networking

[thick minnow]

once it reaches the towns.

[full monolith]

thats where i made my 1300mbits

[thick minnow]

They'd probably get into legal troubles

[full monolith]

they use microcells there so theres. not really more possible with the people connected to that

[thick minnow]

Magenta Austria doesn't have a mobile network capable of gigabit speeds yet.

Only 3AT

[full monolith]

telecom is bullshit in other countrys anyways

like for us theres like a tower or antenna every 1-3km or less and even while driving 200 on our local roads you have stable 200+ mbits

[thick minnow]

Not in the USA. They do really well there, with almost everything covered in 5G

[full monolith]

even with hills etc

[thick minnow]

and many towers do a gigabit, even in rural areas.

[full monolith]

yea usa is different lmao

with mm 5g

[thick minnow]

all carriers are good in the USA. They are far ahead in the 5G race and they've won it

[full monolith]

yea

[full monolith]

EU just fkin cries again about the frickin frequencies

like damn its not that hard

[thick minnow]

The issue is fiber rollout too

[full monolith]

i mean here thats not the problem tho

even our towers are all connected via fiber

or 40g point to point

[thick minnow]

Oh okay, then it's the lack of towers

in Germany

[full monolith]

yea i mean here theres many hills etc so mm 5g would be useless here anyways

[thick minnow]

Here they don't have mmWave yet, n78 is lacking outside of cities and towns.

[full monolith]

but in flat locations it would be usefull af

but n78 gets way better in smaller towns and cities here

[thick minnow]

True, but samsung achieved 8cc mmWave with really good range.

[full monolith]

i mean yea thats cool but

wait imma show you the issues about like where i live

[thick minnow]

https://www.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2022/05/qualcomm-three-austria-and-zte-achieve-europes-first-5g-standalone

[thick minnow]

Less congestion

[thick minnow]

Alright

[full monolith]

You littearly have hills everywhere higher then anything else

I mean our towers are on the hills but yea

Its hard here

[thick minnow]

I am surrounded by mountains and they managed to have great signal everywhere

I can even reach the 5G n28 when I go up to 700m

[full monolith]

nice

[thick minnow]

Yeah, could be the brick houses too

They can slow down speeds a lot too.

[full monolith]

bro all houses ar elike fr build to last atom bombs

theres houses from 1400 that look better then new houses

but like 2m walls ngl

[thick minnow]

Same but I have a huge window

It allows for good signal in my room

[full monolith]

my house is just default brick and concrete

but i live in shadow of the tower

[thick minnow]

Mine is too, but there is some fat layer outside for heating

[full monolith]

like my room is on the wrong side of the house

[thick minnow]

Oof. This probably means bad uploads

[full monolith]

i mean i dont need mobile at home

[thick minnow]

I can get 140mbps down and barely 1mbps up when I'm downstairs

4G b1+b20

[prime dawn]

when i was in school my parents were looking for a house to buy and one of them had a bomb shelter p much which was carved into the slope of a hill

[thick minnow]

For me it's the only option bc who the hell wants to use DSL

[full monolith]

no one lmao

dsl is lame

[thick minnow]

40mbps would not be enough for me

[full monolith]

my bonding speeds

[thick minnow]

But I have fast LTE and this means I don't have to share it with anyone in my family :))

[thick minnow]

Awesome

[full monolith]

get like 190mb/s in steam

[thick minnow]

What are the upload speeds?

[full monolith]

like 95-110

cant get more on cable atm

but i dont need upload much

[thick minnow]

I have 2 games downloading rn. One in a VM and one on my pc

UDR manages it really well.

[thick minnow]

So one would be like 50mbps?

[full monolith]

yea its 50 from contract but u have like 54.5 max

[thick minnow]

Docsis 3.1

[full monolith]

yea

[thick minnow]

Magenta sells a 1000/50 plan for 39€

[prime dawn]

wow i'm actually getting 920 down rn

[full monolith]

with a single cable line and 2.5g i get liek 1100 mbits down

but my bonding pc is only 1g on wan

10g sfp+ on output

[thick minnow]

I don't like internet plans here anyway. I have a phone sim with unlimited priority data and I just pay 23€ a month.

[thick minnow]

oh

[full monolith]

i mean for me vodafone is hella good not like for most other people

where it dies every 5min

[thick minnow]

okay it's only cheap if you have a phone plan

[full monolith]

they build everything new like 4 years ago and the main point of the docsis station thing on the street is like 50m away

so at best times in night i have like 3-5 ping

[thick minnow]

Yep. I have a German friend and his Vodafone internet dies every other day.

[full monolith]

yea but also its the vodafone station router

[prime dawn]

oh god the vodafone blackbox

[thick minnow]

He get's 7mbps on Telekom LTE

[full monolith]

like bro thats littearly build to show how bs they are

[thick minnow]

B20 only

[prime dawn]

i will slay whoever came up with the new technicolor model

[thick minnow]

Which one do you use?

[full monolith]

2x tc4400

[prime dawn]

my old CBN one was at least not harmful, it was just arse (i actually used an old fritzbox as my WAP)

[thick minnow]

Does it have SQM?

I have a UDR

[full monolith]

i had a udm pro but i doomed all unifi hardware

[prime dawn]

the new technicolor one i got with the gigabit upgrade, no joke, is too stupid to act as a switch, insane packet loss when accessing my nas (ok that's again the used fritzbox) behind it ... i ended up having to use the fritzbox as the central network switching device and only have wan and 1 ethernet connected to the technicolor box

[thick minnow]

My parents use a FritzBox DSL 💀

[prime dawn]

i mean the WAP fritzbox is an ADSL model

[thick minnow]

ah

[prime dawn]

that's why it's kinda worthless but also like an ok WAP and basic ass nas

[full monolith]

Still the 10g switch here no one wanna buy it

[prime dawn]

cute

[full monolith]

And yea i use a cloth bin for cables

[thick minnow]

lol

[full monolith]

I once used like 5TB in not even 3 days

Did a lan party at my 18th

With like 30people

[thick minnow]

I could do that in 4 days

If I download a 1tb file

[thick minnow]

Nice

I used 6TB with a cheap alcatel router once

and a lidl pre paid sim card

[full monolith]

1TB file is like 2hrs and a few min for me

[thick minnow]

yeah cuz yours is really fast

[full monolith]

yea

[thick minnow]

I used this router and then a 250mbps pre paid sim card plan from Lidl

[full monolith]

i littearly give my whole neighburhood free wifi caue i cant use my whole bandwith anyways

[thick minnow]

Oh and 5TB on Telekom. I love abusing LTE networks

[full monolith]

i use 2 loco m5s for whole street coverage

[thick minnow]

Do you run a lan cable outside?

[full monolith]

yea

i use extra thick outdoor ones and burried them underground

[thick minnow]

I had some APs in my garden that had coverage on the street in front of my house but I disconnected them

[full monolith]

like i just dug a few cm of dirt down in a line lmao

[thick minnow]

Is that allowed?

[full monolith]

idc if it is no one cares here

you littearly can walk around in peoples garden and no one would do shit

[thick minnow]

Lol

[full monolith]

everyone knows eachother here so yea no worries

[thick minnow]

Isn't it a safety risk though, to have lan cables outside?

[full monolith]

why would it be

[thick minnow]

People can just unplug them and troll

Put them into other devices

[full monolith]

lol find someone here that even knows what a lan cable is doe

[thick minnow]

True

[full monolith]

i cant even explain my mom what i do cuz she wont ven understand how a lan cable works

she be like bro whats that thing with the blinking lights this needs to be on?

im like yea bro ignore it

[thick minnow]

Same. I always tell my mom to just not unplug anything.

[full monolith]

yea lmao

[thick minnow]

She messed with the APs I had outside

"Why does it light up????"

