audio-tech

[wispy gate]

Too bright? That was my main concern

[steel escarp]

especially when some part of a song is mixed to sound a bit gross/raw/dirty on purpose

[steel escarp]

oh yeah I EQ them

the scale of things is insane tho

its like wearing speakers

[queen ether]

500 for 2. I don't know the range of where the diminishing return is tho

[steel escarp]

sounds feel like they are half a meter away from you

sometimes a meter

[wispy gate]

Sick, when the whole lineup is wifi enabled ill probably be shopping for one

[steel escarp]

I'd never get something wireless that you can't replace the batteries on

that is so expensive

[lean grove]

Ilouds aren't gonna fit underneath there

[wispy gate]

At the rate of improvement, i am ok with buying a brand new pair after 6 years that is an upgrade. Selling my dacs/amps is enough for me to buy 3

[steel escarp]

I wouldn't recommend HE1000 Unveiled as main headphone tbh, especially not if you can't EQ

[lean grove]

$500 is a good sweet spot. There's just not that many speakers that are that compact.

Mackie cr2-x and creative pebbles are the only ones I can think of that are that small.

[steel escarp]

HE1000 Unveiled is what I wanted HD800s to be

[wispy gate]

They're bigger than I thought

[fair pawn]

I'm excited to try the ADX7K

[queen ether]

Can't I rotate them 90 degrees? I have about 13 cm of hight between my desk and monitor

[fair pawn]

Finally a well received good Audio technica since years ago

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/water-spray-stop-sprinkle-water-gif-1119110818416040479

[wispy gate]

No they wont sound good

[lean grove]

Technically you can, but you're gonna be messing with the speakers

[wispy gate]

Might need a soundbar

[lean grove]

The reflection from the desk is gonna make them sound way worse

Gonna make your $300 speakers sound like $50 speakers.

[queen ether]

Got it, that will make the selection of speakers a lot smaller

[lean grove]

Oh wait there's one more

https://www.kaliaudio.com/in-unf

[queen ether]

Tres interesting formfactor

[lean grove]

This one might be a tight squeeze under the monitor

[wispy gate]

Common issue with multi monitor setups unfortunately, speaker stands help a lot

[lean grove]

The speakers are about 16 cm

The subwoofer they have is meant to be used as a monitor riser so maybe that'll fix it?

Oh wait nevermind you got a desk mount

[queen ether]

The problem with that is that I have a standing desk that already is a tight squeeze with my bookshelf

Can the sub be placed on the ground????

[lean grove]

No. The sub has a pretty high crossover point of 280hz so you really should put it in between the two speakers

[queen ether]

That is going to be challenging

[lean grove]

Maybe not these then...

Yeah like i said. There's just not a lot of compact speakers out there.

[gilded current]

theres also adam d3v

[lean grove]

Too tall

[queen ether]

I am considering making space for the right one between my pc and monitor. The left one will still be iffy tho

[wispy gate]

hate to say this, but you might have to go soundbar

[north void]

Mmm

Beautiful

[broken grotto]

you have voicemail

[north void]

Ya

I have to set it up but I dont care that much

Only spam callers leave me voicemails

[queen ether]

I think I can fit these moving my monitors a bit, 165 mm in height.
https://www.thomann.nl/auratone_5c_super_sound_black.htm

[wispy gate]

do you have a receiver?

these ones are passive, you'll need something to power them

and something to connect your PC to the receiver

[dull rover]

How good is SSC? I got the Buds FE but my main phone is a Motorola, I'm wondering if its worth pulling my Samsung out

I've just been using AAC

[queen ether]

I have seen active models that are new. I wouldn't be opposed to having a receiver

But with receiver and all. Are these speakers meant to be just the two of them or in bigger speaker setup

[north void]

Its decent. Its nothing compared to wired, but its much better than aac or sbc

[dull rover]

AAC i can deal with but SBC is so bad, I'll probably pull out my samsung and see how big of a difference there is

[balmy shoal]

Hey guys, just wanted to hear opinions on the Sennheiser momentum 4s, how do they sound like compared to XM3?

been doing some self research, seems like people say its a good upgrade

[tawdry gale]

I would rather recommend hdb 630

[balmy shoal]

ahh i see, its outta my budget range

so far from my own research, it seems the Momentum 4's would be a good choice

also heard of the Bowers & Wilkins Px8

[tawdry gale]

as an anc headphone, its alright

[tawdry gale]

that is terrible

[balmy shoal]

oh and i do wanna point out that i dont really use ANC of ambient mode on these headphones, i only toggle them when needed like when i have people over or if i let my pets roam around freely because of noise

on a normal day, i just have the xm3 powered on and used in wired mode into my computer

[icy salmon]

has anyone compared the momentum 4s to the Sony XM6?

[balmy shoal]

As someone who went from XM3 to XM6, i hated the XM6, the siblance

[tawdry gale]

if we are comparing m4 to all headphones, its very mediocre

but within the anc headphone space, its alright

[balmy shoal]

Hmm, what if we're comparing the XM4s to it?

[tawdry gale]

xm4 belongs in the depths of hell

[icy salmon]

i disliked the xm6 at first but my mind was changed after a week

[wispy gate]

the px8 is just bad, the px7 s3 is much better

[balmy shoal]

Thats good to see, i liked the audio when i use it on my phone, but personally i found the headphone to be a little too uncomfortable, it was unusable for me in competitive shooters because it felt like all the sounds came in at once and the siblance hurt my ears alot especially when flashbangs or gunshots come out

[wispy gate]

you mentioned that you had some discomfort with the sony's? the sennheiser cups are pretty shallow as well

[balmy shoal]

the xm3 and xm4's earcups are fine, mainly the XM6s were what i had issues with

[icy salmon]

i see. i wouldnt use them for gaming anyway, they are mainly my public headphones

ive used the same headphones for gaming for like 7 years

[balmy shoal]

Damn! thats a pretty long time, what headphones u use for gaming?

[icy salmon]

nothing crazy. Phillips SHP 9500s, ive just liked the feeling and the sound of them

[tawdry gale]

wtf is this shit

[north void]

Sweet

[tawdry gale]

yeah sure get momentum 4

[dull rover]

Can SSC handle lossless formats or no? I know there is some bt codecs that claim to, though I am still skeptical

[wispy gate]

it does yea

[wispy gate]

compare it to the sony's. Man wants a big bass shelf, that's the benchmark

[north void]

It can handle up to 32bit-float 96khz apparently, but compared to an analog dsp its slightly lower than the equivalent value on that. But its still much better than AAC by a long shot ok android

Only certain Samsung phones and certain galaxy buds can handle that audio quality too

Not to mention you need an audio provider that provides songs with that quality

[livid ruin]

we love when audio sounds under water

and also deafening for some people

[dull rover]

My S8 apparently does and so do the Galaxy Buds FE

cursed combo but it seems to work well

I use the S8 as a media player anyways so its nice that it supports it

[lost onyx]

That looks awful. What’s up with everyone wanting so much damn bass. It just sounds awful… especially since it’s usually not even precise for these types of headphones

[zenith pawn]

feels funny

[elder thistle]

ok but where are the oats

how do we know what kind of instrument separation and resolution this thing has

maybe it is a god in the clothing of an evil fr

[blazing minnow]

Anyone else using an AV receiver with their computer for surround sound and it acts as a nonexistent monitor and there’s no way around it? 🙁

[broken grotto]

you're telling me the HDMI plug you're using acts like it's HDMI?

