audio-tech

[sleek lily]

12 credit hours is enough for me lol

I think my grades would drop beyond that

[broken grotto]

But yet you've time to work

[green marsh]

i dont know how you work a full time job with full time school

[zenith pawn]

who does that

[green marsh]

idk

school part time or work part time is pretty doable tho

[zenith pawn]

one full time is pretty doable

one full time and one part time is pretty doable tier

both full time is probably not

[broken grotto]

you'd be surprised actually

I had one student years ago who worked like third shift

didn't get the best grades though

but B and C isn't the worst thing

[green marsh]

yeah if you sacrifice everything

[zenith pawn]

fr

[broken grotto]

for some it's worth it

frankly, those people deserve commendation versus those who just go to parties and try to get the entire uni sick with the frat boi flu

[green marsh]

idk about commendations

[sleek lily]

I work part time

If I worked full time I'd probably be doing less stressing about if somethings gonna drop me to a B and more stressing about if I'm gonna pass a class or not

I'd have 0 time to study

Only way I could see getting away with that is if you're working as a ta or something

[minor patio]

What USB mic would y'all recommend for discord and maybe light streaming looking to stay under $100

[chilly prawn]

I have an older amp (receiver, onkyo tx-8211), and it has 2x2 speaker outputs, it's not surround, it just supports two pairs of stereo speakers. I'm already using one pair, and have the other pair of outputs left over. how would I connect a subwoofer to it? because if I connect it to either left or right, I wouldn't be sending it all of the audio

after all, the manual does say not to do things like this, is it just flat out not possible? (to do properly)

[buoyant vale]

What subwoofer are you using?

[chilly prawn]

oh I don't actually have an exact model in mind right now, I was just asking hypothetically because most subs I've seen have a mono input

intended for amps with sub/centre out

[buoyant vale]

I would just get an active sub then

[chilly prawn]

yeah but this amp has no pre out either

[buoyant vale]

use the rec output

[chilly prawn]

oh true

I didn't think of that

[green marsh]

when you connect in parallel it halves the ohms as according to basic e&m which at speaker impedances can cause the amp to overwork itself due to already low impedances

[sleek lily]

Assuming they're the same impedance that is. If you have a 10ohm speaker and connect a 20ohm sub in parallel it'd be like if you had a 6.66ohm load

[chilly prawn]

yeah but I have two pairs of stereo outputs to work with

the pairs are 2x70w at 4 ohms

it calls them speakers A and B, I'd have my two speakers on A, and then the sub alone on B

[green marsh]

but why

mono sucks ass

can your sub not take in high level outputs and output them to your speakers

[chilly prawn]

I don't have a sub, I was looking at getting ones

as in what if I get a passive sub that's just mono input only

indeed if I do end up with an active sub I'll just connect it to the tape recording out

because that's a line level out

that's no problem

I'm trying to figure out how to connect a passive sub

more specifically how to properly "mix" the left and right channels

[green marsh]

i would just not consider a passive subwoofer tbh

[wet elk]

Just searched looks like can make "passive stereo to mono mixer" with just a couple of resistors that said I do generally agree it is probably worth having an active amp that can filter the frequencies from whatever source along with being able to control the bass amplification itself

https://support.qsys.com/en_US/application-notes/how-to-|-connect-stereo-outputs-to-mono-input#:~:text=The correct solution is to,outputs to a balanced input.

[chilly prawn]

resistors? I would need some high power resistors

[wet elk]

I dunno not a thing I've ever tried like I said just searched out of curiosity about the circuit to use but seen a few places saying the same

[chilly prawn]

what I also read is that if you invert the polarity of one of the channels of the input signal, you can then wire up the one speaker as a difference between the left and right channel, and that is going to cancel out with the previous inversion and give you the sum of the two channels

but then I have to compensate by wiring one of the regular speakers with inverted polarity as well

[chilly prawn]

I just don't understand this power rating, why is it saying 2x70 when it has 4 channels total? (2 pairs of stereo outputs)

does that mean 4x35 or what

[next anvil]

hey i’ll be getting the rode podmic, what boom arm should i get for it as it is a heavy mic?

[broken grotto]

the one that's rated for the weight of the mic and then a little extra

[green marsh]

brother thats two channels

left and right

the rating is right

[chilly prawn]

but it has two pairs of outputs for two pairs of speakers

[sleek lily]

Probably just parallel outputs

[green marsh]

as in it has 8 binding posts?

[chilly prawn]

yes

and there's also that qualifier there at the bottom

[lone flame]

oh no... i see 2 big L's 🙁

[green marsh]

i shall assume it can do all of them at the same time and repeat what biooc said

[chilly prawn]

yes it can but then for some reason it says 8 ohms minimum if you do them at the same time

[sleek lily]

Just looks like parallel outputs

[chilly prawn]

yes they are

[green marsh]

cuz if you do both its can be half the impedance

and if you did that with two sets of 4 ohm speakers it would present as a 2 ohm load

[sleek lily]

What are you hooking up to it?

[chilly prawn]

the original discussion was how to hook up a passive sub to this

[green marsh]

which would be not good for the speaker or amp and would potentially damage one or the other

[chilly prawn]

without missing out on an entire channel

[sleek lily]

You only really need one channel for a sub

[green marsh]

but what if some megamind mixed panning bass

[chilly prawn]

but then what if something is panned

yeah

[sleek lily]

Then they don't deserve to be played on speakers

[green marsh]

truuuuu

[chilly prawn]

this reciever is quite paltry anyway, absolutely no digital input of any kind, just three line inputs and a phono input

[sleek lily]

[chilly prawn]

onkyo tx-8211

[cold spindle]

tbh for a passive subwoofer i would just add a extra amp for the sub alone or just one that is triphonic and sell that amp

[sleek lily]

[lone flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwgGGrF2mxA
i like that Bass alot

[sleek lily]

[cold spindle]

as that amp really isn't meant to add a subwoofer to. triphonic is a amp for left right and sub it's a pa type amp tho

[lone flame]

[sleek lily]

[lone flame]

²

[sleek lily]

[lone flame]

³

[sleek lily]

[lone flame]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-cat-huh-small-cat-huh-what-gif-2593177363967991691

[sleek lily]

[chilly prawn]

unless, as mentioned, I get an active sub and use these tape outs

although I would probably use tape 2 out because tape 1 and cd are my inputs

[lone flame]

(got that meme from Golden :D)

[cold spindle]

you need to use the out on tape 1 if that the input

[chilly prawn]

yeah that's kind of how that cabinet looks like lol

[lone flame]

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-chad-asian-chin-girl-gif-5772225849422553320

[cold spindle]

also you can use a second amp with a passive subwoofer or a active one from tape 1 out

[lone flame]

the world is so easy to understand

until you want to understand it a bit more detailed

[chilly prawn]

no it won't output to the one that's selected because this is meant for dubbing

[sleek lily]

Just get 2 subs and let them both boom the bass

[chilly prawn]

if tape 1 is selected it will only output to tape 2

[lone flame]

surround bass

Bass Sound localization 😄

[chilly prawn]

stereo bass

the main thing is

[sleek lily]

Rear, front, top, and side subs

But mono mains

[lone flame]

you need one for your chair so that your ass can feels the bass

so literal "immersive sound"

[sleek lily]

Bass plug

[chilly prawn]

I was looking at this pair of jamo s60 sur monitors and people say they don't have good bass, even in their specs they only go down to 80hz

but then they say mids and top end are good

[lone flame]

that works too

but wired it will be a bit uncomfy

[sleek lily]

Meeshter tom is a hero

[green marsh]

i would like to suggest purchasing an actual audio reciever

which would be more suited to your goals than a mere power amp

[lone flame]

WOW!!!! A Transducer that goes from 80hz-20.000hz!

[chilly prawn]

I'm working with what I've got here, I don't have entire setup kind of money

[green marsh]

try craigslist or something

surely you can find one for like 50 bucks

[sleek lily]

Get breadboarding

Make your amp from scratch

[cold spindle]

eh power amps are fine tho you can just use a splitting cable into multiple amps

multi amping is done if you want a really powerfull subwoofer

also for a 100w sub your amp should be 150W out for the sub

[chilly prawn]

this thing is so old the volume wheel physically turns even if I use the remote

it doesn't keep track digitally

[lone flame]

no need for an amp

[green marsh]

yeah there are plenty of modern amps that can do that too

[chilly prawn]

ah yes 50hz music to my ears

watts: popped breaker

[lone flame]

3600 Watts 🙏

[green marsh]

60 hz is a superior frequency

[lone flame]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-bizzare-adventure-rohan-kishibe-i-refuse-gif-26066583

[muted imp]

Hmmm well there's an underrated topic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okIpbu1tp_A

[zenith pawn]

Bro it goes backwards from 80 to 20

Crazy technology

[dawn panther]

I only use asio drivers for competitive gaming. Seems to be best afaik

[elder thistle]

the premise at least as displayed by the first 1:15 of the video is outrageous

10ms or whatever of sound latency is nothing in the ~600ms or so of time it took him to react to that sound

the sound studies referenced also have to be limited by the kind of sounds prevented as well as calcuating the kind of reaction

there is an enormous difference between hearing a sound, realizing it's abnormal, realizing it has location, and realizing you should point to it and take some kind of action

compared to a basic sound-based reaction time test

it's garbage. and nothing is special about that first gameplay clip compared to others that demonstrate visual reaction time being irrelevant

most people could do this in near half this reaction time when equipped with the right listening skills and expectations

I do wonder what headset he was wearing though, that was cloud2+ accuracy to somewhat reliably hit this guy in the smoke

[granite drum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH2723cSejE
that (what they claim in the video as the problem) OR.... someone has discovered dithering lol

mmm verry lowlevel distortion(aka noise) is added to the lossless track ...

