audio-tech

[dapper sorrel]

lol

[oak minnow]

True, but I use my Kali 6v2’s for bass so between clarity and that im happy lol

[livid ruin]

They discontinued 6xx recently right?

sad days

[dapper sorrel]

idk commerical line of speakers lol

[livid ruin]

but more manufacturers are starting to produce better sounding headphones like cmf recently

forgot what was the other brand

[dapper sorrel]

Yet so many ppl will never be able to enjoy the

🙁

[chrome imp]

I think you can still buy them from the sennheiser website

[dapper sorrel]

Fucking streaming companys

[livid ruin]

Nice

[chrome imp]

I'll be buying another pair, gave my old one away to my brother when I got these Anandas

[dapper sorrel]

There's some at Staples in Canada

[oak minnow]

True, back to that, ya im considering the apple airpod pro 3’s and xm6’s but because I am out and about all the time I am a little concerned about price or survivability! Also with the airpods is im unsure if I will stick with iphone or not as I hold no loyalty to any brand. If someone else does something better I will switch (except camera gear cause that shit is to expensive to switch)

[livid ruin]

No idea why would corsair discontinue them

[chrome imp]

they're just axing all of Drop

iirc

[livid ruin]

isn't profit a profit though?

[chrome imp]

I'm in michigan, so close but no cigar

[dapper sorrel]

I've hade Airpods pro 2's since launch (same pair), I hade Xm5's now onto Xm6's. I treat all my headphones with great shit 🙂 no problems yet

[livid ruin]

Found it y

[dapper sorrel]

My airpods r banged up well the case but they still work, Mic kinda went back cause got fully of chalk in it.

[livid ruin]

thx tho

[dapper sorrel]

XM6's just be careful ish and you'll be fine

[chrome imp]

I'm also picking up a pair of Meze 109 Pros this summer, stoked for that

[livid ruin]

I tried all song xms at a store but the pads are too small for my ears

[dapper sorrel]

They aren't the best with swet if ima be fully honest

but the sound quality and ANC

heaven

[oak minnow]

I tried the airpods 2 compared to the linkbuds s when they still made those and found it to be worse (tbf I think my ear shape just fit the link buds in a way that made them fit so well even modern anc couldn’t beat it in terms of passive sealing so thats not the buds themselves lol)

[livid ruin]

Yeah pleather would be fine if it wasn't touching almost all of my ears

larger pads

i prefer velour/fabric the most

[dapper sorrel]

Airpods pro 3 got a new shape

But i've heard the bass sounds off

[dapper sorrel]

Same but not as good for ANC

or outdoors'y type environments

[livid ruin]

I like when my ears aren't under a chamber

as well

[dapper sorrel]

Half the time I use my XM6's as hearcups lol

[dapper sorrel]

And that's why I have 4 pairs of headphones

lol

might be a bit much

but all for diffrent shit

[livid ruin]

Dw i have multiple hd560s

I had like 20+ keyboards in total

[chrome imp]

nah I'll be expanding the collection to 4 this summer

I've got two pairs of studio monitors in my room too

[livid ruin]

10+ headphones total that i own or owned

but i tried way more

great thing i visited that audio store

[oak minnow]

Ya that’s what im concerned about, also paying 400 cad

[oak minnow]

Real!!!

[dapper sorrel]

I got AIrpods pro 2, XM6's XM5's, HD 560s and HD 820

[dapper sorrel]

Think apple got 30 day return window

[livid ruin]

Hd 820 chunky

[dapper sorrel]

Coudl try em out

[dapper sorrel]

lol

yes

Also rky fucking expensive

[oak minnow]

Hd600, akg240, xm4’s, m50x’s (2 of them. Not proud of them but they are nice as monitors when your actively recording especially since I dgaf if they die-) and a bunch of ear buds and iems over the years

[livid ruin]