EDID override.

good luck lol

[blazing minnow]

Yeah and I get use pass through because it doesn’t like gsync

Ooo I’ll play with this EDID stuff

[broken grotto]

good luck

[wispy gate]

I used rca input

[balmy shoal]

Hey guys, does the momentum 4's eq settings save to the headphone itself? (like if i were to plug these into my computer while they're powered on would the EQ apply?) because for sony XM headphones the EQ doesnt apply for this scenario

also, i saw the " HDB 630 "

[wispy gate]

I think so

If you're looking for bass look elsewhere tbh, hdb 630 is bass shy

Even with EQ it cant handle much

[balmy shoal]

I see, i just got to know of the 630's, im leaning more towards the momentum 4's

been watching reviews and reading reddit posts on it

Even watched a video comparing it to the XM6, the guy said something about the XM6's siblance and how the momentum 4's dont have that issue etc

[wispy gate]

Yea its a lot more toned down, sony has a weird artificial quality to the voices

For the price of the hdb630 Id probably recommend the maxwell, if you're not using it outside

Can be wireless with low latency, handles a ton of bass if you want

[balmy shoal]

Yeah, im definitely using these wired at home

for outside, i have a set of airpods pro 2

enabling the "spatial audio (fixed)" makes the airpods pro 2 sound good to me, lots of bass

But yeah, right now im pretty much eyeing the M4's ill most likely find a audio store to try them out before making a decision, its a pretty good time to buy aswell given its sale period

[wispy gate]

Still think the maxwell is going to be closest to what you're looking for, but the momentums are pretty solid

[balmy shoal]

Maxwell audeze, right

[wispy gate]

Yup

[balmy shoal]

alright ill give those a listen aswell

[wispy gate]

Look for the ps4/pc version, its cheaper 🙂

[blazing minnow]

I could do that but I’d have to use my motherboard for audio instead of my GPU. I don’t think it makes a difference though 🤔

SPDIF would be lower quality than HDMI, but it’s not like I listen to uncompressed stuff anyway + I wouldn’t have the issues that come with a fake monitor 🤔🤔

[wispy gate]

Can use a cheap dongle or dac amp instead from the usb port

The fake monitor thing is awful it limits your fps, at least mine does its only hdmi 2.0

Some cant do hdr passthrough

[blazing minnow]

Alright y’all have convinced me. Ordering an optical cable to go from motherboard to AVR for now

[steel escarp]

Audeze Maxwell is not a good headphone

I recommened it to someone after seeing all the praise from youtube reviewers, they hated it and gave them away

then I got one myself

after a week I sold it

[tawdry gale]

I like maxwell

[steel escarp]

idk if they changed the sound with a software update in the meanwhile

[livid ruin]

maxwell is ok

it’s a 2.4ghz headphone

not many headphone makers give 2.4ghz to headphones

[zenith pawn]

grey the type of guy to hate on audeze Maxwell and then recommend a keychron keyboard

[wispy gate]

Ok but why?

[steel escarp]

they had a massive treble dip that EQ couldn't fix

not via their software

[livid ruin]

there are little to no headphones that follow preferred targets and are 2.4ghz, audeze maxwell is one of the better ones

[steel escarp]

I own the keyboard I sent him

[zenith pawn]

I don't doubt it

[livid ruin]

thought maxwells were mint

btw ironically logitech makes fine 2.4ghz headphones

just don’t look at their build quality

[steel escarp]

the astro a50x is unironically not bad

[wispy gate]

Again, everyone just stating their own personal pref ignoring the person asking pref

Not very helpful

[steel escarp]

the Sennheiser HD620 for 250 are a good option

especially if you crank the bass via EQ

[wispy gate]

Not hard to look at the curve of the sony headphone they clearly prefer, and recommend something similar instead of telling them what you like

So you suggest they change their budget completely and buy the closed headphone with the least bass 😅

[steel escarp]

its not about how the bass shows up on the graph

but about how it hits you

Fiio FT1 bass is rediculous on the graph, but you dont feel it

[wispy gate]

The 630 hdb does not hit anyone with bass, nor is it capable of a large shelf

[steel escarp]

I said 620

[wispy gate]

Literally any sennheiser is not for bassheads

[wispy gate]

Only reason I suggested momentums because they have the most bass of any senn

[umbral charm]

Looking to buy a new mic, currently using blue snowball ice, had for a few years but noticing that even with the mic slightly to the right of me, or if Im just on the side of my desk it sounds like Im really far away. Also picks up a fair bit of background noise which is annoying.

Id like something that sounds clear, even if Im not directly infront of it, like a foot to the side or if my mic is just slightly out of the way.. And something that doesnt pick up (or as much) background noise would be huge.

Then a mic arm as well would be sweet, the one Ive got now is a bit shit and cheap . Squeeks when I move it
Budget maybe £40-£60 (GBP)

[balmy shoal]

hey friends, is this a good price for the momentum 4's?

This is in singapore dollars (roughly 229 USD)

[steel escarp]

They go for 170 eur here

About 200 USD

[balmy shoal]

ah, so like a $40 diff

[lone flame]

What Firmware was on?

[steel escarp]

I have no clue

[lone flame]

see

.u cannot even tell what firmware it was

[steel escarp]

I had it in june last year

[lone flame]

ok it was .63

[steel escarp]

the artifacts when playing/pausing music via the 2.4gHz dongle were so annoying tho

I was on the version that supposedly fixed it

[lone flame]

when i tested them. nearly no problems

worked VERY well on my head

[wispy gate]

Prolly best to get a mic arm first and put it in front of you, if that doesnt fix it maybe look at the yeti it's decent

[umbral charm]

I have a mic arm rn and it's infront of my all the time, just a little short though. Then if I move slightly away it just sounds like Im 20 feet away

[wispy gate]

is it for gaming? could get a lav mic

clip it on your shirt no more issues

or use one of these, stick it to your headphones

https://www.amazon.ca/Antlion-Audio-Attachable-Noise-Cancelling-PlayStation/dp/B0D4RGKMGR/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=TLR3S7L493VS&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.XyCAckUiFpQuUQCgepLQlqimEOr0RAevmXxjKN5ILcb6M7V_uA0TstiAN337lW1HtJ-1frs4F85ZYvBFh_f2At0YHqdHJG5gZhLpSCXSej5lsXH68LqrppZEXIqn5I5afyIxcVTQYgQ2aHsOK7kfcq8LNJQ0x6sk_AvuYuFESbrg-ruTVMb3f9OLH4sshaEp-fWV16QaEvaDeDwy2U8xwaW1sA978DKeeLiAy2Jq7XVFr2cc3Is5d2OtpLeRbsUs4myAHSRqR1oG0zILqHZjyvz9CAvDAia05FV5EUbsQgY.9_Ku1UbVGUP_lyXlppWceqdCk3Xz9SIVlC55FIq0axc&dib_tag=se&keywords=antlion+modmic&qid=1764353257&sprefix=antlion+modmic%2Caps%2C150&sr=8-2-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1

[wintry mirage]

is there anything i can do about the fact my subwoofer makes my house sound like its about to collapse

ive put it on some foam it helped a bit but on super low notes it really flexes the whole room

[kind hawk]

Is this a good setup

[steel escarp]

I'd take a warm audio wa47-jr with a Motu M2 over the SM7B and Cloudlifter
WA47-JR sounds a lot more natural

also that microphone arm is hella overpriced, its just an arm, you don't need to get one that costs over a 100, a 50 euros one would do

[wispy gate]

someone's starting a podcast 😆

[lean grove]

No.

$400 on the sm7b with an extra $100 on the cloud lifter is just unnecessary

[zenith pawn]

blue yeti 🥀

[kind hawk]

why is this the most recommended setup

[zenith pawn]

cargo culting

[lean grove]

because its a meme. The SM7b is "legendary" but its really just not a great mic for most people. Its super inefficient so people wind up having to get cloud lifters to bring the gain up to where a normal mic would be. and then a lot of people also wind up having to EQ it to get it to sound right because otherwise its a really dark microphone

get a Sm58 instead

or heck, if you wanna save even more money and literally all you're doing is talkign to people, get a behringer xm8500

[warm scarab]

by who lol

sm7b is a joke

[wispy gate]

Every podcaster uses a shure microphone so it became popular lol. If you buy an XLR mic you need an interface

[gilded quiver]

Hi all. Anyone have a suggestion for a home theater upgrade for under 1k? Looking to see if there any decent last minute Black Friday deals.

[wheat moss]

You asked the exact same thing two weeks ago

[umbral charm]

Had a look around for an arm / mic. I've come across the InnoGear Mic Boom Arm (https://www.amazon.com/InnoGear-Microphone-Management-Channels-Detachable/dp/B0BJV5S52N) And MAONO PD200X (https://www.amazon.co.uk/MAONO-Microphone-Streaming-Voice-Over-Control-PD200X-Black/dp/B0BSFG4SCW)

Thoughts on these? The mic is £52 and mic arm is £28

[steel escarp]

a pair of kali audio lp-6 v2 (400 EUR) + a miniDSP 2x4 HD for room correction (300 EUR), together with a MiniDSP UMIK-1 mic for room calibration (110 EUR)

you can always get a subwoofer later

the miniDSP device also allows you to set a crossover

[supple robin]

What do you plan on using the microphone for

Also I like the fifine AM8 and it comes with a good stand and fifine also sells a boom arm which should be better than the innogear one

I don’t know the us pricing though only UK

Ah nvm you want uk pricing but the first link is US

[umbral charm]

Yeah Im UK so that's fine, though I saw a video that is against the AM8 cos of buzzing..

Im just gonna be using it for day to day gaming, then if I'm collaborating on a project then stuff like that too.