[green marsh]

Resampling noise go brrr

[livid ruin]

spotify sucks anyways

[elder thistle]

not that it doesn't break the validity of claiming lossless

this high-res codecs and formats shit is so frequently blamed for audio issues those people usually aren't even hearing

like have you ever listened to a standard (sbc?) bt4 stream of a file vs the actual file?

I wouldn't have known if not for my daw or media player and such

[granite drum]

ah what i was basicly saying that yes its lossless , same as adding replaygain or other even recoding from one lossless format to another , or different bithdepth.
thats why i said ... someone (the guys making the youtube vid) has discovered (what i am thinking is) dithering.
basicly questioning their whole reasoning to come at spotify for that.
also as an aside they should have done a decent comparrison with using spotify on apple , but also on linux using pipewire (wich is allot more like plugging directly into asio, so you can set the quantization e.a. on the card directly)

[white gate]

Dithering would show up on the fft as a noise floor, it wouldn't be deterministic products like what was seen there.

As mentioned in the vid, it does seem that Spotify is streaming lossless content, but providing no bitperfect output means the OS mixer is going to alter things.

On Linux with pipewire/alsa it should be fine

[sleek lily]

Noise shaped dither should appear beyond just an increased noise floor, but I have no clue how windows handles that.

Best way to test would probably be to identify at the USB data output if what bits are identifier bits and what bits are determining our amplitude for a given period and see if each sample is at the correct calculated amplitude. That'd be a bit of a pain though.

Some DAC chips have good documentation on their identifier bits for determining channel of a sample and stuff like that.

[white gate]

This isnt being measured at dac output it's measuring the direct output data from the streaming service

Also windows (and most basic tools) just use standard TPDF dither

[sleek lily]

I get that. I'm saying it'd be ideal to measure the logic at the USB output and analyze it at a digital logic level. It'd be the most conclusive means to test for any errors and what the errors are.

It could result in better insight into the issue too.

[white gate]

I'm not sure what you'd be looking to test with that, that seems to be looking at an entirely different set of potential (but extraordinarily unlikely) issues

[strange walrus]

not tech but software if thats okay. is there a better windows 11 vol mixer that i can download or just something that isnt shit or makes it not shit, the best alt i fond was ss sonar but if i im not careful when touching the smallest of things in it, it will fuck up my mic and voicemeeter

also i just reopend vol mixer to find it had shit turned down from like half a year ago AND NEVER JUST FUCKING RESET IT LIKE I SWEAR WINDOWS 10 AND OR 7 DID WHEN THE APP CLOSED

MIRCOSHIT

oh i can save my settings in voicemeeter as a file.... huh guess i can fuck around in and a see whats what more without worry

okay file yolo.xml saved LETS SEE WHAT I FUCK UP WEEEEE

[zenith pawn]

bruh

Interesting though that windows mixer isn't bit perfect?

[sleek lily]

It'd be the same data but it'd be direct analysis of if the measured value is from the digital signal changing (meaning it isn't lossless) or something else. It'd also make it easier to identify what changes.

If the issue showed up with the 10khz sound, you should only have to measure it through one full cycle to find where it's occurring and then compare that to the original file for each sample's digital value.

[sleek lily]

Windows ain't hifi enough. Try temple os

[warm scarab]

thats just voicemeeter being a piece of shit program

use it for long enough and it will one day spontaneously destroy your audio drivers permanently

[white gate]

@sleek lilyI'm very confused as to what you're wanting to measure or why you'd want to do it in such an unnecessarily complex manner

[sleek lily]

The binary digital data so you can identify what decimal value correlates with the end of each sample and identify if outside of identifier bits, the value is changing. From there, you can identify what changes and why.

[strange walrus]

uhhh voicemeeter works fine for me, its ss sonar that breaks shit

[warm scarab]

windows audio routing is super fucked

this is why voicemeeter is the only program that does this

and this is why it just randomly decides to die for no reason

[strange walrus]

the only problem i ever had with it is when WINDOWS fucking moves the output from voicemeeter to some fucking controller i plugged in AND DIDNT FUCKING TELL ME AND NOW IDK WHY I HAVE SOUND FOR 5 MINS

[strange walrus]

i yet to have it do this, tbf im using base and just got suggeted from a friend to move to banana because it has what i want

so maybe i will see that happen soon

[warm scarab]

if you are really into it and have enough money to throw at the subject

[strange walrus]

but i have been mainly using it for capture card audio control because a friend suggested it

[warm scarab]

you can go full analog

[strange walrus]

i dont have a job, i have ssi money but that isnt as flexible as i like so im limited but what i want more then doing that and rn there is a lot i rather have more then that

plus i dont live in my own place and i wanna save doing a really cool audio setup for when i have aplace of my own and can go balls to the wall

im a fucking bass head, i been daily ing skullcandys for over 10 years because i like them, audio is one of those things that unless i can go all out i just go with its " fine enough " or i know it can be better but i like it so im happy

also i know its not audio but i FUCKING LOVE the feel of the bass from crusher

makes my autistic bitch ass senses / brain or whatever very happy

[civic beacon]

Look Windows knows what's best okay? Obviously if you plug in a new device that can do sound you must of course want to use it for sound. Duh. Why would you ever want to keep using your existing sound output device? That's just dumb! You don't know better, user. /s

(I'm fully with you on how dumb this is... any non-mobile device or operating system that functions this way is frustrating.)

[strange walrus]

also idk if this is windows or voicemeeters doing but seeing as windows is SHIT AT DOING AUDIO, i like how i can have speakers plugged in the back and then when i plug earbuds into the front jack it just doesnt send audio out the speakers and only my headphones without having to move shit in settings. it makes going between the 2 really fucking easy

[broken grotto]

I just tried this and Windows switched to my IEM's plugged into my front case

I never use the front case, though.

I think the most I've had to do is switch from my speaker out (AE-9) to my USB stack by just clicking on the sound bar, and selecting the correct output device.

I almost prefer it when it lets me select which to use.

[broken grotto]

you two are just talking right past each other lmao

you can do everything you want to do with Python, @sleek lily

sniffing USB packets is a waste of your time, and also adds complexity that you really don't need.

heckers you could do it with MATLAB.

[zenith pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[sleek lily]

Yea, if he's able to do so, that's even better. Leaves nothing to guess work.

[broken grotto]

cmon, what's wrong with MATLAB?

[sleek lily]

Matlab is like a really cool calculator but it's roleplaying as a coding language

[broken grotto]

who calls programming coding

[zenith pawn]

what is actually wrong with simply anecdotally capturing the audio via OS

[sleek lily]

Super based and useful though

[zenith pawn]

and them comparing it

[broken grotto]

that's what you use MATLAB For.

it can do all of that analysis for you.

[zenith pawn]

golden uses DeltaWave

in MATLAB you gotta write it yourself

[sleek lily]

Matlab is actually super useful.

I need to practice it more tbh

[zenith pawn]

unless somebody already has which I'd be surprised

[broken grotto]

yeah, but MATLAB makes it much easier to do further analysis, im not sure what Deltawave has additionally.

it may be able to do whatever you want it to do, not sure.

[zenith pawn]

Idk what biooc wants to do exactly

[broken grotto]

That.

[sleek lily]

Just compare the original file to the new one as digital signal analysis

That way you can see if the difference is due to changed values or something else, and if so, what changed.

Cause the other guy suggested it's possibly just dither.

[zenith pawn]

Why go all the way to USB, do you suspect there's error in capturing from the OS

[sleek lily]

Just because I wasn't sure what coding experience he has.

[broken grotto]

sniffing raw USB packets won't tell you anything you can't learn far more easily by just doing a DNT at the OS.

[sleek lily]

But I know he has the audio analyzer scope thing

[civic beacon]

This isn't a Windows setting per se - many audio drivers / applications (I'm talking the manufacturer of the chipset, like RealTek for example) automatically assume you don't want audio output from anything other than headphones once you plug something into the front panel. Again, I feel your pain, but it's not a Windows thing.

[broken grotto]

I have zero clue what the heck he means by per-sample "identifier bits,"

didn't know we were using CAN bus for audio

[sleek lily]

Because you'll have a few bits between each sample that just tell the dac which channel the data goes to afaik

You don't want to calculate those into the decimal value

[broken grotto]

the dac isn't looking at flags between samples.

the host obeys the format the dac wants. the DAC's firmware knows what it's being sent.

you have packet headers at the USB protocol level, and descriptors at connection time.

if you sniff the USB traffic, all you'll see is packet headers and a block of audio words. the only thing inside those words is amplitude data, and possible padding.

