audio-tech

[wheat lotus]

i have a +10db filter applied to the output to hear them over my pc

but they sound fine

im not super into audio, im still using the headphones cable and such so its probably still limited by either the size of the speakers or the power it can draw from the 3.5mm audio jack

[zenith pawn]

dynamic range is a scam

[wheat lotus]

They clip like hell if im listening to music, but for video games +10db is a necessity it seems

I can hear like the narrator and stuff fine

And I used to play games without audio so it's better than that

[stray girder]

Anyone know a good headset for like $50-100?

[tawdry gale]

Cmf headphone pro

[brisk topaz]

i have a pair of truthear crinacle zero blues and the right iem just sounds muffled all of a sudden

ive tried swapping the cable using the left sides cable and whatever else i can think of and nothing seems to fix it

[brisk topaz]

just tried some other things and yeah ngl these are done

after about 3 years i have to finally retire these

[haughty girder]

try listening to a tone generator

see at what frequencies does the right sound different from the lfet

https://www.szynalski.com/tone-generator/
I like using this one

[brisk topaz]

all of them (atleast as far as i can tell)

around 40~ is where it’s most similar although it’s still different

[zenith pawn]

Funny enough this happened to my truthear zero red a couple weeks ago, they're about 2 years old

[brisk topaz]

huh

did you fix it?

[zenith pawn]

No

[zenith pawn]

I assume the driver just went bad

[brisk topaz]

yeah

[zenith pawn]

Not affected by the metal filter, its completely clean

[brisk topaz]

mine just kinda gave up

one minute perfectly fine the next fucked

[zenith pawn]

I think mine slowly died and I didn't notice it for a bit

[tired crown]

What are some suggestions for $120 or less wired headphones

[lean grove]

Hello Ratthew

Fiio ft1 are still the meta. But the JT7 has also been getting some traction recently

[tired crown]

Ft1 are a bit out of my budget

jt7 is perfect price

A friend is suggesting me grato labs sr80x

Anyone know anything about that

[lean grove]

grados are one of the headphones of all time.

they're controversial because they generally have stupidly thick and stiff cables and sound really sharp. If you have age related hearing loss, they're gonna pretty good.
Another problem with them is that the $60 grados sound almost exactly like the $600 grados.

[tired crown]

Can the cable be replaced

[lean grove]

The new X stuff is a mild improvement over the other stuff. but unless you're a boomer listening to classic rock, or you just really like bright headphones, i wouldn't recommend them to anyone

[lean grove]

yeah with scissors and a soldering iron

[tired crown]

Oh lol

[tired crown]

Ah alr

[azure apex]

Does anyone have some recommendations for the compression etc setup for the blue yeti

Just tryna have nice crisp sounding audio for playing games etc with co workers

[lean grove]

OBS might be your best bet

or voicemeeter

[lost wigeon]

Elgato’s wave link is also good

[jade dawn]

gah damn the HD560s sound amazing. my ears are nutting rn

[serene pivot]

Sweet my Austrian Audio Hi-X25BT arrived

[hollow oxide]

My ears are prob weird cause this is the EQ i found to enjoy the most for variety listening:

[steel escarp]

@lean grove I had some time with the Hifiman X GoldenWave Prelude, its been at my home for a week

this amplifier makes everything you put on it extremely bass-y

its like not even fun anymore with some headphones like Susvara

wouldn't recommend this amplifier to anyone

too much second order harmonic distortion, makes everything sound rounded off/saturated. breaks realism with genres like classical/hiphop/edm

[peak comet]

Question for audio peoples

If my amp/dac has 2 LR outs

Can I just hook a sub up to one of them

And call it a day

[lean grove]

Kinda yeah. It depends on your sub.

And maybe what you're listening to

Most stuff blends the deep bass into both channels.

So if your sub can stick to below 80hz and you're not listening to anything too sophisticated, it won't be that big of a difference

Ideally you'd send both the left and the right to the sub and it should have inputs for that and figure it out itself

[peak comet]

Im thinking of getting this as my sitting room setup. Got 2 HS 8's to go with it.

https://www.topping.store/products/topping-d50-iii-desktop-hifi-dac

so was gonna use the 2x 6.3MM for the L&R HS 8's and the 2 RCA's for a sub

was not sure if that was a dumb idea or not

[lean grove]

Not that dumb.

As long as it can output through the balanced and the RCA's at the same time, that should work

Though if you are looking at a fancier sub, what would be better would be passing the signal entirely through the subwoofer and then sending it to your monitors.

That way the subwoofer integrates a lot better and filters out the stuff it's doing and sends the rest to your monitors.

Your way would be sending the full signal to both and might have overlapping frequencies which:

1. Might cause some weird interference
2. Means your monitors are doing excess work they don't need to do

[peak comet]

hemm

I was trying to keep it cheap-ish

as I got the HS 8's 2nd hand for quite good monies

[lean grove]

Yeah I understand. You might be better off skipping the sub for now and saving up for a nice one.

[peak comet]

but I do see your point

[lean grove]

A sub contributes very little to the overall sound compared to how much it can eat up your budget

[peak comet]

yeee

[lean grove]

Instead, maybe consider using your sub money on the topping dx5 II

It can do everything the d50 can and much much more

For like. Not that much more money

[peak comet]

thats why I was thinking was to go for a bang for the buck setup and see how I feel about having a sub at all

[peak comet]

thats actually my current desktop amp

I do like it a lot

was thinking something with no ports on the front would look cleaner for my living room space

[lean grove]

Oh word.

[peak comet]

but its also a valid point

It honestly is amazing

and it does auto pickup

so when I turn on my TV

it just swaps to optical

and keeps all the TV's settings

best purchase for my audio setup

love it to bits

I was looking at the TOPPING DX3Pro+

as its about 100 quid cheaper

but the D50 III looked to be a small price bump for a nicer overall look and finish

but your kinda right that by the time im looking at the D50 the Dx5 II is not too much more

kinda trying to stay away from spending tooo much as im kinda doing a proof of concept and not quite ready to full send

[mint verge]

anyone got any suggestions for electric guitar + amp bundles for sub 200$?

[zenith pawn]

HD 6xx has arrived

at my home

[zenith pawn]

they're hurting my cheeks

[steel escarp]

Typical

Had to return mine for comfort reasons

[zenith pawn]

disappointing treble and soundstage but the bass and mids are good

feels like a tiny downgrade from the truthear reds..

apart from the fact that silent parts of songs actually sound silent since i dont hear my blood flowing

i'll see if i get used to the comfort

[zenith pawn]

it makes dynamic range in songs sound so much quieter than ive ever heard, i dont think my logitech headphones were good enough to do it

[zenith pawn]

I don't get how these hd 6xx are supposed to be "midnight blue"
I was confused when looking at the pictures and renders online, and I am still confused with them in person

[zenith pawn]

why do people reviewing headphones post an impedance curve, but not a sensitivity one? or would that just be equivalent to the frequency response normalized around 1 khz (when the sensitivity number is given in 1khz & 1v)?

[lone flame]

HD6xx/6x0 was never good with that

[zenith pawn]

name a better option?

[lean grove]

The better option is to stop worrying about soundstage and realizing that its not real.

[steel escarp]

rebought the bliss lvl 1 after selling it

I was unable to find something better

[zenith pawn]

Whatever you think it actually is on the low level, I want more of it

[steel escarp]

HD6XX has like actually no sound stage

its almost funny

[zenith pawn]

exactly

whether it's an eq issue or what I don't know

[steel escarp]

I compared them to DT880, despite DT880 treble being shit, even with a -5dB treble shelf, it has more

[zenith pawn]

maybe I'd play around but I think it's a fair description to say

[steel escarp]

6XX just doesn't stage behind you

just get an R70XA (unless you have a really small head)

or Hifiman Edition XV

or Edition XS, if you don't mind sound that is brighter leaning, I personally don't need EQ when using it, but I can understand if you like something with more noteweight and less treble

XS has big sound stage

skip Aune AR5000, its built is really cheap and I've seen it fail several times. Plus it's weird in the treble. But god damn, that stiff leather headband feels bad on your head. And those really small earpads.

[zenith pawn]

idk whether I'd still hate headphones, my head still hurts from the weight on the top of my head

[steel escarp]

From HD6XX?

