audio-tech

[thin void]

I think canada is WHY they made those things war crimes

[restive sigil]

LOL

prob tbh..

[honest spruce]

so better than the 560 or 600's for gaming?

[thin void]

Yes, thoguh I find the 6X0 series more comfortable for long sessions I will note

[restive sigil]

yep, lighter + less clamp than beyer. and even if clamp is not nice, can bend sennheiser... (A BIT)

[honest spruce]

what exactly makes is so good for gaming?

[thin void]

the frequency response, the measured sound that reaches your eardrum is very close to the optimal range for gaming

[honest spruce]

how is the imaging and comfort for long sessions?

[thin void]

Imaging is stellar, thats pretty much a result of the FR. I find the top band a big lacking after a few hours but its at least better than things like... well... pretty much all gaming headsets on the market

I wonder if capra makes a head strap for the 38X

@agile moon ?

[honest spruce]

i dont need a mic though, but i guess its still the best option?

[thin void]

if gaming sound specifically alone is the main goal I would say yes, but the 6X0 will be very close and is a better built headphone over all.

[haughty girder]

smth like half the Geneva conventions was everything the Canadians did

[honest spruce]

might be a stupid question but what exactly is gaming sound?

[restive sigil]

wide, impactful, fast.

[thin void]

relatively neutral over-all sound that adheres closely to the sound-curve of the population average ear, with a slight increase in the 100-300hz range

[honest spruce]

100-300 is that where the "footsteps" and those kinda effects fall?

[thin void]

roughly yeah, through only slight elevations benefit this range. Too much and its counterproductive

its more that the fundimental base harmonic of footsteps land in that range

but they have upper-harmonics all through the frequency range

having the fundimental base harmonic range elevated will prob result in a little more THD, but localization of upper harmonics go brrrrr

well, as much as we can localize with headphones anyway.

[restive sigil]

gaming on e-stats is the way to go

[honest spruce]

if the fr is so good, wouldnt they be great for movies, and a lot of other stuff too? isnt that what you want

[thin void]

the new SJY estat will probably be a gaming monster when it comes out

[thin void]

realistically to some degree yes. The optimal FR range for gaming is quite close to the optimal FR range for listening

[restive sigil]

SJY ?

[thin void]

its an indie audio company in texas, he just showed off an estat proto in NYC at an event and its one of the best headphones ive ever tested

[restive sigil]

. . . why dont we get CanJam in Canada >: ( im sad

[thin void]

if enough people asked Jude he would probably set one up

[restive sigil]

🥺

[honest spruce]

oh, it thought it was one optimal fr for everything lol

[thin void]

they're both within the same "range"

[honest spruce]

how do you know or measure that the sound or whatever is optimal for gaming? like how do you know the sound you hear is accurate for what the developers intended it to be?

[agile moon]

i think my hd5xx strap will work

[thin void]

what the developers intended in a big rabbit hole, but we know how people experience sound as an average, how that sound changes based on direction, etc

which can be measure via either test fixtures, or via microphones in real human ears

[agile moon]

loaded question because for all we know it was mixed on a messed up set of headphones and wasnt cross-referenced with multiple outputs

"as the artist intended" matters way less than "sounds good to me"

[lean grove]

Rare brain de capra cameo

[lone flame]

Why don't you build one instead 😄

[thin void]

were it so simple

[lone flame]

You also got your HRTF measured correct?

[thin void]

yup! About 3 years ago

[lone flame]

Did you experience what Golden and the other experienced too?

Also with the Töne Gen story?

[thin void]

100% its shocking

It really is all FR and HRTF is the key

well, in ear mics + HRTF is the key

but I think in the coming years HRTF will be a much easier factor to control for

[lone flame]

Because people told me because of Fletcher-Munson-Curves

And that the "making the frequencies sound equally loud" is false

And now I'm bit confused

[thin void]

very different subject

FM curves when applied in things like APP3 or galaxy buds are trying to compensate for listener preference based on loudness changes

but wouldnt have a notable effect on HRTF

[lone flame]

I started making my headphones sound "equally loud on the whole FR range* years ago and yeah. People told me it's not natural or how our ears wants it

[thin void]

depends

when i'm doing in-ear mic sweeps I can def hear the peaks/dips, then see them on screen

I do try to lower those audible peaks

so that somewhat follows equal loudness

I mean realistically thats how they tuned HD6X0 series

people with foot pedals in a diffuse field room and speakers

one pedal turns on speakers, another turns on headphones

they would use EQ dials on to adjust the headphones to sound like the speakers in a diffuse field

[lone flame]

Example. This is my current EQ for my HD800s

For me every frequency sound about equally loud

[thin void]

oh interesting, thats quite low on ear gain

[lone flame]

It sound really good. Vocals are clean and come through perfectly etc and Soundstage and imaging is insanely huge and precise

[lone flame]

Yeah idk I'm sensitive to Eargain region

With IEMs I have a huge like 15dB or more peak at 3-5khz

[thin void]

I would be curious how that measures on-head, you measured this on a 5128?

[lone flame]

Oh no it's just the EQ uploaded to 5128 xD. That are listeners neasurements

[thin void]

ahhhh! so something to note

[lone flame]

On my head it would look different

[thin void]

EQ changes rarely measure the same way they apply

I could pull someting down 6db in software but only see a 2db change when measured

[lone flame]

Oh lol

[thin void]

sometimes the other way too

[lean grove]

Wouldn't someone's preferred listening volume factor into that?

Like if I prefer to listen at 80db and you have someone who listens at 90db wouldn't fletcher munsen impact our tuning preferences

[lone flame]

Well idc how it measures. Just how it sounds xD

But would you say my method of Ewing has big flaws?

[thin void]

that would be a reasonable assumption I think yes

[lone flame]

Bcs i wanna make the HD800s sound real

HRTF close

[thin void]

yes and no. It depends on a lot of factors honestly. EQ is quite hard and in-ear mics are just a tool that makes it easy. You will prob get wider-swept results EQ-ing this way, but its not far off from methodology ive seen work.

@white gate may have good input here as well

[thin void]

^ Golden this is waht im referring to

[lone flame]

@thin void I asked him about that. Thats his response

But other people said it's "wrong" because of the Eargain part

And now I'm just confused or I misunderstood something

[thin void]

I would say golden's answer here reflects mine and I think its reasonable to follow your current methodology, though with the note that uploading that EQ curve to a graph tool will likely have odd results.

[primal fulcrum]

New Sound Blaster Sound Card
https://nordic.creative.com/p/sound-blaster/sound-blaster-audigy-fx-pro

[restive sigil]

80$ ?

suspicous

[lone flame]

yeah ik that Rigs are technically totally nonsense the further you go up in frequency maybe the only real useful things you can consider is upper bass and mids up to idk maybe 3K to get

like here

[lone flame]

i would never go onboard

so much stuff in there that can cause interference.
just get a apple dongle for less.

There are also plenty DAC/AMPs (external) in that price range that are great

[white gate]

So far in our testing (and I think @thin void as well) it kinda is.

If you hear peaks/dips, it's worth correcting them.
The bit that is less certain (and harder to nail anyway) is overall balance. It's a lot easier to identify a peak where it's 6dB louder from 12khz to 12.8khz than it is to compare 12khz to 400hz.

Use tone gen to EQ out the narrow stuff until you're not getting obvious peaks/dips, then use broader EQ and tilt adjustments to dial in your preference. (This bit just takes practice tbh).

I'd also say, it's generally fine to use Auto-EQ either for low frequencies or as a starting point. The issue with Auto-EQ isn't that 'it's bad and you shouldn't use it', just that it's really worth being aware it's not ACTUALLY making things 'correct' or flat for you personally.

[vernal folio]

Anyone got experience with the Sony ULT Wear or XM4s? Budget is around that range and I'm open to other suggestions too. I'm big on bass, like subwoofer-in-every-car level, but I also need decent vocal clarity for lectures and tutorials. Leaning towards the ULT Wear but the hinge cracking issue has me second guessing it, build quality matters to me. Any input appreciated.

