networking

[snow elk]

Through wireguard its around 450

vs clearnet

I tested both ways, both upload and download and same results

[dire osprey]

also sorta curious, currently using wireguard through a provider and their overhead is <75mbps out of 1gbps haven't tried setting one up personally yet

[snow elk]

yep im not sure

the cpu usage on the vps doesnt bulge 50%

maybe there is way to turn off or nerf encryption?

like on openvpn, where you could set the cipher to something lighter like blowfish cbc

i am aware that it's not the right thing to do but its an exit through the internet anyway and it upstreams the same AS as my home internet soo

[faint bronze]

Look at the interfaces output rate. Is it pegged at 100% or not? Is the CPU on your device limited at 100%?

CPU being 50% shouldn't be an issue... I would hope. When I done a speed test through wire guard I got within 10% loss of the limit of USB 2.0 which my adapter was connected through. For the CPU usage of that test I don't know, but it was a smartphone from about 3 years ago.

[thick minnow]

@snow elk what is the speed when you ssh into it

o i see sry

wait so you are running the speed test on your local machine and it’s going through your vps right

[gilded ice]

my router is connected to my pc through a 100ft ethernet cable and in the same room as my pc is my tv so i decided to buy a splitter so my tv can also get internet

but my pc is getting 10mbps. is it the cable? is it the splitter?

my router shows a flashing orange light instead of white on that port

[peak cloak]

What splitter

You want a switch not a splitter

[full monolith]

once i had nearly 2tb on speedtest lmao

[thick minnow]

I did 6tb on cheap pre paid sim card 💀

[full monolith]

holy fuck

[thick minnow]

It was on a lidl connect 5G plan. I'm pretty sure lidl connect exists in Germany too

Although I did the speedtests on 2CA lte 15+15mhz

[full monolith]

yea it does

[pseudo blade]

Splitters don't work that way (need one on both sides of the cable to merge/split for two hosts) and also limit your speed to 10/100, use a gigabit switch instead

Even the tiny unmanaged ones are OK for home use and are very cheap

[gilded ice]

Can you just send me an Amazon link or something. I feel so out of touch with networking because I just recently got internet at my house which is in the middle of nowhere

My networking knowledge is very little

[clear igloo]

https://www.amazon.com/Ethernet-Splitter-Optimization-Unmanaged-TL-SG105/dp/B00A128S24/
or
https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-5-Port-Gigabit-Ethernet-Unmanaged/dp/B07S98YLHM/

[gilded ice]

Is that female to female? Because ik some you plug into the router but in my case I dont want that

I looks like it

[clear igloo]

huh?

You take cable from router into switch and then cables from switch into devices

[gilded ice]

Alrifht

[waxen scroll]

nani

[drowsy fossil]

what are you confused about

[soft wolf]

Why do they look so different

[tall zodiac]

there two differant types of faceplates

i am guesing the top one is european

[dreamy whale]

• one of these 24-port thingies
• 9 of these wall mount thingies
• 100m of S/FTP cable
• 100 RJ45 connectors
• a router/firewall
• a switch

Is there something I've forgotten?

[pseudo blade]

Crimp tool? Plenum-rated cable?

Here I'd be forced to use a licensed data cabler who'd usually have/know these things though they usually half-ass the install anyways

[dreamy whale]

Plenum?

[pseudo blade]

Designed for use in your roof, fire-resistant

[dreamy whale]

I'm a data-cabling student and we need wired connections at the gun range so I have a good opportunity to try make stuff

[pseudo blade]

A crimp tool closes the ends of the ethernet cable so it doesn't fall out of the rj45 connectors

[dreamy whale]

Yeah that I have already

Cause school

[dreamy whale]

That's not really needed. The power cabling there is the regular PVC kind cable anyways and we'll run the data cables next to the power cables anyways.

[pseudo blade]

I'd be checking your laws on that one

[dreamy whale]

The municipality employees did the power cabling two years ago, we'll just run the data wires with the existing power cables

We checked and they are regular PVC cables

[pseudo blade]

Yeah that doesn't mean you can just run whatever you please

[peak cloak]

Data right next to power?

Make sure to properly shield it

[soft wolf]

Yes

[wild dirge]

May I ask a question here please or should I go to the tech support section?

[faint bronze]

Maybe.. depends what it is about. Networking, here would be fine. Else tech support.

[wild dirge]

It's about networking, so yes.

Every time I start my pc it queries a whole lot of web requests. I know this because I checked my private DNS and it shows 1000 plus requests in the span of a few minutes. Now, I have about 7 devices on my router, but the bulk of my requests come at the start of my pc and shortly after I login. The thing is most of the requests were legitimate when I skimmed through the query log. It slows those requests after a few minutes though. So I'm confused and I don't know what to do?

[peak cloak]

nothing? it's probably windows and any services getting IPs for all the domains it needs to communicate to

and then they get cached, at startup there obviously is no cache

[wild dirge]

I haven't started any browsers though?

[peak cloak]

browsers are far from the only thing communicating to the internet...

[wild dirge]

Very true.

[faint bronze]

If you are talking about windows yes it is very chatty on the network. I have seen before just after an update 100+ outbound connections. Most all were to Microsoft since I cleaned up startup to be about nothing. I tried to reduce the amount of info Microsoft gets, but clearly now well enough. I think it was about 20 consistent outbound connections without me logging in.

[wild dirge]

Would malware bytes and Kaspersky running in tandem do much to slow down the internet?

[viscid violet]

Where do you buy a crimper?

[faint bronze]

I got one on Amazon, but that is me who orders too much stuff from there and does not do networking professionally.

[willow forge]

good morning guys

[dreamy whale]

S/FTP was the idea

[junior smelt]

Hey y'all, i'm having issues setting up a Asus Hyper M.2 extender on my gigabyte x570 aorus ultra. I have 2 NVMEs in it, and tried seating it in the PCIeX8 and the PCIeX16 and the only way i can get access to both NVMEs is to slot it in x16, and bifurcate it into 4x4. The issue is that my GPU (3080 Ti) is now in x4. And now i'm a bit at the end of my knowledge for troubleshooting this. if anyone has some ideas or could potentially help me that'd be amazing

[pseudo blade]

Not sure how this ties into networking, but what you're looking for is a card that has a pcie switch onboard. Such cards cost quite a bit more.

About 5x the price of said Asus Hyper M.2

You'd use a Hyper M.2 if you had enough dedicated lanes that it didn't matter i.e. a Threadripper or Xeon

You can also just find the combination tied to the first 8 lanes and use only those two ports, or switch to a 2 m.2 slot adapter in your x8 slot.

[junior smelt]

yeah sorry about the wrong channel, no one had any help elsewhere :\ also, i tried seating the Hyper M.2 into PCIeX8 and moving the drives around to see if i could figure out how the lanes were assigned. no dice, every combination gave me only 1 drive or none. so i think i'm screwed on that end. Would you have a link to a card with PCIe switch board onto it, so that i can start shopping :\

[wooden cobalt]

Hello

Can someone tell me if this is possible

Can i use thernet cards from a server from 2014 in my pc?

[unborn sluice]

is your pc from 2014 though

[hardy python]

@wooden cobalt If your NIC has PCIe and your PC motherboard has PCIe, then yes it will work. Any PCI compatible from your PC and NIC will work

[wooden cobalt]

Its pci but it seems to work

[hardy python]

If your PC recognizes the card, then you're fine.

[unborn sluice]

It if works, then you can use it

[snow elk]

nope so good speed test is directly from my home to the vps via the internet (no tunnel)

then the bad one is from my home to the vps through a tunnel

so not through the vps to something else

[thick minnow]

oh

hmm couldn’t tell ya

[light grotto]

any suggestions for an AP that can handle 20+ simultaneous connections (for a reasonable price)? My current router grinds to a halt when there are many people connected and it's not due to bandwidth bottlenecking

[full monolith]

Is this good for 2x2 wifi6?

[gilded ice]

bro got 50 up 1 down

[clear igloo]

Yes, that's pretty good

[full monolith]

Bro vodafone cable in germany is so goofy

[gilded ice]

is that 1000mbps?

[full monolith]

Yea 1gig down 50 up

[gilded ice]

i just realized that's not in English

i thought it was 1mbp lol

[full monolith]

I get likr 1100 max down 55 up

[clear igloo]

lol, almost got me there too

[gilded ice]

where i live the best internet cost $60/m for 6-8mbps

[full monolith]

Wtf

I have 2 of those lines and inpay 80 in total for both

[gilded ice]

and now verizon 5g is at my house and im getting 100mbps

i couldn't be happier

[thick minnow]

You use the Verizon home internet thing?

I thought they only did this in areas with mmWave

[gilded ice]

actually its business

[thick minnow]

The business 5G internet can be sold to people on 5G nationwide?