I was surprised by ugreen max 5c

[dapper sorrel]

same

[livid ruin]

such a cheap pair of cans

such good sound

but the padd are small again :triggered:

[dapper sorrel]

i heard they were shit

might've been miss informed

[livid ruin]

Maybe people were exaggerating how much distortion affects the sound?

to me it wasn't noticeable

[dapper sorrel]

I aint a big headphones geek

[livid ruin]

It was somewhere in 900-2000hz

[dapper sorrel]

nor rly a sound quality geek

[dapper sorrel]

oh mid voice range

smh

[livid ruin]

Yeah thd didn't look good but that's really just nitpicking on a $20-30 headphone

[dapper sorrel]

valid

I just hate it when I spend hours setting a system up just for some DJ or sound guy to crank the shit and blow my speakers

Or just make it sound so baaaad

[livid ruin]

Rip

[dapper sorrel]

lol

[livid ruin]

I'm mr krabs money @chrome imp thx again it went up more

no idea why they're going this crazy over a collab

but i assume it's also due to hongkong shares being depleted at reasonable prices

[fast stratus]

Same.

[elder thistle]

a while ago I was able to try out a shure srh1840

it was defective (I think), with legendary levels of distortion that made 100hz sound like a triangle wave at normal volumes

this stretched down to 60hz (frequency extension below that doesn't exist) and tapered out all the way to 1-1.2k until it was inaudible

best mids I've ever heard

I was disappointed when I switched it out for an hd600, but it was ultimately a much more useful headphone

[buoyant vale]

Sure sounds defective, I don't remember them distorting

[dapper sorrel]

Damn

[blazing minnow]

~12” wide Bluetooth speaker with exceptional bass for edm music?

$300 max

I just got the Soundcore Motion X600. It has excellent clarity, but I’m missing the low end :/

[glad creek]

Considering a decent wired non Bluetooth subwoofer costs more than that and also weight like 20kg at least you will not have anything exceptional for this budget with your criteria

[verbal fog]

if i had to get that together id shoot for used stuff and a bluetooth to aux but thats just how i see it

[honest spruce]

Anyone able to help out with some recommendations?

[lone flame]

About?

[shut crystal]

Does anyone have any recommendations for a portable handheld wireless microphone that can go at least 300ft?

[patent frigate]

what would be the next step up from my hd560s?

[keen blade]

hi does anyone know about music production?

im looking for some headphones which are both loud and have a decent range>

[keen blade]

thats very specific

[livid ruin]

boya by v series

if you have a local store that sells amazon return goods you can get them for like $1-2 a piece

the audio quality isn’t the best but it’s one of the better cheap clip on mics

retail prices are like $20-30 for them

[winged valve]

any advice for customization on xm6 earphones?

[civic beacon]

Customization ... how? If you want to change their behaviour or sound profile, use Sony's app.
https://www.sony.ca/en/electronics/support/software/00269130

[winged valve]

that i know

i just wanted insights from current owners

boy does it already sound good out of the box

im just concerned about the driver size shrinking from my daily

11 to 8.4

[civic beacon]

Like camera megapixels, size != quality.

[winged valve]

but the anc

[zenith pawn]

should be more accurate to judge the driver based on frequency response rather than size

[winged valve]

my current daily

[fast stratus]

@winged valve This EQ seemed reasonable. (Might want to reduce bass, otherwise within my preferences.)

[winged valve]

sony does 20-20khz

[fast stratus]

You would have to like brightish V shaped tuning though.

[zenith pawn]

Well... The actual magnitude frequency response curve not just the range that they think it reproduces decently

[winged valve]

oh

not sure where i could find them

freebuds pro 3

[fast stratus]

Wait, you said earphones, nvm.

I thought you meant the WH-1000XM6.

[winged valve]

.

wf-1000xm6

[fast stratus]

Yeah, mb.

[winged valve]

great naming by sony

[fast stratus]

REAL

But that also isn't the reason I misread, just skill issue.

