audio-tech

[warm scarab]

like blow my money on a piece of shit jdm from 1985

and spend a fortune getting it to function (sometimes)

[regal moat]

Rain in Hollow Knight sounded so good I took out the iem to check for a speaker.

[sleek lily]

It's even worse in Florida

I saw a truck a couple days ago that literally had a loud ASF subwoofer playing "idle engine noises"

Like a gas powered truck, but they wanted to make it louder I guess, but it was a static sound and clearly sounded like a speaker that was about clipping was playing it. You could clearly tell it wasn't his engine.

Guarantee you that truck never did any work ever too

Cause it was by Windermere and was raised to near shoulder height. You don't raise a truck that high if you plan to load the bed with more than groceries.

[green marsh]

nah wtf bro heard about the electric challenger and thought might as well do the same

[broken grotto]

noble audio iem's are tuned by a wizard.

that's fun

[verbal fog]

roblox car

[verbal fog]

so i tested my advents and alas a tweeter is dead but im gonna source a replacement

but man they sound great even for their size and their uh natural un-eqd sound is really nice and i recommend them a lot

advent graduates

[sharp bay]

Question: Could I even use my line out on my ASUS motherboard with a receiver like that and still get 5.1 audio?

[verbal fog]

whats your line out uh is it 3.5mm]

[sharp bay]

yes

with like a 3.5 to clinch or smt like that

[verbal fog]

thats 2 channel so if you get 5.1 itll be fake and generated by the receiver

but it could be a feature

3.5 to rca though would do good at uh making a connection

i think optical and hdmi may be fancier though but im unsure i dont mess with super modern stuff the most but you could probably check the manual

[sharp bay]

What even is the positive of having a 5.1 IO on my motherboard? Are there even receivers with that kind of input?

[verbal fog]

oh yeah that io format seems neat uh some receivers do have inputs for that but seemingly not yours

[sharp bay]

It was just an example, I am still looking for one. The picture is from (eBay) "Kleinanzeigen" (a daughter company of eBay that's very popular in Germany)

[verbal fog]

hmm neat fair enough, for audio stuff i prefer local over shipped stuff since you can get some great equipment for the cost of shipping not great equipment but if you have nothing locally, ebay is a fair option

[sharp bay]

"kleinanzeigen" is basically ebay but locally

mostly for like stuff that's 20km away, depending on how rare it is

more like Facebook Marketplace

[verbal fog]

oh ok perfect then that sounds like the move good luck

[sharp bay]

thanks!

Found an older Samsung home theatre surround system and looking forward to buying a receiver for them

So basically the only way for true surround when it doesnt have inputs like that is earc?

[warm scarab]

not with a line out

maybe with multiple

but no your avr doesnt seem to have individual inputs for channels

just connect an hdmi into it like it was intended

[sharp bay]

So are all the HDMI's eARC?

Cause i dont want to use HDMI for my monitor, cause my monitor doesn't support 165 Hz via HDMI

[warm scarab]

I don't know, your avr

but they are designed to work with hdmi

at least for surround

optical or coax may also work but im not knowledgeable about using those for surround and if there is anything extra to know about them

probably plug and play though

[left verge]

Alternative to 3D Printed Capra Audio Strap for Fiio FT1

I just ordered the Fiio FT1s on Ebay for $130 basically brand new, hoping it's a huge upgrade. While watching reviews, I saw that reviewers recommended getting this comfort strap from Capra, for "significantly" better comfort. However, for $40 (Shipping and tax) for something 3d printed, I thought I could maybe print one myself. However, I couldn't really find any that would work, besides the pro model. I want to know if thats even a thing, because it looks like it's not.

[broken grotto]

https://www.printables.com/model/1272068-fiio-ft1-pro-comfort-strap

???

idk if the FT1 pro and FT1 have the same "stuff" or not

but that's worth a print.

you'll need TPU tho.

also

https://www.printables.com/model/1370217-capra-straps/files

[left verge]

I saw this one, but its for the pro

[left verge]

And the fiio isn't in here

[broken grotto]

are you sure they're different dimensionally?

also just maybe message him; if he sells the FT1 one, why not just ask if he can post the model?

he posted the rest.

[lean grove]

3d printed isn't necessarily a sign of low quality. I'm pretty happy with the Capra strap I got for my 6xx's.

You're paying for the time and effort it took for the guy to design it.

Also you're supporting the homies.

[broken grotto]

yea, $40 is probably just the time it takes him to print, pack, and ship tbh

[lean grove]

We can ping him and ask

He's on the server

[left verge]

Idk

[left verge]

Ik ik
But $40 for me is a bit steep
And I have my own printer

[left verge]

On here?

[lean grove]

@agile moon is the fiio ft1 strap available to DIY print

[broken grotto]

i meant some other contact method but that works lmao

[agile moon]

Yes

It's the one called 7506

[agile moon]

^

[agile moon]

It's also funding R&D for all the free stuff I release. It's mighty expensive to design full headphones

[agile moon]

It's the same headband so either of these designs will work

[broken grotto]

you da homie

❤️

[agile moon]

[left verge]

I wondered why the 7506 was in the title
Thx

[agile moon]

Cause it fits multiple models

[left verge]

Understand

[warm scarab]

I can do it myself

because you did something doesn't mean it deserves the pricetag you put on it

wow 8$ of plastic huge!

where 32$

do you know how short of a time it takes to make an arch with holes in it on any cad program

[zenith pawn]

then do it

lower the market value yourself so people don't have to pay $40 anymore

[warm scarab]

I can

do you think this is something difficult

i dont even need to actually

https://makerworld.com/en/models/975917-fiio-ft1-headphone-comfort-strap#profileId-948742

its already a thing for free

[zenith pawn]

now you're getting it

[warm scarab]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/various/headband-for-dca-stealth-expanse

here is another one

https://www.printables.com/model/905734-variable-openmod-part-2-fully-open-source-diy-head

this is a full on 3d printed headphone, just print the belt part only

imagine being a dumbass you pay 40$ for some idiot's 4 minute work

audiophiles are such easy prey holy shit

[broken grotto]

I mean, the thing about that is that not everyone has space for a 3D printer.

and for some, the time spent is worth more than money spent

opposite for others.

[warm scarab]

it would cost less than 40$ to send an stl to a 3d printing firm and pay for shipping back and forth

[broken grotto]

I get your point, I also get why people buy stuff.

[warm scarab]

and it wont go to some dumbass who spend 4 mins on cad

decided to scam some people while at it

[broken grotto]

i am doubtful of this

[warm scarab]

I am not

costs are based on machine operation time

[broken grotto]

I had something printed with the crappiest settings possible because my printer wasn't big enough and it was $38, and it was just basic PLA.

[left verge]

I mean
You can get one made
Something like PCBWay

[wet elk]

Shipping isn't free

[warm scarab]

pick expensive 3d printing service
3d printing is expensive

wtf

[broken grotto]

PCBway is awesome but you're paying $30+ for shipping (I just ordered PCB's and they were that much to ship.)

[wet elk]

My $5-10 worth of pcbs cost twice as much to ship but is whatever can rant and rave all ya want

[broken grotto]

PCBway really nails you with shipping

[warm scarab]

idk why the goalpost became pcbway

this isnt the point

[broken grotto]

I believe they do all of their fabbing overseas, so they get really expensive quick shipping wise now

[wet elk]

Eh yeah I mean it's coming around the world to me too but just saying time costs money and dealing with returns etc when physical, for model files can be cheap or free and on whoever to deal with the print

[warm scarab]

40$ isnt cheap

surely its not expensive if you have a high paying job

[left verge]

It's a way to make one

[warm scarab]

but downloading an stl, forwarding it to a 3d printing company takes 3 minutes

[zenith pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/this-place-makes-no-sense-natalie-a-minecraft-movie-this-place-is-completely-illogical-emma-myers-gif-13209962073286839006

[warm scarab]

if your 3 minutes is worth more than 40$

I suppose so

I'd do it just to not pay the guy who wanted freebie 40$ for doing something everyone has already engineered

[broken grotto]

actually, wait, where did he get $40 from?

when I buy from Capra online it's free shipping

[left verge]

What company would you say to go to lol

[warm scarab]

whatever operates locally

or is closest to operating locally

[left verge]

With shipping and tax it was 40

[broken grotto]

get a quote, then, tell me how much it costs them to print. your goalpost is 24.99.