[gilded ice]

idk the dif because business is more and it's capped at like 100, 200 or 300 based on how much you pay

but home is like pay 1 price get 0-infinity

[thick minnow]

Does starlink work where you live?

[gilded ice]

but home isn't available

[thick minnow]

Yeah and that's only on 8cc mmWave networks

Idk about C-band

[gilded ice]

nope. i have been watching it for 2+ years and ive been waiting for the day it comes but now i dont need it

i pay $30/m for 100mbps

[thick minnow]

That's good

How much upload do you get?

[gilded ice]

they actually give you more like 110 prob because when i pay for 100 i have to get 100 so 10 is a cushion

[gilded ice]

it's weird

in some places i get 15 up but then ill only get like 20 down

in other places i get 100 down and 1 up

right now i found a spot that gives me 100dn and 10 up

[thick minnow]

Yeah it depends

But what about at home

[thick minnow]

Oh okay

[gilded ice]

it is a home

[thick minnow]

I see

[gilded ice]

i live in the middle of nowhere so i dont have the best connection

[thick minnow]

Yeah, I know what you mean now

Surprising that you already have 5G

[gilded ice]

in may of 2020 cell service went to 0 in half my house for some reason

but the other half is like super fast and normal

we think it's the solar panels

[thick minnow]

In Europe I don't even have proper 4G in rural areas 💀

[thick minnow]

Maybe they turned down the power a bit

[gilded ice]

im only getting a -102dBm and 12.5dB SINR

so i dont have the greatest connection

today is raining and it is super good for some reason normally i have a -110 and 7

[thick minnow]

Yeah, upload is the first thing that starts to slow down with low signal

[thick minnow]

Oh wow. Sometimes the 2 LTE bands I have here don't get signal at all, when it is raining heavily.

It switches to 3G and only gets me 16mbps down and 5mbps up.

[gilded ice]

i have to move my router a few inches every few days. one day ill be getting 4g so i move it over a few inches and i get 5g again and then it dies so i move it back

it's a weird cycle

this morning i was getting 4g so i moved it over to a spot which is normally super bad and now i have the strongest signal ever

[thick minnow]

My Huawei modem has a similar thing. If I move it a tiny bit, I get 220mbps down instead of 280mbps

On 4G. It doesn't have 5G

[gilded ice]

my grandpa got a new phone and i saw it was 5g and i did a test and it was the exact same speed as my 4g. ive been trying to get 5g for a while but for some reason they cannot figure out why 5g wont work in my phone

but 50mbps is more than enough for a phone

[thick minnow]

https://tyler-will.shutoffyourinter.net/📸/c8cjlk1n.png It's really bad rn. This is rural LTE so no 3CA b7 tower

[thick minnow]

Probably 5G NSA

[thick minnow]

For most people, yeah.

[gilded ice]

i wonder why so many people use starlink

they made it super expensive to make it only for people who have no options

but still city people buy it?!

[thick minnow]

I would rather use Starlink than the $40/month DSL my house has.

[thick minnow]

lmao

[gilded ice]

like come on give it to people that need it

[thick minnow]

But I have super fast LTE so no need for Starlink

[gilded ice]

before my wireless isp i got last year which was 60/m for 6mbps

i used mobile hotspot and it was BAD and then the last straw was when it stopped working in half my house

i live in the country about 10 minutes from a town so im off in the middle of nowhere but i still get their cell

so i have the privilege of being able to use 5g

but there are farmers 20 miles from people in the middle of nowhere who pay prob like $100/m for sat internet

starlink would be a game changer for them

[thick minnow]

Tell them about Starlink 😭

[gilded ice]

starlink isn't available everywhere

[thick minnow]

Starlink really solved all rural internet problems though.

[gilded ice]

heck it's not even where i live

[thick minnow]

No? I thought they covered all of America by now.

[gilded ice]

what is the current SL speeds

[gilded ice]

oh ur right

never got my email i signed up for 💀

[thick minnow]

It's available here, with 50-200mbps speeds

[limpid lion]

Anyone here that is familiar with mikrotik can help me set up a mullvad VPN connection on one of my subnets? I've followed a guide but I could not get it to work properly

[gilded ice]

does SL limit the amount of people in certain areas to prevent congestion

[thick minnow]

3AT offers uncapped LTE speeds for 23€/month

Which is $23

[gilded ice]

or is it wide open now

[thick minnow]

Probably in areas without a lot of ground stations

I got this last year and put it into a 150€ modem

It's a phone sim so it isn't deprid

[gilded ice]

holy

works in other countries!?

[thick minnow]

Yes but it's not good

The traffic is all routed back to Austria

[gilded ice]

oh 🤣

[thick minnow]

I got a UDR because the wifi in the modems is just bad

[gilded ice]

what cell towers do they use

[thick minnow]

Rn it's 4G with either 2CA 2100mhz [B1] + 1800mhz [B3] (15mhz+15mhz) and 2100mhz [B1] + 1800mhz [B3] + 2600mhz [B7] (15mhz+15mhz+20mhz)

[gilded ice]

yeah but like if you came to the US what towers would it connect to

[thick minnow]

Probably AT&T?

Depends on the roaming agreement

[gilded ice]

no way they info structure in all those countries

on their own

[thick minnow]

It only works in the EU, Switzerland, Turkey, UK and the USA

[thick minnow]

They do actually

In some

Of them.

Three is also available in the UK, Ireland, Sweden, Denmark, Austria, Indonesia, Italy, Hong Kong ofc and Macau

I don't know if I missed any countries.

They used to be in Australia too

https://tyler-will.shutoffyourinter.net/📸/7nv5jbep.png

[glacial linden]

Wireguard Server:
All clients can ping gateway
All clients can access stuff on gateway
All clients can ping each other
All clients can't connect through SMB/SSH/etc to each other. (Everything times out)

Any ideas what causes this?

OpenVPN server on the same VM on cloud, everything works just fine. Created the same rules for both but wg still doesn't work

Edit: Made it work... had to add these rules to iptables.

-A INPUT -i wg0 -j ACCEPT
-A OUTPUT -o wg0 -j ACCEPT
-I FORWARD -o wg0 -j ACCEPT
-I FORWARD -i wg0 -j ACCEPT

OpenVPN doesn't need these.

Tried checking with various tools - traffic doesn't reach clients... has something to do with the server. Weird thing is - if ping works, why does everything else not work

[dreamy whale]

Does anyone know what this cable is called?

It kinda looks like wide ethernet

[peak cloak]

Look up the model # on the pcb

There usually is one

[dreamy whale]

Didn't help

But we found it tho, HSSDC.

[bold drum]

oh my god any netgear engineers who read this: I hate you with every fiber of my being.

[bold drum]

It's basically impossible to replace a fan in their switches. They have a current monitoring lookup table or something insane going on and any other fan will cause and error and stop the switch from booting.

[waxen saddle]

time to sell a microchip to defeat it.

[bold drum]

Never buy netgear again, burn down their HQ. It's the only way to prevent future bad designs.

Even the fan pinout is nonstandard. They have ground as pin 3 instead of 1, rotor lock sensor in the middle, and +12v on pin 1.

[thick minnow]

Which band is it using?

5ghz?

[full monolith]

Juat dont have a iphone xD

[full monolith]

im currently using my by vodafone given router because im to lazy getting something else and i mean it kinda works for now.
But they updated it overnight and now they fucked up the wifi settings and i cant change anything ;-;
Im littearly set to channel 44 80mhz and i was on 100 160mhz before...
littearly gives me a interface error when i want to change shit

💀

i would use my tc4400 rn so i dont have to use this crap but i dont have a better wifi router to use after the modem rn

[soft wolf]

I fucked up

[vapid delta]

gud work bro

[soft wolf]

I fixed it

[bold drum]

WELP. That's fun

I fiddled with the fan but ended up leaving the original in there because netgear dumb and didn't accept Noctua fans, but now the switch isn't showing on the network, despite showing an active link to my other switch. Fun.

[kind cypress]

anyone got experience with ZeroTier?

[peak cloak]

Yeah why?

[last mantle]

very pog

[full monolith]

poggers

[last mantle]

seems fast enough

[full monolith]

i would be totally fine with that tbh

[last mantle]

best part is im hard wired by switch on my desk

[full monolith]

i see

ping would be a bit worse with wifi

and 4 is pretty normal for fiber how i know it

[last mantle]

yeh hard wired just better

[full monolith]

yea wired is always better

i mean if you have the option to do so and you dont its fr super dumb

[last mantle]

true although bad part is when server god down stopping wired working

[dusk saddle]

Wireless is half duplex so yeah, it will always be worse.

