audio-tech

[broken grotto]

yeah, but for your application I think you would want a measurement mic.

a measurement mic will give you trustworthy transfer functions.

you should get a calibration file too to correct the magnitude.

recording mics add effects due to proximity and mic to mic variance

[green marsh]

i still dont get it

bro is trying to record keyboard switches and then attempt to model how it would sound in different keyboards?

[broken grotto]

This is what he wants to do

basically

now, i think there's a few things here

[zenith pawn]

yeah that much i'm sure on. but as an aside I might try using it to record regular sound tests, hopefully with better quality than my phoine

[broken grotto]

for one, the keyboard switch's impulse response is a little strange. as in, you want to tap the switch and measure it's acoustic response (ie, how the switch sounds when you get really mad in a videogame.)

[green marsh]

i dont think thats impulse response

[broken grotto]

i see the appeal, but at a certain point the switch is actually the room's acoustic response.

[broken grotto]

it's impossible in the real world to measure the impulse response perfectly.

[green marsh]

and the only thing with an impulse to respond would be the spring

[broken grotto]

which is why in his test, the switch becomes the impulse response of the room.

[green marsh]

yeah

[broken grotto]

if and only if the stimulus is a short, pulse-like tap on the switch.

which is hard to repeat.

[green marsh]

keyboard sound is a function of desk, desk mat, room, keyboard, etc

[green marsh]

just do as ltt and use a solenoid

[spark hazel]

I was using samsung s60t and then I got a subwoofer swa 500 and it has been good

But I want to upgrade to a surround sound system that will sound better

But I do not want those large standing speakers

I want to keep my price under £250 and do not mind used speakers

Any suggestions?

[broken grotto]

that was really just an excuse to use if and only if

that and "such that" are fun to say.

also therefore,

[green marsh]

Perchance

[broken grotto]

I miss writing academic papers sometimes because of that

[zenith pawn]

If you can press the switch fast enough with some mechanism, then isnt it a singular impulse on the bottom housing, which then can be measured?

I mentioned earlier I was talking about if the switch could be in an anechoic chamber to remove the room being silly

[subtle smelt]

Guys

What are some good but not expensive speakers I can get for my PC

[broken grotto]

Its close enough.

Did you take signals and systems?

[zenith pawn]

Not yet

[broken grotto]

If so, recall the definition of a unit impulse.

[zenith pawn]

The link is purple

It looks like what I was thinking

[broken grotto]

A unit impulse, denoted δ(t) or δ[n] in discrete time is a function that is zero everywhere except the origin, where it is infinitely high.

This is physically impossible to do in the real world.

Instead, you often use a unit step, u(t) or u[n] to observe the behavior.

[icy temple]

Hi Guys,

Require some help with Speakers for Desktop setups

Options - Edifier MR4 or Edifier r1280 db

Another question mark, would it be a good idea to also want a subwoofer is same costing?
Budget - 10k to 20k Indian Rupee

Inputs appreciated

[green marsh]

mr4 and no

[blissful portal]

That used to be me whenever I needed to hit a certain word count

[blissful portal]

I’m not sure what your looking for in PC speakers but I got the UE boom Bluetooth speaker and plugged in directly to my monitor for the rare occasion I need speakers instead of headphones

[broken grotto]

How I worded homework assignments lol

I actually started using Markdown to write assignments after seeing a lot more students using tablets and laptops for homework

it tends to do better with adjusting to screen size and such

I know lots of people who use LaTex but idk. Markdown is pretty clean.

[unique wind]

the headphone out on this is good

[sleek lily]

Reminder for everyone. If you play 1Ghz tones out of your amplifier and can't hear it, it's bad.

[livid ruin]

self react spotted

[lone flame]

Best HP output on a Interface iirc

[unique wind]

idk if it’s the best of all interfaces, but it’s the best that i’ve seen, and it sounds good to me

[sleek lily]

Test at 1Ghz

[warm scarab]

i thought you didn't believe in chain

[chrome island]

Helium 300BT is great P/P and I wouldn't go cheaper than these

[unique wind]

?

[broken grotto]

depends what its used for

[broken grotto]

something tells me this guy had another conversation

[subtle smelt]

Did I say cheap

I said not expensive

Meaning >~250 bucks

[lean grove]

https://www.adam-audio.com/en/desktop/d3v/
these are the latest hotness right now. really good performance, they dont get terrible loud. so no house parties. but they are otherwise really compelling PC speakers

[subtle smelt]

Why are they called monitors

[lean grove]

because they're meant for the musicians to monitor their music. its just a fancy name for speakers meant for music production

[subtle smelt]

Ooh

How much better are they compared to uh

Razer Leviathan V2 (Subwoofer version)/V2 X?

[warm scarab]

nuclear bomb vs coughing baby

[subtle smelt]

Huh

Am disturbingly undereducated in the sound systems area (everything else related to PC I can handle myself)

[lean grove]

its hard to say exactly how much better. razer has some decent audio engineers since they acquired THX, but their product design is meant for people to who put RGB and style at the top of their "what i want in a speaker" checklist.

[subtle smelt]

I mean the V2 has a decicated sub, how can 2 small monitors compare to a dedicated sub

Wait the picture might be making those monitors seem smaller than they actually are

[lean grove]

looking at specs, the adam speakers might actually be on-part in terms of bass extension with the leviathan

i would bet money that the leviathan will play louder.

but at normal listening volumes, if you're not trying to shake your room to pieces with bass, the adams are better in pretty much every other way

[warm scarab]

razer is like

not good at the audio thing

hasn't ever really been

[lean grove]

well because the people that buy expensive razer speakers are like, kids with rich parents

[warm scarab]

leviathan is an improvement to the garbage they sold some years ago but its still nowhere near hte level of monitors

[subtle smelt]

Hm

[warm scarab]

@subtle smelt he called you a kid with rich parents are you going to take that lying down

[lean grove]

its like comparing a gokart to a formula 3 car

[subtle smelt]

Both of those are unfortunately untrue

[lean grove]

im just saying thats the main demographic

[warm scarab]

yea he is just calling you a stupid child

this nils guy man

[subtle smelt]

PB17-Ultra R|Evolution

[warm scarab]

chill tf out

[subtle smelt]

This is what a kid with rich parents would buy

[lean grove]

for perspective,
the D3V are a compelling option if you're looking at any professional speaker system under $1000 so long as you don't need a ton of volume. so at a desk, these are really really good.

[subtle smelt]

So you're saying they turn to shit at loud volume?

[lean grove]

oh yeah i know a guy with one of those

[warm scarab]

no

it just doesnt get ridiculously loud

[subtle smelt]

😭 enough bass to fight god my guy

[warm scarab]

if you are planning on throwing a party with these

it wont work

its sufficient for near field pc speaker use

[subtle smelt]

Hm

Okay uh

Might just have to buy the 300W speaker from a guy I know. Thing's like 3 meters tall

[lean grove]

kind of. they have "limiters" built into them so what will happen is as the speaker approaches its limits, the limiters will stop it from shitting itself. these limiters are set a bit sooner than you'd see on some other speakers, because having a speaker this small have this good bass performance has bigger constraints.
if they speakers were bigger, they could play louder.

[lean grove]

also these speakers dont require external ampliifers

they got all that built in

[warm scarab]

likely will perform like hot shit at your home

95% chance they are stage speakers

[subtle smelt]

Hm I guess yeah

[subtle smelt]

Party speaker

[lean grove]

https://youtu.be/bYipzw4qTGk

this video goes into the technical aspects of the speaker pretty well

[subtle smelt]

I shall watch

[steel escarp]

a bit bright, but looks good

[lean grove]

that's in room response. you're not gonna be listening to it like that

look at the on-axis performance which is gonna be closer to what the desktop experience is gonna be like

[steel escarp]

I wonder how the static hiss is gonna be on these

[steel escarp]

it was bad on the Adam T7V that I had

[lean grove]

id be surprised if it were bad

since these are meant to be used within a meter

[steel escarp]

so were the adams I had

[green marsh]

Just because they call it a son doesn't mean it does sub things

A 4 inch driver in a tiny box does not a sub make

[lean grove]

☝️ 🤓 umm achktshualeey its a 5.5 inch driver

[subtle smelt]

I mean around same as the ADAM D3V

Is that the diameter ya was talking about?

