you probably can but you shouldn't)

[calm crest]

well patch panels can be expensive as well

I just found out 😛

[peak cloak]

yeah, technically you don't need a patch panel, but it's best practice

mine was like 40 USD for 12 port, which was kinda expensive

[calm crest]

okay thats what I was going to ask...If 30EU is ok for a panel

[weak horizon]

if you use a punch down panel ideally you'll want one for the cat5e and one for the cat6, but you may be able to get away with use a cat5e panel with cat6, although I do not recommend it

[weak horizon]

if it's in your budget

[peak cloak]

also, I would recommend to get a bunch of patch cables

[weak horizon]

^^^yes

[peak cloak]

to go from panel to switch

[calm crest]

yeah he asked for 14 1m patch cords

is it basically an ethernet cable?

[peak cloak]

yes

[calm crest]

ok

[weak horizon]

patch cords are just short ethernet cables

[peak cloak]

in the end it will look something like this

connection wise

[calm crest]

without the rack

and the router being there 😛

[peak cloak]

yeah

[calm crest]

but yeah I've seen a bunch before

But wanted to get the whole idea since I am going to pay for it

That's why I am asking so many question and some of them might sound dumb but since its going to stay for a while I want to get as much information as possible

[weak horizon]

I was trying to find an example of the plywood mounted networking setups people have done

[weak horizon]

all these are good questions, it took me a long time to figure it out by myself

[peak cloak]

I'll find my old pic

[calm crest]

He didn't mention anything about a mount, so my guess is that he is either too bored to set one up (if I buy one) or he has something else on his mind

hopefully the second one

[weak horizon]

finally found one, lots of people do this instead of a network cabinet, costs alot less and works well

[calm crest]

okay...The white one is the router, left is the switch and top is the patch... What is everything else? 😛

[peak cloak]

Bottom big thing looks like ups

I wouldn't mount that on a wall personally, way too heavy

Above that is a NAS

[calm crest]

plywood constructions can be very durable

NAS

?

[peak cloak]

Network attached storage, basically a storage server

[calm crest]

oh ok

[waxen saddle]

Top right looks like a cable modem.

[peak cloak]

You don't understand just how heavy they can be

[calm crest]

You can mount a sink

[peak cloak]

I would also be more worried about the screws/framing behind the wall

[calm crest]

Also I am not as clueless as I might look 😛

[peak cloak]

Yeah I am just personally afraid of heavy things falling

[calm crest]

Well...Its a justified fear

but yeah plywood attached on metal can be very durable

[weak horizon]

plywood mounted to anything correctly can be very durable, I use 1/2" plywood for mounting tv's to walls

[calm crest]

Anyway thanks a lot for all your help, really appreciate it 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[weak horizon]

that's what this is for, glad to help

[calm crest]

oh one last thing

about the patch panel. Is there any specifications I should look for? (except the cable compatibility)

and the number of ports ofc

[weak horizon]

I'm not aware of any gotcha's when it comes to patch panels, all the ones I've seen for rj45 and the cable have been fine. It's literally been over a decade since I touched a punch down patch panel.

[calm crest]

okok

He asked me to also get some rj11 cables, what could they be for? 😛

arent those the smaller ones, used for home telephones? 😛

[weak horizon]

yes, rj11 is for phone lines

[calm crest]

okay

thanks again for your service fellas

Oh my... Last thing and I mean it..Just remembered it

If the electrician comes and installs everything except for the switch. Is it hard to do it by myself afterwards?

[peak cloak]

it should be a matter of plugging everything into it

router, and cables

[calm crest]

okay so just plug and go

[weak horizon]

if you mean the switch and router, yes plug and play

[peak cloak]

yeah, this is just a basic L2 switch, no config needed

[calm crest]

so from router to patch to switch, no?

[peak cloak]

no, router -> switch -> patch

[calm crest]

yeah

Just realised I typed them wrong 😛

[weak horizon]

unmanaged switches literally just send data back and forth

[peak cloak]

even managed switches are usually plug and play

unless you want to configure them a certain way

[calm crest]

ok thanks again and again, your help was amazing

[calm crest]

If the wires on the wall are cat6 do I need a cat 6 Ethernet cable going from my pc to the wall as well?

Or a cat5 can work as well?