[kind cypress]

i solved my bigest problems but i still have a question:
my current setup: Self-hosted Zerotier -> Nginx -> Cloudflare -> client
for some reason one of my clients is shown as offline even though i can ping and ssh into it over the zerotier
I just found out of ZeroTiers existence today so sorry if my question is stoopid

[peak cloak]

that's a weird setup, what's cloudflare for

proxy?

but I wouldn't worry about it if it works

[kind cypress]

i have everything protected over cloudflare

[kind cypress]

alright thanks

[bold drum]

Sleep deprivation is a real killer.

[peak cloak]

Yeah but after nginx?

[kind cypress]

nginx is just for reverse proxy

please correct me if i just said some dumb shit

[peak cloak]

Yeah but it should be cloudflare which points to the reverse proxy

Which points to the server

[kind cypress]

Self-hosted Zerotier <-> Nginx <-> Cloudflare <-> client

am i missing something here?

anyway imma go to bed

i wish yall a gopod night

[pseudo blade]

Peer to peer VPN through a proxy through a proxy to a client

[sudden kayak]

yeah I'm not sure that makes much sense

A/B problem... if you have nginx running somewhere, host the content there. I'm not sure what zerotier is accomplishing except making things slower and more complicated

[thick minnow]

Is have a surfboard sb8200 and a net gear ac2300 I’m pretty sure the ac2300 is limiting my speeds…I have cox internet btw 500mbs is my rated speed…what router would be a good replacement trying to stay in the $150 and below range

[ripe coral]

anyone here able to tell me the difference in coax cables? Ive tried looking online and nothing is matching what im looking for

[tall zodiac]

The main diffances are:
Diameter
Impedance
Dielectric type

[ripe coral]

Well im trying to use MoCA because I have a coax cable running from near my router to my room, im just not sure the capabilities of the moca cable

idk if any of that is written on the cable itself

[dreamy whale]

If I wanna have a private network with subnet mask 255.0.0.0, I have to use 10.#.#.#, right?

Just making sure

[ripe coral]

yes

[thick minnow]

Hey im getting this router since i got it on sale for 55€ since its wifi6 ax1800 does that mean it automatically supports split wifi 2.4ghz and 5ghz at the same time? And does that mean you can still run ofdma with mu-mimo 2x2?
https://www.asus.com/us/networking-iot-servers/wifi-routers/all-series/rt-ax55/techspec/

[kind cypress]

i get an average ping of 29ms pingin my friends so i think it is acceptable

[pseudo blade]

It can run both at once, and yes

Two of the antennas are for implementing 2.4ghz 2x2, the other two are on the 5ghz radio and do 2x2 there

[thick minnow]

awesome thanks

[sudden kayak]

that doesn't account for throughput but in any case the more important thing is that it's unnecessarily complicated and has more points of failure... if you tell us what you're actually trying to accomplish we can probably point you in the direction of a simpler way to accomplish the same thing

[peak cloak]

Yeah, but I still don't understand the point that zerotier is doing

[kind cypress]

dont want to open any more ports

[peak cloak]

if you self host zerotier you have to open ports?

I don't understand

and for cloudflare to access nginx you need to open ports

[kind cypress]

any more

[full monolith]

cyberghost vpn be slaying hard ngl

[snow elk]

Is there a way to manually disable the cipher on Wireguard? getting connection issues

They use chachapoly20

from what i know

[snow elk]

i mean basically any vpn provider uses m247 infra

or liberty global

[full monolith]

idk lol

i never used a different one exept of nord vpn

and i hate nord vpn so much

[snow elk]

well

where are you from, DE?

[full monolith]

yes

[snow elk]

then pick a VPN provider that offers servers in Germany

Very likely that all of them do have service in Frankfurt

[full monolith]

i have servers here tho

alot tbh

[snow elk]

and do you have a cloud gateway at cyberghost or something like that?

oh

you mean as in vpn servers?

[full monolith]

they have gaming servers but i mean idk why i should use a vpn to game tbh

[full monolith]

yea

[snow elk]

i thought you meant your hardware

[snow elk]

cause yes in that case i see the point of using cloud infrastructure instead of your own router

as in virtual gateway

like cloudflare for example

they have their zero trust

[full monolith]

i only need vpn for some streaming things so i dont have to pay that much lmao

[snow elk]

oh so for bypassing geo blocked content?

[full monolith]

i mean why should i pay 20€ for tidal if i can get it for less then 1.50€

[full monolith]

nah just for the prices

instead of 12.99€ for youtube premium i pay like 1.20 or something

[snow elk]

that would require cyberhost or whoever it is to have a dynamic ip pool that always changes

then again the recieving end can also throttle conenctions to ASNs known to be used by hosting providers

i've seen that happen actually

before switching some of my things to AS210718 i had my class announced by AS8708

which AS8708 is an internet provider in romania, they are known for fast residential speeds really

not for hosting

[full monolith]

okay

but still like i dont need my vpn for normal use or whatever i just need it if i want to pay less for some subscription xD

[snow elk]

and i would see netflix crawling my rates to under 1 mbps

[full monolith]

hell nah

[snow elk]

now i fixed it by getting a secondary /30 announced by them just for things like this

rest of my infra is on AS210718

which upstreams as8708 anyways if you were to look on bgp.tools but the actual ips are now announced by 210718 and not 8708 which again is not for hosting, but i had the ips leased from them on a business line

so i mean its complicated

and its so easy to just drop all traffic from the m247 ASN

or have you put and complete 500 captchas

[full monolith]

idk

[snow elk]

i drop most traffic coming from high risk countries in peak hours

russia, khazakstan, china that sort of stuff

otherwise i just ratelimit them

from accessing frontends exposed wide

[full monolith]

i could imagine that china and russia has some goofy aaah traffic

[snow elk]

oh they do dw

the gfw leases an ip from either china telecom or the education network or whatever it was called to scan the outside

belive me or not there is only one ip in my entire prometheus db that connected twice

from china

[full monolith]

wait wait wait

theres telecom in china?

[dull vault]

could someone help me im trying to reset my pc but it wont let me when i try i get the could not find the recovery environment insert your windows installation or recovery media i have tried everything i no to do

[hardy python]

@dull vault You will most likely need to reinstall a fresh version of Windows.

[dull vault]

thats what i want to do but im not the greatest at this and cant seem to figure it out lol

[hardy python]

From a different computer, download the ISO or media creation tool and move the file(s) to the primary HDD or to a flash drive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbGkPYtXtmA

@dull vault Watch the video and follow all of the steps.

[dull vault]

opk thanks you

@hardy python my computer boots up and everything just want to reset it since im giving it away are they a way i can delete windows and everything off of it to make it be ready for the steps in the video

[hardy python]

Once you get to the setup screen for Windows, you're good.

[fresh peak]

does anyone have a recommendation for a first homelab rack server?

i was thinking a used dell r730

[clear igloo]

r730 or r630 are great

[snow elk]

so no one knows how to disable the cipher on wireguard?

[sudden kayak]

that's kinda an inherent part of what it is

why are you trying to do that

honestly these should be pinned:
https://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/66378

[full monolith]

im bored so ill create a 10g speedtest server

wish me luck

[reef fulcrum]

What's the best gaming router i can get for under 1200$

[full monolith]

Get a normal/ high end router instead. Gaming routers are kinda useless in my opinion

Get a xiaomi ax6000 for example

If it just needs to be a wifi router without a dsl or cable modem

[reef fulcrum]

well like i have my download/conversion server that then tosses all my media to the file server but then i have my plex transcode server. So i was hoping to get like my file and plex server on 10GB and the other on 2.5g atleast so i was looking at things like ROG Rapture GT-AXE16000 but i cant figure out if i can just get the ROG Rapture GT-AXE16000 or if i also need to get the GT-AXE11000 as amazon listing makes it unclear and i also wonder if there was a better option out there. as i have probly close to 40 or so WIFI devices in my home as well was 12 or so computers maybe more i kind of lost track

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo @peak cloak

Apogee (dorm ISP) routes 11.x.x.x IPs it gives to wired clients over the Internet

[thick minnow]

is this in ubuntu?

[vast shard]

Now WiFi 6e router are better than regular Wifi 6. You should look into that.

Ping test are weird every time I test it. https://www.meter.net/ping-test/

I will never ever believe what any of these test say because of the Equipment I am using right now. A little tweaking in the right spot will help me navigate faster.

[snow elk]

Speed issues on one end. It's PtP over the internet

[snow elk]

You can also use your provided router but get an access point

Use the ISP one just for routing and access point for wifi

Usually if you disable wifi and all the useless features on them it should do you good

[vast shard]

@snow elk I got a question I am still trying to find an answer for, since I play a lot of online gaming. Does changing the DNS in the router settings provides better Ping in online gaming?