[green marsh]

Yes but no

[subtle smelt]

man speakers are complicated smh

[green marsh]

That's awoofer not a subwoofer

[subtle smelt]

Ah Ah those monitors don't even get a sub?

[green marsh]

And yet they'll probably match or exceed the bass extension of the razers

[subtle smelt]

Is a subwoofer always dedicated unit? And a woofer built in?

nvm

[green marsh]

Subwoofer is for 150hz and below

[subtle smelt]

oh I was right kinda?

[green marsh]

Woofer is for 150hz to 1k roughly

Yeah it's not a strict requirement but it is the standard choice

[lean grove]

theres no technical cutoff, but more of a design thing.

like "this part does the middle" thats a woofer.
"this part does the high end" thats a tweeter

"this extra speaker is meant to do lower stuff that most woofers cant do"
okay thats a subwoofer

[green marsh]

You could make a speaker with a integrated sub or make speakers with separate woofers

[broken grotto]

you can also have a speaker that has two cones, which is kind of a way they can help with that stuff too.

iir lots of car speakers are like that.

[lean grove]

are you talking about coax designs or whizzer cones

[broken grotto]

ye.

[broken grotto]

i have been using crinear for awhile meow

and I have determined that it is pretty good, comparing them against both the Yume Midnight and Mangird Tea Pro

[hidden moon]

See if anyone can guess what model this is.
This is one of my speakers I have in my audio system. They sound really good.

[lean grove]

If there's no information on the back/bottom, then my guess would be that they company that manufactured them didnt care enough to put their name on them.

they dont look terribly expensive.

[hidden moon]

This is what they're hooked up to.

[hidden moon]

Yup, that's it.

[lean grove]

its part of an all-in-one system

[hidden moon]

It's a really nice system.

[bronze plover]

Good choice of music

[buoyant vale]

We have Q Acoustics at home looking speakers

[hidden moon]

I primarily use it for playing CDs.

[lean grove]

I thought they kinda looked like ELACs

[hidden moon]

I have a whole CD library.

[lean grove]

same color. same wood grain.

[buoyant vale]

yeah they both do the silver surround thing

[hidden moon]

Do you think it's good?

[lean grove]

idk i havent heard it

do you think its good?

[hidden moon]

Yeah.

[lean grove]

then thats all you need to worry about

[hidden moon]

Just wondered what audiophiles think of all-in-one stereo sets.

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-house-sarcasm-slow-smile-idiots-idiots-everywhere-oh-gif-23209701

most audiophiles have negative opinions about a lot of stuff.

[hidden moon]

Sadly not everyone can afford the stuff they have.

[lean grove]

very true.

[broken grotto]

audiophiles have positive opinions?

I thought they were all negative

[lean grove]

well the problem is they only have positive opinions about gear thats terrible.
if they were more like me, they would has positive opinions about gear thats good.

[broken grotto]

lol. I can't count how many times it's like, they just rag on something and I listen to it like, "idk it sounds fine."

opinions in audio are basically useless

since my opinion and your opinion prolly won't agree, and neither of us are right

which means that both of our opinions are pointless.

[lean grove]

well the difference is that im always right.
/s

the only point where I think opinions matter is for recommendations. there is a social aspect as well. but ultimately this is a hobby centered around consumerism.

alternatively if you're into the DIY space, there can be some recommendations about design philosophy which is much much much more interesting

[broken grotto]

I also love more so the audio processing side, maybe even into the mixing and other stuff as well

because hardware I understand.

audio engineering is like magic

I understand the systems better than them, likely, but they have the artistry to use them.

[atomic quartz]

So currently i have the akg k371, might be looking for an upgrade, i do gaming, a lot of content consumption aka youtube, movies and Spotify, i was looking at the hd600-650, would that be too much or even good for my use case? I personally tune my k371 with peace eq with autoeq with a boost to bass, never tried open back before

[zenith pawn]

overspending, gotta go back to the apple dongle

[haughty girder]

if you're already boosting K371 bass you're not gonna enjoy an open back tbh.

I prefer HD600 over 650 and they're cheap in Canada

[atomic quartz]

Yea non of this is cheap in Denmark with 25% import tax from outside EU... But that's honest thank you, then I might just save the money @haughty girder

[green marsh]

just aquire a harmonicdyne eris

[atomic quartz]

Why does that sound like it costs more than my pc

[green marsh]

idk man its only like 300ish usd roughly iirc

[atomic quartz]

Oh that's not bad

Unfortunately not sold anywhere near here

Oh well

[elder thistle]

however,

it's often possible to get much more bass from an open back if you use eq alongside very sealed earpads

open backs generally produce more bass from the driver, but much of it is bled out by the earpads so the mids and treble aren't so scooped and dark

[atomic quartz]

Huh, interesting

[elder thistle]

if you're going to be using eq anyways, you'll make the main strength of the 6x0 series irrelevant

though something like an hd600 still has other standout features

[winter wharf]

i got myself a pair of celestion kr2 speakers and a celestion kr sub
i can't seem to find any info on the online. does maybe anyone here have an idea about how old they are and other details

[haughty girder]

1990-2000, Celestion and KEF joined and was remanaged to become Celestion (Professional audio) and KEF (Home theatre). Since KR2 are made in China that would indicate closer to the 2000s

short lived products since entire sealed speakers were basically dominated by KEF so they transitioned into driver manufacturing and OEM

[gray flame]

yo im moving and looking for a nice surrond sound system for my room, idk if it matters but it is on the larger side and high ceiling , budget of 300 idm second hand but preferably refurbed or new

[lean grove]

You may want to lower your expectations. $300 is less than a shoestring budget for surround sound speakers.

Basically you'd have to find something used and get lucky and hope it's not dogpoo.

$300 can get a decent stereo system and maybe a decent one with a subwoofer.

[gray flame]

yeah i think second hand it will have to be because pretty sure these are ass: Hisense AX5100G 5.1 and
Areal 525 DG 5.1

i found the Sony HT-S20R, 5.1 for 220 on some kinda sketch website called ekonomat before i spend time trying to see if site is legit is that even good?

[gray flame]

These any good ? They are 220 listed for a while so gonna get them down to 200 there's no receiver with them idk just said I'd ask cause it's the first appealing ad I've seen in hours

[blissful portal]

After a week of using the Fiio Ft1 headphones and comparing them to my other headphones I can confirm they hear footsteps better and are more comfortable.

[tidal depot]

Hey all. I've lost track of my Jabra Elite 10. Looking for a replacement. Looking for something with comparable ANC and sound quality, physical buttons instead of touch surfaces, and potentially any feature to help me keep track of the new pair.

I would LOVE any suggestions

[verbal fog]

i would not pay 200 for that

[gray flame]

It has 2 more small ones so 5 small today and 1 big

Total

Still not worth ?

[jaunty merlin]

does anyone perhaps have recommendations for a portable music player, Preferably with expandable storage that won't cost me a small fortune?

[broken grotto]

Define small fortune

Like, under $100?

100 < $ < 300?

[jaunty merlin]

I'm willing to dish out 150 usd

[broken grotto]

Prolly JM21.

Its pretty good.

Got microSD

Oh its more expensive now

Mine was right at $150, rip

[jaunty merlin]

It's not too much over, I'll get it as a Christmas spoil. I deserve a little treat. 🤷

[jaunty merlin]

tyty.

[broken grotto]

FiiO probably has the best native music app of any of the DAPs ive tried

All the rest I had to change the language to Korean because their english was pretty terrible

[stuck bolt]

New pads for the work headphones and travel headphones

[blissful portal]

What did you do to those headphones?

[stuck bolt]

They're my work headphones

[blissful portal]

I recommend Vmoda if you want something more durable

[verbal fog]

people say that they cheaped out on some parts when they shouldnt have

the pads/some plastic piece on the arm or something are some complaints that i read about

[blissful portal]

I have had my Vmoda headphones for 5 years no problems or breaks besides the ear pads becoming squished.

Anyone have experience with ugreen 3.5mm audio extension? Are they good quality?