[supple robin]

Buzzing I’ve not experience

[umbral charm]

Ah yeah grabbed the arms from a yt vid, didnt realise they were us links

[supple robin]

At least via USB

And the stand on the am8 for a microphone stand that comes with it is also usable

[umbral charm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7za1FkG-V6c 6:35

[supple robin]

He likely got a defective mic

If it has any buzzing just return it it’s amazon

Wait hang on the av6 maybe better

[umbral charm]

Yeah the av6 was reviewed as well and he spoke decently of it

[supple robin]

Honestly the am8 will do you fine, don’t over think it. Either one you go for should be fine.

Even if you go for that original maono microphone

[umbral charm]

U able to link the one that comes with the mic arm too?

[supple robin]

I don’t got one that comes with a mic arm sorry

I’d also ask in the podcastage discord too

[umbral charm]

Ah thats my bad then, didnt understand what you mean till now lol

[haughty girder]

buying a cloudlifter for any other reason than to keep a current mixer setup is stupid

[livid ruin]

wher measurements

[supple robin]

I had a friend who bought an SM7B and returned it upon finding out he needs a cloudlifter haha

[umbral charm]

huh?

[livid ruin]

you can test a mic on how well it performs other than video sound tests

shown on graphs

also it’s sus he turned off comments

also that reviewer has a history of recommending whatever he gets paid from affiliate links

[umbral charm]

Yeah I did think no comments was weird.. However that's why I'm not just taking 1 opinion 😄

Have no idea how tell what to buy by reading graphs though

[livid ruin]

i have no idea what to buy as of mics

my recs may be outdated such as tonor, fifine, etc…

well, atleast i wouldn’t pay more than $25 for them

[livid ruin]

probably preferably what sounds most to reality

so, usually if something follows a target curve that’s considered neutral

[hard fjord]

I currently have a 4 year old sudotack microphone from amazon and it keeps maxing out and going silent when i laugh at all for some reason, I'm looking to buy a new microphone because of it and I'm not sure what i need to look for to make sure it doesnt max out when im loud and go silent

my budget is like $50

[zenith pawn]

quite a technical way to say flat

[warm scarab]

lower gain

[balmy shoal]

Holy smokes! just got my sennheiser momentum 4's and i plugged them into my pc and boy they sound crazy good! (im coming from a XM3)

it has just the right bass i need and the sounds have better clarity, i dont even need to use my logitech g pro x DAC with it! it sounds better

Which now begs the question, do i use the 2.5mm to 3.5mm cable or the USB-C cable for audio?

I will be using these for competitive gaming aswell, so wireless is out of the picture ;D

[woven grotto]

hey jo, my Pc is starting to die 🙁 and cause i needed one anyways, i got myself a Laptop, that i am pretty okay with. The laptop does perform way better then my pc and as stated, the pc is on the edge of existence. So i started to migrate all my fl studio files over. Well there i runned into a problem. My Serum. Did i crack it back then, mby. Was it super easy back then, could be. But nowadays its crazy to find any file. I mean i would buy it for a reasonabel prize, but i cant, they took it down and only sell there overprized serum 2. All i want is a serum 1.36b8 and i cant seem to find it. So if anyone has a working link for Serum i would be so so glad. sorry if my question is out of place, i just got the tip from a homie to ask here.

[nova wagon]

I'm leaning usbc

[balmy shoal]

How come this sounds different from how the audio sounds like from my iphone on bluetooth though? 🤔

and yes, i've disabled the mic because that makes the audio choppy and all

[nova wagon]

because you are still limited by the bluetooth data bandwidth

[balmy shoal]

i actually mean it sounds better on bluetooth on my phone!

I ended up fixing it, it was because i didnt use custom transparency mode/ANC mode, using it powered on without the ANC itself makes the audio a little watered down

This is awesome, thanks for everyone's help around here, especially @wispy gate

[warm scarab]

because wireless uses dsp

wired doesn't, maybe usb wired does

[broken grotto]

My guess is they all do

I doubt the audio cable is direct passthrough

You can confirm this by not powering the headphones on and trying to use them wired with a 3.5mm cable.

USB must use dsp, as it is serial..

This is why dankpod's take on the wireless cans having a cable for when they battery fails is fallacy

Most do not have true bypass.

In fact it might even sound worse using 3.5mm because it gets converted twice

[warm scarab]

then your headphone wouldn't work with 3.5 when off

[elder thistle]

these are the consequences of using serum in extended trial mode. when something breaks, you'll no longer have it

[woven grotto]

Just got it back thou

[elder thistle]

well in the future, use a freeware synth like vital and create a similar preset

fl will allow you to use existing midi in a nonworking serum instance and put it in a different instrument

[elder thistle]

you've got an opportunity here to learn how easy it would've been to lose the tools that you rely on

it's really amazing what free vst's like vital are capable of these days. you won't miss out on a lot by migrating to them

also tell your friend to stop referring people to the ltt server

that's a huge liability and he will be destroyed if ever identified here

[broken grotto]

that's what I said lol

[warm scarab]

im sleepy man

[broken grotto]

many times the manufacturers make the headphones use DSP even though it's a 3.5mm jack so you could still use ANC/transparency/whatever else they might want you have.

if you had a true bypass, nothing would work because the 3.5mm jack is bypassing any of the DSP, and thus you'd have angry consumers mad that their ANC doesn't work when using analog input.

the focal bathys are like this

[pallid linden]

are the Hifiman Ananda (Stealth) a good option when looking for some entry/mid level planar headphones?

[mild phoenix]

so i need an audio interface that can run my hd600, it also needs a port for a xlr. I really want the same form factor as the scarlet 2i2 so i can keep it under the desk on the edge. SO if anyone has any suggjestions, i whould be happy

my scarlett isnt a year old and audio sometimes cuts out or become all robotic

i did a reinstall of my audio driver, if that fixes it, i dont need one. But it whould be great to have one writen down when i decide to get a new one

[pallid linden]

could something from Behringer U-Phoria line fit your needs? like Behringer U-Phoria UMC22?

[mild phoenix]

could it power a sm7b and hd600 no problem?

[lean grove]

hd600 yes sm7b no

[mild phoenix]

Well i do have a cloudlifter. So i think im fine

[lean grove]

should be fine yeah

umc22 is like, super cheap

[mild phoenix]

I see that..

How is it compared to the Scarlett 2i2 4th gen?

[pallid linden]

less input ports it seems

[lean grove]

probably worse in every way

[mild phoenix]

well the price of the one you guys said is nice and all. but i do want something nice. premium feel

[pallid linden]

how about this: https://www.thomann.de/fi/esi_neva_otg.htm

[mild phoenix]

hmm, white is actually perfect for my setup

[lean grove]

take a look at the Motu m2 or the topping E2x2

the Motu has a really good input for the mic, the topping has a really good output for the headphones

[mild phoenix]

what kinda ohm headphone could it handle, just for s- and giggles

[lean grove]

one bajillion

shvifty shveven million

[mild phoenix]

well, with my scarlett 2i2 3rd gen i need alittle over half

[lean grove]

(impedance doesnt really mean anything)

(and volume position doesnt tell you anything either)

all options should be more than enough for the hd600

[mild phoenix]

well what if i get something like a Beyerdynamic T1?

[lean grove]

probably still fine

they're gonna be a smidge harder to power than the hd600

[mild phoenix]

well i like the look of the moto so

[lean grove]

still plenty assuming you're not doing anything with like, 20-30 db of dynamic range with EQ on top of that

[mild phoenix]

Seems like it might just be a switch. Idk if i need to make new holders

[crude axle]

anyone got any good headphone recs? looking to get something nicer and not gaming. not like studio quality but something nice in between that's wired

[lean grove]

Yeah this is the one I use. Its very good.
https://auribusacoustics.com/products/sierra-open-monitor

[crude axle]

okay these are definitely "nicer" but I think they're a bit too nice for my budget 😅

[lean grove]

Oh. what's your budget?

[crude axle]

id probably say a 10th of that, perhaps 150 dollars max (I'm GBP)

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thinking-gif-9694222

Fiio ft1 is the standard recommendation in that region right now.

ATH R50x would be worth looking at as well.

[balmy shoal]

Hey guys, my momentum 4's have a slightly better sound to me when its used in ambient or ANC mode, if i turn it off and just listen to it (while the headphone is powered on of course!) it doesnt kick as great

How do i make them sound as good like how they are in ambient/anc mode?

[wispy gate]

Happy to help 👍!