[warm scarab]

i mean fuck like an ender 3 second hand costs like 70$

[broken grotto]

you must be outside of the USA?

[warm scarab]

you could pay 30$ extra and make like 30 of these things

with a filament cost of like 10$

[left verge]

Nope

Coast of US

[wet elk]

Plus 100hrs and $100 to fix or get one for $200-300 that already works 😄 I feel like you're missing the time is money thing and shipping is not free, if you have a printer and cad skill yes this is silly to order if you don't then it's a different story

[left verge]

When I checked it was $40
And it wasn't that long ago
Maybe something changed

[warm scarab]

thats such a bad take

[wet elk]

Sure

[warm scarab]

"printer and cad skill"

cad skill is downloading a file from the internet

[broken grotto]

the more likely reason is people just not having space for a printer

[warm scarab]

and pressing print

[broken grotto]

yes yes, you will argue that that's also a bad take

[warm scarab]

what fucking component in an ender 3 costs 200$

or what 10 components cost 200$

idk buy a working one?

[broken grotto]

that works 90% of the time, but the 10% it doesn't is where it takes some knowledge to make it print lol

[warm scarab]

the 10% can go to fucking with the slicer

splicer

[zenith pawn]

splicer?! can it splice some cables for me

[broken grotto]

im not trying to call you a liar, I was just very confused

at $24, honestly that's not that bad of a price for something like that.

low volume, special thing, if you don't have space for a printer nor do you want to buy one, and just want turn-key, it's not that bad.

yes, you can do what Klaus said and use a 3d printing service. you'll end up waiting longer and spending more going with mainstream ones, unless you find some local small guy to do it for you.

[warm scarab]

sure for 24$ you could have some arguments

[left verge]

I have a qidi
But now I know which filament

[warm scarab]

tpu for flexible stuff

I should make some tpu elastomers for brakes

[broken grotto]

most of the local small guys with printers around me just download stuff from printables and sell it at craft fairs

which kinda makes me mad a little

but whatever, gotta respect the hustle.

[warm scarab]

yeah a lot of them around

if you have a printing shop at walking distance and a simple print that has a low failing chance

you could just pay like 5$ to the shop and the rest is just the material cost

[wet elk]

Yeah I mean people pay for convenience is what it is

Bad when like a museum gets robbed for some insane bag for a 3d print but random little utility crap or whatever isn't a big deal

[warm scarab]

chief

like I said

if your 5-10 minutes is worth more than 40$

okay sure

but 99% of the people I know dont fall into that category

I can download a file, google a printing shop, give them their money and the item will magically appear on your doorstep

[broken grotto]

and also hope they print it correctly

[warm scarab]

its a hard print to mess up honestly speaking

they dont use ender 3s in print shops, they got actual machines there

[broken grotto]

which happened to me when I ordered something from a printing service becasue the thing was too big for my printer.

[warm scarab]

and no one is going to be sending you goop they messed up

[broken grotto]

I ordered PLA, infill of 55% and they only printed it at 15%. almost seemed like they used the printer's default settings.

[warm scarab]

i dont think you can attribute being scammed to every printing service

[broken grotto]

it's a possibility, though.

[warm scarab]

especially on the subject of people selling 2$ plastic for 24$

[broken grotto]

that was a local printer place, too.

[warm scarab]

arson

[broken grotto]

people just suck man

[broken grotto]

nobody tell him profit margins on just about anything

[warm scarab]

I don't care

not responsible for your business or profit margins

[broken grotto]

i just bet you aren't as mad when it's larger companies lol

[warm scarab]

depends on if its something I can make or not

phones? nah

vr headsets? I could make it but they kind of suck so no on that as well

idk plenty of things out there that aren't just 2 layers of shit plastic

a good example would be simracing peripherals

the only thing I'd pay for in simracing is a vr headset and just maybe a shifter

rest I can make for 30$ worth of plastic and 20$ worth of electronics

[lean grove]

It's not 5-10 minutes of your time.

[warm scarab]

ordering it is

[lean grove]

Oh yeah. But building your own is gonna be like, maybe a few hours

[warm scarab]

I can do a speedrun of downloading an stl file, sending it to a 3d printing shop and getting a bill for it

[warm scarab]

building the what

[lean grove]

What if it doesn't fit

[warm scarab]

suspension band?

[lean grove]

Or the print is bad

[warm scarab]

its literally 1 piece lmao

build what of it

[warm scarab]

its from tpu

it stretches bro

[lean grove]

Like a million things that can go wrong with 3d printing.

[warm scarab]

yeah

not when you are printing a fucking

literal slab of plastic with 2 large holes on it

[broken grotto]

your printer can just decide it doesn't want to connect to your network and the software can't see it

there's 10 minutes of your time gone

[warm scarab]

trust me not many printers can fuck this up

[warm scarab]

kind of lol yeah true

can happen

[broken grotto]

your filament roll can be a dud and all tangled so the printer stops extruding 30 seconds after you look away

[warm scarab]

grab the poop

print again

easy

[broken grotto]

you could have the print bed not level so the nozzle smacks the print as it moves

spaghetti

[warm scarab]

i think you are describing ender 3 to me

[broken grotto]

ender3 moments

[warm scarab]

which is fair if that is what you have honestly speaking that thing is a piece of shit

[broken grotto]

worst printer of my life

[warm scarab]

yeah lol

99% of the issues in ender 3 are unique to the ender 3

yet people will still buy it

[broken grotto]

we had some of the very early ones for R&D and they didn't work more than they worked

[warm scarab]

imagine manual leveling in 2025 like jesus christ

[broken grotto]

i actually went down to the machine shop to just fold sheet steel to make an enclosure more than try to 3D print them

because it just took too long to print them

[warm scarab]

lmao

i presume it was back when you didnt have enclosure bags on amazon

[broken grotto]

often times the 3D printer ones were supposed to be the early renders the product designers did

that was the real benefit of using the printers

[warm scarab]

prototyping is like

a super good use of 3d printers

for any industry

[broken grotto]

ye

back in the earlier days of doing this a lot of the mechanical guys and product designers weren't very good at optimizing for printing

because that is a thing

we don't really take it as seriously as we used to, but it was a fairly big thing you'd run into

a print might fail because the person didn't realize that the printer can't print 90º overhangs

also, back then they were SOOO SLOOOWWWWW

[wet elk]

Yep if already have like a mk3 or better and prints flexibles like tpu well already and model is simple to find or create and already print friendly then printing one vs ordering by any means makes more sense, but there's a lot of caveats/conditionals there.

Don't get me wrong am fan of print it yourself when there's an option to or design it yourself if you'd know how but paying for something off the shelf isn't insane either or using services that will handle the mfg for you

I'm in the process of redesigning PCBs to be able to more easily make them at home too to avoid all the shipping, but this kind of thing isn't gonna be everyone's cup of tea

[warm scarab]

if you werent talking about a slab of plastic in this example id with you

but im not

[lean grove]

i think this is another classic klaus L

saying you should buy a $200 printer and fuck around with settings and filliment for hours so you can save $8 on a very affordable product

[left verge]

*$80

[left verge]

and plus you can use stock settings

And you save $10-15

[warm scarab]

no dude dont do this

you need to pay 40$

consume products

[warm scarab]

160$ new and anywhere from 50 to 100 used

[broken grotto]

printing it in TPU?

[broken grotto]

yeah, if you're just making one, not too big of a deal

but if you're making tens of thousands, the buy vs build becomes a real factor

[left verge]

Well, that's what Capra requires

[broken grotto]

I was just making sure

[left verge]

I'm looking for some 95A rn
I'll see if Sunlu has some (One I've been using primarily)

[broken grotto]

Does anyone have the hifiman ef400? Is on sale rn and I want a listening spot in another area

[lean grove]

Why that one specifically?

[broken grotto]

On sale and looks nice

It would match the cabinet.

Just not sure if hifiman makes good amps

[lean grove]

they're not really known for it

[broken grotto]

It is nice that it has all of the ports though, so that's neat.