[haughty girder]

Fire I'm glad you enjoy em!

[broken grotto]

a cable? yeah ugreen's always been my go-to for cables.

imo they seem more reliable than anker

[molten lotus]

Anyone know of a next-gen creative labs sound card in the works? It's been quite a few years they have been using this chipset

[lean grove]

Don't worry too much about that. Audio hardware doesn't improve like computer hardware.

[molten lotus]

I have the AE5, and that was an upgrade from the Zx. I noticed a difference

[lean grove]

Okay. There's about a hundred other things that go into making a piece of audio hardware other than the dac chip.

[molten lotus]

yes, I know, haha. But I noticed a difference, I believe the improvement came from the 32-bit sabre

which the Z did not have

[lean grove]

If you really want the latest DAC chips, take a look at topping

They usually have the latest n greatest.

The topping dx5 ii is the latest hotness I think

[molten lotus]

is it more than a splitting hair difference than the sabre 32 though?

[lean grove]

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-sound-blasterx-ae-5.9114/

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/topping-dx5ii-balanced-dac-and-headphone-amp-review.64264/

Looking only at measurements, ae-5 seems to be middle of the pack performance in terms of clean output.

[molten lotus]

and I am using logitech 5.1 THX speakers, the first gen

[lean grove]

The dx5 is better in every measurable way. Whether or not you will hear that difference is the question

[lean grove]

Do you need surround sound processing from the ae-5

[molten lotus]

yes, it's doing the processing, not the speakers as far as I know

[lean grove]

Then the topping won't help with that, unfortunately

What's wrong with your current ae-5

[zenith pawn]

what if I use Ansys to simulate keyboard switch sound 🧌

[broken grotto]

sure

[molten lotus]

nothing wrong, just a long time without an upgrade. I got it in 2018

[lean grove]

Generally speaking if there's nothing wrong with it, my advice would be to not buy anything. There's too much mindless consumerism and you've found something that really works for you. So there's no harm in sticking with it.

[molten lotus]

True. But I do enjoy hardware upgrades that actually make a tangible difference

[broken grotto]

it really won't

soundblasters overall are quite good

you're kinda chasing hairs at that point unless you're driving cans that really need it.

my desktop used an AE-9 for ages and the only reason I upgraded is because it runs linux full time now, and that doesn't have any linux driver.

[lean grove]

the speaker system is probably the weakest component

[fervent tangle]

Any dac recommendations with power passthrough? Wanna be able to charge my phone while using my iems. I'm fine with any other method that works

[livid ruin]

i heard a couple of closed back hifimans

some of them are really as bad as some people say

[green marsh]

https://www.amazon.com/Splitter-USBC-Headphone-Charger-Adapter/dp/B0DT133YRC?hvadid=79920950451555&hvnetw=s&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint&hvlocphy=77603&hvtargid=pla-4583520414299408&psc=1

[primal fulcrum]

Finally, real quality audio is back 😌
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/soundblaster/sound-blaster-re-imagine-modular-audio-hub-with-ai

[verbal fog]

woah i just got crazy rng

i bought a random speaker switch because i passed up on some pretty nice ones and i found a reasonably cool one for 5$

im pretty sure it might be an old version or something of this

i also learned today that the b left channel on my power amp doesnt work as consistently as id like it to

so this is insane and perfect

its this but monoprice https://www.wave-electronics.com/metra-hs-ss4-4-zone-speaker-selector-route

[thorn pollen]

Any "magic" sound enhancers just make the sound worse. AI enhancers are even worse than that

[fervent tangle]

...

[strange lark]

what's a good bang-for-the-buck Heaphones + Microphone Combo for under $100 USD? i'm trying to ditch Headsets.

[fervent tangle]

This guy has good recommendations

[zenith pawn]

Do you know what the reason is

does it not work or somerjing

[fervent tangle]

Bad audio while charging apparently.

[zenith pawn]

Well that's silly

I think you can get ones that just have the DAC built into one end (USB c and 3.5mm connector) and most dongle DACs of today should use pretty standard parts

and I guess see if it sounds normal

since they should be designed for audio although idk why the splitter could have issues

[buoyant vale]

Just get a linear 5v psu

[verbal fog]

i got a 50$ uh fifine mic that came with an arm and nobody complains about it so that does me fine

and then otherwise i just run everything else normally but also you could def get a cheaper mic but uh shopping for brand new cheap products is scary

[frosty ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/928572667697692733/1433592380153659454/SONIC_SPIN_02_25.gif

[frosty ocean]

If I have a 256GB iPod, then means I can use all that space for games...

[blissful portal]

This goes hard

[warm scarab]

would be above 100$

[warm scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/grandma's-fake-teeth-flew-out-when-blowing-a-candle-viralhog-grandma-blew-out-a-candle-and-her-dental-implants-flew-out-gif-2177443156331695156

ipod

[frosty ocean]

His quills are so heavy, it's the only way he doesnt fall over

[frosty ocean]

When I bought it, I had never had an iOS device, so I got it so I could play some iOS app games that weren't on Android. I got a "cheap" "wired" gamepad from Amazon. I paid 45 USD for one year of Apple Arcade. It was pretty worth it. But I ended the subscription after that year. It was 70 USD for the iPod Touch 7th Gen 256GB. I recently bought a 4th Gen Apple TV HD(AKA Apple TV 4K?) for 12 USD. Works pretty good for mirroring the iPod to a TV.
As a music player the iPod Touch Gen 7 is absolute shit. Especially compared to Rockbox

[fervent tangle]

Yeah, after digging some more I'll just go with a Bluetooth dac

It seems my options now are the w3 II, qu 5k, or the btr13-15...

[broken grotto]

that's kind of a red herring though

if you plug it into a poor switch mode power supply that's got a lot of noise, any crossover bleeds into the audio circuitry too.

your phone's charging can handle the noise, as it's got stuff to handle that, but due to the device being "all in one," it's got a higher potential for crosstalk and EMI concerns.

that's sort of why you don't see too many of those charging and audio dongles.

there's not even a guarantee that a "better" power supply will handle it any better, either.

sure you can spend 100+ on a "linear," power supply, but you're forgetting that even that, too, will have some amount of noise.

and if the adapter's design is the problem (lack of filtering, etc,) then you have no chance.

[buoyant vale]

going to be less than some aliexpress special wall wort though

[broken grotto]

it's just best to seperate the two.

generally you shouldn't be using the phone while charging, anyway.

[buoyant vale]

I mean yeah just use another device to listen while your phone is charging

I'm guessing the issue here is their phone is the only thing they have

[broken grotto]

listen to music, take a break and charge it.

it's healthy for you.

[buoyant vale]

My phone has a 3.5mm still 😤

[fallow oxide]

How do I make the EQ I do on my mic apply to all software (with what software can I do this)?

[warm scarab]

eq apo

watch a tutorial on the subject

[zenith pawn]

if only there was a way to solve it... Like idk, what if we put two ports on the phone
🧌

[fallow oxide]

Can someone help me EQ my Fifine AM8 to sound the best with Equalizer APO?

[warm scarab]

look up profiles for the mic on the internet

[broken grotto]

but then you have the phone's PCB and circuit design too

[zenith pawn]

i don't believe in such magic

[broken grotto]

ipods for example have audible noise

[zenith pawn]

port plays audio

[solid dirge]

What would net me better quality, streaming flac over bluetooth or compressing this down to 62kb/s mp3 and running it natively

Not like anything more than AptX if that, from an android device

[lean grove]

Try out both and see what sounds better and report back to us 🫡

[zenith pawn]

i'm gonna have to guess bluetooth...

but how in the world is this exclusively the only two options

[solid dirge]

Im broke lmao. I said fuck it and copied the songs over anyway

This is my dap
https://audioxpress.com/news/mixxtape-is-a-digital-music-player-that-remasters-the-cassette (looks like their old site mixxtapeboss was bought out, they are on https://paulthings.com/ now)

I dont want to bother transferring 40gb to a 64gb SD card im gonna need to replace in like less than a year, hence low quality. I just need to learn more about bluetooth ig

[fallow oxide]

How do I make these VST-plugins apply to my AM8 (EQ) on the Equalizer APO software since it doesn't work

[lone flame]

😮

[lone flame]

have you installed it onto the mics input?