[zenith pawn]

TREAT?!

there's some meme of a guy acting like a dog and reacting to the word treat

[wispy gate]

it looks pretty decent already, lots of furniture. Putting a rug on the opposite wall is probably the easiest way to fix reflections

yup, way better than sound panels

double or triple layer blackout curtains will help a lot, also it's prolly best if people can't see out your window in videos

beware, it gets super warm

if you want something a bit more aesthetic you can make sound panels out of towels

yea a rug will work, specifically behind the monitors

rug is probably better but it's hard to hang up that much weight

to the side of the setup doesn't matter so much, if you overdo the sound panels it will sound a bit dead in recordings

that's a tough one hm

check out a 'brick hanger' online

I think you just hammer it into the wall

just directly behind

place still needs to be liveable it gets really hot

thicker is better, but prolly can't hear much of a difference

could use a XL mouse pad as an alternative to a rug like so

yea prolly not enough then

for the ceiling can grab one of these wedges for each corner

https://www.amazon.ca/Acoustic-Bass-Low-Frequency-Absorption-Material/dp/B096B8XTPQ/ref=sr_1_14_sspa?crid=2ISW57U6YPAMQ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.O3LFXNb0_hKlYRPZ4-BLvsCo4HvYgSRBfQzVF1gn42fv1RFI5KM2ylO1Dnxk1z_lb638LedvX5iK0nsHcR_Btir0XecpV_fGMXGRGl6_aFzMHfWMCJU5SuYzjFmZFpmlBiD1O1l9hNWT8is0Lhc7zsSkwVxkVzVwgUYp0TwLtX98mwk4Y4G_Ynzcg-BYY3Y_9wnngdF-8Xxwbgjl143nNnqvmLyO8t_9G068KG1UoPIFoBjTSYFLiOIx9J4hqwk0nY3VubKCQIaiJeFGYV-IsjhQrtspxVniwAlMHKMxRIU.ZbYFDoQL-By-oJAjWqK7fhkEJhq0ORXYT1xu5NQjflw&dib_tag=se&keywords=soundproofing%2Bwedge&qid=1764451146&s=hi&sprefix=soundproofing%2Bwedg%2Ctools%2C129&sr=1-14-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9tdGY&th=1

probably overkill unless you plan to do some singing

hahaha, I think do the rest first and see how it sounds

if you're still hearing echoes then do the ceiling, it's a huge pain in the butt

can clap in the direction of your microphone and record it, if there's no echo you're good

yup any thick curtains will do, I got mine for cheap off amazon

they're really heavy so make sure the rod can handle it

[wispy gate]

np! GL

[left verge]

So during Thanksgiving, my cousin walked up to me and asked me for IEM/Earbud options, and since i'm the audio guy in the family, i listed off some options. But she had some interesting requirements. To my knowledge, it's EXTREMELY rare, but she has an allergy to all metals that come in contact with her skin, she also wants a stub for the cable, since without one it hits her ear, and they have to be wireless and $80 or less. I'll be honest, i'm not an IEM/earbud person, i'm headphones only. Something about the way my ears are i can't use any, so this is out of my field. What would you recommend to buy?

[wispy gate]

I dont know how they sound but most KZ products are in that price range, made of resin/plastic, and have plastic nubs. A lot of the other resin ones have metal nubs

Check out linsoul

Truthear also makes some good ones, the truthear gate matches your requirments, the red and the nova might have metal nubs I can't tell

[zenith pawn]

Most iems should work if wireless. I'm pretty sure basically all are silicone + either resin or some sort of plastic

[steel escarp]

okay I digress on the Final DX 3000 CL being the new default recommended 600 euro headphone

its like a hd6xx with a 12dB bass shelf

its crazy

had some more time with it today

[night stump]

Logitech G Pro X 2 Lightspeed vs Logitech G Pro X which one, is it worth to pay litte more for X 2?

[warm scarab]

throwing money at shitty audio interfaces isnt it

[warm scarab]

wait wtf is this

r50x??

since when

[lean grove]

like early 2025

[warm scarab]

its surprisingly closed to rx70x in some aspects

how much does this cost

[lean grove]

~150 usd

[steel escarp]

Its even more linear than r70x. It just requires one shelf filter to fix the treble...

[median birch]

Would the Sonos Ray soundbar be a suitable soundbar for my PC?

[elder thistle]

you havent provided enough information for anyone to give a decent guess

the ft1 sounds more artificial but intense. powerful bass, more sounds pop out at you. volume levels feel more glued together

r50x is more surgical and recovers a lot more details. is more spacious, less bass, doesnt block out outside noises

has more of a toolset for quite a few comp fps games, specifically ones like apex, r6s, the finals, probably warzone

different games and different kinds of music will agitate the headphones differently

so its necessary to know what you're listening to

[warm scarab]

no it isnt

[elder thistle]

and what you enjoy about said music. also stuff like price, country, if you need it to block out outside noises, if you could use free eq software on windows to tune the sound

[elder thistle]

pretty damn linear for me

not even bright

[warm scarab]

argument is more linear than r70x

[elder thistle]

if the r70x plays as darker on my head, the r50x will have more accurate harman in-room style treble

for me

aside from some small blips, my standardization eq has this at 0

what the r50x lacks for me is some mid-midrange

a little lean sounding

[warm scarab]

yeah its mids are very unemphasized

r70x is very flat

like too flat

[crude axle]

I suppose I would still like a bit of kick with the bass and not have it be super artificial. like my earbuds have a lot of bass but I can tell it's not really meant to sound like that

[celest vessel]

can someone help me find a good mic?

[pallid linden]

what's your budget and how are you going to use it?

like are you going to record vocal, drums, guitar or gaming?

or all of them :p

maybe a ModMic or Shure SM57 ? 🤔

[elfin cave]

are marshal speakers worth it ?

[livid ruin]

@elder thistle i found the best pair of headphones

mmmmmm

[main spoke]

need an hd560S alternative, was about to buy then realised they are out of stock for months :(

[livid ruin]

fiio ft3 350ohm might be cool?

they can be gotten on aliexpress for ~ $200

[main spoke]

well the 560s was £90

id rather not spend much more than that

[livid ruin]

wher £90

[main spoke]

amazon

[livid ruin]

steal

[main spoke]

yes but its not in stock for 3 months

hence the question

[broken grotto]

if its not in stock the price isn't real

itll go up on amazon when they get them again.

[main spoke]

it is

you can order them now

they just wont arive for 3 month

[broken grotto]

that seems strange for amazon

is it a seller offer or something?

generally speaking I buy nothing from Amazon if it isn't fulfilled by amazon here in the USA, because 90% of the time if it's a third party seller I never saw it lol

[livid ruin]

maybe like he400se? they go for even cheaper, like $60

but yeah i like them less than hd560s personally

[celest vessel]

my budget is below 300. i need a mic that can pick up my voice clearly and also focus. i have a pc with some loud fans and i hate it when my mic picks up the noise. my voice is relatively deep for a woman but i can scream really high. id like a xlr that i can adjust to my voice. ill use it alot. i will not be recording any music only my vice for gaming/ streaming

ive been thinking about the shure mv7+

[elder thistle]

the shp9500 is kinda similar

[livid ruin]

why are they hated on so much btw?

like compared to actual junk

they don’t seem terrible at all

[elder thistle]

maybe a counterculture reaction to a hyped product

or they dont like the treble fr or something

but overall I thought it was comparable in presentation to a 560s

obviously cheaper and weirder frayed sounding treble

but

[blazing minnow]

I spent SO much time getting this working. Basically I followed this thread and had to do sketchy things to my Realtek audio driver https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/unlocked-realtek-hd-audio-drivers-for-windows-11-dolby-digital-live-dts-interactive.291458/

[pallid linden]

I'm not a huge expert on mics but the Shure MV7+ looks like a good pick

[cold heath]

guys im loking for some nice afortable amps and came across smsl pa200 or fosi v3, i want them run as mono blocks but what once are beter

[warm scarab]

it is junk that was overhyped by dankpods

and the hype died off

[balmy shoal]

Im 1 day into using my momentum 4's

I use them wired via USB-C on the PC

best part of this for some reason when i use it with USB-C, i can still fiddle with the settings on the sound control app on my phone since it still is connected to bluetooth

when i use its 2.5mm to 3.5mm, it doesnt sound as good and turns off bluetooth haha

Anyways, coming from a sony XM3, (and having tried the XM4 and XM6 which i've hated) this headphone sounds like everything i'd want in a headphone, makes me wonder how most everyone outside is roaming around with XM4/5/6 and i rarely see momentum headphones in my country (singapore)

I read posts like how sony's ANC is better etc, but for me the momentum 4's ANC is "the perfect amount", i cant really explain this in detail cuz im not really an audio geek but if i were to describe it the "pressuring" feeling isnt really there and i dont get migraines from it

so cool

[broken grotto]

Mainstream versus more "in the hobby"

Sony is well known among almost everyone

Senny is not

[silk python]

Should it be a dynamic mic or condenser?

