networking

[astral monolith]

like the distance isn't more than 10ft

[cold forge]

Ah. UTN, from https://www.seh-technology.com/us/

[astral monolith]

but i can't go through the wall because reasons

dongle server?

[cold forge]

what i was have something like this, which looks like it may be discontinued:
https://www.cdw.com/product/seh-myutn-2500-device-server/5185727

Ooof, you can find some on ebay, but they are a few hundred... might not be a feasible solution

[astral monolith]

ah gotcha

i might have to use a cable extender, the problem being my interface might have to be powered from a different source than my system

🤮

[candid glacier]

Make an entire web interface, that's what I did

[rocky badge]

@peak cloak I need to setup my ER-X as a router/IPSec S2S back home

at the most just to circumvent 10 device max from resnet

https://i.ryois.me/qkJez57Lr8.png

[peak cloak]

that's stupid

I mean I only have 3 devices but still

resnet wifi is the same as the rest of campus

[rocky badge]

If I create a SSID here named like DIRECT-24-HP OfficeJet 8025 and changed the MAC do you think they'd know

They have a no AP/router rule

but

Rokus are using 2.4Ghz/5Ghz anyways

[waxen saddle]

Many networks have detection methods for rogue AP’s.

[waxen saddle]

These appear to be MFP’s/printers and even if you join the wifi network, it won’t let you connect to the LAN.

[rocky badge]

I know

Disguise an AP as one so I can have my devices behind a NAT so that way I can have more than 10 connected devices lol

[waxen saddle]

I thought they could still read the MAC addresses in the packet and still enforce the limit.

[rocky badge]

not if its all from the same src MAC

[thick minnow]

can someone with experience in wifi/ portforwarding/ server use help me in dms
or just knows how to enable portforwarding

[fiery roost]

i don't have enough money to buy it

[heavy leaf]

why not just hide the SSID

put the router in bridge mode

let dhcp do it's thing

[heavy leaf]

oh, 10 devices max lol

[shut parrot]

my wifi struggles to get over 200mbps when i have a 550 mbps plan and used to get 550mbps consistently on wifi
and when i plug an ethernet cable into it i still get most of that 550mbps.
it just seems to be the wifi thats the problem

do y'all know how i could fix it?

[drowsy fossil]

what model of device is providing the wifi

[candid glacier]

Try restarting the router

[waxen scroll]

@rocky badge I just installed a FEX with "PAYD" in the serial number

@clear igloo theres your bonus

[clear igloo]

lol

[cold forge]

Yeah, this is the real question. 500Mb/s is hard for a lot of wifi to reach. Wifi is complicated and your session is limited to the weakest link in the chain

[pseudo blade]

It could be environmental factors, like more usage of the WiFi frequencies you're using nearby.

[cold forge]

That too

[shut parrot]

i did and it didnt do anything

[shut parrot]

Uh, ive forgotten the name, its the router that came with virgin's v6 box

oh yeah
and it goes back to normal when theres a powercut in the area and everything flickers for a second

for a bit

but then it slowly gets slower and slower over the period of a month or so

to the point it is now

[pseudo blade]

Could be the router then (or perhaps the powercut also happens to affect what's causing the interference)

Troubleshooting shared frequency is "fun"

[shut parrot]

lmao

i know lol

been dealing with this for months now

just cant seem to figure out whats causing the drop

[clear igloo]

Have you moved the computer closer for a brief period to run a cable? If so does the same issue present itself there?

[waxen scroll]

make sure there's an adult in the room you two

[shut parrot]

Yes

and no the issue doesnt present itself over cable

[zinc bear]

Can anyone please help me with this freezing issue. Its been going on for 2 weeks now and i have tried everything and i cant fix it. I put a clip in here so i can show you what's happening skip to 0:24 to see the freeze happened and its not just on games its everything. https://streamable.com/kpstlw

[pseudo blade]

That tiny little hitch? You're looking for #1027757333117415424

Because it has nothing to do with networking if it happens everywhere

[zinc bear]

how do i contact tech support

[pseudo blade]

You create a thread where I linked you?

[rocky badge]

@peak cloak I caved in

I setup a S2S to my home from dorm

[orchid shell]

is it normal that my internet is horrible just right after a big snowfall

or is my pc and phone just being a fuckhead

because everyone else still has perfectly fine internet but me

and on a speedtest, (cloudflare) download is total shit while upload is as it usually is

[pseudo blade]

How does your internet come into your house? DSL? Cable? Fiber? Wireless?

[plucky crescent]

Hey, am I understanding this correctly, does this: https://mikrotik.com/product/RB750Gr3#fndtn-testresults not actually allow for gigabit speed transfers?

I upped my internet speed to 1200mbps, but I seem to be capped at 500mbps when using this router, and I don't have any weird management turned on as far as I can tell.

[cold forge]

MikroTik is complicated. The very first thing I’d check is your bridges page in winbox and verify that Hardware Offloading is enabled

Generally speaking, MikroTiks perform well if you are using the hardware, and they choke if they have to do much network processing in software. I just encountered that with a network switch today

[plucky crescent]

I only see one thing in "bridge" and it's defconf

[cold forge]

Hmmm… are you running SwitchOS or RouterOS?

[plucky crescent]

routeros

[cold forge]

Hmmm… can you screenshot?

You can post a config, but I’m fairly new to MikroTik and not a expert in reading the configs yet

[cold forge]

Ah! Look at the ports tab

You should see an “H” in the far left column if Hardware Offloading is enabled

[plucky crescent]

yeah, they all do

only 4 interfaces there though, why not 5?

[cold forge]

That’s good, but doesn’t explain your issue

[cold forge]

Is this your internet router? It might keep your WAN link off the LAN bridge

I use OpnSense for my router and mikrotik for internal switches

[plucky crescent]

yes it is my router/switch. I have 1 wireless AP in one port, 2 pcs on the other ports, and a GB switch in the last.

would any of these be raining on my parade?

fq_codel currently disabled

[cold forge]

Oh man, idk. Using RouterOS as an edge device is a little beyond my experience I’m afraid

[plucky crescent]

ah well, thanks for your help anyway

[cold forge]

np

I’d recommend a look at OpnSense btw

I’m routing 2Gb/s to the internet with no issues

[plucky crescent]

is that an alternate OS for this hardware?

or a different intefrace on the PC?

[cold forge]

Probably not for that hardware. It’s a BSD based firewall. I have mine between the Internet and the rest of my network with a single port between it and a mikrotik switch

[pseudo blade]

You need to enable fastttrack

[plucky crescent]

that sounds familiar

[pseudo blade]

Slow Path routing (default) can't hit gigabit

I have a hex, 2 minutes and I'll show you the config options

[plucky crescent]

does that circumvent things like fq_codel?

[pseudo blade]

Queueing was never going to work at gigabit on a hex

CPU is far too slow

[plucky crescent]

ah ok

[cold forge]

@pseudo blade glad someone here knew more than me :)

[pseudo blade]

First, ensure Fast Path and Route cache are enabled in IP/Settings

[plucky crescent]

ah that's got it. Just checked that and found the firewall filter rule for fasttrack, which was turned off!

[pseudo blade]

Then, add a firewall forward rule with the action "fasttrack connection" at the bottom of your rule list.

[plucky crescent]

ran another quick speed test, and getting the same speed as when I bypassed the router entirely.

[pseudo blade]

Yep, there you go

[plucky crescent]

great help, thanks y'alls

[pseudo blade]

Do make sure there is an accept rule after the fasttrack rule for packets that can't be fasttracked

[plucky crescent]

uhhhh

ah yes there is...

[pseudo blade]

That'll do it, assuming those rules are untouched defaults I think they were pretty sane

[plucky crescent]

So if I want to have an edge router that's capable of queueing actual >GB speeds, is that dumb expensive?

[pseudo blade]

You can use switch shaping to get some of the effects and that has no CPU burden

[cold forge]

I have a 10Gb/s router. Expensive? Yes. Dumb expensive? No 😛

[pseudo blade]

Are you running 10 gigabit queues?

Tbh why would you run 10 gigabit queues

[cold forge]

Nah. Queues? And my ISP uplink atm is only 2Gb/s

[pseudo blade]

If you're OK with RouterOS perhaps the RB5009 would suit your needs? It's about 8 times more powerful, though if you want over 2.5gbps you'll be using it on a stick.
Based on the seemingly uncomplicated firewall rules you could probably get away with switch ASIC routing (CRS series switches) but not the queueing, just the speed.

[plucky crescent]

a lot of that sounds way over my head

[pseudo blade]

On a stick = The RB5009 only has one 10 gigabit port, so you'd have to run that to a switch and use it with VLANs for both LAN and WAN.