[full monolith]

yea same with my mom hahaha ashe was like dude whats that thing we dont need that

i was like: yea you dont need it but i need it

so she just shut up and left me alone

now she stopped asking shit thats good

[thick minnow]

My parents thankfully have their own router so they don't complain anymore

40€ a month for DSL tho 💀

[full monolith]

bro wanna see smth

[thick minnow]

Yes, sure

[full monolith]

we have a local isp here ok

so like speeds are bs and prices are like

higher then some drug addicts

[thick minnow]

LMAO

Is it docsis?

[full monolith]

no dsl 💀

they have one fiber plan that has like coverage for not even 300 houses

like dude who tf pays 50€ for 100mbits dsl

[thick minnow]

YOUR INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER

[full monolith]

not the one i use lol

[thick minnow]

No one, I hope

[full monolith]

too much tho

[thick minnow]

Yeah, their logo says it

[full monolith]

bro telecom cant do better here cause they use the dsl shit

so telecom cant do better then them

telecom has only 11mbits here and they like 100 at best

[thick minnow]

so sad how they still advertise in kbps

[full monolith]

ikr

[thick minnow]

Extrmely sad.

[full monolith]

i had to use 11mbit like 5 years and then

i got 1 gbits and then i just got another cause i was feeling like i need it

[thick minnow]

I had 1mbps/1mbps A1 dsl until 2016

[full monolith]

hell nah

[thick minnow]

How exactly did you do it?

Are there 2 cables?

[full monolith]

nope

cable internet is running over frequencies so you have only one cable

wait

[thick minnow]

Then I got a mobile broadband router with 50mbps LTE (It never got close to 50mbps)

[thick minnow]

Oh okay, I understand it now

[full monolith]

like basiclly the whole street is like that

you have on main cable in the street and people juust get connected to that for their houses

[thick minnow]

Oh okay yes

[full monolith]

you are just limited by the users per main cable or like the frequendies docsis 3.1 uses

[thick minnow]

I sadly don't have much knowledge with docsis internet.

My brother has a 250mbps/50mbps plan on Magenta

[full monolith]

okay

[thick minnow]

9ms is okay I think

For docsis

[full monolith]

here if telecom does super vdsl they do it well like really well but yea not everywhere tho

like i saw dsl lines with 300mbits over 600m line lenght and 3ms ping

[full monolith]

wifi gives like 2-3ms on 5ghz and like 2ms on 2.4 when its not used much

[thick minnow]

I have seen a few that can do 250mbps

[full monolith]

so it could be better tho

[thick minnow]

It's wifi 5 but yeah, right

[full monolith]

yea

[thick minnow]

latency on LTE here

[thick minnow]

It's LTE+ but SKT phones don't show it sadly.

[full monolith]

kionda same here but faster

[thick minnow]

The second one got 14ms.

[full monolith]

here the best i get with mobile is like 10-13

[thick minnow]

In cities it's 12ms

[thick minnow]

4G or 5G?

[full monolith]

both

[thick minnow]

Not that it makes a difference with NSA.

NSA is lame af.

[full monolith]

ik someone who works at telecom and has a priority sim card that littearly can use the whole tower no matter how many people are conencted to it

and he broke 900 mbits over 4g+

[thick minnow]

I would pay lots of $$$ for a sim card like that

[full monolith]

he littearly gets it for like 30 or 40

[thick minnow]

It was at least 5ca though, right?

[full monolith]

yea i think

[thick minnow]

Do they have 7ca towers on Telekom?

[full monolith]

he uses a mi 11 ultra

[full monolith]

idk rn but i can ask

[thick minnow]

Oh okay. Would probably been better on a Samsung since those can do 2000mbps on LTE

[full monolith]

idk my max on my iphone 13 was like 600 but also not on a good tower

[thick minnow]

I own one but I can't use 5G on it since SKT has no roaming agreement with any carrier here for 5G so it just blocks it 💀

[thick minnow]

I did 470mbps on LTE while I was on vacation

[full monolith]

i have 2 more sims on vodafone because of my tablet and my mobile router but vodafone sucks ass on mobile

like its usable but not that good

[thick minnow]

It was connected to the hotspot of my Huawei Nova 9 so that's why it shows wifi

[full monolith]

if you use hotspot on the device u wanna test its faster most times

[thick minnow]

Yeah it only did 200mbps on the Huawei

But then with hotspot enabled it did 470mbps.

I ran out of data after this sadly

[full monolith]

before my iphone i had a realme gt neo 2 and back then i was using the vodafone as main sim for internet

[thick minnow]

Vodafone sucks everywhere for mobile.

[full monolith]

and my max was like 900 on a highway

but that was the only time i even got close to that with vodafone

[thick minnow]

Lidl so I can test the 3 network

[full monolith]

king move is to config your modem in the phone to output more power

[thick minnow]

5G?

[full monolith]

yea

[thick minnow]

How do you do that?

[full monolith]

root the phone and theres like a few programms to do that

[thick minnow]

Ohh okay

[full monolith]

not sure tho never did it just got shown and told by the telecom guy ik

its cool but i really have better things to do then modifying a phone modem lmao

[thick minnow]

I see. I'll look into it later but it probably wont change anything in speed cap country.

Yep. Probably takes a lot of time

[full monolith]

i mean its illegal in theory but yea people still do it

[thick minnow]

Oh

[full monolith]

like not cause you change it its just. cause of you use more power then allowed and eventually the people that have controll over the mobile stuff will find out

same when u do wifi routers with more power

they littearly doomed my friends house and got his router cause he was sending 5ghz with 3w

[thick minnow]

LMAOO

[full monolith]

they littearly found the exact location of the thing just from their like magnet antenna things on the mobile towers

he had to pay 500€ and didnt got his router back

[thick minnow]

Was the router expensive?

[full monolith]

nah was just some random one with modiefied antenna module

[thick minnow]

But they can't interfere

Or did they just use it to track down your friend?

[full monolith]

there are weather radars and flight secutiry things on 5ghz

so yea they can interfere with important stuff

you are also only allowed in EU to send 1W on channel 100 and above

under 1W in channels 36-56 or 62

[thick minnow]

Yeah, I'm not messing with the law for something like that

[full monolith]

same

[thick minnow]

Don't want my shit taken away by them

[full monolith]

i mean its funny but only when seeing other people doing it hahaha

[thick minnow]

Hehe, yes.

[full monolith]

i mean bro imagine u mess around with shit and the next day theres people standing on our door taking your stuff away lmao

thats like scarry shit ngl

[thick minnow]

That stuff is always scary, that's why I will never do anything that can cause this to happen 🙏

btw, did you get my friend request?

Cuz I want to study now

[full monolith]

yea was to lazy to accept so far lmao

[thick minnow]

oh haha

[full monolith]

also when talking about wifi and range

i had a unifi mesh hd outside and it detected wifis that are over 700m away even down the hill

like dude what the fuck is this

[thick minnow]

LOOL

[full monolith]

theres litteatly idk how many houses between and not even line of sight

i had like over 350 wifis detecting in under 24hrs

[thick minnow]

Unifi is just great

[full monolith]

hardware is good but software is crap

thats why i doomed my udm pro etc

just ha dtoo many bugs

[thick minnow]

Damn

😔

[thick minnow]

Anyway, I'm studying now. Bye 👋

[full monolith]

bye

[thick minnow]

I wish

[full monolith]

lmao

imma go eat till i break now and then watching shit till i sleep lol

thankfully i dont get heavier no matter what i eat hahaaha

[thick minnow]

Same, have fun.