[snow elk]

Nope

The only possible advantage is the load time

Because it takes less to resolve the hostname of the server you're connecting to

If you're using your default DNS provided by your ISP through DHCP, I would recommend setting it to something like 1.1.1.1 and 1.0.0.1 (Cloudflare)

They have the largest network and presence

So it's likely you will have fast queries

But TL;DR: No, changing your DNS will not help with your latency

I would suggest running WinMTR on your PC and set the destination box to 1.1.1.1 and see where the latency increases

[vast shard]

I just did that right now for the load time. I have like three videos saved about it.

[vast shard]

I will look up a Youtube video on how to open WinMTR

@snow elk I will figure out Latency by watching many other videos for my particular online gaming.

[snow elk]

..ok

Do so, but again DNS won't help with online game latency numbers

[vast shard]

I know many other factors can affect Latency like Graphics too. I have been researching a lot

I am still trying to find a video on network Latency

[peak cloak]

there isn't much you can do, most is out of your control

[full monolith]

Imma make a wifi 6e router out of this cause idk what else to do with it

[peak cloak]

server

[pseudo blade]

You'll have to figure out something else to handle your 5ghz and 2.4ghz then

Or do them off USB

And you'll need antennas

Laptops make exceptionally poor wireless routers... They use more power, one band at a time unless you can add more wireless cards and antennas...

One ethernet port unless you use USB adapters, which are not ideal...

[faint bronze]

Wifi 6e? What wifi chip do you have that you can do 6ghz with it?

[full monolith]

intel ax210

[faint bronze]

Good luck, I tried 5ghz and could not get that to work. If you look it up there is documentation on kernel.oeg that states that Intel has a hardware table that determines what frequencies it can send signals out on and it has some way of determining what the country code should be. It uses this to have in hardware a limitation on what frequencies you can broadcast on and that is limited to the client mode not access point mode. Meaning you cannot send a "wifi exists" signal so clients can connect to your AP.

An ax210 will likely also not do 6ghz I never tested that.

[waxen scroll]

trash compactor

[waxen scroll]

yes, the CPU is gonna get pegged on higher bandwidth usage

[peak cloak]

best case scenario..

still a bad server

[full monolith]

A ryzen 5 3350h should be ok for a gig

[subtle estuary]

But still worse the ethernet (:

[vast shard]

Thank You because it a new Chapter in my favorite game and I saw every time I try to do something it responded slowly again.

[vast shard]

When I tested mine it would say 16 Ping is the median up to 18 over here.

[reef fulcrum]

https://i.imgur.com/b3MusMc.png https://i.imgur.com/5UNkI8s.png https://i.imgur.com/uyxYcY4.png

[reef fulcrum]

the issue with my current router is i am losing connection to devices cause im past the limit of devices by like 10 fold that Verizon says it can handle so like everything will be fine for everything but then my wife will get home and it will load a web page but none of the the images if i disconnect a bunch of devices and have her try again it will load everything but i dont wanna have to do that every time myself or my wife leave the house and return for our phones to work or what ever else thats why i am looking into upgrading and if i am forced to do this i kinda wanted to go overboard for fun

[vast shard]

So far all I need is a new modem and network card in my PC to handle 1 Gbps properly

[peak cloak]

how many devices

[buoyant palm]

The 5ghz channel on my router/AP has been failing about once a day. Works again with a restart. Should I be looking at replacing the device or is there any troubleshooting steps I can try before going that route?

The current router/AP is a tplink archer c1200. Logs show nothing wrong. I’m thinking it has to be a hardware issue with the router.

[full monolith]

What speedtest is this?

[rocky badge]

no

it’s macos

[ashen needle]

I'm looking for a simple direct remote desktop solution, how bad of an idea would it be to port forward RDP to my desktop

like is RDP secure enough on its own that that would be ok, or would I need to run a VPN server and use that to RDP locally

[buoyant palm]

Personally I would vpn or ssh tunnel it

[clear igloo]

How badly do you want to be hacked?

[ashen needle]

alright, is there a good secure zero-trust remote desktop server or should I just setup an openVPN server

[clear igloo]

With RDP it's not an IF it's a when
I would definitely do VPN

[ashen needle]

wish this was as easy as it is for remote command line access on linux, OpenSSH server is pretty solid out of the box

[clear igloo]

Yah, RDP is one of those things where it's meant for LAN access where you have more control. Sure you can secure it but it seems like there's always vulnerabilities popping up for it that you would spend more time patching and the headache of constant scanning hitting the server too than just using the RDP

[ashen needle]

seems like a pattern for windows, SMB is the same problem

[peak cloak]

Imo, a good solution is to use tailscale for a VPN connection to PC

Then rdp

[buoyant palm]

Just SSH tunnel if you only need it for one application

[north vector]

yo do any of yall have a recomendation for a hdd for a nas thats about 150~ dollars. im looking at building one and i have my eyes on the seagate exos x16 14tb hdd and was wondering if that was decent, or if there is something better. i figured it would go in this chat but if not than i can post this somewhere else

[peak cloak]

keep in mind you need more than 1 HDD

well not need, but VERY highly reccomended

[reef fulcrum]

Idk little over 40

[north vector]

yea im aware but something that i can also buy later once i actually buy a nas

for now it would just go in my pc

[thick minnow]

I have a fiber question

my isp is coming in January and im wondering if I have to use their modem with its sfp port

im getting a server rack put in later next year

what should I do?

[deft pasture]

Networking 101 question here because it's questioning my 15 years as an IT professional and I'm freaking out. I've been having games (FPS) where my ping is horrendous to the game server. One game it's sub 20 seconds and the next it's 80-110ms. Checked QOS rules and it's fine, I have a solid set up so it prioritizes game traffic over Netflix and stuff. 1/2

Simply put I thought maybe my isp has me on a bad route to some game servers. I tried exit lag and it worked well. But I wanted to find the root cause of all of this. So I started messing around with my opnsense router. Changed my DNS from cloud flare to Google DNS and I played a solid 5 matches in a row and all games were acceptable ping < 35ms. DNS has no bearing on latency does it?????

[deft pasture]

Depends honestly some won't let you. In the case for me I go straight from my ONT to an Ethernet cable because it's required. I can't use sfp. I also have their gateway due to me having cable it the cable box needs internet to download the guide.

[pseudo blade]

Not if it resolves to the same IP.

It could be an ISP routing issue and a coincidence, or the ISP DNS server pointing you to a different server.

[waxen scroll]

@clear igloo first xfinity scam ive gotten

my services are $40/m right now lol

[clear igloo]

Haha, nice

[scarlet isle]

When I'm out chasing tornadoes, my phone has a stronger signal than my laptop, it's pretty shocking how trash they are at being a hotspot

[dreamy whale]

Shopping for Ethernet sockets and I was wondering what's the difference between the red and blue tags? I've seen em before but have no idea what they mean

[deft pasture]

I thought so, im gonna try tonight and see if anything changes

[nimble sable]

how common is 6e btw? i upgraded my wifi to 6e and in searching realized not a LOT of stuff does 6e - there's not a lot of APs for example is 6e not as common right now?

[nimble sable]

what site is that? look nice

[nimble sable]

i swear these scam calls aare getting worse and worse. It's funny for me cuz well, i don't LIVE in the US

[waxen scroll]

I might have believed this if my bill was over 79, but the other red flag is the use of "kindly"

also my phone marked it as spam right after 😄

[nimble sable]

"haha nice try, no ISP would treat me like a human being!"

[waxen scroll]

well "kindly" is an indianism in english. Folks who are native to the US and Europe wouldn't normally use that. It can be a great indicator of spam

[nimble sable]

oh yea thats right. ALso the verb 'intimate' (to mean "communicate")

[untold imp]

The color is only for ethetics, the symbols are there for telling what you are connecting to, computersymbol for data network, phone logo for phone SIP or similar network
cat 5e and cat6 are for different types of network cables

[dreamy whale]

Ethetics?

That other stuff I figured out based on the symbols but I don't understand the colors

[untold imp]

aesthetic
simply if you want red or blue tags, what works best with your environment and such, or choose some other meaning red for production, blue for lab network etc

[dreamy whale]

Oh

All of em are connected to laptops so I guess I'll use just the blue ones and have one slot say CAT.6 and the other have the computer symbol

As I kinda find it ugly having both red and blue

[untold imp]

if this is at a work environment, i wouldnt put any of them in if you dont have matching colors and symbols

[dreamy whale]

I have a 3D printer

I could just put white ones

I still want to cover the hole

[untold imp]

if someone comes after you and need to troubleshoot, its kinda hard to figure out the meening

ye put white ones and then be specific in the patch port number instead

[dreamy whale]

I'm just planing on putting stickers like PK/1-13 and PK/1-14 to show where it goes on the patch panel

[bitter elbow]

Anyone know how hard these are to install if my router is down stairs and my room is up stairs?