[zenith pawn]

yeah

[steel escarp]

they should only weigh like 269 grams

and clamp pretty hard, no clue why it'd even hurt on top of your head

any specific spot it hurts on, as in more specifically which part on top of your head?

do you have a bigger or smaller head

[zenith pawn]

really the whole line under the band

[zenith pawn]

idk how do you tell

[steel escarp]

wtf...

how far are you extending the 6xx's headband

[zenith pawn]

I extended it as far as I could before it started hanging off of my ears

[steel escarp]

is it uncomfortable the way it sits on your hair?

tbh its gonna be hard to recommend something either way, only you can feel how it sits on your head

but if you can't wear a headphone for 15 minutes without playing music, then its probably better to return it

[zenith pawn]

I'm not sure,it feels like its compressing the top of my head super hard

I wore Logitech headphones that rtings says weigh 0.6 lbs (vs the 6xx 0.69 lbs) and never had any issues, is there something about break in

I wore the 6xx for about 2 hours

[lean grove]

I think it's not worth pursuing 🙈

[zenith pawn]

Its the only thing that makes me happy

[lean grove]

The 6xx makes everything sound super close because that's how it was recorded.

Shocker that when the musician's mouth is right up against the mic that the musician sounds close to you.

Buy my cursed k1000's

Physically the biggest staging headphones ever made

[zenith pawn]

mixing doesn't exist? The music was mixed on speakers and clearly designed to not sound like its directly in your ear

[lean grove]

Yes the music was mixed on speakers. And what happens when you shrink those speakers down and put them less than an inch from your ears? Do they still sound like speakers?

[zenith pawn]

I'm not asking for it to be identical to speakers

But I still think its an obvious improvement to have more soundstage even if perfection isn't possible in a headphone

[lean grove]

I've owned some of the biggest staging headphones.

Hd800, stax sigma, akg k1000,

More soundstage isn't more better. If anything it's a detriment.

Even the widest staging headphones are nowhere near speakers are.

If you want stage, get speakers.

[zenith pawn]

how so

[lean grove]

They're unable to do any intimacy.

The hd6x0's are able to do distance and staging when the recording/game engine allows for it.

The soundstage memes can't do the opposite.

Soundstage is a psychoacoustic Instagram filter to make headphones sound less like headphones

And all of those headphones do have their own problems outside of intimacy

Hd800s are bright.
Sigmas are dark.
K1000's are shouty and you're lucky to find one that doesn't have any physical problems

[zenith pawn]

when the recording/game engine allows for it
But is that just in spite of the 6xx or genuinely is better?

[lean grove]

It means you need to find music that was recorded in a way that expects you to use headphones (which is rare)

Or games with an actually good sound engine (also rare)

https://youtu.be/5WeYBxFrQpo

https://youtu.be/BtQZnAlPS4s

[zenith pawn]

What do you mean by intimacy

[lean grove]

Intimacy is when something feels close. You're probably perceiving everything as intimate with the 6xx. That the singer is right up against your ear.

It could be the opposite of wide sounding.

With the hd800s, everything sounds detached and far away. There is a lot of music where the musician is supposed to be very close to you and the hd800 pushes them away.

[zenith pawn]

So if you mess with headphone tuning, you can only sort of push everything closer or further away?

Is that the idea

[lean grove]

Kind of.

It's more like the only way to make a headphone sound like not a headphone through staging is through fucking with the sound.

And like, there are tasteful amounts. I do like the 1.6khz hifiman dip to an extent.

And having a lower acoustic impedance meaning a more "open" headphone.

That one doesnt really fuck with the sound.

Alternatively you can have something that assumes youre using headphones and has a decent HRTF built into the game engine, or using a dummy head or binaural recordings for music

I would rather have a headphone that is not pretending to be something it's not, and have something recorded intentionally to work with headphones

Rather than soundstage meme headphones which, yes sound wide, but lose a lot on the way there.

You can also make things sound closer by like, boosting the upper mids but I don't like headphones that do that.

Focal does that sometimes

[zenith pawn]

Problem is I can't change my music preferences based on whether its designed to sound right

I'll have to try it

[lean grove]

You can take the blue pill and find headphones that you like more

Give the 6xx a bit more time but no sense keeping it if you're not gonna want to use it

Grey recommended the edition xs and the r70x

Edition xs is a pretty good deal right now

[zenith pawn]

I'll definitely give it at least a week or two before considering returning

See if it gets more comfortable

[steel escarp]

no 6xx has like no sound stage behind you

it stages further away from you in front of you

but I wouldn't chase the widest sound stage either, I think its more important that it just sounds coherent, everything being properly placed

Fiio FT3 is really good at that, I just didn't like vocals on that headphone sadly, sounded too unrefined.

[lean grove]

My stereo speakers don't have any stage behind me either

[prisma root]

my ath-m40x's died after almost a decade😢

m50x or dt 990 pro?

[steel escarp]

Weird

Mine do

[lean grove]

No. They don't.

[steel escarp]

Get a larger room and better placement

[lean grove]

You're missing the point

[steel escarp]

Its not much i'll give you that, but ocasionally it will sound like something is behind you

6xx never has that occasion

[lean grove]

That's due to the recording and the room.

[steel escarp]

Its normal for headphone stage to wrap around your head.

[lean grove]

Not the speakers

[lean grove]

I get it all the time while gaming.

[steel escarp]

Your brain must already be compensating

For the lack of upper treble

6xx 3 blob sound stage

[zenith pawn]

I found my soundstage test

they must be using the hrtf audio setting

[stone quartz]

They are putting a lot of faith in that glass table

Apparently, the bottom power amp is 87KG alone

[celest vessel]

is there anyone experienced with audios that can help me out? im using a xlr mic but i have trouble finding the right settings and finding what causes what

[sleek lily]

aint no way

[haughty girder]

I mean as long as you're not hitting the edge of the glass, tempered glass in the middle is pretty good

when I was in china there were people marketing glass tables by whipping a bamboo stick into the middle of the table and showing how it doesn't break

what they won't show is the thing being hit on the edge because that's where they'll shatter

[raven lagoon]

hey guys a friend of mine bought the truthear pure iems and he says they sound cheap and with no bass he tryied the foam eartips to see if thats the problem but still what can he do

[stone quartz]

Interesting

[stone quartz]

I've had similar problems with in-ears. In my case, very little bass and piercing treble. I just had to keep experimenting with tips until I got lucky.

I must have strange ears

[livid ruin]

or taking a diamond and hitting it with a bamboo stick on the glass table

or some hard mineral

like quartz, which is found basicly anywhere

you probably have it in your pockets

[haughty girder]

what did he have before?

Pure are warm iems, not necessarily bassy

if you're looking for super thumpy bass while still maintaining a relatively usable midrange you're better off just grabbing like the QKZ x HBB

[haughty girder]

well you'll definitely nick it but sand won't shatter the thickness those glass normally are

also no shit something that's large and sharp will shatter it

[livid ruin]

hammer it agaisnt tempered glass and find out

[haughty girder]

hammer - that's the real issue

[raven lagoon]

he wanted them for gaming

[haughty girder]

then I'm not sure why he wants bassy for gaming?

[elder thistle]

which games? or at least what kind of gaming

[raven lagoon]

competitive mostly cs2 pubg tarkov

but he generaly complained that they didnt sound good at all

[dull trout]

could be because hes not used to the tuning

truthear tend to be...... boring if youve gone from some spicy/v-shappy/s shappy tuned iem or any other thing hes used before

[raven lagoon]

he had the kraken ultimate

[dull trout]

tell him to give truthear pure some time

his ear would need to adjust

3days to a week would suffice

[zenith pawn]

ears are not used to having good audio for the first time

[dull trout]

considering kraken being the benchmark... yeah

[raven lagoon]

is it possible that they are problematic

[dull trout]

very unlikely unless the other side sound a whole lot different/has less volume

we cant actually tell you because you dont have the tool to measure

what you can tell him is to let it sit with him for a while

[raven lagoon]

yeah i am also in another country from him

[zenith pawn]

going from gaming headphones to actual audiophile iems is gonna make it sound very flat, because that's how things are supposed to sound

[dull trout]

well, i can tell you that moving from an iem to another for me do take a while too (a week or so) because of how different they are
so im betting its just his ear not used to the 'fidelity'

i hated my first iem too after moving from arctis 7

ask him to take his time widdit. 3 days in or so he should start hearing colors lol

[raven lagoon]

ok i will tell him but he really hates them

thanks for the advice

[dull trout]

hm maybe unrelated, but is he connecting it directly to his pc/laptop or something?