[clear igloo]

doesn't matter unless you need 10g over a long 55m+ distance

[calm crest]

Ok ok

[hollow marlin]

As long as you catch at least two studs, it can easily hold 100s of lbs. I've seen setups of multiple half-racks easily totaling 1000+. However, that is usually large sheets spanning multiple studs and with the additional friction against the drywall, the load is shared pretty evenly.

Setups like that are pretty standard and required for fire code (must be treated). For example it's required for our installs if the customer doesn't have a rack and I think OSP mentioned before it somewhere in the 75-100lbs per stud to stay within code

[velvet jolt]

Hello. I needed to change a setting on a Cisco catalyst 3750g switch. We didn't know the ssh password, but I managed to get into the web interface to reset it. I reset it but it didn't give option to put a custom subnet mask in setup. Now I cannot remote in to fix it

[clear igloo]

You need to use a console cable to connect in directly then

[velvet jolt]

Unfortunately we do not have one, but I guess I'll have to order one

[clear igloo]

Unless you can connect to the management port and put yourself on the same classful subnet as you setup from the web gui

[simple night]

Is plugging my PC into my wifi booster gonna make my ping go down in games?

[meager ginkgo]

not really no.

WiFi boosters generally make WiFi slower and increase the ping

[simple night]

I gotta get the router moved closer it's 2nd floor and my PC is in the basement

[meager ginkgo]

Do you have coaxial by your PC?

[simple night]

I don't know what that is sorry

[meager ginkgo]

What country are you in?

[simple night]

Canada

[meager ginkgo]

it’s basically what a cable box would connect to

or if you have cable internet it’s what your modem screws onto

[simple night]

Ohh no I don't have one near my PC only one in the house was 2nd floor

[meager ginkgo]

Yeah, the best option would be running an Ethernet cable, followed by moving the router, buying a power line adapter or getting a good mesh system

[simple night]

I have a powerline adaptor but I don't have a direct outlet near the rig unless I can plug a powerline adapter in a power bar

[pseudo blade]

It's better than connecting to the repeater via WiFi, but not generally much better than connecting directly without a repeater at all.

Unless your wireless adapter is garbage, in which case... replace it

[simple night]

Idk if it's garbage or not I'm assuming it probably is cause it's the ones from service provider

[magic owl]

i have two networks on my router, and my computer is connected via ethernet and i want to connect to the other network. how do i do so?

or am i just being stupid 😭

cause i have a computer connected to the 5GHz network via an AP, and my laptop is connected to the router via ethernet. trying to ping the other computer shows no result and windows shows im connected to what would be the 2.4GHz network

[marsh oracle]

I dont know your router to begin with,
but some allow to bridge the two networks together, or at least add a static route that clients on one network know how to get to the other network

[magic owl]

okay yeah a static route is what i want since i dont want to merge the 2 networks

i dont know exactly a lot about networking yet so some help here would be nice

the router is a Linksys something

[marsh oracle]

if your wifi network is 192.168.2.0/24 and your LAN network is 192.168.1.0/24, and you want to enter the static route for WIfi to access LAN it would probably be:
Name: Wifi2LAN, Dest IP: 192.168.1.0, Mask: 255.255.255.0, Gateway: 192.168.2.1, Interface: Wifi

But thats just a guess, you gotta play around and of course change IPs to your stuff

[magic owl]

okay cool

prolly a stupid question but where do i find the IPs for each network

[marsh oracle]

you already know them, since you've mentioned trying to ping the machine or so

[magic owl]

so i would put the static IP of each computer?

[marsh oracle]

on a windows computer you can run the command prompt and enter "ipconfig/all"
on Linux, open a shell and enter "ip ad" that'll probably show your IPs too, "ifconfig" also does that

yes you could just add a static route to the other network for just a static IP too, in that case you need a subnet mask of 255.255.255.255 (/32, single host) instead of 255.255.255.0 (/24 network)

192.168.2.115 would be your client on a /24 network, with a subnetmask of 255.255.255.0
its network would be 192.168.2.0 with a subnetmask of 255.255.255.0

[magic owl]

im stuck trying to set my laptop's static IP cause im getting this

[marsh oracle]

I think you should leave it be and keep the DHCP (gets IP automatically from DHCP server)

[magic owl]

as DHCP?

alr

[magic owl]

okay so back to this

i need LAN to access WiFi

im not quite understanding what to input

from my understanding, gateway is my router's IP?