You clearly said earphone and not headphone.

https://earphonesarchive.squig.link/?share=Harman_2025_MoA_Average_Target,5128_DF_Target,SONY_WF-1000XM6_(ANC)

If you know what preference target you like, graph sniffing is useful for EQ.

Keep in mind your ears are different than the measurement rig.

[dapper sorrel]

I reduced the bass since I took that ss

[fast stratus]

Makes sense, your eq was pretty heavy on bass.

[winged valve]

wf or wh

[dapper sorrel]

Although I live for bass, the drivers in the XM6’s lack that looow 20-40Hz punch

[fast stratus]

wh

[fast stratus]

This is why I like my cans.

[dapper sorrel]

Also lowered 2k by one and 1k by one

[fast stratus]

Deep bass goes brrrr

[dapper sorrel]

No headphone will ever make me happy with bass

I loooove my 10-40hz

Yes I said 10hz not a typo

[fast stratus]

If you are in Van you should demo mine.

oh nvm

10hz

lmao

[dapper sorrel]

I am not

Other side of the country lol

[dapper sorrel]

I want to feel my bass

[fast stratus]

Toronto peeps have meetup groups.

[dapper sorrel]

But no headphones can ever do that

[dapper sorrel]

Nah

The French part

[fast stratus]

Quebec moment.

[dapper sorrel]

Ye sir

Fuck the French though

Garbage language

[fast stratus]

Willy might be accessible for store demos, check out Quebec Acoustic.

[zenith pawn]

Well I think the original point I was making got lost, what I was trying to lead towards is that the effect of the driver size would basically just be whether it sounds less like your preference
So if it sounds good then you are fine

[dapper sorrel]

I’m less a headphone guy

More big driver go bomb bomb

[fast stratus]

I imagine someone looking for 10hz would be a speaker guy.

But you never know.

[dapper sorrel]

lol

I just do live sound

So I gotta make the ppl feel it

[winged valve]

it's just 3mm, an idiot like me can't tell

but a 3 inch and 8 inch sub, day and night

[warm scarab]

what song has 10hz

[winged valve]

brotha you can't even hear 10hz

or you want to feel 10hz?

[winged valve]

i heard so many people complain about the charging case being so bulky

i dont see anything wrong with the case design tho

[fast stratus]

It not being rounded on the top and bottom makes it harder to pocket as easily.

Not really that hard though.

[winged valve]

i dropped my previous one numerous times, including the toilet.

i would like some security in my pocket for my overpriced earbuds that i got on a huge discount for

my dad lost the xm4's because of the case

[winged valve]

eq tune

[hollow oxide]

Which sony headphones?

I know that 8kHz is already harsh on the XM6 so increasing that is questionable

[buoyant vale]

pretty sure they are on about the in-ears

[hollow oxide]

The Earbuds?

[buoyant vale]

yeah

[winged valve]

wf-1000xm6

the earbud

i just got along with the wonky mids

[hollow oxide]

Tbh the earbuds are really nicely balanced

[winged valve]

no wonder it sounded good out of the box

the earbud is practically underrated compared to the headphones too

i still wonder how the hell does the anc work this good

[hollow oxide]

Yeah

[hollow oxide]

Black magic

[winged valve]

must be black magic

[hollow oxide]

Most audiophiles will probably hate anything that isn’t neutral or perfect but for 99% of normies, the XM6 earbuds or headphones will sound great

[winged valve]

more of a broke (either way) idiot rather than an audiophile

might as well get studio headphones or speakers if you want neutral

[hollow oxide]

Yeah

We have some Sony MDR 7506 at home. They still sound great in 2026

But 99% of music i prefer listening to on the ANC headphones

EQ just makes a massive difference compared to the competition

I think Bose QC Ultra’s would be better if they also had a 10 band eq

I want to specifically bring down 31hz and 125hz

[dapper sorrel]

That ain’t right

U gotta look at either ANC or no ANC

They are different

[hollow oxide]

Lemme look again. Thanks for the reminder

[winged valve]

studio or monitor speakers

whatever

[dapper sorrel]

Audiophiles are delusional

[dapper sorrel]

If u want to get a nice clean naturel sound go with studio monitors

Speakers normally have pre configed EQ

[winged valve]

@dapper sorrel

[muted imp]

I mean, that's technically what I did, and I technically count as a normie.