[fallow oxide]

Yeah

and when i plug my earphones into my mic i dont hear the eq at all

[sweet grove]

Hey my headphones just died anyone know of any good ones? I do not need a microphone to be apart of them and I prefer USB as my connection of choice

[lone flame]

Deutsche Kollege 🙏

[lone flame]

do u have an seperate mic?

and how much do u wanna spend?

[sweet grove]

I do yeah

[sweet grove]

uhh my budget is roughly around £200 I guess I'm not too sure how much a good pair of headphones cost

[lone flame]

closed back or open back?

[sweet grove]

I prefer closed back I'm not sure if there's much of a difference other than style though

[lone flame]

FiiO FT1 😄

[sweet grove]

Do you have any that use USB I got my case second hand and I think the person I got it from said theres an issue with the 3.5 slot on it but i could stil try it? if there veryh good

[lone flame]

get the Apple Dongle

the USB-C to 3.5mm adapter 😄

forgot to mention the dongle

[sweet grove]

further issue and I do apologise for this my pc can't do usb c... im due a MOBO upgrade

[lone flame]

USB A Adapter

[sweet grove]

you are a genius

[sweet grove]

https://www.richersounds.com/fiio-ft1-black-wood/#tab-specifications do you know if this is a legit website i googled the headphones and its one of the first that popped up?

[lone flame]

idk any real UK shop

but it looks legit to me

[sweet grove]

damn anothertime being british has cursed me

[lone flame]

yeah it is legit

[sweet grove]

beauitful thank you so much !

[lone flame]

i hope so

[sweet grove]

if I get scammed I will let you know

[lone flame]

yeah

but after a quick google search lot of people praise that retailer

[sweet grove]

beautiful thank you! Audio stuff is magic to me and I don't understand the fancy words so I appreciate your help ❤️

[lone flame]

no problem 😄

[sweet grove]

I did see the pro version for like £30 more but they're open back would you say they're worth the extra £30 and what is the advantage to open ear ones?

[lone flame]

its completly different

FiiO Naming 🥀

[sweet grove]

oh i see would you still suggest the normal fiio ft1 then?

[lone flame]

i like both

but i would just take the FT1

but also

[sweet grove]

thank you for your advise on this I greatly appreciate it all the sound things mean nothing to me as I said ❤️

[lone flame]

open backsound different generally

[sweet grove]

hm?

[lone flame]

but has less bass

[sweet grove]

I've never had open back so I wouldn't know too well how they sound

[lone flame]

you hear everything 😄

like everything in your surroundings

unless you start listening to music or game

[sweet grove]

oooh okay but a part from that very similar to closed back? I have a bunch of people in the house so something that blocks out them whilst im getting lost in a game is great :P

[sweet grove]

sorry one last question ❤️ does it matter if the USB A ot 3.5 only has 1 3.5 jack input or should I go for one with two? My microphone doesn't use that Input

[lone flame]

use the dongle

it performs better

[sweet grove]

like this type of dongle?

[lone flame]

idk how it performs

thats why i recommended the apple dongle

[sweet grove]

but is that the kinda thing you meant? sadly i cant use the apple one since it uses usb c :/

[lone flame]

use a USB-C to USB-A Adapter

thing like that

[sweet grove]

okay I will get the apple one and find a random adapter like that on amazon thank you!

[haughty girder]

closed back will have noticeably more bass

just part of how the closed backs reflect sound back towards the ear rather than just leaking them out into the back

with that said, FT1 Pro are great budget open backs

But just as the other guy mentioned, FT1 Pro and FT1 are nothing alike other than both being great in their price bracket

FT1 treble can be a little peaky for some people but I don't think anything (not exaggerating) touches how clean its bass is honestly

It's thumpy, plenty of midbass, but also slams very nicely and never becomes distorted

[haughty girder]

If you see this before ordering Apple dongle, there's a lot of options nowadays that I would argue are as good if not better for you

Dongles like the Fiio JA11 or Jcally JM12 (with the JA11 firmware flashed onto it) have just as much power but also have onboard EQ

[broken grotto]

That would be fine

Most use the same DAC

Or similar

[broken grotto]

Price

Apple dongle is $9, ugreen $13

Only the jm12 competes iir

[sweet grove]

Oh I see thank you for your great description of the differences I went for the normal FT1 since that’s what the first person suggested and videos on YouTube sang its praise saying it’s amazing for its price bracket

[sweet grove]

And which DAC is that is it the JA11/JM12 the other person mentions?

[sweet grove]

I already ordered the apple dongle since I had to grab it while it had Sunday shipping cause I need it Monday morning for work but I could also order the JA11 or JM12 I don’t know why they’re better than the apple one but as I said before I do not understand audio stuff as all and I can just go through the process of returning the apple one on Tuesday or something

[broken grotto]

Just use the apple dongle.

[sweet grove]

okie thank you

[broken grotto]

Its like $10.

Cant really go wrong

[sweet grove]

I'm a simple woman as long as it works and sounds nice I am happy

[sleek lily]

Hifi!!!

[sleek lily]

It's not noisy, it's just a better, bigger, bolder line

[steel escarp]

@sleek lily what are you making?

[broken grotto]

Its your scope settings, probably.

You have some noise on the probes. Looks pretty consistent.

[sleek lily]

It was just a common collector bjt amplifier for a lab. Ran it as a swamped (Shrek) amp and then with the full emitter resistance bypassed

[sleek lily]

Yea, this specific type of scope has a ton of features but it's super picky

[haughty girder]

If you're not too interested in EQ then Apple dongle will be mostly fine

it has some issues with android devices on Android 15 and below and it's not exactly durable

but audio quality wise it's alright

[haughty girder]

it's literally same

okay fine 10 cents more in Canada

[broken grotto]

You left out the shipping + time frame

Apple dongle comes next day, probably.

[haughty girder]

shipping is free for both, time frame is the key factor here

I didn't know she needed it asap, hence Apple dongle is a fine recommendation

but if she was OK with waiting, I don't really see the argument

(also the shipping discount is because the item is above 10 dollar threshold for free shipping)

[broken grotto]

If its next day, no problem buying the JM12.

[haughty girder]

(insert Prime ruined people's patience picture)

[broken grotto]

Nah its just some stuff isnt worth it.

[haughty girder]

I guess the entire selling point of Apple dongle is that it's cheap and you can get it just about anywhere anytime

My concern is that the Apple dongle in the UK is still the EU version with half the voltage

well we're not talking about "some stuff" I gave a very specific recommendation

[broken grotto]

Same price, same time, buy the JM12.

If you want the simplest, easiest solution. Walk into tech store. Buy dongle.

Thats the only argument lol, the JM12 is better. But idk that its two weeks (or more!) Better.

Esp if its two weeks (or more!) Of no headphones.

[haughty girder]

FT1 are as sensitive as some IEMs, though.

[broken grotto]

Apple dongle isnt a very noisy one.

At least on most of my IEMs..

[haughty girder]

nono I hope you're not thinking I'm disagreeing with you lol

[broken grotto]

I think its more of a stalemate lol

[haughty girder]

it's just what do you prioritize

[broken grotto]

Ye.

[haughty girder]

time is money so I completely get the timeframe argument

for me I don't really mind waiting for things so I'm alright with getting a better product if that means waiting for a couple weeks instead of a couple hours

[broken grotto]

Even if you had no other way to use your headphones?

This i think is a big part

I can live with a crappy dac in my laptop for a week or two

[haughty girder]

thats the thing right there was a period (~2018-2020) where I actually just used an Apple dong that I found stuck to the bottom of my shoe

so I can't really relate

and I had an M-Audio Air 192|4 which I used at home as a dac

[livid ruin]

tried ft1, awesome sound and especially bass, maybe even excessive but very pressurey (good quality) but i hear something piercing in the upper treble with certain songs

it’s uncomfortable but not exhausting, idk how to describe it but i really hate it in contrast to the otherwise good sounding rest

atleast it’s not crunchy like some hifimans

[blissful portal]

Are there any good dongles with a volume wheel?