[onyx coral]

About to get maxwells 2, people seem to like them, what’s the opinion on here?

[raven lagoon]

yeah tried it both from the front and back io and his phone

[zenith pawn]

phone with a dongle? or built in headphone jack?

[livid ruin]

a wooden hammer won’t break tempered glass on it’s own if you smack it agaisnt glass moderately, if there is a shard of hard mineral on the table and you smack that the glass will break

[haughty girder]

A wooden hammer is called a mallet

A hammer by definition is metal

[raven lagoon]

Dongle

[haughty crypt]

Hey I’m on audio technica ath-R50x but I’m looking to switch to something that drowns out background noise as I’m gonna be moving into a dorm soon. Any recommendations?

[tired crown]

What’s the best $150 or less mic

[restive sigil]

Hello, does anyone here own any "Prisim Sound" products? more specifically the Titan ? or has tried it ?

[lean grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/826973115765489684/830486976976388126/image0.gif

[restive sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/its-always-sunny-yes-gif-12728396

[solid dirge]

Ddebating getting the Space Travel 2s and the ST2 Ultras. Want planars mostly, I dont care too much about the default tuning, Ill tune it myself but just wondering if its even worth the extra $10

[zenith pawn]

what is the purpose of the gap in the middle of the headband padding on the HD 6xx? I think that might be part of why it's so uncomfortable to me, much less supported

Or it could be that the padding material isnt as springy

[hollow oxide]

Does voice boost also affect audio quality like stable volume does on youtube?

[warm scarab]

ayo asetto corsa

[lean grove]

Pads at the top leads to a hot spot at the top of the head. That's where the most pressure will be, so the foam will compress most compared to other places.

[frosty olive]

Anyone have any good suggestions?

I like the Bose QC, but having no option to turn off the ANC/passthrough is a deal breaker.

More info here: https://www.reddit.com/r/HeadphoneAdvice/comments/1qh8gip/lf_bluetooth_headphones_200/

[solid dirge]

After much debate and denying my true preference, just getting the base ST2

[jovial epoch]

uhmmmm im not experienced in audio stuff but why does my xm4's bluetooth connection to my computer is weird? like the sound is off and the connection is bad?

it shutters </33

[haughty girder]

what computer

with what apps?

[jovial epoch]

Windows 11 and YouTube

[warm scarab]

use the stereo output device and disable the microphone

[elder thistle]

if you're looking to keep most of the things about the r50x's sound the same, the m50x may be the way to go

or it's clones

[livid ruin]

i would probably refrain from buying the clones as i assume part swapping could be an issue with them, or mix ups

we don’t know who manufactures them

[zenith pawn]

ignoring soundstage it still seems like the 6xx have quite imprecise imaging, that's my larger complaint

The overall sound quality feels very good though

[haughty girder]

I genuinely do not understand why people have an issue with 6x0 staging

ig it's narrow but it's wider than iems and narrower than speakers, I don't see an issue with that

the entire 3 blob imaging thing is kinda whatever unless you're gaming at which point you'd want iems anyways since the more intimate stage makes imaging more easily distinguishable

[zenith pawn]

it feels a lot narrower than both my iems

It just makes it sound worse

[haughty girder]

what iems?

[zenith pawn]

• truthear zero red
• 7hz zero:2

[haughty girder]

erm, odd.

[zenith pawn]

I mean maybe its not the narrowness of soundstage so much, because nils made a good point about that. But it doesn't feel like I can accurately tell what angle something comes from

[haughty girder]

oh that's normal

that's why every professional gaming match uses iems

[zenith pawn]

Why would iems inherently be better at it

[haughty girder]

the soundstage is inherently more intimate or "feels closer" to your head

and the fit for iems are far more consistent than headphones

which means that the limited imaging that they do have is closer and more consistent, which makes it easier to pinpoint where things are

obv plenty of headphones will beat iems in terms of imaging realism and stage width, but as far as synthetic imaging goes like games, iems are better

[zenith pawn]

Would it be caused by the narrower soundstage, or just related? Because the 6xx definitely do feel very close to your head, and that's not just from me

[haughty girder]

my guess is it's related, but more to do with how it seals inside the ear which reduces variability in phase and relies on the acoustic impedance of the ear canal and drum rather than the entire ear, in addition to not really relying on HRTF tuning like headphones

[elder thistle]

what gave you that idea

or the consistent fit one

[haughty girder]

This one is simple: bypassing the entire pinna and having higher acoustic impedance since it's (optimally) sealed in your ear reduces the variance from person to person or even fitment to fitment

for example, headphones are affected by just about everything such as temperature of the earpads, glasses, or even where you placed them on your head if they're slightly shifted forward or back

but because of this, it also does not rely on the HRTF of the person's head the same way headphones largely do

since the main interaction with the ear occurs in the ear canal, not the pinna, which makes tuning of iems also more important to characteristics like imaging (which I do think is at least partially dictated by the fine frequency response)

but, headphones having at least some interaction with the pinna also means it can more accurately reflect real life with the HRTF in mind, even if the variance that occurs from person to person is more

As far as gaming goes, you're not trying to mimick realism but rather pinpoint locations in a virtual world which means that even if headphones can image better by properly abusing HRTF, a decent set of iems will still be a competitive advantage for its intimacy since the drivers are so close to the ears and the fitment is more consistent which also means more consistency in its imaging

[elder thistle]

1. canal shape, length, insertion depth, and insertion angle all play a big role on how iems vary between people

2. headphones usually image better because they create a more personalized hrtf/hptf as the sound strikes your real ear geometry, something iems don't do

[haughty girder]

yep exactly

Between people to people past ~5k is where things start becoming different, but fit to fit is incredibly consistent assuming it's fitting

[elder thistle]

nah, there's plenty of activity in other areas too like 70hz, 400hz, 1k, 1.7k bigtime

realistically just about everywhere

[haughty girder]

not really no

well in headphones yes

in iems below 1k is pretty consistent

[elder thistle]

anyways, sound at the eardrum varying between two different people's ears is very important for the effectiveness of headphones with imaging

it increases effectiveness when there is more variance

at least when that variance is caused in the desired way

[haughty girder]

when the imaging changes every time I put my headphones on I don't think that gives me any competitive advantage

[elder thistle]

I meant between people

[haughty girder]

I mean I don't think we're disagreeing - I simply said that headphones image better at the cost of consistency

and consistency is more important in gaming where imaging is normally concerned

[zenith pawn]

decided to try the peqdb ultra target on my 6xx

there is no way this is supposed to be good

i think this sounds worse than my free earpods

it sounds like a podcast

yes i am aware you are supposed to take the test to find your personal target

[lone flame]

mosth headphones not really

(blocked earcanal)

yes, differences can be everywhere ofc. But mostly it starts noticably at ~3khz

[royal willow]

Anyone ever used the Simgot ep5? Thinking of buying it and the Fifine AM8 to replace my old ahh hyperX cloud II.

[lone flame]

Audio is mostly "try out and find out"

we can say so much stuff about IEMs and Headphones we like

but it most likely is useless for your

[royal willow]

I guess so

[lone flame]

buz i personally would NOT use them

for multiple reasons

[lone flame]

how much would you like to spend?

[royal willow]

Around 100€ for some good headphones

[zenith pawn]

maybe somethings wrong to do with the browser chain

[lone flame]

peqdb

[lone flame]

open back or closed?

[zenith pawn]

because even with the eq disabled on the website it sounds terrible

[lone flame]

yeah u know why

peqdb has a problem

they just took measurements from others and let them compare to each other

[royal willow]

Semi-open back maybe? Im not sure i want wide soundstage but i also want decent isolation

[lone flame]

in short. you can have 711 KB50xx and 711 KB006x and 4128 and 5128 measurements in one

with the same targets

and thats straught up wrong

[royal willow]

Thats why i have been eyeing the Simgot ep5

[zenith pawn]

yeah i'm a little confuesd about them, because it acts like "diffuse field" is some magical singular target instead of a customized one calibrated to everyone's individual machine

i picked hangout

i forgot to try comparing

[lone flame]

yeah its because Mr Sha.... just went on Squig and downloaded / Traced every measurement and now says "i have the largest measurement database"

[zenith pawn]

the website also is incredibly slow and unusable

but i hate SPAs with a passion

[lone flame]

semi open imo doesnt exist

either its open or not

and for isolation nah it doesnt really work imo

[royal willow]

Ah yeah i guess that makes sense

But open back then i guess

[zenith pawn]

if you want isolation then buy iems

[lone flame]

do you have a loud enviroment?