[plucky crescent]

ahh ok I get that

[pseudo blade]

It has a 2.5gbps port so you don't have to do that if 2.5gbps is fine

They do have plain routers with two 10 gig ports but they cost twice as much again

[plucky crescent]

TBH I should probably get something simpler, I dunno if I am up to the task of learning the mikrotik system

[pseudo blade]

The switch ASIC stuff isn't that hard to do but if you get it wrong and ask too much your speed drops to basically nothing on a CRS because they have CPUs even slower than a hEX (most half the performance or less) tied to a big, powerful switch

[plucky crescent]

I can see it's immensely powerful and granular, but I think that exceeds my networking knowledge

[pseudo blade]

Just because you can do a ton of stuff doesn't mean you have to :)

[cold forge]

Yup. I was having issues because I had a CRS1xx configured wrong. The CRS3xx will do hardware offloading with bridge-configured vlans - the CRS1xx won't, so it was having all kinds of issues

[pseudo blade]

I will say that switch ASIC routing is great and easy to do simply but due to the invisible pitfalls probably not for novices

[cold forge]

took about an hour to figure out how to configure it's switch for vlans and then it was as fast as I wanted a 1Gb switch to be

[pseudo blade]

I'm pretty sure that's fixed in v7

It should be all nicely abstracted away now

[cold forge]

Nope, upgrading was the very first thing I did

running 7.7

[pseudo blade]

I only deal with CRS3xx stuff because the 1xx stuff has other annoying caveats and is no longer compelling due to them

Though a switch with routing and WiFi would be compelling if the execution wasn't horrible

[cold forge]

Yeah, my primary switches are CRS3xx - but the CRS112-8p was like, the only cheap switch with PoE out and also running RouterOS. I guess I could go learn SwitchOS, but it's nice having them all run the same operating system

[pseudo blade]

I'm not a fan of SwitchOS

[cold forge]

I've heard that most people prefer RouterOS

[pseudo blade]

hEX PoE isn't too bad on price if 4 PoE ports is enough and you don't mind it being a routerboard

You even get enough CPU to actually do L3 with fasttrack, though not sure if I'd suggest that for anything needing a ton of bandwidth

[cold forge]

what is "fasttrack"?

[pseudo blade]

Basically it's fast path routing combined with just copying the results of NAT from your first packet to every successive packet in a connection

[cold forge]

I don't know what "fast path routing" is

[pseudo blade]

Have a look at these and see if you have questions after?

https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:IP/Fasttrack

https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Fast_Path

[cold forge]

so right now, I have vlans on everything, with intervlan routing on my OpnSense box - how does layer 3 routing fit into that picture, and what good would it do? I seems that I'd need to assign additional IPs on each vlan for each device, and then they'd route layer 3, IPs etc. directly on the device and not go the the firewall at all, right? Meaning, if i wanted to have security rules between vlans, I'd need to either not route those on other devices, or each device would need the same rules, right?

[pseudo blade]

Basically all tricks to get more routing and NAT performance out of low spec CPUs

[cold forge]

sorry, I'm basically as sysadmin at my day job, I do no networking professionally beyond what what's required for maintaining server infrastructure

which is why i have such a complicated network at home, only way I get to learn 😛

[pseudo blade]

I'm weird and have a background in making Mikrotik hardware do a lot of very strange things

[cold forge]

I'm really liking MikroTik so far - working great for the price

just takes a bit to learn

[pseudo blade]

I've designed (and had to put up with problems in the designs of) lots of Mikrotik hardware up poles and on vehicles over a thousand kilometers away from me up a pole in the Australian outback

[cold forge]

that's really neat!

[pseudo blade]

I designed and packaged a 3 hop wireless point to point network and the contractors ignored my labels and put all of the bridges up randomly

[cold forge]

smh

[pseudo blade]

I had to detect what was on the other side of me on each hop and reconfigure the end I had to talk to it

Don't call me when setting stuff up or whatever, just eyeball it so we can't actually check if your aim was any good

Or you're sticking the right router up the right pole

[cold forge]

sounds like a pain

[pseudo blade]

I had all the configs in front of me and there was only so many ways they could screw it up so it actually only took about half an hour to fix

But it was annoying

For each pair on a pole I could run L2 discovery and you knew what the other device on the pole was within a few seconds

I also set each device up to try to use DHCP on the bridged connections and try to VPN back to a server I had before I shipped them so I could connect to them directly

Mikrotik's l2 proxying wasn't very good at the time and turns out it'd hang after a few pages of console

It's still an issue if you use Dude's terminal feature

[cold forge]

oof

[pseudo blade]

My favourite incident was when my boss overrode my protests and drop shipped a new type of switch to customers that had solar regulation and PoE built in

Every single one we bought from that vendor was defective in a different way.

Even the one I got delivered to me was defective, PoE didn't work

A key customer got one with working PoE but a dead switch chip

I spent a few hours on the phone with an electrician in gradually worsening daylight trying to figure out some combination of shit he had from another job in his car would bring that network online and the end result was we couldn't do it properly but could get a few critical parts to work

There was no further dropshipping.

[cold forge]

damn

sounds like a nightmare

[pseudo blade]

I'd probably dropship a Cisco but not hardware from a random Chinese vendor we've never heard of nor tested promising us the world in a box

Actually if you're paying Cisco prices you can pay to ship it twice. Or just have me be there.

This was great https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Interface/Ethernet#Detect_Cable_Problems

We had an electrician terminate an ethernet cable wrong about three times and I ended up using this to tell him which pairs he terminated wrong

I had a router nearby that supported it and told him to plug his cable into it because he didn't have a tester for some reason

[cold forge]

that's awesome!

[shy spade]

Don’t ever hire that guy again

[thick minnow]

wait wait electricians do networking stuff i thought that wasn’t their job

[thick minnow]

yeah and a person to handle the licensing

[slow tulip]

I have a question

is 41 devices on one network too many?

[opal pagoda]

wired or wifi

[slow tulip]

Mixed

6-7 Wired, the rest are wifi

[opal pagoda]

if all of them were wired it would be compleatly fine but that many on single access point will have significant impact on latancy and speeds
are they smart home devices?

[orchid shell]

#1068014186052980766 it's rogers cable

[slow tulip]

most of the wifi stuff is smart home devices yeah

[thick minnow]

oh no

iot :<

[thick minnow]

depends what ap u are using

there are definitely aps that can handle it but not all

yeah i think unify pro aps and prob like every enterprise ap will be fine

imo iot devices that don’t use home assistant only if you want to and some sort of non wifi con are kinda annoying

[slow tulip]

It is one access point but there are 3 bands

2.4 GHz, and 5 GHz Bands

[opal pagoda]

If you are having problems with latency and speed on wifi devices you could fix that by buying a 2.4ghz access point just for iot devices

[rain patrol]

Is there a speed difference in samba / nfs / http for file downloads locally over lan?

[slow tulip]

alright, where can I get one and how much?

[thick minnow]

@slow tulip do you run something like pfsense or just your router?

[slow tulip]

Just the router

Router, and a switch for the wired stuff

[zinc bear]

i have a 300 download speed and when i tried to install a game on my pc with or without ethernet its still only gets max 30MB/s and i thought it was my pc but i have tried another pc in my house and the download speed is the same 30MB/S does anyone know how to fix this please?

[slow tulip]

That sounds normal

I have gigabit download speed

But it’s more like 110 megabytes/sec when downloading games

Also to clear it up your advertised internet speed is in bits

The actual speed when you download stuff is in bytes

[shut parrot]

300 mbps/8 = about 35 megabytes so that sounds about right

[peak cloak]

Yeah megabits != megabytes

Network speed is in bits

Game downloads in bytes

[shut parrot]

and one byte is 8 bits

[cold forge]

ooo, don't mention such things

I just got my Unifi AP6 Pro yesterday - I'm getting almost 500Mb/s on my WiFi now

I've been really happy with Unifi stuff - band steering, vlan support, etc. With a single AP, I can have

• Home 2.4 Ghz
• Home 5 Ghz
• Guest 2.4Ghz
• Guest 5Ghz
• IOT 2.4Ghz
• IOT 5Ghz

and none of those crappy multiple SSID stuff you had to do with shitty APS "Home_2.4", "Home_5" etc. to separate them all. You just have a nice "Home" and let band steering throw you on 5Ghz if your device supports it and is close enough

[cold forge]

don't forget about nibbles! 😋

ooof, that sucks

[shut parrot]

mhm

[shut parrot]

do y'all have any idea then or is it just the wifi being silly

[rocky tendon]

how do i make sure my internet is on the wifi extender and not the main router

[peak cloak]

Different ssid

Keep in mind an extender at the location of an already weak signal is useless

[rocky tendon]

oh

[cold forge]

if possible, avoid extenders

[waxen scroll]

Avoid extreme too

[clear igloo]

extreme extenders!!!

[lone sun]

What is wdiwifi.sys? I'm assuming this is a driver related to the wifi adapter right?

[cold forge]

why's that?

[honest hawk]

Hi everyone, i have an issue related to networking in my house and i was wondering if someone can help

i have a modem from my isp which i want to connect to a router to make the wifi signal reach a place where the modem's wifi wont reach

i want to connect them to each other wirelessly though , is that doable ?

[pseudo blade]

I assume the ISP modem is actually also a router based on context.

[honest hawk]

by router you mean it has wifi ?

[pseudo blade]

Yes.

[honest hawk]

Yup it does

[pseudo blade]

Yes, you can if your router supports repeating signals/you buy a repeater, but the resulting performance is unlikely to be good doing it because most repeaters only have one radio in them, so they'll spend half the airtime talking to their clients and half relaying it back to the ISP router.