I wanted a volume wheel for my fio ft1 headphones but the only option I can find is a $70 cable

[lone flame]

ye FT1 has some treble issues

but are good headphones

[blissful portal]

I haven’t found any issues with treble yet. Must be specific songs that trigger it

[lone flame]

HpTF difference

on the 5128 the Treble is a bit spicier

or can be peaky

some people will have some peaks. some people dont

[haughty girder]

The treble is peaky but a - 2 or 3db peaking filter at around 6.3k fixes it

I run a 3db filter at 6.3k

Q 1.41

it's definitely a fun headphone not so much an analytical or "hifi" headphone

but it's exactly what I want out a fun closed back to compliment something like HD600 so I'm perfectly content with it

[haughty girder]

Good? Nothing below 50 bucks

I also assume you're asking about portable dongles

like there's the AP10 from Jcally but it's honestly no better than just using buttons

the other thing is either digital knob like the AP10 which can be really funky with digital volume control

since it still relies on host to control volume

a digital knob on the dac is possible but then it would need to be running a firmware on the dongle that will either scan or allow interrupts to the knob position which increases power draw

and price and complexity

an analogue pot could also work but then you risk channel imbalance at lower volume levels

basically there's just kinda no point getting one over buttons

something like the BTR17 is what happens when you use the digital knob with onboard firmware

it's super expensive

[sweet grove]

If I seem to have an issue with the headphones would you be able to explain to me what that means and then how to do it? if it is a known issue with the ft1?

[blissful portal]

Maybe download EQ software and mess around in that? I am not sure

[lone flame]

EQing would help

everyone hears Peaks and dips differently

so he hears it at 6.3kHz you may hear that peak at 7kHz

or it doesnt exist

[elder thistle]

the answer is not as simple as ft1

it could very well be a bad sounding or bad performing headphone for your preferences and use case

as it kinda was for me

it should never have come to this. when [model] is recommended after naming [price], your needs are being ignored

I don't have that many closed backs between $110-200

so I probably don't have a model(s) to name

but,

1. genres of music you'll use it with most, maybe artists, exact game titles if applicable
2. purposes (competitive gaming, casual gaming, just listening, music production and mixing, voice chat or recording)
3. preferences regarding comfort, build quality, and extra features (e.g sensitive to headband comfort, don't like leather earpads, have big ears, should survive in a backpack, lightweight, good mic, long battery life, ANC)
4. reason(s) your previous headphones aren't good enough, or something you want to improve
5. would you be open to using free eq software to edit the tuning/sound balance of the headphones if necessary

[bronze plover]

Built myself a desktop 2.1 system

The sub is missing one part, which i am going to 3d print next

[green marsh]

gotta get some stands to elevate the mains

[bronze plover]

yeah, im noticing them being very low, feels like i am listening to speakers that are sitting on the ground

[steel escarp]

cute desk

horrible speaker placement tho

[bronze plover]

Why is it so bad?

Too low?

[steel escarp]

tweeter is supposed to be at ear level

and speakers need more space

they should definetely not be in a corner sandwiched between your monitor and pc like that

plus you have sound waves bouncing off your desk which will cause some wonkyness in the bass, some frequencies will be very boosted and make it sound kind of bloated

and ideally you'd be sitting in an actual triangle with your speakers

some speaker desk stands will get you a long way

@bronze plover

[bronze plover]

Ok, thanks for the tech tips
I know how to build a speaker but dont really know that much about placement science and that, so any tips are much appreciated!

I know low soundwaves pierce about anything, but is there a problem with the sub being under the table or is it good?

[lean grove]

If it's crossed over at 80hz or below it should be fine

Anything above that and the desk might interfere

But where your subwoofer is placed in the room will impact it more than the furniture

[lone flame]

Does something sound off or annoying?

like some frequencies are somewhat piercing sometimes?

[lone flame]

Everyone hears different

same for headphones

for some people the FT1 can sound harsh in some frequencies. and for some people it get equals out with their natural hearing

like cymbals or crashes (drum) can sound very harsh and uncomfy for you

but for someone else it can sound natural or even worde

[bronze plover]

Ok, then its about what i thought, thank you

[haughty girder]

nah the ft1 treble is peaky, doesn't necessarily have to be at 6.3 specifically but around 6 for most people that have it

a Q of 0.71 at 6 to 6.5k -2db is wide enough that it covers where most people will hear the specific peak that can cause issues

[haughty girder]

treble being the weakest aspect of the FT1 is basically common knowledge yeah

tho, for most people it's not bad enough to detract the overall value and performance of the headphone

and even without EQ it's not terrible at all

[livid ruin]

@elder thistle a kind person measured my monitor 80’s

looks horrible on a graph

pretty sure this is +8-10db on treble above most preference curves

somehow it doesn’t sound that bad for me??

also, dt990 pro is way more harsh to me, welp, my ears are my ears

[lone flame]

0.7q is wide that will affect 10K and 3k too.

Also lot of people tend to like boosted 6K

[white gate]

What were they measured on?

[lone flame]

Alex has a 711 iirc

The clone one

[elder thistle]

I think it looks about right, but the target and the measurement placement makes it look scarier

m50x treble generally isnt this bright

monitor 80 midrange sounds recessed more than the treble and bass being elevated

[slender estuary]

best headphones for $150? currently have razer nari essential got 2 black fridays ago for $30 bucks and although they seem to be hated online they’ve been amazing but slowly are dying

lookin for something wireless even if it’s sacrificing some quality and over ear other then that idc and no need for a mic because i have an actual mic but if it makes sense ill do a headset

[haughty girder]

I was high when I wrote that

oops.

the issue isn't boosted 6k, the issue is peak at 6k

like everything else is low compared to it

[indigo sail]

Whats this mean

[broken grotto]

you are using BT headphones prolly, and that it's streaming a lossless format.

[indigo sail]

Whats lossless mean

[broken grotto]

it's not lossy

you aren't losing quality

you can pretty much ignore it if you aren't the type to notice small detail changes.

[indigo sail]

I have noticed something but I cant tell what it is

[blissful portal]

What do you fellas think of the moondrop dawn pro?

[green marsh]

placebo

[lone flame]

M50x has earpad issues

or seat issues

[lean grove]

good value if you need something simple

[steel escarp]

The bright LED on it is pretty annoying. And I heard the volume button on it tends to break

[blissful portal]

Damn the volume button was the thing i most wanted. Gotta look elsewhere now

[restive rivet]

Returning the device, is it the Digital Video to USB 3 Converter chip that's unshielded, or is all of it unshielded?
And is it unshielded simply in this photo to show off the circuit, or is this literally all that's beneath the body of the card?

[buoyant vale]

Doesn't look like there is anywhere to solder a can over it

[livid ruin]

yep

[lean grove]

Check out the fosi ds1

[restive rivet]

I'm beginning to think I may have gotten the wrong item shipped as well - that or the comments (including the one regarding the circuit) are for a different product. The design I have matches the amazon listing, but the images in the comments do not. Very interesting.

They have the G1 Pro, whereas this item is the G2 Pro. Interesting that the only place it mentions the products actual name is in the "What's in the box" section

[white gate]

A 711 is for iems

And the DF Tilt target there is for a KEMAR

[broken grotto]

it's a PoS, return it

there's no "fixing," you can do to fix design flaws in a PCB.

[restive rivet]

Ik, I said I was lol. Just wanted to detail the exact reason when I do

[lone flame]

He uses the Gras clone Coupler. Idk if that I'd a 711

You can ask him. Or I will. Do that 🙂
Bcs idk exactly anymore

[broken grotto]

you bought it on amazon, no?

[restive rivet]

Yeah

[broken grotto]

reason for return: "it bad lol."

[restive rivet]

Well sure, but that doesn't give much to improve on

(Also I too am curious if it is specifically the usb chip or just the whole thing that is unshielded)

[lone flame]

You can make anything a reason xD

Amazon doesn't really care

And the workers in Amazon even less lol

[restive rivet]

Sadly I believe that

[lone flame]

I know what I'm talking about 😅

[restive rivet]

I wonder if they accept "it works too well"

[lone flame]

80% lazy ah people doing nothing and get the same Salary

[broken grotto]

Its the board.