[royal willow]

Not really thats why i felt like getting open backs but at the same time i like the feeling of being isolated from the outside so i can really fully focus

[lone flame]

hmm
as long as there is no sound you will hear your enviroment

if you play games or listen to music most likely no

[royal willow]

Itll be mostly for fps games but also daily use which is why i want open back so I can have that wide soundstage and the positional ques.

[lone flame]

well

[royal willow]

Alr open back it is

[lone flame]

open back doesn't automatically mean wide soundstage

(looking at you HD600 )

[zenith pawn]

calling me out

[royal willow]

I know but from what ive heard most of the time its wider

[zenith pawn]

(i just got the hd 6xx last friday)

[lone flame]

its a great headphone

[zenith pawn]

id say pick it based on comfort and preference, not necessarily sound

[lone flame]

also chasing Soundstage is kinda meh

don't do that

[royal willow]

I thought about some iems which were the simgot eg280 but then im not sure if it will be as comfortable

[lone flame]

i could name some headphones where alot ot most people tend to hear a wide soundstage. But that can be different for you

[royal willow]

Sure why not

[lone flame]

Sennheiser HD800
Sennheiser HD800s
Hifiman Edition XV
Hifiman Arya Unveiled
uhhhh.
KSC75

but again. could be "mono" sound for you lol

i firstly would try to look at something comfy

and something that suits your preference

EQ is a tool you could always use. it can help with the soundstage thing

[royal willow]

Alright

[lone flame]

same for IEMs

so do you have any preference in sound?

like neutral, bassy, bright, warm?!

[royal willow]

Bassy warm is guess i dont really like sharp high pitch noises to much since my hearing is very sensitive

[lone flame]

bassy warm screams FT1 to me

even tho it could (mostly) have some treble peaks

and i love the comfort and sound

(its closed back)

[royal willow]

170€ not to bad

[lone flame]

yeah

wait 170€?

[royal willow]

Ill take a look at them

[lone flame]

where do u live

[royal willow]

Germany

[lone flame]

geil

[royal willow]

Hahaha

[lone flame]

ach ja. kosten 170€ lol
total vergessen was ich damals ausgegeben hab xD

[royal willow]

170€ gehen ganz klar eigentlich schau ich mir mal an sollte ich easy sparen können

Back to English

[lone flame]

yes
would use it with a dongle

because PC onboard really sucks

the AM8 is a soild mic, you can pick that one 😄

Apple Dongle for 10€ would be enough for the FT1

[royal willow]

You might hate me for this but i thought until i can afford a proper dac to use the monitoring output on the am8 since you can route system audio through it if you connect via Usb-c and also mix in your voice without delay so i wont scream subconsciously.

[royal willow]

Ah

Well then forget what i said just now

[lone flame]

yeah

apple dongle already is a "proper dac" lmao

[royal willow]

I was thinking like propper desktop dac/amp

[lone flame]

ye ik ik

you CAN get one of those

but do you need them? prolly not

[zenith pawn]

do you ever feel subbass beyond where your ears cut out, so certain low frequencies would only be perceivable on speakers that shake your entire body

or is the subbass vibrations entirely hallucinated from what your ears feel

[royal willow]

Yeah

[royal willow]

Thats what ive heard sub bass is mostly about

Feeling the sound instead of actually hearing it

[zenith pawn]

i;m trying to tell whether you physically can feel the vibrations or if it's just imagined from ear

[lone flame]

Speaker Bass SOUNDS different

difference is probably bonce conduction

if you whole body shakes that means that your body will send the vibrations to your ears

and you easly just FEEL it too lol

[zenith pawn]

im talking like below 30 hz because on iems (ones that are also very flat in subbass regions), the whole body shakes instantly disappear once i go below a certain frequency

[royal willow]

Alr ill go act as if i am sleeping since i got school soon and i can hear my parents alarm

[zenith pawn]

and i'm not sure whether speakers would make body shakes that would still be perceptible even if my ear cant hear it

[lone flame]

uh

it may actually be your body reacting to it

but the whole body?

[zenith pawn]

it feels like whole body but it obviously is just the brain imagining it based on what's heard

[lone flame]

i never experienced it

[zenith pawn]

hmm

[haughty girder]

Jackson was primarily talking about the bass differences - which the headphones have, and the treble which all audio devices have

Which this graph proves

The 1-4k differences is what most people will disagree on and deem a headphone good or bad

[lone flame]

bass difference is mostly fit or seal issues

[haughty girder]

Yes which is included

HRTF I'm sure you know is head torso and ear

[lone flame]

yeah

ofc

[haughty girder]

Iems for the most part with the right size eartips avoid the variances in the bass region

[lone flame]

the avoid many things

like the analogue stuff with the Pinna 😄

[haughty girder]

Yah

[lone flame]

im personally not a huge fan of IEMs

on PC speakers or Over ear Open back

for togo in ears are fine

[haughty girder]

Literally the only part that matters for the most part is the ear canal and high acoustic impedance means both ba and dd can be effective

[lone flame]

normally you want a low acoustic impedance

because high acoustic impedance starts to fck up stuff

low to none

[haughty girder]

Yeah that's why speakers superiority

But high acoustic impedance is how iems work at all

[lone flame]

or ear speaker

KSC75

[haughty girder]

Hell no lmaoooo

[lone flame]

i love my HD800s

[haughty girder]

Oh I was thinking more k1k but yes yes

[lone flame]

it may not be 0 Z. but it's atleast low Z

[haughty girder]

I'm a fan of iems merely because headphones don't work with some of my glasses

[lone flame]

valid

i wear glasses too. but in my house i don't need them

[haughty girder]

Oddly enough I also actually quite enjoy bass that doesn't vibrate my soul

[lone flame]

i can't get away from my HD800s

[haughty girder]

I don't need glasses at all (I can legally drive without em) but I prefer them on

[lone flame]

i accidentally EQd them to i just say "absolute perfection"

[haughty girder]

Which is why I've limited my investments for headphones down to HD600 and FT1

[lone flame]

i have listened to many Headphones so far. and nothing comes close to my EQd HD800s lol

[haughty girder]

Then I found out I have developed a genetic hypersensitivity to treble

[lone flame]

HD600 is awesome FT1 too

yeah im sensitive to treble too

[haughty girder]

FT1 is awesome for as long as you can EQ out the peaky treble

[lone flame]

FT1 is actually my favourite closed back

there is nothing so far that sounds better

even with the treble flaws lol

Lows and mids sound so goooooood

my HD800s sounds like my Speakers

thats the best part

only difference ofc is the room interaction lol

[haughty girder]

But I have Middle Ear Myoclonus where after a while of voices that contain a lot of 2-4k (or instruments) will start to cause the muscle to start spasming

[lone flame]

but in terms of tuning its like 99.5% spot on

(only added bit more bass for fun)

[haughty girder]

And only in my left ear

Yeah HD800 with bass eq is super nice

It can't replace a pair of LSR308 but it's pretty nice in its own right

[lone flame]

im more into headphones because i love the hard panning

[haughty girder]

The issue for me is uh, HD800/s requires me to basically nuke the treble if I wanna listen to more than 10 minutes

[lone flame]

for real

HD800 Treble EQ was the easist thing to ever fix on a headphone for me

[haughty girder]

it's actually really bad for me

Like I assume you've heard of aful explorer

[lone flame]

my HD800s EQ had a pretty funny "story"

i did it by ear and used my speakers as reference

and when i just for fun put it into graph

[haughty girder]

You matched it ?