You also will not get speed from nothing, you'll only get performance as good as the extender can get from where you put it.

[honest hawk]

here's my scenario, my main modem is connected via ethernet to my gaming pc, the router i wanna use is only to make my mobile devices have internet, so i dont think performance is gonna be an issue

i read that Access Points need to be connected to the modem via a cable, which i dont really wanna run since its gonna be a long cable and it will not look good at home

[peak cloak]

just a note: you connect them to a router, not modem

[honest hawk]

thats another reason why APs wont work for me i guess

[pseudo blade]

It's a modem-router based on context

A naïve estimate of resulting speed would be to do a speedtest at the midpoint between the ISP router and where you want internet, where you'd plug a repeater in. Halve the resulting speed.

If you want better, you need better equipment

[honest hawk]

its ok, they are mobile phones anyway .. i just want them online

basic browsing mostly

so can i connect the router to the modem wirelessly ?

regardless of performance

[pseudo blade]

Not if it is only a modem

But if it is a modem-router with wireless yes

[honest hawk]

its a wifi modem

[pseudo blade]

Many ISP gateways do

[honest hawk]

fiber modem

[peak cloak]

it's a modem with a router and AP

[honest hawk]

yep

[peak cloak]

I call them all in ones

[honest hawk]

arent all modern modems routers too ?

[pseudo blade]

No.

[honest hawk]

well, mine is at least xD

any clues how do i connect them to each other wirelessly

[pseudo blade]

If you already bought the second router you're likely out of luck

[honest hawk]

its an old one i had sitting in storage

[pseudo blade]

Yeah good luck with that

[honest hawk]

but i thought you implied its doable

[honest hawk]

.

[pseudo blade]

I don't know what you're expecting me to say

Not being able to do this is a firmware limitation usually, not hardware, but consumer routers rarely support it, especially older ones.

[peak cloak]

what are you trying to do?

[honest hawk]

i have my modem in room which is connected to my gaming rig, but its wifi range isnt reaching the rooms on the other side of the house

i want to extend the range of the wifi but without using cables

[pseudo blade]

Did you expect me to say "oh sorry, you caught me in a lie, guess I'll wave my magic GrooveA 52 and wireless away the fact you're using random old equipment you had lying around rather than buying a device intended for your use case"

[honest hawk]

what options do i have (having in mind i have an old wifi router)

[pseudo blade]

Flash openwrt to it

Or buy another router that supports mesh/repeater functionality

[honest hawk]

i mean i am just trying to understand if it was usable for my case thats all, you gave me 2 contradictory statements, hence why i was confused if its doable or not

[pseudo blade]

No, I did not

I updated my answer when provided more information

[honest hawk]

you said its gonna cut the performance in an estimate of half

[cold forge]

guess I'll wave my magic GrooveA 52 and wireless away
please do 😆

[honest hawk]

anyway let's forget about the old router xD

what devices would help my scenario you think ?

[pseudo blade]

A wireless repeater, mesh routers or a router supporting wireless repeater functionality

[peak cloak]

do you have coax in your walls

for TV?

[pseudo blade]

Or as PresentMonkey is getting at MoCA or Powerline ethernet

[honest hawk]

Yeah

[peak cloak]

you can use moca

ethernet over coax

much better than wireless or powerline

[honest hawk]

i will look into that, would a repeater work though ?

[peak cloak]

not well

[honest hawk]

would a range extender work ?

[distant wedge]

Anyone here have working experience with the Netgear GS308EP?

[peak cloak]

same thing as repeater

best thing is using moca to run "ethernet' to AP

[honest hawk]

i see, thank you for you help, you and Meagus appreciate it 🙂

[pseudo blade]

I have used them to do outdoor repeating over a few km, it was good for 30mbps max but the use case was "internet where there is not cellular, for cheap"

They have one radio so it was virtualAPs and their various caveats

[cold forge]

are you talking about magic ones or regular? 😛

[pseudo blade]

Regular I'm afraid

[cold forge]

darn, lol

still neat :)

[pseudo blade]

They're similar to Ubiquiti's Bullet APs but you get RouterOS

I used to use one with a dead radio as a router to do queueing on my family's awful 3mbps fixed wireless connection at the time

[cold forge]

oh interesting

[thick minnow]

idk which chat to ask this is in but does anyone know free webistes or cheap ones thats host websites

[opal pagoda]

do they exist? yes
are they usefull? not really bc of arbitrary limitations that you will constantly hit

you could host basic webpage with github

[pseudo blade]

Wordpress, GitHub Pages, AWS free tier will let you run a small low traffic S3 bucket forever (until you exceed a limit and then it can get expensive) or a small VPS for a year. I recommend the first two if it has to be absolutely free and you can accept their caveats

[thick minnow]

I'll try GitHub since I use it

[heavy leaf]

set up cost limits on AWS if you want to use free tier quotas without worry

[peak cloak]

you can find many solutions for free static websites

github, cloudflare pages, all work well

it's when it's not just a static site that it gets complicated

[candid glacier]

I can make a web server that will host a website

You need a computer though

[zinc bear]

For my internet it says on the package we got it requires a network adapter of 10 gigabit ethernet in my pc and i have a 2.5gbe network adapter in my pc if i buy a 10G Network Adapter PCI-E and put that on my motherboard and plug my ethernet into that will my speeds be better because right now they are so bad

[sacred plume]

Hey. I have a general question. I have been meaning to upgrade the fibre sender/receiver at my church. We have two buildings and they are connected via fibre. I am currently using https://www.ebuyer.com/454177-dynamode-insixtmc100st-media-converter-10-100-ethernet-to-100base-fx-multi-mode-fibre-st-insixtmc100st, but that is limited to 100Mb and we have 250Mb speeds. Anyone have any suggestions? Thank you :)

(We use Unifi products so if Unifi does have fibre converters please link me as I've not found them yet.)

[opal pagoda]

to me it sounds like you have bigger problems than upgrading from 2.5gig to 10gig

[peak cloak]

Get a sfp module and https://a.co/d/eXaYSOK

@sacred plume

Just have to be aware what type of fiber connecters they are

[opal pagoda]

ubiquiti makes this but you will also need sfp transciever for it
https://store.ui.com/collections/related/products/ufiber-activeethernet?_pos=1&_sid=be9f3d15a&_ss=r

[zinc bear]

Could you help me out and tell me what problems?

[waxen saddle]

Define “bad speed”- are you getting 2.5gbit out of 10?

[zinc bear]

my download speed it 90mbps same with upload

[peak cloak]

Are you sure your cable is the right spec

Check your link speed in windows

[waxen saddle]

Installing a 10gb card is not going to help. Is all your networking equipment capable of at least 2.5gb? Especially the router, which can be drastically slowed down if certain features (like QoS) are enabled?

[zinc bear]

how do i check that

this is what i got https://www.bell.ca/Bell_Internet/Products/Fibe-Internet-Gigabit3-FTTH

[peak cloak]

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-determine-wi-fi-and-ethernet-connection-speed-windows-10

[zinc bear]

do you want to know my link speed?

[peak cloak]

Well that's your issue

[zinc bear]

how do i fix that

[peak cloak]

It's probably the cable

[zinc bear]

my ethernet cable?

[peak cloak]

Yes

[zinc bear]

i just got a cat 8 yesterday

[peak cloak]

Something between router and your PC

Assuming both support gigabit

[zinc bear]

i got this one

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07QZDYPSW?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

do i need to get a different one?

ohh shit i fixed it

is that what it should be now

i get like 250-300 now on a speed test but my steam downloads are really slow so im not sure if something is wrong

[peak cloak]

What speed

Steam reports in megaBytes not megaBits like speedtests do

[zinc bear]

mbps

on the speed test

[opal pagoda]

check cable continuity, maybe you have a non gigabit switch in between your router and pc
also what router do you have, router itself might be isp special garbo™️ and not support gigabit

[zinc bear]

https://www.bell.ca/Bell_Internet/Products/Fibe-Internet-Gigabit3-FTTH

i have that one

[opal pagoda]

look at router you have, if it says "model number/name" on it tell me that

also do you have another ethernet cable you can test with

[zinc bear]

i already tried a brand new cable

[opal pagoda]

is the pc directly connected to the router?

[clear igloo]

Can you post a screenshot of the speedtest?

300MB/s is about 2.5Gbps which would be right giving your adapter
300Mb/s though is not right

[zinc bear]

no

[clear igloo]

Capital B is bytes, lowercase b is bits however a lot of ISPs love to CAPITALIZE EVERYTHING making it much harder to figure out

[clear igloo]

ok, that's bits, that's not good

[opal pagoda]

what is in between then?

[clear igloo]

You're about 1/10th of what you're adapter should be pushing at max throughput but even if something is limited to gigabit you should be almost there on speedtest, not that far from it

[zinc bear]

Are isp gives us these pods that go on each floor with ethernet cables on them

[clear igloo]

They gave you mesh wireless pucks then

[zinc bear]

so what do i need to change

[clear igloo]

To get anywhere near 2.5Gbps? Don't use them and wire direct

[opal pagoda]

run ethernet cable directly from router to pc

[zinc bear]

that would not fly in my house lol

[clear igloo]

Like right now they're connected via WiFi, if something is causing interference, even on 5GHz then you're screwed

[zinc bear]

so the only way to get what im looking for is to direct connect?