[white gate]

But again, you don't need to be analysing the USB bus to do this.....

[sleek lily]

Idk, I remember reading some ess datasheets and seeing portions on little identifiers to describe which channel each sample goes to. Could be non standard or I could even be remembering wrong. Digital side isnt my favorite tbh.

[zenith pawn]

What are you looking to find out, just learn about how USB audio works?

Otherwise the way its encoded doesn't really mean anything

[broken grotto]

you don't, and it's completely pointless.

[white gate]

You're trying to analyse how fast a car can go by sticking probes in the cylinders and looking at the pressure, RPM etc rather than just seeing how fast the car moves forward....

[zenith pawn]

I could connect to a website via TCP, or via QUIC. It doesn't matter which one I'm using because the http messages are what matter

[sleek lily]

Presumably what caused the measured difference between the platforms

[zenith pawn]

it's not happening at the USB level

[white gate]

I use MATLAB for a lot of other stuff, incl doing FFTs at 256 bit precision etc for really niche stuff.
But for this there's literally no point 😛

[white gate]

exactly

the fact alone that Qobuz and Tidal got bitperfect results shows there's no issue there

[broken grotto]

I default to matlab because that's what i've used for 15 years.

it's just a tool that I pretty much know how to do whatever I want.

either way, though.

[white gate]

This is about the I2S/I2C input logic, nothing to do with USB

[sleek lily]

My point is, if at every sample out digital output is giving us the correct decimal output, then it's good. However, if we see any time x thing happens something changes, we can identify what's being changed and why.

[broken grotto]

hold on

wait

you did the cardinal sin of DSP

[zenith pawn]

There's many layers in the digital chain, we don't have to go the very end (USB) to measure if the losses are happening somewhere far upstream (in windows mixing APIs, if I understand correctly)

[broken grotto]

nevermind

almost thought i read time somewhere and was about to flip lmao

[white gate]

570dB stopband attenuation lets go 😛

[broken grotto]

I just think he likes using hardware

[zenith pawn]

That is a good point

[broken grotto]

which is funny since in systems engineering, if that's what his interest lies in, you rarely really do that. 90% of the time it's simulation in MATLAB.

the last 10% is validation with hardware.

[zenith pawn]

most of the time is spent hating active directory

[broken grotto]

lmao

[sleek lily]

No, just talking about per sample. If there are no flags then it should make things even easier though.

My discord is messed up

Or my wifi

Or both

[zenith pawn]

I think whatever flags you're talking about are just an implementation detail of how USB audio messages work?

[elder thistle]

whats this part mean? if something is lossless why is it not bitperfect, and what does this have to do with windows mixer?

hmm...

[sleek lily]

I think it may have had to do with dsd

[elder thistle]

no I dont think I've encountered windows changing lossless audio irreversably when lossless is played back, recorded at a lower mixer volume than 100, then null tested

should double check

[white gate]

Basically they're streaming lossless audio to the spotify client itself, but then the spotify client has no way to output bitperfect audio to your DAC, so it's no longer truly lossless once it leaves the client itself

[broken grotto]

Fwiw I knew immediately what you were saying in your video

Did a good job explaining it methinks

[molten wasp]

Hi there, right now I have the B660m gaming x ax ddr4 and I'm about to get the ASRock B850M-X R2.0, they have different sound CODEC, will I feel and difference in sound?

[strange walrus]

My system labels anything i plug in as realtek speakers so probably

Well like 90% of things plugged into a jack

[broken grotto]

probably not.

[warm scarab]

no

[elder thistle]

if spotify couldn't set bitperfect(?) audio to the dac, why can spotify produce sound at all?

aside from audio going through windows inherently being bitperfect if the sample rate is the same and there aren't any effects

I don't really know why it needs to be called bitperfect once the audio is recieved by the spotify app

[broken grotto]

Windows, (or any OS, for that matter,) resamples audio, it may change bit depth or round values. The resampling filter also can cause bad stuff.

you also have clock jitter, sometimes.

It won't match the original spotify exactly. Even with no obvious distortion, resampling could add subtle filtering artifacts or rounding errors. "bit perfect," just means that you're bypassing the resampling and making sure the DAC gets hte exact same samples as spotify gave you.

it's my understanding that spotify does not bypass, while Tidal and the other one do.

I don't use spotify because it's more expensive than Tidal, and I have YT premium so i don't really have a need for spotify but

[elder thistle]

I mean if the sample rate's the same and all

[broken grotto]

it's still unlikely that it matches perfectly if being passed through the windows resampler.

[elder thistle]

there is no resampling involved in this case

[broken grotto]

yes, it won't resample, but it still runs through every stage. there's no guarantee it matches.

this is a very common problem in many DSP applications.

[elder thistle]

yeah but this is windows directsound, it works a certain way and we can account for that

[broken grotto]

if you need your samples bit-perfect, you must bypass the processing path alltogether, which spotify does not do to my understanding.

it isn't a raw-pass through

you cannot call it bit-perfect unless you bypass the mixer entirely.

[elder thistle]

why is this a must? it's routine to record system audio and use it for sound design and null tests and such

[broken grotto]

transparent versus non transparent paths.

even if you pass it through something that should in theroy not change it, it still might.

thus it is not bit-perfect.

windows mixer is a non-transparent path.

[elder thistle]

so it's just a certification of what kind of signal path it went through, not if the audio's actually bitperfect?

[broken grotto]

more or less.

in practice, in my 15 years of system design i've never seen a non-transparent path result in bit perfect operation

[elder thistle]

I have test files on my pc somewhere demonstrating an absolute null and full transparency of windows directsound

will make another one if I can't find it

[broken grotto]

the only way that it's possible in my view is the following:

• the app, mixer, and DAC are all running at the same sample rate/bit depth
• NO system sounds or other streams are being mixed
• all DSP enhancements, volume scaling, and effects are disabled.

[elder thistle]

at any rate, I really don't like the naming of bitperfect audio. it's misleading if it's a certification of signal path

they could just call it directsound, which is what it goes through

it's sounding like spotify is essentially lacking an asio driver unlike tidal and the others

[broken grotto]

do apps even use direct sound anymore?

I thought they depricated it for WASAPI now

because directsound was absolutely NOT bitperfect lmao

[elder thistle]

I didn't know those were two different things

[broken grotto]

it's a layer on top of WASAPI i believe

[elder thistle]

windows audio devices in fl studio are listed as directsound

[broken grotto]

but they made a number of improvements to it

WASAPI has exclusive mode, enabling bitperfect.

i believe it's also interrupt driven

it was introduced with like windows vista iir

[broken grotto]

this could actually help with the bit-perfect part getting it super close, but not bitperfect.

that would help keep the app/hardware clocks aligned, along with a lower chance of buffer under/over to force fixes.

ie, in RTDSP you'll see interrupt driven processing most commonly.

without interrupts you're polling constantly, wasting CPU cycles.

[broken grotto]

lots of times stuff is listed that way for compatibility and the sake of people being comfortable with the naming.

also windows does a pretty bad job changing that stuff lol

does FL studio not do exclusive mode?

because if it can't ,then there's no guarantee with what you hear when producing is the same as what's in your project.

[white gate]

Because OS mixer isn't bitperfect.

Tidal, qobuz, roon, DAWs, Amazon music (kinda), all have exclusive mode outputs to provide bitperfect output. Spotify doesn't

[white gate]

Windows os mixer isn't bitperfect even when not resampling. All the examples/tests in the vid were without resampling.

With resampling things can get worse

[white gate]

Directsound is deprecated now

[molten wasp]

Chatgpt (I know he is mostly dumb) said I might have a "hissss" and white noise in the background

[broken grotto]

yeaaa don't trust most of that. there's so much more to just "being a motherboard," that you really won't know until you try.

even something as stupid as a noisy power supply can couple into it, might not be the motherboard.

noisy VRM's for the CPU

I think I had a laptop back in the day where idle, I had no hiss from the audio jack but when it started working hard it did lol

[molten wasp]

Tbh I hardly hear anything from my pc, it based most of his claim is n that it doesn't have a sound guard or whatever gigabyte calls it and the CODEC on the asrock board is entry level

[broken grotto]

it's a motherboard. if you're buying it for the audio quality, then you're shopping for the wrong specs

I 'member when mobos didnt' have on board audio!

[hallow coral]

Does anyone have a mic recommendation for less than 100usd been looking at the hyperx solocast 2

[elder thistle]

so I did a quick test and got this for my null. exclusive mode was turned off, I played a source file in vlc media player, set windows volume to 100, and recorded it with the loopback 1-2 audio device in audacity, which is just a software feature

it is patterned noise in the last bit of the 16 bit pcm null

amplified 80db there

I'm not sure what this is. last-bit means a lot of possible causes are on the table

it doesn't sound like dithering

[lean grove]

samson q2u or audio technica atr 2100x

use remaining budget on a desk mouted boom arm

[supple robin]

Fifine am8

[molten wasp]

Nothing crazy like studio production, I just really focus on the small things in music and I can notice flat sound or static white noise (but everyone can hear the white noise)

[frosty ocean]

I'm looking for a audio cable to go from my PC to my PC speakers. It won't be inserted very often(about 3 times a year maybe). I just need a good cable. Is there anything specific I should look for? Like guage or material?