3.5, 4.4, 6.35, XLR all on one unit is nice

[broken grotto]

I have a schiit midgard for my desk and every time I wanna listen to my noble audio knights I have to use a 4.4mm to XLR adapter lol

[broken grotto]

The schiit mimir with fork beard is cool though

Adds stuff like EQ

Not that i really use it

I mostly use it for being a remote lol

[dense dove]

Quick question since I'm not too knowledge in audio equipment, I have a Topping dx3 pro+ DAC that also has built in amp. I have set it to amp mode due to the headphones that I have being 250ohms and without it they are quite quiet.

Should these DAC/AMPs run hot to the touch?

It has even few times shut itself off what I assume is due to thermal protection

[mellow wing]

I’m thinking of buying the XM4s should I get somthing else or not buy them?

[drowsy rampart]

Hey! I'm finishing my audio setup and I need to decide how to connect my computer to my amp (technics xu-8055). The main issue is that for some reasons they are 10m (~30feet) appart.

My amp only have RCA inputs. Hence, I thought about using rca cables. However, I've read that over longer distances I am likely to get noise in my signal and an hearable hum

I could just buy a long cable and try it. However, I don't want to waste money if there is no way it's gonna work

My two alternatives are:

• toslink -> rca. Noise is not an issue then but I have to buy a DAC and I'm affraid that a cheap one will give my a bad sound. I would also need to get an audio card for my desktop to get toslink out and even if I get something nice, I will only be as good as the DAC allows it to be
• RCA -> XLR -> RCA but I'd need to convertors which does not sound cheap. However, noise wouldn't be an issue at all either

Any opinion? Is there an option I did not consider ?

[warm scarab]

just use the rca

[broken grotto]

10m is nothing.

Just buy a good shielded cable

Rca to xlr doesn't magically make it balanced anyway

You need a differential amplifier on both ends.

[cold spindle]

Don't use XLR to RCA cables.. just use a RCA cable. As XLR to RCA is bad and can damage equipment. It's a reason di boxes exist to connect RCA only devices to xlr imputs

Also don't put the RCA cable next to a power cable tho 10M on RCA isn't really that far

[drowsy rampart]

I thought there exist active solutions to get a balanced connection using xlr from rca

But since 10m seems to be fine for rca, I'll just get a nice shielded cable

[cold spindle]

That is a di box and that is for long long distances like 50+ meter runs

It's used in the pa industry a lot

[drowsy rampart]

thanks guys

[broken grotto]

I forget those exist

I remember them being pretty expensive though, so maybe that's why lol

Oh theyre not so bad

[green marsh]

for audiophile setups it quite doesnt matter

[cold spindle]

Tbh I see almost no use to use a di box for home use as yeah most people don't need supper long runs

[broken grotto]

But but but balanced > unbalanced

[drowsy rampart]

I think I overestimated how "long" 10m is when it comes to noise

[broken grotto]

At audio frequencies, 10m is still short

Because even taking the shortest wavelength, 10m is only 1/1500 of a wavelength.

Its hardly an antenna.

[cold spindle]

Like even guitar cables are often longer then 10m and they aren't balanced

Tho for mono cables coax is really good to use as it's so pure

[drowsy rampart]

funny thing, bass cords do catch noise; if you do not mute unused cords, you get lots of noise

[lost wigeon]

what are the options for real-time input processing in 2025 like?

[warm scarab]

define input processing

[broken grotto]

DSP?

I like dsp

[zenith pawn]

analog master race 🚀

[broken grotto]

analog is great! I've just spent like 15 years at this point doing DSP in different fields

so i know DSP pretty well lol

[unique wind]

i use equalizerapo for my headphones and obs for my microphone

[steel escarp]

just buy headphones that are tuned good, like fiio ft1 pro or hifiman edition xv

[unique wind]

XV doesnt have enough bass stock

it also has a scoop in the ear gain that i dont like

[steel escarp]

@unique wind

its still pretty solid

[unique wind]

yeah it seems like a fine base for eq

depends on how audible those squiggles in the midrange are though

[steel escarp]

if only I didn't have a huge head, this headphone would be comfortable

[verbal fog]

i got a pair of minimus 7s

theyre pretty neat :3

[green steeple]

Idk if this is the right channel but what replacement earcups would y'all recommend for sennheiser hd280 pros? The default ones are buns

(Ping with recommendations)

[lost wigeon]

obs is good for recording or streaming but i like the processing to extend to other apps like discord or game chat. i used to use voicemeeter and/or mini host modular but the input delay was too much to even hold a conversation

[lost wigeon]

i do too but all the budget interfaces with DSP seem to cut some corners and are limited with their effects. i've been considering pulling the trigger an a UA apollo interface but i'm pretty sure i'd also have to shell out more money on their plugins to get the most out of it daily. I remember go xlrs being a thing but I've heard they're basically EOL nowadays

[high widget]

How stupid is the idea of using DT 770 Pro Xs wirelessly through a dongle (mostly outside)?

[unique wind]

yeah i use OBS to do realtime processing that extends to everything

it requires the use of virtual cable

[broken grotto]

about as stupid as eating mac and cheese with a spoon. Why would that be stupid?

[warm scarab]

because i think for the cost of a qudelix you could probably buy a pair of wireless headphones that sound better than the dt770

iems definitely

[true solar]

Hi all, I need a small help, Idk what did I just do in the realtk audio console, now no sound is coming from my speaker

help me please

[broken grotto]

i dunno, you're right but the dt770 will probs outlast wireless headphones

[broken grotto]

didya change the input?

output, rather

sometimes windows is complete poopoo when it comes to naming conventions with stuff. my headphone amp comes up as "speaker" lol

well, dac/amp stack thing

[lone flame]

ALOT of people use cable headphones on a DAP or Dongle 😄

its like. the most normal Audiophile behaviour

[gloomy marten]

yo yall got recommendations for a good budget microphone my budget is 100 sar max i can go is 150 sar which is like 40 usd

[elder thistle]

where are the ones with massive stage and glossed over treble details

[verbal fog]

they definitely wont ever have battery issues

every design probably has its own issues though

and hairs getting into the driver is evil but fixable but on my bastard mezes with a very open grill, every maybe 2-4 months i have to meticulously go in with a tool and pick out like the 4-10 hairs that get in the driver and make the bass buzz a tiny bit

and then mechanisms can break and cables can rip or get yanked or bent and earpads wear out too

[broken grotto]

earpads and cables are super easily fixed.

[verbal fog]

mmhm the only thing thatll really cook you is mechanisms breaking but even then sometimes you can cope but it depends on the headphone all them are different

curse of my meze mechanism being a little broken but they stay together still so ive been fine with it but theyve seen a bit of abuse but man they make up for everything in sound and comfort

[verbal fog]

these two together make a crazy good pairing uh its not great for headphones but its otherwise fire i think :3

[lone flame]

EQ them

[broken grotto]

Meze's are fully user servicable, no?

[warm scarab]

most things are

but people would rather spend another 200$ than replace a bolt

[verbal fog]

i think so yes

[verbal fog]

sourcing parts is hard sometimes

[warm scarab]

it isnt

[broken grotto]

sometimes replacements just aren't easily replaceable, or are destructive disassembly

[verbal fog]

also for my mezes though the earcup is loose and able to rotate more than usual and its also slightly popped out and i tightened a screw which helped the slightest bit but theyre still off but its fine because they still fit fine and they sound fine

[broken grotto]

I hate designing stuff like that, but sometimes it's just that way.

[warm scarab]

its difficult if you are an incompetent with 0 flexibility

[verbal fog]

it depends where the flexibility is

[warm scarab]

the amount of people like the frieren pfp guy that trashed ft1s because of a missing bolt lmfao

[broken grotto]

with that being said, have you ever soldered QFN packages?

[verbal fog]

missing bolt is quite a thing ive interchanged a lot of screws in my life

[warm scarab]

measure bolt

buy bolt

[verbal fog]

cant be as bad as wanting to find something that barely exists

[verbal fog]

keep spares too

[warm scarab]

like?