[lone flame]

it's also hard to fix hard dips and peaks in the treble.
Like at 8khz its normal but suddenly at 8.2khz you hear nearly nothing lol
and then at 8.3khz it's normal

Ontop all that channel imbalance of the headphone or your own hearing,
Earwax variation (i'll just call it like that now lmao) and yeah
but imo for tone gen, it's worth doing the EQ over a period of some days.
Just because you hear different of other factors anyways like mood or if you're tired.
And the results get better and better.
Small changes daily to get closer until to the point where it mostly will sound good on average on most/every days

[lone flame]

i used Auto EQ first and then used that EQ as baseline to make it work with my ears yeah
i should have limitid it p to idk 4kHz or so, because i used the whole 20kHz and now i have like 30 filters xD

But i think if you start doing EQ by ear, it looks like that for most people anyways
(Also could use that EQ as "Target" and Autop EQ on it to reduce the filter amount, but idk)

[restive sigil]

so 250$ ?

https://ca-en.nothing.tech/products/headphone-a?Colour=Black

[thin void]

Somehow as bad as the xm4

[restive sigil]

100hr battery life though :O

"claimed 130hr with ANC"

[thin void]

And reasonably comfortable

[restive sigil]

idk... headband doesnt look comfy tbh <_<;; lol

[thin void]

You can enjoy poor audio quality for quite a long time!

[thin void]

It could be better

But in the scope of “BT headphones”

The bar is low

[restive sigil]

im wondering if it would be better to just buy a small cheap/affordable BT dongle. to make a normal headphone "BT" with your phone

FiiO BTR5 is like 120$

BTR3 is even cheaper around 80$

[tranquil eagle]

Hey maybe this isnt the right place but i got an issue with my tv and dac. it does not get arc.

i use a lg c5 and a feintech ax130. the arc led just keeps blinking.
tv is set to simplink, arc and pmc mode. tried restarting and reconnecting everything and it doesnt work..

[restive sigil]

eARC port correct?

[tranquil eagle]

yes. port 2 on the lg c5

[restive sigil]

this is gonna sound weird, but, is your TV firmware up to date? ^^;

[tranquil eagle]

i mean it should be. auto updates are on and im sure he updated 2 days ago. but ill check

yeah they up to date

full chain:

LG C5 -> HDMI 2.1 cable with earc and hdmi cec -> FeinTech AX130 set to 2.0 -> Chinch to XLR -> Yamaha HS8S -> TRS to XLR -> Yamaha HS8

Simplink is turned on.
earc support turned off.
dtv audio settings - auto
digital sound output - PCM

[restive sigil]

im not sure, but does LG require the eARC port requires to be enabled via the settings ?

are you trying to output Dolby Atmos ?

[tranquil eagle]

i mean my sound output is set to HDMI (ARC) Device

[tranquil eagle]

ik this wont work with my setup. i think its set to auto. the specific dolby atmos setting is greyed out

[restive sigil]

can you force it to a format that is supported instead of auto

[tranquil eagle]

only ones are he aac and mpeg. both doesnt lemme change volume

[restive sigil]

usually when audio gear lights blink like your AX130 its cause its detecting it, but can't handshake

[tranquil eagle]

i was reading about the handshake. but i already tried pulling the power cables. pressing the tvs power button while no power. reconnecting the hdmi cable..

idk what else there is i can do

[restive sigil]

do you have another eARC supported dac/device ?

example, a console ?

[tranquil eagle]

sadly not

its just so confusing cuz the feintech exactly states it can do my setup. like on the image on the box lol

[restive sigil]

im wondering if you can play with the settings on the LG first, maybe change different formats. maybe turn off eARC but use the port anyways into the box

[tranquil eagle]

earc is turned off cuz yamahas wont support that right. and mpeg or he aac also dont change anything

[restive sigil]

do you have another TV maybe to test, if the AX130 arc port works at all to begin with ?

[tranquil eagle]

also sadly no...

[restive sigil]

ok, what if you disconnect your yams. just plug the TV to the ARC box. does the ARC light illuminate solid ?

[tranquil eagle]

nope

still blinking

[restive sigil]

might be a problem with the box then

i wouldnt rule it out just yet, if you're able to test it with another TV that has eARC support.

but im leaning towards the box could have an issue

[tranquil eagle]

hm lemme try finding another tv lol

the arc led stays on, on another tv

[restive sigil]

progress !!!!!!!!

[tranquil eagle]

yeyyy

[restive sigil]

ok so then it is the TV

[tranquil eagle]

so it must be my tvs settings

just factory reset?

[restive sigil]

might be a setting in the options we're overlooking

mmm im not sure factory reset would fix anything, its prob an option that either needs to be selected or turned off from the defaullt to allow a handshake with your AX130

what settings on the other TV does it have for eARC output ?

try to duplicate (as best you can) the audio settings on the other tv to the LG tv for the eARC

[tranquil eagle]

i did. its also weird that in the sound out window the visuals are different. like on the other tv (cheaper tv but also lg) there is a green circle, on mine its all just grey

[restive sigil]

thats kinda normal, with newer TV's they change layouts in the OS

[tranquil eagle]

hm okay. well idk what to do.. only thing i can do is factory reset

the settings are the same

[restive sigil]

it could be with the C5 theres a setting that could allow for your AX130 to work. but without me being there to see, i can't really help

[tranquil eagle]

or my arc out is just broken

[restive sigil]

that might be it also, thats why i asked if you had another eARC device to test that port ^^;

[tranquil eagle]

alltho. yesterday i tested a cheaper feintech dac. but it didnt had hdmi cec

and sound came trough

soo

[restive sigil]

my opinion: when all else fails.... TOSLINK works 100% of the time

[tranquil eagle]

but also with volume changing via remote?

cuz i could just try that

[restive sigil]

im not sure, i have my sony -> toslink -> fostex headphone amp.

and im gucci for gaming / film with 0 latency

[tranquil eagle]

well trying toslink it doesnt lemme change volume

just did a factory reset ... lets just hope lol

that fixxed it

led stays on

works perfectly fine now :) thanks for ur help tho!

[restive sigil]

love free fixes

[thorny shadow]

Help! My HyperX Cloud II headphones are about to die out. I have the cable version and cable is bad to one of the speakers, the rubber is falling apart and plastic is chipping. I need new ones, at a low price, but equally or better than the Cloud II. I really loved those headphones. Theres no "hollow/echo" sound when over ear, the bass is good and the microphone has pretty good quality. They have been sitting well on my head too. Recently getting a bit of headache cause of pressure around the ears. Any tips around 100 USD ish?
Requirements:

• No echo/hollow plastic sound/feel
• Not airtight. I hate that the ears are "pressurized"
• Good microphone
• Needs good bass
• Pref around 100 USD.
  I live in Norway and things are usually more expensive than in the US. Cloud III wireless is 166 USD, Cloud Alpha wireless 156 USD, Cloud Alpha wired 72 USD

Edit: black cloud 3 wireless are 138

If the Cloud 3's are good i might invest in them..

[restive sigil]

beyerdynamic MMX 150 ?

Audio Technica ATH-GL3

Sennheiser HD 500 BAM

Sony INZONE H3

[thorny shadow]

Beyerdynamics never heard of, and audio technica is not sold here.. And sennheiser at that priuce range?

[restive sigil]

hmm

sony might be the best bet then

129.99$ CAD (im sure its less in USD)

[thorny shadow]

Idk. I know Sennheiser is good af... Justdunno at that porice range

[restive sigil]

there is also "Sennheiser G4ME ZERO" but i never heard it

so i can't speak for sound quality

its 150$ CAD (not sure USD)

the Sennheiser HD 560S are on sale now for alot

its normally 280, its now 150

if you grab that, and maybe get a BAM cable to add a mic. you could be golden for a long time.

or maybe HD 569, its 100$

(all my prices are in Canadian $, so USD$ would be smaller)

[thorny shadow]

I would have to try the sennheisers. I believe ive seen the 560's displayed somewhere

[restive sigil]

if you have the budget/choice option, always go for detachable cable. will give you alot of ability to maintain stuff longer

[thorny shadow]

But i believe it had that echo feel

[restive sigil]

hmmm

whats your kr budget?

around kr2,500 ?

[thorny shadow]

Oh no. like 1500 tops

[restive sigil]

hmm

[thorny shadow]

Ideally at like 1000. The cloud 2 cost me 950 or something

Many many years ago. Before wireless version was available

[restive sigil]

are you familiar with Razer or Steelseries ?

[thorny shadow]

https://www.komplett.no/category/21640/gaming/gaming-utstyr/gamingheadset?list_view=grid&sort=PriceAsc
Kinda only had the HyperX for as long as i can remember rn.

[restive sigil]

i will say steelseries build quality isnt great, sound is "okay" at best and the mic is fine.

[thorny shadow]

Do you have experience with HyperX? and especially the Cloud II?

[restive sigil]

we have a few at work for employees

i dont own one myself

[thorny shadow]

I think the build quality is good, sound is good, comfort is good and price is good. So yeah.. Equal or better 😄 It has steel frame but with lots of flex. The step size things are easy to adjust and doesnt fall out of their position

[restive sigil]

could always buy a new one ^^; of the same headphone

[thorny shadow]

The worst i know is probvably that hollow sound or when its too tight like hearing protection headsets

I hate that lol.