[winged valve]

normie ≠ broke idiot

[muted imp]

Wait w h u t

Okay, now that's confusing.

[winged valve]

i thought everyone who had the thought of good audio is considered financially literate

not to be confused with normal audio

[hollow oxide]

Agreed.

[chrome imp]

Idk what’s going on in here

[dapper sorrel]

Good

[chrome imp]

What do you guys consider audiophiles then

[empty plover]

What are your thoughts on the Ugreen Max5c?

[hollow oxide]

Idk. I haven’t looked at reviews of them

[winged valve]

no dolby atmos support, bad product!!!

[left jungle]

IKR

[fast stratus]

[hollow oxide]

Audiophiles xD

[winged valve]

true audiophiles have deep pockets

this is the desperate kind

[winged valve]

still trying to get used to it, especially in public

[lean grove]

one of the easiest purchases to make if you need cheap wireless headphones

[fast stratus]

This tbh.

They are oddly competent for the absurdly low budget price point they sit at.

[lean grove]

it gives a peak behind the curtain for how much money companies like bose and sony are making on their headphones

consumer audio is a failed market

[fast stratus]

It's not really fair to compare those products, the Sony and Bose stuff is clearly better by a lot, it is just crazy how much value there is in the budget segment.

Just the fact that they are almost as cheap or even cheaper than the replacement pads for most of my previous headphones is crazy.

[lean grove]

yes and no. ANC and passthrough are going to be where the differences are biggest.

[fast stratus]

Biggest difference for sure.

I haven't tried WH-1000XM6, but the 5 has extremely impressive anc.

[lean grove]

but otherwise the ugreens are on par and sometimes better than the fancy consumer headphones from best buy.
so when you have a pair of $40 bluetooth headphones that aren't that much worse than $400 bluetooth headphones, i can only assume that the people making the $400 headphones have some very nice margins.

[fast stratus]

I bet you sony makes 30% margin or more, pulled the number out of my ass though.

R&D could be more expensive than I think.

[lean grove]

what i've heard from people who have worked in speakers is that there's a 4x-5x difference between material costs and the cost of the final product.

but in this case idk. headphones are an incredibly uncompetative market because consumers dont have any information on what makes a good headphone.

[fast stratus]

Way lower estimate of below 10% according to search overview.

[lean grove]

yeah i dont believe that

[fast stratus]

Idk how believable that is, but those people probably did more research than me 9/10 times.

[lean grove]

actually

i bet you marketing is where all the money is going

that would factor into the price of the headphones

[fast stratus]

Ahhhh

Starts to make sense now ig.

[lean grove]

yeah. because i was right that consumers have no idea what makes a headphone better before buying it. but companies in that situation still spend zillions on advertisements.

would be a much nicer world if that weren't the case but oh well

[winged valve]

why does my soundbar able to hit real low hertzes outside of bass extension

the subwoofer sounds better without it 😭

[glad creek]

@winged valve what does that even mean

[winged valve]

my soundbar has a bass extension option that somehow reduces bass

especially at the low end

yamaha bass extension

[restive sigil]

Sound bars are built with key factors in mind.

1. Budget conscious
2. Space saving
3. Ease of setup and use.

Sound quality isnt within the top 3 considerations. Keep that in mind.