[untold imp]

That depends on the kind of keystone patch behind the panel

[peak cloak]

the wallplate is easy to install if that's what you mean

how to route the cables, that's a whole other story and it heavily depends how your house is built

where are studs? any cabinets were holes can be made, etc. etc.

[untold imp]

if its a socket to plug a complete cable in, then its easy, if you need to splice your own cables into it, its a bit harder, not impossible to do yourself but takes some time

[peak cloak]

I discourage using sockets

[untold imp]

ye the cableruns is the hardest part probably

[peak cloak]

punchdown is easier

and reccomended

punchdown on both ends of a inwall run

[untold imp]

What do you mean its easier?
its recommended for in wall runs yes, but easier?

[rocky badge]

@peak cloak I wish we had faster Internet in the dorm

[peak cloak]

punchdown is 100% easier than crimping connectors

[peak cloak]

how much do you get

[rocky badge]

100Mbps

[peak cloak]

damn

not terrible but still

[untold imp]

ye than crimpinng yes, i agree, i menth the sockets with a complete female rj45 ethernet

thats faster than anything else tho

[peak cloak]

yeah, but then you need add a connector

[untold imp]

true

[peak cloak]

150 here in dorms

depends on time of day

or just go to the library and get gig...

[rocky badge]

I don't wanna carry my desktop lol

[untold imp]

Sad when 4g is faster, but at dorms and campuses i get it :/

[peak cloak]

I'm considering selling my PC to my brother and getting a beefy laptop

[rocky badge]

@peak cloak ```
Tracing route to edge-n3rb7zd94hfxtm.ryois.me [192.80.205.22]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 151.141.76.3
2 <1 ms * * 10.0.2.37
3 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 10.0.2.10
4 5 ms 5 ms 6 ms 63-232-25-5.dia.static.qwest.net [63.232.25.5]
5 11 ms 10 ms 12 ms atx3-edge-01.inet.qwest.net [67.14.120.142]
6 11 ms 10 ms 11 ms 4.68.62.93
7 * * * Request timed out.
8 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms bluegrass-n.ear3.atlanta2.level3.net [4.35.1.230]
9 21 ms 20 ms 21 ms bgbk-iring-rtr-02.blue.net [66.38.60.85]
10 21 ms 21 ms 21 ms ab-iring-rtr-01.blue.net [66.38.58.98]
11 21 ms 21 ms 21 ms sv-iring-rtr-01.blue.net [66.38.58.101]
12 21 ms 21 ms 21 ms rc-iring-rtr-01.blue.net [66.38.58.33]
13 21 ms 21 ms 21 ms host-63-135-177-11.twlakes.net [63.135.177.11]
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 27 ms 27 ms 27 ms host-192-80-205-22.twlakes.net [192.80.205.22]

route to home from uni lol

[peak cloak]

I barely use my PC other than gaming

and it's kinda a pain with figuring out what to do with it

[bitter elbow]

Is 250MBPS bad considering my whole family is heavily online using their own pcs for jobs etc and me gaming all the time?

[untold imp]

No, that will probably work fine, gaming is not bandwith intense, it's latency sensitive and the network bandwidth doesn't effect latency in that way

[bitter elbow]

Coool

[full monolith]

Some guy i know broke 900mbps with 4g+

He works for telekom here in germany and has a priority sim card

[thick minnow]

On AT&T you don't even need a priority sim card to get those speeds on LTE

[full monolith]

Bro its germany lmao

[unborn sluice]

Lmao

[viscid ridge]

Thats true, except if the service becomes congested then latency will increase significantly

Eg. If someone is the house decides to download at 250Mbps from torrents etc, then the latency will sky rocket

[reef fulcrum]

https://www.meter.net/ping-test/

[rocky badge]

@peak cloak @clear igloo

Can my university's Cisco Umbrealla stop fucking up Discord

[peak cloak]

What's that

Seems to be converting a url path to some sort of domain?

[rocky badge]

Cisco Umbrella is their dns based web security

[pseudo blade]

Tbh if you're saturating 250mbps with p2p you'll probably also saturate gigabit

[stoic wraith]

Dont really think its the right spot but I wanted to add a third router into my houses network but ill be damned if I remember how I did it. Should just be running a gigabit cable to each and then the part I dont remember was configuration(its a netgear nighthawk)

[peak cloak]

I think you want an access point not router

And yes best is to run Ethernet to each

I think you can set that router to AP mode

[stoic wraith]

Yeah thats what I did last time iirc

[dusty sierra]

Is there an easy way to get the WirelessLAN and Ethernet MAC Addresses from every users Windows PC via an Active Directory server?

..actually maybe I'll just whip up a .NET exe and ask everyone to run it and save the info to a shared network folder.

[wild prism]

Or just run wireshark

[vast shard]

Wifi 6e is not very well known

[pseudo blade]

My previous company had a great tool for deploying and fetching that kind of info but apparently they won't talk to prospects under 20k endpoints now, from 1k

I'd just write a powershell script or whatever, add a rule to execute it to group policy to collect it and then have it post to a little http server or write a file on network storage. Or set up an RMM and let it handle it. Or do nmap scans and grab the client list from your APs and diff the two.

I'd personally look at an RMM tool so you don't have to reinvent the wheel each time you get this sort of request.

[peak cloak]

it is well know, just not in many devices yet

[past solstice]

Hey so, my computer/house has this really weird inconvenience. My apartment has fiber optic and two working Ethernet ports. Ones going to my router one to my PC. But whenever i turn in my PC i have to wait 1-5 minutes for it to actually connect. Is there something i can do about that?

Nothing broken just extremely inconvenient/annoying

[pseudo blade]

Troubleshoot. Swap stuff out, try to find what causes the delay.

I'd just try every possible combination until I isolated the cause, then take the appropriate action

[past solstice]

I mean there's not much to swap out is the thing, it's the wall the cable and the computer

[pseudo blade]

The ethernet ports go somewhere, also why are you not plugging your computer into the router?

[past solstice]

Using the ports on that, and since there's another wall port figured might as well use it. Is that bad?

[pseudo blade]

Well it means you have your computer plugged into a network you don't control

With unknown characteristics, host isolation and hardware

[past solstice]

I mean it's not really feasible to Ethernet across the house so it's that or wifi. Thought it's better

[pseudo blade]

Sounds like your problem to fix. You're currently plugging your computer directly into someone else's network

[past solstice]

Ah, thanks for the "help"

[pseudo blade]

No problems.

[past solstice]

You just told me to swap things that aren't there and fix it myself

Nvm, not sure why I asked

[nimble sable]

thats what i thought, shame, 6e is very useful in crowded places like cities. but like, i have maybe one device that can do 6e, not even my tablet (and from what i gather the new google tablet isn't either)

[nimble sable]

is it not? u cud always run it in the walls?

[past solstice]

Unfortunately I'm just renting so i can't do anything like that 😦

[turbid phoenix]

how good would ~15mbps download ~35mbps upload be (on the 2nd floor)

[thick minnow]

hello

anyone here with experience with WoL and android macros?

[polar berry]

Im working on strengthening my network up

I wont have any issues going from a switch to the routers will I?

[peak cloak]

Well you want it in AP mode, not router

[charred pond]

What are your thoughts about wifi6? Today I compared wifi5 (isp router) vs wifi6(new one). On wifi5 ping while downloading jump to 200ms (speed is ca. 500Mb/s), but on wifi6 I got speed 700+ Mb/s and ping while downloading don't go above 50ms. Have any of you make like bigger project on wifi6 ? for company etc?

[nimble sable]

that may not even be wifi5 vs wifi6 just that the new one has better settings for ping queue stuff

[charred pond]

Yeah it could. But probably those tech like beam forming etc helps too 🙂

[sinful quail]

how much of a difference would it make if i swapped from ethernet connected to my mb to a dedicated network card?

[peak cloak]

basically none

[thick minnow]

my service provider brings sfp straight into the household and plugs it into their modem

I was just wondering If there was anyway I could use a much more industrial modem

or plug it straight into the server or switch Im getting

[peak cloak]

what ISP

because it heavily depends on their config and how they do it

[thick minnow]

this is their setup

dont worry these numbers and stuff are made up

the ssid and stuff

not sure if this helps explain my situation

[peak cloak]

That's not SFP

Fiber is plugged directly into ONT

And it's gpon so you can't just get an sfp fiber module

It's a small little ONT not a problem really

[naive meadow]

hey can anyone explain why when I added a new router to the END of a chain it screwed up a different routers connection that was on a different chain?