[lone flame]

yeah by ear

matched my HD800s to my speakers

i had like 40+ Filters in the EQ

when i put it in i was stunned

"bro, shit is literally 5128 DF Tilt"

so i justz Auto EQd it and added my "preference" back

like the bass and the "stock" 1-4K

im bit sensitive to 1-4K area (mostly 3K) on headphones

IEMs are WAY worse lmao

[haughty girder]

And you've figured out your preference curve

Ww

[lone flame]

nah

that only works with my HD800s

any other headphone will look "less on target"

which is pretty normal

maybe its because of the great build of the HD800/s

because it is pretty (very) consistent over various amounts of heads

[lone flame]

as you can see here

[haughty girder]

So uh, explorer which has nukes 3-4k still causes me some pain around 2k with certain voices

The 6k peak was surprisingly okay though

[lone flame]

yeah

idk whats happening in my ears

but i get something like "resonances" in 1-4K area

if its to loud

[haughty girder]

Does it also just go like ticking and buzzing?

[lone flame]

sometimes. but only because earwax

i have earwax problems

[haughty girder]

Oh me too, but mine is dry cause I'm asian

[lone flame]

because my earcanal has 1. an weird shape and 2. its insanely small

i have problems to fit any IEM in

like my Truthear Hexa has a like 10-15dB boost at 3-4khz 💀

[haughty girder]

Hence why I've stuck to explorers since they're tiny and super comfy for me. Orchlite was not it

[lone flame]

in my ears

[haughty girder]

Ig I really should get my ears checked out

Or measured

I've been also meaning to just get a pair of ciems and be done with audio once and for all

[lone flame]

i think CIems have some issues

its hard to tune them if they are made for your ear lol

[zenith pawn]

man i cant even see my monitor without my glasses

[haughty girder]

Oof tragic

[lone flame]

BRUH

[haughty girder]

What's your prescription??? －6？

[lone flame]

there is surgery if it annoys you

im actually thinking of it

[haughty girder]

Mine is -0.75 for both eyes but I have astigmatism which my glasses greatly help with

So legally I can drive without glasses but it's way better with them

[lone flame]

have astigmatism too

annoyin af tbh

espacially when i drive in the night

[haughty girder]

Yeah I love being flashbanged by every headlight on the road at night

[lone flame]

stupid cars nowadays have stoopid flood lights

[haughty girder]

YEAHHH

[zenith pawn]

no i like my glasses

[lone flame]

even tho my car does the same

[zenith pawn]

i dont even remember

i mean i guess i can see my monitor without glasses

but it's hard below like 10 pt fonts

[haughty girder]

Bruh

[lone flame]

men i love good sound

its so awesome espacially if your taste in music is mostly "low quality" music

and im far away of "Audiophile Quality music" lol

[zenith pawn]

i love my 80s music with treble that sounds like leaves in the wind

[lone flame]

I listen to Japanese EDM so...

Compared to western EDM...

-5db low shelf 120hz

+4db high shelf 5000hz

[warm silo]

Same

[cosmic echo]

hello Anyone knew how to get rid of white noise in headphones? It happening when i connect my headphones(any headphones - logi g333, mmx150, fiio fd3) to my usb mic (Rode nt usb mini or Redragon Stellaris)... I change place of living and now can't connect them to the back of PC + I like the sound (it's louder and have more details or it's placebo)

[wet elk]

Possible it's just acting as a monitor for the mic so hearing noise from the room? Generally speaking USB DAC separated from the machine so should have less analog noise and whatnot, maybe try moving and/or muting the mic though

[shut crystal]

Does anyone have any recommendations for USB-C in to XLR out signal channel mixers?

[lone flame]

uh no

i would use an interface

[haughty girder]

wait type C in to XLR out? isn't that just a dac? smth like a fiio k13?

[wheat moss]

single channel

mixer

Wat

Yeah this is just a dac/interface

[civic beacon]

Did someone say Single Channel Mixer?

[terse river]

this is amazing

[wheat moss]

That's not single channel though

Oh it's a joke product

[civic beacon]

Presses Gogo dancer button, followed by the Throw Cakes button.

[noble axle]

Would it work as a headphone amp?

Or do they have meh output VA?

[lean grove]

You could certainly plug your headphones into it

[noble axle]

is it better than motherboard audio tho

[lean grove]

Feel free to test it out yourself and report back to us

[noble axle]

ill have to get an aux to rca to find out, things gonna be cursed asf

[wheat moss]

Unless you have a motherboard from the same era as that thing, no

[zenith pawn]

the secret solution to fix your motherboard audio: 300 ohm headphones

[warm scarab]

very certainly not

most modern amps have atrocious headphone stages

and that thing is ancient

and in addition to that it doesnt even look like one of the good old timer amps

[civic beacon]

Um... if you have to use one analog source to feed this SHARP stereo with a source, only to then plug your headphones into the SHARP stereo's headphone output, I don't think you're doing yourself any favors.

[thin fulcrum]

What's a good 70$ audio mixer just for changing sound level like the TC Helicon GoXLR Mini

[noble axle]

alsodontgetmewrong i do use an actual amp (albeit a dongle) the sharp was given to me so im just playing with it

[winged valve]

the timer 😭

[winged valve]

i have plenty lying around 😭

[brittle moon]

Does anyone have any good reccomondations on some good PC Speakers? I want them to have great and loud sound for gaming and Music. Mostly for Music. I don't need percision surround sound to hear the heartbeat of my enemcy across the map, Im not a competitive gamer but I would like it to sound amazing for the sound fx.. I currently have the Razer Legion v2 and its terrible. Hardware wise its a great setup, amazing sound. But the software is a pile of shit. I can't wait to get rid of them

[steel escarp]

Adam Audio D3V are pretty good for the price

[haughty girder]

as in, changing sound level inside windows?

so like one fader mapped to discord, another to spotify, etc.?

GoXLR mini is a bit of an odd product since nothing's quite like it

it's an audio interface with a virtual fader setup

nowadays you can find them used for that price, just get it if that's what you need

if you're solely looking for virtual input manager then voicemeeter works great still

If you want physical controls with voicemeeter, get a midi controller with faders and map them to voicemeeter

[thin fulcrum]

I like the physical control so I don't have to switch screen or pull anything up

[cold spindle]

tbh i would not buy the goxlr mini as well yeah the drivers are kinda fucked. there is atm a thing called midi mixer. wich allows you to change audio tho requires a bit of setup and it requires a midi device to controll it

tho most fader based midi controllers are kinda more then 70. unless your fine with knobs

some are sold cheaper tho it's from aliexpress and yeah the quality

[stuck bolt]

Does anyone have any speaker recommendations for a sealed 6in 2 way active speaker under $300-400

Currently weighing my options between DIY and buying something

[hardy vine]

I got the snowsky melody recently and I realized it was cutting audio off because I set it to stream only when needed, but I set it to always on and it does the same shit, any suggestions on how to fix that?

[hidden tinsel]

What do you think of the Edifier M60 Speaker

[haughty girder]

wait show the setting you changed?

or this?

[hardy vine]

I changed only the option in fiio controller

Not at my PC now to check the exact name, but I will check it what you screenshoted

[flint parcel]

Hey I’m working on setting up a 5.1 system. I have all speakers plugged in correctly but the front 2 are not playing any audio at all. All left and right channel sound comes out of the rear surrounds. Center channel, surrounds, and sub works. No front. Plugged in to an ARC extractor to convert to optical

Anyone have any ideas?

[cosmic plume]

Heya, im looking for Something to replace ny Onkyo TX-7430 after it blew up after 35-ish years of use. I tried to fix it and it worked shortly again but blew up again, and i cant spot any obvious damage elsewhere.

I would like something in the same formfactor (has to be flat), has build in CD/DVD/Blueray, Bluetooth, FM radio and DAB+ radio, ability to Connect 2 Left and 2 Right speakers, and optimally built in cassete player. CD should not be a top-loader, there isnt any space above. For under 200€, since I dont need excellent audio quality.

If any of the above features arent in it, as example Cassette, i would like an Analog Input where i could feed a Cassette Player into.

If anything comes to mind, please let me know, id appreciate it. Any websites to filter on and find specific devices would also be nice (think something like https://geizhals.de and their PC sorting stuff)

[cosmic plume]

Ive found the Teufel Kombo 11 for 230€, but thats only two channels..

[brisk topaz]

what iems would you guys recommend for £30?