Bye! 🤣

[full monolith]

thanks have a great evening. bye

i didnt do any other pics of my uni stuff sop that the only one where it was still doing all its stuff. dont doom me for my room lmao im pretty weird
The pc down there is my router pc what runs my bonding

[full monolith]

that was the rangeof this mf

650m ok still much lmao

[thick minnow]

I've had this happen too. I detected my APs from the mountain which is quite far away too at around 250m height

But only the 2.4ghz band

691m

Away from my house

[full monolith]

Crazy

Telecom dsl switching station from my city

[thick minnow]

Woah

Here it's all at the postal office

[full monolith]

We have one main building and then like the switches for the houses in every street

Thats only dsl tho. Coax is in a orher building

Me when i saw our telecom building first time:

[thick minnow]

Look at this goofy dsl

The latency is 200ms now

On every single test

[novel dome]

Better the DSL I used to get

7mbps down 0.56mbps up

[thick minnow]

Yeah, but for me this is unusable

[novel dome]

Oh, by my new standards, yes, absolutely

[thick minnow]

https://tyler-will.shutoffyourinter.net/📸/euxjxflb.png I'm happy with the LTE 3AT has here. My TV is on too so it's not as fast as usual

[thick minnow]

thats lte!??

[cinder plank]

I have a 2tb HDD that I want to move to my new unraid NAS. I want to transition to accessing the data as a cached SMB map. I would like to maintain as much metadata as possible.
Q: What are the differences between the NTFS and SMB metadata capabilities? (i.e. date created, file permissions etc. )

[thick minnow]

Yes. 2CC 2100mhz B1 + B2 2100mhz

Both have a BW of 15mhz

[nimble sable]

Yikes, do you live somewhere remote? I always thought eu generally had better internet than that

[nimble sable]

Hold on... Is that an emoji inside a url? That's a thing we can do now?

[peak cloak]

yes for a while

but browsers won't show it in the url

[nimble sable]

https://www.androidcentral.com/accessories/smart-home/tp-links-wi-fi-7-lineup-confirms-huge-speed-and-capacity-upgrades-over-6e
Come on man. I JUST upgraded to 6e

[peak cloak]

What client devices have 7?

[nimble sable]

How well does it work, any compatability issues?

[peak cloak]

the reason is security

[nimble sable]

I still can't get MU-Mimo to work, forget 7 lol

[peak cloak]

people registered domains with very similar unicode characters to popular websites

[nimble sable]

Srsly btw if anyone has actually gotten MU-Mimo to work as intended let me know (this means simultaneous 1200Mbps on 2 devices at the same time)

[nimble sable]

Hmm but like why? Who's gonna type göogle instead of Google?

[peak cloak]

phishing

example: аpple.com

in reality: https://аpple.com

although for something in the url path it's less of a concern I guess

so idk, I guess browsers could implement that

[nimble sable]

Hold on... Is that a not an a?

[peak cloak]

well crylic a

[nimble sable]

Wth... That looks identical to latin a

[peak cloak]

exactly

[nimble sable]

I feel like this is an issue with whoever thought those two identical looking things needed two separate entries on the Unicode table

[peak cloak]

there is ALOT of chars in unicode

different types of whitespace

[nimble sable]

Oh ya ya... But they look different if you know how to spot it

This is another level

[peak cloak]

yes

very similar

https://www.xudongz.com/blog/2017/idn-phishing/

[nimble sable]

U know there's an easy fix to this

New ICANN rule: homoglyphs are recognized as variants similar to caps in latin alphabet

There's ZERO downside to that rule, except that someone has to go and map all the homoglyphs in the Unicode table currently

[nimble sable]

Has this been fixed now? I can't get dns to succeed for the fake apple.com

[peak cloak]

Well there's no DNS record, but the fix is that the crylic a is converted to puneycode

[nimble sable]

Wait so before the fix, how would it work?

Was there a dns somewhere for fake apple.com?

[peak cloak]

It would look like this in the browser

[peak cloak]

Now it looks like this

[nimble sable]

Oh i see... Why the 43d?

[peak cloak]

Except I think if you have the crylic alphabet as the system alphabet

[nimble sable]

But i can register fake аpple.com as a domain?

Except now no one would be able to get to it unless they had Cyrillic as system alphabet

[peak cloak]

Idk actually

Can read more https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punycode

[peak cloak]

I think you can

[nimble sable]

Oh that actually explains the whole thing even the 43d bit

[red fox]

Anybody know anything about upgrading old wifi chips in old laptops? I know the chip in my laptop would be upgradable if I really wanted to, but I am not sure about details of whether you would need to replace antennas and how much it could be limited by the hardware of my laptop.

My laptop is a fujitsu t902, its intel 3rd gen with an i5 3340M, currently has an intel wifi card in it.

(looking for some general and perhaps some specific advice on this, feel free to ping me in a response)

[full monolith]

For now i never upgraded one but i mean its a m.2 card in like 99% of the times and i guess with a wifi6 intel card you are good to go

Intel wifi cards are always great on laptops

[red fox]

Do I need to worry about getting new antennas or will the old ones work?

And what about wifi 6E?

[full monolith]

I think wifi 6e needs 3 antennas because of the 3 bands but i mean you could use the 2 for 5 and 6ghz and just dont use 2.4ghz

You would have 2.4g but with awfull range

[red fox]

I thought so too... but this doesnt have a third one ... https://a.co/d/52jQu6n

[full monolith]

Okay then it should work with 2

[red fox]

So should just be drop in replacement?

Oh actually I have quallcom wifi currently, but I still would end up wanting something intel

Found this page for my laptop, but I know it has qualcom for sure

Hers a different probably more accurate spec sheet for it

[pseudo blade]

Obvious thing right away - Your Intel Centrino chip is a half-size mini-PCIe, but the new wireless card is M.2 form factor

So they will not physically fit in the same slot

You can get m.2 to pcie adapters online for cheap, though it'll increase module height and might not fit without modification

The existing antennae would be for 2.4ghz only and would likely perform poorly in 5ghz

[red fox]

I do have 5ghz wifi on the laptop currently

[pseudo blade]

The 6205?

No, you said Qualcomm

Well that should perform similarly then

It's mostly the form factor issue then

[red fox]

Similarly to how it currently does, or similar to how that new chip would be expected to?

[pseudo blade]

The WiFi 6E part is 6ghz so again not going to be what the antennas were designed for

I'd again expect poor performance

[pseudo blade]

Somewhere in between for 5ghz and 2.4ghz

Theoretically a pcie 1.x connection would limit you to a bit under 2gbps after overhead, but in the real world everything else will limit you first

[red fox]

gotcha, How hard would it be to get and hook up new antennas that would be better optimized for it?

[pseudo blade]

Rather difficult to do right for a laptop, they usually run them up along or on top of the display to get away from the laptop body, and the PCB's are going to be shaped for the space without much clearance

[red fox]

ahh, well thanks for the suggestions!

[thick minnow]

No it's bad all around the country. I'd say only 5% of people have real fiber.

[thick minnow]

🤷‍♂️

[faint bronze]

Wifi-6e uses two antennas for 2x2. This means that the antena needs to be designed for the 2.4 range and 5-7ghz.

[slow pivot]

2x2 usually refers to MIMO; in this case it uses 2 TX antennas and 2 RX antennas. Says nothing about the frequency ranges.

[full monolith]

But with 4 antennas it would be 4x4 mimo

[faint bronze]

Well, what I am referring to is an Intel ax210 where it has 2 antennas and is a 2x2 configuration.

[tranquil berry]

is it still normal for a router to lose connection to the internet like once a month or so

that you have to reset the thing multiple times to get it to work

[lavish kayak]

What do you mean by router? Like a domestic Cable Modem that is also a router?

[tranquil berry]

tf is a domestic cable modem

[lavish kayak]

not out of the ordinary I would say, sounds like it should be rebooted once a month lol, you may be able to schedule it in the router settings

[tranquil berry]

my router reboots once a week

bc of the issue before where the net goes down every two weeks

literally got this start of last year

now it just happens whenever it feels like it

restarting it now just works after a couple of minutes then loses connection again

[thick minnow]

TP link always sucks.