[meager ginkgo]

GPON fiber modules do exist actually

[pseudo blade]

I'd be more surprised if you told me GPON copper modules existed :P

But yeah you can get SFP GPON transceivers, though I imagine for most consumers that the hard part of replacing their gateway with one would be finding what module and config are needed

[peak cloak]

yes I know they exist, but the problem is that's you can't just get any ole gpon sfp, but has to be specific to your ISP

[thick minnow]

Hi all, I have like 8 harddrives I want to set up on my network, is the cheapest solution really a NAS?

[bronze escarp]

can i set up a network file share between my pc and my laptop if my pc is connected to wifi by usb tethering to my android device?

[bold drum]

Waiting to see what my new ISP uses. 2 gigabit is 8 houses down now

[nimble sable]

the module would just have to be the one for the correct wavelength right?

[nimble sable]

pretty much id' think yea. if you have the drives you could get an off the shelf NAS that's empty that comess with SW built in

[snow elk]

Why does my very simple rule not work on my FreeBSD box?

/etc/pf.conf

block in all
[...]


[...]
pass proto tcp to xxx.xx.xx.75 port 25565 flags S/SA keep state (max-src-conn-rate 1/1)

Behaviour:

Pass rule applied: can connect

Pass rule not applied: cannot connect

So far so good, that rule is non-existant in the rest of configuration and as per the behaviour it is what's applied when a connection is made on port 25565

Here's the issue:

I've set a condition: if the flag is S/SA (any new connection) then RATE-LIMIT so that a single IP address cannot create a new connection to port 25565 more than 1 time per second

Yet the rate limit doesn't apply. I can run nping xx.75 -p 25565 --delay 0.5 or hping3 or anything but it bypasses the ratelimit

But what's weird is that the packets are marked and I can see them in pfctl -si as being matched by a rule, yet they aren't dropped

(see above for src-limit)

Anyone that knows FreeBSD/Packet Filter(PF) knows what's going on?

Remember, my default policy is to drop all incoming new traffic

[blazing flax]

Hey there, this might be the wrong place to ask this question but I don’t know where else I would lol. I’m in the process of trying to understand different cabling and connector types and their uses, which led me to look more into fibre optic (which I thought was the same as Ethernet until recently). I learned that it has much higher transfer speeds and bandwidth, but that it takes quite a fair amount of power and time to convert electrical signals to optical. My question is, does this make them impractical over anything other than long distance, or do they still have some sort of short distance applications? Unrelated to that but similarly, is it possible to transfer analog data over fibre? I know they work via pulses, so I’m not sure how an analog signal would function.
Sorry for the paragraph, I’m relatively new to all this and I find it really interesting. Any information is appreciated :)

[drowsy fossil]

the amount of time it takes to do the conversion is very very very very short
they are generally quite practical for anything further than about 50 feet.

At my work we connect between the server rack and our cabling rack that contains all our building wiring using fiber

and regarding analog data, theres no reason you couldnt, however analog data is very inefficient, its generally better to convert to digital for sending stuff long distances, and to stuff data into fiber generally requires conversion anyways

[blazing flax]

Okay, that makes a lot of sense thank you. Understanding the practical applications of different cables is harder than I expected it to be lol. Are there any applications for them on the consumer/hobbyist side?

They don’t seem very common outside of professional applications, but I understand if that’s just because they’re not really necessary for most things.

[drowsy fossil]

at home i have 100gbe over fiber between my main pc and my server in another room, and practically i end up with slightly faster than gen 3 nvme speeds (with proper configuration i could get faster than gen 4 nvme speeds)

its highly impractical and very expensive

[blazing flax]

Oh my goodness okay- that’s incredible. At that point who cares about practicality, that’s amazing

When you have a home server like that, are there any real limiting factors for transfer speed outside of better hardware?

[drowsy fossil]

how much time you are willing to spend fixing software is what my current limitation is

[peak cloak]

Well you also need to put in fiber

[drowsy fossil]

that too

[peak cloak]

But once you put single mode fiber you can just upgrade the transceivers to a certain point

[drowsy fossil]

yeep

and 100g is quite cheap at the moment for single mode thanks to the intel cwdm4 modules being under $20 each

[peak cloak]

oh damn

why are they so cheap, I assume datacenters upgrading?

still need a pcie module tho

[drowsy fossil]

probably ye
and ye with those modules the expensive bit is the nic itself

[blazing flax]

What’s the difference between single mode fibre and whatever the alternative is?

[drowsy fossil]

single mode is better (in every metric) but the adapters generally cost more
multimode adapters are generally cheaper but the fiber itself costs more and doesnt have much upgrade potential

[blazing flax]

Okay that makes sense, thank you. What makes single mode so much better?

[drowsy fossil]

short answer physics
long answer i dont know the technicals, but there are videos online
as for the advantages, you get higher max speeds, longer distances, and you dont (often) need to upgrade the fiber when you upgrade the speed

[peak cloak]

the cost difference between SM and MM is not that much these days

[peak cloak]

I believe the core is glass and much thinner

[drowsy fossil]

yup
the only real advantage that mm has now is that really fancy fibers can be made with insanely tight bend radiuses, much tighter than singlemode

[blazing flax]

Okay, I’ll probably look into it then. I like that kind of stuff. Thank both of you for all your help, it’s really appreciated. :)

[drowsy fossil]

both are glass btw

[peak cloak]

ah ok

[deft pasture]

the saga continues it's definitely not DNS lol. Just had a game where I was at 85ms Ping

now a game with 10ms

eh 12ms still good

we'll see what happens next game

next game 30ms still fine.

[tall pagoda]

5 min average in a moving bus going thru a city in the morning:

ISP: T-mobile Netherlands
Testing equipment: iPhone SE (2020)
Testing software: IPerf3
Testserver: speedtest.serverius.net/5002

[bronze swift]

Guys does wire shark show specifically whether or not a device has created a session with my CCTV? I’m just curious if it’s ever been hijacked before

[pseudo blade]

Wireshark is for tracking activity on a given network port on a computer. If the network traffic was for another device and didn't come from you, you won't see anything.

[warm pecan]

1 year late Lamo
The upper one exists tho.
That called the CEO's Hamster cage.
When your CEO or some executive love to show off their pets they will build that kind of NOC.

Basically this

[unborn sluice]

Imagine scrolling back

[warm pecan]

That was pinned so

[unborn sluice]

Imagine replying to message year ago

[warm pecan]

Well:p

[subtle estuary]

Faster then my 5G

[hollow marlin]

@clear igloo @waxen scroll

[clear igloo]

Congrats!!

[hollow marlin]

I can finally take a break now

[sacred zenith]

AnyOne in here-

Do you know why this DNS_Probe_started thing happens~

[thick minnow]

Slow

3CA LTE in a rural area

[thick minnow]

They upgraded the tower to B1+B3+B20 + n28 (5G)

[thick minnow]

N41?

[meager ginkgo]

yes

[thick minnow]

It's SA right?

[meager ginkgo]

not sure I didn’t go into field test

[thick minnow]

Oh okay

[meager ginkgo]

This is my highest n41

[thick minnow]

That's really nice for a band like that

N78 3500mhz but NSA😭

[pseudo blade]

What's the implications of NSA vs standalone?

Does it have performance impact?

[thick minnow]

Yes

And it needs the LTE cells to work

Which means more battery draining

[pseudo blade]

Ah, thanks

[thick minnow]

Oh, and NR CA isn't possible on NSA

[pseudo blade]

Ah

I assume that's because the 5G itself is basically CA in that scenario?

[tall pagoda]

Show it using IPerf3

[thick minnow]

I can do it on Monday

[thick minnow]

CA is basically just at least 2 bands together so they have more speed

There is NR CA on one carrier here, but no phone supports the n75 band.

[thick minnow]

What the hell is that isp lol

[tall pagoda]

Tele2 Sweden

[thick minnow]

I always use Tele2 servers to abuse magenta lte 💀

1000gb files for free

[tall pagoda]

Tele2 Netherlands is part of Magenta/Deutsche Telekom

70% T-Mobile Netherlands, 30% Tele2 Sweden

[thick minnow]

https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/8894749088 quite mid speeds tbh.

Lte can easily be faster than this n78

[thick minnow]

Magenta Telekom is 100% owned by T-Mobile Austria GmbH, I'm pretty sure

[thick minnow]

So does it use the tmobile NL network?

[tall pagoda]

Yes, Tele2 NL had their own network before, but have merged successfully with T-Mobile NL.

[thick minnow]

I bet tmobile gave them plenty of routing issues 😁

[subtle estuary]

Yeah its on the Tele2 network but I'm using Comviq same network but way cheaper.

[thick minnow]

That's probably why it's so slow

These MVNOs are deprid often

Or have a speed cap

[subtle estuary]

Yeah i know its limited to 100mbps but i goes way over that but 100GB for like 17€ a month is a great deal. If I want tele2 as ips ang get full speed that would probably cost me like 50€ a month.