[lone flame]

https://tenor.com/view/ohh-my-pccc-lag-gif-16039929481005011244

[sleek lily]

Biostar forever on top

[verbal fog]

it depends what you need

they make many audio cables

[frosty ocean]

Is this AI?

[frosty ocean]

What I need is, an audio cable to go from my PC to my PC speakers. It won't be inserted very often(about 3 times a year maybe). I just need a good cable. Is there anything specific I should look for? Like guage or material?

[broken grotto]

lmao just repeat the ambigious question

what kind of cable do you need?

3.5mm? 4.4mm? speaker wire? XLR?

guage or material is dictated by the cable your purchasing, but first you need to know what cable you need in the first place.

for all we know you're running speakers with some mil-spec 8 pin connector

[frosty ocean]

3.5

either 3 or 4 lead should be fine

[verbal fog]

nuh uh

[verbal fog]

probably uh the end of the cable first

[frosty ocean]

Both the PC and the PC Speaker use TRS 3.5mm Phono jacks

have for about 50 years

[verbal fog]

hmm mmk then youll want a 3.5 to 3.5 cable

make sure it has at least 3 segments per end

uh hm what else

anything else should be fine just pick a good length

[frosty ocean]

Should I try to find a solid core copper lead?

[frosty ocean]

3 feet?

[verbal fog]

3 feet is a good length

[verbal fog]

if you want uh i dont know if that makes it work better but its an option

[frosty ocean]

copper clad aluminum?

[verbal fog]

metal

copper or aluminum should work fine

[frosty ocean]

Cat5 cable?

[verbal fog]

youd need the right adapter but i think that should work

it would need to adapt and un-adapt properly though

but they make PoE im sure that ethernet could handle some audio across its wires

buying a 3.5 to 3.5 would be cheaper and easier though

[verbal fog]

also man realistic minimus 7s with 12oz cans as stands is a solid move

(pov the sound is beautiful)

[lone flame]

That Desktop...

[frosty ocean]

There would be no ethernet involved, just cat5

[frosty ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382801814547988481/1379904753122803793/20250604_122827.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382801814547988481/1379905134309544106/20250604_123008.jpg

[sleek lily]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/003811019500098E

I was doing some research into what causes the beta value of a BJT to fluctuate and found this article.

[strange lark]

i'm looking for a cheap but effective Bluetooth Gaming headset.

i just bought a UGreen USB Bluetooth adapter for my PC.

my budget is $50 USD.

[broken grotto]

Do they not cover this in semiconductor physics?

[steel escarp]

I have lost my last shred of sanity as audiofool

Im now making a vintage tube collection

[stuck bolt]

Guys..... new mic came in

[steel escarp]

good mic

@stuck bolt go boost that thing's bass

and tone down the treble a touch, its a bit sibilant

[stuck bolt]

Will keep that in mind.

I haven't gotten the time to listen to it as yet

[steel escarp]

EQ profile:```
Preamp: -6.0 dB
Filter 1: ON LSC Fc 57 Hz Gain 6.73 dB Q 0.467
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 3342 Hz Gain 1.49 dB Q 2.204
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 5012 Hz Gain 1.73 dB Q 3.411
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 8398 Hz Gain -6.69 dB Q 1.127
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 15422 Hz Gain -1.97 dB Q 1.414

@stuck bolt

here you go my dude

I extracted the measurements from the graph

[stuck bolt]

Whaaa

[steel escarp]

and created a good sounding EQ profile from it

[stuck bolt]

Well, I cam use this as a baseline

I got a recording session Sunday so I'll try it out

[steel escarp]

you can upload the measurements to something like https://peqdb.com/studio/. the GUI lets you very easily EQ yourself

[steel escarp]

good luck, lemme know how it went

[stuck bolt]

Appreciate it.

[steel escarp]

I may have spent 20 minutes figuring out how to extract the measurements from the graph

[stuck bolt]

You learn something new everyday

[steel escarp]

yeah, I kinda forgot the x axis is logarithmic instead of linear, that was funny

[dusk gulch]

Great 2000s youtube headphones

Not that many uses outside of that tbf

[steel escarp]

that thing is barely alive

@lean grove I had some time with the new HE600 and Edition XV, als othe Ananda Unveiled
Ananda Unveiled: Sounded pretty bright, a lot staged behind you, honestly wouldn't recommend it
HE600: The headband on this thing has really tight clampforce if your head is too big. its only gonna work for medium to smaller heads. If you do wear it with a big head, the pads will compress a lot and your ears will touch the mesh that is up against the driver. and the mesh has a relatively sharp feeling to it. In terms of sound, its basically a mini susvara, just a touch less bass, but on the flip side, the treble was even smoother.
Edition XV: This one took me a second before it sounded normal. Its rather warm, especially for a Hifiman. Honestly I enjoyed listening to these the most. The fit and comfort on it is fine. I just wish the vocals were a little more forward after they went for a darker tuning. This headphone has really good bass. I think a lot of people will like it.

[kind hawk]

https://a.co/d/jjdUcsf

Is this good

[lean grove]

You can save some money by getting this instead.

https://drop.com/buy/massdrop-sennheiser-hd6xx

It's largely the same but for almost $100 less.

[broken grotto]

but but but but that says drop

[steel escarp]

the hd600 and hd6xx are a completely different tuning, the only common thing is they both lack bass

[tepid torrent]

most differences largely disappear with pad wear

which youd know if youve ever used a 6x0 for more than a day cough

[steel escarp]

wait wtf, wasn't hd600 brighter?

[tepid torrent]

lmao

whether the pads were worn or not isnt disclosed #nooticing

[steel escarp]

well I guess I was wrong, my bad

[tepid torrent]

allg lmao

just that the quirks on the 6x0 stuff is superr obvious if you use them lols

[tepid torrent]

the only realistic difference is that 650 tends to rolloff less sharply

but ig you can tell that from response graphs

[steel escarp]

I had a hd650 at one point, I didn't really like the lack of treble

[tepid torrent]

also post 2021 pads are brighter

ive noticed

[tepid torrent]

thats fair

tbh thats one of the things that attract me to it

i tend to be more sensitive to lower treble

[steel escarp]

Edition XV is really good if you want something warmer

[tepid torrent]

i tried edition xv

and despite it supposed to be less bright

i honestly prefered he600

just cus it was more fun lol

edition xv sounded quite limp to me

[steel escarp]

oh yeah he600 was good, but the headband was like nearly breaking with how far I had to stretch it to put it on my large head

[tepid torrent]

i still like xs over it tho ime

over xv i mean

[steel escarp]

I tried it on an amplifier that costs like 18k

[tepid torrent]

the xs over xv to be clear

[steel escarp]

so idk how it is on something more budget friendly

[tepid torrent]

i think its honest to try new headphones on a apple dongle lmao

[steel escarp]

it is pretty hard to drive, hrader than the edition xs

[steel escarp]

nah that'd be unfair in this case

he600 is really easy to power

[tepid torrent]

i mean its just more applicable to most people

not everyone is as willing to drop as much money on their chain as the headphones

[steel escarp]

you think people are gonna run an 800 dollar headphone off an apple dongle?

[tepid torrent]

thats not what im saying at all

im saying that the lower end of source gear is more applicable to the average joe

cus not everyone has 1k+ to drop on source gear

or they might have but arent as willing

and rather spend that on their transducers

[steel escarp]

that is like getting an 8K monitor whilst using a GTX 1050

[tepid torrent]

you can still display high res images whilst on that 1050

you can get a basic idea of how it would be

obviously it wouldnt be ideal

[unique wind]

the nothing headphones are dookie butt

[gilded current]

yes

[high widget]

1. If it's saved up allowance rather than personal income, 100%. Probably a wrong example to give, but back in my college days i've had a somewhat up to date PC (8700K/1070 in 2019) with a 24" TN monitor that i've managed to get for $10.
2. Even now, having disposable income and owning a couple of nice headphones, i just refuse to go over 250mW on 4.4 (125 on 3.5, so ~90db@120ohm is the most stubborn headphone BTR15 would reasonably be able to drive), otherwise i'll end up dabbling in room acoustics and going broke in no time

[broken grotto]

also not to mention, sometimes you just wanna sit on the sofa and listen to your headphones

I absolutely use expensive headphones on the couch right from the macbook

[high widget]

100%, vacuuming the house in DT 770s connected to iphone 5S-sized DAP in the back pocket is both fun and extremely funny

also people make rituals out of turning on their equipment and generally listening to music, and i just don't get that

i get having nice stuff and actively using it, but at some point it just becomes tech worship

[broken grotto]

I have a schiit stack that i just turn on

and listen

i care more about the moosic than I do the equipment mostly of the time

[zenith pawn]

macbook has good output though to be fair

[broken grotto]

still has the opposite vibe to using a 1.2 kilobuck audio stack with pure silver cables dusted by the dust of a fairie

[lean grove]

Our friend grey is under the impression that you're not getting the full potential of your headphones if you're not using equivalently priced source equipment.