[broken grotto]

i mean if they scratch off the chip part number, good luck finding it lmao

[warm scarab]

i dont know what that is

dont buy the same part

[verbal fog]

hmm i needed a tweeter for my advents and lo and behold there is one for sale on the internet but i got it

[broken grotto]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_no-leads_package

[warm scarab]

buy something that kind of fits

[verbal fog]

sometimes though its 0 for sale and sometimes the part costs more than the item in working shape

[warm scarab]

give an example

[verbal fog]

my evil uh infinity sm100s

[zenith pawn]

I bought a good hot air machine just to not end up needing it

[warm scarab]

their what

[verbal fog]

i paid 40 for them and some stands and refoamed them for like another 20 then i blew a woofer and a new one was 70 so i decided they were dead enough to me

[warm scarab]

destroying parts and drivers is one thing

[zenith pawn]

but if you're not gonna spend $300 then good luck doing a decent job replacing qfp

[warm scarab]

driver replacement sure

[broken grotto]

hot air is good but you run the risk of heating up other components

[zenith pawn]

what else are you gonna use

[broken grotto]

sometimes those packages are so small you pretty much need to reflow the whole board.

[warm scarab]

but name another thing thats not a driver to replace

which is 90% of the returns

[verbal fog]

i tried hot air once it was beautiful i was able to shake all the components off the board

[zenith pawn]

Shouldn't smaller be easier to do without heating other stuff

[warm scarab]

dont move them lol

[zenith pawn]

me with the airflow set to 100 cfm

[broken grotto]

no lol, the smaller the component + board the bigger the risk is.

[zenith pawn]

smaller component but same size board I mean

[broken grotto]

even then, there's likely to be supporting SMD components on the board

[verbal fog]

probably some potentiometers and stuff but uh replacement parts are a market and there isnt always stuff that you need

[broken grotto]

those will heat up way fast compared to the IC package

[zenith pawn]

idk what you're trying to say exactly

[warm scarab]

this is cope

[verbal fog]

i was imagining that looking at my evil quadraphonic receiver it has a 4 way potentiometer but

parts can be a pain to find

[zenith pawn]

you use a hot plate and relfow the entire board instead of turning down airflow?

[warm scarab]

replace it with another 4 way on both speakers

problem fixed

[broken grotto]

yes

[warm scarab]

its that easy

[broken grotto]

that's the way you would normally do it

[zenith pawn]

for manufacturing, sure, but certainly not for aftermarket repair

[broken grotto]

hot air rework is fine for larger components

you

[warm scarab]

we will hot air you

[broken grotto]

aren't soldering something much smaller than a RAM chip with hot air, at least not normally.

[warm scarab]

start running

[broken grotto]

it's the audio subreddit, most of it is hot air

[warm scarab]

lmao

[broken grotto]

not saying you couldn't do rework on smaller IC's with hot air

it's just much riskier

[zenith pawn]

most of it is through hole

[warm scarab]

remember that dj guy who was shocked speakers sound so much better when they weren't pointed 180 degrees away from him

[broken grotto]

they do make reflow ovens for aftermarket repair

in some cases you want to rework, since melting all of the solder and letting it cool again can fix cold solder joints, loose connections, etc

[zenith pawn]

people don't use them except for really huge things though, in my experience

[broken grotto]

idk how much soldering you've done

but if you look in KiCad

say you take this random audio IC

that footprint reads as follows:

• Body is 7mmx7mm
• pin pitch is 0.5mm
• there re 44 pins
• exposed thermal pad is 4.7mmx4.7mm in the center

pretty heckin small

for reference, a typical grain of rice is 7mm long.

[zenith pawn]

7mm is pretty large when it comes to ICs

[broken grotto]

yes, but 7mm is pretty difficult to solder by hand

[zenith pawn]

but you'd use hot air, not an iron

[broken grotto]

still by hand

[zenith pawn]

you just put solder paste on it and heat it

that's large enough to still be fine

You don't have to go and individually place the solder on each pin

[broken grotto]

not worried about the chip itself, it's what's around it

[zenith pawn]

if you're blowing parts around it by then the airflow is too high and you can turn it down

[broken grotto]

hey, go buy some scrap boards on Ebay and go nuts

it's a good skill to learn

[zenith pawn]

I have lol

[broken grotto]

just not something an average person can do right away.

[zenith pawn]

surface tension of solder holds components in place

I don't really understand what the argument is though

[broken grotto]

not sure there really is, just saying that hot air is one technique used but isn't always the best fit for every case.

just like any other tool.

which I think is a fair statement

you can sort of think of it like a mechanic not torquing the oil drain bolt.

you should grab the torque wrench.

but they don't.

hot air is like that, when you should use the reflow oven to be exactly sure it'll work, you use the hot air because it's faster.

[sleek lily]

I try to avoid hot air tbh

It's got a lot more headroom to mess things up

I only use it as a last resort tbh

[carmine drum]

Hey guys, any recommendations for decent headphones? My wired ones crapped out on me so I'm in the market for a new pair. The things I'm looking for is that it can be wired (3.5mm jack), the audio doesn't necessarily bleed out of the muffs, has pretty good audio quality, is comfortable for work shifts so roughly 6-8 hours, and won't wear out in the span of 6 months or, if it does, there's muffs I can get to replace them. What are some good suggestions?

I use them mainly for sim racing with music, and answering work calls. I have a dedicated microphone so that's not something I worry about

[sleek lily]

Amp arrives today but I'm gonna be at school all day 😭

Thanks usps

For not delivering the day I had off when you were supposed to

[lone flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okIpbu1tp_A

[lone flame]

how much you wanna spend?

[carmine drum]

Not sure honestly, the features are more important to the cost, but that doesn't mean cost isn't as important

[lone flame]

FiiO FT1 😄

a little DAC would be nice cool

like an Apple Donge

[lone flame]

are you from USA?

[carmine drum]

I live there yes

[lone flame]

so yeah. FiiO FT1 + Apple 3.5mm to USB-C

you have very little sound bleed, awesome sound 😄

and nice comfort too

IF!!! it's uncomfy

you could get an Capra Strap

[next anvil]

Hi I currently have the sanyun sw208 speakers, I was wondering if anyone knew a good subwoofer to go with them?

[lean grove]

What's your budget

[next anvil]

For a subwoofer anywhere between £50 to maybe £250

[lean grove]

£250 subwoofer for £70 speakers

RSL speed woofer 10e is the best value for subwoofers, but idk how much it's gonna be for you in the UK

And maybe out of your budget

Honestly I would recommend you spend that money on better speakers because the subwoofer is gonna represent like 70% of your spending but only doing 10% of the sound.

[lean grove]

See what you can find from monoprice that fits in your budget.

[next anvil]

What about the klipsch r-40m

[left verge]

@agile moon Hey its me again. I'm about to buy some 95A filament (From Sunlu) and I completely forgot that you have a specific filament preset on there
Is it fine if I just use the Generic TPU option? Just making sure it wouldn't cause any issues
Using orcaslicer

[lean grove]

What about them

[next anvil]

for new speakers

[lean grove]

Are these for a desk or a living room

[next anvil]

desk

[lean grove]

Bad

[sharp bay]

Do I need a 9.1.2 / 9.2.2 setup for my workstation? (My Boss, the one who decides if i get it, is reading the responses)

[lean grove]

What kind of work are you doing

[sharp bay]

No jk but for the ones who own one, is it just a cool party trick or actually good, cause for me i lile never see stuff thats actually in 9.1.2 not even 5.1

Accounting

[lean grove]

If you're never actually going to be using surround sound or Atmos content, then it's gonna be a massive waste of money.

You're better off spending that budget on a 2.1 setup.

[sharp bay]

But for private?

Like gaming, movies and music?

(At home)

[lean grove]

Surround sound is a big commitment. You need to get specific hardware and set up the speakers properly for even coverage and acoustics.

And if you go for a conservative budget of $1000 for the entire setup, you will wind up with a bunch of mediocre speakers coming together to make an immersive experience that you might be able to properly enjoy 30% of the time when you find something that can actually utilize it.