[silk python]

Condenser are either really shit or really good, dynamics are good or really good

Because (I have an unconventional setup because videography) I use the Senheiser MKE 600 as my mic, because it needed to be a shotgun microphone to fit on a camera rig, and it comes with the bonus of being able to be further away and thus I didn’t need a mic arm and cable management is way easier

It’s probably not gonna be as good as a comparably priced condenser, but if u get the shure mv7 (iirc 260) you’ll still need an interface and a good one will run like 90 euro, so if u get a good mic you’d need a good interface.

Long story short, get a mic for like 240 euro and spent like 90 on the interface, as Black Friday deals are still on it should be in budget

My setup is:
senheiser MKE 600 + Focusrite solo 3rd gen

[celest vessel]

whichever one is best for my requirements

[silk python]

What are they?

[celest vessel]

i posted them before

[celest vessel]

my budget is below 300. i need a mic that can pick up my voice clearly and also focus. i have a pc with some loud fans and i hate it when my mic picks up the noise. my voice is relatively deep for a woman but i can scream really high. id like a xlr that i can adjust to my voice. ill use it alot. i will not be recording any music only my vice for gaming/ streaming

ive been thinking about the shure mv7+

[silk python]

Yeah I saw ty, for that I’d say dynamic then, and the mv7 good only heard good things about it, make sure you get the only xlr one then cus it’s cheaper and if u use it with xlr and then an interface you wont be able to use the on mic controls.

For a bit cheaper the rode PodMic is great aswell

Just make sure to pair them with good interfaces

[celest vessel]

Eric interface would be good?? is ledger a white one if possible

[desert salmon]

anyone have recs for a clear mid, tight bass bluetooth speaker under 150 usd? i just snagged this onyx 8 and it’s not impressive

i don’t care about crazy extension or bass boost

[silk python]

I would say that focusrite Solo 3rd generation, it’s great for me, only comes in red though

https://www.thomann.de/de/arturia_minifuse_1_white.htm?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=1576042984&gbraid=0AAAAADuDMCWvT6DqAX1cXocaFfmUp1sRK&gclid=CjwKCAiA86_JBhAIEiwA4i9Ju6ioYVsp8-uQ0os9pInz6EEQRsflJ4oW7T-8h_PSwW4ofK4bIUb_zRoCkFMQAvD_BwE

This one seems to be good as well @celest vessel

Just being white makes peripherals more expensive

[celest vessel]

fair but im going for a white setup

[silk python]

That’s fair

[celest vessel]

im looking for a audio interface NOT for music but id like some features such as a quick mute

a wya to adjust my gain yk

maybe something similar to a streamdeck maybe?

anything that can remove alot of background noise

🙏

[silk python]

There is the Elgato wave XLr would fit with the stream deck

[celest vessel]

i have to go back to work sorry!

[silk python]

Nws I have to go to bed anyway 😭 lmao

[unique jetty]

OK, rapid fire time as a first time message here.

1. Opinion: Voicemeeter is a must to fix Beyerdynamics' tinny audio.

2. Opinion: After using their products for years, I cannot use other headphones. The tight clamp is comfy. Every other manufacturer feels like they're falling off my head.

3. Opinion: Most people are spending way too much on condensers when their situation, both financial and audio, would fit with a cheaper dynamic mic instead

4. Confession: I only found out about the "orange" Air mode on Focusrite 2i2 today. I got it at launch

5. Issue: One of my Behringer Truth B2031A's crackles occasionally. Maybe 2-6 times over the course of 24h. Damaged XLR?

Rapid fire over

[main spoke]

ughh id rather something a bit more premium…

i think maybe i will get the hd550, it’s double the price but i dont see any alternative

[wispy gate]

Bose Soundlink Flex 2 with built in EQ (bass down) or if you want more bass light/midrange focus, soundcore x600

Didn't like the onyx either, it's overrated

[lean grove]

https://www.amazon.com/TOPPING-E2X2-Audio-Interface-High-Performance/dp/B0DBPLTL5V

[celest vessel]

does it have a quickmute?

[lean grove]

its got a knob that you can quickly turn all the way down to mute the mic

Honestly, assuming you haven't bought the mic yet, you might want an elgato mic

skipping the interface

[lean grove]

Like for your requirements, all you need is a compressor and a noise gate.

both of which elgato software has

and the push to mute as well.

[desert salmon]

anything a little bigger? how’s the soundcore x600

[desert salmon]

yea onyx is not good. so bloated and the mids are absent

[wispy gate]

Yamaha MG10XU, for voice gating just use software

[celest vessel]

ill look into it

[wispy gate]

I think the soundcore is pretty decent, there's a heavy focus on soundstage and more balanced sound. Not nearly as loud as the bose soundlink flex 2 though because it fires upwards. The Bose gets super loud, it's enough to fill 600 sq foot room with 8ft ceiling. If you need something bigger I'd honestly get 2. The soundlink Max is the bigger version but it sounds bad unless you EQ the bass down, overpriced vs 2 soundlink flex speakers paired

The best of the best for unlimited budget for larger rooms would be the JBL Authentics 300 IMO, excellent vocals/guitar/piano. But I think the price is way too high, never goes on sale

[lean grove]

Look into a compressor and noise gate.
The compressor will make it so that you're always at a consistent volume even if you're close, far, loud, or quiet.
the noise gate will mute the mic whenever theres nothing above a certain loudness, so mouse clicks, computer fan, and other background stuff will have a harder time coming through

[celest vessel]

i heard the shore has one build in that adjusts acclrding to which volume i speak at no?

besides i like the way the shure mv7+ sounds

ofcourse ill buy a shure mv7b popfilter since i heard the popfilter of the mv7+ is ass

[lean grove]

from what I can gather, there's nothing that the shure does that's special.
looking through the product page, they're taking very basic features and glazing them

the automatic gain control is something that's built into discord

denoiser is another thing that they're glazing. discord has one. and basically they get rid of the noise, but make your voice sound like ass in the process

the only good denoiser is the nvidia broadcast one

[celest vessel]

i used to enjoy the fifine am8

but for some reason it clashes with discords noise supression

like i have to put it on studio if i dont and put it on noise supression instead i cut out HHORRIBLY

i used voicemeter for a while to fix it but recently voice meter has been acting up too causing me to cut out alot

it couldnt be any damage since the mic is safely on a boomarm not dropped once but maybe time for a new one again </3

but discord studio mode causes others to hear my fans wich i dislike </3

[celest vessel]

yeah that doesnt work for some reason

[wispy gate]

nvidia broadcast works really well but the resources it takes are ridiculous

slows down games immensely

[celest vessel]

i dont have that many

my pc is running on life support

im saving up to upgrade it but 2026 seems to be a shitty year to be upgrading

😭

[wispy gate]

aw man, yea ram is insane rn

[celest vessel]

ive seen 32gb ddr5 go for 500...

500 thats 20% of my original budget

20%

[wispy gate]

might have some luck on facebook marketplace but I bet the scalpers are going crazy rn

[celest vessel]

ill just save up

maybe roughyl till 3000 instead of my original 2500 budget

and pray that in 2027 ill hhave better lucj

i just PRAY that my pc can hold on untill 2027....

or untill prices stabilize because its on crutches

untill then ill just graduallly upgrade my setup slowly

which now its the mics turn and my generall audio

[desert salmon]

it’s just for my hotel room. something that will fill the room, has tight bass (nothing bass boosted/muddy or over extended) and warm mids. nothing tinny

i like how the soundcore has a 9 band eq

[lean grove]

pray that at the very least the ram is salvagable 💀

[desert salmon]

@wispy gate how’s the charge 6

[celest vessel]

my whole pc needs a change

genuinely

[wispy gate]

All the lower end JBL stuff is really V-Shaped, the mids are bad

[desert salmon]

ah

what about the xboom 2

[wispy gate]

I suggest going to best buy and listening to a few to get a good sense of each brands sound

[desert salmon]

i should

cyber monday ends tomorrow tho

[wispy gate]

wasn't too impressed with the xboom tbh

[desert salmon]

soundlink max i assume is great

out of my budget tho

[wispy gate]

it's a bit bass heavy but if you EQ the bass down it is great

overpriced imo

[desert salmon]

seems so

so the sound link has enough bass presence?

looks small

[wispy gate]

yea it honestly sounds like a speaker 4x the size

[desert salmon]

only a 3 band eq tho right

[wispy gate]

yea, you can also use wavlet for free if you want more bands

here's a video just to show the volume from 6ft away, 50% volume

[desert salmon]

is that on the app store

[wispy gate]

Yup!