okay so update

i ended up merging the networks into one, and now the "server" computer can ping my laptop, but my laptop cannot ping the "server" computer

im assuming the AP that the server computer is connected to is blocking the incoming ping

[marsh oracle]

I think the other computers network profile is "public" and not "private" and thus blocking ping

[magic owl]

both are set to private

[marsh oracle]

then I currently dont know, if everything else is alright

[gloomy flicker]

I just enabled ipv6 on my router to try and overcome ipv4 cgnat, the WAN IP that I see in my router doesn't seems to match the IP I see if I go to:
https://test-ipv6.com/ or any similar site.
Does that mean I'm behind cgnat in ipv6 too? sounds like a stupid thing to do so not sure.

[onyx pine]

recommended vpns to port forward on starlink, trying to setup a game server

[peak cloak]

Ipv6 deployments often work in a different way

There is no nat on router, the router wan IP will be different than your client device

The router gets assigned a block of IPs, and then the LAN devices use those

[gloomy flicker]

By that you refer to the default ipv6 gateway?
This is what I have in the router. When I try to access locally my public ipv6 it goes to the server correctly, but if I try to do the same on another device on the network it doesn't load it, so wasn't really sure if I'm not using the correct IP or something else.
First time messing with ipv6, and I find info about it lacking a bit as far as I tried to search and read, at least compared to ipv4 info.

[peak cloak]

If that IP matches your IP in ipconfig the you are good and there is no nat

[peak cloak]

No

[gloomy flicker]

The matching public IP when I do ipconfig is under 'Temporary IPv6 Address'

[peak cloak]

Well depends on the context

[peak cloak]

Yeah that's fine

Means it's working fine

[gloomy flicker]

Ok, well idk, it works now...I just came back home.
I wonder if maybe I just had to reconnect my wifi so it will be assigned ipv6 address...should it matter?
If I have a device that can only be assigned ipv4, can it connect to ipv6?

[peak cloak]

No,

Needs a v6 address to access/use v6

[gloomy flicker]

Yeah so maybe I just had to reconnect the wifi so it will be assigned ipv6... 🤨

Anyhow, that works now

[peak cloak]

Are you using SLAAC or DHCPv6 for client IPs

I would recommend using SLAAC which should be default

And everything supports it

[gloomy flicker]

I have no idea...it's just set on 'Native' mode in the router.
Still need to check on how to do it properly and have it secured.

[peak cloak]

Yeah so it's probably SLAAC, that's fine then

[gloomy flicker]

Thanks! 🙂

[olive plover]

are poE injector/splitter combinations safe for regular consumer hardware? I need to power a regular tp link ac1200 wifi router with less cable clutter

[clear igloo]

Provided you get the right voltage (Ie don't get a 12v output into a 5v device) then yes

Since there are 5v and 12v PoE output splitters

[olive plover]

oh, I found generic one on amazon for like 2 dollars, for comparison, a TP link one is a lot more in my currency

also, does passive/active matter for this application?

I also need to choose some solid quality cat 6A cable for (what might me in wall routings). Any advice on choosing that? Is aluminium cable alright?

[clear igloo]

No! Do NOT use anything CCA especially with PoE

[clear igloo]

Well if you're fine with 100Mb speeds and know the barrel plug works with your router, I don't see a big issue. Active is smart, passive is always pushing power.

[olive plover]

noted

also the in wall routing is different from the poe router one, but very useful

[clear igloo]

Aside the fact that CCA (aluminum) wire is super prone to breakage it basically acts like a inductor with PoE. CCA is also prone to other issues too

interference and other various issues have been known to plague that type of wire, just not worth the risk especially for in wall stuff

[olive plover]

I see, that makes sense. I wonder if my ISP would let me take the copper cable running from my apartment elec. room to my floor, since they usually let us keep the router

also, is there like a mesh wifi alternative that is simple, and works well with 2 Access points? My Neighbours cant even use wifi in their bedrooms

[clear igloo]

Most mesh stuff like Asus or TP-Link should be pretty simple to setup

Just add the nodes in an app I think and they're good to go

[olive plover]

Mesh is pretty expensive , is there a more low tech solution to get wifi to another room, apart from putting a new AP with a new ssid? Also I hope that does not sound too dumb, I know its not ideal but Its better than no wifi

also thanks a lot for the help

[clear igloo]