Its a poorly designed PCB.

They forgot about our good friend maxwell and his equations

[restive rivet]

Interesting to know.
Where can one learn to make decent PCBs?

[broken grotto]

experience, mostly

just start making some

as long as you have a general breadth of electronics knowledge

if you don't, you need to start there.

[restive rivet]

Gotcha. Any specific starting points for such breadth?

[broken grotto]

there's lots, but you should start with basic circuit theory. Ie, how does electricity work

there's a lot to learn before you really try to design good PCB's, since PCB's are half art and half science

[restive rivet]

Fair enough, so circuit theory first?

[broken grotto]

yes

[haughty girder]

Not great value nowadays in light of dongles like the KA13 (has dedicated amp unlike Dawn Pro), Snnowsky Melody (functionally identical but cheaper and built better) /Retro Nano (BT), TRN black pearl, etc.

I didn't experience it but some people also have reported issues with buzzing or buttons that fall out/in

[drowsy crane]

what do you all think of the Linsoul KZ ZS10 Pro?

[white gate]

The coupler itself is usually less the concern and more the pinna/ear being used

[lone flame]

yeah he has the kb50xx

he should have told on the HP.com DC

iirc he asked on the Discord what to get if you don't wanna spend thousands on a GRAS or B&K or HMSII

[elder thistle]

old

but cool I guess

if you're looking to hear some of the quietest details available, they will get you there (unless masked by other sounds)

[low haven]

been thinking of getting sennheiser HD-600

worth it?

[lean grove]

Are you in the US? And what do you want from your headphones?

[low haven]

Finland. Generally all purpose. Gaming, movies, music, and music production

i would prefer closed back cause my pc is loud but i can just get a better case than my 15€ chinese sit rn lol

currently running sennheiser HD-300 pros

[lean grove]

Hd600s are pretty good all-rounders. Have been one of the best options for headphones for the last 30 years. Only real fault is that the sub-bass doesn't extend as low as some people want.

There have been some other stuff like the hd550 & hd505 that might be worth looking into. Fiio ft-1 is the latest closed back hotness.

The open back might be an issue with a loud PC, but imo if you want natural sound and good mids, it's hard to beat the hd600 for the price.

[low haven]

cool

might have to visit some shop that lets me test different headphones

i would also need a new dac since all i have is an ancient soundblaster Z lol

any recs for around the 100-200€ range?

[lean grove]

Yeah if you can try it before you buy it, always do that

And your ancient soundblaster will probably be fine.

The hd600s aren't that hard to power.

[low haven]

i mean yeah its 24bit 192khz

[lean grove]

You'll be happier if you determine whether or not you need a better DAC after you've tried what you have now with your future headphones

[lean grove]

That doesn't mean much

Pretty much everything can do that

[low haven]

but i sure would like some guitar and mic inputs :D

[low haven]

arent normal mobo soundcards still 16bit? lol

https://www.thomann.de/be/behringer_umc404hd.htm
heard good things about this one

[lean grove]

No. A lot of them can do 32bit 384khz.
But this is really not an important spec to look at.

[low haven]

damn

i thought they were all still 16bit

[lean grove]

It's like saying "my car can go up to 140 miles per hour"

Okay. Does that mean it can do that falling off a cliff or does that mean it can do that while cornering a race track?

[low haven]

guess i gotta find a 48bit :D

[lean grove]

Or like "my computer can handle 8k video."
Can it display an 8k video or can it play a game at 8k?

The 32bit 384khz is a file type.
And news flash, nothing you have used that file type.

90% of what you use will be 16bit 44.1 khz.

[low haven]

yeah true

still on spotify too lol

should switch to tidal

or qobuz

the new spotify lossless thing was a joke 🤣

[lean grove]

Do you need all the fancy inputs and outputs or do you just need something basic

[low haven]

well i do wanna eventually mic up my drumset proper to record some shit

[lean grove]

Gotcha. Check out motu. They're a bit pricier, but they have really good performing equipment

Topping also has some audio interfaces which look pretty good.

[low haven]

cool, thx

[drowsy crane]

Im looking for an well rounded set I know thats an ask that doesn't make sense in audio but I want to upgrade from the samsung akg ear phones. I honestly think they arent half bad

[low haven]

in ears?

look up some good IEMs in your price range

[warm scarab]

never seen any audio source use that

[zenith pawn]

typical audio-tech

[lone flame]

i would set it to 24 Bit 48kHz

[zenith pawn]

but then you can't hear those x-rays

[lone flame]

this shit is lower than the Dynamic Range anyways

[zenith pawn]

yeah plus xrays are light and not sound

i couldn't think of anything accurate that sounded as funny

[lone flame]

just speed up sound so fast it becomes light

[tidal frost]

can someone suggest a budget amp for dt990 pro 250ohm please

[elder thistle]

check out the douk audio u3 if you just want straightforward amplification. needs a good usbA charging brick

dont remember if it came with a 3.5mm to dual rca cable or not

but thats my travel amp

[tidal frost]

I need someones help asap

@elder thistle pls

[green marsh]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[buoyant vale]

They already asked, they want to know what blender is best for dt990s

I think Blendtec are still the best

[tidal frost]

no

my dt990s are squealing

[buoyant vale]

Just remember not to breathe in the blended headphones, it is bad for you!

[tidal frost]

im using a hyperx quadcast and my dt990 pro, i have them both plugged into a y splitter, and then when i plug the hyperx usb into my xbox, i hear a hissing/squealing, but it doesnt happen when i plug the usb into my laptop

[steel escarp]

Lol

[elder thistle]

thats just bad power filtering

or maybe not

are you connecting to the computer and xbox at the same time in any way

[prime sleet]

new headphones and amp

[minor patio]

Looking for suggestions on best wireless earbuds for $100 or below

[lean grove]

https://moondroplab.com/en/tws

space travels are the ones i d get but feel free to peruse

[steel escarp]

sexy

[lone flame]

Lofiman

[steel escarp]

I guess im stuck in low-fi hell

[lone flame]

Another lofiman

Ye 🥀

Upgrade to Razer Kraken

[lone flame]

Why u have XLR to XLR

For swapping headphones?

[steel escarp]

for inverting absolute polarity

[lone flame]

Hm?

[steel escarp]

Susvara is inverted by default

[lone flame]

Oh

And a extra cable helps?

[steel escarp]

its supposed to be like this

[green marsh]

literally doesnt matter

[steel escarp]

yeah I swap - and + individually per channel

[steel escarp]

it does

[green marsh]

except it doesnt

[steel escarp]

ears are more positive to positive pressure than negative pressure

especially with bass hits, they just sound louder in correct absolute phase

the ear canal also has a resonance at 2-4kHz that reacts differently with rarefaction and compression

[lone flame]

Can you explain? :3

I wanna know

I have an idea why but I'm not sure and I have to work now

[steel escarp]

a sawtooth waveform is like the easiest way to hear the difference

[steel escarp]

tho honestly most difference is not because of this, its more audible because the distortion of the driver varies based on which direction it fires in to

[steel escarp]

this one is correct

[lean grove]

sawtooth is also the easiest to distinguish when you look a the waveform, believe it or not

im swapping between them every second and they sound identical

[steel escarp]

I didnt need to look at the wave form

the one that sounded brighter/more nasally/leaner is the one in correct phase

[lean grove]

which one is that

because again, they sound identical to me

[steel escarp]

the 1st one

and I am even listening through a tube amp

[steel escarp]

weird that you dont hear it

[lean grove]

sawtooth 1

sawtooth2

[lean grove]

weird that you're able to hear things that nobody else can

[steel escarp]

randomize them

I will respond within 2 seconds

or actually give me like 4

I have to go back and forwards between the two

ping me when u send them

[lean grove]

what im noticing now is that after listening to a sawtooth wave for more than a few seconds im hearing a whistling appear

[steel escarp]

I hear something that can be described as dripping water

but that's a result of how aliasing is done I think

upping your sample rate should move the aliasing artifacts to a higher pitch

oh just tested it, its not even by that much

[steel escarp]

what are you using to listen to the difference? Balanced armature IEMs?

planars are already a bit more difficult to hear it on

dynamics you should 100% hear it

[lean grove]

I switched to my iems and tried some blind tests. I'm 3 for 3 in guessing correctly

its entirely based off that sort of harmonic whisteling that im hearing

[steel escarp]

A 100 Hz sawtooth has infinite harmonics in theory

[lean grove]

it sounds like there's a sine wave playing with the sawtooth

im pretty sure its an 880 hz sinewave when im doing a 440hz sawtooth

[steel escarp]

its not an actual analogue sinewave but a bandlimited synthesis. the folded harmonics beat against each other after Nyquist and then get folded back into the audible range

tho it should't be different based on whether the sawtooth is in or out of phase since the aliasing is a linear process I think

tone and harmonic frequencies should stay the same

[broken grotto]

Grey is right. Im not sure he can explain it well in other non-audiobeep terms though.