[restive sigil]

ah ok, a more "cupped" sound, like putting a seashell next to your ear

have you ever tried open-back headphones before ?

open back headphones dont cause that "sea-shell" effect in the earcups.

https://www.komplett.no/product/1323805/gaming/gaming-utstyr/gamingheadset/steelseries-arctis-nova-3x-wireless-gamingheadset-sort?queryid=fb908bd7ff7d33c428632f7805826b54&sort=PriceDesc

you could try these, if you have the ability to try in store. you cuold try

[thorny shadow]

Exactly thats the one im thinking of

[thorny shadow]

Open back? You mean "on ear" headsets?

[restive sigil]

no no, open back has usually a mesh/screen on the earcup

it allows sound to exit the earcup, but also allows sound to enter inside

there wont be as much sound pressure on your ears with an open back

[thorny shadow]

Ahh yeah used some. For some reason, the hyperx i have now has neither pressure nor seashell effect even though the earcups are leather. I get anxiety by most of Logitech's headsets though. They're so plasticy. tap one of the earphones and its fortified x100

Unfortunately, physical stores are a bit minus in Norway. You usually get a handful of headsets to try, tops 2, and most stores its the same stuff. Some Sennheiser priced at 400+ usd, some cheap 50-100 usd plastic crap and then a few in between. Usually lots of Logitech, JBL, Steelseries and own brands or smaller brands ive never heard of.

Or Sony

[restive sigil]

i think maybe it might be better to try repairing your headset, then maybe modding it a bit to make it more comfortable ?

if you're handy / comfortable with modding

[thorny shadow]

I mean i can probably repair it. I do repair tech.. Just so worn out i figured maybe i should buy new 🤣

[restive sigil]

thats fair, and im assuming you'd want something different also. freshen up your experience.

[elder thistle]

this hasn't been true for me. based on common references like the hd600 or calibrated speakers, there are regions that sound louder than others and regions that feel like they hit a crossover and tones are experienced differently

I've drawn it in the past but I don't have it saved

here's an illustration from memory, including what I'm calling "crossover effects" and how I might call them louder or quieter

it would be wrong to call this a correction curve (or in this perspective a curve to be corrected)

I know there is a jump around 5.5k in volume

and 1khz definitely swells up

it's been years since I didn't instinctively correct for them

nearly every time I finish a single eq sweep, it's overall tonally matched to every neutral reference I can throw at it

for more fine-grained correction, a second sweep sometimes helps

[brisk trellis]

👆

[lone flame]

maybe just try to well yeah
make every frequency sound equally loud

can look like that (my example)

and i recommend a headphone where the midrange is already good

because it is mostly similar on most rigs and peoples head

and do it with an open back headphone

[elder thistle]

that was my first instinct originally, but it was quickly obvious that it was tonally inaccurate, in the same way, every time

I think the equal loudness strategy is a little silly

frequencies still enter our ears at varying intensities. that intensity doesn't go away just because we're used to it

our perception of what we'd qualify as tones changes as we go into the really high or really low end

and there is the haptics aspect especially with low frequencies

if eqing to neutral worked for some of the people in the headphone show, that's cool. don't know why that is the case, nor their headphone=headphone observations. but I accept that it happened perceptibly to those people. no science is to be had by excluding viewpoints of unknown value

it wouldn't be fair to say everyone should do it that way

or that this will definitely be their experience too

then again, most of the threat eq poses to consumers is expecting it to do things it may not, and convoluting how to listen to headphones

how long until enough people's listening skills evolve and the whole fr hypetrain ages like milk?

[thin void]

other way around. As HRTF becomes more easy to access for the masses, the snake oil in this industry will hopefully start to die out.

[elder thistle]

in this scenario, we have people who experience fr as techs*, and people who experience fr and techs

if it's a simple numbers game, then whichever group has more people will likely have their voice overrule the other

of course the threshold isn't that clear. superior advertising and explanations can have people believe in something they don't experience

but based on my experience conversing and troubleshooting with various kinds of listeners, I don't think the odds are in fr's favor

if it comes to that, you have my word that I'll push the fr perspective as a real thing some people experience and that it should be tested for, even if it complicates the way I give advice

I'd hope that works both ways

[honest spruce]

How much better is it to use a dac/amp?

[buoyant vale]

compared to what? What are you trying to drive?

[honest spruce]

Compared to pluggin it straight into the pc with a 3.5

With stuff thats generally easy to drive and doesn’t really need one at all

Would you see any improvements?

[lean grove]

Some cases yes, some cases no.

It depends on your listening ability and what headphones you're using

[honest spruce]

490pro

[lean grove]

They're not that hard to power but they also have a modest impedance. So a really bad motherboard could impact them.

It might be some hissing and some extra mid-bass.

You should be fine without any dedicated hardware, but if you want a decent DAC/amp you can get that for $50-$150 USD.

Or something basic for like $10-$40

[honest spruce]

like what? anything i can an xlr mic with too?

[restive sigil]

would that mean that more peoples opinions on what sounds good to them, will be more justified and less scrutinised by herd mentality brand gooners? :D

[lean grove]

Uhhh idk any decent cheap ones with an XLR input. Motu m2 has a decent headphone output.

But fiio k11 is the gold standard for price to performance right now.

And then below that, fosi ds1, moondrop dawn, Crinear protocol max, any dongle with a cx31993 chip, or apple headphone dongle.

[honest spruce]

doesnt have to be cheap if i can power both xlr and the headphones

[lone flame]

Just a lack of knowledge tbh

If you can't archieve the effects they did or me when we all did "the same thing".

Sound hard. But I think you Dont know how to EQ

How is it that they experience the exact same thing. And me who does a other (more easy to do) way that randomly turned out to be "true" works for me as well

Still recommend using a headphone with low Z and that is generally consistent on your head.
Like HD800s

Well. It works with others too. But idk how consistent they are bcs of positional variance and more. Golden and DMS can tell more about that

Maybe it is less relevant

[lone flame]

more and more companies apply scientific knowledge into their designs. they put features in that helps us customizing the sound to how we want to (PEQ in more and more devices)

and apple with their "head scan" feature

and more and more headphones / headset have better tuning

like most headset some years ago. there was nearly only garbage

But in the past few years there are WAY more good sounding cheap headphones / headsets

[restive sigil]

oh im talking non-smart/wireless headphones. im talking more normal headphones.

[lone flame]

Fiio FT1,
Hyper X Cloud III Wireless S

[restive sigil]

i only use the Beyer MMX 300 mk2 for work

outside work, i use proper headphones

[elder thistle]

wrong scenario

[lone flame]

our ears just capture sound.
Frequencies,
Amplitude
Phase

and we can hear the time difference if a sound hts one ear earlier or not

[lean grove]

Motu m2 then

[elder thistle]

I didn't ask for your perception of the truth, and I didn't ask for mine

[lone flame]

and i think just from How I experienced it.
If you hear "more" than just FR.
You lack knowledge imo

And i don't wanna say that i know much.
It just makes totally sense to me because of what i noticed. and i'm not the only one that noticed it practically

[elder thistle]

both exist, and one is going to be more popular than the other. and that will become a problem either way

[lone flame]

the techs you define always.
it's all in FR for me

i can control Soundstage, Imaging, Detail and so on with a simple Parametic EQ...

[elder thistle]

yes I believe you

it just doesn't apply to my own ears

[lone flame]

ik.
that's why i think you do some mistakes in the process

if you can experience larger soundstage and better imaging on some headphones and some are worse in that.
You also shoul be possible to notice that change when you apply EQ on headphones

[elder thistle]

I don't notice a change in techs with headphones in response to eq changes. no matter how targeted, aligned, misalighed etc. the eq is

a big part of my job for 11 years is to recognize and ignore frequency response

we're getting off track

as I mentioned, two major perspectives exist for how sound works / is to be listened to

it would be scientifically flawed to ignore either of these

[lone flame]

i think many overcomplicate "simple" stuff

[elder thistle]

yes

I doubt there will ever be a day that I understand the small amount of people's perspectives saying that fr does all this and all that

[lone flame]

maybe get your HRTF + Headphones on your head measured.
best way to find out

[elder thistle]

I have to think "what an overcomplication they've made of simple fr". at least if I wasn't open to the idea that I can't eliminate another person's perspective

[lone flame]

in many "complicated" topics. the answer can't be simple as others.

ofc in some it's WAY more complicated lol

[elder thistle]

your mistake is thinking there is one answer

that's a flawed conclusion in the absence of reasonable evidence

it takes a hell of a lot to make someone's observations scientifically worthless. not sure it's even possible at all

weird, unrefined data and perspectives today hold key evidence for and against modern theories 50 years from now

[honest spruce]

With stuff like that, do you need to download a 3rd party app for mic settings, vocal chain etc?