What do you have now for a router? You could look at Asus AI Mesh or a router compatible with WDS to just become kind of like a repeater of sorts

[olive plover]

tp link ac1200, it does seem like I have a chance of it working https://www.tp-link.com/us/support/faq/227/ . WDS is the exact solution I was looking for

I am going to set this up in 2-3 months, im just planning my network and hence cannot test this

but can you use WDS or something else with an ethernet connection to the central router?

ok nvm looks like I could just use 2 different wifi networks and switch between them

[peak cloak]

Fyi

It doesn't need to be a different ssid

You can set the same ssid and PW and client should autoswitch

[waxen scroll]

I only use oxygen-free pure copper with my speakers

[clear igloo]

But the interwebs will interfere with that then, you need gold plated triple oxide free copper

[waxen scroll]

I get it from monoprice. It's chineseum

[opal pagoda]

nah you need to use silver wires in frictionless vacuum

[clear igloo]

oh boy, I love downloading random rar/zip files off the internet from strangers on discord 😄

[normal blaze]

it miencraft

[clear igloo]

ok? why are you sharing it here then?

[unborn sluice]

It would make internet go brrr

[waxen scroll]

Where my Dooley at

[opal pagoda]

i would guess that he doesent have nitro and this server has 100mb upload limit

[elder vine]

Why has HP made it so hard to download network switch firmware, it doesn’t say anywhere in the HP website, oh btw go to Aruba and it’s there… 🤬🤬

Rant over 😂

[pseudo blade]

Cisco does it because requiring a support contract to get it increases sales of hardware and support contracts

[waxen scroll]

someone has to get paid to keep improving the code

[polar perch]

Hi All

how I can map my house to check if my wifi mesh sattelites are set in best places? I constantly have some internet issues in my daughters rooms and just ordered new 2 sattelites to Netgear orbi system.

And I want firts to check where they should be placed in order to get best coverage

is there any free software were I could plan this somehow?

[clear igloo]

WiFi analyzer on your phone

See how bad the signal is as far as you can get from the main node and then figure out where it's about -80dBm and try to put a satellite near there

[polar perch]

is there any software that can suggest best spots based on me walking across whole floorplan? Got some thick walls and lots of other wifi nearby

[clear igloo]

Nope, not without a good bit of cash invested

[polar perch]

ok, will try first with this.

[clear igloo]

Yah it's either free with some manual and guess work or pay 5+ figures for professional software. For a home I'd take the free + guesswork any day 😛
Who knows, maybe someone knows of free site survey software but I've not seen anything that would do that for free at least

[pseudo blade]

Surely there's enough profit in the hardware alone to do that

It's not like it even uses nicer chips than the Mikrotik stuff I use

[clear igloo]

The small business stuff? Yah but the code is free for that stuff too iirc

[pseudo blade]

The large enterprise stuff is far worse actually and was what I meant

They make tons of profit at sale for removing antifeatures

The small business stuff uses worse chips and worse firmware than all but the cheapest Mikrotik stuff

I'd pick ubnt/Mikrotik over Cisco RVXXX any day of the week, but that's because it is not only overpriced but objectively inferior

[clear igloo]

I wouldn't touch an RV if you paid me to

I'd rather deal with firepower all day every day 😛

I'm talking Catalyst 9K, Nexus 9K, Cisco 8000, etc. for enterprise stuff. You're not finding most of those features in a Mikrotik any time soon or that level of throughput in those chips either for the price

I think, hopefully, the RV line is dead at this point anyway. That thing was a pile of garbage based on flash and other long dead parts cobbled together

[pseudo blade]

Yeah you're not replacing a 9k with Mikrotik but the 48-port switches, ISR...