[desert salmon]

ah i think i had some drm restrictions

i couldn’t alter the eq

pretty loud

is it a warm sound

[wispy gate]

Yea pretty warm, this is with no EQ

Maxed out it's more than enough for any room

[desert salmon]

thing is, soundcore, albeit probably slightly worse out of the box, does have a 9 band eq

i can snag the x600 for 70 bucks

[wispy gate]

Woahh thats really cheap

[desert salmon]

yea

anker has a deal 70 bucks off of 130

[wispy gate]

Id buy it and return if later if it sucks

[desert salmon]

so actually 60

[desert salmon]

i need it before january so it’s cutting it close

but the onyx 8 is not good

too heavy

and the bass is way too bloated

feels like every bass note is at a constant 50hz +10db

[wispy gate]

something about the bose and soundcore x600 as well is they're totally water resistant

[desert salmon]

not too interested in that

just keeping it in my hotel

but you say it’s upfiring?

[wispy gate]

ah ok, it's kind of nice for the shower that's what I use it for lol

it has 2 modes: upfiring for soundstage, or front for normal

sounds way better in upfiring mode

[desert salmon]

oh wait this is so misleading

it said 59 dollars in the hyperlink, but it’s only 70 off 199

[desert salmon]

i see

so it’s actually 130 usd

[desert salmon]

do you think it’s too big to fit in my luggage?

[wispy gate]

ah, soundlink is better for 114 imo. Yea the soundcore has a handle that can't be folded, it's large for luggage

https://www.bestbuy.com/product/bose-soundlink-flex-2nd-gen-portable-bluetooth-speaker-with-waterproof-dustproof-design-black/J7C5V6T6FZ

[desert salmon]

is the x500 decent? it’s 60 usd

[wispy gate]

never tried the x500 =/

[desert salmon]

on amazon, the soundcores say “frequently retuned item”

that’s weird because it has good reviews

should i snag two x500s and go stereo

[wispy gate]

you're gonna have a really hard time fitting those in luggage xD

at least on the canadian website I see a lot of return complaints that the item was scratched or refurbished

[desert salmon]

easier time than the onyx 8

it’s half the weight

and i’m bringing 2 luggages

i’m gonna see if i can hear the soundlink tomorrow

if i like it, ill just buy it

[wispy gate]

think that's for the best yea, you could even call best buy and reserve it, maybe they'll lock in the sale price

[desert salmon]

i’m buying on amazon anyways

i get 10% back

[wispy gate]

ah ok, easy return

[desert salmon]

how’s the klipsch nashville?

[wispy gate]

best for rock music, bit overpriced, doesn't sound as refined/smooth as the bose. It's less full sounding and not nearly as loud

if you like female vocals a lot I'd go nashville

[desert salmon]

@wispy gate soundlink 2 is 80 usd on the tiktok shop

75 actually

[main spoke]

hd 505 worth it for £180?

the £90 hd 560s isnt shipping for a few months, and 550 is £250

[desert salmon]

560s is an exceptional headphone for the price

[main spoke]

yes but it is not shipping for 3 months

and so i’m looking for an alternative

[elder thistle]

I could sport a 3rd gen at that price

but not when the mc450 is 20 pounds more

[pulsar obsidian]

i need a headphones and my budget is 50-70$ (uae amazon)

[idle breach]

Hey does anybody here use the hd560s? And how much sound do they leak at 50% volume?

[silk python]

does anyone have experience with the Beyerdynamics, DT 990 pro? If so are they as good as people say and would you recommend them?

[buoyant vale]

Who is saying they are good? 💀

[silk python]

the internet?

idk, people

[buoyant vale]

[livid ruin]

they’re only probably good if you believe you hear certain high frequencies below average

[umbral stream]

Guys i want to buy a new headset bc my current ones are worn down. to further get to my question. i wanna get a dt990pro 250ohm. what do i need to run it, since i heard that it needs smth bc it wouldnt get enough power or smth. (pls @ me otherwise i dont think i will see it) (other suggestions are welcome as well)

[lean grove]

Just plug them into your PC you should be fine

[umbral stream]

are u sure bc i heard that i need more power bc they need more (250ohm version)

[lean grove]

I'm like 80% sure, yeah. Worst case scenario they're not as loud as you want. And then you just have to buy an amp for like $20-$120.

Alternatively you could get something like the fiio ft1 and that goes up to 98% sure.

[umbral stream]

Thankssss

[steel escarp]

https://www.whathifi.com/hi-fi/dacs/the-award-winning-chord-mojo-2-gets-a-useful-connection-update-but-retains-its-price-and-sound-quality

finally a 4.4mm and a usb-c cable for both charging and power transfer in one

[silk python]

What’s a Mike?

And why would you want to mix it up?

Poor Mike

[whole sonnet]

Discord peeps I need help, so my gaming setup is in my room and like most people I can get a little loud while playing and my parents rooms is right down the hallway from me. Is there anything I can do to sound proof my room?

[umbral stream]

I'd also like to know abt that 🔝

[wispy gate]

it's really hard to keep sound in, the best thing I can suggest is to take adhesive rubber strips and cover the bottom/sides of the door

hold on ill get a picture

[umbral stream]

Would a thicker door work too?

[livid ruin]

did you consider hd560s?

[wispy gate]

If your walls are drywall, not really

It'll go through the wall

[umbral stream]

Mine are thick bricks

[crude axle]

I just bought the audio technica ATH-m50x, and i love the sound quality and profile, but tragically the cups are too small for my ears, and its kinda pressing on my skull too much, are there any similar with like bigger ear cups?

or like less pressure on the ears

[umbral stream]

Are they better?

[livid ruin]

on average people prefer them more

[crude axle]

what is the difference between open back and cloosed back?

im looking at the HD 560 S myself and it looks like theyre quite good, plus theyre like 50% off rn

[umbral stream]

They are both 140-150 at my place

[wispy gate]

Could try a 'door quilt'

Its like a blanket for your door, attaches with hooks

[whole sonnet]

Ok thanks I’ll try it

[desert salmon]

@wispy gate have you heard the tribit stormbox lava

[livid ruin]

where 50% off

[crude axle]

on amazon in uk

[livid ruin]

the headphones don’t create a chamber

[crude axle]

are they worth a buy? do they sound similar to the m50x?

[livid ruin]

they are worth it yes, they do not sound similar to m50x imo

do you already have m50x?

[crude axle]

they just arrived today, but theyre really uncomfortable

which is a shame cus i love the sound

[livid ruin]

hd560s are roughly less bassy

[frosty ocean]

Learn to act like a decent person and don't make noise?

[livid ruin]

but a bit more accurate with most targets

[livid ruin]

link

[crude axle]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sennheiser-HD-560S-reference-grade-enthusiasts-Black/dp/B08HNFV61M?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&psc=1&smid=AK59LH1AP6J0R

[crude axle]

eh i'd like the bass of them50x

[wispy gate]

The reviews are pretty good, haven't tried it myself

[desert salmon]

i like the driver set up on the x600

i think i’ll just snag that

and compare with the soundlink flex 2

[wispy gate]

dope, lmk what you decide! I'm curious

[whole sonnet]

[desert salmon]

yep. also, is there a reason i can’t find the soundcore motion +?

[lean grove]

Go to a hardware store and pick up some weather tripping. Put those around the edges of your door frame so they contact the door when you close it.

Also get a door sweep.

If air can get through the door, sound can get through the door

[crude axle]

Does anyone have any alternatives to the m50x? they sound great but are super uncomfortable to wear

the ear cups are too small and the pressure on my haed is really tighht

[steel escarp]

if you want the polar oposite of those complaints, Hifiman Edition XS

should be available around 220 eur

I bought them when they were 550 eur, and it was worth every cent back then

[crude axle]

dam those are some big ear cups 😅 is the bass good? I want some bass but like not too much if that makes sense, the important thing is the clear sound space which the m50x had. I've also saved these cus they look good, do you know anything about these?

[steel escarp]

The bass on them is good

Its not boosted but it goes down deep.

Very clarity focused sound

[steel escarp]

Its better than those. Significantly so.

I can wear them for hours. The pads dont even touch my ears. Its the most comfortable experience for me personally. It works well on my wider head

[crude axle]

I see, I'll have to gauge my options then. Im returning the m50x tomorrow and using that money to buy either of these two

cus the hifimans are a bit steep for me

[steel escarp]

Its 20 euros more than the dt700 pro x

Wait that is in pounds??

193 GBP = 230 EUR

[crude axle]

yes I'm br*tish

I guess you make a good point

[steel escarp]

They are cheaper than dt700 pro x

And 3x as good

[crude axle]

maybe I just wait until my paycheck on friday

is the bass good on the hifimans?