[clear igloo]

Yes

[peak cloak]

Oh, so you were never Ethernet direct

Using Ethernet to those wireless things is basically the same as just using WiFi

[opal pagoda]

or maybe if you have coax in your house you could run moca

[clear igloo]

Although even WiFi 6 backhaul I would expect a good bit more throughput, I would at least check to see what the pucks are on wireless band wise

[faint mango]

moca is a lifesaver in most cases

[hearty coral]

Yes.

[waxen scroll]

No.

[cold forge]

not only that, they don't train their techs well and then they promise you things they probably don't have the authority to do, like promising that you will get 1 gigabyte of bandwidth

[distant wedge]

I used to work for Bell. You probably have improper light levels

And those pucks Bell gives out are trash

[zinc bear]

how do i fix the light levels

[distant wedge]

forget what I said, I see you said you're using the Bell pods

those pods are trash and will basically cut your speeds in half, they're only intended use is to provide coverage in parts of your home where your signal is low

if you want to take as much advantage of your connection as possible, it needs to be wired

[zinc bear]

So im better off not using ethernet

[meager ginkgo]

^ If you have coax tv ports- the ones that cable boxes and modems use.. you can likely use MoCA to get a true wired system

[zinc bear]

i dont know how to do that

[distant wedge]

no, you're better off having it wired. The pods are trash

It's how Bell makes an extra $5 on your bill every month for rental

[zinc bear]

But the only way i have ethernet is with those pods

[peak cloak]

ethernet to those pods does not mean wired

[zinc bear]

so if i dont have pods i dont have ethernet

[peak cloak]

that's basically just wifi connection

[distant wedge]

It's a wireless extension of your network, it's literally wireless

[zinc bear]

Would this help https://www.amazon.ca/TP-Link-Powerline-Pass-through-TL-PA9020P-KIT/dp/B01H74VKZU/ref=sr_1_18?crid=2AERHLM4TMX8J&keywords=TP-Link+Powerline+WiFi+Extender&qid=1674941794&refinements=p_72%3A11192170011&rnid=11192166011&sprefix=tp-link+powerline+wifi+extender%2Caps%2C80&sr=8-18

[peak cloak]

maybe, probably not. Powerline isn't that great and heavily depends on the electrical enviroment

[zinc bear]

anything liike that that would help

[peak cloak]

moca

ethernet over coax

[zinc bear]

how would i do that

is it hard

[meager ginkgo]

Do you have cable tv/internet ports by the main router and your room?

should look similar to this

[wanton imp]

has anyone seen instead of using a VPN to access NAS, using Cloudflare's tunnel? It looks like it's for sure possible, just haven't had a nas to try it with lol.

[knotty plover]

I wanna show you something very interesting

You see this speed?

it drops to this when using VPN, (not a bad VPN)

just the ISP slowed external IPs

[waxen scroll]

@clear igloo you see a picture of a rack, I see multiple policy violations

[fervent sail]

Looks like my ISP bandwidth limit is completely broken, I only got 100Mbps upload to this server somehow yesterday it spike up to near 600Mbps

qBit managed to push almost 20GB in less than 10 minutes

[heavy leaf]

it is technically a vpn, just with a central coordinator to set up point to point networks with cloudflare, then handling firewall etc with cloudflare
tailscale is another example of the same, but it orchestrates a direct connection (note they had a security flaw recently come to light, I wouldn't recommend them currently). there's a few others, and it's also doable yourself

performance-wise i would expect it to be at the very least higher latency than a direct route

[wanton imp]

Thank you Ian for the info. That’s super helpful especially regarding performance. I was thinking about using that for a few side projects I have, but the VPN will be how I go with at least my storage.

[fervent sail]

The latency isn’t even that high, I use cloudflare tunnel for RDP and multiple web services, I would say it works quite great, it’s just a little bit annying having to run the “cloudflared” command before connecting(only for RDP you don’t have to for HTTP/HTTPs)

[fervent sail]

Serving a lot of non HTTP contents through cloudflare’s network can get your account suspended so if you’re looking for a way to access your NAS and download/upload stuff to it, VPN is probably a better choice

[heavy leaf]

oh let me clarify - I'm sure it works quite well, cloudflare is excellent and has numerous edge locations to make this speedy

the latency will be inherently worse though, perhaps not enough to be bothersome though

[fervent sail]

Still opening a port directly to a service is risky just use a VPN

[wanton imp]

This is excellent to know. I’ll need to read their tos again. I use them for dns, certificates, and webhosting. I don’t want to jeopardize my account.

[fervent sail]

Just put it in DNS mode if it dosent go through cloudflare’s cache it dosent count

[wanton imp]

Latency makes since as your routing through their network instead of directly to your own. A few more hops maybe than it needs to be? Maybe ms of latency depending in connection.

[heavy leaf]

yeah, I don't anticipate it being much in the majority of locations

[wanton imp]

I live pretty close to a hub. Also have awesome internet with great upload so a vpn instead of tunnel makes sense.

Ty all for the info.

[heavy leaf]

I think the most recent WAN show had a sponsor that is a competitor to tailscale, if you wanted a zero-config option

[peak cloak]

what is it?

I'm a pretty big fan of tailscale

[heavy leaf]

i believe it was https://www.zerotier.com

note that tailscale has a comparison of the two: https://tailscale.com/compare/zerotier/

[peak cloak]

ah yeah zerotier

[heavy leaf]

normally I plug tailscale, but...

[peak cloak]

I used it as well, I like how tailscale auth is done however

where it's per user, not one admin which confirms users

[pseudo blade]

You mean the Windows client vulnerability on Windows in November they fixed almost immediately?

[heavy leaf]

no: https://tailscale.com/security-bulletins/#ts-2023-001/

(specifically the update from jan 17)

[pseudo blade]

Yep, that is somewhat poor though it's good to see it has been resolved. Wouldn't have been happy if I was a customer at the time for sure

[clear igloo]

I see corporate violations!!!

[mortal flicker]

how do i access my pc from another pc without using any softwares

i am a shit head when it comes to networking so dont get mad at me if i talk shit

[unborn sluice]

If you need to use a pc without a remote software, you need to be physically there

[main tartan]

Hi there, I was wondering if it was possible to disable the WiFi of the Unifi Dream Router.

Right now I just made two separate WiFi configurations.

I assigned the NoWifi configuration to the Unifi Dream Router, and the regular one to my APs. And just scheduled the WiFi of the dream router to be disabled 24/7.

But maybe I completely missed a setting.

[hardy kestrel]

[peak cloak]

can't you just delete both SSIDs

[main tartan]

Oh wait

I could just remove the Wifi Config for the UDR and make one only for the APs

[waxen scroll]

thank you

[waxen scroll]

yeah, the local facilities also almost always have a no pictures policy

[thick minnow]

So i have two computers

PC A: has wifi
PC B: doesnt have wifi, its connected with an ethernet cable

• same network

Can these PCs still play, Minecraft for example, over Lan?

[waxen scroll]

yep

[thick minnow]

What can i do if they cant (they cant)

[waxen scroll]

windows firewall probably blocking the server from connections

[thick minnow]

But they can if i connect a cable to both

[clear igloo]

wifi profile is set to public most likely

[ripe vigil]

I have a question, if one of my internet cables dont work and i wanted to test my cable, i buy a rj45 cable tester right? Thats what i want to do, but the problem is that my cable's length does 2 stories from the 1st floor to the 3rd floor, in that case, should i buy another cable or is it manageable to replace a rj45 port again?

And is there a rj45 tester that can power itself through 1 rj45 port to see if its not working?

[waxen scroll]

it should not be that hard to replace the jacks. it would be nice if you had the punchdown tool for the jacks so you can try that first

https://www.amazon.com/iMBAPrice-Network-Cable-Tester-Phone/dp/B01M63EMBQ/ref=sr_1_4?crid=A3WS5GI3C8S&keywords=ethernet%2Btester&qid=1675005978&sprefix=ethernet%2Btester%2Caps%2C96&sr=8-4&th=1

something basic like this will tell you if a wire is damaged or in the incorrect position

[ripe vigil]

Ok will check

[ripe vigil]

Is this one good too? https://amzn.eu/d/fD3BBol

Since it also has a rj45 tester that looks like the previous link

[rocky hawk]

I have a weird issue. I was swapping 4090 RTX from one of my PCs (i9 9900k) to a new one (i7 12700k) and suddenly I can't get the wired connection running. It fails with Activation of Network Connection Failed both on 10Gbit SFP+ and 2.5Gbit onboard Ethernet

in logs there is a problem with getting IP address. I've tried setting a static address but it doesn't work

also I can't see this machine on the router anymore

OS is Ubuntu 22.04, router is DreamMachine Pro, 10Gbit switch is Unifi Aggregation Switch, but hooking it up directly to router still shows nothing. No settings were changed, the only thing I've added are a new PSU, a second empty NVMe SSD and that 4090 RTX

update: taking out the 4090 RTX didn't solve the problem, I'm even more puzzled

update: taking out that extra SSD and restoring UEFI defaults didn't help

[marble plover]

not exactly networking but server related...
Is there some windows software to measure a total CPU and RAM use of selected app over time?