[clear igloo]

Yah, although software quality on a lot of high end Cisco stuff leaves a lot to be desired sometimes which it shouldn't for that price

I shouldn't be able to crash a box by configuring AAA and having intermittent connectivity back to my Radius or TACACS server, lol

[pseudo blade]

Eh, my point was mostly that there is plenty of money in the sale to cover paying the people who maintain the code, even though they don't, because not doing that makes even more money

[clear igloo]

Yah, and part of that is that bullcrap of you need to always increase profit at any expense which is garbage mentality 😦

[pseudo blade]

The main benefit of Cisco is that they scale huge and nearly everyone with a networking qualification has touched their stuff at least a few times

[clear igloo]

True, and once you're familiar with the CLI (for how long that matters is debatable) it transfers well to other vendors too

[pseudo blade]

other vendors Doubt it hurts that they're all ios clones :P

[clear igloo]

Yup, lol

[pseudo blade]

First huawei box I used - oh hey this feels mighty familiar - Dell, one of HP's I think

All basically the same (except when they're not)

[clear igloo]

Arista and Extreme too
Juniper is different though

but yah, when you have engineers coming and going from lots of the same vendors things star to blend a bit, lol

[naive spruce]

anybody knows how to check what ip a docker container is deployed to

[grave gull]

docker inspect <container ID>

[naive spruce]

thanks that helped

[thick minnow]

i got some carrier-locked wifi routers that work through a sim. i was wondering if is it possible to somehow flash the routers and use them as wifi extenders?

[waxen scroll]

you forget that MSRPs are fake

everyones getting 60%+ off

plus VAR commission, plus sales commission

@clear igloo red pill us

[clear igloo]

don't forget the optic markup 😄

[waxen scroll]

ive never seen one before

i had to look it up

[sinful ice]

am i supposed to use 26awg keystones for 26awg wire? i bought 23awg keystones from home depot, and every device is locked at 93/93.

[clear igloo]

Sounds like you got wires mixed up or not punched down all the way

[sinful ice]

i've redone the connections like 4 times each and its always the same issue.

[clear igloo]

And you're doing the same standard on both ends?

[sinful ice]

yes

they dont have to go to another keystone directly right? im using a switch in the basement where everything branches off, which might be a bad idea, i dont know

[clear igloo]

What model switch? without the keystone do you get gigabit?

[sinful ice]

a tp link sg1008d, directly from switch its 400/400

[gloomy flicker]

I recently tried to find solutions for cgnat. 1 possible solution was ipv6.
It seems to work in general, but that means that clients with only ipv4 won't be able to access, it's not the end of the world, but it is something that I'd want to possibly find a solution to.
When I tried to search for solutions, most of them were tunnels, which I could just implement directly on ipv4, but it's usually not a good solution as I don't want to pay for it and I do plan on having a decent amount of traffic occasionally, which doesn't seems to work with most free plans(like cloudflare).
Is there a good way of doing that maybe?

[pseudo blade]

6ghz and "lots of range" don't really go together lol

Go for an intel AX211 and get antennas suited for your use case and environment. Degrade to 2.4ghz at longer range. That's about all you can do.

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo these IV pumps are 802.11bg

[thick minnow]

Finally got my switch all hooked up

Now I need a poe injector

[faint bronze]

Please tell me those Ethernet cables are temporary. The ends need to be redone!

[pseudo blade]

Yeah I don't like anything I'm seeing there

[unborn sluice]

just change code to wires

(https://xkcd.com/2730/)

[pseudo blade]

Bad termination, sitting on ducting in a roof? The ducting just opens into the roof? Thermals/dust in that situation? That old hardware fails in some spectacular fashion and what happens?

[sage crow]

That my friend is a fire hazard

[thick minnow]

Temporary?

But I just got it done

I have a server rack everything is going in

The placement is temporary

I got the switch from my cousin he said you have to serial in to change settings

[faint bronze]

Temporary as in you need to redo the ends of the Ethernet. Also I don't understand the context of that fully, but yes rack mounting would be better. That switch looks pretty cool!

[thick minnow]

Its a gigabit switch

I got it for free

Here is my router and server rack

If it does blow up before I finish building my rack I have house insurance

[faint bronze]

Nice Dell!

[thick minnow]

Thanks

Its a optiplex sff

I got a intel nic

[faint bronze]

I know the Dell machines by the light blue color. They have blue and orange. I believe the orange can be hot swappable, and blue is not...

[thick minnow]

The motherboard in that one was toast

I ordered a different one and plan on using that one for parts

[faint bronze]

I have used one of those before. I should be able to guess what it is, but I don't remember. It is dual gigabit is all I know.

[thick minnow]

I think it has backup to switch to a backup internet connection

I plan on running a entire server

So I will get cell backup

[faint bronze]

Usually servers in proper networks have dual power and dual lane hooked up to dual Internet connections hooked up in two different directions. The objective is stuff can fail and be fine.