I forgot if I asked lol

[steel escarp]

You'll hear subbass for the first time

On a headphone

Its good

[crude axle]

I see, you're getting me excited now

[steel escarp]

Way higher quality bass than the beyers

[crude axle]

I can only buy them on Amazon because I refunded to my Amazon wallet

[steel escarp]

Why is it so expensive tho

[crude axle]

I couldn't tell you 😅

every other vendor is AliExpress lol

idm paying the extra if what you're saying is true though

[steel escarp]

https://uk.hifiman.com/products/edition-xs

Order straight from hifiman

Uk website

£189

[steel escarp]

Oh this is bundled with the travel case?

Maybe that's why its more expensive

[crude axle]

is that not standard?

[steel escarp]

No

It just comes with the headphones and a cable

[crude axle]

I don't really plan to travel with them

[steel escarp]

What are you plugging them in to

[crude axle]

my pc

[steel escarp]

Does your pc have like a good headphone jack?

[crude axle]

should do?

[steel escarp]

Usually they are pretty bad

Uh wouldnt recommend with these headphones. Laptop maybe. But not pc.

[crude axle]

why laptop but not pc tho?

[steel escarp]

Laptops have better headphone jacks

[crude axle]

does the audio jack affect it that badly?

that you would revoke your recommendation?

[steel escarp]

I'd recommend something that doesn't care what its plugged in to instead then

The hifiman will let you know how bad it is

[crude axle]

damn I didn't think it would be so important 😅

does it start shouting at you

"how dare you plug me into this filth"

[steel escarp]

No it just sounds low resolution

And you probably cant get it loud

[crude axle]

https://amzn.eu/d/i2VijYK
for what it's worth this is my motherboard

but I'm open to other recs

[steel escarp]

Hmm might be fine with this one. Do you have a long enough cable that terminates into dual 3.5mm

Or maybe just a 3.5mm extension cable

[crude axle]

I do not, but could get one. why?

[steel escarp]

The edition xs cable is not that long

Like 1.2 or 1.5 meter

[crude axle]

right

so you'd suggest plugging into the back

rather than front jo

io

[steel escarp]

The front is really bad

Its pretty much always just whatever was the cheapest that the pc case manufacturer could find

[crude axle]

I see

[steel escarp]

Its not the same audio as on your motherboard

Plugging into the back would be better, yes

[crude axle]

so you'd still recommend the hifimans? what would you recommend for low quality jack's?

[steel escarp]

Sennheiser HD560s

[steel escarp]

Do you have budget for a cheap usb-c to 3.5mm jack?

[crude axle]

I was looking at these. I could probably get a jack yes

[steel escarp]

Fiio KA11 is the cheapest way to get a better jack

Without going for a full blown dac/amp

[crude axle]

would I need these for the hifimans?

I might just go with them honestly

[steel escarp]

Yes

[crude axle]

oh are the hifimans not 3.5mm?

[steel escarp]

They are

[steel escarp]

Wait actually JCally JM20 Max is a better bet

Seems more durable in terms of design.

[crude axle]

okay

if i were to just buy the hifimans rn would that be a good choice

[steel escarp]

Dont pay over £23 for it

[crude axle]

i'll buy it from the website

[steel escarp]

Yes, with the dongle

[crude axle]

okay i'll buy that now then, just an extra 60

[steel escarp]

HD560s dont care what you plug them in to, but they are not really good at anything besides not sounding bsd

[livid ruin]

oh forgot amazon lists in stock and price based on location mb

[steel escarp]

It should not be 60

What the heck

[crude axle]

no like

i bought the m50x for 120

these are 180

[steel escarp]

Ah I see

[crude axle]

so its an extra 60

[steel escarp]

Its 100% worth it

It'll probably blow your mind how many new things you hear in your music

[crude axle]

its like mcdonalds

theyre really good at not being shit

but not much else?

[steel escarp]

Yeah...

[livid ruin]

tried edition xs and xv they both were decent, not mindblowing tho just like the hd560s

but that’s maine taste everyone has different

[crude axle]

as someone who's been using gaming headphones all my life im sure i'll be blown away

[steel escarp]

Yeah that

[crude axle]

i just want something that can accomodate my ears 😭 looks like the hifimans will be able to deliver on that

[steel escarp]

100%

[livid ruin]

hifiman has very comfy pads

[steel escarp]

They even fit some of the larger ears of my coworkers, they were pleasantly surprised.

Yeah the part that touches your head is a nylon fabric. It doesnt get hot

Im a hifiman enjoyer myself

[livid ruin]

though the bq could see an improvement overall, their construction pops a bit which can be slightly distracting… but that’s common for headphones

my he400se had that and edition i can’t remember either xv or xs as well

[steel escarp]

Pops? Like when u create a vacuum with the earpads and hear the driver wrinkle.

[livid ruin]

also some of their headphones can have strange treble

[steel escarp]

XS didnt have that for me

[livid ruin]

i’m not sure, it tends to happen when i don’t move my head for a long time and then i like move my face a bit

[steel escarp]

Is it like the sound of foil being torn

Or rather removing a plastic peel

[livid ruin]

no, it sounds like a knock or something slipping out out of place or both

[steel escarp]

Hmm weird

[livid ruin]

when i was putting the headband mechanism at strange angles it made that sound as well on the he400se

as for the xv and xs i didn’t have time for that

i tried them at some tech house

they did make a sound when i was putting them on tho

idk it’s very nit picking but i’ll point it out

if i was to take a 9/10 score out of the headphones then that would make it like -0.05 points

anyways when you have some cheap $1 chinese headphone it pops like that but only occasionally and it’s… not as bad

i assume it’s only on a single place on both sides

[crude axle]

just bought 😊

[steel escarp]

[crude axle]

not sure what this means. does the XS perform well here?

it's like a graph of frequencies right?

[livid ruin]

oops forgot to include a target, aslong it’s 3-6+- db within most targets it should be a good headphones in terms of frequency response, it still can have distortion and such… sounds that persists few ms after

[crude axle]

interesting. well we'll see what happens when I receive it

haven't tried open ear headphones before, shouldn't be too bad if I'm using an external mic right?

for like accidental audio pickup

[livid ruin]

i’ll tell you outright they sound boring

because they be neutral

[crude axle]

I see 😅 wish I'd heard this before I bought it

[livid ruin]

boring ≠ bad *good

[crude axle]

sounds accurate, perhaps?

[livid ruin]

you want to probably hear music as the producer intended it to sound

but yeah… everyone has different ears, not just pinna but your brain also processes sound

[crude axle]

I see

[livid ruin]

you might want like more of 7khz but less of 11khz and your ears might die from lil more 14khz

[crude axle]

well we'll see what happens when i get it. looking forward to it

haven't really splurged that much on new headphones before lol

[steel escarp]

Edition XS boring?

What

[lean grove]

I would recommend listening to more exciting music

[livid ruin]

boring = neutral

[steel escarp]

Even if that were true, Edition XS is not neutral...

[broken grotto]

if neutral is boring i second Nils and you should listen to more exciting music

[livid ruin]

aren’t they very close to that? for most people

[steel escarp]

No

It has an audible midrange scoop and enhanced treble

[livid ruin]

the xv wasn’t enhanced to me sounded idk… about right? can’t point out faults

the scoop is also , yeah it is there but it depends on what you listen to

[steel escarp]

XV was neutral with a bit recessed vocals

But XS is not neutral

[livid ruin]

maybe i’m 8khz deaf idk

[steel escarp]

Could just be lucky ears

[livid ruin]

oh, nope my ears scream when someone uses worn brakes in a car

like actually it hurts

others don’t hear it that much or at all

actually curious now which frequency it is

[lean grove]

listen to more exciting music

[livid ruin]

I aint telling you that i listen to ncs and angry birds epic sound tracks

100% not true

[lean grove]

https://youtu.be/f2vJ2nAziik
this is Real music

[balmy shoal]

Hey guys, ive been using a pair of Sennheiser Momentum 4’s for like 3 days now, i use it wired via USB C to my computer as wireless isnt the best when I’m playing competitive shooters. I was just wondering if i should be enabling this setting or no? I currently dont use sound personalisation and have the EQ on its default setting as i like the sound out of the box

[zenith pawn]

I would guess no, anything above 48 khz is snake oil

[balmy shoal]

Ahh i see, i did self research and it seems even if i were to enable this setting, the USB-C audio is still input to 2 channel 16bit / 48khz when connected to PC

[zenith pawn]

interesting

[cold spindle]

Eh I would not say it's snake oil. Really tho on windows 48k is kinda where the os is made for. It does help with music recording and digital mixing desks tho it's not needed for a good consumption

[haughty girder]

no

well, for basic playback yes

but that extra leeway you get at above 48khz for sound production is so important

it's not snake oil at all.

technically the difference between 16 and 24bit is still within the threshold of hearing

beyond 24 bit is true snake oil for playback

but 16 to 24 is kinda like bit-perfect playback vs non-bit-perfect playback

[zenith pawn]

and what is happening in this situation

this a setting on headphones not a DAW

I didn't want to confuse or overload with information so I only give the information relevant

[zenith pawn]

I should have been more specific
For just listening/playback, unless you have incredible one-of-a-kind hearing above like 20 kHz and can hear the attenuation, 16 bit 48 kHz is far more than needed to be lossless

I don't believe there can be such a thing as "what the os is made for", you can use higher frequencies on windows if the DAC supports it

--
difference between 16 and 24 bit is so absurdly outside of the range of possible hearing its not even funny; probably look at this section for comparisons: https://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html#toc_1bv2b

• I should specify, range of human hearing without causing hearing loss, I think that's a fair limit to place

[frosty ocean]

You have the EQ on default or Off?