[warm scarab]

surround for gaming makes sense, for movies it makes sense, for music it makes zero sense

and like nils said

surround is really expensive to implement in any capacity better than 2.1

[lean grove]

And for that 9.1.2 setup, you have 11 total speakers. 8 of which will be doing pretty much nothing most of the time. And that's where most of your budget is going to be going. To all the speakers that aren't doing much.

[warm scarab]

you can get a decent 2.1 set for 300-400$

[agile moon]

prolly fine sure

[warm scarab]

for 9.1.2 that is dividing the money across those speakers how much

[lean grove]

Alternatively, if you spend that $1000 on a 2.1 setup, you will have 2 speakers that are doing almost all the work that you're pouring most of your budget into

If money was no object and you have a good room to put it in and the time to dial it in, yeah maybe get the 9.1.2

[left verge]

Thx for the clarification

[buoyant vale]

RSL basically nonexistent over here

Might be able to grab some used SVS at that kinda price though

[lean ravine]

Hello everyone
Recently I had an old bluetooth adapter(Because my motherboard doesn't have Bluetooth), it was some random Chinese brand that I got rid of today cause it stopped working. I went to buy a new adapter and bought one called "UGREEN CM748" Bluetooth adapter, I know about UGREEN and how good their company is

But I am having a problem, every time I put my headphones back in the case, use them again the audio shifts from normal to what feels like Handsfree mode
Its not exactly like handsfree, but it is like 70% there. The audio sounds very weird and in the old adapter I didn't have such a problem, and the only time the issue gets fixed is if I take my headphones out, unplug then replug the adapter and then reconnect my headphones. If I put my headphones back in the case and use them again the same problem happens
Any help would be greatly appreciated!

[glad creek]

5.2 is a better idea if you do watch movies, else stick to 2.2

Movies and gaming yeah

Except if you have an absurdly high budget

[next anvil]

do anyone know anything about mics?

[glad creek]

Just ask

[next anvil]

well i’m looking for an xlr microphone, i’ve been recommended 3 mics what should i get or is there something better for about the same price? the rode podmic (not to be confused with the rode podmic usb) fifine tank 3 and the moano pd300x

[lone flame]

If you want a cheap mic. Idk a Fifine usb mic should work

Placement of mics are the most important thing anyways

[shell moat]

Can anyone recommend a Bluetooth or wifi speaker with good/great sound quality, preferably no proprietary app (sonos for example is useless for my needs), and plays nicely with Android and particularly AIMP?

I am looking for a speaker for my bedroom that I can use to play music from my phone. Could also work with some sort of bluetooth/wifi DAC with rca out that I could plug through my receiver, now that I think of it. (but I think the speaker is still probably the better option)

[green marsh]

wtfrick

[agile moon]

Don't @ me in public servers ash

[green marsh]

😈

[lean ravine]

can someone help me here please?

[frosty ocean]

Any designer of a PC Desktop speaker with a headphone jack on the back of the unit will be the first to be executed if America falls into lawlessness

TODO: Make a headphone extension that I can open a switch and prevent the headphone jack from detecting it as a load

[next anvil]

going to get the rode podmic it’s £77

[steel escarp]

@lean grove im running out of desk space

holy this is awesome

[high drift]

I'm searching for new headphones because mine don't sound as I would want (had some old HyperX Cloud; don't care if closed-back or open) that will have a strong bass, a good music listening experience, and also be good for gaming. My budget is $150, will be used at home; I'm from the Middle East if it matters.
Don't need noise-cancelling headphones but if they are anc I wouldn't mind.

[lone flame]

Podmic is kinda a trashy mic

[lone flame]

you already got a mic?

[high drift]

yeah no need in headphones

[lone flame]

what?

you want a headphone now or not

[green marsh]

brother he said he doesnt need a mic in headphones

[high drift]

I dont need a mic in my headphones

[lone flame]

ah sorry misread that

[lone flame]

For PC right?

[high drift]

yea

[lone flame]

FiiO FT1 aviable?

[high drift]

abit over budget

[lone flame]

aviability in middle east is a bit difficulty iirc

[high drift]

yeah

I found something for abit over the budget on eBay so if there is no other options you recommend then I will take it probably

[elder thistle]

I dont like the ft1 for most competitive games since it isnt that reliable with directions of sound

[high drift]

then what do you recommend?

[lone flame]

dont listen to him.
What he tells has nothing to do with a headphone

What he says is a Psychoacoustic effect called "HRTF"

[elder thistle]

I also just don't like the ft1's sound, I'm mostly listening to electronic and rock music, but this is preferential and depends on the music too

[high drift]

[lone flame]

but as it already says. its a Psychoacoustical effect. so your brain

for me FT1 works in games perfectly fine

and they sound awesome in like every genre 😄

[elder thistle]

it's not worthless for direction of sounds, just not that reliable

[lone flame]

Bro. Can you read
"Direction of sounds" has nothing todo with a headphones

its HRTF

[elder thistle]

overcoverage/diffusion over the pinna probably

resulting timing shenanigans, maybe weird interactions with the helix but we really don't know

not my point

[high drift]

either way the FT1 is a bit overbudget so I would appreciate other headphones recommendations

[lone flame]

you say that FT1 are bad with "soundlocalization" But that has nothing to do with a headphone

[lone flame]

Do you have acess to aliexpress?

[high drift]

yeah

[elder thistle]

seeking headphone advice is highly subjective and conditionally behaving advice

[high drift]

should I search for ft1 there?

[elder thistle]

things like eexact game names, music genres, and priorities of what you hear within these things is very important to tell someone

[lone flame]

giving advice depending on specific music or games is imo pure shit

because it is preference

if you like THAT Sound signature in THAT genre. doesnt mean he will like it too

so its generally better to recomment Gear that has a geneerally nice baseline

like FT1 for closed back

[high drift]

well i play Valorant sometimes, Minecraft and basically that's it, music genre is hip-hop / rap a lot of 808's and I prioritize bass..

[lone flame]

you can EQ a good stock FR to something you like
But it is hard to fix shit tuning

[lean grove]

You should replace all that with a fosi ds1

[lone flame]

FiiO FT1 would be perfect then
Because they have PLENTY of Bass

[elder thistle]

that said, my experience with $150ish closed backs availabile in the middle east is going to be limited

[steel escarp]

Lol that is not gonna power Susvara

[lean grove]

It's game engine.

[steel escarp]

220mW

[lone flame]

that too

[lean grove]

Just listen more quietly

[steel escarp]

Very quietly

[lone flame]

get the Topping A900

[steel escarp]

Lmao, I am never getting a topping

[lone flame]

https://de.aliexpress.com/item/1005008652907009.html

[steel escarp]

Maybe a topping A90D paired with tubes is the play ngl.

[lone flame]

how expensive would that be for you?

[high drift]

that would be in the budget

[lone flame]

no buildin DSP

[lone flame]

even with shipping etc?

[high drift]

yes

how do I make sure they are real and not chinese knock off ?

[steel escarp]

My Chord Mojo 2 has EQ

[lone flame]

Shop looks legit

[elder thistle]

the m50x is probably available, that was my favorite headphone for valorant at the time. because at least for me it was great with the direction of sounds, and great at hearing sounds overlapping or hiding behind other sounds. but there's a large amount of variation between how people experience the m50x

[lone flame]

ah sorry the A900 (amp) has no EQ

the D900 has xD

M50x is widely hated for its bad comfort

and sound too

[steel escarp]

Still not getting a Topping

Only chifi I get is holo audio and hifiman

[lone flame]

lofiman

[high drift]

so that's what I should go with?