[lone flame]

Truthear Gate

if you dont have a seperate Soundcard

get the Apple Dongle too

[solid dirge]

. did I not send that..? Or did you double post

[brisk topaz]

yeah i accidentally put it in tc1

[solid dirge]

Theyve got 3.5mm and USB C cable options

[zenith pawn]

7hz zero:2 is pretty good. I will have to try the truthear gate though

[zenith pawn]

https://headphones.com/blogs/features/soundstage-is-much-more-complicated-than-you-think

[celest galleon]

for using IEMs with a PC for gaming, discord calls, music and videos, should i also get a DAC and if yes is one of those 5 bucks cables enough?

like the jcally jm12 /jm6 pro

[steel escarp]

Those are fine for IEMs

Shouldn't need anything more powerful

If you use a laptop for gaming, modern ones have a pretty decent jack already. No need to replace it.

[brisk topaz]

most modern pc dacs are fine

[restive sigil]

99.9% of motherboard DACs are good enough for 99.9% of the population lol

dont sweat it

unless you can hear frequencies above 20k

[warm scarab]

thats not how it works

[restive sigil]

trust, MB dac is enough for many people

[steel escarp]

my motherboard doesn't even have one 💀

[zenith pawn]

eh motherboard amplifiers often have high output impedance, which matters especially so for iems which are typically low impedance

if it's a concern then buy a dongle or something

apple sells one for $9

[livid ruin]

me when i can’t tell diff between dac/amp and audio on $100 modaboard

unless i like to go deaf

[zenith pawn]

Weird, I would expect making it deafeningly loud would make it harder to tell the difference

[livid ruin]

motherboard audio can’t output enough powah to some headphones

although most mb interfaces are enough to comfortably power hifiman headphones imo

[zenith pawn]

Well for the majority of headphones and almost all iems they have enough power

[livid ruin]

i don’t like cranking up volume very high yk

[zenith pawn]

I was just complaining about the high output impedance causing it to sound different

[livid ruin]

it’s not noticable for me

[zenith pawn]

it probably depends on the specific one

[livid ruin]

yeah it depends on which headphones and on the person

[zenith pawn]

I mainly am talking about iems which are generally very low impedance

[livid ruin]

but like it won’t make a good sounding headphones make sound bad

[zenith pawn]

well it will if they're low impedance :p

[livid ruin]

yeah those can turn into bass cannons in worse case muddy ballistas

and mess up the treble in certain headphones

[zenith pawn]

the impedance isn't flat across all frequencies so it would cause different frequencies to be louder, like an eq of sorts, if the output impedance is significant compared to the headphone's at that specific frequency

This is the truthear zero red for example

[livid ruin]

the iems i had, which were around 32ohms, mb audio was ok

[zenith pawn]

it's not the number rating but the shape of the impedance curve

if its flat then it's just quieter

[livid ruin]

it’s usually not flat

[zenith pawn]

Exactly

[livid ruin]

like with my kz castors (non bass version) they were alright on mb audio

kinda sad they have distortion around 1k but, although i didn’t notice what’s up with it

i don’t listen to 114db and with short bursts, uhh, still didn’t notice anything weird at 1khz, they just sound like bright iems

[zenith pawn]

Odd

maybe deaf already

it's that apple designed motherboard

[livid ruin]

maybe or my ears aren’t well trained idk

[zenith pawn]

lucky motherboard pull perhaps

I have a mighty sample size of 2

one msi z690 and one asrock z890

[mighty quest]

Anyone know of any small USB device or something with a speaker that could be used for a power button chime?

Maybe something like this

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DK9SL6C

[drifting meteor]

Not sure if I should ask here or not, but I recently have been looking into getting a speaker system for my setup as I've been previously using an old tv as both a 2nd monitor and main sound source. I've been told that the steelseries arena 7 2.1 set or the logitech Z533 2.1 would be good for my $250 ish budget. Any thoughts on those speakers or maybe better ones?

[terse river]

.https://edifier-online.com/collections/speakers/products/edifier-r1700bts-brown

https://edifier-online.com/collections/speakers/products/edifier-r1850db

those are porbably the best options

bottom ones are better sound wise, but they don't have bluetooth control

[drifting meteor]

oo thank you, I did see Edifier popping up a lot too. Though those ones are slightly above what I'd prefer to spend, is it worth that price and do you know if they will last a long time?

[terse river]

Theyll likely last. Im just going off internet navigation like you would be, Im making educated guesses to say how they will sound. All I can say is that unless you're buying used, you probably wont find much better around this price range

Its up to you to decide if the price is worth it..

[drifting meteor]

Ah okok, thank you

I'll look around a bit more but otherwise they seem like the best ones so far

[candid hare]

just got my dual monitors setup really happy with them but i dont have somewhere to put my second studio monitor. i have not plugged them in yet but it seems like the one being on the left might be to close to me lol

[haughty girder]

well optimally you'd have them either angled with the tweeters pointed towards your ears, or that they'd be on stands where the tweeters are level with your ears. Then, the angles should make it as close to an equilateral triangle as possible

what I'd do personally is try to get two floor stands of some sort and actually place the speakers further away off the desk, but at the same angle towards you

cause this is your setup rn

even hthough this still isn't optimal, having them equidistant is a LOT better than having them the way you have em rn

[candid hare]

@haughty girder Thanks for that I'll look into some floor stands 🤘

[haughty girder]

I also take it that you can't wallmount

or that there's that tv in the way

so I'd say floor mount would be your best bet

[candid hare]

Yeah I could if I got rid of that TV I'm just keeping it up there to keep it safe for right now I really don't need it

I took a old pencil holder thingy and put my interfaces in it. It's so much better and I can easily control it

And I still have pencil storage

😂

[restive sigil]

does anyone here use an ambisonic microphone ?

[lean grove]

No.

Podcastage might have someone though

[shadow stag]

how much of a better sound would the creative pebbles have over a mid 00s genius desktop speaker?

is that the closest to small desktop monitors?

suggested desktop microphone that is decent without an external interface?

[lone flame]

Fifine AM8

Speaker thing uhhh

Speakers are sadly the more expensive way of listening to audio... Pebbles are ok. Good for the price, compared to other good speakers still not really that nice.

I woukd maybe save up to like 100 bucks and get the MR3 or MR4

[shadow stag]

what's the minimum size/dimensions for full range speakers?

[vapid plank]

Towers

Depends what you consider full range

[lean grove]

In theory maybe watermelon sized. But those are pretty expensive if they can do full range and come with sacrifices.

Something like the Dutch and Dutch 8c or genelec 8361a

Those are very expensive speakers

[shadow stag]

something that doesn't sink the wallet?

[lean grove]

If you want to pay for something reasonable, then you want a 2.1 system

Have the stereo speakers do most of the work and have the subwoofer do all the hard stuff that like 80hz and below

[shadow stag]

pebbles sub sits on the desk nicely too?

i don't have a ton of space

[lean grove]

If you don't have a ton of space you're not gonna have full range.

The pebbles themselves probably extend down to about 100hz if I had to guess.

[shadow stag]

yep and the pros do 80hz

[lean grove]

That's probably after they've already started rolling off

Manufacturers really embellish how low their speakers can go

[shadow stag]

it has a up to 30w rms and better signal to noise ratio

[lean grove]

Like, yes technically they can do 80hz. They can theoretically do 20hz too. But it's not gonna be as loud as the rest of the music.

For your budget I think the pebbles are gonna be your best bet.

[shadow stag]

https://support.creative.com/kb/ShowArticle.aspx?sid=200788&c

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-anne-mcqueen-tiger-king2-the-carole-diaries-analyzing-gif-24216008

Get the pros if you can afford them I guess

[shadow stag]

pros are about 200k more ars than the v3

[lean grove]

Your currency is so fucked, man

That's a lot of pesos

[shadow stag]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lean grove]

Sorry I don't have a concept of how much more expensive that is. It's up to you. The difference between extending down to 100hz and 80hz is not huge but it's not small. And the 30 watt amp is gonna be good if you like to play loud music, but there's no guarantee that the speaker is gonna hold it together at max volume.

If the extra money is important to you, get the cheaper one.

If you can spend it on something thats a bit better, get the pros

[shadow stag]

and the v3 are like ~250k

noted thanks

[vapid plank]

stereo gear is always worth the investment

[lean grove]

sorry no poor-fi allowed.

[shadow stag]

any objections?