[thick minnow]

Im getting a ups

And a off suite cloud backup

Im also thinking about doing solar

Or a steam generator

Maybe a natural gas generator

[calm crest]

@weak horizon Hello, its me again

Can I bother you for a minute?

I am fnly about to order the switch and I am between those 2, any opinions?

TP-LINK TL-SG1016 v13 and TP-LINK TL-SG1016D v8

[barren basalt]

So could do with some network advice. I want to use an old laptop as a Plex server but it's location might be an issue.

Our router is downstairs, the laptop & my gaming pc are upstairs currently on WiFi.

I can't run ethernet around the house as it's a rental and it would be a nightmare. What's the best (UK available) networking option to get decent speeds upstairs?

Any mesh options that won't break the bank?

[remote fractal]

I don't know how available they are in the UK, but I'd go with powerline adapters if an outlet near your router and an outlet near your laptop are on the same power circuit

[barren basalt]

I was thinking about one of them but I keep hearing very different reports. In the UK we use different ring circuits for like the downstairs, kitchen, and upstairs so they will definitely be on different circuits with a breaker between.

Apparently under ideal circumstances I might get about 160Mbs but will that be enough for about 2 users streaming 4k content?

And that's ideal, I am very very likely to get far slower speeds. The house is small though so WiFi might be a better option.

[weak horizon]

they both are basically identical, looks like the v8 is 1w more efficient which would take years for you to get a ROI, since they're both the same I would get the newer one if they price is right for you

[weak horizon]

Why can't you plug the Plex server into the router and stream to the other computers using wifi? That way you'll get the best possible speed.

[barren basalt]

No space, annoyingly it would be perfect if I could. The router is downstairs next to the TV, but there just isn't any space for a laptop there.

It's an old gaming laptop too so it's not exactly small xD

[weak horizon]

...without doing something really jank i can't think of something better than just using the wifi

[barren basalt]

I might price up one of those newfangled 6e WiFi routers 🤔.
At the very least my BF will be able to stream games to his quest from my gaming pc then.

Then just add a mesh node or whatever they are called upstairs if I need better wifi

[weak horizon]

You could setup a second mini network with your equipment and a single access point running openwrt as the router, but that can lead to double-nat issues and is overly complicated

6ghz is ok if you have good signal, but if there's multiple walls or other things that cause signal loss you won't get any benefits and it could be worse than 5ghz or 2.4ghz wifi

[barren basalt]

True 🤔 I think I should be ok, it's a tiny house, will have at most a radiator and a few pipes in between so shouldn't be too bad. Like the WiFi I get in the room now isn't bad and that's with an old router from the isp

[weak horizon]

mesh is also good IF all the access points are hard wired to the network, if not they add latency and can make the wifi experience worse than 1 access point with bad signal

There's a good app from ubiquiti called WiFiman, you can use it to see what your wifi signal looks like and other specs. Install it, walk around the home and see what the signal looks like, as well as your neighbors signals. If the ISP router allows it you can change the wifi parameters to get better signal using that by itself and possible making a big improvement without doing anything else(I saw a big improvement when I was at an apartment with the spectrum being flooded with neighboring signals). Then you can start looking at better wifi and/or routers, repeaters, etc etc.

If the ISP router won't let you make changes, get a better router. Preferably a separate router, switch, and wifi access points. Going that route is costlier, but definitely betterer.

The all in one toaster/router/switch/wifi/microwave the isp gives you is garbage. If you're old enough think back to the VCR/DVD player days.

[barren basalt]

That's really good advice actually! I'll check it out 😄

I did have a look with a network tool previously and my biggest interference is from a bravia TV next door that just swamps out most of the channels in the 2.4&5ghz range.

I'm hopeful just swapping over to a 6g router would help with that. Plus I can configure it how I like. My current one is fully locked out

Thanks :3

[weak horizon]

I have a family member with a google mini that hasn't been setup for years but is plugged in, that things is constantly belching out signal and jumps channels. It's giving me the same issues.

[barren basalt]

It's so annoying!
I especially hate how everything is now WiFi enabled by default.

I'm 100% certain that next door don't even use the WiFi on the TV. Or even the TV, pretty sure it's in their spare bedroom.