[lone flame]

imo yes. it has tons of bass. imo comfy and has pretty good passive sound isolation 😄

[steel escarp]

Better than low-fi sennheiser

[elder thistle]

the headphone I would choose personally for bass is probably the shure srh840a, though I can't say that with much certainty since I only have the 440A and there are slight differences. the reason I would use it at least for music is because the bass can show texture and is also tight and powerful. this lets it sound more complex with things like bass guitars and bass synths, but more quick and less rumbly in something like metal music where the bass starts and stops really fast

[lone flame]

HD800s are wayb etter build

[elder thistle]

the m50x has texture but it's loose, rumbly bass that will blur kickdrums together in metal. also the earpads are thin like yakucho said, and it's a problem fora good chunk of but not all people

[lone flame]

srh840 v-shape af. bright and bad bass

[elder thistle]

the ft1 doesn't have much texture but is tight

[steel escarp]

HD800s is not better build than HE1000 Unveiled

[lone flame]

🤨

funny take

HD800s is probably the best build Headphone on the market but okay

[steel escarp]

Its machined out of solid aluminum

[lone flame]

it has so extremly strict QC

[steel escarp]

HD800s is plastic cringe

[lone flame]

metal does not equal to good build

Plastic is a nice material

[elder thistle]

apologies for the double ping but the chat is moving faster than I can type. aside from my personal tastes and the more widespread sound issues* with the ft1 like I was describing, I believe valorant would be one of the better-handled games for the ft1. a big part being how the distance of sounds is shown in val, which is mostly done without changing the volume of the footsteps. this avoids some of the ft1's weaknesses there

[lone flame]

widespread??? where Most people like FT1 lol

[lone flame]

bro

you seem to be ignoring stuff i say.
FT1 has no "issues" with Soundstage or sound localization

[elder thistle]

I don't know what the return policies are over there for various stores, but it's pretty hard to return stuff on aliexpress. just keep that in mind

[lone flame]

"Ft1's weaknesses" dafuq you talking about

the only weakness can be. some weird peaks in treble or to much bass in some points

but EQ can fix that easly

[elder thistle]

I don't agree. my sister and a few people I've recommended them to or helped with along the way had similar observations

people are usually just bad at describing them or haven't tried other headphones

[lone flame]

weird. Like 60-70 people i know that have FT1 say otherwise

and also. EQ can solve most of these "issues"

and again, like i said. It has nothing todo with a headphone

[elder thistle]

you don't ask about the microdetail and such, so I don't expect you to have the same kind of data. that's fine

[lone flame]

there is no "microdetail"

[elder thistle]

yes case in point

[lone flame]

there is no general definition of "microdetail"

[steel escarp]

FT1 is shit

It has a huge 4k dip

[lone flame]

gosh i get kinda mad when i hear these kind of Reddit terms

[steel escarp]

Literally nothing sounds defined

[lone flame]

on your headm aybe

[elder thistle]

the biggest thing in the way of fair reviews and advice of the ft1 is the relentless and unconditional hype it was built on via measurement-philes

[lone flame]

not on mine

[steel escarp]

That is the issue. Its a closed back dynamic with small earpads. So its gonna vary a ton per head...

[lean grove]

arguing with grey

[lone flame]

ye

[elder thistle]

when people buy the headphones based on that very limited and undirected kind of advice, the customers don't have a lot they can add

[lone flame]

above 3K measurements don't really matter anyways because of the amount of variation

[lean grove]

The customers don't have a lot they can add if they buy headphones based on incredibly niche incommunicable terms that they have no idea if it's important for them.

[steel escarp]

I am not being unreasonable or trolling. I am genuinely giving honest feedback based on personal experiences and empirical evidence.

[lean grove]

That's why it's not worthwhile to argue with you. You're just too smart! I can't keep up!

[elder thistle]

so for cases like the ft1 it's important to skew the kind of weighting on subjective opinions, where providing no details in an opinion is not treated the same as saying everything's maximum or something

[steel escarp]

[lone flame]

ok Subjective shit to the side

FT1 is the best measuring Headphone in that price range (closed back) on multiple rigs across

[elder thistle]

the customers will often try to talk about techs when the recommendations they accepted were discussing techs. but it's unreliable and skewed

[lone flame]

Target are DF Tilted

[steel escarp]

Yeah, its decent measuring for the price. But any IEM is gonna measure 10x better for the price.

[lone flame]

most likely they try to understand you even tho you don't understand wtf u talkingabout

[elder thistle]

with tonality driven advice, the customers are more likely to talk about tone instead

[lone flame]

if you say stuff like "microdetail" a term with no general definition

people can understand that completly different

[elder thistle]

loud bass has no widely accepted definition either

[lone flame]

If you can't explain it in a way that a 5-year-old can understand, then you don't understand it yourself.

[elder thistle]

nor do I actually hear the ft1 as having much bass personally

[lone flame]

Seal issues

[elder thistle]

micro can be explained, it's just difficult

[lone flame]

youre you drive Skullcandy crusher daily

[elder thistle]

and again not reliable without context and really good interpretation from the other person

[lone flame]

everyone has a different definition

so the term is worthless

Recomennding stuff based on dafuq you experience is

Try to explain a blind person how red looks like

he said his criteria. FT1 fits them pretty perfect

[elder thistle]

you are allowed to try and give advice that way, I just don't agree with it and have many reasons I believe it'll lead to more harm than good

and I know the same can be said about my advice

that's just how this works

anyways I don't think its a seal issue with the ft1 for me

[lone flame]

like i said.
My recommendations are based on Objective Data and mostly out of INTERSUBJECTIVE OPINION

Intersubjective means "Opinion of most people"

[elder thistle]

there is a very large notch around 70hz which recovers and leads to crazy extension afterwards

yes so are mine

[lean grove]

A one-size fits most broad recommendation is just better for most people. It's easier. It's more consistent. We've been over this.

[lone flame]

"crazy notch" he's talking about

[lone flame]

sometimes i think he is a Robot or so.
No matter what you say. he comes back some days and tells the same shit

[elder thistle]

I would do this if it worked more consistently

[lean grove]

You picking stuff on your own experience only is accurate for anyone that happens to have the same tastes as you. Which if the rest of the discord audio community is anything to go off of, is a very small amount of people.

[lone flame]

and I try to recomennt of the general opinion about stuff

like 7506 are not shit.
But most people hate the comfort

[elder thistle]

I agree

[lone flame]

and going by "General opinion" is worth way more than your personal one

its like Apple haters hate apple because they dont like them

i hate apple too.
But some products are just awesome
❤️

[elder thistle]

the finalization of me trying to help someone pick a headphone based on techs is a dangerous step if in that exact case I have to lean on my own preferences

which is why gauging what most people enjoy about what headphone for what music is an important substitute to have

[lone flame]

but your own preference is the least relevant stuff on earth...

You don't recomment based on YOUR liking

if it comes to "experience" you go for Intersubjective stuff

like movies

if most people say a movie is shit
it is probably shit

[elder thistle]

I don't buy headphones to see what I enjoy and then recommend it

[lone flame]

and if a movie is generally liked
the chances are high that you like it too

[elder thistle]

I buy them to help contextualize what other people have observed about them

[lone flame]

like i said.
Your or my opinion are so useless in recommendations

because

1. We hear completly different
2. our Preference is completly different
3. Most people don't really know what they like or not

[elder thistle]

it's the same thing you and most reviewers are trying to do. intersubjective opinions/consensus

[lone flame]

because Intersubjective Data is valid

that's how the Harman Targets where made lol

and guess what. ALOT of people like Harman 2018

[lone flame]

or now Harman 5128 Tiled with Harman filters

[lone flame]

[elder thistle]

outside of this realm of preference, there are also more objective goals

[lone flame]

the goal of a headphone is to sound like speakers

that's atleast what the industry is looking for

what some random consumer brand do?

[elder thistle]

this is where observing what a headphone does as 1 person is more useful (but still contains uncertainty)

[lone flame]

[elder thistle]

techs accomplish explicit goals. keeping track of a hi hat as it gets clouded by other instruments in metal? that's instrument separation. wanting to better judge the angle of a sound in a game? that's imaging precision

[lone flame]

bro thinks his opinion is more correct than an average of houndrets

nah im done for today

[elder thistle]

never said anything like that

[lone flame]

arguing with you is like punching a concrete wall
iot only hurts my

"this is where observing what a headphone does as 1 person is more useful"

in other words.
it's more useful to look what a headphone does on a single person's head

and that person seems to be you if i look from the following conversation

[elder thistle]

techs I observe do not supercede techs the people generally observe

I'm just saying that techs are a function of a headphone to do work

[lone flame]

Your observation tends to have errors

if you say stuff like "microdetail"

[broken grotto]

so why do you buy headphones?

I buy headphones to listen to all kinds of music in fun ways.