[vapid plank]

Let’s see your non poor fi

[lean grove]

https://klipy.com/gifs/gone-3

[elder thistle]

when did the t5v become almost $500/pair

[steel escarp]

wtf, how is that garbage allowed to be sold for so much

I paid 400 for a pair of T7V in like 2023

[elder thistle]

they make utopia drivers sound unresolving

but that's not necessarily a good thing. and definitely not the only important property a speaker needs for music production and mixing

or rather the beryllium drivers in focal stellias, I mean

[steel escarp]

they are bright af

without DSP

[elder thistle]

the t5v's resolution can never be outperformed, only matched

[steel escarp]

what?

[elder thistle]

yes slightly bright

[steel escarp]

its a cheap ribbon that has a 5dB treble boost

[elder thistle]

treble levels are irrelevant

when you have bottomless resolution, you can have -10db treble and hear each instrument perfectly unobstructed

[steel escarp]

if its boosted, you'll think its more detailed

its a 100% relevant

[elder thistle]

I know what I said

[steel escarp]

get some HEDD Type 07 Mk2

they have good ribbons

tbh, completely skip ribbons if you are not a nearfield listener

[elder thistle]

I said treble level is irrelevant with bottomless resolution

treble volume is not treble resolution

treble volume isn't detail

[steel escarp]

a lot of people say DT990 is detailed

[elder thistle]

that's irrelevant

[steel escarp]

if the higher frequencies are boosted, you'll think you hear more detail

its not irrelevant

its just how it works

[elder thistle]

I have never assessed a headphone as having high detail in relation to treble volume

[steel escarp]

T7V in my room, its bright, because harman in room response has down sloping treble

[elder thistle]

it's a function of human hearing to hear resolution vs treble volume as two separate things

in fact resolution is just separate from fr in general

if your perception of resolution has changed when you activate an eq, you are an untrained listener

[steel escarp]

no... ears are particularly sensitive to specific areas

if you emphasise those areas in the frequency response, of course your brain will think its more detailed

[elder thistle]

no it wont

you've merely boosted the volume of preexisting details

they aren't new

[steel escarp]

yes, even if no new information is added, you'll hear more

it has nothing to do with how trained of a listener you are

[elder thistle]

you're conflating masking per human hearing limits with the performance of a speaker/headphone

obviously masking to some degree has control on what we can pay attention to in an audio signal

[steel escarp]

if you reduce masking, then you perceive more detail, no?

[elder thistle]

that's how mp3 can remove so much information yet sound like it removed nothing

masking can't be reduced

[steel escarp]

but also high frequencies carry transient cues

[elder thistle]

at least not tonally

[steel escarp]

it can by adding more treble, you'll shift the balance

making from the mid-bass and lower mids

[elder thistle]

masking in that way is a function of our ears

by boosting the treble, details that weren't boosted are now masked

[steel escarp]

I am loosing too many brain cells argueing in here

[elder thistle]

this is something that plagues bass-light headphones when mixing bass

[steel escarp]

enjoy the static hiss from when ur not playing any music with your T5V in nearfield

unless ur too deaf to be bothered by it

[elder thistle]

I'm just trying to be objective here

I don't have a major stake in the success of the t5v's or lackthereof

noisy amps in general is a trend that's gotten too comfortable in many modern audio products

I'm just saying the t5v's tweeter is a fundamental floor where one sound cannot cover up another's details

at least from the speaker perspective, not the brain perspective

[steel escarp]

the tweeter's off axis performance is complete dogwater

it doesn't matter if its only good in one specific spot

[elder thistle]

yes

in fact I'd probably get 305p's if I had to do it over, at least from a practical standpoint

but just from an audiophile standpoint, the t5v is a unique reference with how unobstructed each sound is in a full mix

[steel escarp]

its rear ported too

like nobody should be getting this speaker when Kali LP6 V2 exists

[elder thistle]

someone who wants unobstructed sounds in a full mix should look at the t5v

[hardy jungle]

looking at these while my personal frankensteined setup is dysfunctionsl due to a faulty power supply

[steel escarp]

have you a/b tested the t5v?

against anything else with a ribbon tweeter

[elder thistle]

just silk domes and a bunch of headphones

[hardy jungle]

do yall know bewith

[hardy jungle]

they’re a car audio company

[vapid plank]

I remember starting my journey with 500 a pair speakers

And finds off Marketplace

[gaunt ginkgo]

Hello does anyone know if these speaker outputs on the Vocaster one is good?
And which speakers would you recommend. Preferably not that expensive.

[lean grove]

Hard to say without having one or seeing measurements. They're probably not the worst.

And for speakers take a look at the Adam d3v.

[shadow stag]

hey umm any suggestions for a condenser mic that doesn't require a audio interface?

the fifine am8 is dynamic

[shadow stag]

as for local prices, turns out people sell it at a much higher price on mercadolibre, intl shipping or amazon is cheaper

[shadow stag]

any clue about how decent is this one? https://samsontech.com/products/microphones/usb-microphones/meteormic/

[steel escarp]

just watch some guys on youtube talking into the microphone and see which one you like most

[shadow stag]

im hard at hearing tho

[steel escarp]

Podcastage is a very good channel

[steel escarp]

then why do you care

[shadow stag]

for others quality and music production

[steel escarp]

what kinda music production? are you gonna record instruments

is your room treated

just vocals?

[shadow stag]

vox mainly, untreated

just a normal apartment room with a table and a bed and a music keyboard

[steel escarp]

so its mainly your voice?

[shadow stag]

i guess, yeah mainly for vocals

either music recording or voice training

[steel escarp]

what is the budget

[shadow stag]

also i just remembered i have a issue with recording next to speakers, the audio bleeds into the mic

[steel escarp]

yeah... dont use speakers near a mic, whilst also using the mic

that's kinda not ideal

[shadow stag]

preferably cheap but decent options, particularly good ratio of price-quality

even with echo cancellation audio bleeds in

[steel escarp]

yeah that's about to be expected

not even any pickup pattern is gonna eliminate that

[shadow stag]

even dynamics facing away from the speakers?

[steel escarp]

yes

[shadow stag]

at least it can be reduced, right?

[steel escarp]

I guess

[shadow stag]

hm then, maybe not worth getting a mic for the pc and potentially macbook pro too?

[steel escarp]

I mean, if you just need something functional

[shadow stag]

would a directional/shotgun mic help the issue the most?

[steel escarp]

in recording studios they use headphones/earbuds when recording

[hexed frost]

wouldn't a directional/shotgun mic do it?
wouldn't a directional/shotgun mic help it?
wouldn't a directional/shotgun mic help it the most?
would a directional/shotgun mic help it the most?
would a directional/shotgun mic help the issue the most?

my brother figure it out

[shadow stag]

i use over the ear hearing aids that are pretty much incompatible with headphones let alone earbuds

[steel escarp]

how can you even check the quality of your work if hearing aids compress the sound

[shadow stag]

but i guess i can use a bluetooth dongle and connect my HAs through that but they're a bit crappy sounding, worse than spdif

[shadow stag]

good question

[steel escarp]

bro fr just get a compressor, hook headphones up to that, and u got yourself hearing aid headphones

tho I guess hearing aids don't compress all of the sound

[shadow stag]

so i should use calibrated/boosted headphones so i can hear without the hearing aids?

[steel escarp]

tbh idk if there is anything that lets you safely do that

since hearing aids are limited to a certain level to not further increase hearing damage

[shadow stag]

i can't hear stereo because my loss is severe from the left and deep from the right

[steel escarp]

welp, my ears are too chopped right now to pick out a good mic from my sinus being irritated

something that is directional probably your best bet, and then you pray that the noise rejection via software does the rest

[shadow stag]

sorry to hear that

[lost wigeon]

Doesn’t need to be anything too fancy. Just have a pair of regular headphones you can use for tracking and use ur usual setup when writing and getting ideas. When in doubt I always recommend the rode nt1 for a clean mic in a mid-low range budget as it can be had for a pretty decent price used. Or a large diaphragm condenser from neat if they’re in stock. I still keep my worker bee on standby to this day

[steel escarp]

NT1 is neat, but doesnt match his noise rejection requirement...