[thick minnow]

3AT does that too. They have 500mbps plans that go up to 700mbps 😁

My 350mbps plan goes up to 450mbps sometimes

[thick minnow]

Not bad

[tall pagoda]

I have Tele2 NL unlimited (10gb/day) + 2GB extra each activation for €25

[thick minnow]

I get unlimited data for 27€/month

In 3 it's 23€/month because of Christmas.

[thick minnow]

With an internet subscription that I don't use because it's only 150mbps (2 year contract so I cannot get rid of it, I just abuse it sometimes)

[tall pagoda]

I am glad with my subscription, it often gets 100+

Why need highspeeds for Discord, YouTube, Teams etc… ?

[waxen scroll]

you dont. my friend brags about his $90/m gig internet and im like "I have 100 for $40/m and its fine"

[thick minnow]

Which and how many bands?

[thick minnow]

A gigabit would be nice tho.

100mbps is "slow" if you download a lot and want to do some 4k streaming at the same time

dawg i’m in australia and get 50 down 10-15up LOL - on a good day

In Austria, I get 40MBPS dsl for $40

But I use a LTE modem so I get 200-280mbps

[snow kernel]

So a family member that lives out in country is slated to get fiber internet by the end of the month(lucky since I live in near small town and can't get it). Anyways, they run a small trucking business and have been making due with very bad end of the line dsl and satellite internet since nothing else was available. I didn't really build their network up since it wouldn't have made a difference anyways. Besides getting a wifi router with mesh capabilities since they do stuff in their basement, what else should I get them. There will be at least 3 computers hardwired.

[thick minnow]

soo um idk how to phrase this but thank you for making me depressed

[meager ginkgo]

😂

[thick minnow]

Pov: magenta telekom when you need it

[tall pagoda]

Still better than NS train WiFi

[thick minnow]

Thx bro

[tall pagoda]

https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/i/4968311522

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo @waxen scroll 👀

@peak cloak

[clear igloo]

Block 443 😄

[rocky badge]

Guest isolation and bandwidth limiter working

[thick minnow]

Fastest internet in Europe /s

[thick minnow]

That's probably because the trains and buses use some cheap mobile broadband that is deprid harder than anything else you can imagine, to keep the costs down.

Big flex

Sad I can’t send pics here

I wanna flex too

[thick minnow]

Okay buddy

[thick minnow]

Microsoft moment

25.8GB update???

[waxen saddle]

First time updating in a few years? Lol

[rocky badge]

@peak cloak

Dorm network doesn't isolate IPv6 link local only IPv4

So Windows is discovering Xboxes via IPv6

and other UPnP devices

[ocean pivot]

slow upload

[pseudo blade]

I think most network admins still pretend ipv6 doesn't exist

I have yet to see a network with it implemented properly.

[thick minnow]

Because 5G has no symmetrical speeds

That's bufferbloat. Quite common for it to be like that on cellular technology.

That's n78

It's quite obvious

It shouldn't be hard to read but okay.

10ms latency.

Probably lower than what you got 😁

Sorry, I couldn't handle it, that someone wasn't able to read

Welcome to cellular technology

[pseudo blade]

Well actually it's 2.14 seconds of latency under load but oh well

[clear igloo]

When idle.....

[thick minnow]

I mean what do you expect. It's a phone pulling 2000mbps while others are on that cell tower. It was at the Dubai mall, so it was extremely busy

• all the people in the Burj Khalifa were also connected to it.

[clear igloo]

I expect negative latency when downloading!!!

[thick minnow]

The UAE only has 2 carriers, so that means even more congestion

[clear igloo]

Google did it!! 😛

[thick minnow]

You should to a speedtest on your phone rn and see what the bufferbloat is

Probably more.

[clear igloo]

Well I'm on wifi right now so it would be much less

I've got crap cell signal at the moment

[thick minnow]

Then wifi off and do a quick test, but only of you have lots of data or unlimited

[thick minnow]

Yeah that does increase the latency by a lot.

[clear igloo]

yah 😦

[thick minnow]

And if you have lots of wifi congestion, your latency could be even worse than 4G/5G

So stay away from TP-Link.

[clear igloo]

single stream speedtest over wifi, lol

If my phone would stop being a little pain and connect to the 6E band instead it would be higher speed and lower latency

[clear igloo]

I use all enterprise gear at home, here's a recent 6E speedtest (multi-stream though so higher latency)
https://www.speedtest.net/result/a/8819865491.png

[thick minnow]

Raleigh 😁

[thick minnow]

Is it a 3000mbps plan?

[clear igloo]

2000

[thick minnow]

Nice. What router do you use?

[clear igloo]

pfsense router and Meraki MR57 APs

[thick minnow]

My wifi won't even come close because I live in fucking Europe 💀

[thick minnow]

Awesome 👌

[clear igloo]

Yah, yall need more fiber! 😄

[thick minnow]

I use this

[thick minnow]

It's 90% DSL rn. I use LTE because why tf would anyone use DSL.

[clear igloo]

Yah, DSL is such a crap shoot here too

[thick minnow]

200mbps-280mbps speeds

[pseudo blade]

If LTE congestion is low sure

[thick minnow]

2CA b1+b3

[thick minnow]

It's a small town so no congestion issues here

[clear igloo]

For LTE that's pretty solid

[pseudo blade]

Where I am there's >10k people on one tower

[thick minnow]

Looool that's pain

[pseudo blade]

And a lot of those people are on the edge of the signal

[thick minnow]

I have a second router to abuse tmobile because they refuse to give me band 3 😁

Grocery store trash

[thick minnow]

Which bands does the tower have?

Because if it has low band, then most people will just be on the crappy low band and the other bands won't have congestion

[pseudo blade]

3,7,28

a 5g band but I forget which

[clear igloo]

Hot garbage 😄

[thick minnow]

I've downloaded like 10TB in total now and it's still not broken

[clear igloo]

Nice!

Meanwhile in the background smoke starts pouring out

[pseudo blade]

A bunch of people have been buying signal boosters, but have been setting them to 3G

[thick minnow]

I hope it doesn't. 🙏

[pseudo blade]

You know, because "3g means more range"

[thick minnow]

Lmao, is it H+ at least?

[clear igloo]

the fewer g's the more range!!

[pseudo blade]

Yes it's H+

[thick minnow]

3G gets me 25mbps here, if I use the best carrier

[pseudo blade]

But after everyone hops on it you can't even use it for calls

[thick minnow]

If it rains heavily, my modem switches to 3G and only pulls 18mbps, which is fine for basic stuff and 1080p video streaming.

[thick minnow]

You don't have VoLTE?

Pre paid carriers here don't have VoLTE yet 💀

[pseudo blade]

I have VoLTE

Everyone else is using a mix and the 3G cell can't cope

[thick minnow]

This is true for some reason, even though they use the same frequency. Like I get GPRS on that mountain where there is no other signal

[pseudo blade]

It's not true

[thick minnow]

Lmao, it's probably gonna explode on a hot day

Maybe they just have the GPRS on more power for emergency calls

[pseudo blade]

Range is frequency dependent, newer technologies get more out of a band

[thick minnow]

Korean samsungs can actually show the "G" icon 😛

[pseudo blade]

Last time the tower went down here everyone apparently went without cellular for a few months

[thick minnow]

No one complained?

[warm pecan]

If you live in apartment, shorter range channels are actually a good thing TBH.

[pseudo blade]

Oh 2-3 people complain per day

Right now

[thick minnow]

What the hell is going on with that isp 💀

[pseudo blade]

Telstra does not give a fuck

[thick minnow]

Oh, Telstra

Now it makes sense.

[pseudo blade]

People turn to the installers for advice on how to improve their signal and then even more pile on 3G

And now it's literally unusable bar at 3AM

Even 4G sucks but not as badly

[thick minnow]

I wonder when Telstra will shut off its 3G network

[pseudo blade]

2025

June I think

[thick minnow]

How much do you get?

[thick minnow]

That's still quite some time for them to improve the 5G or 4G

[pseudo blade]

It varies greatly

I get ~30 during the day, up to 200mbps at night

Off a CAT20 phone

[thick minnow]

Is it like that all over Australia?

[pseudo blade]

Population centres have excellent coverage, my last place I got >400mbps consistently on 4G

[thick minnow]

That makes sense though. They have the best backhaul and bands

[pseudo blade]

Everywhere else can apparently go suffer

[thick minnow]

This ass carrier actually improved the rural towers to 3CA from b20 10mhz only.

[pseudo blade]

It's just not enough towers

You can't pile 10k people on a tower and expect things to work

And there's nothing around it to hand off to

[thick minnow]

I honestly have no idea how they can even get a single tower to cover 10k people

[pseudo blade]

They don't

[thick minnow]

Is the coverage in rural Australia good?