[lone flame]

there is probably more.
But also a threshold about if it other stuff really matter

its like if THD matters.
and yes it does. but only to a specific point

[elder thistle]

m2 driver does not manage signal processing

[lone flame]

yeah
most interfaces are just for output and input.
But the M2 performs well for that 😄
for signal processing you need Software or Hardware

software is cheaper and mostly have better controls

[elder thistle]

whatever daw or video editor you use will have the plugins necessary to alter your voice and such. the motu driver is just for high speed I/O when paired with that daw or video editor

the driver also adds some useful things like loopback devices

an audio interface cannot just be used for output and input on windows

it needs functioning, stable drivers

this is a great reason to pay $300 for an audio interface with worse technical specs than a $100 one

because the $100 one very easily can bsod your computer, crash your daw, glitch plugins, add artifacts to recordings, and otherwise destroy productivity in a way that you're better off unplugging the interface and using your webcam mic

drivers are everything

[lean grove]

Shouldn't.

If you want fancy stuff you can download OBS

[honest spruce]

Okey, I’m currently using a goxlr, but it’s so old, outdated and probably ass

But I’m used to tweaking gate, eq, compression etc there

[thin void]

There’s only the former. What you’re describing is “people who accept that techs is FR” or people who choose to ignore reality. People also claim magic rocks change the sound.

[elder thistle]

yakucho already said something like that

and I already gave an answer

but I also think any scientist would find statements like that profoundly unscientific or at least presumptious

[thin void]

only when convenient I imagine

[haughty girder]

Do you hear colours? genuine question

I think there's smth to be said about people who experience different aspects of audio even if the effective sound getting to the ear is practically down to a frequency response, since that's what reaches your ear.

and assuming we're not talking about terrible headphones or straight up broken drivers, things like phase should be a non-issue, which is part of how we experience directionality

[civic beacon]

I do, but only when I'm using AudioQuest's Diamond series HDMI cable and speaker wires. Remember, if you're not spending $10,000 on an HDMI cable, you're viewing it wrong. /s

[restive sigil]

xD

[thin void]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/991136054281240610/1227498643112857700/my_honest_reaction.gif

[lean grove]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/497302168005509120/796939980266143744/ezgif-5-2c5e06ac2e30.gif

[haughty girder]

apparently like 4% of the human population can hear colours and associate certain sound qualities to colours fairly consistently

examples are apparently the note "F" being green

[restive sigil]

how can you tell ?

https://youtu.be/OGvy0sJfSMo

very cool

nope, i def dont have that xDDD

i mean if i close my eyes and listen to music. i do picture things in my mind that co-incide with the music

but its not colour at all

its more like... random imaginitive art

or scenes or sculptures

[rain stump]

Hello guys I am currently looking into upgrading my audio setup I am currently wanting to put it in my bedroom and need recommendations

[lean grove]

For the bedroom i think you should get a wiim amp ultra and a pair of radiant acoustics 6.2

[rain stump]

How much does that cost ?

Oh 5k shit

[lean grove]

off the top of my head i think $5k-$6k

including taxes

[rain stump]

Hm well I was thinking like 300

[lean grove]

300k? thats pretty steep

[rain stump]

300 doll hairs

[lean grove]

https://klipy.com/gifs/think-bro

how involved do you want this

is this for like a TV or a computer

or is this just like, casual and low key

[rain stump]

Well I currently have a sound bar and would like better audio for my bed when watching tv

I use iems on the ultra wide and I use open backs on the gaming setup

[lean grove]

Check out options from edifier. Whatever fits your budget and tickles your interest. Their stuff is generally pretty good.

[rain stump]

Do you think fbmp would be good ?

[lean grove]

It's a gamble. Generally if you hear it before you buy it and you like the sound that's a good sign.

[rain stump]

Gotcha I see any recommendations to loo for ?

[lean grove]

No. It's the wild West. I got no idea what you'll find and even if you find the best speakers in the world, if they're covered in mold and dog poo they're not worth buying.

Used market you're on your own ✌️

[rain stump]

Okay thank you or do you think it would just be better to add speakers to my sound bar ?

[lean grove]

Uhh. Unless you're adding a subwoofer probably not.

Adding more speakers makes things sound wonkier and more diffuse. You don't get a tight center image and can do weird stuff with positioning.

If you're talking surround, only if the surround speakers are cheap and you're definitely gonna be listening to surround sound content.

[rain stump]

Gotcha yeah the soundboard that I have is from like 2020 and it has a subwoofer already with it. I was just thinking of upgrading my audio quality since I’m upgrading to a 75 inch.

[elder thistle]

no

I have reason to believe most people hear like I do

I've already stated my piece on why fr@eardrum ignores the eardrum existing in the physical realm

idk why you guys appear to insist it does not

[white gate]

Wdym by that?

[elder thistle]

.

[vocal goblet]

someone explain this nonsense?

[slim mason]

marketing

to idiots

[vocal goblet]

that looks handmade tho

[slim mason]

there is zero proven advantage from high end cables compared to decent market stuff

[vocal goblet]

oh absolutely snake oil, and it's hilarious

[slim mason]

that is probably bought by someone from a guy making those for an INSANE profit margin

[vocal goblet]

They sell 10K USD Power Cords

[restive sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-i'll-take-10-i'll-take-ten-gif-12481465053351554736

[vocal goblet]

https://www.audioquest.com/products/dragon-constant-current-source-power-cable

[lean grove]

Pretty good deal

[wheat moss]

Uncompressed current transfer? We need to enter these people into a making shit up competition

[vocal goblet]

you could drop 6 figures, possibly 7 figures, wiring a single decent audio setup with their shit.

They make up everything whole-cloth to sound expensive

[thin void]

The 5128 was literally made to model the Z of the canal and the resonances of the war past the drum. Thats what the resonators are for.

This is measurable. The amount of sound that penetrates your skull is negligible compared to that of you open ear

[thin void]

“Ignores the eardrum existing in the physical realm”
The ear drum has notable effects on how we hear, its elasticity changes with volume (which is realistically a reason why 16bit in practice exceeds the dynamic range of human hearing)

[lone flame]

so. i guess it is for deleting any "cough" interference

[thin void]

its deleting funds from that man's bank account

[lone flame]

yeah
also funny how all those "seperated" cables get bundled into one big one at the connections lol

[vocal goblet]

At least it looks neat

although I really don't get why audiophiles go bonkers over AC cords. It's a fuckin' copper wire going to an outlet. You're not going to improve on it in any meaningful way

[thin void]

ive had people tell me that the direction of the copper in their cables changed the sound

you see anything in this industry I swear

[lean grove]

Don't tell people about the power cables in their walls.

[thin void]

oh many some audio companies sell super expensive cables for in your walls too

it gets baaaaad

[buoyant vale]

He let his speaker cable touch the ground, rookie mistake

[lone flame]

direction?
like. huh?

is the direction here from "down to up" ot "up to down"

idk if i should be sad that companies sells that shit
or should i be sad that many people are honestly that unsmart to actually believe that shit

i have this meme in my mind again xD

[desert cape]

Is this a good sound bar https://www.lg.com/us/soundbars/lg-s95tr-home-theater-soundbar according to reviews and YouTube Videos seems decent high quality but I'm no sound expert or is there a better one I'm currently using a onn cheap Walmart sound bar for me and my wifes bedroom looking to upgrade due to base cracking it's getting annoying so looking for better quality sound bar for our bedroom.
Thanks In Advance - Ohana Gaming TV

[thin void]

there's not really a good sound bar unless you want to pay 5X the cost of a whole home theater system

[restive sigil]

Can i ask DMS a question: in your experience. which housing material is better for acoustic control within a chamber ? PLA or PETG ?

purely from a research perspective

[thin void]

doesn't matter. All that really matters here is the number of perimeters / wall layers

[desert cape]

Yeah I’m not paying 5k on a sound bar any recommendations tho

[restive sigil]

okay, thats something else i need to research into. thanks man!

[thin void]

a pretty competent home theater can be setup for $600-700

way less if you're willing to buy used equipment

[desert cape]

Yeah just need to find one for me and my wife’s bedroom that doesn’t crack with bass like on $60 Walmart onn one does.

@thin void

[thin void]

are you okay with it being a set of 2 speakers in stereo instead?

(instead of a sound bar)

[desert cape]

Possibly.