[elder thistle]

errors in translation between people, sure

[lone flame]

just look at measurements..

[elder thistle]

next message down

[lone flame]

we have 711, Gras and B&K

that are technically "people"

some people even measure headphones with in ear mics

(even tho it's also not 100% accurate)

[elder thistle]

it's cool, but it doesn't show a lot of the functional differences between a 400se and an r50x

[broken grotto]

This is kind of a silly take, because you're just regurgitating information.

[elder thistle]

two insanely different headphones

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/wes-slyxh-hot-dog-hungry-food-gif-24475002

[broken grotto]

some of the most useful information is what you think about something.

[lone flame]

fr. i think i make one now. i lost so much energy in that convo that i have to regain some

[broken grotto]

we hear differently, and by sourcing opinions from multiple people, you can make people better informed.

[elder thistle]

wait why doesn't this contradict with your next message

[lone flame]

That's what i try to explain to him for like uhh over an year?

[elder thistle]

I'm lost

[broken grotto]

just regurgitating the same BS you heard by some youtuber is pointless, just direct that person to youtube without buying it yourself.

[broken grotto]

because what I said is that the most useful information when purchasing something is what someone who is not the buyer thinks of it.

YOUR opinion. not someone else's.

"I like the Meze Classic 99's because they're comfortable," is way more valuable than "Someone on reddit said they're bass cannons lmao"

[lean grove]

@broken grotto
The context around this conversation is that we're talking about headphone recommendations.

Myself, yakucho, and many others recommend "safe picks" to new people because we think a one size fits most will fit most. And if it doesn't work out, then it provides a great reference to say what you like and dislike and move forward with better recommendations.

Jackson's philosophy is trying to find the best possible headphone for a specific person by asking them a lot of questions and using those questions to assume what the person wants.

[lone flame]

If you wanna buy something where you dont know whats good. Here a Tutorial.

1. Learn to google. There is alot of BS in the Internet. So learning to identify BS and Valid Data is key
2. Find the correct source. don't stick to one. Maybe search for 5-10 different websites etc.
3. If you Search something up. Ask neutral and not "Why is this headphone good" Google tends to throw shit out and answers the question blindly. Try to be neutral like "Is the (Headphone) a good one. What are the flaws? What's good about it?
4. After you searched for idk how long. Make your own mind.

[broken grotto]

I noticed that. I also noticed that most of his recommendations and contradictions are just regurgitated 💩 which makes me so mad lol

[lone flame]

YEAH! AHAHAHA same

im generally a calm person. bit there are now 2 persons i know (one in Internet one IRL) that can make me mad af lol

[lean grove]

Well you're wrong about the second part.

Everything Jackson says is 100% his own opinion. He is actually pretty unique in his recommendations to the point where you can tell who's been talking to him based on what headphones they ask about.

[lone flame]

MC 450 peak. SRH440 Peak

[lean grove]

As far as I can tell, he really does spend a lot of time listening to his collection and experimenting and coming up with his own conclusions

[lone flame]

that's fine for me. i also do that 😄
But i know that my experience just doesn't matter for others

[broken grotto]

maybe it's just when I see.

[prisma ridge]

I work in electronics retail and in my experience is your first headphone is never the perfect one. It's because you dont know what you need. I always tell the customers the difference between on ear and over ear and my work is done. No brands not comfort, I always tell them the return policy is there for you. I haven't seen customers returning the headphones back. It's their first time and their expectations are not set, most of the people switch from earphones and that's a different thing

[lean grove]

I've known Jackson for a while so I'm pretty confident in this.

I know what a regurgitated opinion looks like and it doesn't look like Jackson

[broken grotto]

Maybe it's his wording, then.

[lean grove]

Unless there's some second super Jackson pulling the strings

[broken grotto]

lmao

I just don't bother recommending.

[lone flame]

BIOOC

what he is not on the DC anymore?

[lean grove]

Who cares?

[lone flame]

noone tbh

[broken grotto]

he's still here.

I do admit that english is my.. technically third language, i guess, so I might not be the best at reading context lmao sometimes when i translate what he's saying into another language it comes off as netizen vibes

maybe that's just the translator idk

[lone flame]

ah i wrote his name wrongly

[broken grotto]

I was gonna say, be brave at @ him

[lone flame]

same

im always somewhat brave. I don't insult one
But i have an open opinion

idc if he reads it or not :>

[broken grotto]

establish dominance. tag him so he has to read it.

I mean, for poop and laugher, one of my favorite IEM's I bought years ago now (it was actually my first pair, too) was the SeeAudio Yume (the original, not crin one.)

I actually really like those.

so much so I bought like two more to put in travel bags and stuff so I could keep one pair at my desk and another to carry with mi

iir I watched a few reviews, most people had good things to say and that's generally why I purchased.

my first pair of like, "good" headphones were the HD600

which i totes didn't have an amp for

and rocked without one for awhile until I built my new pc and put that Creative Soundblaster AE-9 in it.

[elder thistle]

in some sense it's both

ultimately I want to create the most consistent picture of what a headphone does, barring the fact that describing that consistent picture inherently creates inconsistency

[broken grotto]

I think if i were to give you one piece of advice, I would almost write your recommendations as an executive summary of sorts. Say what, why, how. I wouldn't try to split it into multiple discord lines since that gets hard to read.

esp since, let's have some fun; just give me an example;

I want a pair of headphones.

but no, really, I actually do want to buy a pair.

[lone flame]

@sleek lily

sry but Lin wanted me to ping you about that

[elder thistle]

I experience a headphone 1 way. I put preference aside unless I'm obviously saying something preferrential. I look at what I observe, then use that to interpret what other people seem to have observed. this doesn't exactly end up describing the headphone most of the time. a few common outcomes are:

1. people experience example headphone mostly the same way I experience them. there are usually slight differences in techs, but this isn't always possible to judge if there aren't a lot of other reviews. these often guide me on how much I should emphasize or supress certain techs or other things in the sound that stood out to me or didn't stand out

2. I learn how these headphones are used, how successfully they were used, and general ideas on preferences surrounding them

3. trying a completely different headphone allows me to look at comparisons other people made to that and a headphone I was originally trying, getting a clearer picture of people's experiences and increasing the base of experiences I can look at. this is currently the most common reason I buy headphones.

4. patterns in terms of what people prefer for certain kinds of music, common modes that people experience sound differences between headphones (this defines techs and what's considered a tech), and what makes headphones useful for certain non-preferential tasks are all concepts made clearer and are kind of distilled out of combing through thousands of other people's experiences with a headphone, and establish generally applicable rules

[lone flame]

https://tenor.com/view/schmidt-novel-text-message-text-message-gif-3544541

[elder thistle]

I merely did what I was asked

mostly

[lean grove]

https://tenor.com/view/fry-about-it-cry-about-it-cry-about-it-meme-cry-about-it-meme-gif-fry-gif-25394529

[lone flame]

nothing wron with that amount of text
just like to make jokes about big messages in general

[broken grotto]

there's a place for them

if you're trying to explain something, it's best to do as much as possible at once to get the point across instead of split messages

[lone flame]

ik ik. i dont mind bible amount of text

just like to joke about that 😄

[elder thistle]

I'm not used to the messages becoming this split, at least not here

I also whacked out the nerve in my right arm so I can't type as fast

[left verge]

Been testing it
It's insanely comfortable
Sounds so good I don't even think i need an EQ

[lone flame]

yeah

FT1 are stupidly awesome

came out of nowhere and blew up the market

also the first 4 batches where sold out within days or 1-2 weeks and wheren't aviable for like 2-3 months xD

[broken grotto]

you really do love the FT1, lol

[left verge]

I wear glasses, so I was worried about the comfort
It's the most comfortable headphone I've felt

[left verge]

I meean
It is really good

[broken grotto]

they're good headphones

[left verge]

I'll see what difference that comfort strap does
But its more than fine without one

[left verge]

For $130 brand new its a good deal for me

[broken grotto]

it's a good price

[steel escarp]

FT1 comfort was eh, fine for 130, but nothing crazy

[livid ruin]

Glued it back

[lone flame]

Ofc. My favorite closed back ever. 🙂 and there is no other yet that is better imo xD

[lone flame]

"for 130" bro thinks price has something to do with Comfort

Like Look at Focal. Most people hate the headband design

[steel escarp]

for 130 you accept compromises

[lone flame]

RTX 5090 in flames

For 2K you accept compromises

Comfort is subjective af

[steel escarp]

why would anyone accept their 5090 catching on fire?