[winged valve]

1. im a broke idiot rather than an audiophile
2. it was free cuz i picked it up from a storage room in my house
3. an eq tune should be enough
4. the built in subwoofers are a miracle from it's size

[restive sigil]

EQ isnt the magic fix it all like gaffer tape lol

[winged valve]

well it's good enough for me

it does decent wubs

[restive sigil]

So why complain? XD if you enjoy just enjoy

[winged valve]

i was just surprised because bass extension cuts lots of low end wubs

despite it's intention to be vice versa

[winged valve]

the 8 year old stock soundbar sounded like shit, eq tune required to modernize it

plus in 85-110hz range, the bass is overblown, treble sounds muddy so fixed that

[civic beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-nick-simpsons-flammable-inflammable-gif-10204097

Words like "bass extension" mean whatever the manufacturer wants you to think they mean. Just because I tell you X does not mean that X is true. Marketing is dangerous.

[winged valve]

i know the clear voice doesn't work at all... so

[glad creek]

Any cheap USB sound card that would give me spdif out with 5.1 ?

I guess it needs dts connect / dolby digital live but idk

I guess soundblaster x4

[winged valve]

last time i checked that i didnt notice the spdif out

[glad creek]

It does have it

[winged valve]

boy was i that desperate on the barrel jacks

yep it does

dad please dont add your sonos ecosystem to my room

[glad creek]

I have a stupidly high end audio setup BUT I have SOOO many bugs with sound from the HDMI and I'm looking at alternatives ...

[winged valve]

with toslink he could repurpose the unused play:1's with a ray and sub mini

[winged valve]

i have a tv soundbar as my desktop audio setup, its not that stupid

it's fine on hdmi

it's just linux that boggles me

[glad creek]

Why ?

Linux is super ez audio-wise with something like kde

[winged valve]

well

[zenith pawn]

pipe wire

[winged valve]

hdmi's carry audio and video

even to a soundbar

i have a cable from gpu to soundbar (HDMI in), soundbar (HDMI out) to the monitor which acts as a placeholder since my monitor is using dp

without plugging in the monitor from the soundbar fedora/gnome puts my 1440p monitor into 1080p as a default resolution

i dont know how to fix it to have different resolutions on duplicate/mirror displays

windows doesn't have this problem

[winged valve]

did you try a better cable?

[glad creek]

I tried sooooo many things haha

I think I may have forgot to try disabling VRR ? I'm not sure, I've had the issue for so long now ....

But pretty sure it's not on by default on linux and I didn't enable it and I had the issue so eh

[winged valve]

i love virtual surround

it's 'so good'

my soundbar struggles to produce side surrounds 😭

[glad creek]

I hate it lmao

And well, a soundbar can't do side surrounds

[winged valve]

but a manufacturer can make it so

[glad creek]

Yeah then it's not just a soundbar anymore if you have satellite speakers

[winged valve]

honestly

soundbars can't produce any surrounds at all

just 3 or 3.1 channels max

[glad creek]

Well yes, and 3.1 only with a dedicated sub

Anyone here has a minidsp flex ht?

[winged valve]

insulted as a soundbar user with built in 3" sub

[glad creek]

I have no idea how it is legal to call a 8cm speaker a sub lol

[winged valve]

japenese engineering

[glad creek]

I have 2 8" woofer + 1 6.5" per speaker and I still took 2 dedicated 16" subwoofers

[winged valve]

it's more of an 'audible' low end bass rather than the room shaking kind

any more decibels of bass and it distorts because of the physical restrictions

[glad creek]

Now it's not audible low end bass

you don't have any audible low ends with a 3" sub it's kind of physically impossible

[winged valve]

ok it can nearly produce 30hz

BUT it has a sub out port

problem is

it's one rca

[glad creek]

yeah well anything below 80Hz is probably unusable on a 3" woofer and i'm generous

And yeah all sub out are one rca

[buoyant vale]

that is pretty standard

[winged valve]

it can produce 45 quite well before it fades out

[buoyant vale]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[glad creek]

I am pretty sure it does not it is physically impossible

[winged valve]

can it be hooked up with a dedicated sub that has two rca inputs?