[zealous ledge]

DNS server not responding on ALL of my devices at home. what could be causing this?

[peak cloak]

What is the devices DNS server

[zealous ledge]

i just restarted my router it works now

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo My DNS server in the cloud

[clear igloo]

y u no on prem all the DNS server

[rocky badge]

for at college

[clear igloo]

I know what I said, show them on prem all the things

[rocky badge]

lol

@clear igloo on prem dns from college

[clear igloo]

that's a lot of latency 😦

[rocky badge]

Tracing route to net-services-1.vm.ryois.me [10.88.10.3]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  10.125.0.1
  2    39 ms    41 ms    39 ms  net-services-1.vm.ryois.me [10.88.10.3]

Trace complete.
``` lol

[clear igloo]

one hop two hope three hop four
Drop the DNS on the floor

[clear igloo]

Not bad for over VPN I assume 🙂

[rocky badge]

yeah

[ripe vigil]

does this rj45 reader have a unlimited range? because my cable goes from the 1st floor to the 3rd floor and i wanted to make sure that i can test from bottom to top, because i need one of those rj45 readers that has a unlimited range, i'm pretty much worried because some of the rj45 readers need to be connected onto the same box, meaning that a extremely long cable is useless to those readers, so i wanted to make sure if this one supports the extra long rj45 cables

[opal pagoda]

100 meters max

for 10 gig cat6 is rated for 55m and cat6a is full 100m

[ripe vigil]

just checked my cable, its a cat 5e

[opal pagoda]

100m

[ripe vigil]

ok

[clear igloo]

cat5e can do 10/100/1000/2500 up to 100m
cat6 can do 10/100/1000/2500/5000 up to 100m or 10000 up to 55m
cat6a can do 10/100/1000/2500/5000/10000 up to 100m
cat8 could, in theory, do 25000 and 40000 up to 30m if the equipment to use it actually existed

Now in theory you can go past that 100 meters however the SNR and signal quality is basically a toss up at that point, you're only guaranteed 100m on copper ethernet cables (all else being within spec). Beyond that you could get a few extra meters of length or no link up at all

[opal pagoda]

if you are doing run of more than 100m just use single mode fiber and media converters at the ends

[silk cove]

could someone explain what '1ghz lpf' means. It's on the back of my modem. Trying to figure out how i can get a wired connection in my room

[viral haven]

Hi guys I really need help with a weird bug ill try too be brief
So whenever I connect my pc to the network ping goes ham on all devices including the pc I checked task manager nothing major happining in network and it sucks cause I bought this pc to game and since the day i got it 3 weeks ago im having this problem tried a different network same thing

And it’s immediate as soon as i connect and disconnect ping increase and decrease accordingly

Its really bad u guys

[rocky badge]

@peak cloak Can you change the wlan interface MAC on Omada APs

[lone sun]

🤔 interesting

[lone sun]

On all devices? That's weird. Have you contacted your service provider about this? Gonna be hard to trouble shoot something like that me thinks.

[viral haven]

Its so weird my ping is 70 in codm as soon as i connect pc with wireless or ethernet it immediately jumps over 200 and 200 is the limot the game will show you

On pc it chills around the 900 ping

As for my isp its a 4G provider

They basically will tell me its nothing or did you try an obvious thing

[lone sun]

😕 So is this satellite?

Not sure what you mean by 4g

[viral haven]

No its sim card router

[lone sun]

ah

[peak cloak]

Don't think so

[rocky badge]

hm

[viral haven]

I didn’t even get a word

[lone sun]

😕 Interesting. Never heard of a sim card router before.

[peak cloak]

For a second when you said omada, I thought you meant the router

Which yes, it's possible

The wan

[rocky badge]

but not APs?

[peak cloak]

Doesn't seem like it

[rocky badge]

ok

[lone sun]

😕 So like, what router is this exactly? What is the model?

[rocky badge]

shitty mikrotik it is then probably

[lone sun]

And who is the provider?

[viral haven]

Honestly i think somthing is messed up in windows

Ill try neighbors network and report back if same behavior happens

[lone sun]

🤷‍♂️ You just bought this PC right?

[viral haven]

Yeah it hasnt been over 3 weeks

And the last week and and half I basically downloading games

[lone sun]

🤷‍♂️ So, the router, what is the model?

[viral haven]

Zenfi 4.5G

[lone sun]

It doesn't sound like it handles the allocation of bandwidth well, and/or your provider is the problem.

[rocky badge]

@peak cloak @meager ginkgo How stupid is this

I have an ER-X as a router in my dorm room. Plug hAP ac2 into ER-X's PoE out port.

[peak cloak]

Maybe

[rocky badge]

ER-X is doing ZeroTier back home & NAT Internet from dorm Internet provider

I hide the AP by changing its MAC

[lone sun]

🙃 I can't even find it. You live in a foreign country? Has to be the case.

[rocky badge]

I can change the MAC of the AP to some printer or some WiFi direct device

[peak cloak]

Don't have such issues here

[rocky badge]

I don't have issues besides maxing the 10 concurrent client limit

[viral haven]

Zain fi

[orchid anvil]

Looks not the best but will get the job done

[lone sun]

His router? Are you sure? Because something is wrong somewhere.

@viral haven I don't think simply nuking windows and starting fresh will matter if the PC is brand new. Maybe try updating the drivers? I'd go to the manufactures website, and find the router model perhaps.

[viral haven]

Can confirm tho

Same problem with neighbors

[lone sun]

ah, you mean with the same computer?

[viral haven]

They use an isp that they direct the dish to

Not a sim connection

[lone sun]

So what computer is this anyway?

Whats the motherboard?

[viral haven]

Msi b660m

Thats the ping of the phone before i connect the pc

[lone sun]

Well, you can try updating the driver, assuming its not already up to date here: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B660M-MORTAR-DDR4/support#driver

[peak cloak]

Ping to where

[viral haven]

Please just watch and see how weird that is

[lone sun]

Also, you can check the driver version of your network adapter either in device manager, or by typing this in powershell:
Get-NetAdapter | Select Name, InterfaceDescription,DriverVersion, DriverDate, DriverProvider

[peak cloak]

Just wifi congestion probably

Wifi is a shared medium

[viral haven]

No same with etharnet

[peak cloak]

Connection is shared

It's cellular

Also limited bandwidth, could be congested

[viral haven]

No doesn’t make sense i

I never got a ping below 140 in tyis pc

[peak cloak]

Ok? I doubt it's the PC

[viral haven]

When its the only device connected to the network

When im not sharing

It is

[lone sun]

😕 Could it be his router?

[peak cloak]

I bet its just congestion

[viral haven]

I never saw a 70 or even 90 ping in this pc

[lone sun]

Probably not though

[viral haven]

Yet i can easily do that on the ipad

[lone sun]

He said it still happens at his neighbors house though. And they have a separate provider.

[peak cloak]

To the same server?

[peak cloak]

Idk, not enough details

[viral haven]

Guys when i connect both devices to neighbors same behavior

Less dramatic but same non the less

[peak cloak]

Maybe there is a broadcast storm or something

But again, not enough details rn

[viral haven]

I have been “gaming” on it for a week the bug never went away

[peak cloak]

If you really want to see what's going on could get Wireshark and do a capture

[viral haven]

Ok

[lone sun]

🤔 His motherboard manufacturer going out of their way to not say hardly anything about its network capabilities is a red flag to me.

MSI

[orchid anvil]

Cell networking isn’t best for houses

[lone sun]

😂 Certainly doesn't sound like it is.

I'd be switching providers if I were him. Damn that.

[lone sun]

Its sad that the average joe even has to bother with this.

But, its still puzzling that its still happening on a non-cell network, with his neighbor.

[lone sun]

@viral haven So like, if you type this in below in powershell, what driver version and date does it show?
Get-NetAdapter | Select name, driverversion, DriverDate

[viral haven]

I just un installed and reinstalled drivers and still horrible ping

[lone sun]

You installed them directly from your motherboard companies website? MSI?

[viral haven]

Yes

[lone sun]

😕 hmm

[lone sun]

🤷‍♂️ Well, I guess, screw around with wireshark, but like the other dude said, cell network isn't really ideal, which makes 100% sense........at least until you get to your neighbors house, which still kind of points back to the motherboard. Maybe the motherboards network adapters aren't that great perhaps.

[lone sun]

Which STILL doesn't explain how its fucking with other devices. 😫

[viral haven]

I have no idea what it is but okay

[lone sun]

You mean wireshark?

[viral haven]

Yes

[lone sun]

Its, what they call a packet sniffing tool. Monitors your devices, or your network's traffic.

I haven't used it in years.

[viral haven]

So what is the best linux distro for gaming 🪦

[lone sun]

🤷‍♂️ I don't know much about linux. But, you said your neighbors network works via satellite right?

[tidal frost]

There Isnt really a best one for gaming afaik. Its all the same tools, some distros just might have em pre installed. Distro hop a bit, find a flavor you like, then make it game

[candid glacier]

Linux mint

[unborn sluice]

cisco ios

[pseudo blade]

If you care about Wave 2 it won't do it but the ac3 or apparently ax2 will, but as a cheap solution for 2-chain 5ghz it works fine and you can edit the MAC on it.

BTW will you be incrementing ttl on your edgerouter?

[rocky badge]

I don’t think the edgerouter can increment TTL without turning off hwoffload

[pseudo blade]

Can it keep up without offloading, perhaps? I don't know what kinds of speeds you expect.