[shadow bluff]

seem like your ISP provided modem are quite ghetto. theres no getting away from it

[lavish kayak]

ah, the plot thickens. if your local network is running fine when that happens it's either a problem with the connection to your house or with the modem, in that case I don't think there is much you can do. you'll probably need to work with your ISP, pester them whenever you lose internet.

You may be able to get a replacement modem from them

[tranquil berry]

i asked my parents to buy this router

since my brother was moving out temporarily and took the extender

[shadow bluff]

the modem in that picture is fine actually
uses it personally
never had downlink with the router expect when my isp modem decide to act up

[shadow bluff]

i dont think your router is the culprit here
did this happen initially before you got urself a new router?

[tranquil berry]

the isp provided modem is what i dont use bc 2 100mbps ports and small range

[thick minnow]

Is there any way to get another modem?

I would always avoid ISP modems

[tranquil berry]

at first it was us disconnecting which the solution to that was change the dhcp lease time to 72 hours which fixed it

[shadow bluff]

you mean router? modem is the boxy one on the side of your tp link router

[tranquil berry]

i meant the router heah

where tf did i get modem from

my brain deteriorates

[shadow bluff]

that would be your isp. another name for it would be translating modem for your home.

[tranquil berry]

i get that

my brain just died for a sec

[shadow bluff]

assuming your router is the problems, its hard to confirm since you dont have another router lying around

[tranquil berry]

i have the isp one

[shadow bluff]

you can try that one, see if it acts the same

if it does :
contact your isp, they might need to get that modem replaced/port reset

if it doesn't :

you're gonna have to get another router

[tranquil berry]

wonder if i can even ask them to swap out the router for a new one even tho theres no wifi 6 on it

these specs even good for an isp provided router

mfw logs dont tell me anything about no internet connection

[thick minnow]

Cat 6 lte isn't good

Does it have DSL too?

[tranquil berry]

well yeah for those using fibre to the curb connections which is basically VDSL

[thick minnow]

So it's one of those routers that combine DSL+LTE?

[tranquil berry]

idk whats the point if the max speed for dsl is 150mbps

[tranquil berry]

i guess so

[thick minnow]

So you just have a DSL plan?

[tranquil berry]

no

we're on fibre

[thick minnow]

Oh okay I see

Interesting. A modem with 4G and fiber?

[tranquil berry]

rn our down is 250-270

well yeah for the 4g backup

[thick minnow]

I can achieve those speeds on 4G alone

[thick minnow]

Oh

[tranquil berry]

yeah well our 4g speeds are shit

[thick minnow]

Is it too congested?

[tranquil berry]

i dont think so

[thick minnow]

Could be low band then

Do you have wifi congestion?

[tranquil berry]

istg the upload is not like this

[thick minnow]

Or does your router stop working completely

[thick minnow]

Oof. My 3G is faster than this

[tranquil berry]

sorta fixed it by unplugging the modem

[tranquil berry]

australia internet in a nutshell

[thick minnow]

It's bad here too. The DSL I have is too slow for me

[tranquil berry]

if it was the isp provided router id probably be hitting 240 or smth

or just 250

[thick minnow]

Try using 5G

[thick minnow]

Still very fast

[tranquil berry]

dont understand why speeds are 100 when 5g is capable of more than that

[thick minnow]

I don't use any ISP provided stuff and the internet plan I have is a phone sim card with unlimited data but highest priority.

[thick minnow]

On fiber? Bruh

[tranquil berry]

damn mans got da uniquiti

[tranquil berry]

na these are 5g internet plans

[thick minnow]

Oh yeah oof. My carrier limits my 5G to 350mbps lmao

5G low band will not do more than 300mbps usually. I think they don't want people contesting the network too much, that's why the internet plans are bad.

I never get mobile broadband internet plans. They're often deprid, more expensive and in a contract.

Can you get a sim card with unlimited Hotspot on your carrier?

[tranquil berry]

i was literally right next to a 5g cell tower and these are the speeds i pulled

[thick minnow]

I got these speeds like 2 times on n78 100mhz but I'm technically capped to 350mbps because DTAG moment

[thick minnow]

How is it at home?

[tranquil berry]

4g type ass speed bc we dont got 5g tower

[thick minnow]

Your phone says that 5G is available though, which is interesting.

Do you know the 4G speeds on other carriers?

[tranquil berry]

then again this is inside my house

[thick minnow]

Can you check which bands it has? I'm curious lol.

[tranquil berry]

where do i go for that

[thick minnow]

You can download an app called NetMonster

Then it shows you

[thick minnow]

That's the same combo A1 has here 😳

Should be pretty good

So it's congestion most likely.

[tranquil berry]

wonder if the newer isp provided routers can even handle vr streaming

[thick minnow]

Can you send me a link to the website?

[tranquil berry]

https://www.vodafone.com.au/support/nbn/wi-fi-hub

[thick minnow]

Thanks

https://tyler-will.shutoffyourinter.net/📸/76s3ts10.png

LTE backup is capped on them

[thick minnow]

Probably. It just depends on the internet speed

[tranquil berry]

https://www.tp-link.com/au/home-networking/wifi-router/archer-ax20/v1.2/#specifications then heres the router i have

i also pretty much futureproofed myself unnecessarily by buying cat8 cables bc they were cheap

[thick minnow]

Seems pretty good

[thick minnow]

Same 🤣

I'll never get fiber here though, so it's quite pointless.

[tranquil berry]

https://www.msy.com.au/online/212-cat8-cables?q=Availability-In+stock&order=product.price.asc quite literally

[thick minnow]

Maybe a gigabit on 5G

Oh wow, those are cheap

I paid $13 for 2m of cat8

[meager ginkgo]

Don’t buy CAT8 in the future; most of the time they aren’t real CAT8 and CAT8 is highly unnecessary.

[tranquil berry]

*aud

[meager ginkgo]

CAT6A is the most you should go

[thick minnow]

Yeah they're enough for most things

[thick minnow]

Seems extremely cheap

[meager ginkgo]

If you need more bandwidth you should be using Fiber

[tranquil berry]

or whatever they mean by:

[thick minnow]

Probably DOCSIS

So cable internet

Magenta just lies and sells their crappy docsis 3.1 internet as fiber internet.

So real

LTE is 300mbps down and 60mbps up at this location

The latency isn't as good though.

[tranquil berry]

i mean wouldnt cable shielding make a difference tho

https://www.speedtest.net/result/13944436550.png

[thick minnow]

Damn that's awesome. I can only get these speeds in the morning or when it's late at night.

44mbps up is the max UL speed

[tranquil berry]

i think these are around the clock speeds

[thick minnow]

Weird, you said it's fiber right?

[tranquil berry]

yeah

[sudden kayak]

i mean, it makes a difference but cat6a is already rated for 10G at 100m and even upcoming 40G at like 25-30m

for home use that's already massive overkill, and if you need any faster than that, fiber ends up being way cheaper when you consider the cost of the whole setup

[sudden kayak]

fiber doesn't inherently mean fast or symmetric speeds... the ISP can decide to provision whatever plan speeds they want

[dense delta]

hello i have a problem so i am connect through wifi and i have high ping so i went and checked the task manager there was something called Delivery Optimization it is taking 20 Mb of network if i close it it opens itself after 2 minutes can someone help?

[nimble sable]

i keep seeing comments talking about slow speeds on LTT videos where they show off their super fast business internet or speeds, and im always surprised. Legit thought we were at least at the point where most of the world could expect 100Mbps minimum with the exception of severely poor countries or remote locations

[waxen scroll]

@rocky badge pretty hyped. someone we know is taking a juniper "ccie" exam friday

[rocky badge]

nice

[thick minnow]

I know. But cable was made for TV so uploads are often a lot slower. This seems to be docsis but with fiber very close to it.

• the speeds are basically shared with people so it's slower than fiber in general.