[buoyant vale]

yes

just use the left normally

[winged valve]

im afraid im getting half the volume

[buoyant vale]

that is not how it works

[glad creek]

My high end floor speakers with 2x2 8" + 2x 6.5" + one bass vent + they weight like 70kg will not go below 40Hz

and it's already insanely low

And even real subwoofers struggle to go below 40Hz

[winged valve]

eq tooning to perform 45

[glad creek]

eq tuning will not change anything

You can probably hear something when putting volume up and only outputting a 45Hz sine wave

But that's not something you will have with normal use

Also harmonic distorsion is not 45Hz
So when you hear somethign when sending 45Hz in fat you are hearing harmonic distorsion and that will be at 90 / 135 / 180 Hz etc @winged valve

[winged valve]

it's really black magic

[glad creek]

So nothing at 45

well it's harmonic distorsion

you are not hearing a 45Hz signal but the harmonics that are at 90Hz or more

[winged valve]

if it helps there's two of the 3" subs, each with their own bass reflex port

[buoyant vale]

It does not

[winged valve]

understood

[winged valve]

but it has two subs that doubles low bass-

[buoyant vale]

And double nothing is?

[winged valve]

but it's double something

[buoyant vale]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-copium-gif-gif-16769069044176343234

[zenith pawn]

bro has double the harmonic distortions

Is it not obvious to you the difference between octaves

[chrome imp]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-jim-carrey-dumb-and-dumber-jim-carrey-i-don't-hear-you-gif-9558280472791987858

[winged valve]

ima check it again later

[glad creek]

as said you are hearing harmonic distorsion at higher frequency

[winged valve]

ugh what do you want youtube

you bombarded me with ads for the wf 1000xm6, and I got it

[glad creek]

use an ad blocker

[winged valve]

now you're bombarding me with the headphones?

ublock let's have a deal

[winged valve]

no???

[glad creek]

why do you say no

how do you know that

[winged valve]

its just not as strong as a regular sub, but audible enough from a distance

[buoyant vale]

https://tenor.com/view/he-doesn't-know-the-matrix-agent-gif-13054952393861336642

[winged valve]

1. played a song that targeted 40hz, produced flawlessly
2. tone test at the bass levels, found out it drowns out below 45
3. i managed to distort it and know how does it sound like; eq tuned it right below the limit

[glad creek]

Well you still haven't checked if it's 40Hz and not 80Hz harmonics

[winged valve]

let me finish my birthday celebration and then I'll get back to you

[winged valve]

faintly wubs 20hz

can't hear anything but feel air

[winged valve]

distinctively different

audible from 30hz and above

it is that engineered

[hollow oxide]

Finally a decent review instead of the usual normies.

https://youtu.be/l0DSV8RqNYs?is=PnczBLhdlhiRUUJh

What i mean by “normies” is the peeps that the headphones typically get sent to

[lone flame]

@white gate
Excuse me for the ping but i have an Question where you maybe have an answer to it.

There is the Qualcomm aptx lossless BT Codec.

Is it truly Lossless? or is it lossy?

Because everywhere i see that it's lossless

[verbal fog]

i feel like it could be done

it also depends on the device but they make some pretty fair sounding small speakers that gave acceptable bass but it also probably depends on a lot

man the minimus 7s have a 4 inch woofer 3 inches is pretty small

[winged valve]

why was i about to ask you if they had the earphone version made

[low fossil]

I want to get a new audio setup for my desk, this is the current schematic layout. Roughly what I'm looking for is on the right, although I'm not particularly familiar with feature sets.

I figure it makes the most sense to start with the mic (and swivel arm), so I'm wondering what I need to be aware of when looking around or what suggestions you all may have. I can answer more questions as needed, I just don't know what exactly would be important.

[winged valve]

holy hell how did you make this diagram that's impressive af