[thin void]

get a set of JBL 306P mk2. That's better than any soundbar on the market at any price

they're active/powered and there's a few approaches you could take to hooking them into a TV

some sort of ARC preamp like an HDMI-ARC-X, then prob RCA to 6.3mm cables would do the trick

then you could connect that to the ARC of your TV and control the speakers vol iwth the TV remote

[restive sigil]

if you guys could hug any amp, to show how much you love it. which amp would it be ? :D

(for headphones)

[thin void]

Little dot mk2 or JDS atom

Little dot mk2 is crazy slept-on

[restive sigil]

wow

JDS atom is 99$

O_O

[thin void]

More amp than almost anyone will ever need too

[restive sigil]

agreed

i have an SPL Phonitor XE (stand alone amp, i didnt want the extra dac installed)

and its a fucking monster to powering anything i ever get to borrow or have

[chrome imp]

I love my JDS Labs Element IV, the huge knob on it is just awesome

it's not quite the same level, but it reminds me of the volume knobs on A/V receivers

[restive sigil]

did you get the black regular or clear acrylic ?

[chrome imp]

black regular

I did kind of want the acrylic, but I figured it might be difficult to keep clean

it also sadly sits around a lot of the time, I just use my speakers now

[lone flame]

@thin void @white gate
Sorry for the ping. I have a question about the eargain region.
How did you guys handled that? because it kinda looks "odd" that i EQ eargain VERY low compared to like other rigs etc and also MIRE measurements of some of you. i know you can't compare rigs or other ears with yours. but idk why i EQ the eargain SO low on headphones to sound "equally loud on the whole FR".

If i would have my HRTF measurements, i would like to test a "EQ by Ear" and after that measure the headphone and compare it to my HRTF.
Just to clarify HOW close i am to what i actually think is "neutral" for my ears

idk if someone of you tried that "experiment".

idk if that looks like a HRTF, HpTF or Headphone behaviour difference

and i tend to lower every headphone (even IEMs) pretty low in the eargain and treble region

idk if im just super sensitive to that or not

[indigo burrow]

So, I've been avoiding wireless earbuds due to lag for the longest time. But I realized that if you use something other than bluetooth it can be reduced a lot. What I'm wondering is are these other options good enough to, for example, play an instrument like garage band on an ipad without any perceived lag?

Separately, I would like to find a wireless way to monitor my own voice while on discord. I use an audio interface that has perfect (analogue) monitoring wired, but I haven't found a good way to do it wirelessly.

[thorny timber]

iems are wired but they have mic too

[zenith pawn]

only sometimes and usually in the cable afaik?

[indigo burrow]

They can be either. But I'm not worried about it having a mic, I already have a couple of options for that. I'm just focusing on the monitoring aspect

[zenith pawn]

oh to answer that question though, anything wired should have no lag

so if there's still lag then it might be something in the OS or program

[indigo burrow]

Again, I'm wanting to go wireless with these things.

[thorny timber]

You can get 2.4ghz wireless earbuds

They plug in with usb a or c

You can get a dongle for iPad for both Lightning or usb c

[lone flame]

i think the best thing here is an IEM with a wireless transmitter

but it's a normal IEM wirth cable that you plug into a little box that is on your belt or so

and this box ill transfer the sound wireless without noticable latency

[restive sigil]

@thin void tried TWO GT at the audio show today

getting a pair

tested some songs on my playlist test, its not amazing for older metal stuff like 70s metal or early 80s

but late 80s, 90s and modern stuff it slaps

they didnt have the TWO to test, so im not sure how "lighter" thoes sound compared to TWO GT, but i really liked the TWO GT

the yolk rotation was suuuuper stiff lol

straps are mad comfy though

pad is decently deep, i tried both pads.... didnt hear too much of a difference or if i did maybe placebo ?

ya, def gonna order it in the next few weeks 😎

and its good for Black Metal also, (well for the Black Metal i listen to)

[lone flame]

pads should make differences

i think getting the same acoustic effect with different pads made out of different materials is nearly impossible

but idk truly

but ye. TWO GT where not bad 😄

[restive sigil]

i wrote a mini impressions with my time and the TWO GT if anyone is interested i can post it here. if not, no worries (it is fairly big and discord wont display it correctly)

[white gate]

~3khz is an area where we know people generally prefer less than pure HRTF response. The harman filters include a dip in this region.

[restive sigil]

oh btw @white gate i think you and i are getting more in-sync xDDD tried TWO GT today. i really like it, wanna add it to my collection very soon.

havent tried the TWO

i think theres a studio supply shop in my city that may have the TWO for demo. but i really enjoyed the GT at the audio show today.

[haughty girder]

Though I had a question about this: what volume is HRTF measured at, and would listening volume not always being equal to measured volume make enough of a difference that people would prefer one way or another?

[hybrid pilot]

So my hip DAC3 died, USB port on the beat to shit. Also, do you think the BTR17 is a respectable side-grade? Yay or nay prefer to stick under 250

Basically need dual USB c ports and be used at both mobile and desktop dac/amp combo so looks like the best choice or y'all got any other recommendations

[hybrid pilot]

Or qx 13 not sure

[haughty girder]

if you need dual type C (one power one data) then BTR17 is basically your only option

which is fine, because while BTR17 is expensive, it's a good piece of equipment.

[hybrid pilot]

I don't need it but it's more convenient for me for a replacement only concern tho for me is idk if it's enough to power my hd 600 in desktop mode it should be fine but idk when it's not in desktop mode due to lower mv 300 vs 400 using balanced

[haughty girder]

oh HD600? anything can power that really.

if you're into source memeing, anything with a true balanced output will be plenty loud with enough voltage and current to drive HD600 to unlistenable volumes

if you're not, you can get away with even a simple Fiio KA11

tho the cable can be a concern with the KA11

[hybrid pilot]

Alright I'll see what other people recommend if anything I may just end up getting another hipdac just really wore it out since I got it when it just came out lol

And basically started having issues where it will randomly disconnect and battery also almost gone

[haughty girder]

wait actually, see if you can find any local shops that can do a type C port swap on your hipdac

also, ifi offers battery replacements for the hipdac 3

if you really just want another hipdac 3, it's probably worth pursuing service from ifi to get a new port and battery

[hybrid pilot]

I'll look around see if I want to try anyone else but that's a good idea thanks

[hybrid pilot]

If I push my budget closer to 300 USD do you have any other recommendations?

[haughty girder]

I personally subscribe to the idea that a source shouldn't colour sound much if at all

[lone flame]

so you would say it's "valid" to equal out the eargain?

[haughty girder]

so if it was up to me, I'd honestly just say get the hipdac repaired, or get something like a Retro Nano that has an easily replaceable battery, then just use a magnetic adapter for it to avoid wearing out the port

[hybrid pilot]

Alright sounds like a plan

[white gate]

HRTF isn't volume dependent

[lone flame]

You can do it with theoretically any volume.
no matter how loud the sound is. your body and ears are going to "change" it the same always

but i think most measurements are done at idk. between 70-80dB

just to get rid of potential errors that can happen on quieter volumes because of general background / environment noise

but also those rooms are quiet af anyways

[haughty girder]

Ahhh oki

[haughty girder]

Oh ykw I mixed up HRTF with the Fletcher munson curve, would that matter?

Wait sorry for ping

[lone flame]

HRTF is just what your body is doing to sound that is on its way to your eardrum

[haughty girder]

But the equal loudness contour says at different loudness, we perceive bass and treble differently

[white gate]

The Fletcher munson curve is more of a preference thing and not because of any physical or 'real' differences. There is potentially an argument to be made that for instance a more v shaped tuning could be better for people who listen quieter.

But it's messy because:

A) Most people don't know what level they're listening at

B) We don't to my knowledge (though @modern barn Might be better informed here) have much study on how user listening level correlates with tuning preference.

But the important thing is that the Fletcher munson curve isn't because your ears are actually modifying sound differently at different levels. A headphone FR and your ears impact on the FR is the same regardless of level.

So in the context of an HRTF measurement the only important thing is that it's loud enough that you don't have noise impacting the data, but not so loud that the listener is uncomfortable or something.

Theoretically I suppose if it was way too loud the tensing of your tensor tympani/eardrum might slightly impact things but again the answer there is just not to do it at a stupid volume

[modern barn]

Yeah afaik the effects of volume on listener preference haven't been tested exhaustively enough to make any conclusions

[haughty girder]

Mm yeah OK that makes sense

Yea for me 6k triggers the spasming on my left eardrum, so even my aful explorers with some voices can cause weirdness

But there's probably a combination of genetics and years of playing flute

But I gotcha, that makes sense

[gentle coral]

I’m looking to buy a new pair of gaming headphones. I mostly play R6 and I play on Xbox. The headphones have to have a mic and I want the price to be below $130. Anybody have recommendations?