[thick minnow]

100mbps is quite common yeah. Unfortunately not here, since most people still have DSL. Fiber is just completely ignored by DTAG and they only sell cable internet as fiber internet. A few people are getting fiber now.

[sudden kayak]

that's the thing, it's purely an artifact of how current docsis networks are deployed for primarily downstream bandwidth

a lot of companies are already switching that over

[pseudo blade]

Not in Australia they're not lol

[thick minnow]

Most people don't need fast uploads but it's a problem when they have 1000/10 speeds for example.

LTE is often faster and cheaper, so I don't even wanna bother with DOCSIS trash.

[peak cloak]

DOCISS is wayy better than LTE

[pseudo blade]

LTE is rarely faster than DOCSIS

[thick minnow]

Again, depends

[peak cloak]

most of the time, wired > wireless

[thick minnow]

I have a good LTE tower here and it's faster than what my brother gets at his apartment with docsis.

[pseudo blade]

LTE is download optimised

[peak cloak]

again, depends on ISP deployment

[thick minnow]

Yes, of course.

I'm lucky Three is generous and has LTE CA on all their cell towers.

[pseudo blade]

Fast LTE upload is rare

[thick minnow]

That's why I have the best plan, so I get the highest priority

[thick minnow]

It's 44 here, at school it's 65mbps.

If you have UL CA you can easily do 100mbps

[peak cloak]

that's low

[thick minnow]

For LTE it's good.

And docsis often does 50mbps up.

[pseudo blade]

DOCSIS can vastly exceed those speeds

[thick minnow]

In my country it's not the case sadly.

But everything is a bit lame in Europe. Sooo

I get up to 300mbps down and 100mbps up on my LTE & 5G plan for 23€/month.

[pseudo blade]

Similiar in Aus because but it's because NBN Co is afraid we might dare use their connections for business use

[tidal flower]

meanwhile, in canada...

[pseudo blade]

Meanwhile most small to medium businesses do anyways because NBN business fibre is prohibitively expensive

[thick minnow]

Most people don't even get fiber in Austria.

[tidal flower]

$200 for 1000/500 in rural locations

[thick minnow]

Oh god

[tidal flower]

140 for 400/200

or 140 for 25mbps lte

[thick minnow]

💀

[thick minnow]

Is it unlimited?

[tidal flower]

"unlimited"

[thick minnow]

Because Canada only has fake unlimited plans.

[tidal flower]

but they classify traffic and do ratelimits

[thick minnow]

Oh yeah. My friend in Canada cannot even afford data because it's so expensive.

[tidal flower]

(so i just flood port 53 with wireguard)

[thick minnow]

https://tyler-will.shutoffyourinter.net/📸/vy84kd62.png My LTE is extremely congested rn

and my tv is on

[pseudo blade]

I use LTE because residential internet here is both expensive and limited to VDSL2 with middling signal

[tidal flower]

i get fibre on thursday

[pseudo blade]

But it's not actually faster

[thick minnow]

I have 40mbps DSL here. 40€ a month in a 2 year contract.

[tidal flower]

what a fun time that'll be... need to figure out how i'm going to get it into the house

[pseudo blade]

In my last town I lived in a few years ago... 400/40 on LTE

[thick minnow]

What do you get rn?

[pseudo blade]

Depends completely on the modem and time of day

[thick minnow]

Mine usually never goes under 150mbps since I live in a rural area

[thick minnow]

Which speeds?

[pseudo blade]

Here's just shy of 5AM

[thick minnow]

That's pretty good

How's it during the day?

[pseudo blade]

Off my phone

[peak cloak]

internet in my area

[thick minnow]

I have this inside my LTE modem

[pseudo blade]

During the day 30/10

[thick minnow]

Awesome

Fios?

[thick minnow]

Oof

[tidal flower]

400/200

it's FTTH from a rural provider

[peak cloak]

yes

[tidal flower]

super weird peering agreements

[thick minnow]

Is LTE on your carrier congested everywhere?

[thick minnow]

Nice

[peak cloak]

honestly no issues with fios now

ipv6 support, no firewall blocking

[pseudo blade]

Never everywhere but certainly in this town

[tidal flower]

https://bgp.he.net/AS5690

[peak cloak]

public v4, plus no need for bridging a AIO modem/router

[thick minnow]

oof. Hopefully 5G SA fixes these issues for you 🙏

[peak cloak]

just plug into ONT and you're good

[thick minnow]

Yeah it's pretty good

[pseudo blade]

So that's on a CAT20 LTE modem

[peak cloak]

my gripe was v6, but now they recently rolled it out

[pseudo blade]

5G does jackshit

[thick minnow]

What does your modem have?

[pseudo blade]

?

[thick minnow]

If it's NSA and DSS

[thick minnow]

Okay, so you don't use LTE mobile broadband? I'm a bit confused now, lol.

[pseudo blade]

What does my modem have... I just said my phone's CAT20 LTE

My modem I otherwise use is a CAT6

[thick minnow]

What phone do you have?

[thick minnow]

Ah okay, that's probably the issue.

[pseudo blade]

No it's not

It has an impact

But the issue is cell congestion

[thick minnow]

Yep, that sucks then. Not much you can do about it, other than switching the ISP maybe.

[pseudo blade]

There is no viable competitor

I can switch and get no service

[thick minnow]

Oof. Which bands does your cell tower have?

[pseudo blade]

B7, B28

B28's usually shit

[thick minnow]

B7 is a really good one, damn.

Is it 20mhz?

[pseudo blade]

Yes

[thick minnow]

Damn, they should add 3CA at least

[pseudo blade]

Eat your heart out

That gives me up to about 60/30, else I need to use my phone for faster

[pseudo blade]

But I have never seen as fast as this before

[thick minnow]

Yeah looks like they just don't know how to do shit tbh.

20+20 should do more than 200mbps even.

[pseudo blade]

I wouldn't be surprised if that's the cell's uplink speed

I got double that in the evenings in my last town for downloads, though uploads remained the same

Testing 5G devices hasn't resulted in better performance even when sitting in that cell's shadow

...Or a bit further away so it works better

[thick minnow]

Damn, that isp really sucks then.

[pseudo blade]

We call it... Telstra

They do faster, just not here

Last year the cell pretty much went offline for a month

After doing it earlier that year

But the alternatives don't have a cell here at all

The neighboring cell has been down for like two weeks

[nimble sable]

i remember seeing a video linus did where he pointed out how 5g isn't always actually 5g, i live in downtown toronto, did that test with Bell Canada and Rogers...and indeed, i was never aable to actually get 5G, it said 5G but when i did the *#*#TEST#*#* thing it said LTE

[thick minnow]

Do you mean NSA?

[nimble sable]

damn $100 for 1Gig 😦

[thick minnow]

Toronto should be fully covered in n78 by all three

[nimble sable]

so should vancouver

[thick minnow]

Yeah, all the big cities basically

[nimble sable]

but...you clearly see in that video that it's LTE not 5G even though the phone says 5G

i cant remember what video it was though

[thick minnow]

Can you link it?

Oh okay. Because there is 5G NSA which is basically "5G" that needs the lte cells to function.

[nimble sable]

nsa?

[thick minnow]

I think only 30 carriers worldwide have Standalone 5G.

[thick minnow]

Non standalone

[nimble sable]

ooh

maybe that's it, the phone reports lte cuz it's nsa?

if anyone can remember the video where this happens ....cuz i cannot

[thick minnow]

Yeah probably. The phone and many apps will still show lte and its bands.

@nimble sable do you see the "LTE+NR"

NR = 5G

[nimble sable]

oh no it just says LTE

but that cud just be phone being phone

[thick minnow]

Which phone are you using?