Else they might not notice, not sure how much effort they'd actually put in to catch people

[reef phoenix]

can someone help me? Im trying to join my Ubuntu Server on my windows domain using kerberos but It doesnt seem to work

Ive been trying to fix it for two weeks now but I still dont know what the issue is on it : (
Im starting to loose hope on it, please

it keeps giving me the error:
realm: Couldn't join realm: Insufficient permissions to join the domain

[shy spade]

None

[reef phoenix]

the one which you are most familiar with

[peak cloak]

that means the user creds you are using don't have permissions

usually the creds to be able to join are admin accounts

[reef phoenix]

@peak cloak
I understand that, I entered this command:
realm join --user=administrator internal.udc-studios.com

as far as I understand it, it should work like this right? this is the domain admin right? Im asking because I created a user on the ubuntu server also called administrator as well

[tawdry fern]

guys im looking to get an ethernet cable for my wifi

im using a powerline atm and ill be hooking up my cable from the powerline to my pc

It seems as if I require a 10m cable for it to reach my PC

will the length of the cable affect my network performance?

[clear igloo]

Nope

[meager ginkgo]

No but have you looked into MoCA? It might be a better option than running ethernet (if you have to run it across baseboards etc)

[pseudo blade]

Not at 10 meters no

[opal pagoda]

nothing except fiber is better than just running cat6a

[meager ginkgo]

I agree but in some situations MoCA will be just as good for a person’s needs

and they don’t have to have a tacky cable running along somewhere

[raw galleon]

Hi all, I just got an Asus XT8 router and for a couple of hours now, I can't get it online, I have no idea what to do.
After setting it up in the Android app, where I set SSID, login and password to the router, I was able to connect to all SSID I've created, so wi-fi is working well.
But I can't get online, the ethernet cable is connected from a Huawei modem to XT8, but no connection, so I called ISP, and they gave me PPPoE settings, which is a username, and a password which I was able to use, but there are also two other details where I have no idea how to use them and this may be blocking access for me, this is VDSL(FTTC/FTTH)VLAN ID: 10 and ADSL(NGB): VPI:8 VCI: 35.
Would anyone be able to help me?

[frosty oasis]

hi there, other version of networking, but if anyone is in greater Seattle area and looking for an entry level SOC analyst, then feel free to DM me and I can share my LinkedIn. I have been running a honeypot in Azure and been monitoring it using Azure Sentinel and been working on getting Splunk set up as another SIEM too.

[glacial linden]

Ubuntu, iptables.

Any way to block both INPUT and OUTPUT for -m owner --uid-owner in iptables on ubuntu? I can block output but one of the processes started by the user was able to upload data to a dashboard even after having all output blocked in iptables, and worked consistently. Then I realized INPUT for the user is still not blocked and later matching port rules would allow it (incoming 443/80).

Having the rule -A INPUT -i eth0 -m owner --uid-owner firewallblocked -j DROP in rules.v4 gives an error and iptables fails to restart saying invalid argument, and apparently -m owner --uid-owner isn't valid for INPUT

iptables is annoying to work with...

Anyone got suggestions for good alternatives? Need both powerful and easy to use... ufw is easy but I can't do things like block specific users with it (as far as i know)

[jaunty talon]

I am not surprised that INPUT doesn't work, as it would be quite problematic for iptables to know which users a certain packet would go to, especially if there is no NAT.

[waxen saddle]

Your response almost seems like you don’t know if this is the domain administrator account. Do you know the domain administrator username and password? (Don’t mention PW here)

[south blade]

TMHI on bad side of the house. I've got it hardwired to OPNsense firewall, with router connected to firewall as an AP, OPNsense handling DHCP. Can AP connect to TMHI wirelessly, but data still pass through firewall before going to clients?

I've got metal walls, so I'm trying to find any method to get better speed while I wait for a time when I can build a small shed and put it up high in there and run an outdoor rater ethernet into the house.

[thick minnow]

mby look at power line or if you can run cat6 in an attic or something

[south blade]

power line is underground

[thick minnow]

no no it uses the outlets

ltt actually made a vid on it

[south blade]

OH, the brand thing called Powerline

[thick minnow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

look into it

wireless through metal as you could imagine isn’t great

[opal pagoda]

you could also do moca if you have coax all over your house

[south blade]

no coax here, yet. and the powerline thing would just be temporary really cause there's only 2 decent windows and one is the kitchen where it might get wet and other is opposite side of the house and I keep thinking if it's gotta go over so much romex, to the power box, over a breaker, into another breaker, back into some other romex till it finally gets to the powerline receiver, how reliable is the connection going to be.

[tawdry fern]

Tell me more, I'm interested

[meager ginkgo]

Do you have coax jacks by your router and the location you want Ethernet?

if you don’t know what a coax jack is- it’s typically what a cable box / cable modem hooks up to

[thick minnow]

can someone help me get a minecraft server connected to the internet

[forest quest]

hi guys, is there a way to trick the wifi thinking i am downloading so i dont get internet spike while gaming?

the left is the one with spike, right ones with stable connection while downloading things on steam

[peak cloak]

Why does it matter

That's probobly icmp ping too, which is not known for being super accurate

Just a side effect

[forest quest]

im sorry, what is a icmp ping

[small hinge]

Why are you showing us a graph over time of your ping latencies?

[forest quest]

the left side is normal gameplay ping

which is spiking consistently

right side is a lot of stable, while downloading on steam

which is weird because normally when i play games while downloading it should be more stable

however now when i download, the wifi somhow detects i need consistent connectivity so feeds me more consistent stream

i was wondering if i can somehow trick the wifi into feeding me the consistent stream (which i picture is what is going on on the right side of the graph) while gaming

[small hinge]

QoS (Quality of Service) settings maybe for a particular port range that your game may use?

[tawdry fern]

I'm sure I have it near the router just not the location of my preferred ethernet location

I had a look at a map which shows the setup of a MoCa and I think that rules out the option of having one

and since my house is rented (because I move countries every 3 years) I won't be able to make any major changes to the house

[forest quest]

its just valorant, it is not as disturbing for other games

[fringe saddle]

Hey this isn't normal for ethernet right?

I have my PC hooked up with a CAT 6 cable.

[peak cloak]

What is that

[fringe saddle]

It's through the task manager. Not sure if it really means much

[peak cloak]

Seems fine

[fringe saddle]

Ah okay.

[peak cloak]

Technically that's what Ethernet does

On a small time scale

Sends info in packets

[fringe saddle]

I never checked it out so i thought something was wrong.

[south blade]

No coax here, gonna have to install myself one day but maybe just to one place to use like an HDHomerun device.

[meager ginkgo]

Yeah, that's what I would recommend.. coax is becoming more and more "obsolete" by the year

especially with fiber internet and streaming tv becoming more common

[hearty coral]

😛

[pseudo blade]

Looks like livestreaming bandwidth usage - it downloads a ton of chunks rapidly rather than actually being a continuous stream

[fringe saddle]

Ah okay thanks

[main tartan]

Seems pretty normal. I have the same when listening to Music through Tidal.

[fringe saddle]

Ah cool. Never really saw what was happening in the performance window before.

[pseudo blade]

(Non-live)Streaming is choppier and more spaced out because why not download it 20-30 seconds at a time. Makes Netflix suck on low throughput connections unless you shape it and leave space for other stuff.

[thick minnow]

i find this really interesting, the netflix streaming team is in general pretty good at what they do i feel like they would fix this

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo I wish ITS would stop fucking with Discord.

[clear igloo]

ITS?

[rocky badge]

Cisco umbrella keeps trying to intercept discord files to scan for AV but it just breaks all of Discord media attachments, profile pics, etc.

[rocky badge]

Information Technology Services aka the IT department lmao

[clear igloo]

OH! lol

[clear igloo]

rip

[drowsy fossil]

where I work thats two separate departments

[rocky badge]

https://www.etsu.edu/its/services/

[drowsy fossil]

lucky you

[waxen scroll]

except for static IPs

[dark crow]

yo i have a problem with my ethernet speeds on my windows 10 pc
i get around 100mbps but somehow i get 400mbps on my laptop
keep in mind the router is 5G but i used the same ethernet cable and router for both tests on the laptop and the pc

the same speedtest server was selected in both tests and everything downloads faster on the laptop

i even tried the speed test app but it got worse results

[rocky badge]

lol

[peak cloak]

what's the link speed stated on the windows PC

[dark crow]

the one in ethernet options?
i think it was 1000mbps

yep i just checked

[slow tulip]

Where can I I find a good NIC?

[opal pagoda]

what kind of nic?
1g, 2.5g, 5g, 10g, sfp+?

[slow tulip]

Gigabit

[opal pagoda]

any card with intel chipset on it