[haughty girder]

PC38x is probably around there - but it's open back.

[civic beacon]

If you're just starting your search, I recommend perusing https://www.soundguys.com/gaming-headsets/ to get a feel as to what you should look for, then apply that to your search for the headset that meets your needs.

[haughty girder]

<@&750150305383186585> msgid: 1485427416330408096, uid: 662096539627290634

thanks

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/tUkOHwgwXsq.gif

That's certainly a sound system on a bike

[gleaming eagle]

Whats the hip new amp/dac combo

[lean grove]

Fiio k11

[gleaming eagle]

its so ugly

R2R or

[lean grove]

People seem to like the r2r version a bit more.

[gleaming eagle]

hrm

OK whats a more attractive model

[lean grove]

Jds labs element IV

[gleaming eagle]

yeah thats how I was leaning

[lean grove]

If you can tank the cost it's a pretty good setup

Only think I have to say is no balanced and limited EQ.

[gleaming eagle]

Yeah i was looking at a jds labs element iv resin

I dunno why but all the topping/smsl shit doesn't interest me

[lean grove]

I'd say go home because that sounds like it would be really annoying to anyone nearby

And are those $20 computer speakers in the basket

It looks like you hooked up a $200 car subwoofer to cheapo home theater satellite speakers

Like idk how anyone could look at this and think it's the best at anything. It's like. Some garage garbage speakers on a bike.

You asked for opinions and you got them 🤷

If this is good speakers for you then I mean. It's good for you to have low expectations I guess.

How much did those cost? I'm genuinely curious

How much did those speakers cost, little dude?

[chrome imp]

$5

damn that's a really cheap mortgage

jealous af @lean grove

[lean grove]

God I wish

You still here?

Go to bed

[chrome imp]

no matter what you do, how much money you spend, it will forever be a soundsystem on a bike, which no one would actually like

[lean grove]

The reaction gif crashout session is stopping you from getting a good night's sleep

[chrome imp]

the best sound experience on a bike are airpods

[lean grove]

I use ksc75.

[chrome imp]

i suppose that will work too

[lean grove]

But yeah. Speakers on a bike is just like. How annoying can I be to everyone in my vicinity.

Best speakers for that for sure

I have seen a buy put a JBL party box on their cargo bike

That was kinda cool since it was for a group ride with a bunch of students

[chrome imp]

you've got subwoofer covered in a towel and two random speakers sitting in a basket

[lean grove]

You have more cortisol

Nobody cares what you think. We know what you think is peak and it doesn't impress us.

[chrome imp]

shit I've been circumsized

[lean grove]

Incorrectly, too

They took too much

This crashout is too funny

https://tenor.com/view/youre-your-gif-22328611

If you need to go to bed I understand

[chrome imp]

this bike is the coolest thing that has happened in their small town for the last 5 years man

why so insistent on defending a bike man

my audio gear is so sad

all I have is some stupid soundbar

yeah but the soundbar is only for my LG G5, I've got studio monitors for my desk setup so it's whatever

[lean grove]

See that's what I was thinking too.
Like if this were Balkans or somewhere else in eastern Europe then this would actually be kinda cool. Almost impressive even.

[chrome imp]

the first engineer in like 100 years

[lean grove]

Buddy you're the one addicted to responding we live in this chat

You're in our home

[chrome imp]

Ok I already have 3 of those though

the bike chain is a little rusty but I can get mobile

and you're right, my klipsch monitors are not great

[lean grove]

The crashout keeps getting better

[chrome imp]

it's not even crashout it's just pure trolling

[lean grove]

<@&750150305383186585> help I'm being bullied

[chrome imp]

🐐 Jawa

[lean grove]

🫡

[chrome imp]

Anyways, what's the best audio system on a bike you guys have ever seen?

[buoyant vale]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-w-gus-fring-gus-gustavo-deleted-gif-25440636

[lean grove]

JBL party box on the front of a cargo bike

[chrome imp]

that's pretty good

[buoyant vale]

I was thinking you could probably get a decent 18" sub on a cargo bike

[patent frigate]

fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight

[chrome imp]

you missed it all Jerry

we are back to regularly scheduled audio talk now

[patent frigate]

aw

ok back to arc

[lean grove]

Powering it would be an issue.

[buoyant vale]

well you could use some cringe car amp

[lean grove]

You can get a little dynamo in the wheel that will put out a few watts while you pedal

[buoyant vale]

or just be real and get an inverter

[lean grove]

Yeah that's what the weirdo who just got banned was using.

[buoyant vale]

and battery

[lean grove]

Pipe bomb in a backpack

[buoyant vale]

better bike speakers spotted 👀

[prisma field]

damn bro my garmin cant do that 😭

man its beautiful as hell

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/closer-look-gif-19341620

I didn't know they had gps in the 80s

[prisma field]

yes they had

and this one is functional

[lean grove]

I dig the fatties

Do you have the vintage gps for clout or reliability

[zenith pawn]

Apparently I missed some bike speakers

[lean grove]

It was a car subwoofer strapped to the rack of a bike with some PC speakers in the front basket

The person was saying that they're trying to make the best audio setup on a bike ever and asked for opinions and it went downhill from there

[zenith pawn]

It would have been based without the subwoofer

[lean grove]

Well. The PC speakers were just like. In the basket. Like just pointed away from the rider and not strapped down

Not aimed or strapped down or anything

Just loosely jumbling around sideways

[prisma field]

i love my mid-fi

these cant hold on a bike

11kg too much

[lean grove]

cargo bikes can do 50kg-100kg easy.

I think you could make it happen

[prisma field]

What about yamaha ns-1000 on bike

[restive sigil]

Does anyone have an ipad pro 13 (newest M5 one)

[ionic ocean]

Scrambles my brains good 🤤

[prisma field]

and they are.. good..

5-10 meters off in coordinates

bad for today

But 28 years ago?

I swear it couldve been the best in the market

Who needs galileo and glonass

GPS is the only way

Oldie but goldie garmin

[lean grove]

I see that a lot of iditarod racers in Alaska use some of the older Garmins because they're so much more reliable in the cold

[prisma field]

It went through -15°C for 2 hours with me and didnt even flinch

only the screen fades when changing

switching the things it show

[true orbit]

Hello, I want to set up a microphone where its about 70cm away from my mouth, I am currently using my mic where its really close to my mouth so its better for quality and how its meant to be used (about 5-15 centimeters from my mouth). HOWEVER, when I did try putting my mic to that 70cm distance, people complained that it sounded lower quality/a bit echoing or just that it didnt sound right

so im wondering if there is a way to make it sound just as or close to as good as it is now being the normal close distance away from my mouth

I am also open to new microphone recommendations if something would work better in that regard, currently using a hyperx quadcast x with voicemeeter

[restive sigil]

could always get a shotgun mic

its extremely directional

point it at your mouth and bam, amazing microphone quality

[restive sigil]

Shotgun Rode VideoMic NTG

(mount sold seperately, but you can put it to a boom arm if you have one already. i do believe it has standard screw mount)

under the suspension mount

[true orbit]

Thank you thank you, I was actually planning on buying a new boom arm because my current one is just awful and I've been looking at the rode psa1+ so this will go nicely with it

Thank you

[restive sigil]

np !

but please watch youtube reviews and do your own research! before making any major purchases on stranger recommendations. o7

best i can do is point you in a direction

[true orbit]

Good idea thank you

[wheat moss]

You need a microphone designed for that, you can't magically make a normal one work like that

[true orbit]

Yeah me and tsukuyomi (just above) talked about getting a shotgun mic

So I'll probably be getting that but I will also do a bit of research and look at some reviews

[restive sigil]

just an FYI

shotgun is very directional, so if you point at your face. whoevers listening to you will hear EVERYTHING your face makes xD including squelches and passive mouth noises and breathing

[true orbit]

😭

I don't want them to hear that

Jeez

[restive sigil]

you might be better getting something like this...

https://rode.com/en-ca/products/nt-usb-plus

its Cardi and its USB-C

fits perfectly on that rode boom arm you want

and its used by ALOT of youtubers/twitch streamers and podcast people who want an alternative to the Shure SM7B

[true orbit]

Would a Shure sm7b be better tho do you think?