[nimble sable]

either way, that's 1 more point for "wireless networking is full of confusing terminology and random lies"

[nimble sable]

pixel7pro

[thick minnow]

Interesting. Put some load on it and then try

Only if you have lots of data or unlimited because speedtests at a fast speed will use lots of data

[nimble sable]

i'll try with my dads iphone when he's here next month...since he shd have proper 5G from his provider

[thick minnow]

Alright

[waxen scroll]

omg me too

[nimble sable]

shot in the dark btw, do you know... 4x4*80Mhz=4*600Mbps=2400Mbps total bandwidth yea...so let's say i have TWO devices connected, each has 2x2. I get 1200Mbps on one. but, why can i not get 1200Mbps on the other at the same time? doens't MU-MIMO mean they shd be able to use both "2 streams" at the same time?

[thick minnow]

Are you talking about wifi?

[nimble sable]

yes

sorry switched topic but wanted to see if you knew, cuz no one has yet been able to give me a convincing answer

[peak cloak]

don't know much about wifi, but pretty sure thats not how it works

[nimble sable]

yea thats what the netgear dude told me as well

so i'm inclined to think that's true now, but i'm seeing a LOT of ppl online who are saying the opposite

[thick minnow]

I have no idea.

[thick minnow]

Yeah, sorry I have no idea 💀

Which devices are you using, because it's a bit confusing

[peak cloak]

looking at some vids, maybe??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6En9MjCPIM

again, alot is in theory

really I wouldn't worry about it at home

[sudden kayak]

I can't provide exact details but if you had the full picture & large scale metrics, you would know that LTE fixed wireless will never be competitive with wireline ISPs, even with current HFC networks... except that right now it's extremely low margin because they're just using excess capacity on existing towers

and that's not accounting for a lot of US cable companies switching over from downstream-heavy bandwidth allocation to mid/high-split

also hot take but there's nothing wrong with 5G NSA, the drawbacks are way overblown. the big argument is "if everyone is deploying NSA then nobody will bother deploying standalone and so it won't be standalone which is better because it's ~real~ 5G"

most of the benefit of "real" 5G standalone is extremely minor efficiency gains and cost savings for telcos plus the ability to easily do slick stuff like network slicing that has zero impact on regular consumer usage of the network

[nimble sable]

ooh ok, so 5G NSA does give the increased speeds just as well? thqt's nice

[dusk steeple]

hey all dumb question... is it possible to windows 10 hotspot from ethernet to wifi but KEEP the network access? Eg. the wifi hotspot network is 192.168.137.xxx and my local network stuff is 192.168.1.xxx

[distant condor]

hi I wanna connect both my PC's and my Laptop to ethernet, and I currently have a sinlge cat6e cable to my bedroom, what should I do? replace the router with a deco mesh (if so, which one) and connect the 5port switch I have to one of the decos, or just get another 5port switch to connect to the cable I'm currently using, to split bandwith to all PC's?

I just wanna make sure my own PC doesn't get placed in another queue somewhere because other devices are also using the network, and I can keep downloading at 250mbps while my laptop has video playing and my other pc f.e. is being gamed on

I should've thought this out before asking, huh

[peak cloak]

Just get a switch

Deco wouldn't help

Gaming and video streaming aren't that bandwidth intensity

[distant condor]

right yeah tha's what I though

we get 1gbit internet from out provider, so I though maybe if I was gonna get something anyway (although a switch is €20) I could just get a new mesh system and I'd actually be able to use the entire 1gbit

instead of what I have now which is 200down 250up

though I have no idea if that would change much

[thick minnow]

So you can only get a gigabit if you get the mesh wifi thing?

[distant condor]

only a gigabit; or only when using the mesh? which question are you asking?

[thick minnow]

Only when using the mesh

[distant condor]

yeah pretty much, since I'm on the 2nd floor and through the wall my PC is 70m from the router (I'm pretty sure it's the farthest possible corner of the house) I'm connected via 1: 1gbit port on the router > cat7 cable 20m > managable network switch Netgear 5 ports (1.4) > cat5 cable 10m > TP-Link EAP245 > cat6e 20m > PC

no we do not have a 70m cable :)

[thick minnow]

Oh okay. I see

[distant condor]

the switch is the simplest option with the least e-waste :)

I was just hoping to find an excuse to replace the entire shtuf

[thick minnow]

Yeah, just get the switch

[fallen totem]

Hello, I have a question about router performance. The net gate 2100 router claims up to ~950MBPs behind the firewall. Can someone please explain what this means technically speaking if I have 1gbps up and down internet?

[peak cloak]

It's not "behind" the firewall

Firewall performance, meaning how fast traffic can go through when firewall is enabled

At 10,000 ACLs they claim

[fallen totem]

Thanks for clarifying. So, does that mean that download speeds with firewall enabled will be no faster than ~950Mbps?

[peak cloak]

Yes, that's expected speed for gig anyway

Because of overhead, etc. You'll never get exactly 1000mbps

You would need a link faster than gig

[fallen totem]

Yeah I understand. Thanks. I’m just trying to identify the right equipment without over spec’ing or bottlenecking myself

[peak cloak]

I'm personally not a fan of pfsense but it's not bad

Can't wait for the webui for vyos to release, then I'll consider getting something for a vyos appliance to replace my er-x

[faint bronze]

Is it a 1gbps link layer or is it some company making up some theoretical kinda close (but totally rounding up) number?

The other number I was thinking of is the clock speed of the bus times lanes.

[peak cloak]

The interfaces are gigabit

[faint bronze]

So the link layer can go gigabit?

[peak cloak]

I guess technically

You technically loose around 373 mb due to common overheard

On 1500 byte packets, 14 is Ethernet, 20 is ipv4, 20 is tcp on top of that

[nimble sable]

do i need IDS/IPS btw?

[peak cloak]

For home, not really

[nimble sable]

thanks, that's what i thougth as well

[fallen totem]

Yeah it’s whatever AT&T gives me. On my current google Wi-Fi I measure ~800 down and up

[peak cloak]

Doing the math you can do 990 Mbps on just Ethernet

[nimble sable]

BAHA hold on, that means Wifi > wired

wifi max is 1200Mbps on 6 and 2400Mbps on 6e both more than 1Gbps

[peak cloak]

Keyword max

That's theoretical

In reality the radio spectrum is more complex, while with a wire it's more guaranteed

[nimble sable]

yea with the extra overhead of wifi i guess it ends upj being the same

[faint bronze]

Wrong. With Ethernet you can get 10gbe. Also latency is better on wired currently.

[peak cloak]

We're talking on gig interfaces

[nimble sable]

is it really? assuming regular 1Gbe and the best wifi6e AP?

[peak cloak]

Hell you can do >400gig on wired technically

[faint bronze]

*actually more, but that is an example of more.

[nimble sable]

yea restricting to gig cuz..well look at the wan

[fallen totem]

How impressive is that performance of a netgate 2100? Can a much cheaper appliance deliver that kind of performance?

[peak cloak]

idk hardware well ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[nimble sable]

i had its predecessor for YEARS and years until it died

[faint bronze]

Wifi6e can go a lot more than gigabit. I think I saw 9.6gb on some web page from tp link.

https://www.tp-link.com/us/wifi7/

Probably some advertising crap, but it is a number.

[peak cloak]

Advertising

[nimble sable]

well, going by previous times...if they say 9.6Gbps that prbly means 3Gbps IRL

[fallen totem]

Yeah I’m just thinking I want to identify the ‘right-size’ router for my situation. I guess ~950Mbps firewall throughput of the netgate 2100 for my 1G internet is appropriate and not overkill

[peak cloak]

6.9 gig on 802.ac

[nimble sable]

if tahts what it's rated for yea it shd be good

[peak cloak]

[faint bronze]

That is 8x8, so not your normal 2x2 adapter.