like I219-V

[cold forge]

I definitely agree, Intel is the way to go 😛

[opal pagoda]

intel all the way
on wired and wireless nic's

[cold forge]

[slow tulip]

Sure

I just need one for my storage server

[opal pagoda]

why not go for something higher than gigabit?

[slow tulip]

Current switch maxes out at 1gig

I will probably upgrade it soon though

[opal pagoda]

any idea on what your will upgrade it with?

HP NC523SFP if you will get something like mikrotik CRS326-24G-2S+RM

[slow tulip]

The 10G ports would go to my desktop and server

[opal pagoda]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/134331191649
you can get something like this

[slow tulip]

Alright

So I will need two

[opal pagoda]

yea you can buy two if your pc doesent have one onboard

[slow tulip]

My computer has 2.5GB realtek built in

[opal pagoda]

then get just one for nas and see if it suits your needs

you can always get another on ebay, there seems to be a endless supply of them

[slow tulip]

Alright

[thorn yew]

Does anyone here know the most cost-efficient way to get PoE++ (802.3/bt) power to about 24 devices?

Efficient in terms of power draw, power plugs used, ports left over, etc.

Where I work has (or is going to have) 24 unifi access hubs scattered throughout a building.

[opal pagoda]

how many watts total?

[thorn yew]

I don't know, for most of them we're just using a passive mechanical latch that only needs to have power when triggered open. Fail secure, etc.

And then also a door position sensor, and a single basic reader.

Not the one with the touch screen.

[opal pagoda]

why do you need poe++ then?

[thorn yew]

As far as I can tell, it's not pushing out enough voltage to the latch.

We have latches that are clicking constantly when you activate the door.

[opal pagoda]

ah

[thorn yew]

We do have one particular door that is using a separate 24 volt power supply to activate mag locks.

I don't think that one will need Poe++

But pretty much every other door is using a passive mechanical latch that only needs power when unlocked.

Or whatever those things are called. I can never remember.

[opal pagoda]

doesent poe+ already supplies 50-57v?

[thorn yew]

https://images.app.goo.gl/qcLyD1PL4mQhXM4Z7

I don't know how the voltage conversion works in the unifi access hub.

[opal pagoda]

what device are you using on the other end?

[thorn yew]

It may not convert the voltage properly when given lower voltage or amperage.

What other end?

[opal pagoda]

your poe enabled latch or smtng

[thorn yew]

Oh. It's not Poe enabled. It's just 12v.

It's just a regular 12v latch from Hes.

[opal pagoda]

what are you using for poe to 12v conversion?

[thorn yew]

The unify access hub does that.

There are four ethernet ports at the top. One is PoE++ / internet in, and the three others are for badge readers and a single Poe camera.

[opal pagoda]

how many of those access hubs will you use?

[thorn yew]

The terminals on the left and right side, are either dry relay contacts, powered outputs, or powered sensors. Buttons, door position sensors, etc.

Each hub is for a single door.

So 24.

Fun, right?

[opal pagoda]

are you also plugging in that poe camera to it?

[thorn yew]

No, we're not using the camera. Only a single reader.

and it's the reader light. Probably only uses regular PoE.

It's the one without the screen.

[opal pagoda]

USW-Pro-24-PoE has only 8 poe++ ports
so you will need 3 of them, use rest of the ports for main network stuff and spf+ ports on them for stacking them with dac cable

if you want to go cheap but sketchy af way
get one USW-Pro-24-PoE and 16 of these

https://store.ui.com/collections/unifi-accessories/products/unifi-poe-adapters?variant=40285582426201

[glacial linden]

do iptables rules not completely reload when simply restarting iptables?

[tidal flower]

iptables are not persistent if that’s what you’re asking.

There is typically a persistent package for your distro you can run in a boot script.

[glacial linden]

I do have (cant remember what) that saves and loads rules from /etc/iptables/rules.v4

I have SMB working over wireguard with my server's storage mounted as a drive letter on windows. I simply use VSCode to add/remove firewall rules instead of having to use vim or nano or something on terminal. Much more convenient

If I make changes to that file and restart iptables, rules take effect

[tidal flower]

iptables-restore < /etc/iptables/rules.v4

https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-save-iptables-firewall-rules-permanently-on-linux/

[glacial linden]

oh... didn't know that. I thought restarting the service works, because if there was a syntax error in the file, iptables would fail to start

sudo systemctl restart iptables is what I was using

[tidal flower]

Yeah. That doesn’t do much other than possibly flush the table.

Which may be undesirable.

[glacial linden]

So if I restart iptables without using iptables-restore, some default rule set is loaded/in effect?

and everything in the file isn't in effect?

[tidal flower]

Likely not

You could list all loaded rules

And see for yourself

iptables -S

If you’re connected via some muxing shite you can use iptables -S | less to make it easier to scroll through.

[glacial linden]

I did and... the list was weird. Multiple rules, repeating rules, rules that were not in the right sequence as I expected, etc... I expected them to be in the same order I put in the file

[tidal flower]

So I’d suggest flushing your current rules

Then trying a restore from your persistent rule set

That way you know what will be loaded on boot

[glacial linden]

Before rebooting the VM, wireguard network wasn't accessible to a restricted user that I manage using -m owner --uid-owner <username>... Made no sense since the rules allowed it access clearly. After rebooting, everything works as normal

[glacial linden]

I'd say rules load at boot successfully on their own from that file. That command that listed all loaded rules dumped out a 2 MB text file last time which was strangely messed up and everything, now it's 170 KB with the exact order from the file

[glacial linden]

oh also for some reason, iptables fails to start instantly at boot because some networking thing hasnt started yet, so I have a sh script running as a service that keeps starting iptables (and a few other services, like nginx that fails too), until they start working

[tidal flower]

If they’re being loaded via systemd you could just use Requires and After

They’ll delay starts until the dependencies are met

Note that requires will kill the service if the parent is killed.

[glacial linden]

I have no idea if I was supposed to set that up since this is my first webserver, first time dealing with cli-only and first time using ubuntu 😅

Since rules load properly after reboot, what can I do to simply restart all networking related stuff that reboot does? (im on ubuntu 22.04)

[tidal flower]

Oh boy. Ok. Maybe check out the DigitalOcean docs and get familiarized before going too wild.

[glacial linden]

I thought since everything was working it's reliable... Set up nginx as a DoT/DoH/DNS server that all my devices depend on entirely... So if the webserver dies, all DNS on all my devices simply stops working. (SimpleDNSCrypt or Wireguard on Windows, Private DNS on Android)

Just yesterday realized that adding a rule suddenly killed off all access to a user out of nowhere and reboot is the only fix that worked 😂

No idea how much of a mess it's been, that's why ping has been going up slowly from 30ms to 50ms+ since everytime iptables restarts, rules aren't reloaded properly and it went from a tiny 168kb rule file to 2MB+ long rule file...

[tidal flower]

Yeah. Iptables cost compute.

Same with ufw and other firewalls

My current solution is crowdsec and Fail2Ban on iptables.

ufw is network bloat because of contrack

[glacial linden]

I also wrote a py script that filters out logs for 443/80 requests that have "missing server name" or malformed queries, and adding the IP to iptables block list instantly, since only thing that sends http or https requests with a missing server name are annoying bots trying exploits on whatever IP they can find...

That ended up adding over 1k IPs that drop input and I thought restarting iptables is enough for a reload 🤦‍♂️

[glacial linden]

I was thinking of using nftables since that's what i found when searching for an iptables alternative

[glacial linden]

ufw uses iptables itself right? just an easier command afaik

[glacial linden]

Fail2Ban is also one of the things im planning to setup soon

I did make sure I don't block myself or a few friends/family members who use my webserver for stuff 😂 ipv4 whitelist filter, implemented it myself

@tidal flower Do you use Windows too? NetLimiter is one of the best GUI firewall software I could find on Windows and it's surprisingly easy to use and very powerful at that too... Wish there was something like that on linux which could be connected to from anywhere and controlled easily

[thick minnow]

Anybody got any clue why wifi has great speed but can randomly drop for a few seconds?

[lone sun]

Sounds like wifi just being wifi.

If we're talking consistency with good speed. Its going to be hard for an open air signal to remain consistent.

[viral haven]

Even linux couldn’t save my skin 😭😭😭😭😭

[viral haven]

Its not the OS

[viral haven]

I really thought linux was my way out

Please if anyone can help me figure this out ill be so grateful

[young lark]

Hey ya'll! 2nd year from uoft here, studying comp sci and maths! Love to meet new people, so feel free to hit me up and would love to connect! I am into software development and would love to work on projects with ya'll if you guys are interested! also looking for a summer internshiip this summer 2023, so if anyone has any recommendations abou that, it would be much appreciated!

[candid glacier]

Petabyte web server using raspberry pi