[restive sigil]

but if you want a much better mic, and have deeper pockets. i could suggest something better for you

the Shure is more used, but its also more expensive

[true orbit]

Cause again I need mic that is good for the distance it is away from my mouth

[true orbit]

I feel as though the most I'd spend on 1 single microphone is £150-200

[restive sigil]

i think the NT-USB+ is maybe around 250$ CAD, and the Shure is around 500-600$ CAD

[true orbit]

200 is if I'm like "this is it, this is what I've been looking for my entire life"

[true orbit]

Yeaaah

[restive sigil]

^^;;

[true orbit]

Not sure what that is in cad

But I've seen the Shure sm7b prices before

I'll go to sleep for now but if you want you can do some mics to me, if you'd like to

I will look deeper into it tomorrow

[fast stratus]

DM me, I can join a call and ask you how mine sounds if you want a cheaper option than a SM7B.

I have a AT2035, I imagine the AT2020 would work just fine at that distance as well.

[zenith pawn]

I've frequently seen the sm58 recommended instead of the sm7b for sounding just as good at a fraction of the price

[fast stratus]

I have a friend with one, sounds good enough over calls.

Not sure about what distance they talk into it from.

I imagine it is probably closer than 70cm though.

@true orbit Audio clip + photo of how far I was.

About this far, yeah?

[true orbit]

definitely similar distance yes

[lean grove]

@true orbit if you want to be audible clearly from far away, shotgun mic is your best bet. But they're kinda finicky. You can also try playing with the processing settings on your wave XLR. You want to use the compressor setting if it has one.

Another option is a lapel mic, something that just clips onto your shirt with a long wire. It's kinda dorky but they're one of the most common mics that professionals use when trying to capture vocals outside.

Also do NOT waste your money on an sm7b. It's not worth it.

For basic use, if you want a dynamic mic, the xm8500 is perfectly fine. If you want something fancier, get the SEV7.

[muted imp]

Hmmm so I've seen that Behringer released a new Juno 60 clone, the JN-80. I wonder if that's worth getting over looking around for a used Minilogue XD.

[lone flame]

imo. if you want a mic, but it has to be far away. Don't get a mic

you can ge a lavilier mic or idk. Modmic

that's just better than any other normal mic

in this situation

[craggy hinge]

Is there a good mic for around 100-150 euro? I bought the pd200x a while ago and like 2 months ago i bought an interface but now my mic is being weird.

There comes like a buzzz sound when i talk and if i look at the sound input i see the bar 24/7 puting out db

Not very high but annoying it is af its like its better when i used with only usbc instead of xlr but i dont want to waste it

[true orbit]

@fast stratus @lean grove thank you for all the help

I'll let you guys know what I decided upon

[fast stratus]

Have a great day man.

Much appreciated.

[true orbit]

Thank you, you too

[haughty girder]

what interface

[lone flame]

interference

check if all cables are plugged in correctly

and check if no audio cable is near a power supply or power cable

if you use a fethead, don't use it lol

[craggy hinge]

They are all plugged in correctly and none is near a power supply

I have the topping e2x2

I though upgrading it would help but it didnt or i did something wrong

It was first like damn yo mic is good are you a streamer? And now it is turn yo mic out cuz its mad annoying

[lone flame]

firmware up to date?

[craggy hinge]

It is

[sage canyon]

anyone here know anything about car sound?

i have a problem with my tweeters

[prisma field]

Waths wronh?

[sage canyon]

JBL amp in my RCZ only plays the stock tweeters, but any aftermarket tweeter I plug in gives no sound even though they work on other amps.

Stock tweeter has a built-in capacitor and is ~2.5 ohm, while the new ones was 4 ohm but i made them 2.2ohm with a resistor. but even tho i plug it in i get no sound

[prisma field]

thats weird

they should work

Many factory JBL systems use active tuning where the stock tweeter assembly includes impendance network dont they

[sage canyon]

idk, but it has like a 2.2 uF capacitator, which the new focal tweeters does not have

i dont know if thats what makes the jbl amp go into protection mode or not

[sage canyon]

Stock JBL tweeters work fine

Tried aftermarket tweeters → no sound from tweeters

New tweeters work on another amp, so they’re not broken

I suspect the JBL amp is picky about load / crossover

even tried to play music, remove the other tweeters while playng music, and then plug the new ones inn

still no sound

[prisma field]

Man the aftermarkets would work if jbl didnt love dsp so much

[sage canyon]

the other problem is that i cant change the amp

[prisma field]

that sucks even more

[sage canyon]

this is the stock amp

and its so much fucking work re routing cables if i were to get a new amp

also need to code a new canbus that accepts a new amp

and measure every signle cable to find out what is what

[prisma field]

[sage canyon]

like what the fuck is this piece of shit

[prisma field]

bro wtf

[sage canyon]

like wtf is this wiring diagram

[prisma field]

Whoever created this is possibly fired by now.

[sage canyon]

next time ill buy base sound system in a car

easier to upgrade

[sage canyon]

prob

only made system in my car

like

my car is the only one in this world who has this shit system

and it does not make it better that i have a shit android headunit that distorts sounds

[lean grove]

Just wear headphones ||🪤 ||

[sage canyon]

since it gives to high v output

5v and not 1.2v

[prisma field]

why needs headphones when peak exists

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-shade-big-pile-of-shit-jeff-goldblum-gif-15372128

[prisma field]

may your headphones weight 11 grams

and may my speakers weight 11 kilograms

per piece

need yamaha ns1000

[lean grove]

I used to have the tiny versions of those

1000mm's

[sage canyon]

just me that hate when people try to flex their stock car system in the new fancy car they bought. And you just sit there and think ( fucking hell this is shit )

[prisma field]

High price does not mean high quality 😭

my friend needs to learn that

stupid immature ego idiot

[sage canyon]

Exactly

He spent 1k usd on a subwoofer

I paid 300 usd and made my own box

I have less rms and still better sound

And better bass

[prisma field]

i have 100w sub from a jbl bar 2.1 in my room and its good enough

[sage canyon]

Yeah

[prisma field]

slight overpowering made it great for home listening

wired a t.amp e-400 to it since i got that amp for free

[lean grove]

I hate it when anyone tries to flex their car system

So yes I agree.

Constantly thinking "fucking hell this is shit" to anyone with a subwoofer too. Every panel rattling with their 6th order bandpass fartbox knocking things off shelves in people's homes as they pass by.

Spending all that money to annoy people when they can just get the same effect of vibrating their car from some $200 tactile transducer under their seat.

[sage canyon]

Hahhaa true, I got a 400rms sub and it plays amazing

It’s loud and shakes my car a little

[lean grove]

I bet you can hear it for miles

[sage canyon]

Yeah you can

But it sounds good

My friends just want most bass

More shaking

And more spl

[lean grove]

I think it should be legal and encouraged that if you can hear someone's car from more than 20 feet away you should be able to throw a really heavy rock at them.

Imagine if hundreds of people did that

[sage canyon]

Hahahhahahah

[lean grove]

God that would be so great

[sage canyon]

One thing I hate tho

My system is not loud

But it’s clear

[lean grove]

Uh huh

[left verge]

Should I be worried

[haughty girder]

that's... odd

it should be merely a trim piece though

since the headband itself is stitched together

wait were u picking at it/fidgeting with the edge?

[left verge]

No, I just kind of noticed it

[haughty girder]

ah

well it's alright

if it slots back into place u can glue it back

the headband itself won't fall apart because of it, because it's all sewn together

but it's an aesthetic piece that you may or may not care about

[restive sigil]

move to reduce it by covering it up

[fast stratus]

These are great.

I have a similar one for my headphones.

10/10 purchase.

@restive sigil Can you send me a link to the sanitizing gel you use btw?

[restive sigil]

wait wha ? lol

[fast stratus]

You're the person in the CAG server that went to canjam and is super clean, right?

Might just be similar username.

[restive sigil]

oh! they kicked me from that server xD

cause i said audiophile were smelly and gross cat owners

[fast stratus]

[restive sigil]

im not wrong 😎

BODE Chemie Sterillium @fast stratus

you can get the smaller 100ml bottle

[fast stratus]

Thanks!

[restive sigil]

thats what i use to go outside if i know im gonna be "touching stuff"

make sure its the medical grade 80%

o 3o

[elder thistle]

is it under warranty

[sage canyon]

i want loud and clear audio

not just clear

[restive sigil]

so turn the volume up up up

higher volume = higher res audio

everyone knows this

[fast stratus]

[restive sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/spinal-tap-numbers-go-to11-gif-4660832

[fast stratus]

Volume 2 for more amplification stages. 👂

We love hiss and being deaf.

Volume 2 before GTA 6.

I'm done now, had to get it out of my system.

This airport is driving me insane.