[broken grotto]

sometimes I drive 2 kilobuck headphones from my schiit stack.

Sometimes i drive $20 iems'

[lean grove]

so if you have a pair of $800 headphones, you are doing them a disservice if you're using them with a budget dac/amp

[broken grotto]

should I get dressed like it's white tie, too?

gloves and shoulderless?

[lean grove]

only if they're expensive

[broken grotto]

very

Woven from mulberry silk, lined with velvet, and embroidered with enough gold to make a pirate jealous

[lean grove]

because things can only be good if they're expensive

i dont make the rules, pal 🙄

if they're cheap then that means everyone has them and since everyone is an idiot, they must therefore not be good

thats just the way things are

[lean grove]

what does fast audio equipment look like

[broken grotto]

it's mostly talking about manufacturing

you can have a good product that takes little time to make, good product that's cheap, or fast and cheap.

but not all three.

[lean grove]

before this gets out of hand, i was being saracstic here.

[lean grove]

this absolutely does exist in the audio world though, contrary to what some people say.

[broken grotto]

yeah, it exists in pretty much any product category

[lean grove]

ehhhh.... i wouldnt say any

[broken grotto]

that's really one of the guiding principles of product development

[high widget]

i had bluetooth headphones from a certain powerbank brand. They suddenly died. And i got a very convenient promotion at work.
So i just started researching, which relatively light, affordable and portable cans i'd be able to find that i'd like the sound of.
A year later here i am with a spare monitor acting as a headphone stand with FT1, DT 770PX, X2HR and very used K371. And now i'm eyeing up some planar-magnetics.
That's how it usually goes, doesn't it?
Tho tbf i've started trying to whip up some tracker music, so maybe it's not a waste after all

[broken grotto]

honestly I started with HD600's

then bought the stack

then bought Audeze

and the HD600's I originally just used one of those creative USB headphone amplifier/dac things because it moved my headphone jack closer to my desk

I do love Audeze headphones tho

[high widget]

i'm kinda thinking of finding a user pair of elevator music simulator MDR-7509s just to laugh at them

[broken grotto]

waited like three months for my LCD2's because i didn't realize they're production run based

bought them, forgot about it, they randomly showed up

[high widget]

Dankpods influence?

[broken grotto]

more or less, yea

originally with him it was actually Meze, he showed off the... Rei Penta's I think

IEM's

[high widget]

understandable, though still funny

[broken grotto]

and I bought the Rei Solo's, the cheaper IEM's they made and I used the heck out of those

bought the HD600's later on because I wanted headphones instead of IEM's

[high widget]

i tried like $20-30 IEMs and ended up giving them away
I won't ever understand the ergonomics of behind-the-ear cable

also aren't 600s realistically dry and boring as hell?

Tho given how surprised i was at 770PX, i could be wrong
On the other hand, 770P/32 sounded way more bland than 770PX

[broken grotto]

i mean, they're very very flat

they're reference headphones, no flavour included like the food people cook in the midwest

[high widget]

try bri*ish

[broken grotto]

basically the same thing

ya ever heard of salt and pepper ppl

anyway

[broken grotto]

the ergonomics is more of a stage thing I think

[high widget]

would be interesting to compare 600s to R70x or something like that side by side

[broken grotto]

normally you have those IEM packs at the back for stage monitoring, so the behind the hear naturally will lay across your back to the hip pack

I don't really have any issues with the behind the ear cable worn normally tho

[high widget]

i've managed to score 5 boxes of ATH-CKR7s and 3 boxes of CKM77s for like $25, i'm honestly set for life with in-ears

[high widget]

it's not even the cable itself, it's how it wrangles the earphone around tbf

i just for the life of me couldn't get a good seal

plus, IEMs like this are way bulkier and heavier than regular earphones, the ears just start aching after a while

[high widget]

meanwhile the only discomfort i experience wearing decent cans is mild pressure below the ears

[high widget]

and these are way more comfortable than even some wireless earbuds i have

[broken grotto]

I have the opposite problem

I can't get a good fit with wireless earphones

[high widget]

yea, only Airpod Pro-styled shallow fit ones hold well in my ears

stem 100% necessary

[broken grotto]

even those don't cooperate

[elder thistle]

are you sure about that

I think it's the opposite. when a good driver becomes mass produced or I guess produced quickly, it becomes cheapp

there are a lot of clone m50x drivers floating around out there, as well as superfun and probably a bunch of others

this is what's exciting about the budget headphone market

[broken grotto]

in my time working in product development, yes, this is generally the case. Bear in mind that it isn't a one-size fits all, some things just cost a lot to produce. (for example, one project was designed for use in medical devices, which was absolutely not cheap even if we tried to make it cheap lol).

Secondly, it's worth mentioning that what you say isn't necessarily false. At lower product volumes, you can spend more on the product because it's smaller volumes; it's more expensive anyway. At higher volumes, you try to minimize cost.

3 cents per unit at 300 units is nothing compared to 3 cents per unit at 3,000,000 units.

[broken grotto]

this kinda states my point though

you traded good for cheap and fast.

you can pick good and cheap,

or you can pick good and fast.

however, with that being said, economies of scale exist as well

wherein you have the tooling/setup cost become basically nothing, supplies giving better deals, and optimization of manufacturing can drive pricing low.

but ask yourself, if a company can reduce the price because they optimize the production runs, will they?

[high widget]

A friend of mine unironically uses a $130 knockoff DT 900PX for critical work, so i'm guessing decently cloned Stellar 45s are out there already too

[high widget]

Reasonable one actually would. Publically traded one? Hell no.

[elder thistle]

no, I mean it is good

at least for me it outdoes the 2nd gen 560s resolution-wise

and it's $30-50 for such a headphone

economies of scale and the things being out for maybe 15 years has made this tech very cheap

similar story with dac's and the apple dongle kind of being the start of it

now we have tons of transparent near-endgame dac's for a couple bucks

these unbranded dongles didn't take the same kind of time to design

[broken grotto]

Yea

I will say that most of that is built on the shoulders of giants

[zenith pawn]

what if they just do graphic design

🤔

[lone flame]

i ran a 2000 dollar Headphone off European Apple Dongle 😄

(probably costs 2K cuz of import Tax)

and if im absolutly honest
it was uh just quieter than my Stack

it didn't really sounded "off" or different

and even with "placebo" i really counldn't tell a difference

(that should be normal for transparent DAC/AMPs)

[lone flame]

look at Micro Chips
like CPU's etc 😄

[elder thistle]

yup

[tepid torrent]

@lean grove at 300 dollars would you take a dx5 over a mimir?

[steel escarp]

Get a second hand chord mojo 2 for 300

[tepid torrent]

i dont want a chord mojo

[high widget]

From what i understand, nice DACs mostly affect the extremes of the frequency spectrum (e.g. better resolution and punch in ≤150hz region), which does matter to me, but most of the people i convinced to do blind listening runs, switching inputs between a Thinkpad X1 Yoga and BTR15, don't notice the difference

[green marsh]

but did you get someone to do blind testing on yourself

[high widget]

Yeah
And i'd say i've gotten, perceptually, way lesser rolloff on the lows (maybe +1.5-2db@≤50hz compared to smashing them out of the X1) and more bitey 8-12khz range (same loudness, more detail, therefore sharper-sounding).
The the difference is the most noticeable with DT 770PXs and almost imperceptible on X2HR, so i don't quite know what to make of it

Also i mostly listen to electronic/heavily processed tracks, so usually having more oomf matters emotionally

I'd bet it makes almost n0 difference with instrumental genres

[green marsh]

hmm interesting

[high widget]

Also most doesn't mean all, out of 11 friends 2 with music preferences similar to mine noticed the difference too

I'd say there's no sense in overpaying for a DAC, but just having a nice bang-for-the buck one (maybe with a decent amp to go along with it if you plan to drive a 470 ohm ATH-R70xa or something equally "stupid"/studio-grade depending on who you ask) makes sense. And also unlike the things that actually produce sound, having just one DAC/amp combo for each usecase (e.g. starionary+on the move) is enough

[green marsh]

the rx70xa arent that hard to drive

theyre quite sensitive

but yeah

[high widget]

Compared to R50x, any of what i have or, well, most of prosumer market, they kinda are though? At least they would require a USB audio card, instead of letting you get away with a portable source for ≈100db without maxing it out

[high widget]

I mean, DAPs with enough juice do exist, but they're as portable as that Acer 21" laptop with dual 1080s
More correct term to use would be "battery-powered" or "transportable"

[green marsh]

nah

they literally only need 20mw of power

aint hard to run at all

and thats to get 110 db

[high widget]

470ohm/97db sensitivity
Really?

[green marsh]

yes

[high widget]

Wait, does output power scale non-linearky with software volume changes then?