[pseudo blade]

No

[thick minnow]

Oof. Is Vodafone better?

[pseudo blade]

Vodafone has nothing and is useless

[thick minnow]

They were actually owned by CK Hutchison at one point I think

[pseudo blade]

It is not taken seriously in Aus once you leave any city

Telstra, Optus. That's it

[thick minnow]

Well, it's the same here except on 3AT, which has CA on all towers outside of cities and towns

[thick minnow]

Isn't Optus the fastest?

[pseudo blade]

Not on average

[thick minnow]

Is it faster in your town?

[pseudo blade]

Hard to say

Sometimes

It's still not good

I know that coverage on the edges of town is nonexisting on Optus

[thick minnow]

Bro how does it get this bad 💀

Sounds almost as bad as Germany

But in Germany they don't even have coverage outside of cities

[pseudo blade]

Australia's pretty big

And population density out of the cities is very low

[thick minnow]

Like this?

[pseudo blade]

Yeah approximately

[turbid phoenix]

gg

what the fuck brah

[thick minnow]

Pov: Magenta DSL /s

[turbid phoenix]

ziggo

we pay for 1000mbps

got a new router, got a whole mesh system through my house

no clue why its this unbearable

[thick minnow]

Maybe it's the server you're downloading from. Always use Speedtest by Ookla for the most accurate results

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo @peak cloak So I'm next to a university, right? So I see their WiFi APs....

They configured some of their APs for 2.4GHz channel 3

[peak cloak]

huh

[rocky badge]

😐

[dusk saddle]

Woot got my CCNA, onto CCNP now.

[snow elk]

what?

i also experienced this on some sites, which one were you trying to access?

also, my current ip blacklist on my edge routers atm:

so close to 100k

[sudden kayak]

what is the speed on the gateway? if you're not getting 1000Mbps there, they're on the hook to fix it. your gateway may have its own speedtest client, or just plug a computer in instead

[turbid phoenix]

Do you mean like, connecting a pc straight to the modem?

Last time I did that I pretty much got 1000mbps

[full monolith]

windows does jokes on me xD
it tells me the link speed is 2400mbps but the adapter only does max 866 link speed

my router would be able to do the 2400 but not the adapter

[waxen scroll]

what professional experience do you have?

[sudden kayak]

yeah that's correct... probably means the mesh system is the problem

[waxen scroll]

@unborn sluice just saying bruh

[wet edge]

One of my core racks for you to have a little look at if of interest

[waxen scroll]

Why haven't you moved to NCS

[wet edge]

These are plenty enough, good capabilities for the price point

Run the ASR9010 and 9006 chassis across a number of sites and they've been solid workhorses

[waxen scroll]

I used to have 4 asr 9912

Yuge

[wet edge]

Yeah they're bulky fuckers

[waxen scroll]

@clear igloo hype

[wet edge]

You work in this field?

[waxen scroll]

Yep. Usually at fortune 100s. Work in banking right now

[wet edge]

Oh nice

In the US?

[waxen scroll]

Yep

[wet edge]

👍

[waxen scroll]

US companies but global networks

[wet edge]

Yeah understandable

London here

Baby network in comparison I'm sure, across five PoPs in London

But does what it needs to!

[waxen scroll]

I mostly do data center networking these days but hop to wan if I need to.

Probably getting dragged into cloud soon to stop shadow IT 😂

[wet edge]

Yeah the above is just in support of colo, nothing too fancy

[mossy void]

Cloud networking: where the rules are all made up because it's all just running in FPGAs.

(Well, at least in Azure. Not sure about AWS< but every physical host box in an Azure datacenter has an FPGA attached to it just to handle the networking side of things. Source: am Azure-focused Cloud Engineer.)

[wet edge]

I'm not really a network guy, you'll very quickly reach the limits of my understanding of it here I'm sure, know enough to get by on the day to day access layer but certainly nothing at the core, just threw in here in case of some interest

[waxen scroll]

Oh? Lol

I thought you were some MPLS wizard after posting that

[wet edge]

Ha no I wish I could say so. All I know is that our recent transition to EVPN was a bit of a nightmare, but I stayed well away from the technicalities of that

Best to know your strengths and get people involved that know their shit I say

I stick to the power and cooling side of things where I can, where you can more easily fix things with a hammer

[opal pagoda]

i plan on connecting garage with underground fiber
i would install conduit and not directly burying fiber
now for selection of fiber, do i buy a 30-40 meter patch cable and pull it across
or do i buy actual outdoor rated fiber but i cant find one with connectors already installed i would have to use mechanical splices due to not having a fusion splicer

[wet edge]

I'd go pre-terminated if you can. Can be a bit more pricey but you can get MTP cables to do what you need, and then stick a cassette on each end. Over that sort of distance it wouldn't be killer expensive.

[keen urchin]

Aws is Asics. Like 3rd or 4th gen now.

[opal pagoda]

i dont need more than 2 fibers

[keen urchin]

Aws were using Cisco, but very quickly reached limitations with their shitty software, and because they need a tiny fraction of the options and commands, they have made their own networking gear for a long time now.

Like aws simply do not support broadcast traffic

[mossy void]

it's not much better in Azure

[keen urchin]

No it's far far worse

Because of the setup in aws it does things in a way that is at least internally consistent.

Azure is a fucking horrorshow

They just don't invest in underlying tech in the same way that aws does, and it's the underlying tech that enables the cool features.

[wet edge]

Oh yes don't get me wrong, as much as we're in bed with Cisco (it is good stuff, we know it well and try not to mix vendors if we can), they are total bastards when it comes to licencing and the like. We get almost all of it on the refurbished market though, both for availability and cost.

I don't think I've ever bought anything brand new direct from Cisco actually. Their list rates are absolutely hilarious for the carrier grade kit.

[wet edge]

Just go with a patch then, or two, pull in a spare. If it's well contained you'll be fine.

[opal pagoda]

ight

[rocky badge]

@waxen scroll 🙈 unifi

[rocky badge]

AWS has Nitro cards

Nitro handles virtualization, encryption, storage, networking

[rocky badge]

get a cable with multiple strands

[keen urchin]

Which is also hilarious because nobody pays list

[edgy ingot]

https://git.bocc.de/jochen/cilo/src/branch/master/README so I came upon this, anyone used this? Heard of it even?

I’ve got some OLD stuff but if I can make it multi use I’d love to give it a go

[opal pagoda]

if i go that way this is the one i would use

[rocky badge]

nice

[full monolith]

@thick minnowi was telling you imma search for a pic that i took from our new 5G tower in my city and i finally found it xD

[turbid phoenix]

not really sure how it would be broken though

[pseudo blade]

The internet makes me laugh

Go on AliExpress to buy a relabelled Mikrotik at twice the price https://mikrotik.com/product/RB952Ui-5ac2nD

[clear igloo]

y u no Cisco 8812 😄

ASR9K is definitely a workhorse 🙂

Nexus 9808 (Cisco 8808 with NXOS on top)

[thick minnow]

Quite interesting how they also build these kind of towers

[turbid phoenix]

well if it's somehow "broken" then what cheaper/budget mesh system do you recommend for the netherlands

[pseudo blade]

High performance mesh systems are not cheap.

[waxen scroll]

i'm not allowed to show 😒

[thick minnow]

Cell tower 😁😁

[opal pagoda]

can cisco nexus N2K-C2248TP-1GE Fabric Extender be used as a normal managed switch?

[clear igloo]

Nope

[opal pagoda]

how can it be used then?

[clear igloo]

With a parent Nexus 5K/7K/9K switch

It has no brains so alone a FEX does nothing, the parent tells it what to do

[opal pagoda]

so you need both and i assume some cisco license

[clear igloo]

no license

[opal pagoda]

thanks

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo Would be so cool if the Shield TV was PoE

It's only 39.9W power supply

[waxen scroll]

or... OR

instead of using a shield switch to an OLED that has google tv built in

recommend SONY

[peak cloak]

Ew

I hate smart tvs

[full monolith]

Lol thats bullshit

Why cant we have dumb ass tvs again

Good ones

[sudden kayak]

not broken, that's pretty much the expected performance for mesh systems if you're on the opposite side of the house and at least one link is in a bad signal area... wired backhaul APs will fix that

[turbid phoenix]

i'm not on the opposite side, rather, i'm right above the main access point, router, and the modem

2nd floor, but right above them

[sudden kayak]

well, in that case i guess it could be broken

should be better than what you're getting even if it's not great

do you know what your floors are made of?

[clear igloo]

Abandoned or apps stop working after 3 years

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo

[clear igloo]

mmmm, fiber

[rocky badge]

at bestbuy

[clear igloo]

lol

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo this tiny shop has Meraki

[clear igloo]

probably via an MSP

[rocky badge]

Probably

I think they were still setting up stuff