[restive sigil]

Volume III is gonna be huge

and most likely before GTA6

[sage canyon]

Can’t

Audio distorts

[restive sigil]

need better headphones then that can handle mo powa

https://tenor.com/view/donut-morepower-donutmedia-gif-13890153

[left verge]

Yeah

[zenith pawn]

I think this was talked about recently but it's gotten lost in all the converstations--
I know you can't with headphones, but for IEMs can you just autoeq yours to the FR of a different one, assuming both properly measured with the same machine? Would there be peaks from the specific machine and if so do they just equal out since they're applied to both?

[elder thistle]

only one way to find out

[thin void]

if its distorting, you're probably listening at levels causing hearing damage

[sage canyon]

No i mean, its not loud at all

Its so low i don’t hear any audio when i drive

[restive sigil]

yo DMS audio bro! ima go test HEDD TWO this weekend. 😎 we gonna see whats what

i liked the TWO GT, hopefully the TWO will be more "AMT like" and act as a long term "fun alternative" to my collection.

(im planning on owning 1 good headphone from each driver type. eg: DD, Planar, AMT, Estat, BA)

[flint forge]

I skimmed through this a bit. Issues with car speakers that cannot be turned up without distortion? The speaker amp is messed up if the speakers themselves aren't blown. If you can hook up the speakers to a home theater receiver, then you can rule out the amp or speakers. I've never messed with car speakers, so you might need to find adapters or solder something together for testing. Receivers can be had cheaply if they are very old and discontinued, don't need to splurge on anything modern for any reason.

edit: okay, if new tweeters won't work with the amp you're using but do with a different amp, I'm thinking that the crossover is in the amp and not compatible with the tweeters indeed.
When choosing speakers , you need to know the output impedance, power, and crossover frequencies (if this applies) of your speaker amp. Not sure if there are wiring considerations to keep in mind.

[flint forge]

Circuit schematic, not quite a wiring diagram. Only useful to technicians, mainly.

[haughty girder]

then youve got smth loose in your car

probably not distortion, but just panels vibratinh unevenly

[fast stratus]

Bro is making me consider spending more money.

[sinful niche]

Are there good subs for like $50? Most “cheap” good subs I’m finding in stores are like $200ish

I have MR4s for my main speakers, but a smallish sub would be nice lol

[buoyant vale]

No

[sinful niche]

https://edifier-online.com/products/edifier-t5?srsltid=AfmBOoox2KtkL0zmDFBL3ikyernUYvl31BtrrP2QBZ-H7NSoCPSa0T0K

well this is the $200 one i was looking at off and on

[buoyant vale]

Anything under about 500 is a just a mid bass enhancer at best

[untold heron]

i got a budget gaming laptop with awful speakers

acer nitro 5

i was wondering if there are any already existing laptop speakers i could replace my laptop's speaker with

i heard someone put macbook speakers on their regular laptop once and it worked great

[haughty girder]

it won't work properly. But you could pick up a pair of creative pebbles.

[untold heron]

nah i want it inside my laptop

something i can use while im in my bed too lazy to get my headphones

[haughty girder]

Work and go buy a better laptop not from acer with better speakers

[zenith pawn]

That's the kind of thing you have to spend time engineering to make it work, its not just an off the shelf thing you can buy

[haughty girder]

it's doable, but Nitro 5's built in speaker amps are piss weak

[winged valve]

i did not just fit a tv soundbar underneath my 27" monitor

[thin void]

you're prob better off trying to EQ the existing speakers

macbook speakers sounding decent has a lot to do with the DSP tuning they do. The speakers are well engineered too, but they're tuned digitally.

[prisma field]

DSP 👎

DSP is the dlss 5 of amplifiers

[thin void]

Nay. All audio realistically need some level of DSP tuning.

[prisma field]

not my amps

[crystal wing]

can someone help? I have this wireless bluetooth earphones and the mic dont work for some reason like when i enable microphone for desktop apps and try to talk on cs2 let's say i wouldnt hear a single thing and my mic isnt working but it works normally on my phone

[lean grove]

DSP is one of the cheapest and easiest audio improvements you can do.

And it doesn't even impact the amplifier

[prisma field]

i want my slayers douboe bass to sound like bbtbtbtbtbtbtb and not bwomp

[thin void]

well, realistically the amp isn’t coloring the system, but your speakers or headphones do.

[thin void]

And the only way to actually make speakers match a good in-room response.

[thin void]

Good lord

[civic beacon]

"Excuse me, sir/ma'am/humanoid, but you can't bring that bomb speaker through airport security."

[prisma field]

just say sir dw

[prisma field]

Why???

[lean grove]

Sounds like clipping

[prisma field]

not.

[chrome imp]

I've seen bombs that look less threatening than this

[lone flame]

Literally everything you listen to ran through DSP

If the sound is not 50+ years old lol

But today's media is all DSP

[zenith hill]

I can vouch for the Fiio K11 btw

Also I want a improvement over my HD 560s, I was considering some Sundaras or Edition XS, but I need to know your thoughts

[lone flame]

Edition XV could work

XS is a EQ playground

But both good. Sundara too

(not a personal fan of the Sundara tho)

[zenith hill]

Can the K11 drive them? @lone flame

[lone flame]

Yes

Should

Unless you listen at stupidly high volumes

[zenith hill]

wdym

like 80-90% or what?

because im n ot trying to go deaf if so

[zenith pawn]

like hearing loss volumes

[zenith hill]

oh then ofc not

[zenith pawn]

I don't think you could translate it to a percentage

Well actually I guess you could calculate it, ignore me

[elder thistle]

how do you want it to be improved?

[frail swift]

😭 so much work to do to make the new apartment not sound like an echo chamber

Anyone know if the SS-CS5 bookshelfs are wireless? Best buy says wireless, Sony's site doesn't say one way or the other, and there's no pictures of the rear. AI overview says passive wired 🤔

[frail swift]

I found pictures it's definitely wired

[loud atlas]

Guys airpods max or some sony xm4 or xm6 ?

I know the price difference is huge, and I don't think it's worth it even if you have the ecosystem

[restive sigil]

xm6

[lone flame]

HDB 630

[restive sigil]

hows the ANC on it?

[loud atlas]

They are about $150 USD more than xm6

[restive sigil]

apperently the HDB 630 have a better sound profile, once you tune it with the PEQ in the Sennheiser sound app

unfortunately, the ANC tech in it, isnt even as good as Apples or Sonys

so i dont think if you're going for ANC quality, you'd get that from the Sennheiser

but apperently people are enjoying its sound signature once you tune/tweak it in the app

but yeah also, its 150$ more

[restive sigil]

do you have a store to demo either headphone ?

like a bestbuy or something

[lone flame]

uh.. okay

not the best

tho the sound is really good

[restive sigil]

yeah thats what i heard

i heard mix'd reviews on sound

some ppl say its the best headphone in the world

others say its only good when you tweak the EQ in the sennhesier sound app, because out of the box its generic as heck

battery life is okay, it says on average 50-60hrs with 50% volume and no ANC

thats pretty normal/average

[primal fulcrum]

Guys, guys, did u know, 8$ amazon cables just as good as 4 000$ audio cables
https://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/42516-billiga-ljudkablar-lika-bra-som-extremt-dyra

[restive sigil]

i mean, i think the real statement is "guys, did you know idiots pay 4,000$ for audio cables?"

[primal fulcrum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjvgL9_zL80

[restive sigil]

ok

most expensive headphone cable i have was like 60$

and it was only that much because it was 4.4 pentacon

the rest, i use stock cables that come with my headphones

lol

[prisma field]

Its just a cable after all

This is good cable already

[wet elk]

Needs gold plating and advanced titanium mesh weave shielding or how else will it carry an electrical pulse /s

[restive sigil]

unless the cable costs more than your speakers, you're not hearing everything your speakers can deliver.

[zenith pawn]

so I have to buy 1000 ft instead of 6?

[restive sigil]

or, 6 foot cable, thats worth as much as 1000 foot cable price

[keen shale]

Could somebody recommend me an interface for the Rode podmic USB?

[haughty girder]

just use the usb

[keen shale]

That’s what I’ve been using, problem is that rode unify is sometimes bugging out and will just die needing to be restarted (so i can actually mute when needed etc)

[haughty girder]

the issue is

to get an interface with a good mic input AND a mute switch

uh, there aren't many.

shure MVi and focusrite Vocaster immediately come to mind

but neither are really great interfaces

[haughty girder]

is the app getting killed in the background?

[keen shale]

Its more so it randomly just stops responding? Like if im muted while and the app crashes i have to task manager end it and open it up again for my pic to unmute and vice versa

Its not a constant thing but its happened a couple of times, maybe just windows thats gotten dookie idk lol

I will say i like unify’s settings, just gotta tweak them to suit me best cuz i have zero clue what half do

[fast stratus]

Mine is $17 including shipping.

CAD