[prime sleet]

im getting susvara next year

[green marsh]

not really its inaudible or near inaudible in music

instead of listening to sawtooth waves 💀

[steel escarp]

try listening to he1000 unveiled before committing to Susvara

might save you half the money if you like it more

[prime sleet]

Oh yeah the unveiled ones seem a bit too risky for me with the exposed drivers

I'd be getting the susvara used btw

[steel escarp]

that saves a lot of money

[prime sleet]

Yep, you can find them for $3000

[steel escarp]

I personally would have bought a he1000 unveiled even if it was the same cost as sus

but I got my Sus before it released

[prime sleet]

I'll try them if I get the chance

[steel escarp]

👍

[fair pawn]

I still need an amp for my Susvara lol

But instead went and bought Philphone Closed

And this came in today

[lone flame]

💀 there is a difference

but if that matters? necause saw waves etc?

i dont think so

Saw waves are stupid generally. just far from reality

[zenith pawn]

what causes the difference to be audible? is the headphone diaphragm less sensitive in one direction than the other?

or some issue on the software side where it gets clobbered if in the wrong polarity before it reaches the dac

[haughty girder]

no you can defo hear the difference

Sawtooth 1 has a much softer attack, I could probably pass an ABX on it, but without comparing at all I probably wouldn't notice the difference

imagine saying doe dee doe dee and repeat it versus dee doe dee doe

[zenith pawn]

https://open.spotify.com/track/0yJvWbn8xQKiDZ84VN5lQG?si=910b81cba7ca41bf

[smoky terrace]

i am currently extremely torn between waiting some amounts of weeks to get my hands on the sennheiser hdb 630s or go safe and get either the momentum 4s or the sony xm6.

i really need some over ears but frankly i just don't know what to do because i cannot try them, and i don't really believe all this nonsense about the sound signature being the same as those $60k headphones that make people cry

[steel escarp]

Oh yeah that's complete nonsense.

Its a major improvement in the wireless headphone space, but not that good

[smoky terrace]

I don't even know if i care about it that much because i am getting audeze maxwells for just home listening while at the pc

And those are apparently better than the 630s

[steel escarp]

I strongly disagree

In both terms of comfort and sound quality

[smoky terrace]

Hmm

Just tried xm6... idk if it was because of not having the app installed but i wasn't particularly impressed

Very flat

But it might be because i have airpods pro brainrot

[smoky terrace]

Have you tried them?

The fuck, why does my head hurt after like 2 minutes of having the xm6 on

[steel escarp]

The maxwell is heavy af

[smoky terrace]

No no my ears

[steel escarp]

I dont think its gonna be better

Oh are the earpads touching it in a bad way

Or is the sound that bad

[smoky terrace]

Brother i have brock lesnar's neck

I could wear apple vision pro connected to the maxwells and be fine

[smoky terrace]

I can't tell if they compressed a lot or the bass was so loud it started hurting

They sure didn't feel bassy tho

If anything i would say mids and highs were good

[steel escarp]

Oh yeah the bass is like 25dB above neutral

Which is insane if you realise every 3dB the sound gets twice as loud

[smoky terrace]

Well guess im not gettibg those

[steel escarp]

The sennheisers should be easy to listen to

[smoky terrace]

Next up is finding a hifi store that will let me try momentums or sonos ace

[steel escarp]

Momentum 4 is really bad

[smoky terrace]

Sadge

[steel escarp]

So is sonos ace

Bose QC Ultra does somewhat resemble good sound

Airpods pro 2 are still a banger for the sound

[vocal anchor]

hopefully someone can explain this to me cause im stumped. i usually windows sonic for headphones on my pc, i wanted to use Equalizer APO to fix the EQ for my headphones but after messing with it at all discord sounds like im hearing through a long hollow hallway. anyone know why or how to fix this?

[green marsh]

yeah, and this is relevant if you listen to sawtooths alot

and otherwise its not an issue

the majority of sounds do not resemble sawtooths

[wispy zephyr]

do u guys think the sony 1000xm4 are good for gaming? both competitive and casual

[green marsh]

i would say no

since its a bt headphone

[wispy zephyr]

well im pretty sure you can use them wired no?

tho u cant use the mic when u do that but thats not a problem for me

[green marsh]

i dont see the point of buying a wireless anc headphone for wired use

they usually sound worse wired

and youre paying more and ignoring half the features

[wispy zephyr]

which ones do you recommend? im looking for a headset since i already got a pair of airpods pro 2, mic doesnt matter since i got a separate one

[livid ruin]

nothing about is exceptional nor good for most people

if you want anc get the newer xm6’s

if you want sound quality, sound stage or instrument separation these will not be it for their price

[wispy zephyr]

isnt the sound quality very good? atleast thats the impression i get from rtings.com, like the better sound quality options are just more expensive or lack in other departments

the other good option i found is the new blackshark v3 pro since theyre good overall

[wispy zephyr]

those are super expensive for me icl

[glossy jetty]

What microphone should i buy?

[livid ruin]

nope

whole range is off including mids

for an average it's prob decent sound profile especially if you're a bass head but if you explicitly want good sound that represents audio as it is sony isn't it

[wispy zephyr]

damn really??

https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/sony/wh-1000xm4-wireless is this review wrong then? cuz it says the audio is very good

[buoyant vale]

The only useful stuff rtings publish are the measurements

[wispy zephyr]

hmm i see

bummer

[civic beacon]

They're definitely more suited for music listening, specifically in situations where Active Noise Cancelling is a necessity. You can use them for gaming too, but what @green marsh said about the Microphone is true.

[civic beacon]

Sites like RTINGS and SoundGuys are great to get an idea of how you might want to look at headphones while doing your own research, and their charts are decent, but at the end of the day, your ears will hear differently than everyone else's so take those reviews with buckets of salt.

[civic beacon]

Personally, I like the sound profile of my WH-1000XM3's, but I tend to listen mostly to a mix of pop, pop-punk, EDM, power metal, symphonic metal, synthwave, electronica, and some acoustic / adult alternative rock type stuff. What you listen to may or may not sound "good" on these headphones.

[wispy zephyr]

i see, i've been thinking about iems as well since a lot of people recommend some of them

[smoky terrace]

Now that is an opinion i have not heard before

[smoky terrace]

Xm3s were elite

[steel escarp]

its mostly balanced in the treble, besides somewhat boosted bass

[smoky terrace]

Idk i might hust wait until i can get my hands on hdbs

Again i think airpods brainrot has kinda got to me

Over ears may just be ruined for me

[jaunty fjord]

Okay so what I'm looking for may or may not exist, either way I can't seem to be able to find it.

I'm looking for a audio interface that has a digital mixer built in.

Like, it'll show up in windows as three separate outgoing stereo channels, but on the device it only has like three faders for volume and one headphone jack.

I'm pretty sure the goxlr used to be exactly this, but not sure. They don't make them anymore anyway.

Pls @mention me if you know what the thing I'm looking for is called

[elder thistle]

I would be a little surprised

[lone flame]

If you use RTings

Make sure that the Methology is up to date

so for Headphones its currently V2.0 (as the measurements of the XM4)

sometimes there is an older version of measurements

[civic beacon]

but would they send me a new one or is this a known issue
Sounds like a question to ask FiiO support. If you didn't buy it from them or an authorized reseller OR you're out of warranty, they'll likely do nothing, but it's worth a shot I guess?