[weak horizon]

Very few products respect the options you select anymore, I have a samsung tv I bought before I knew better and I told it to stop connecting to wifi then I factory reset it, but it was still getting software updates despite saying that it was no longer connected. I finally had to block it and it still is constantly trying to connect.

[native adder]

weird question but i just had my basement renovated, we paid the electrician to put in ethernet ports in all 3 rooms and when the ISP delivered a new router we asked what to do and all we got is a grunt and shoulder shrug in return, if i know where the cables terminate how can i go about connecting them? should i hire someone or try to do it myself

ill take photos of what i think are the end of the cables when i get home but im just kind of lost, the electrician got paid and went ghost

[weak horizon]

Did the electrician label any of the ports?

[native adder]

no

im gonna be honest the guy was kind of a loser lmao

[barren basalt]

Mildly annoying, but if it's just 3 rooms it shouldn't be too bad. Trial & error would work as a last resort. How many ports per room?

[native adder]

the project manager that is, he didnt answer any of my questions

[native adder]

just 1 per room

$4k job and he left no notes or documentation or labels or anything

[barren basalt]

Oh so just 3 runs, not too bad. I would assume that they converge in one place. Are these just wires or do they have the sockets fitted?

[native adder]

wdym by sockets

[weak horizon]

figures, you can do it the cheap&hard way by connecting to each port and seeing if which one gets signal, or you can buy an inexpensive cable tester and do the same thing
https://www.amazon.com/iMBAPrice-Network-Cable-Tester-Phone/dp/B01M63EMBQ/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=rj45+tester&qid=1678715719&sr=8-4

[native adder]

oh thatll be helpful!

[barren basalt]

Are they just wires sticking out of holes in the walls, or are there sockets to plug ethernet cable into

[weak horizon]

$4,000 for 3 drops?!! or was that high voltage and low voltage?

[native adder]

theres sockets yeah

[native adder]

$4,000 for the entire basement, the ethernet was in the original scope of work but he didnt really follow up

[barren basalt]

It should just be a case of finding out where all the wires lead, hope that it's close to where you can put the router and plug them in if it has enough ports.

[weak horizon]

I got one years ago and it's great for double checking my wiring, it's not the best but I can easily find the cable and make sure my punchdowns are ok. One of the best purchases I've made.

[native adder]

okay i know they have sockets on the wall side, if they terminate in just wires what should i do?

[weak horizon]

This is why I tell everyone do not hire electricians to do low voltage.

Get some tools and start learning how to make connections.

[barren basalt]

You would need to fit the plugs to the end of the wires, it's not too hard and you can buy the tool for it on Amazon for cheap

[native adder]

it wasnt me who hired him but since im the households computer science major ive been given the responsibility of fixing it

[native adder]

neat

will see what i can do when i get home, i really want to get this set

[barren basalt]

The tools make it super simple, little fiddly but not hard

[native adder]

i did an IT internship a couple years ago before i switched to computer science and i have done it, ill just need to brush up on what to do i think

[weak horizon]

I'm just a dude who knows computer stuffs and I feel this.
There's a bunch of different ways to terminate. Once you do 1 or 2 you'll be able to plow through it without issues. Since the ports aren't labeled you'll have to trace them to figure out where they're terminated, or not terminated. Like shiny said, if they aren't terminated it's really easy to do it yourself. Just need a few tools, some hardware and you'll be all set. Plus in the future you can do it yourself, it's much easier than people think it is.

[native adder]

i think they are visible from the unfinished storage side so i hope i can trace them

[barren basalt]

Depending on the ways to terminate if you open up the sockets you should be able to see how they have been wired up. It may be easier to just put new plugs on either end rather than trying to match them if you aren't sure.

[native adder]

if for some reason this is beyond what i can do or what i have time for do is there any ideas on how i can find some company or something to do it

im in southern New England

[weak horizon]

hopefully they're terminated a or b and not alphabetically by wire color

[barren basalt]

I last did it about 15 years ago in college but I can assure you you can do this 🙂 get some spare ethernet cable, the tool and practice along to a YouTube video 🙂

[native adder]

okay thanks guys!

[weak horizon]

I'm in TX so I can't recommend anyone, but there are companies that can do it. It'll be extremely expensive for them to come out.