[nimble sable]

srsly though, i literally JUST upgraded to 6e and basically nothing in my house except my phone can use it

[peak cloak]

Yes, a scenario not found irl

[nimble sable]

i find 4x4 antennas to be really dumb. just split it into 2 2x2 bands wth so much better

5G_high and 5G_low is much better idea imo

[faint bronze]

Either way 900mbps is good enough for a 1gbe Ethernet adapter. if you want more just get 2.5gbe networking equipment or 10gbe networking (used).

[nimble sable]

as a sidenote, 2.5Gbe is actualy not that expensive depending on where you are, 10Gbe is a huge jump in price, at least it was for me

netgear has a really cheap 2.5/5 multigig port switch.

[faint bronze]

I had seen some 10gbe routing hardware for relatively cheap. it was even cheaper than the overkill over priced Netgear axe11000.

[nocturne comet]

Does anyone know if you are able to turn an old wifi router into a WISP router or wifi repeater?

[faint bronze]

Relatively cheap as in 300 USD for 6 ports of 10gbe.

[nimble sable]

really? switch, router or those all in one things?

i think i've seen some cheapish 10Gbe switchess, they're unmanaged so a bit less than the managed ones still like $300-$400ish though iirc

[faint bronze]

10gbe router server by supermicro. Not switch nor wifi.

[nimble sable]

oh nice, which one?

i was looking to switch out my custom build PC thing for a small appliance box (too much electricity with the custom built tbh) i ended up settling on "made by the company behind my firewall OS"

[faint bronze]

I don't know what the model name is. I think it is some custom board that a company bought lots a while ago. I think they were moving them out because their hardware warranty expired.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/143586569305

[lone kraken]

anyone got suggests for improving my wifi im tired of it being really jump in how good my ping is, i dont have the option for ethernet

[faint bronze]

Avoid channels that others are on and if you live near an airport don't use the channels that disable themselves when they see radar. Using a lesser channel width could help to improve ping.

[lone kraken]

wdym by that

[faint bronze]

By which part?

[lone kraken]

all of it lol

i dont know much about networking

[faint bronze]

Ok, so if you are on the same channel as your neighboring access points it is like people trying to yell over each other every now and then. Your wifi device and wifi router box will not be able to have a conversation as easily if others are talking nearby.

[lone kraken]

im on the 5g version of the wifi and everyone else uses the 2g

[faint bronze]

With wifi 5Ghz there is this wonderful feature that disabled your wifi if it sees radar from a nearby ground station it will temporarily disable its transmitter to not talk over the radar and possibly mess up some aircraft navigation and information systems. I don't understand that too well, but supposedly that can be problematic.

[lone kraken]

i mean i live in a small town but theres a small airport only used for small aircraft and not very often

but either way it happens pretty consistently no matter when

[faint bronze]

Well then that shouldn't be the problem.

Using a lesser channel width is just something from personal experience. I pushed my channel width up to 80Mhz and found it disconnecting more.

As another note, 5ghz does not pass through walls as easily as 2.4.

[lone kraken]

well i am on the other side of the house from the router

would it be helpful if i bought a wifi extender or repeater with an ethernet port and ethernet that way?

[faint bronze]

If the wifi box was more central then that would help improve the signal and ping likely.

[lone kraken]

my mom refuses to move it

[faint bronze]

I don't know about extenders nor repeaters. I understand what they do but not if this would be a use case for them.

[lone kraken]

im just trying to make it bareable til im able to move out

[faint bronze]

Maybe power line Ethernet?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-line_communication

[waxen saddle]

Have you looked in to powerline? Or MOCA, I know very little about moca, and powerline is…. Finicky. But it might be worth it

[lone kraken]

what are those?

[faint bronze]

Power line is using your normal outlet to transmit an internet connection.

[lone kraken]

how would that even work

[faint bronze]

MOCA is using coaxial wire like a cable wire to transmit the internet.

[lone kraken]

wdym by its finicky

[waxen saddle]

With powerline, it REALLY likes the raw wires. So extension cables, power strips, breakers, etc can all hinder the quality of the network connection. Basically, plug it straight in to the wall and make sure the other end is also on the same circuit for best performance.

[faint bronze]

When the ac lines cross zero you can transmit some data and that is how power line data functions. In reality you plug two boxes into outlets and the internet gets transmitted.

[lone kraken]

how do i know if there on the same circuit?

[waxen saddle]

Good question. I’m not an electrician, but I’m pretty sure it has to do with the breakers. If you flip a breaker and your outlets for both ends power off, they’re on the same circuit. I think.

[faint bronze]

Play a dangerous game of turn off breaker switches and see if both sides turn off at the same time. If neither turns off try the next breaker and so on.

[lone kraken]

sorry guys i really dont know much about this

[faint bronze]

That was basically a late repeat of what you said.

[lone kraken]

im not sure my mom will like the idea of my playing a fun game of flick the breakers til i get electricuted

[peak cloak]

False

It modulates on top of the AC waves

[faint bronze]

Getting electrocuted is not part of the plan.

[lone kraken]

id hope not lol

[peak cloak]

Switching breakers isn't dangerous ?

[faint bronze]

Ok. That is what I remember herring so maybe wrong.

[faint bronze]

Dangerous as in you might turn something important off and cause problems or lose data on a computer by just removing power.

[peak cloak]

I mean I guess??

But not dangerous as you will get electrocuted

If you are really worried about data you should have backups + a ups

[waxen saddle]

Anywhosles, powerline networking is just another potential solution. MoCA might be another. But all I know about it is that it “uses the cable TV wire” commonly found in many households.

[faint bronze]

Daily back what? Is that some kind of insurance I never heard of it.

[peak cloak]

Backups

Of important data

If it ain't backed up it ain't important

[faint bronze]

You are right, but outside of people who are tech enthusiasts I don't know anyone who does proper backups.

[sleek ferry]

I saw this cable on amazon basics. https://www.amazon.ca/AmazonBasics-Network-Ethernet-Patch-Cable/dp/B013PUN1AW/ but some of the comments seem to mention it may not actually be Cat7. And that the cable itself isn't labelled as Cat7. Also the specs sheet has a max speed of 10Gb/s. Not that most people buying the cable will actually need Cat7... but what do we think?

[faint bronze]

Linus should test those. I think they may have tested them before or that was HDMI and displayport.

[sleek ferry]

Yea I would love to see LTT Labs take a look at it.

I know they tested some HDMI cables

[peak cloak]

No 8p8c cable is cat7

So it's not cat 7

Just get 6 or 6a if you really need

Cat7 spec was made wayy back and used tera connectors, it was meant for data centers

Cat 8 I believe is an actual spec but extremely overkill

[lone kraken]

i have one of those right next to my desk, do you know any more about moca?

[lone kraken]

he should do a video on different ways to use ethernet/wifi, would be very helpful lol

[sleek ferry]

Yea a friend was about to order that and I already told them not to and that I'd make them a cable (out of Cat 6a I have lying around), but was more curious if Amazon Basics was... actually untrustworthy...

[waxen saddle]

Unfortunately I don’t. 😦

[sleek ferry]

Until now I amazon basics had a fairly high reputation to me... Not that it would be the best quality but at least that it would be what it said on the tin.

[meager ginkgo]

MoCA is awesome- it can do 2.5gbps total speed.

You need to find where your coax cables go.

They likely go to a box mounted on the exterior of your house

By the electric meter

You’ll need: A coax toner (if they aren’t labeled) , A MoCA compatible coax splitter (if you want more than one MoCA adapter) and two MoCA adapters (one receiving and one transmitting)

Everyone’s setup is different though so I’d recommend taking a picture of how the inside of that box looks, post it here and me and others can help

[peak cloak]

Guess what's prob gonna delay Artemis 1

A faculty Ethernet switch

You would think it would be redundant

For the radar

[radiant fable]

Ever since I put the extending router in ap mode my phone n pc keeps dropping in and out of the wifi

[unborn sluice]

Then don’t

[thick minnow]

Is it a TP Link extender?