[green marsh]

high ohms = less current necesary to get same power

volume is just non linear in general

[high widget]

I'm just trying to comprehed the fact it's usually comfortable for me to run 770PX at 40-56% from BTR15, while i have to max out the MBP 13 '18 and it's just enough

Does it have to do with output voltage then?

[green marsh]

yeah

[high widget]

Well, higher output voltage is not usually available on portable sources, so a desktop amp would be a requirement either way

[sharp bay]

Hey, I thought I had a mobo with SPDIF, but apparently not. Is there a way to convert it and still have 5.1 audio?

[green marsh]

most portable sources are able to do at least 1v which is enough to output a max of 100db on the r70xa in this example

and many can do 2v

on unbalanced

[lone flame]

not really

a DAC is just a DAC.
it translated Binary to Analogue sound

and if its Transparent. it should sound somwewhat the same

there are probably other aspects that can affect the sound. but probably due to either good build and good components or just a shit build

more punch in 150hz?
Why should that be a thing

[high widget]

I'd actually imagine it has to do with integrated laptop DAC being bad rather than wise versa, 'cause the Macbook has those same 1-2db as the X1 with BTR15. Maybe has to do with iutput power headroom too. Maybe also Realtek chip being more tightly integrated into the system and Windows' audio stack being shit

[sleek lily]

I'd say the dacs actually have a lot of variance in how accurately they can recreate the input tbh. They can usually maintain a linear response very well though, so I wouldn't say that's a big factor personally.

Whenever I measure DAC outputs, they have more variance than almost any amps in the waveform shape when recreating the same input.

[lone flame]

the dt 770 pro x has 48 Ohm
maybe your laptops output impedance is pretty high and it colorized the headphones sound

[zenith pawn]

just go to audiosciencereview and that's all you need to know about DACs 👍

[warm scarab]

uh

how do we tell him

[elder thistle]

more resolving, probably. x2hr could destroy the treble information that's slightly changed by a dac

it would line up with what I've been told about both headphones

[green marsh]

Wouldnt that do the opposite tho

He said the laptop sounds with less bass

[lone flame]

idk the impedance curve of the headphone

or the output impedance

idk how it would change the sound

also idk if the Volume was even the same

btw nice Ado PfP

[green marsh]

Its a dynamic driver headphone

With no active circuitry

Its either flat or has a bass bump

[lone flame]

maybe the Laptop outputs FR isn't flat

and has a crazy bass rolloff
can never know

[green marsh]

Then that wouldnt have anything to do with impedance

[lone flame]

that's why i said "maybe" there

because idk

[sleek lily]

Dynamic drivers are probably the most inductive standard architecture for speakers. That inherently means the impedance (which is your reactance and resistance combined) will be frequency dependent.

[broken grotto]

any driver will have frequency dependent impedance. because it's a real thing with mass, and some kind of electrical element. The only thing that changes is the form of that dependence.

primarily, the impedance curve != the frequency response. the impedance only tells you how the driver looks electrically to the amplifier across a range of frequency. The frequency response tells you the acoustic output, which is shaped by the diaphragm geometry, damping, enclosure, porting, etc etc.

you'll never see a perfectly flat impedance curve on a real driver.

(someone say... crossover!?)

[rare hamlet]

Well I did it; i ordered a Bravia 9 85 inch. Now I need to decide on THE sound system. I have a HTA 7000 with SSW5 combo from sony but thats going into the bedroom with my old 55 inch A80K.

What do yall suggest between sony theatre quad, sonos arc ultra (with subs and surrounds)?

[civic beacon]

If you're already invested in Sonos multi room audio solution, or are looking to go that route, go Sonos. Everything has its faults, Sonos included, but we've overall been happy with dual Play One's as surrounds and a Sonos Beam (gen2) for our soundbar. I'd love to have gone with an Arc ... If we had the space for it, as they sound amazing for their size.

[rare hamlet]

nothing sonos except for a beam I use on my PC

[civic beacon]

If you don't want a multi room audio setup, then you could certainly go with something else (cheaper?) like whatever Sony offers these days.

[rare hamlet]

yeah multi room isnt the priority

living room music listening and atmos movies are priority

RARE living room gaming

even sold my PS5 for a panasonic blu ray player

[civic beacon]

Oh nice, actually I hadn't thought of that use case. We went Sonos because during the summer I unpair the 2 Play One speakers from being surrounds and move them to the back deck outside.

[rare hamlet]

Yeah i wanted to use it and I have spdif on my old soundblaster thats been a champion. Makes PC games sound lovely when im tired of my headphones

But stuck between sonos and sony theatre quads bc I can use my SW5 sub I already own and the bravia 9 as a center channel

[civic beacon]

Oh well if you already have a partial existing setup, and this is primarily for movies, complete it!

[rare hamlet]

I think youre right; honestly sonos full setup open bx would be about 2k on best buy and I can get an open box quad for 1900

[sleek lily]

Sorry if it came across as me saying only dynamics have reactive elements, but what I meant was that they will usually have more inductance and won't have a flat impedance.

[misty forum]

What would be a good set of bluetooth, over-ear earbuds for under 100$
Us, would prefer not iems

[wheat moss]

over-ear

earbuds

[sharp bay]

Is there a to spdif sound card or adapter for under 20 bucks?

[sharp bay]

Does someone know if that one is good?

[elder thistle]

it exists

idk read the reviews. it'll tell you more than I can

[misty forum]

I meant the ones that loop over your ear to hold them in lol

[elder thistle]

what

which? objectively speaking, things that loop over your ear are called "iems" by popular culture, and that is called an earhook (part of a cable)

headphones are something that projects sound onto most or all of your ear geometry

these have a headband that arcs over your head

[misty forum]

Like these

Sry its late im bad at words

[elder thistle]

these are wireless iems of sorts

what would be the cable is now more structural and thicker than a wire

IEM stands for "in-ear monitor"

a kind of earbud stage performers/musicians would often use to hear what they were doing but not have the earbuds fly out of their ears

that's where the earhook cable design came in

in the last 10 years this design has been bastardized by hifi earbuds. not intended for stage performance monitoring, but intended to not fall out of the ears

[misty forum]

Ah
Sry, im used to iem as a general term for in ear buds

[elder thistle]

something that rests on the surface of your ears or goes over your ears entirely are called headphones

the former is on-ear, the latter is over-ear

supraaural vs circumaural, respectively

most headphones mentioned here are going to be circumaural/over-ear

they seal around the sides of your head, around your ears

[warm scarab]

jackson stfu

[warm scarab]

the only ones i know worth buying are bt adapters you can use to turn wired iems into wireless

but i doubt thats what you are asking for

[misty forum]

I mean that could work, just depends how good they are for the money

[warm scarab]

they have some gimmicks that turn a lot of end users down like generally having a really shitty mic and no anc

nice that you can make any generic wired iem tws though

[elder thistle]

can you draw what kind of product you are looking for

[broken grotto]

Its fine, just trying to avoid people jumping to conclusions

[broken grotto]

anc needs to be done well, and frankly a lot of TWS iems don't do it that well

my most used pair of TWS headphones are the noble audio fokus mystique, no ANC but still have plenty of passive noise isolation.

[warm scarab]

no it literally doesnt do anc its the adapter shit

[broken grotto]

I guess my point is I'd rather not have ANC if it's gonna be half-baked like so many of those adapters are sometimes

[warm scarab]

but its not half baked it doesn't exist 😭

[sleek lily]

Then you need to make it

[broken grotto]

yeah, that's what I'm getting at. They don't have ANC, which is a good thing imho

[warm scarab]

possible but too high effort

[broken grotto]

even since like, some higher-end earphones have pretty meh ANC

[warm scarab]

not about cost

because space travel exists

[broken grotto]

they're ok

for the money they're pretty good

[warm scarab]

they cost 20$

lol

[sleek lily]

Space travel is cheaper than I remember 😭

[warm scarab]

maybe 30$ idk

[broken grotto]

yeah they're cheap as heck, i bought a few and keep them in my bag

[sleek lily]

Nasa is going all out with this one

[broken grotto]

I also admit that I don't really get the earhook vibe, and I have the... moondrop evo and then the FiiO one

they're ok, but I wanted to use them for meetings and the mic is just........ straight up awful.

[sleek lily]

Super off topic, but have y'all ever seen blue origin give speeches? I swear, it's a cult.

[broken grotto]

means i go back to my other schiit

.... i love that brand

[broken grotto]

i mean

bezos

enough said

[sleek lily]

Yea

They go on and on about how great bezos is

[misty forum]

I dont really need either although anc would be nice considering theyre not in ears
Might need to expand my budget but we'll see
My current crapoleum still lives though the base's battery is ass now

[icy temple]

Whats a good pair of speakers for a desktop setup?

Location : India
Gaming + Office Use

[lean grove]

iloud micro monitors are pretty good

[white gate]

At what price

[icy temple]

I was thinking 5 to 8k INR
Day 1 of research not fixated.