[balmy shoal]

As stated, i have the EQ on its default setting named "neutral"

Also another question for you folks, have u guys heard of the MoonDrop KATO IEMs? how different are they from headphones like the momentum 4 in terms of sound?

[frosty ocean]

Oh. My bad, I thought you were having issues with quality. If you don't care about quality, you can just leave that setting off.

[balmy shoal]

Alright, thank you friend

[frosty ocean]

Honestly, unless your computer is 20 years old, just turn it on. Might as well get what you paid for

[desert salmon]

@wispy gate i had to snag the earfun uboom x lol. the sale ran out too soon and i didn’t notice, so all soundcore products were full price

it’s heavy so idk how ideal it’ll be for traveling, but i also have the soundlink flex to compare it to

[wispy gate]

nice! I've heard the earfun is a really good deal in general

[haughty girder]

Right. But Snake oil is not the correct term here since there is a tangible benefit. Snake oil refers to things that are completely useless or straight up scams.

[haughty girder]

Motion 300/600/Boom 2 was OOS/full price?

[desert salmon]

yea it was supposed to extend till 3 am est, but it came back to full price before then

[haughty girder]

also, as far as bt speakers go honestly anything will do so long as it sounds good enough for you and enoguh battery lol

drivers are usually vv small for the sound people demand out of them

so just enjoy what you have now 😄

[desert salmon]

i have a semi audiophile system at home, so nothing will sound good in comparison

[zenith pawn]

High sample rates for listening is snake oil

That is what I am saying

[haughty girder]

it's unneccesary, but not snake oil

[zenith pawn]

I suppose we have different definitions for snake oil

[haughty girder]

yes, I have the correct definition

[zenith pawn]

lol

[haughty girder]

Snake oil by definition:

[zenith pawn]

Sounds a lot to me like it would have no "medicinal" value to reproduce sounds that you can't physically perceive

[haughty girder]

24bit 96khz is exactly what is described. It's not a marketing thing, it's literally just an objective descriptor of data. By extension, 24bit and 96khz does offer higher dynamic range and more room for sound processing.

and in sound production scenarios, it absolutely makes a difference.

but let me finish before you respond

IF they market this as "Senn Super HQ Audio" or something and CLAIM that "This makes your audio much clearer and will resolve all your issues with detail with this headphone," then "Senn Super HQ Audio" would be snake oil, but the tech behind it is not.

but in this case they just say "High resolution audio" which 24bits by definition does provide, objectively.

ie. What it does, not what you will perceive.

An example of snake oil for example would be thousand dollar cables which oftentimes have the exact same cable resistance, capacitance, and maybe even Inductance even though they claim to have superior sound quality. Objectivity is the counter to snake-oil claims.

BUT, if a thousand dollar cable claims that it's the most durable cable and they reinforce it with a metal jacket and super durable plugs and whatnot. Even if it sounds the same, it's no longer snake oil because it does what it claims.

[fiery elbow]

I kinda did no research on this, I just ordered an AT2040, was looking at AT2020s and saw the 2040 for cheaper and thought "hey bigger number"

[cold spindle]

The at2040 is better tho I hope you got a interface for it

[steel escarp]

@crude axle did your Edition XS arrive yet?

[crude axle]

nope, it's been dispatched but not out for delivery yet. why?

[steel escarp]

just interested to hear your thoughts on it

[fiery elbow]

I'm getting a 2i2 for it, I have a roland drumset in my room that i'd like to connect up

Actually probably the 1i1, I don't need the 2nd XLR port

[cold spindle]

I guess you mean the solo? The focusright interfaces are okay yeah. just some are a overpriced

[fiery elbow]

Yeah the solo, whatever it’s called I apologise LOL

[crude axle]

just got an update, should be here by Friday

[fiery elbow]

I’m not entirely sold on the solo, would you have any cheaper alternatives? 4th gen runs about $140 USD here

[daring tide]

Whats a good headset and microphone for around 100-150 total for both? Lost all my stuff in a house fire a couple months ago and just now getting back into it, mainly for discord/gaming. i have a DAC

my previous setup was a Blue yeti + DT770s

[fiery elbow]

Nevermind i’m sold 🤣

[desert salmon]

@wispy gate soundlink flex sounds good for its size. very balanced. i’m shocked it sounds better than the onyx 8

[desert salmon]

pc38 has a headset mic

[desert salmon]

can u find a refurb 560s for 100 bucks and samson q2u for 50?

[elder thistle]

don't get a refurb 560s

that's gambling. there are 3 different headphones you could recieve

and they have different strengths and weaknesses

[crude axle]

They've arrived! They are definitely a lot more comfortable than the AT ones, and they sound really nice too

I can hear a lot of details

I thought i got scammed cus I looked inside the cuips and i couldnt see any speakers lmao

and when I plugged them into the front they just didnt work lol

is there a way i can give them more bass?

via like equalizer or something

[steel escarp]

Are you using a dongle?

[crude axle]

no for now im just using the wire they gave me and plugged it into the back

[steel escarp]

Ah, the back of your pc doesn't have enough power to give them enough bass

[crude axle]

thats a problem i can run into???

how do i fix that lmao

[steel escarp]

With a dongle

[crude axle]

do u have any recs?

[steel escarp]

This one

You'll have more power headroom to add more bass via EQ if you still find it lacking after using the dongle.

@crude axle

[crude axle]

stuff like these?

[steel escarp]

Try to find the exact model

[crude axle]

do the other ones not provide enough power?

can't seem to find it on Amazon, only AliExpress.

[warm silo]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FK9SQ1Z3?

I carry this one wherever I go

[crude axle]

so what do these actually do? sorry am a bit new to audio tech. I assume it just allows the headphones to be supplied with more power?

[crude axle]

@steel escarp what would you say about these? idm paying a bit extra cus I get paid tomorrow

[steel escarp]

Lemme see

it would be more powerful, but just a tiny bit

and twice the cost

https://aliexpress.com/item/1005002272265385.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2nld

this should do

[crude axle]

that's fine, cus this one gives me the option to use my own longer usb C cable. outside of the price, would you say it's a good choice?

[steel escarp]

I'd just get a usb-c extension cord for it

[crude axle]

I see what you mean, but the other one I can get tomorrow. do I sacrifice any quality by buying the other one?

plus I wanna use the chunky jack

which I don't think yours supports

[steel escarp]

4.4mm?

[crude axle]

ya

[steel escarp]

I think you got confused

Edition XS comes with a 3.5mm cable with a 6.35mm adapter

not 4.4mm cable

there is not really any reason to use the 6.35 one over 3.5mm

https://www.amazon.com/MOONDROP-Dawn-PRO-Headphone-Amplifier/dp/B0FNQQGX28 @crude axle how much is this one

where you're at

[crude axle]

it's 60 quid, not looking to spend that much. why not just buy the FiiO snowsky melody?

[steel escarp]

it has half the power

of the cheaper dongle

[crude axle]

I thought you said it had a bit more power?

[steel escarp]

via the 4.4mm cable

you dont have one

[crude axle]

oh right, I could get an adapter tho surely?

[steel escarp]

you'd need a whole new cable

you cant adapt 4.4mm to 3.5mm or 6.35mm unfortunately

only the other way around

[crude axle]

alright screw it I'll buy the 60 one then lmao

[steel escarp]

xD

@crude axle wait

it also has a 4.4mm output

so probably same story, let me double check

ah ffs same story

your motherboard has around 30 mW of power

you need 63mW minimum

@crude axle do you happen to like have a usb-c to 3.5mm dongle that you got with a phone

or something