They can mess mess with some wifi routers sometimes.

[radiant fable]

No it’s just a netgear router that we are using to extend wifi

[thick minnow]

But you have a second router right?

That's extending the signal

Sometimes they can cause wifi congestion and then it just stops working. Does it work when you connect via Lan?

[radiant fable]

Yea it does but the lan is straight from the modem

[thick minnow]

Does the modems wifi work?

[radiant fable]

Yes it does

All I’m doing is using the router to extend the modems wifi

Hence why the router is in ap mode

[thick minnow]

Which model is the router?

[radiant fable]

Uhh lemme check

Nighthawk r7000p

[thick minnow]

Ah. Just contact them. Maybe there is something wrong with the software.

[nimble sable]

Q: what would i do with 120GB of extra space on my router/firewall?

[peak cloak]

nothing?

[thick minnow]

I have a 128GB SSD in my router and don't use it

Because I don't have surveillance cameras

[thick minnow]

depends is it like a router router or a pf/open sense box?

if it’s the latter you could run some docker containers for sometime like syncthing

[nimble sable]

yea but like...syncthing what? i thought about like caching proxy or some such? I know NGFW type stuff like Sensei will use ALL the extra bits but i think i'd have no nearly enough CPU and RAM for that

[pseudo blade]

You know what? this pricing is actually worthless bar for the absolute lowest throughput demand devices. Even if it is prototype pricing and they have cheaper deals for bulk etc.

Was considering using it as last-resort connectivity for rural areas outside normal SIM coverage

Nah, they can just stick an Optus prepaid SIM in the second slot and it'll pay for itself the first time it's needed

Like that pricing's great for a remote pump/basic IoT counters because it scales to only a few dollars

But AFAIK no great cost effective options for SIMs that scale from no use for months to multiple gigabytes of use month to month

[pseudo blade]

Extra capacity on routers should be seen as a buffer, I wouldn't go too crazy on trying to consume it all...
but you could probably run a small fileserver in the space or similar as long as you make sure to keep the demand such it won't hurt routing performance or exhaust any resources.

[nimble sable]

yea, i have 8GB RAM but 120GB HDD that's a bit imbalanced anything that'd really use the 120Gb would need a lot more power so i dont wanna do it. good point

[thick minnow]

^

[thick minnow]

All 3 suck ass.

Their networks are a joke

[pseudo blade]

Hence wanting more than one

[jovial jewel]

need help with windows it keeps setting my speed limit to 10mbps even thouigh ive set it to 1gbps

[peak cloak]

Is the cable tested

Could be faulty cable

[jovial jewel]

cable is brand new

[jovial jewel]

cable is new and works with my MBP so idk

[thick minnow]

Cable could still be damaged, do you have a different one u can test?

[jovial jewel]

yeah ive tried

still the same outcome

[thick minnow]

is it connected to the router or modem?

make sure it’s not on a voice line

[jovial jewel]

Directly to the router, through the wall though, no adapters the cables just ran through a hole in the wall

I've bought my pc downstairs to try a different cable but still the same outcome

It can't be a voiceline it's directly plugged into the pc

[thick minnow]

Could you connect it directly to the modem and see if you get the same issue?

[jovial jewel]

Yes I do

[thick minnow]

can you log into the modem in a browser

it sounds like the port is set

[jovial jewel]

okay how do i do that @thick minnow

[thick minnow]

there should be something that looks like a ip address on the modem

@jovial jewel honestly just call ur isp they should be able to fix it

[pseudo blade]

So you say regardless of cable connecting to the router gives you 10mbps on that computer?

And your macbook in the same spot gets gigabit if the cables are connected to it instead?

If so I'd try uninstalling and reinstalling the NIC driver as a shortcut for determining if it's a driver and/or driver config problem you're not seeing.

I'd check if it's the newest one for that model of NIC at the same time.

It's actually not likely to be a router config problem in the context of a home router, most do not offer that level of control anyways.

[thick minnow]

oh i didn’t see that

[thick minnow]

true it would have to be like mac address specific negotiation or something very unlikely

[candid glacier]

what is a good cheap router to experiment with

[peak cloak]

wdym by experiment?

BGP? VLANS?

[candid glacier]

to upgrade and port forward with

[thick minnow]

uh upgrading isn’t really a thing with consumer routers

[candid glacier]

port forward

[faint bronze]

A raspberry pi and two Ethernet adapters can do routing. Also an old desktop with two interfaces can route. Cisco 1921 if you want Cisco...

[warm pecan]

What would the minimum tubing size(with some corners) that would allow a MPO/MTP connector blind pull get pass?
The idea was house having remodel, want to leave tubing for a few fiber connection, if I can pull a MPO pass that tube then I could do the whole thing without any on-site splicing and I assume MPO is already the smallest connector I could get for a 12 core connection in this case?

(Or will that require a pipe that outright too thick so I should bite the bullet and pull a non-pre-terminated fiber and do 24 on-site splicing

[peak cloak]

Any respectable router can port forward

[waxen scroll]

Except anything mikrotik

Better get a ubnt

[peak cloak]

well it can....

not a fan of routeros

[waxen scroll]

Me either

[peak cloak]

can't wait for vyos webui, I'll honestly consider getting a appliance for just it

I just want a modern er-x

[pseudo blade]

Go for a Mikrotik hAP lite

Or a hAP AC2 if not that cheap

[pseudo blade]

I am confused because it's very easy to do

[peak cloak]

Not for a newbie

[pseudo blade]

Use the app

Or quickset (nvm not exposed via quickset)

[peak cloak]

You can pf in quickset?

[pseudo blade]

It is easier than my ISP modem via the app

[peak cloak]

I don't want to have to use an app

[pseudo blade]

Use full winbox/webfig then lol

[peak cloak]

I just find routeros clumsy to use

[pseudo blade]

I agree, but not for basic tasks

Scripting is clumsy. The API is clumsy. Container is almost impossibly clumsy. The user group permissions system is mediocre. Don't bother with SMB.

Routing/NAT is merely flexible

I don't consider UBNT to be equivalent really, fills a different space

[nimble sable]

Was watching an ltt video that made me think i shd check what my local ix is... Well. Tldr: bell and telus Canada do not peer with torix wtaf

i just...i have no words for this

[sudden tapir]

Can someone help me

Why doesn’t my network adapter work

[unborn sluice]

It doesn't want to

[thick minnow]

ask it very nicelyk to work

[full monolith]

Ask it to hit the griddy

[full monolith]

"good" dsl in germany

[thick minnow]

It's not like this everywhere

How much does a plan like this cost?

[full monolith]

Prob like 40-50 dont know atm

Not my line tho

Its at a brand new house where we do the bathroom installation

(Thats my job lol)

[pseudo blade]

That's excellent for xDSL

[thick minnow]

Sorry but they connect new houses in Germany to xDSL???

Bro

Is Telekom on drugs? 💀

[full monolith]

How do you want to connect a house with fiber when theres none?

I mean a friend of mine is at o2 with dsl and his line can give a gigabit synced

Like he dont has that but one day tech support was checking the line and he showed me a speedtest of nearly 930mbits on 300m line lebght

[bold drum]

Hmm there's a ton of Juniper EX3300 PoE switches with 10 gig uplinks on eBay. Slightly damaged with bad PoE on 1 or 2 ports but for the price...

[sudden kayak]

yeah i mean modern dsl can get pretty fast

[thick minnow]

I mean it's better for the future to connect it with fiber. Aren't all the cables buried under the roads?

[thick minnow]

Mine is 900m away and only 40mbps 💀

[full monolith]

There are no emty pipes for fiber...

[thick minnow]

Ah okay.

[full monolith]

Germany was littearly choosing coax instead of fiber in 1980

[thick minnow]

Here they rip the DSL out and put FTTH

In the areas lucky enough.