I starting from looking at pebble v3 thinking I should consider 1 or 2 leagues up to get better audio quality

[white gate]

Unfortunately at that price there are not many great options 🙁

Headphones are quite likely a better choice

[icy temple]

Edifier range? R33bt seems an option at 6k inr amazon

But cheapest of the edifier lot so im not sure

[zenith pawn]

how do u keep interplanetary rockets in your bag

i wanna do some space travel

[broken grotto]

listen to ai generated space music

with the moondrop space travel 2

[zenith pawn]

ai generated music 🥀

[broken grotto]

that's all those youtube playlists are now

it's getting impossibly hard to find "vibe," music that isn't ai generated.

and even if they tell you it's AI music, I recently had some art made by an "artist," who.. used AI.

so

[zenith pawn]

solution: listen to old music

[broken grotto]

yea, that works until it starts to suggest the same 10 songs on repeat on youtube, or completely random things that are not great

Tidal is pretty good with recs but

youtube's playlists/mixes are awful sometimes lol

[zenith pawn]

just play albums 🧌

or does it still try to suggest shit

[broken grotto]

a lot of the time I just used to go on youtube, click on some mix and let it do it's thing

in years past, it was pretty good

nowdays it's pretty awful

mostly because I want it to suggest things that are adjacent, but not the same

just.. stuff that falls into a similar category

ie, imagine going from Electric Callboy to k-pop

[lone flame]

also perfect for background music. Cuz if you do it urself. noone can Claim it 😄

[subtle cedar]

idk if this would be the right place to ask but does anyone know where i would be able to buy audio drivers for beyerdynamic headphones?

[lone gorge]

That sounds about as jarring as a broken knee

[broken grotto]

Lofi vibe music while chasing down errors in Quartus from the new computer engineer they hired

Only way to not flip the table

[broken grotto]

Aliexpress

Find the part # from beyerdynamic and cross reference

[green marsh]

From beyer

[lofty flint]

Guys for wireless headphones when I use mic it goes mono and has crappy quality. I know having separate mic works but does a headset with wireless dongle work to solve the issue

[lone flame]

your headphone is bluetooth hm?

[lofty flint]

Headset

[lone flame]

but its bluetooth right?

[lofty flint]

I am looking to buy razer barracuda it’s wireless so I wanna ask does it go to mono or be crappy when using over bluetooth

Do I solve it by using the dongle provided

[lone flame]

Cloud III WIreless S

[lofty flint]

so u mean dongle is solves it

[lone flame]

u havent answered my questrion up there

[fallow oxide]

Best headphones and microphone with boom stand for 150 CHF (188 USD) this is the mic I picked https://www.galaxus.ch/de/s1/product/sandberg-streamer-usb-microphone-kit-mikrofon-16367218 is the mic good and what are the best headphones for the remaining budget I have (96 CHF = 120 USD)?

[verbal fog]

fiio btr5 battery expanded(the battery was made in 06/22

[lone flame]

Happens

Now u have a longer lasting battery

Because it's larger now

[broken grotto]

spicy pillow

good to lay on

[terse river]

I had a dream last night where I was using my phone in the shower and the battery started expanding

[subtle cedar]

part #? uhh ok ty

[broken grotto]

that's like the modern day equiv of having a dream that you got hunted by a tiger or a shark is chasing you lol

[broken grotto]

quick google search gives beyer's parts website. https://north-america.beyerdynamic.com/spare-parts

lots of stuff out of stock, tho

[subtle cedar]

ohh

yeaa the stuff i need is out of stock, am i just better off shipping it to them so they can fix it or what lmao

[broken grotto]

could look into other vendors, just because beyer is doesn't mean one of their partners is

time for some google-fu, grasshopper

[subtle cedar]

😔

[green marsh]

its not out of stock you just email them for it

[broken grotto]

yea I dunno, was just looking

[green marsh]

yeah if nothing else beyer beats everyone else in repairability

they have spare parts for everything

[broken grotto]

that's a good thing!

[severe hare]

How much is klipsch kg 2.5 worth it?

Found it on marketplace but they are asking 300$ lol
I offered 150, and i think its too much, tho it comes with subwoofer

[fallow oxide]

Are these stuff good for gaming? Budget 120 CHF (150 USD) (I need a Mic, a mic arm and a headset)

[night plume]

sighs now I need new PC speakers as my cuirrent ones are now distorting audio badly

Looks like I am sticking to my ATH-M50x or or my bluetooth earbuds for the foreseeable future until I get a new pair of speakers

The cones themselves are fine

AKA no damge to them that I can see

[cold spindle]

Why a mic and a headset? As every headset has a mic. You could go mic and headphones. Or just a headset. If it's for gaming with friends it doesn't matter a separate mic as the headset has a mic build in

[fallow oxide]

better quality tbh

[cold spindle]

Eh tbh then why a headset just get a pair of headphones then not a headset like the akg k-361 headphones

Also doesn't look like that mic would even work on the boom arm with the way it is mounted to the included stand

Okay it would work but at that price you could just get a interface with a XLR mic and cable that will be more robust

It might be a small bit more tho not a lot more like a behinger xm8500 with a XLR cable with a um2 interface and a akg k361. For 150 euro ish from thomman.de they ship to Switzerland and include swiss taxes and duties

[fallow oxide]

Is it alot better?

[cold spindle]

The headphones are better the mic should be good enough and it also allows in the future easier upgrades. And it won't pick up your keyboard

[night plume]

Any recommended PC speakers in the $100-$150 range?

2.0(1) sets of course

Any thoughts on these? https://www.amazon.com/Creative-Computer-Subwoofer-Customizable-Bluetooth/dp/B0CT8WJJHD

[night plume]

facepalms this is s astupid price LOL https://www.newegg.com/creative-pebble-nova-wired-with-bluetooth-wireless-2-0/p/N82E16836116231

$650 basically for a speaker that retails for $280

Even creative has them on sale for $230 over that MSRP of $280

https://us.creative.com/p/speakers/creative-pebble-nova

At the moment its between the PEbble X Plus and these honestly https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09KNYBT4Q

[lone flame]

For that money. get Cloud III Wireless S

[night plume]

Can't go to big with the speakers as I already had to downgrade my secodnary monitor fro a 24" down to a 15.6" portable monitor just to fit on the "desk" I am using

Current speakers are maybe 5" wide at most

[lean grove]

Take a look at the iloud micro monitors or vanatoo t0

Also check out the Adam d3v

[night plume]

I did say I had a limit of $100-$150 @lean grove and the Adam d3v's are nearly double my max at $290 or higher

vanatoo t0 seems to be $500 LOL

and it seems the iloud is $350

So no those are all well above my range

If I had the $500 I would be buying a new GPU to replace my 3070 Ti for 1440p and VR gaming

[lean grove]

Okay buddy listen, I can't read. I only saw the picture of the $300 pebbles and made an assumption so don't get mad at me for my illiteracy okay

[night plume]

and even then the $280 are on sale for $230 and above my range honestly

[lean grove]

You might be able to find some old Klipsch pro media 2.1 speakers but otherwise I think edifier is your best bet.

[night plume]

I did come across these but they look to me on the larger side of things https://www.amazon.com/dp/B016P9HJIA

[lean grove]

Not the largest speaker

About the size of a couple modest sized eggplants

[night plume]

5.7 x 7.7 x 9.2 in I assume its the 5.7 for width

As can be seen my current speakers are tightly squeezed in

and you can see why I had to downgrade from my 24" to a 15.6" secondary display

5.52"D x 6.7"W x 8.67"H are the current deminsions LOL

Main monitor is a 27"

[lean grove]

@night plume save up for the Adam d3v.

Theyre more than twice as good as the edifier.

Pretty damn linear, extend really low, much smaller

Even at higher prices you'd have a harder time finding better speakers that are that small.

[steel escarp]

@stuck bolt did you ever get around to using the microphone EQ that I made for you

[stuck bolt]

Not really, the vocalist i recorded on Sunday, it i basically used that airyness of the mic to get a sound

Think of pinkpanthress, thats kinda what we're shooting for

My phone doesn't do it justice tbh.

[warm scarab]

why not send the export then lmao

[broken grotto]

do i buy crinear

[stuck bolt]

I don't usually like sending my music all over the place.

Sharing a snippet of the song is fine, but there's a lot more in to be done with this album

[broken grotto]

is there not something akin to GitHub for music to share work in progress?

[stuck bolt]

Perhaps,.like bandlab, SoundCloud

[broken grotto]

that way you still get credit (I'd hope, anyway) and can share.

[stuck bolt]

Will share more in a few weeks or perhaps a month or so.

[broken grotto]

as much as some audiophiles hate music, i am not one of those ;P

[stuck bolt]

Plus I'm scoring a short film as well for film festival

[dull rover]

anyone have experience with these? https://www.amazon.ca/Sony-MDR7506-Professional-Diaphragm-Headphone/dp/B000AJIF4E?th=1

[lean grove]

is there a followup question you have about these headphones or do you just want to know if anyone's bought them

[terse river]

btw, i jsut wanted to thank you for reccomending me the sonic visions server, has been very helpful

[high widget]

So, about those planars i was eyeing up. I watched reviews that said at MSRP Hifiman Sundara Closed Back was a wet shart.The graph looks okay-ush though. And i've discovered i can buy them brand new for around $90, plus i'm willing to play with EQ. Do you guys think it's worth it?
Or maybe FT1 Pro would do better ($170)? T50RP ($120)?
Again, i mostly listen to electronic/heavily edited stuff, and wanted to try planars for the detail/lack of inertia they offer. Would be nice if i can avoid loosing as much of sub-100hz slam as possible compared to conventional closed backs (e.g. DT 770 Pro X)

[dull rover]

I asked does anyone have experience with these, I was waiting for a response.