[lone flame]

HDB 630 peak

[wet laurel]

True mb

[dull trout]

the shop you got it from should help you with this quite easily
unless its a store that doesnt do after sale support, even then, if you have purchase receipt, try contacting FiiO

[terse river]

I was close to buying them before switching to xm5s. I had heard they were good? How are they bad?

[kind hawk]

Is it better to mount audio interface flush with the desk or recessed?

[wheat moss]

Big expensive 4 channel scarlett and a cheapo cable with knockoff connector

[broken grotto]

Depends on you. If you need easy access, do flush

[zenith pawn]

PCM and PDM audio fans can both unite against the forbidden car engine:

when the idle control proportional gain is too high

[steel escarp]

They are heavy and they are very lacking in how detailed they sound. With gaming I had a hard time telling where sounds came from.

Oh wait ur talking about momentum 4. Not the maxwell. Mb misread

Momentum 4 is tuned in a way that voices are shoved to the background and hard to hear.

[broken grotto]

Looks pretty normal

[zenith pawn]

Nah it's not

[broken grotto]

And why?

[zenith pawn]

It should converge to a smoother timing instead of just switching between max and min

[broken grotto]

Why?

[zenith pawn]

So the engine idles smoothly

[broken grotto]

Would it with a single timing?

[zenith pawn]

Not a constant one but it would not need timing oscillations of 20 degrees

Hook up an obd reader with live data to a normal car

[broken grotto]

And where is that graph from?

[zenith pawn]

From our formula sae car

[broken grotto]

The mean is about 21°.

That's pretty normal for gasoline.

Closed loop idle controller, no?

[zenith pawn]

Where did you get that

[broken grotto]

Look where the oscillations center themselves

[zenith pawn]

It's not really, when reducing the gain it more clearly oscillated around 12 degrees

The actual degree number would be pretty arbitrary because it's affected by whatever the throttle opening at 0 throttle is set to

There wouldn't be a normal number other than "somewhere less than 20"

[broken grotto]

Says who?

[zenith pawn]

The ECU manual, and the fact that the ignition main table is set to 25 degrees BTDC (it may not be optimally tuned but somewhere between 25-20 I think should be peak torque)

Then reducing the timing reduces torque so it doesn't just free rev to 4k

[broken grotto]

Your making very broad assumptions. Closed loop will oscillate. It has base spark. Your p value adjusts this further.

[zenith pawn]

What am I broadly assuming

[broken grotto]

Your assuming it converges, firstly

[zenith pawn]

It does when I reduce the gain lol

[broken grotto]

Secondly you forget it isnt a static system like your classes

[zenith pawn]

It shouldn't oscillate 20 degrees and about 1600-2300 rpm

It's hitting the max and minimum, that's the only reason its 20 specifically

[broken grotto]

Hey, you do you. It's a fine tune game.

[zenith pawn]

It's not just "it oscillates a bit" it is literally hitting the floor and ceiling for what its allowed to change, and then the output is varying hugely because of it

when I reduce the proportional gain then it makes smaller, bounded adjustments and the output varies less and stays close to target idle aim

Is that not the correct way to do it

is this not a more ideal result

[broken grotto]

Yeah. Looks good.

Didn't make the first one not normal though.

[zenith pawn]

I don't get what you're saying

[broken grotto]

I know. Kind of the point.

I used to work for Hyundai making their engine controllers for race cars. The first control loop is pretty common in this application because it's all about stupid fast torque response with a trade off at idle.

Ie, a whole different level.

[zenith pawn]

Oh, we don't have anything that crazy in terms of power modification

Nothing like cams or something

[broken grotto]

It's called instantaneous torque authority tuning.

The primary interest is torque, everything else is manipulated.

I lived like a queen those days

It was awesome

[zenith pawn]

Do you know if that's like the "torque model" tuning in GPRP Pro? https://www.motec.com.au/hessian/uploads/GPRP_Pro_Setup_and_Tuning_Guide_967042122e.pdf

We don't use the pro version it's just something I saw

[broken grotto]

factors that affect torque in a small way that are not compensated for in the implemented model, this is of no concern
for fuel and ignition control and it is well suited for the intended purpose."``` Bruh

Probably something close

Idk why that thing says pro

Pro hobbyist maybe

Most people get the heebie jeebies hearing their engine hunt at idle

[zenith pawn]

That's just they named it

[broken grotto]

But it's just a high response tune.

You can do the same with mechanical cams.

Large overlap, tight lobe separation

[zenith pawn]

I believe the entire thing in gprp pro is your throttle declares the torque aim and then all the remaining calculations and adjustments are an attempt to deliver that desired torque

[broken grotto]

That is correct, yeah.

Modern tuning method

[zenith pawn]

It doesn't look like this anymore BTW
I don't know what I did different since I didnt save that one, but it idles smoother and looks like a 10 degree magnitude sine wave instead

There were a couple seconds where it just became a stock engine and idled perfectly even

[broken grotto]

Fine controller.

That's the thing

It will vary

it is NOT an LTI system.

[zenith pawn]

It looks prettier in the live view than the datalog, I think the polling frequency is higher

[broken grotto]

I used to have to show up to races like super race, and fine tune basically every race

Sometimes in the middle of one, too.

[zenith pawn]

that's may become the reality for me too

[broken grotto]

It should be

Honestly if I didn't get married I'd probably still be working on that team lol

Motorsports was hecka fun

[zenith pawn]

Do you mind if I DM you about more tuning stuff

[broken grotto]

If you want to, i may reply at random times b/c back home but I'll try to reply as soon as I can.

[zenith pawn]

That's fine

[broken grotto]

Should try to visit a hifi shop

See what kind of stuff is selling in Korea lol ._.

Focal was pretty popular

I'm sure it still is

[green marsh]

but i need the chop

[west flame]

If I have 2 6ohm speakers, what do I set the impedance to on the head unit?

[west flame]

Nvm I figured it out

[steel escarp]

I give up

all dacs sound the same

the tube amp makes like a 2% difference when used as preamp, unless your tubes are shit and are actively making things worse

[unique wind]

keep going brother grey you have almost reached enlightenment

[warm scarab]

he is so close now

just 5000$ more into the hobby

almost got it

[broken grotto]

I should be going to 셰에라자드 today, I think.

I'm not sure what they'll have, but they open soon so

OOF those look cool but they're expensive

[molten lotus]

How are Truthear x Crinacle - ZERO: BLUE2 IEMs? https://www.headphonezone.in/products/truthear-x-crinacle-zero-blue2

[broken grotto]

they're fine

most of crin's tunings are.

[full cape]

Hey guys, I need some help. I currently own the Logitech Pro X 2 Lightspeed, but it seems like either the firmware or the battery gave out on me — it won’t charge past 30%. I’ve tried moving the USB dongle to another port, resetting both the dongle and the headset (which did nothing), and also updating the firmware since one was available. Nothing worked.

I’m now sending it back to Amazon after Logitech support wasn’t able to help me.

TL;DR: I need a new headset with equal or better quality than the G Pro X 2 Lightspeed.

[steel escarp]

okay I already changed my mind. its just that tonally all dacs sound the same

but that makes it hella difficult to compare dacs

[unique wind]

so much for that bro he just took a step backwards

[warm scarab]

no dude let him cook

10 thousand dollars more

almost there

[steel escarp]

Susvara + Holo Bliss + Chord Mojo 2 + Feliks Echo Vibe, and now I can hear the difference between dacs

I need a Holo Cyan 2

[zenith pawn]

What is the differences

[steel escarp]

its mainly how stuff is separated and just being able to distinguish the placement of instruments just a touch better. its like just a touch more space between stuff

but we're talking very small differences here

I am comparing a DS and a pulse array DAC atm

The Mojo 2 just kinda adds this smooth edge between instruments and leaves a bit of space, where with the IFI dac it just kinda diffuses into each other

but man, we're talking about very minor things here that are not audible when switching back and forward quicky. its just something you notice over a longer listening period

I didn't hear a difference between the cyan 2 and holo may when switching between them quickly