[lone flame]

For me it was fine.
Got an Hotspot on my head

[lone flame]

Why would anyone accept a headphone being uncomfy?

Atleast you can make it comfy with Capra strap

And that fir 20-30 bucks

[steel escarp]

the earpads were the issue for me

[lone flame]

Imo they are better than Hifiman earpads xD

[steel escarp]

fiio designs stuff for the Chinese market first, they make them too small

[steel escarp]

he400se pads even had more space

[lone flame]

The are round 🗿

FT1 are oval

Your ears are just to fat

That's all
Happens sometimes

[steel escarp]

nah I am just not chinese

[lone flame]

I'm like 95% German or so. Atleast my family is for like 200 years xD.

I have no issues 😄

[broken grotto]

Wild ppl still say this

[steel escarp]

the ft3 earpads were so small

ft1 was an improvement, but still touches your ears in an uncomfortable way

[broken grotto]

Get a different head

[steel escarp]

Egg shaped Hifimans is the answer

[next anvil]

How so?

[lone flame]

Tuning

[next anvil]

What would you recommend for a similar price range?

[lone flame]

Boomy Bass. Weird mids. Dumb treble

[lone flame]

Fifine AM8 or so

Podmic would still work. I personally hate the sound of it.

[next anvil]

The other mic I was looking at was the fifine tank 3, I’ll be using xlr

[lone flame]

Se v7

[next anvil]

It sounds good once you have a pop filter on

[lone flame]

Or sm57

[next anvil]

I’ll be using a mic for recording my voice for things such as voice acting for my animations, voice overs, but I’ll also be using it for speech to text, gaming and streaming

@lone flame

[steel escarp]

sadly not everyone has money for a warm audio wa-47jr :(

[lone flame]

Or TLM 103 🙁

It sounds so good with a tube Compressor

[next anvil]

And I would like a dynamic microphone to block out background noise

[lone flame]

Yeah. Dynamics don't do that

[next anvil]

I thought they did as they only take in sound on one part of the mic and only focuses on the voice

[lone flame]

For that. Use a noise gate

[next anvil]

Oh ok is that software?

[lone flame]

Doesn't filter stuff. But only let's stuff through if it hits a threshold

Ye

But now I have to go to work again. So bye xD

[next anvil]

Ok

So what mic should I get? The fifine tank 3 or røde podmic unless someone else has a better recommendation? For the same price range of about £100

[broken grotto]

you're using XLR with a decent audio interface, right?

[next anvil]

Topping pro e2x2

[broken grotto]

googles

[next anvil]

?

[broken grotto]

I haven't heard of it

[next anvil]

lol

[broken grotto]

so i google

[green marsh]

its a topping thats all you need to know

[broken grotto]

is topping regarded as bad?

or good?

[next anvil]

Good

[green marsh]

its just topping

[broken grotto]

I only have schiit

: D

[green marsh]

chase sinad over all else

[broken grotto]

they don't make a mic interface but it was funny to say

[green marsh]

subjectivists say they sound dead

[green marsh]

objectivists love them

[green marsh]

im sure we can count the gaming dacs

[broken grotto]

does the bigger one do XLR?

[next anvil]

So back to what microphone I should get?

[green marsh]

no it doesnt

[broken grotto]

sorry, I have a lot of knowledge about "systems" so im trying to do my research before just telling you something.

might i know what two you're stuck on?

[green marsh]

have you considered the shure sm58

[broken grotto]

good mic

[next anvil]

Fifine tank 3 and the rode podmic (not the rode podmic usb)

People assume I mean the usb counterpart

[broken grotto]

so, maybe it's worth mentioning that your recording scenario plays a big role too. So something like an AKG P120 is great, (at least imo) but the rest of the chain needs to be good too.

[next anvil]

?

[broken grotto]

your room

your recording scenario

I was going to suggest the AKG P120 because I like that mic. But i wanted to say that your recording environment is important.

[next anvil]

My bedroom

[broken grotto]

otherwise, just buy the tank 3 because it barely matters if the recording booth is bad.

[next anvil]

It’s just my bedroom

There’s no echo in hear and it’s very quiet the only sound in here is my light timer for my vivarium

[green marsh]

tbh if your not trying to do any content creation the mic you use doesnt matter

[broken grotto]

in systems engineering we have a saying

[broken grotto]

CICO.

put in nicer terms, garbage in garbage out. the room plays a big role, and even if you "think," the booth is good; it's not.

that's why real recording studios use sound damping material

[next anvil]

I will be, I’ll be doing animation where I’ll record my voice for the characters in the animation or making sound effects etc so voice acting , or do voice overs, I’ll also be streaming

[green marsh]

aight

[broken grotto]

the tank 3 is nice because it'll somewhat keep the noise and room tone out of the recordings, being dynamic.

[next anvil]

Ok, someone said that it wasn’t worth getting if I’ll be using it for xlr so I got confused then I was recommended the rode podmic

So that’s what I was going to get until someone said that the rode podmic isn’t that good

So I should get the tank 3 then?

[green marsh]

personally id get sm57

the classic

[broken grotto]

I kinda second this

it's been around for like what, 60 years?

I remember using those for a proof of concept like 10 years ago

[next anvil]

Personally I don’t think that style of mic would fit in my setup

[broken grotto]

you don't like the look ):

[green marsh]

bruh

[next anvil]

Yh

I like mics that are in the style of the shure sm7b, rode podmic, fifine tank 3, moano x300 etc

[broken grotto]

i get it, vibes are important.

[next anvil]

Yh

[green marsh]

lame

[next anvil]

Like I don’t want a mic that looks like a singing mic 🎤

Like that emoji

[broken grotto]

little bit of a silly thing to say when asking for recommendations, though.

[next anvil]

True but I’ve been planning this setup for a while now

[green marsh]

get whatever you want then

[broken grotto]

then you are at a crossroad

you need to pick, do you want best mic for money, or do you want vibes

you can't have both.

[green marsh]

pretty sure they already picked vibes with the blatant dismissal of the sm58

[broken grotto]

I'm always reminded of this picture

while it doesn't explicitly map to this recommendation, it can be easily changed to just about any decision making process provide you define things sensibly.

[next anvil]

Why 😭

[broken grotto]

vibes create compromises.

if the particular thing you want, (the best mic for your application,) isn't available to your taste in vibe factor, then you cannot have the best particular thing.

thus you shall compromise.

so tank 3 it shall be

[next anvil]

Well I do like the sound of both the rode podmic and fifine tank 3 as I’ve listened to comparisons a bunch

[broken grotto]

are your creations for you, or for others?

[green marsh]

but comparisons dont matter if its not your own voice

[next anvil]

For me, university and possibly for others but mostly for university and me

[green marsh]

one mic may sound great for one type of voice but like shit for others

[next anvil]

That’s how my voice sounds your hearing through an iPhone 16 plus

[next anvil]

Idk if this helps @green marsh and @broken grotto

???

[sleek lily]

Why'd you ping me for that?

[terse river]

quick fix: ebay

[lone flame]

Lin wanted me to ping you about that

[steel escarp]

cute amplifier

[zenith pawn]

This is how you separate an audiophile from a human

[elder thistle]

or maybe a reviewer/advisor in audio but yes

not buying to see what they enjoy would be alarmingly self-conscious for an audiophile

[broken grotto]

You have expensive things for a uni student

[sleek lily]

Work a job while being a full time student

Took me some time to get on my feet actually. Got kicked out when I turned 18 so I had to focus on getting to a point where I could be independent before focusing on school.

If it wasn't for that I'd probably be graduated already

Family basically kicked me out and took a good chunk of what I already owned

But now I'm at a point where I'm basically getting paid to go to college, and working part time I can cover all my expenses and then some

Usually get really good deals too

[broken grotto]

you have time to work while being a student? not enough classwork .