How flat are they, and for closed backs how wide is the soundstage

I want some headphones which lean into studio headphones as I feel I'd like to listen to my music how the artists intended

[green marsh]

1. as the artist intended is bullshit
2. soundstage is irrelevant
3. theyre fine

[high widget]

4. there's no truly flat headphones or perfect replication, even proper professionals compare their mixes using several different pairs

[dull rover]

Is there a pair around the same price you guys would recommend over them?

[dull rover]

I am aware of that, but as a little more than an average listener I'm just looking for one solid pair of headphones

[green marsh]

just aquire an hd600

[lean grove]

i know a lot of people that hate the sundara. I personally thought they were fine when I demo'd them.
FT1 pro seems to be pretty well recieved.
dont buy the t50rp

[dull rover]

I'd rather closed back

[lean grove]

FIIO ft1 is the latest closed back hotness

not really tuned the same way as the MDR7506 though

they're more warm-tilted

[dull rover]

Those do look nice though are about double the price of the MDR7506, I'm fine with that as long as the price is worth it

[lean grove]

they're very popular and very well recieved

[dull rover]

Thanks man when I get home I'll look at some reviews

[high widget]

I exchanged mine yesterday for 99 Neos though
Like, i get that i'm comparing taxi to bicycle here, but FT1s 're rather underwhelming compared to 770s

[green marsh]

💀

[dull rover]

I've had my fun with bassy headphones now I'm just looking for some well balanced ones

[lean grove]

770s are more v shaped and the bass is tuned very differently

but yeah thats preference

[dull rover]

32 ohms is low enough to be driven by most things correct?

Sorry I'm new to audio stuff

[high widget]

To me it was more about upper mids being shouty, questionable ergonomics and the the mid-bass being kinda smeary
Maybe FT1s are good for more instrumental music, but with electronic they just flop

[lean grove]

i think its a you thing, not a genre thing

[high widget]

Two components to it: resistance and sensitivity. More resistance requires higher voltage, less sensitivity means the cans are more stubborn.
You can drive 50 ohm 100db cans out of a Macbook, while 32ohm 92db or 80 ohm 104db would require a small external amp/DAC (BTR15 dongle, for example)

[dull rover]

Okay that makes a little more sense, I do plan on getting a DAC

I also wanna get a dedicated DAP at some point

[lean grove]

dont worry about the impedance.
aside from a handful of headphones that you cant afford, most headphones can be driven by most things. and if you're using a particularly anemic or bad source, there are decent dongles for $20.

[high widget]

That said Macbooks have particularly good audio chips for a laptop, as it turns out.
Thinkpad X1 Yoga g6 can't properly drive anything aside from small earbuds, and even then the sound profile just sucks

[dull rover]

Okay, that diss seems a little unnecessary but I gotcha 😂

[dull rover]

I've noticed my MacBook does sound better than all my other devices

[lean grove]

you're looking at $100 headphones. if you were looking at $1000+ headphones then that would be a different story.

[broken grotto]

He's 100% right though

20k cans

Only way to enjoy music

[lean grove]

https://www.modhouseaudio.com/tungsten/tungsten
78 db/mW. 155 ohms.
quite possibly the most difficult to power headphones.

[high widget]

I mean, he could go out and buy 250 ohm 990s. That would require a desktop amp to get the output voltage high enough

[lean grove]

eh. depends on how loud you want.
when I have 250 ohm beyers I didn't have any issues with volume on anything I used them with but i dont listen that loud.

[dull rover]

Have you ever heard of being budget conscious? If I'm getting into something new I'm not gonna go all in lmao

[broken grotto]

That's not my style.

[lean grove]

never heard of her is she on tiktok???

[dull rover]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-shane-turning-the-walking-dead-rick-and-shane-gif-27330910

[broken grotto]

First mechanical keyboard was $400.

[high widget]

That's the thing, 70db shouldn't be the ceiling, it should be ≈50-65% volume in the worst case

[broken grotto]

Should have spent more

[high widget]

I'm not ashamed to admit i sometimes listen to music disgustingly loudly just because my emotional state demands it. And i think it should be an option, factored into the purchase of high impedance cans

[broken grotto]

With audio gear a lot you do get what you pay for until you don't

[lean grove]

this is the 250 ohm beyers. can reach 108db with a standard 2 volt source.

so. i think for most people thats reasonable.

like i said. I didnt have any issues with them no matter what I plugged them into.

[broken grotto]

96 db isn't too bad

[high widget]

Macbook can deliver 1.2 though

[broken grotto]

It'll be ok

[lean grove]

that drops us down to 103 db for peak, which is still quite usable

even if you have a particularly high dynamic range media of 20db, thats still plenty for moderate listening.

not gonna be blasting your ears out with hanz zimmer mountains but oh well.

[high widget]

There's just an absurd amount of variation in baseline mixing volume for music, especially if it's streaming services and lesser known artists

[lean grove]

im aware. and even in that case, i believe that there is enough headroom for most cases.

[high widget]

Sometimes theoretical 103 becomes 80 because somebody decided they want their recording this way

[lean grove]

i dont think you really understand how loud 103db really is.

or how loud 80db is

[green marsh]

nah 80db is whispers

[high widget]

Or i do understand that there're layers upon layers of factors affecting both factual output (software limitations and processing, audio drivers, non-linear output power conversion, etc.) and sibjective perception (noise floor and isolation, blood pressure, mood, etc.)

I firmly beileve there has to be enough headroom that the weak flesh would break before the hardware is maxed out, and protecting their hearing long-term is a personal responsibility of the user

[lean grove]

using this one simple trick can save people hundreds of dollars in avoiding buying things they dont need

by simply trying things out before committing money to something you may not need, people can circumvent the ballooning of budgets on things that might not be necessary

it is completely free to use the PC port on the front of your computer. it costs you nothing. and in the case where you aren't getting the volume you want, you will only have to bear with moderate to low listening levels for the few days you wait after ordering an amp

I made this simple flowchart for you

let me know if you have any questions

[humble willow]

Idk if i've asked this before but are there decent IEMs/wired earbuds for less than 100eur?

[verbal fog]

would it be evil to buy a 100+ wpc receiver or integerated amp to use on my headphones without any meters uh i have my 20wpc technics and my 60wpc HK is noticeably more powerful but i dont know if it makes me a lot more likely to blow up my headphones especially if i cant see how much (almost) power is going to them

when my technics gets maxxed out and clips uh the vu meters usually go past 0 or something like that so i assume thats its limit

[wheat moss]

Do you want to kill your headphones?

What even is this question

[primal stump]

guys how many of y'all actually tune ur headphones/speakers

[blissful portal]

Whats the best headphones for gaming under $200?

My piece of junk Razer headphones are falling apart but they are great for listening to footsteps in game

My other headphones are better for music but suck for listening for foot step

The SteelSeries Arctis Nova 7 are on sale but maybe someone knows of a better headphone for similar price

[warm scarab]

if you adjust the volume it should work

but full power will probably kill them

it will probably have a loud asf ground noise honestly so I don't think you'd find much use unless you make an attenuator box

[verbal fog]

ideally not but i know they can handle a 60wpc receivers worth of bass and that sound is noticeably less power restricted at extremes compared to the 20wpc

[green marsh]

If they're listening at full power they also would become deaf

[buoyant vale]

inb4 they are just using the headphone jack

[stuck bolt]

This makes.... huh??

[lone flame]

all on red seems to be legit

[strange walrus]

wanna buy some bookself speakers for music but dont wanna spend more then like $120, all i ask for is good base. im seeing alot of stuff on amazon that fit the bill but its all unamed stuff and the last name i got unamed speakers on amaozn they would only last a year before cracking then dying. and i dont trust amzon reviews alone for shit anymore, all this to say anyone know what brands i can look into that would fit this

For the record im not against getting some unnamed ones if they are good, i just want names so it makes researching a bit easier

[steel escarp]

you are not gonna get anything even remotely qualifying for "good bass" at that price point

best you can do is getting something that does not completely suck

Creatibe Pebble Plus is okay for the money

the Plus version has a small subwoofer that goes down to 50Hz, which isn't that low, but without it only goes down to 100Hz, so its definetely decent

and it costs like 50 bucks

[strange walrus]

I daily skullcandy crushers, my standard for good are probably lower then most people because my stranded is just i like it and doesn't sound like shit to me

[strange walrus]

I have a carpeted floor is that gonna be a problem for down firing?

[steel escarp]

maybe slightly

you could put the subwoofer on something like a book

[strange walrus]

Does Logitech still make " good enough" speakers

[steel escarp]

its probably still not gonna be as good

[strange walrus]

They got a z313