[tidal frost]

Hasnt Jeff Gearling done this by now?

[candid glacier]

I haven't

[shy spade]

are you insane

[pseudo blade]

Drink the ocean dry through a straw

A very buggy straw

[granite horizon]

Kinda weird question

Does anyone have a Mercusys AC12G or an Archer C7 and could measure the antenna length?

[tidal frost]

https://youtu.be/BBnomwpF_uY

But its got more bottlenecks then a glass coke factory lul

[sick wharf]

any of you guys can help me my internet connection is bad and idk why
in task manager it says i have 60mbps and it just doesnt feel likje 60mbps

tag me or message me

[slow tulip]

Interesting, setting up my server shows as this over the network on my mac

[waxen scroll]

Yeah... Apple makes servers

[jaunty talon]

Not that much network related, but one of our new ARM64 machines is having a blast compiling code :D

[clear igloo]

code compiling go brrrr 😄

[jaunty talon]

haha yep :D

[slow tulip]

Not exactly

It’s the rackmount version of the mac pro

[candid glacier]

Yes

[opal pagoda]

ampere altra?

[jaunty talon]

correct :)

[opal pagoda]

i have 4 core 20gb ram vps on one and it slaps

[jaunty talon]

yep looks promising, but we will go with 128c instead of 80c :)

[manic cape]

If I want an ethernet wall plate with 4 ports, does that mean I need to run 4 cables down to that port?

[peak cloak]

Yes

[clear igloo]

Yes

[peak cloak]

Although you could possibly put a switch

Ik omada makes a wall plate AP with ports

So it's basically a wall plate switch + AP

[manic cape]

I'm planning on attempting to get my APs on the ceilings of the rooms they'll go in, and then have each room have 4 ethernet ports for devices, just in case

I only want to do it once lol

Dream Machine SE in one room, 24 POE switch off of that, then a bunch of wall ports off of that

[torn lance]

If you decide to switch it bandwidth to the rest of the network will be limited to that of the switch, residentially mostly gigabit. Which would be enough for most, but you decide if you need the speed benefits of dedicated cables to each port.

[manic cape]

What would the alternative to a switch be?

DMSE only has 8 ports on it, I believe

Which would be enough for 2 wall quad ports

[peak cloak]

Well to the uplink speed technically

If you have full access, I'd put in all 4 cables

My home setup is kinda jank, since there were only 2 cables existing from basement to 2nd floor, so I put switches upstairs

[torn lance]

Unfortunately, jank is mostly what I know. I know that my setup is jank, but a perfect setup is not something I can make without some significant research.

[peak cloak]

It's just budget and practicality

Like yes, the ideal setup would be one cable to each port/device, but I don't really need it and switches work. It's not like I'm even saturating gigabit

[manic cape]

Maybe I'm thinking about this wrong then. This is what my plan was for setting up a house

Gold for the router, red for non-POE, green for POE, blue for wireless

Am I missing something in this plan?

[waxen scroll]

looks fine to me

if the AP usage is for internet and not mostly anything on the other switches they can stay

otherwise put them on the switch they need to talk most to

[remote bridge]

https://www.costco.ca/nighthawk-dual-band-wifi-6-mesh-system-1.8gbps-router%2C-2-satellites.product.100799415.html

right now i have this, my internet speed is 1.5gbps, and during speed test my wifi where my pc is is bouncing between 600-700ish

steam download at like 75mb/s or roughly 500-600mbps

[opal pagoda]

do you have ability to run a wire?

[remote bridge]

unfortunately no

[opal pagoda]

do you have coax in your house?

[remote bridge]

i tried powerline and it really did not like my house

[remote bridge]

my service is fiber, if thats what you meant?

[opal pagoda]

no,
do you have coax all over your house?

[remote bridge]

i think i have that in 2 of the room in second floor + living room

[opal pagoda]

bc you could run moca if you had one near your pc and one near your router

[remote bridge]

oh, yeah thats not happening either, lol

if i can run cable like that i might as well just do ethernet

so anyways wifi is practically the only realistic solution for me....any mesh that wouldnt murder my wallet?

or the speed is pretty much as good as it gets? that would be unfortunate.....

[peak cloak]

600mbps is already pretty good on wifi

Really the best way would be wired

[opal pagoda]

i would be more concerned about ping inconsistencies

[remote bridge]

i am not a heavy competitive gamer so its actually not that big of a deal, i can handle a lag spike here and there

luckily it doesnt happen very often

[remote bridge]

damn thats a shame, i might downgrade my internet to save some bucks then......i really cant run wired

[peak cloak]

You can't use the coax ports?

[remote bridge]

its in another room

[peak cloak]

I used to run Ethernet from one room to another before I was able to put it in the wall

Redid my entire cabling

[remote bridge]

i tried that, my kids and cat were constantly tripping on it, so i thought hey maybe ill run it along the ceiling so it is less ugly and not a tripping hazard

nope, cat thinks its a challenge and that motherfucker accepted the challenge

lol fuck

[peak cloak]

Rip

[opal pagoda]

you can run cables behind baseboards

that is what i do

[remote bridge]

that is a game changer, i didnt know those existed

although that means i have to redo all 3 rooms to get that installed......i dont really know if i want to do that lol

[opal pagoda]

idk my baseboards already had ability to have cables behind them

so it was simple task of uncliping them, stuffing cable behind them and cliping it back together

[remote bridge]

i got that basic bitch version, lol, thin solid piece of wood

[peak cloak]

All our baseboards are nailed so it's basically permanent

[opal pagoda]

funny, i have never seen permanent ones

[remote bridge]

well i mean they are nailed on, kind of permanent right?

until you pry it open

[peak cloak]

Yeah? How are yours attached?

[opal pagoda]

here they are held it by these kind of clips

[peak cloak]

Huh

[remote bridge]

honestly, ive never seen it done that way

[opal pagoda]

very simple plastic clips

[remote bridge]

usually are nailed on

[peak cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZTt5yiwS6Y

That's how it's done here

[opal pagoda]

https://youtu.be/LQwuGKcSZPw

[meager ginkgo]

Ours have nails lol

[mellow spoke]

any one has verizon fios ? if so is their router worth keeping or should i get my own

https://www.amazon.com/Verizon-FIOS-CR1000A-Gateway-Model/dp/B0B72BYRD8

this is the router they are providing

i want to buy this one https://www.asus.com/us/networking-iot-servers/wifi-routers/asus-wifi-routers/rt-ac5300/

would like to know if there is much of a difference

[meager ginkgo]

The Verizon will be better than any AC router for the most part.

If you want a better router, you’d need to get something WiFi 6e / 7

[mellow spoke]

i thought wifi 6e was the highest didnt even know there was wifi 7 most of the 6e are above $350 i was thinking if verizon is giving me one without a monthly rental fee why not

[meager ginkgo]

WiFi 7 isn’t really out yet but I believe it’s coming out in March

My advice would be to stick to the Verizon one for now, unless you need more coverage- then I’d go for a wifi 6e mesh system instead of waiting for WiFi 7

[mellow spoke]

@meager ginkgo just want the lowest possible ping / stable connection because i stream from my desktop to the living room sometimes and with cable internet even with 1 gb it freezes at times as strong as my system is and i noticed on a fiber network it was smooth sailing but many ppl do complain about company routers across all isps for some reason im guessing they have some type of throttle on it and aftermarket works operate at full speed

[meager ginkgo]

If you are somewhat techy/are willing to experiment, you could setup MoCA to wire devices to the router without Ethernet cables from router to device.

You need to have cable ports/jacks by the router and the living room though

[mellow spoke]

is moca is wireless device ?

sounds like a hub

[meager ginkgo]

MoCA uses your coax lines to connect devices to the router

The Verizon router has MoCA built in but you would need to buy a MoCA adapter for the other place you want wired

[peak cloak]

yeah, although I don't think you can use MOCA for lan on the vz router

only for WAN input

[meager ginkgo]

According to the PDF spec list you can 🤷‍♂️

[peak cloak]

oh huh

ignore me then

[meager ginkgo]

All good lol.

But yeah MoCA would probably be cheaper than buying a whole new router

if you don’t mind using the Verizon router of course

[mellow spoke]

i will see how it works first like u mentioned wont hurt to try

[meager ginkgo]

Are you renting or in an apartment? Asking because usually MoCA won’t work in those scenarios

[mellow spoke]

each time i read about network stuff i learn something new lol i never even knew what ping was till couple weeks ago

apartment

the way they have it is

there is a box in the hallway rooma

[peak cloak]

what type of box

[meager ginkgo]

Is it a white recessed box?

[mellow spoke]

and each line to a apartment

yes a white box

but its fiber

i thought only cable did that

[meager ginkgo]

Can you snap a pic when you have a second 😛

[mellow spoke]

1 sec

[meager ginkgo]

Wait.. is this in your apartment?

[mellow spoke]

no its in the hallway

[meager ginkgo]

Oh.. I wouldn’t touch that

If someone notices you touching that you could get into trouble likely, haha.

[mellow spoke]

im gonna take a pic of it brb

[peak cloak]

I'm glad verizon isn't doing the whole ONT/Router all in one trend

[meager ginkgo]

Yeah.. don’t touch that

you could probably get evicted 😂

[mellow spoke]

they always go in that room first when i see them installing in other apartments

[peak cloak]

yeah... that's verizon's equipment