[native adder]

gotcha

[weak horizon]

+1, I worked for an ex-gf's father in law pulling cable for a data center once in 2003, it took 10 minutes to show me how to punch down

[barren basalt]

Strictly speaking as long as the cable layout is the same at both ends it shouldn't matter if you are putting the right colour wires in the right place, as long as it's exactly the same at both ends. You can can make a mistake as long as you make the same mistake either end xD

[native adder]

the cables end at an access hatch for the fuse box, how would i get the cables connected to the router if theres a door there?

[weak horizon]

I get a/b mixed up all the time but I just make sure both ends match. The nic's don't care what wire color you use as long as both ends are the same.

[barren basalt]

Well depends how close you can get your router to it. If your not using it for WiFi can it go in the cupboard with them?

If you are you could run a ethernet cable from your router to a switch in the cupboard.

[native adder]

okay neat

yeah we're using it for wifi

[barren basalt]

All depends how neat & tidy you want it to be. But a few options a lot more now than there used to be when I was leaning all this.

[weak horizon]

you're probably going to need to check each cable for interference as well, I'd be concerned that the sparky ran the ethernet next to the house wiring

[native adder]

oh man he probably did

[barren basalt]

Especially if they used cheap network cable 😮

[weak horizon]

I've seen software for intel nics that can check signal integrity without needing to buy a tool

[native adder]

how would i check how they wired the other end?

would they do it to a certain standard?

[weak horizon]

pulled the plate and looking

[native adder]

yippee

i can do that

[weak horizon]

I've been mentioning a/b, most keystone jacks have a color code printed on them labeled A and B. Like shiny and I said, as long as both ends are wired exactly the same it doesn't matter. If you have, or ever decide to run, grounded/shielded cable there is a correct way to do that so the cable is actually grounded but it's rarely followed and not necessary if the cable is ran correctly.

[native adder]

okay nice to know! ill

im saving that pic

[weak horizon]

the one you really want is for the cable, again the color doesn't really matter as long as both ends are the same

[barren basalt]

Most tools actually have a little guide on! Least the ones I've used have

[weak horizon]

^^^ They do!

[barren basalt]

You just strip the cable back (tool should do that for you) put the wires in the colour coded holes, put in a connector, squeeze the handle and done

[native adder]

Thanks so much guys! I'm screenshotting and taking notes on all of this, really helpful and is definitely lifting some stress off my shoulders

[weak horizon]

I'm kinda surprised LMG hasn't done a video, there are alot of them already out there so it would be a little redundant

[native adder]

I'm surprised it hasn't been a segment in one of the house networking vids

[barren basalt]

Ikr!
But yeah the tools make it so easy, and only fiddly bit is getting the little wires in the holes if you have fat fingers or no nails xD

Now it gets difficult when you have a box of 60 cables, and no labels 😭 but 3 is easy, can just plug one in and go room to room plugging something in to see if it works xD

[weak horizon]

I actually found a really good tip for that. Use a piece of the wire cover to get the strands singled out, then use a philips screwdriver or something with a round handle and straighten the wire out by pulling it along the shaft. Think of it like how someone would use a iron to curl/straighten hair. That gets all the wires nice and straight so they go in a rj45 easier.

[weak horizon]

I did the house and we started with 6 drops, now I have a 24 port switch that is full and I've been dragging my feet to swap in a 48 port. The laundry room redneck network switch closet is going to have so many wires running out of the wall.

[magic arrow]

Hi All, I'm upgrading parent's home with the TP-link Omada platform with a hardware controller and soon adding the house to the mix. Do you think it's worth getting the network controller for 500 devices or 100 devices?

[pseudo blade]

Are you planning on putting 100 access points in your parent's house?

Perhaps if they live in their own personal skyscraper you might need 500

[magic arrow]

@pseudo blade Well at my parent's house they already have 39 total devices " includes wired and wireless". For my home I have about 50 total devices "Wired and wireless".

[clear igloo]

It's not end devices iirc, its Omada devices

[magic arrow]

Oh, I thought it meant end user devices

[clear igloo]

Yah, it's APs not connected devices to the AP 🙂

"Centralized Management: Up to 500 Omada access points, 100 JetStream switches, and 100 Omada routers."
https://www.tp-link.com/us/business-networking/omada-sdn-controller/oc300/

So you're fine with the lower one

[magic arrow]

ok thank you. Do you know of a place online that I can order the 100 device one in the US to arrive sooner than March 22nd?