[lost wigeon]

Was the issue the speakers or the recording space? My idea was that they’d be wearing headphones while recording rather than the speakers. I will have to scroll up further in the thread to get full context 🫡

[steel escarp]

Nope they would use speaker

[lost wigeon]

I see they’re also looking for a usb mic my fault

[steel escarp]

Nt1 is usb

[lost wigeon]

Only the latest 5th gen iirc and I think that’s out of their budget since they’re suggested the am8

[steel escarp]

Wait how did the podcastage guy have an usb-c on that thing

Ah I see

[lost wigeon]

Podcastage my goat

[lone flame]

mic doesnt really matter when it comes to noise reduction

best way to get rid of noise is. getting rid of the source of the noise

[steel escarp]

He cant

Assessed his situation and he needs to use speakers

[lone flame]

best way to work with it is. "kiss" the mic so you can knobt the gain lower

and he can lower the speakers too

in volume

[celest galleon]

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Creative-Sound-Blaster-Resolution-External/dp/B073KTPNDR?crid=2H0SU7TYZYDOS&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.ok4snai16WMjZCVRLY4rSpt18ii9yYZ6tynG1aNdPs7GjHj071QN20LucGBJIEps.7lHUlk7kiT-ORaVTtwcYhjCRH7Pm9KO0JtZ0yr1vLSM&dib_tag=se&keywords=dac&qid=1769769025&sprefix=dac%2Caps%2C109&sr=8-19&xpid=a5jAWtWUAtt5K

is this DAC fine for IEMs?

i dont have a USB-C port so im looking for sth cheap, that uses somethign else than USB-C and ideally it would have 3ft/1m long cable, else i need an extension cable as well

[lone flame]

i would go for an Apple Dongle with an USB C to USB A adapter

is cheaper

[celest galleon]

i mean i already have a jcally jm6 pro (and when it arrived i remembered my USB-C port on my case isnt functional)# so i could just get a USB-C to A cable and plug the jm6 into the extensio ncable, right?

[lone flame]

yes

works perfectly fine cuz its digital

[celest galleon]

niiice, thank you so much^^

[lone flame]

no problem 😄

[sleek lily]

I have a question, but I want to preface this by making my stance clear, since this is a contentious topic in the hobby. From a strict mathematical and physical perspective, real loudspeakers, or any transducer interacting with air, are not guaranteed to be minimum phase once all mechanisms and paths are included.

Given that, the common assumption of minimum phase behavior must be a modeling simplification. This is not inherently wrong to do, but it raises an important question about where the standard is drawn. Specifically, what determines when that simplification is valid? Which zeros can be safely ignored, which cannot, and on what basis is that decision made, whether it be time scale, frequency range, or perceptual relevance?

[shadow stag]

as i said im unable to use headphones properly
are those cheap but quality?

[shadow stag]

bought the creative pebbles pro, around 100 usd

[zenith pawn]

I believe minimum phase as a simplification is usually used for headphones where the reflections are indeed extremely negligible, I haven't really heard it proclaimed for speakers in a real room. With speakers, since usually people benchmark/measure them in an anechoic chamber, my understanding is its fine for them to be considered minimum phase. In a room, they're very obviously not and that shouldn't be a contention

RTINGS on headphones: https://www.rtings.com/headphones/learn/research/csd-testing
REW on rooms not being minimum phase: https://www.roomeqwizard.com/help/help_en-GB/html/minimumphase.html

[sleek lily]

I guess I'm kinda curious on how people decide on what matters or not in audio. Because obviously, if we use a strict definition, the second that driver moves and the air compresses and pushes against it, it's now a non minimum phase device.

The reason I am curious, is because the amount the definition is stretched also plays a role in where it's applicable. Obviously, if the definition is stretched enough, it can't be used in ways that require the full and strict definition, because by that, they are actually non minimum phase. I've seen people confused by this and try using the simplification like it's a fact that always applies and somehow cancels out behaviors that might make the definition not apply.

But this also might not matter because, more often than not, people just don't know what minimum phase means. I've seen it used to justify claims that would have 0 to do with the term, even if the strict definition applied, and I've seen people define it in ways that have nothing to do with what minimum phase means.

[zenith pawn]

I gotta go but I'll be back in a bit and take a look for some articles

[white gate]

Speakers are almost never going to be minimum phase from the simple fact they have multiple drivers and crossovers.

Headphones are almost always minimum phase so long as they're not some weird multi-driver design with crossovers. This can be confirmed just by measuring a headphone and plotting excess phase or group delay (delta between expected minimum phase response for the measured FR and the actual measured phase response):

[sleek lily]

By a strict definition, both aren't. My question is, what zeros do we choose to ignore and why to make it fit by a less strict and simplified model.

Because even ignoring the air behind the driver, the diaphragm, and all else, just modeling the air it's pushing Infront would result in a force pushing against the driver at the start

[zenith pawn]

it's the same force though, and it's not delayed, how does it work?

it's not like two different forces as inputs

but are you just asking what criteria you use to consider it minimum phase practically?

[steel escarp]

where do you think minimum phase assumption is used where it shouldn't be in modeling

the only non minimum phase things you could have if you take the room out of the equation is stuff like port delays/enclosure reflections, maybe baffle edge refraction if you're stretching it

I think the question you should have is about what you are trying to model

[haughty girder]

proximity effect might be worse than the echo

[haughty girder]

if you're looking for noise rejection, get a shotgun mic.

Shotguns are special since they use tubes that flip the phase on off-axis sounds which cancels more of the background noise

otherwise, stuff like NT1, SM58, etc. all won't matter for "noise rejection" since the myth about noise rejection is just mic technique.

[lone flame]

fixxable

[lone flame]

well.
expensive af

[haughty girder]

AT875R is like 200 bucks

that's not bad

[white gate]

Well by strict definition literally nothing is, even a cable. Just depends on what frequencies and zeros you choose to look at or ignore.

But when it comes to headphones, the force of the air is part of a minimum phase system, as shown by the example plot above.

The force of the air is not 'only' there at the start

[zenith pawn]

aw man user apps are disabled in this channel

[fervent willow]

Money well spent

[viscid tangle]

Just got my odyssey 2 iems so far they sound awful compared to my AirPods pro 2 and sundara(expected). There’s not much bass, no sound staging just sounds overall thin

Should I roll the dice on getting the astrals? Seen the reviews for them and seems like they aren’t that much difference

I did only get one unit might just be a bad pair

[rich canopy]

airpods pro 2 are hard to beat

also huge benefit of having all that software and transparency mode.

I use to turn off transparency and anc back then when you could do it, I would notice the audio was significantly worse

[vapid plank]

Air Pods Pro are my go to for work

Wired Sennheiser for Home

And my main Hifi

[tawdry gale]

astral is thinner than odyssey 2

[viscid tangle]

Learning that now, if only they were decent for gaming

I guess I’ll just stick with my hifiman sundaras

Or maybe upgrade to some sennheiser

Trying out some eq, it’s such a cursed graph but the audio is sounding better with the odyssey 2 Iems

[tawdry gale]

do u have seal with ur odyssey 2?

[sleek lily]

That would still make it non minimum phase, and it would create a different amount of responding force due to inertia throughout the motion, but, the assumption is that this is ignored for a less strict definition. My question is just what are the cutoffs for what can be ignored and can't for how people use it in audio.

[viscid tangle]

Seems like I'm not the only one too Stated everything I dislike about the odyssey 2 in one paragraph

[zenith pawn]

what's wrong with them for gaming

[viscid tangle]

Stated everything I dislike about the odyssey 2 in one paragraph

[cunning mason]

ooh i use my philips 2.1 channel speaker system with rca cables to connect to my pc

[solid dirge]

Reread the reply

And the thread before that

[lone flame]

uhhhh

your EQ has some flaws

[lost wigeon]

Latency

[viscid tangle]

was a joke eq im just gonna return these iems

did a more serious eq on the odyssey 2

they still don't sound that good

[lone flame]

uhhhh

did you turned on 48V Phantom?

[shadow stag]

any that doesnt require a audio interface and doesnt break the bank?

[tawdry gale]

have u tried the eq I made for ur app2?

[silk python]

Define ‚doesn’t break the bank‘

And what’s the use case

[shadow stag]

reasonable prices, < ~100 usd, im from argentina

[shadow stag]

voice training, music production, general use

[silk python]

Hmm cause if rlly actually need an interface for that then no?

[shadow stag]

not sure, for a start there are usb options, right?

should i invest in a audio interface and then a mic?

[silk python]

Not for shotgun mics no

[shadow stag]

hm i see